Faithful, at What Cost? - Pokemon Brilliant Diamond & Shining Pearl Vs The Originals

[@JPRPokeTrainer98]

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[@alexkumaratunga2834]

If I had to guess why the remakes turned out the way they are, its probably because Legends of Arceus might be the real Sinnoh remake, or reimagining if you would call it, while BDSP might've been just a temporary game for Pokemon fans to lag onto before that game comes out. I don't know. Even though I like this game, It is underwhelming that they didn't do that much to make it stand out, in terms of other remakes. Sinnoh is my favorite region, but even I knew as a kid that Platinum and DP were a lot different from one another. I honestly thought the remakes were going to be like ORAS, possibly better since Sinnoh has more lore and interesting concepts than Hoenn. Plus, Platinum's content surpasses Emerald a bit, so it would've made the games more fun than ORAS. But I guess Hoenn fans are the true winners at the end of the day, which is not a bad thing btw (I liked ORAS too).

[@calebopossum5023]

ORAS felt like it had better updates and content, but BDSP is decent, but I really think I should have added a few things to make it feel updated.

[@alexkumaratunga2834]

@@calebopossum5023 Especially since its Sinnoh.

[@calebopossum5023]

@@alexkumaratunga2834 Also ORAS also updated that there were 6 regions now, adding the new Pokémon discovered to the Dex. BDSP makes it still feel like there's only 4 but with Gen 8 graphics, Music, and a few add-ons, yet can't transfer Gen 8 pokemon to the game.

[@ndbringer96]

I don't want to take on the post game after the sheer amount of boredom I felt during the main game. Geodude that have the ability Sturdy and also know Self-Destruct are cheap as hell. And so many trainers use them.

[@HolyCow0273]

BDSP: The best way to play diamond and pearl. Platinum: Best way to play Sinnoh.

[@PeruvianPotato]

Not really saying much when Diamond and Pearl are arguably the very worst Pokemon games

[@minicle426]

@@PeruvianPotato From what I gather that seems to be a toss up between XY and SW/SH.

[@AlphaladZXA]

@@minicle426 yeah for different reasons, swsh just kinda lack compelling content and pissed everyone off pre release and with 30$ dlc and XY are just kinda boring and WAY too easy for their own good. DP are just kinda bad across the board which makes me wonder WHY NOT REMAKE PLATINUM WHICH FIXED THOSE THINGS??

[@PeruvianPotato]

@@minicle426 At least X/Y was arguably the best game for newcomers as they could experiment with around 400 different Pokemon to use in their teams as well as being actually playable, albeit *really* easy games while SW/SH had the DLC to make up for most of its faults. D/P had the undeniably worst regional dex, VERY slow gameplay, a weak story and just a generally incomplete and rather soulless game. The only reason why is Sinnoh even liked is because of Platinum which fixed SO MUCH that it actually made the region itself significantly better.

[@Cute___E]

@@minicle426 I'd give it to Sword and Shield. X and Y at least clearly had a ton of effort put into them, and, y'know, actually HAVE all the pokemon in them.

[@BrightofNight]

For me it goes like this. These are the definitive way to play diamond and pearl, but platinum is the definitive way to play Gen4. Platinum beats these games handily

[@sockosophie3132]

try out renegade platinum (a fan hack of platinum), that is all the good platinum has, but better :D The League is at Level 70 and all gym leader have full teams of diverse pokemon^^

[@Vuden13]

Ong

[@Vuden13]

@@sockosophie3132 its a hack

[@dayvonlouis5187]

No doubt

[@depressedkermit5337]

Yeah I agree. I would go back to platnium but probably not these games.

[@WilliamKogoi]

I think the version exclusive games is becoming so outdated. Unless they’re going to be drastically different they could have easily just done a single Platinum remake.

[@PeruvianPotato]

1 word why they still keep it up: *money*

[@mr.preston1632]

@@PeruvianPotato Another one: Nostalgia

[@skullerclawerbandicoot7966]

@@PeruvianPotato Another one: To connect with people

[@WilliamKogoi]

@@PeruvianPotato yes I know and it’s annoying

[@AlphaladZXA]

It just feels like another thing that's becoming outdated just like quite a few things with pokemon now, let's hope legends is actually not a trainwreck

[@ZeonZenes]

Am I the only one that hates how completely pointless secret bases feel now? I get the statues and helping spawn rates but the shiny hunting aspect of the statues was debunked so all the statues do is help with controling how unhinged the spawns are in the hideaways. All the fun of decorating your secret base i.e like in ORAS or the original DPPt is gone and I really hate that.

[@JPRPokeTrainer98]

I fully agree with this, statues are neat for farming specific Pokemon but I don't see why they can't coexist with furniture

[@Astromontana]

No 100% agree. I haven't bought the game (I'm not interested in BDSP, saving my money for Legends), but from the gameplay I've seen secret bases look so darn bland. I loved secret bases in the gen 3 games because of the different environments you can build one in (tree, cave, etc.) and the furniture. In BDSP they all just look like bland brown caves with the only difference being the statues inside. What's the point of even bringing them back? Just make the statue mechanic a tool option or something.

[@bradevit2446]

DP Secret Bases already felt like a downgrade for me when it comes to room variety (bushes, caves, trees), interaction with furniture and the trainer/base creator that you could battle. Now it's only an empty statue showroom with nobody inside. Maybe they'll release more content down the road and later re-release physical copies with DLC on it, but I wouldn't get my hopes up since BDSP are not games that introduced Gen 8.

[@skullerclawerbandicoot7966]

@@Astromontana Funny cuz ORAS made em even better

[@afarensis9720]

It's strange how they emphasise connecting with other trainers in the Underground, but Secret Bases have 0 purpose in that now. The traps are gone, the capture the flag minigame is gone, and the furniture and decorations are gone. There's literally nothing fun about bases anymore

[@coleycow_]

Another thing I don't get is why they didn't add eviolite? Like who was like: "Oh yeah I am really glad I couldn't use eviolite in my DPP playthroughs?" Aside from competitive use, it allows you to use your favorite pre-evolved Pokemon and feel good about doing so.

[@robertlupa8273]

It would certainly help those Pokemon that can't fully evolve before post-game, like Gligar.

[@YuseiTheSynchroHero]

This is basically where I _SAY THE LINE_ *ahem*... _Pokémon Brilliant Diamond & Pokémon Shining Pearl are faithful remakes of the 2007 (2006 for Japan) games Pokémon Diamond and Pokémon Pearl released for the Nintendo DS_ On Discord, every time such a questionable decision for BDSP comes up in discussion, I say _the line_ .So yeah, outside of stuff like the Bottle Caps and stuff for like IVs and stuff... Gen 5 and later items aren't allowed to exist in these games and I think that's BAD. So no Heavy-Duty Boots amongst others from SwSh either. Like there HAS to be a point where being "faithful" is NOT A GOOD THING.

