Caesarius and Aspringius Refuting the Claims of Pretribbers // THE RAPTURE & ENDURANCE OF THE SAINTS

[@glass4him]

I’m SO THANKFUL for your excellent study!! I attend a pre trib church and most of the churches in my area are. Your studies help me to validate the truth in God’s word to others! God bless you and your family, Joel!!

[@michellebehr7669]

They've avoided speaking with you because pre-trib is all about avoiding.

[@serifen888]

🏃‍♂💨

[@beethankfull]

Let's love one another...we are all on a learning journey

[@michellebehr7669]

@@beethankfull Love is always based on the truth. Love isn't a catch phrase to dodge ccountability or ignore valid concerns of wresting Scriptures. The brother that refuses to speak to another brother is using narcissist gaslighting techniques.

[@jamietownsend3677]

Amen. The amount of anger & hostility I’ve received from Pretrib “Christians” when discussing the topic is telling. They get emotional cuz their beliefs are built on the sands of fear & deception.

[@preciadocr1ss]

That is because they don’t even understand their own doctrine, they have to do a lot of gymnastics to try to understand it…. I found easy just to think in the resurrection as a reference, because resurrection is an event that is together with the rapture, there is only two resurrections one at Jesus coming for his believers, and the other one at the end of the millennium, rapture and resurrection is just one and only event , which happens after the tribulation like the Bible declares!

[@teresatorres2230]

Thank you once again Joel, you along with Dr. Brown are about the two I listen to who teaches Truth along with Voddie Bauchman

[@smithsmithington]

I needed to hear "He will get us to the finish line." today. That hit me hard. Thank you Joel.

[@debbiewareing1178]

Thank you Joel…you are doing a great job, fairly, honestly and scripturally. Let’s pray more eyes will see through these deceptions. God bless and Maranatha

[@decay-154]

Great work . Someone needs to read all the pretrib rubbish being published and you are clear and precise in pointing out pretrib lies

[@HappyHolyHealthyLife]

Thank you! 🙏

[@roberthoskins9247]

Thank you ...God bless this Channel there is no pre .. anyone who practices this is being lead away from the Truth. Thank you Joel for everyone you get through to.. again Father God bless this man and this Channe...l Well done

[@eswn1816]

I agree with you, Joel. Pre-trib rapture theology is dangerous in a few regards: 1) False sense of security 2) Disappointment when not fulfilled... Apostasy? 3) Ignores the Biblical teaching of the purpose of suffering. 4) Echo chamber: Many web sites only allow pretribbers. Example: Prophesy Watchers (They have some good stuff, but everyone on it are limited to this view. This includes individual Joel named.)

[@guilbran78]

point #2 worries and saddens me the most

[@houseontherock8345]

I hate confrontation to the fullest, but I’ve grown to recognize the need for it. Thank you Joel for doing what I have not had the guts to do. Growing in it lol

[@arliegage1380]

Just make sure you are saved so no matter it's PRE, MID, POST, WE WIN!!🎉

[@squirreljones3595]

Only the saints that overcome the Mark of the beast get raptured at the First Resurrection Christians that die before the Mark of the beast wake up at judgment day John 6 39-54 Jesus says at the Last day four times There's no more days after the day Jesus calls the Last day It's all there in Revelation 20

[@handles617]

​@squirreljones3595 grow up and stop

[@Mithrandir7777]

Actually, the whole point is not to win but to lose... EVERYTHING. Including your life. Victory over the Beast comes at a great price, especially for the elect through martyrdom or extreme tribulation in remote areas (persecution, hunger, heat, cold, thirst etc) and "Winning" should not be the driving force behind your desire for salvation. If Satan somehow "won" in the end, would you still be on Christ's side?

[@handles617]

@@Mithrandir7777 yep to win we must first lose The one who hates his life in this world will keep it to life eternal

[@jaredvikse2096]

Nicely done

[@LastDaysDetective]

Yet another sober reminder that it is crucial to check sources. Thank you, Joel, for being a true Berean!

[@CJ77711]

Luke 21:34-36 “ 34 But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly. 35 For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”🔥

[@JoelRichardson]

Amen. Pray we are able to escape with our faith intact and do not apostatize.

[@serifen888]

@@JoelRichardson Yes, but, what are "all these things" from which we must be found worthy to escape?

[@handles617]

​@@serifen888it says it right in verse 34

[@serifen888]

@@handles617 Okay, but how much of the tribulation is included in "that day"? Meaning, how much of "that day" are we called to escape?

[@JoelRichardson]

@@serifen888 All of the things that Jesus listed which together form "the great test." This is why Jesus told us to pray "that you may have strength to escape" (36). One does not need strength to be raptured. One simply must be saved. One needs strength to endure the tests.This is also why Jesus had just said in verse 19, “By your endurance you will gain your lives." Funny enough, pretribbers quote this and apply it to themselves, but they do not realize that pretrib also says that Luke 21 is not for us, but only for the Jews. Either way, it's not a good support for pretrib at all. Just the opposite, in fact.

[@Docjam23]

seems like more evidence for belief in pre-wrath prior to Rosenthal rather than Pretrib prior to Darby

[@JoelRichardson]

Thats actually very true.

[@Yeshua964]

I Pray and Hope that HIS Will be done, not by anyone claiming that they know it's PreTrib, Mid Trib or Post Trib. His Will Be Done

[@Marias_place]

So hard to keep up with all the content you put out now. I've lost track

[@humblewatchman1673]

Great teaching! Watching from KCK! Still waiting on the rest of the Revelation series, as there’s very little in terms of trustworthy resources regarding the millennium.