[@skullerclawerbandicoot7966]

@@YuseiTheSynchroHero And no Weakness Policy Or Ring Target Or Assault Vest Blunder Policy Eject Pack 🙅🏻 Nope, none of that. And it gets on my nerves when ppl blame GF for a game they didnt even work on, cuz its like "Bruh, they made ORAS have the Unova and Kalos items, theres no way they wouldve AT LEAST put those into bdsp", this is why I wished GF worked on em cuz they truly would've been special like ORAS and HGSS (mainly ORAS tbh)

[@yarc9]

@@skullerclawerbandicoot7966 they also added hidden abilities

[@RedxDJCashpal]

making me wanna bring back action replay or something and hack the items into the games lmao

[@jbcatz5]

For how faithful FRLG were in the main game, it still introduced the Sevii Islands as a postgame. You can’t get further with new material than brand new areas with Pokémon that didn’t exist when the originals came out.

[@yarc9]

You cant get crobat and kingdra up unless it post game in this game you can get crobat too yearly

[@yarc9]

In bdsp you can find any pokemon and evovle them

[@ezulon97]

@@yarc9 thank you

[@roxasbaker]

@@yarc9 crobat was in the original dp tho

[@ZachaRicO]

And apparently people griped about the Sevii Islands for being needless filler you have to go through before catching Mewtwo. Those people are eating their words now, and they taste AWFUL.

[@nobuffer101]

I just can't believe Nintendo managed to find a way to make the remakes simultaneously better AND worse than the original.

[@robertlupa8273]

Schrodinger's remake

[@PeruvianPotato]

Well Nintendo already has a record of.making rushed and mediocre games.on the Switch so this isn't really new.

[@AlphaladZXA]

Nintendo didn't make these, they just let TPC and gamefreak do their own thing most times which is something I wish would change

[@jaretco6423]

It's Game Freak. Not Nintendo.

[@benjaminschroeder5465]

@@jaretco6423 ILCA, actually

[@algunmas7329]

Hoenn Remakes: Too much Water Sinnoh Remakes: Too much Faithfulness

[@DrawciaGleam02]

Oh no! XD

[@lorenzomabalos9851]

Unova remakes: Too much Blackness and Whiteness Kalos Remakes: Too much F R A N C E Alola remakes: Too much ALIENS Galar remakes: ....

[@VeggehGaming]

Something I've not seen anyone else complain about is the quirkiness between the player character and the world. The game world is basically the same one from the originals, designed on a grid for four-directional grid-based movement. The player character is not and can roam completely freely. And within 5 minutes of booting the game up and trying to run between trees on Route 201 is that the collision boxes of the world are still square, even on more rounded terrain features. You're constantly running into odd collision walls when being off-grid, even in the Grand Underground caves. The closest you can get is to use the Switch's rather bad D-Pad which still doesn't keep you perfectly on grid. It feels like they should have made a choice to keep us on the grid if they didn't want to do an ORAS-style re-design of Sinnoh. It would have been a dated style of play in 2021 but it'd have been less frustrating to move through the world in several places.

[@Friendly_Neigborhood_Astolfo]

Thank God I am not the only one who noticed this. Same with the bike, it's controls felt so off when I hoped on my bike and that is probably why

[@urm8matt156]

I wish they just made it so you can only use the grid, but also move diagonally

[@chaosbug7]

This is such a good observation. Keeping 3D movement & the grid is such a bad idea. You constantly clip on everything because the terrain was never made for 3d movement, and the "faithful recreation" was never intended to accommodate for being able to move around freely. It makes navigation extremely tedious.

[@myboicyndaquil2824]

Agreed I was getting extremely aggravated in the underground running into every wall while navigating

[@LunaAlphaKretin]

I definitely agree that the biggest issue with this game isn't any specific design decision but just absolute confusion over what their design goals were. The inconsistency between faithfully keeping an awful D/P decision or tacking on weird new changes like affection is completely impossible to understand.

[@Pierah]

It still boggles my mind how Looker, the guy they've been shoehorning into every generation since Gen 4 due to how memorable he was is now completely absent from the remakes of his generation. Not even a passing reference in dialog, like ORAS did for characters like Juan or Brandon. Also, it really puts things into perspective how the GTS, the crowning feature of Gen 4, is now locked behind a separate phone app and a paid subscription service, and neither it nor the GWS they replaced it with are available in the game at launch. Something they managed to do on the Nintendo DS for free, and in games that costed 20$ less...

[@cancerstinks1]

Looker isn’t in gen 8 at all 😥. Here’s hoping he reappears in gen 9 and Gamefreak/TPC hasn’t abandoned him

[@chrizchanang]

The game is so weird how it implements current Gen elements (fairy types and move pool, exp share, friendship bonuses, etc) but then also scales back the design to the issues that the original DP had, as you mentioned in the video. It’s like taking equal steps forward and back at the same time.

[@asantaraliner]

I've discovered that they even retain the difficulty of "random four fishing spots" for catching Feebas.

[@GeneralDragon011]

So basically, I'm not getting a Milotic then? Cool... T_T

[@DrawciaGleam02]

That's really dumb...and annoying. At least we'll be able to trade for Feebas eventually.

[@woodmansmusicchannel9158]

@@DrawciaGleam02 Someone made a tool that can help you find what your tiles will be for that day.

[@ZakanaHachihaCBC]

They also made Spiritomb annoying to get.

[@blueblade6174]

I also have problems with their refusal to improve and add to the characters, story and lore. The double battle partners are still incredibly lacking despite them being very interesting at surface level, Cyrus's introduction is still awkward and random, the church in Hearthome is still pointless and has no impact to the world building or playthrough experience even though it was one of the most interesting things to me back in the original diamond and pearl, etc.

[@urm8matt156]

They could have added more lore to the legendaries at spear pillar or the unknown ruins

[@robertlupa8273]

The church being random is honestly fine to me. It's a quiet area where you're left to contemplate about the world and your life. Almost like in a real church!

[@brianh794]

This game was rough around the edges. It definitely feels like a Pokémon game not made by Game Freak

[@FieryMeltman]

Not that Game Freak's track record is any better lately

[@LearLover]

cuz it's made by iilca

[@Ikcatcher]

Who’s gonna tell him?

[@LearLover]

@@Ikcatcher I have

[@skullerclawerbandicoot7966]

@@FieryMeltman Gen 7 were amazing games that constantly gets treated like a dirt sandwich (like Gen 5), SwSh had a terrible development and now theyre trying to revolutionize the series (like how Gen 7 felt different to other games)

[@SSJ_EWGF]

I'm quite disappointed with how little this remake seems to try, with the complete lack of any big platinum material, no new content, and a quite bizarre almost mobile-game-like artstyle. BDSP to me just screams 'budget' which is not the word that big Nintendo games should ever be getting much less Pokemon. And its not like it isn't _fun_ too, Sinnoh is enjoyable to go back to, the ingame battle visuals are pretty good, the remixes are a bop and I appreciate the small changes here and there that made the endgame portion even more engaging. The Cynthia champion battle was somehow even harder than of DP and I love it. It's just that when you a) repeat the same mistakes as the original-when the past rerelease version did fix almost all of them, and b) you put in _less_ legacy content from Platinum when previous remakes always had at least some form of third game gameplay segment, and c) charge it all for the full $60USD whereas the originals were like half of that and it all just makes you think if the Pokemon Company really cared, or just asked the devs they commissioned this game to that they can just do the bare minimum.

[@TheBlastoise313]

In all fairness, all Pokemon games look budget compared to other Nintendo games.

[@theimpersonator7086]

Yeah, pretty much As a huge fan of Gen 5, seeing these remakes has made me far more hesitant to want GF to touch the orginal Black and White 1 and 2.

[@demonking-zm3rs]

@@theimpersonator7086 These games weren't made by Game Freak in fact I don't know why people keep calling these games Remakes there were always Remaster's There faithful to the original with small gameplay adjustments and a graphics upgrade. A remake is if they used some of the newer quality of life additions took content from Platinum and made additions. HGSS took content from Gen 4 and Crystal while adding new stuff same With ORAS Its honestly for the best remakes have gotten crapped on with audience's claiming the want faithful game's like imagine the people pretending that Gen 8 was the failure of the franchise (like they did with Gen 5 ) raging about the games not being like the original (you know fans would)

[@GabrielJeronimo-xb6nz]

@@demonking-zm3rs No, a remake is built from the ground up, which BDSP are, a remaster is you pick the same game and give it a nicer look, if BDSP were remasters it would be in 2d which it isn't

[@fenixrises9854]

@@demonking-zm3rs thank you for being someone else to point out that game freak didn’t make these games. I feel like people forget it’s not game freak since this is the first time in 25 years that they didn’t make a Pokémon game (at least main series games, not sure about the other ones cuz I don’t play spin off games) so people get used to saying game freak but it’s not game freak. Like if you’re gonna get mad at a company then make sure it’s the correct company

[@depressedkermit5337]

The thing that ticked me off is that they cherry picked which aspects would be considered part of a “faithful remake” experience. No distortion world but say hello to the Grand Underground.

[@glitter4686]

Distortion world wasn't in Diamond and Pearl, and the grand underground is new.

[@ghiri3769]

Or that they didn't have evolutionary items available before the post-games

[@Rozenity]

Hey, atleast they're faithful enough to include the glitches lmao

[@TheHarry345]

I didn't know about the "more experience" part of affection, so that explains my Togekiss. I wanted a Togekiss on my playthrough team, so I caught a Togepi at the earliest opportunity, and in order to evolve it, I stuck it at the back of my party and walked with it everywhere until its happiness was high enough to let the exp share evolve it with the runoff exp. So I had a Togekiss on my playthrough team that I only used on special occasions because it's, at minimum, 2 levels higher than the rest of my team.

[@Crispy-ww7dw]

Same. Garchomp and drapion were used constantly cuz of their slow exp curve while togekiss with it’s super fast exp curve was just chillin on the back burner keeping pace. Barely got to use it

[@Yaboimitchell]

Exactly the same happened to me with my togekiss as well. I thought it was the exp-group but this explains it.

[@Dark_Side_Productions]

I’m exactly the same. Togekiss was level 45 compared to 42s and 43s on the rest of my team on Victory Road, so I yeeted it and Mismagius (who I walked with for most of the game as Torterra is way too slow IMO) into the box until the E4. Edit: spelling error

[@karthus006]

Me: I'll just lead with 1 Pokemon and fill the rest with Pickups. And switch whenever the lead Poke levels up.

[@gonzaloamador7530]

Where did you caught your Togepi?

[@antant9523]

9:22 not sure how many people know this, but if you tap the button fast, you can scroll through all the apps with a number on top which can let you go to the app you want faster rather than scrolling through every single app. but that would means you need to know the numbers correspond to which app, and having the back button is always good.

[@castform7]

The continous removal of choice is very aggrivating. Don't change the EXP. Share. I personally think grinding got me more attached to my Pokemon but it is tedious and boring. But for those don't want it on, they should be aloud not to use it. Some choice is already better than none.

[@reddeadspartan]

I feel the same way, that's how I didnt really like using the EXP share that much in X/Y since I felt like I wasnt really using my other pokemon that much because they were leveling up on their own. Of course I get why other people wouldn't like grinding each pokemon on their own and even I would use it from time to time to breach level gaps.

[@houndofculann1793]

@@reddeadspartan XY had also ridiculously bad balancing for handling the EXP Share, resulting in your team being at worst 20 levels over the Champion's team by the time you get there. Playing without it makes the challenge much more consistent, still not exactly hard, but usually enjoyable-ish for me, and if you opt out of using the affection Exp. bonus and Super Training too, then you've got to actually train up sometimes. Since all of these are entirely optional, I think XY actually did this quite right.

[@dinar471]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I think Black and White might be the only Pokémon games where I’d be pretty satisfied with a “faithful” remake. That being said, I’m terrified of those inevitable remakes lmao

[@GreySeraphim411]

Same. I know they’re going to mess it up somehow.

[@kettothespymain8955]

I feel like for those games, Game Freak themselves should make the remakes due to how good BW was

[@dinar471]

@@GreySeraphim411 im scared they might view them as massively flawed and try to correct them. At the time they were very ambitious and fans didn’t feel the same way about them back then as they do now.

[@dinar471]

@@kettothespymain8955 yes, agreed.

[@Benassiesto]

I want them to leave Unova alone and skip to Kalos… where they would take of Mega Evolution because Game Freak are big brain geniuses. Then Alola without Alolan Forms and Z Moves and Ultra Beasts. Then Galar with only Pokemon introduced in Gen 8 and they give you level 98 starters. The take more and more away from remakes that eventually the remakes will be just the opening town and $150 DLC for the rest of the game!

[@PenguinLotion522]

my pipe dream is that gamefreak sees all the negative reception and plans to make a platinum remake more in line with previous remakes (preferably with a modern style as opposed to the chibi but that's just my preference)

[@TulioKip]

To me, it's fun, but they could definitely have done much better than this. Like how about new forms for any Pokemon? The fact that ORAS introduced new forms and BDSP did not is also kind of a step backward. Giratina got its Origin form and had it ever since Platinum while Dialga and Palkia lacked even a single new form ever since their introductions, the forms didn't even have to increase the stats significantly, I would even accept a new form that would give Dialga and Palkia a different ability only and basically left their stats and typings untouched. Just giving some symmetry within the Creation trio is all I ask.

[@yarc9]

Mega evolution sucks who needs them just give them hidden abilities than they will be more broken

[@roxasbaker]

Tbh I wish they would gave dialga the primal version from mystery dungeon and gave palkia a new form or something I like how they introduced the multi universe thing in Oras but we didn’t hear anything else about it after ultra sun and moon it’s like they gotten lazy and they used the faithful remake as a excuse not to give us a better game I mean I love the game but masuda could did better than this since he was over the game while ILCA developed it he of all people knew what the fans wanted when it came to gen 4 remakes especially after the backlash he got when oras didn’t get the battle frontier

[@mr.preston1632]

Yeah

[@skullerclawerbandicoot7966]

@@roxasbaker GF didnt make this game, and it shows. I love the multiverse idea from USUM (considering the Giovanni from Lets Go seems to be the 1 from Team RR). SwSh ended up with a terrible development, making the games suffer and bdsp wasnt even being made by the actual devs (meanwhile, the actual devs are trying to refresh the series) Its sad how ppl blame GF for this when 💯 there wouldve been cool features to at least make it stand out like oras did

[@richard35791]

@@skullerclawerbandicoot7966 people already mad about swsh

[@ChaosBuckaroo]

This video sums up my thoughts exactly. I’m having fun, but boy oh boy this could be so much better. The inconsistency in what they kept faithful and what they added is beyond frustrating. I’ve never understood why they made it so hard, then and now, to get Gen IV Pokémon in Sinnoh on a normal playthrough. I want Gliscor now, not in fifty hours. As far as friendship goes, my Pachirisu has Sturdy for all intents and purposes. That thing survives every what-should-be-one-hit-KO Ground attack just to see me smile.