[@loisschurek4515]

Love your honesty Joel, it is refreshing in this world we now live. I have enjoyed all your books, however, I have a question. At about the 15 min mark you state Arles in saying that the rapture cannot happen before the coming of Yahusha, which occurs before the 1000 yrs. I totally agree. Here is my dilemma. If Yahusha comes to earth leading the procession to Zion, which i also agree with, and this is before the millennium, then how can Rev 20:9 occur, where fire come down from heaven? The dragon is bound before the 1000 yrs and is released after the 1000 yrs. We know the beast being bound in Rev 20 is not the Rev 13 beast and false prophet because they have already received a partial judgement, Rev 19:20, and in Rev 20:10 we see the judgement all three beasts. So where is Yahusha when he brings fire down on the dragon? In fact where is he when dragon is loosed for a short period of time? The passage in Rev 20 moves swiftly into the final judgement. There seems to be some missing parts in this account of the end time. The wrath of Yah must occur before the final judgement. Also the rapture of the saints must also occur before the judgement. Neither of these events seems to happen before the 1000 yrs, so can you help me connect scripture to where the wrath of Yah and the rapture of the living and the dead saints are placed in relationship to the millennium? Thank you. And if you have a teaching on this just send me the link. If not maybe Yah will lead you to do a teaching on how these events connect. There is much wrong teaching because scripture is sometimes incorrectly connected. Blessings!😊

[@handles617]

That would be a topic for debate between premillenialism and amillenialism

[@Ldgreggbell]

Beja is southern Portugal.

[@The_CrackedPot_Christian]

Yes, confrontation is difficult, especially with people you arent personally well aquatinted with i.e. your interactions with pretrib proponents. Galatians 2 speaks of Paul confronting Peter, and brought it all back to Jesus. This is key: we need to see Jesus in every discussion and every theological aspect. Personally I'm trying to speak, in love, to a lady at church in my friend circle who thinks debating or saying shes wrong or believing error in pre trib is me not listening or proud to think im right. I keep showing her the scriptures, she keeps pointing me to lee brainerd and Jan Markell and saying it's good and the proof for pretrib beliefs are throughout church history. Its difficult to get past the frustration.

[@michaelj.spencer5276]

When an honest but deceived man is confronted with the truth, he either becomes a more knowledgeable man or stays deceived.

[@JoelRichardson]

I misquoted it. Its a great quote.

[@stephengolden6974]

People who support pretrib view need to encourage these pretrib teachers to stand up to these postrib guys or call them out as not being sincere or truthful.

[@paulanthony7780]

😂 funny I'll be going to a Jesus festival this weekend (7-21_23) and I'm sure I'll hear lot of people excited about the pre tribulation taking away rapture

[@lisabrown335]

I believe you do very well to be as un critical as possible and not argumentative I am sorry they blocked you

[@destinycoach5]

Is there ANY benefit to these PRE notices? I personally find them more of a hindrance than ahead up. My feed is now full of notifications of WHAT IS COMING but there is nothing to listen to TODAY. Then I miss when it does come out and next time I'm on line all I see are more coming attractions. Yes I press notify me but always miss them. So these pre notices are just becoming a major nusiance and my inbox is nothing but a week's worth of coming attractions.

[@Docjam23]

though Caesarius sounds mostly amillennial

[@AnnieO100]

My comment was deleted.

[@jcims8033]

Repost it👍

[@danielb.1567]

does this channel believe there is a great chance that Christ returns by 2030? as the viral video Messiah 2030 points out? If we subtract 7 years from that it brings us to 2023. We should have our answer as to whether or not there's a pretrib rapture or not.

[@randyman1739]

Only thing that could happen in 2023 is the start of the great tribulation and revealing of the Anti-Christ...resurrection n rapture roughly 7 years after that.

[@JoelRichardson]

If there is not treaty signed this year with an agreement to rebuild the temple then no, Jesus cannot return by 2030.

[@koalabear19]

I have a suspicion the great tribulation will start either between now and 2027, or in 2030. Need to keep a close watch

[@JoelRichardson]

@@koalabear19 Very well could. The video spoken of has Jesus actually returning in 2030. Again, if no peace deal, or covenant of some form does not happen this year, then he cannot return in 2030.

[@onejohn2.26]

Once you see a nass UFO landing we will know that the tribulation is about to begin

[@ChiliMcFly1]

Doesn’t the rapture take place at the end of the millennial reign ?

[@handles617]

That is what ammilenialism believes

[@benny-yj7pq]

No, the Rapture and the resurrection of the NT Saints are together at His 2.coming, that is the end of the Great tribulation 1000 years before the last resurrection, that is at the end of the Millennium (Rev 20:6).

[@ChiliMcFly1]

@@benny-yj7pq maybe ? Have to wait and see.

[@donhaddix3770]

again quoting catholic.

[@suzan2336]

Pretrib leads them into the arms of Satan, comes at the 6 trump 6th seal 6 vial Christ 777

[@chrislucastheprotestantview]

You should reach out to Donny at Standing For Truth Ministries @StandingForTruthMinistries he is always looking for people interested in debating and may be able to find someone to pair you up with. There is a pretty serious seninary student who debates on there, Charles of Layman Seminary, and i pretty sure he is a dispensationalist and he would probably debate and take it serious and put in alot of effort.