[@Zactoshi]

I've been waiting for this 😈

[@tuvyamaeir4684]

Oh, you have? KAMON...

[@castform7]

I am gonna break something the next time some idiot says "it's a DP remake not a Platinum remake". We can do better than this guys. Fine, leave the Distortion World out, leave out the Battle Frontier. What you shouldn't leave out are Platinum's fixes to the many problems DP had. They shouldn't have taken out legitimate quality of life for a better experience just to "be faithful". It's honestly unexeceptable for me and I don't understand why others are so complaicent with mediocrity.

[@Tsukune2001]

It's a diamond and pearl remake not a platinum remake stop whining.

[@mr.preston1632]

@@Tsukune2001 Oh so using the worse version for your remake isn’t bad game design? @Castform7 I suggest you break a copy of this game if you bought it

[@skullerclawerbandicoot7966]

@@Tsukune2001 But tell me, What If... GF made this game? Yes, it probably wouldve been still dp remakes but that didnt stop oras being rs remakes that really expanded upon Hoenn, that didnt stop it from trying to make Megas fit into the region, fly over the entire region, fix the characters to fix the story, make the evil teams actually memorable, still have SOME Emerald stuff, etc.

[@urm8matt156]

I mean technically they should have the distortion world and battle frontier. It's not like they can't add them to the postgame and it won't mess with the story

[@dobadobadooo]

Yeah, I agree with basically everything said here. These games add some great new stuff in some places, but actively go out of their way to ignore the great additions of Platinum. These aren't bad games, but Platinum remains the definitive Sinnoh experience.

[@user-mj6zg8hh9h]

I wouldn't mind the lack of post-game if they just did a remake out o Platinum. Frankly, i love Sinnoh, but DP were one of the weakest games of the entire franchise, Platinum saved the generation.

[@Max-qw8eq]

Dp was definitely not the weakest but I don’t disagree that platinum did make the series much better. The worst and most hated games in the whole franchise were swsh, despite the ridiculous sales.

[@PeruvianPotato]

@@Max-qw8eq No, D/P are significantly worse than SW/SH can ever wish to be for many different reasons

[@skullerclawerbandicoot7966]

@@Max-qw8eq No, SwSh at least had a terrible development and the fact they (GF) didnt know how a console game worked, it still had things going for it. DP were just garbage, like Gen 2

[@urm8matt156]

@@PeruvianPotato Idk DP had good map design and was more challenging, I think it's better than SWSH(without dlc)

[@jaceb3106]

Before watching I will say that for me as a huge Gen 4 lover, BDSP are much more fun than DP. Platinum just was the most complete. But BDSP didn’t really disappoint me and I thought they were fun and good games

[@AlphaladZXA]

Just don't learn to settle man or they'll get away with anything

[@jaceb3106]

@@AlphaladZXA oh I haven’t settled yet. I genuinely didn’t enjoy Sword and Shield

[@richard35791]

@@jaceb3106 context man, this is 2022 with advanced technology and they have 15 years to make damn remake much better than this

[@kithalie]

@@jaceb3106 I refused to give them money for that game lol (sw&sh)

[@DeepWeeb]

I feel we shouldn't be getting any more remakes, Diamond and Pearl already didn't need these remakes because any issues they had were adressed in Platinum, and that game in 13 years hasn't aged as badly as say Gen 1 in only 8 years or Gen 2 in 10 (and Black and White, 10 years later *only get **_better_** with age,* like fine wine). And it's clear they were aware of all of that because BDSP are so close to the vanilla originals that they have a pretty hard time justifying their existence and value. The reality is that with the outsourcing and the rehashing these remakes are a filler release to have people know the context of the Sinnoh region for the more transformative and much-promising Legends Arceus.

[@mushroomdude123]

I'll always think that not having the Battle Frontier is such a waste. Gen 8 has made it easier than ever to create competitive teams super quickly, but outside of PvP, there's nowhere to use them. They wouldn't even have to worry about making the main story hard, because the Frontier was more challenging than any game.

[@asantaraliner]

Apparently, the Battle Frontier was removed because of underutilization. Few players actually used it. This is also the reason why the ORAS only included the Battle Maison.

[@mushroomdude123]

@@asantaraliner idk if I believe that. I've heard of so many people who replay Platinum just for the Battle Factory.

[@PeruvianPotato]

@@asantaraliner Actually I heard that they didn't include it in ORAS because they ran out of development time as there are assets in the games files that show remnants of a possible Battle Frontier comeback

[@Tsukune2001]

Stop whining about the damn battle frontier if you want to battle so bad just do it online with someone.

[@YacheBerries]

@@Tsukune2001 It's a little difficult to when online 6v6 singles battles are limited to just 20 minutes. The varied facilities at the Battle Frontier don't solve this, but it does spice the BP grind up a little bit from basic Battle Tower battles, and is just a generally fun, additional set of post-game achievements you can go for if you're into competitive, casually or hardcore.

[@Dark_Side_Productions]

Let’s be honest, the only reason they withheld Platinum content is to sell it to us for 30 bucks in DLC next month.

[@benjaminschroeder5465]

The worst part is that you’re probably right and and they’re planning to do just that…And I’d buy it

[@chencg179]

@@benjaminschroeder5465 I’m gagging for platinum so yeah I’d buy it too

[@urm8matt156]

There's already a way to get Giratina, change form and the distortion world is replaced with a room. So idk how they will handle dlc

[@benjaminschroeder5465]

@@urm8matt156 I know about Giratina lol

[@chrizchanang]

I don’t think that the exp share is necessarily the problem, it’s the lack of scaling enemy levels to your team. When you beat a gym leader, the wild Pokemon in the grand underground are higher leveled but not the trainers or wild Pokemon on the route to the next gym. This allowed me to just curb stomp everyone once I resurfaced.

[@ihaveaname699]

I've always enjoyed affection bonuses, it makes me feel more connected to my Pokémon and can really help in a pinch. I do think they should be harder to get though.

[@AuraStrikeAce]

I agree, I enjoy seeing how much my Pokémon's liking towards me has grown and it's satisfying seeing the results of that in battle.

[@richard35791]

to compensate that special trainer like gym leader should also have that mechanism, especially cynthia garchomp toughened up so she wouldnt feel sad lol

[@EmeralBookwise]

Seriously, this. I especially hate it when people compare affection bonuses to "cheating". This isn't online competitive we're talking about, as affection strictly applies only to the single player story.

[@danielplacencia9633]

This "Faithful" Game literally just pissed me off,it could have been like ORAS with The Sword and Shield Style Graphics and True Full National Pokedex....BUT NO! Instead we just got a High Definition Reboot of an old game

[@niklask.4050]

I did not really expect BDSP to include platinum content, so at least that was not a let down for me. Still was a downgrade since I kinda forgot how bland the characters were in DP in comparison to Platinum. For me the worst part of BDSP is that it feels... unfinished. Pokemon models sometimes look like they accidentally included early designs that kinda seem like they took Pokemon Stadium models and just grinded down the edges. The bike clips through stairs, jumping down ledges doesn't work sometimes, as if there is an invisible wall. And of course the exp and affection mechanic should always be options.

[@jwanie366]

I seriously wonder how BDSP could've turned out if Game Freak wasn't working on Legends: Arceus instead. My expectations aren't too high, but I'm hoping Legends doesn't disappoint; otherwise the decision to hand BDSP over to ILCA may be seen as a very terrible one

[@gamer_yes]

I don’t think Gamefreak would have made the game much better

[@myboicyndaquil2824]

GF had the final say what ILCA could do with the game. GF was the one who told them they couldn't add any of the new items or mons and told them it had to be CHIBI

[@AlphaladZXA]

Well what did you think of legends?

[@Darth_Insidious]

Why affection was tied to friendship in this games instead of the obvious choice of poffins continues to baffle me.

[@DrawciaGleam02]

I think it because of how you get Sylveon in X/Y? It was pretty similar to friendship evolutions TBH.

[@Darth_Insidious]

@@DrawciaGleam02 I don't like affection at all, but it wasn't a problem in earlier games because it was tied into a side system. Such as headpats or camping.

[@AzureGreatheart]

I agree, they should have tied affection to poffins, instead of pulling the worst mechanic in the series out of the trash where ORAS left it.

[@DarthBenneth]

Legends: Arceus is the Sinnoh game that Gamefreak wants to do, BDSP is the Sinnoh game Gamefreak and Ilca felt obligated to do due to Pokémon's history of remakes. I enjoyed Shining Pearl, but I never felt like it topped my Platinum experience.

[@richard35791]

they should never released swsh in the first place to focus on gen 4 remake

[@DarthBenneth]

@@richard35791 I actually don't think that should've been the case. If anything, SS needed the extra development time more so than BDSP. Despite the many, many faults of SS, I at least appreciate what GameFreak was trying to do with the new features, such as the open-worldish style locations and max raids, but they needed more time to polish the game so it didn't look like it was from the GameCube era. Their annual release schedule compromised SS, but BDSP actually had two years development, which for remakes has never happened before. We got exactly what we should've expected with BDSP, an exact remake of DP, not Platinum. Hopefully Legends' longer development will be exactly what Pokemon needs right now.

[@iammegan6626]

Pokemon on the switch so far: Why am I paying 60-90 USD when a 40 USD game was more polished and had more content?

[@DSmaster8585]

Your Elekid story makes me feel bad! The first time I ever entered the gem room (without any statues placed), found an Adamant Elekid, with perfect Attack and Speed EVs, holding the Electirizer and with the Cross Chop egg move... sorry JPR!

[@tylergurdon76]

….what?

[@CojaGamez]

The thing that is annoying me is everyone is complaining about how these remakes are "too faithful", but they also complained when ORAS changed too much. You literally can't win with Pokémon fans

[@DotDotDott]

Most poeple didn't complain about HGSS so you can win they already did it. They added the new features of the generation, added new aeras and story details and new characters along with allowing pokemon to evolve into there new Gen 4 evolutions but they also stayed true to the orignal games.

[@CojaGamez]

@Pantsmonster That'd down to personal opinion, the graphics of pokemon have never been amazing but they are better

[@CojaGamez]

@Pantsmonster They looked basically the same in ORAS, it's a chibi artstyle?

[@RayOfTruth]

It's almost like there are two types of changes. Fans want improvements not downgrades.

[@skullerclawerbandicoot7966]

@@DotDotDott Yet they didnt evem bother to fix the OGs biggest issues Forgettable characters except Silver Awful variety Leaders STILL use Gen 1 mons The region still feels like Kanto Its now even slower Team R is still a joke compared to Gen 1 Leveling is still really bad Kanto (while slightly better) still felt pretty bad Johto still feels like Kanto U still cant get most Johto mons until Kanto The Safari Zone is there to get those Johto mons (which is so lazy and even THAT has its problems) Etc. Im not saying theyre bad games, they added cool stuff but everyone always looks over its serious flaws and act like its flawless

[@chaoticwhoopsie203]

I didn't even know they boosted the friendship bonus so much. When I finally got my zubat to evolve to Golbat I thought it would take me until the 4th gym to get Crowbat. I leveled Golbat up TWICE and it immediately evolved into a Crowbat after I beat the second gym. It still blows my mind that I had a level 24 Crowbat so early in game.

[@DrawciaGleam02]

Eh, evolving with friendship was annoying in my playthroughs if I didn't have the EV berries on hand. So I'm okay with this change.

[@PoolKid75]

The only thing that redeems these games for me is the improved PokeRadar. I found the original version completely unusable.

[@robertlupa8273]

10:50 No you couldn't - you could only catch Elekid at Valley Windworks in DP and *only* if you inserted Fire Red into your DS. In Platinum, you have to wait until you finish the whole Team Galactic storyline, or right before the last gym. Meanwhile Electirizer only requires Surf. :/

[@fireguardiancoty]

I think if they did everything fans wanted it wouldn't be Pokémon anymore, and even then people would find something to complain about.

[@phil2160]

Pokemon fans are never happy

[@michaelfragoso6572]

BDSP could have been the best remakes ever they had…. Turn on or off exp share No broke affection The platinum dex Secret bases/The Villa Gym leader/elite 4 platinum teams Looker and Charon Better story distortion World with delta episode like post game More platinum elements Heart gold and soul silver cameo or sinjoh ruins reference And finally the battle frontier is the cherry on top.

[@Dark_Side_Productions]

What you basically want is Platinum in HD with optional Exp Share right?

[@AlphaladZXA]

Honestly yeah, I guess it was just common sense to include the platinum improvements but I guess we can't trust anybody with common sense

[@AzureGreatheart]

I think most of those could still be included if they make a patch that adds them in, but that’s the question, will they do that? I doubt they’ll change the base game much, but a Delta Episode equivalent and some minor changes to some mechanics would do a lot to improve the game on their own. They also need to add the Platinum Battle Frontier if they do this, because I strongly suspect that we’re still getting Black and White remakes down the line, and one of the Elite Four in that region comes completely out of left field if the Battle Castle isn’t in Sinnoh.

[@El_Mince]

Nintendo, where’s our Pokémon Star Platinum

[@shaemartin4770]

So during my playthrough I battled every single trainer except for the trainers above Sunnyshore City. And a few Galactic grunts in Mount Coronet. I also caught every pokémon that I could find that I didn't have registered in the Pokedex and I was still a few levels below every Elite four member and Cynthia. So I had no issues with the experience share

[@AlphaHorst]

How? I did the same so far, as well as going out of my way to catch them all, and I am level 64. And I have only 7 badges. I also switched my team up quite a bit. But even those late additions to my team are now above level 55.

[@flabchunky3068]

THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING ELEKID. It took me hours to find that stupid electrizer. Besides that you make many good points and generally reflect my own thoughts, good video!

[@RhyperiorRanger]

10:54 actually Elekid was only in Diamond and Pearl if you had Fire Red in the dual slot. In Platinum you had to wait until route 222 (which isn’t until after you beat Giratina) and even then you got Electabuzz and not Elekid

[@KevinXmusic]

Where this game really shines is IMO the post game. Yes, it really sucks that we lost the Battle Frontier, but they added a lot to the Battle Tower to make up for it. The Master Class is great, I like that they're utilizing memorable NPCs from the base game as bosses for it, and every battle is legit challenging with enemies using Legendaries and actual strategies with good AI. Even more so in doubles where you throw in Team Galactic, the Stat Trainers and E4 as bosses too. To add to that if you don't wanna do the Battle Tower, the Gym Leader rematches and E4 rematches are already some of the toughest non Battle Facility battles in the entire franchise. I literally lost to Maylene's rematch like 5 times. Of course it sucks I had to go out of my way to reduce affection (which is btw, the WORST mechanic in modern Pokemon), but once I was able to play normally, using my challenge rules, it was really fun and gave me a thrill no other Pokemon game could. I really hope ILCA keeps making Pokemon games. Their boss design and art design is top notch, and they were really held back by making faithful games. An ILCA BW remake would be INCREDIBLE.

[@ZachaRicO]

If Game Freak continues to have ILCA do remakes and give them leeway to do more with the source material, and if ILCA takes feedback on BDSP into account and makes sure to fix what they got wrong and build on what they got right, they could end up making a masterpiece of a remake. I agree that the postgame rematches in BDSP are phenomenal for their challenge, even with affection maxed out, as I have to actually plan ahead for these battles.

[@benjaminschroeder5465]

Exactly, they did a decent enough job for their first duo of Pokemon titles, even if they could have done a LOT more.

[@montecristosmith2343]

How hard was it to reduce affection, like how many herbs did you have to feed each pokemon at a time?

[@KevinXmusic]

@@montecristosmith2343 not too hard, just tedious. If my pokemon are at two hearts in the friendship app it takes around 4-5 revival herbs to get them down to zero. There are probably faster and more efficient ways of doing it, but that's what worked for me.

[@richard35791]

multi games missing

[@shadowmarauder6033]

It’s now obvious that when Ilca said the game was going to be “faithful”, it just meant “cheap as can be without angering all the fans.” What Nintendo doesn’t get with literally EVERY remake is that when people want a remake of a game, they want an improved version of the game where they still faithful by keeping the good features of it. The Kanto remakes don’t let you use pokémon outside pf sinnoh, while the other ones(including BDSP) have a shared flaw of not improving the teams of gym leaders and other NPCs. Seriously, why is this a constant in basically every one of these games!?

[@emblemblade9245]

Gamefreak and TPC, not Nintendo

[@urm8matt156]

It's so frustrating because they didn't even add small stuff like the extra button on the Pokétch. Like, how long would that take to programme?

[@shadowmarauder6033]

@@urm8matt156 Exactly!

[@skullerclawerbandicoot7966]

@@urm8matt156 GF didnt make the stinkin game (theyre busy wirh Legends), that was ILCA Dangit, why does everyone keep forgetting that it was made by a diff dev, this is why bdsp is the way it is

[@shibaarmy4385]

They should have just added everything Platinum had as well as keeping the traps and proper base building for the underground DP&P had. Fun games but very disappointing in terms of what it could have been faithful or otherwise.

[@bvd_vlvd]

You summed it up pretty well at the end and it's why I didn't like all videos like this one. We never got a 3rd version remake (except for Let's go games, but I'm focusing on the first pairs of remakes only) and with how much everyone is losing their minds about not getting a platinum remake, even though our expectations were set to receive brilliant diamond and shining pearl, not *dazzling platinum* is becoming whiny to me. Games are not the problem, the problem is in the perspective - *if you see bdsp as a downgrade to platinum and not as an upgrade to dp, you will never be satisfied with the games.* And no, delta episode is not an argument because it clearly didn't exist in emerald. Also, on the other side, excluding Rotom forms in the postgame would mean cutting off existing pokemon which is why it had to be in the game. Since, after all, you *can* get Crobat in FRLG postgame. That's why it is called postgame. But anyway, I'm rambling. I think that other than excluding Tangela and Yanma, uncomfortable movement and the fact that affection is much more powerful than in swsh, these games made every correct decision (since bugs and glitches are not intentional and will be fixed) and are some of the most fun official games I've played. I really hope fans will not be mad over black and white remakes because they won't do b2w2, but knowing the fandom I know what to expect

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

It's like if someone made a perfect recreation of The Room. Like congratulations, you did it but it doesn't change that fact that the Room was a bad movie and that your recreation is just as bad as the original. And to be clear, I don't think Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl are anywhere near as bad as The Room, I'm just using an extreme example to illustrate my point that faithfulness does not equal quality. And these remakes are so frustrating because they deliberately ignored all the improvements that Platinum made which would have made these sequels much better games, games we will unfortunately never be able to play with modern graphics on a modern console.

[@beta511ee4]

Your opinion, m8.

[@joeyjose727]

I think my issue was that I wanted a Platinum remake, which was never going to happen because Pokemon relies on 2 versions... even though there was that report saying the games have both versions on them, they just have a switch that keeps it on one version? Something like that, right? If that’s true, I hate that... Platinum is the ultimate sinnoh experience so add platinum features! Who wanted an extremely accurate remake? I wanted an ENHANCED remake. Stuff like game performance is enhanced of course, but you’re so right when you say they faithfully recreated some of the worst aspects of DP

[@urm8matt156]

Isn't Platinum just the same game as Diamond and Pearl but better? Couldn't they have just copied Platinum and move the distortion world into the postgame?

[@joeyjose727]

@@urm8matt156 pretty much, sinnoh is my favorite region but DP are veryyyy slow and messy. Platinum is a way better experience, and there’s so much more variety and things to do... but obviously gamefreak want money so they’d never just make a single game remake I wouldn’t have a problem with it if they put the really cool stuff from Platinum in. Some of it made the cut! But other stuff like the Distortion World didn’t make it...

[@urm8matt156]

@@joeyjose727 Yeah but couldn't they add the third game/enhanced version elements into the games like what HGSS and ORAS somewhat did? It's not like they made a remake of Crystal or Emerald after them.

[@joeyjose727]

@@urm8matt156 I wish but I don’t think they’re gonna start making one single ultimate version for remakes. All remakes so far have had multiple versions (which is fine for HGSS) Platinum Remake would’ve been THE time to do a single game version imo, since it’s easier doing online trades than ever and I don’t think most people buy both versions... especially not now that it’s $60 for each version So there’s definitely reason to emulate or buy a platinum copy, it still holds up and I wish BDSP were less faithful and more innovative

[@urm8matt156]

@@joeyjose727 If I buy Platinum online, do most fake copies work? Just incase I try to buy an official one but it ends up being fake

[@jt_9999]

Finally an actual good take on these games

[@AvaaSlays_Swiftie]

I don’t get why they didn’t do a platinum remake. A single game. The best way to play sinnoh

[@commonviewer2488]

Like how Emerald remains definitive Hoenn, Platinum remains definitive Sinnoh

[@deodrasshelios7957]

Grinding is a choice though. You can beat the game without grinding, and by simply battling trainers and from time-to-time wild battles. That isn't grinding. Pokemon players really don't know what true grinding is. Pick up old school Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest and you'll soon learn that Pokemon has never had grinding, unless you choose to.

[@AlphaHorst]

Pokemon players don't know what grinding is? Are you serious? There are thousands of people who have more than 15h a day playtime on average just to get one shiny. Just to get one decent pokemon can tke upwards of 60h. And that is excluding the time needed to then train it to a usable level. And making it less grindy is a good thing, yet they made it easier and harder at the same time. Which is why people complain.

[@MrSkullMerchant]

@@AlphaHorst i think he just meant playing through the main story

[@snap4936]

You've quickly become my favorite pokétuber.

[@JPRPokeTrainer98]

I appreciate that, thanks!

[@reddeadspartan]

@Pantsmonster /vp/ liking someone? Someone check hell because it's probably frozen over.

[@robertlupa8273]

I literally just thought about checking out if JPR's got anything new. Guess my intuition is pretty good. =)

[@SegaMario]

I pray that they never go the "faithful" approach with remakes again. HGSS and ORAS have shown how Pokémon remakes should be handled. tweak the story a bit to better fit the changes that have been made since the originals, add a big chunk of fun, unique postgame content like catching Legendaries from other games, some Delta Episode-esque adventure, Gym Leader rematches, etc. While BDSP did do the former, it just wasn't as impactful as the other games that did this. I like the whole Slate concept, but the Legendaries lacking their respective themes was a letdown. Not to mention them not having more unique areas to be met in.

[@TyzThePhoenix]

For some reason people think grinding = difficulty and difficulty = fun but grinding ≠ fun or difficult

[@the_clawing_chaos]

I really worry about the Black White remakes. the sequel was by far, the better game, and will the BW remake just skip it entirely? Yeah, It worries me.

[@montecristosmith2343]

I have 0 interest in the remakes after ORAS since now they don't include pokemon from later gens (aside from Meltan and Alolan forms in LGPE). Even if they don't do the whole National Dex they should at least include fan favorite pokemon from later gens imo.

[@sterling8389]

Personally, I wasn't a huge fan of Diamond and Pearl, but Platinum is way better. I think this game looks pretty alright on paper. I enjoyed the originals and this game is just a bit better. However, I chose not to buy it because it's is similar. If Pokemon Legends wasn't right around the corner, I may have considered it. But as someone who doesn't have the money to spend, it doesn't seem worth it

[@roxasbaker]

Me I was a big fan of it I really didn’t care about how slow it was seeing as I still have my Pokémon pearl japanese but you’re right platinum way better and I still have that too but Masuda I’m not saying ILCA because this their first Pokémon game they made but Masuda himself was over the game they developed so he knew what the fans wanted and this is what he gave us this is why I don’t want to play them anymore since he takes out all the best stuff he knew we wanted the battle frontier back so bad and he promised to bring it back and several games and a remake later still no battle frontier

[@roxasbaker]

And if I where you I’ll hold out on legends til you see KZbinrs play it and see do you like it I didn’t even preordered it yet because knowing gamefreak they set us up only to disappoint us when the game releases

[@sterling8389]

@@roxasbaker Yeah i can understand that, but this is a game i want to experience for myself without spoilers or outside influences. unlike BDSP this is a totally new game and i want to see it play out, even if it is bad or disappointing,

[@minicle426]

I won't lie, I found BD/SP quite lacklustre. It's never been my favourite generation for various reasons, but this didn't really add anything to improve my view. Nor do I care much for the overworld models. It all just feels 'phoned in'. I just hope the developers learn from this and do a better job on the inevitable Gen 5 remakes in the distant future.

[@ianmurphy3840]

Why is Barry is running on water like Luigi in Mario 64 DS? 0:46

[@doorbox788]

I hate that they brought back breakable TM’s. If i recall ORAS had infinite TM’s which is so much better. I don’t wanna grind to teach a single pokemon one move.

[@montecristosmith2343]

This makes me worried about Gen 9. I already didn't care for TRs being a thing in SWSH when they could all have just been permanent TMs instead. This might be testing the waters.

[@TheRealLily1]

I just don't understand why remake a broken/outdated/garbage game, instead of using Pokemon Platinum as the games to be remade.

[@cynda1178]

We all know why they faithfully remade it like Diamond and Pearl instead of Platinum. "We're gonna add it later, cause money!"

[@hyytuy]

I always hope when a remake comes out it take the way heart gold and soul silver did in my opinion those are not only the best remakes they are the best Pokemon games ever

[@naturalharmoniagropius4486]

I fear what Black and White remakes will look like? I fear they might let Kyurem a forgotten Legendary Pokemon. I love the BW1, especially the sequels because of the Epic Storyline. 11/10, if you asked me. If they gonna remake BW1 in the future, not a total sequel or whatever. Please, include some stuff that exists in BW2, like Kyurem forms and new towns.

[@matthewmatthew8941]

I’d started playing gold for the first time, playing it by trying to catch one of each possible Pokémon, haven’t finished the game when the new game was dropped into my hands and now I’m having a blast checking out each Pokémon and evolving them, almost a professor oak challenge. I love it!

[@fishmrinc]

11:53 you could get elekid in the originals. Only issue is it required the national Dex and you had to have either FireRed or leafgreen. But, to keep this faithful, they literally could've made it that if you have save data of let's go Pikachu, you could catch elekid and if you have save data of Eevee, magby would also be available. But instead they just made it really hard. It sounds like even in diamond and pearl it was easier tbh.

[@coleycow_]

I would watch a video about affection! I honestly don't know why people don't talk about it more. I really wish it was optional.

[@yarc9]

The affection Part saving you for wasting a full restore look how many times I lost against Jupiter skuntank

[@dood3530]

I like the IDEA of affection as a mechanic, but I have a lot of issues with the way it's actually implemented. It'd be cool to see someone talk in more depth about that.

[@videogamephenomhd]

At first, everyone was hyped for something special, but nothing big came about within BDSP after all. BDSP feels like the original after all with no later goodies.

[@BroskiGrifnage]

“i’m just a guy on the internet with way too much time on his hands” FELT THAT

[@tearzofthefallen6586]

Some of the music used here is from Xenoblade 2 as well. You used the land of Morytha starting at the Faithful section. You should just include a tracklist when using music. Although I know this whole soundtrack, because its amazing, there are many people who do not and the songs will drive them crazy.

[@seanselig3797]

Faithful at what cost? My wallet, definitely not worth the $60

[@andyfletchxr]

As somebody who never played platinum, I would love for someone to explain the major differences between DP and PL minus the distortion world aspect. I agree that the friendship and exp share should have an off switch that make the games more challenging to us older players (i’m 27). Pokémon games are easy and i’m aware of that. i just wish they would realize a lot of their fans are returning to/growing with the franchise now that the main series is off the DS format and onto a more mainstream option like the switch. The picking and choosing of certain platinum aspects and their loyalty (to a fault) with some of the decisions made to recreate D&P are confusing as well. In a perfect world, we get a platinum remake with elements of DP driving the main story, along side some basic AI and UI improvements. At the end of the day, I’m satisfied with the remakes as they are, flaws and all. And if you’ve read this far, props to you.

[@commonviewer2488]

CandyEvie did a good job explaining the version differences years ago

[@Blissy1175]

Almost every single step through Diamond & Pearl was changed slightly in Platinum, whether it's the variety of pokemon in routes or the better scaling of level progression in wild pokemon & npc teams or the inclusion of *more pokemon* in the games to begin with (or the battle frontier). I didn't realize it until I started playing Brilliant Diamond and started going back thinking that things were a little, but not too much, different than I remembered them to be and realized just how much was changed from DP to Platinum. Gym leader order, how/when you can obtain certain pokemon or hold items, etc. There's just an incredible amount of quality of life changes from just DP to Platinum that it's actually crazy that they didn't just remake Platinum and just give BDSP the Diamond & Pearl storyline (as in legendary pokemon) differences.

[@Sootielove]

The issue is that if these games came out on their own, they'd be a lot of fun. We just have platinum, BW, XY, SM, and SWSH now to compare them to. They don't have the same benefits to the region as Platinum and they don't have a lot of the quality of life upgrades as the future games. I really like the extra challenge in the NPC design, that was amazing and I hope we get more of that in the future, but there were too many basic features they left out seemingly for the sake of it.

[@mr.monster91666]

Honestly I love the affection, I like that Pokemon will Dodge moves or do Critical Hits. Like a real life Pokemon battle instead of just using two digital Sprites to smash up against each other

[@JPRPokeTrainer98]

I do think Affection adds some character to the battles, my main gripe is just that it can't be disabled and that the bonuses are a teensy bit over the top imo

[@mr.monster91666]

@@JPRPokeTrainer98 I will admit Diamond and Pearl remakes have OverDrive affection. It should be a lot harder to get friendship like it should take your whole journey to gain friendship

[@michaelryan1767]

I really enjoyed BD. But I think there are a few factors that went into that 1. I played the heck out of Diamond, its probably the single game in the franchise I put the most hours into, after the original Silver. 2. I never played Platinum 3. I haven't played Diamond in about a decade, so BD was almost like an entirely new game to me. I've never really felt much of a challenge in any Pokemon game, mostly because when I was younger, I would spend a bunch of time before each gym mindlessly level grinding my party, including any new type counter I might have picked up, so the Exp Share literally just saved me from the grinding I would have done anyway, though at parts I was still overleveled a little. But Cynthia in BD was the first time I've *lost* to a level appropriate Gym Leader/Elite 4/Champion in a *very* long time, and that was really cool to actually have a challenge to overcome, and the Elite 4 weren't total pushovers either. Having a lvl 5 affection Jirachi didn't really help all that much, and I thought it was cool that they brought in some Mythicals to get early on, because I missed out on Jirachi, Darkrai, and Shaymin during the original Diamond. I think the only real issue I had with the remake was that secret bases were no longer a thing we could decorate, they were now just a place to put statues, and I thought that kinda sucked because the secret bases were kinda fun. Ramanas Park is also a decent replacement for Pal Park, though digging for shards is a pain in the butt.

[@nerdycatlover8627]

Great background music choices. I especially liked Engage the Enemy for the shiny Palkia crit.

[@thehoopau88]

Unrelated but keep pumping out bangers my guy

[@thesleepyravenclaw6260]

I will just say I’ve never had a problem getting the Evolution items because every time I’ve caught an Elekid or Magmar or Gligar, it was holding the corresponding evolution item.

[@fembuss9528]

Knowing Pokémon, their answer to nerf the happiness boost will just be to take out following Pokémon forever and take the lazy way out

[@djdievjfkfjwhks]

when i reached cynthia i was super underleveled which was some of the most fun i had in a pokemon game an actually close champion battle her garchomp basically wipe my team regardless of set up or effective attacks or not i baited out her earthquakes to switch to a flying type

[@LetsHelpMarkus]

Basically that. I skipped a lot of Routes and ended up on the same Level as Cynthia at the End (it's torture to clean up afterwards). And at that Point I didn't give a Thing anymore, because the Affection killed the Enjoyment. *Lopunny survived Garchomps Earthquake with one HP because it loves me, It crits for me and survive another Earthquake with the 1 HP it had before (took no Damage from Satan himself).* So yeah, I finished the Rematches and Extra Island afterwards, but didn't bother to beat Cynthias strongest form nor to catch all the Legendaries. I just threw the Game to the Side an was done.

[@armorbearer9702]

(10:04) This is my biggest complaint. They have all these Pokémon Underground, but for some reason no one on the surface uses them. It is especially painful because Roark visits you underground so it is not hidden from the public. Game Freak should have given Roark a rhyhorn to show off the new Pokémon in the underground. Volkner & Flint should use the underground Pokémon so that they can actually have a full electric and fire team.

[@KRUDDYMUSICIAN]

I woulda been happy if Mindy didn't give her Haunter an everstone. IF THEY FIXED THAT, IT WOULD MAKE MY WHOLE YEAR

[@princemajestal8100]

Platinum has always been my favorite game and these remakes only made me love Platinum even more.

[@-_MR666_-]

Platinum is such a complete Nintendo DS game, same as Emerald being the best GameBoy Advance game

[@ZakanaHachihaCBC]

Here's the thing about HGSS and ORSA. They were never advertised as Faithful Remakes, BDSP were. I knew it was going to be DP all over again with some minor changes. I tried telling people it was going to be basically DP all over again. No one believed me. And here we are, I'm actually enjoying the game because I never got my hopes up for more then what we were promised, other then changing how they handled to getting of Spiritomb.

[@AlmightyKevo]

The worse part is it will still do numbers so they’ll continue to give us bs until the fanbase finally learn to stop rewarding mediocrity

[@Evets_03]

10:35 I feel this now that I have the game. Just to get a cleffa, I have to wake up and start up the game before 10 am if I want the encounter odds to be the highest, and that also applies if I want to use thief to snatch a moonstone from a cleffa. If I want a shiny stone for roselia, I need to assemble a full team of pachirisu with the pickup ability and hope one of them picks up a shiny stone while I’m grinding. I thought this game eliminated grinding but no. Sure, leveling up and evolving sneazel right before the Pokémon league was long and tiresome, and the exp share being an item took more grinding in the beginning, but I will gladly erase my memory and play platinum again if it also means I get to have my jolteon

[@rhinestoneage0125]

Honestly what they should've done for the... Gameplay: Use the SWSH Engine and create a UI that is faithful to the original but also fitting for modern standards. The Region itself: Could've expanded the cities to make it slightly more realistic (hell, they could've pulled a Mauville and made Jubilife or Veilstone SO much bigger) and make their designs akin to Platinum (imo the Galactic Buildings having the same design feels super bland and Jubilifes color scheme seems kinda off). They should've also redesigned important areas like the Spear Pillar. Gyms: They could've made the gym puzzles a mixture of DP and Platinum. A good example is Fantina. Rather than recycling her original puzzle from DP, they could've incorporated Platinum by making it so that at the start of each room, you get the question and you're supposed to search for the door with the right answer in the dark. Or for Gardenia they could've turned the forest maze into a flower maze instead. Pokedex: JUST USE THE PLATINUM DEX and probably add some new ones as well Character Designs: make new ones that are a mixture of their designs from all three games (Lucas and Dawn's new outfits could simply be their Platinum Outfits with the color scheme of their Diamond and Pearl Outfits) Plot: Recreate the original plot from Diamond and Pearl but make a post game based on Platinum Honestly this game had so much potential it makes me cry they made it go to waste. Hope they dont do this with Unova Remakes (or Kalos, in fact if they did an ORAS on Kalos remakes it'd might be 100 times better than the original x and y)