Fallout 76 - The Burrows ft FinalRender

[@norespawns]

Annnd here is FinalRender's perspective of our excursion: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pH6lf6l6htVseZY

[@ssj4cap]

Big fan of both of you. Great videos!

[@CaporegimeMarcus]

So cool to see you two playing together, this is going to be good!

[@CSharkBytes]

I have been really ill for a few days so I put doing this off to today. It was easy to do solo. I am level 135. About 1/2 way through another player came in and more ghouls spawned. I got some nice gear I was surprised. 2 3 star legenedary weapons and 1 2 star armor piece.Plus that Gutter assaultron blade that everyone gets. It was OK. I took my time and read all the notes, terminals, holos and went all over it. Whole thing even doing that took me 25 minutes. I can see how this can be added to. BGS got the ambiance right. A+ for level design, D for quest and story.

[@norespawns]

So going on some of the responses - I get the impression that some people here have never played a traditional MMO before and therefore are not really familiar with a 'dungeon' and then a 'raid'. Regardless of my gear, a dungeon should be nearly impossible for just one person. Yet I've got okay-ish gear and could probably solo that easily. Enemies (assuming they're trying to go for a traditional MMO-style dungeon) should be all buffed with increased health. Instead, they're the same ghouls that you find at Whitesping (and in fewer numbers!). Also, the point of a dungeon is that it's end-game content precisely there to 'gear' you beyond what you'd get normally and then prepare you for raiding (which are dungeons on steroids). As said in the video - this would be fine as a quest, but calling it a dungeon is very misselling what we're getting here.

[@norespawns]

I'm thinking of making a video on this topic over the weekend - because it had never occurred to me that people haven't spent copius amount of time playing World of Warcraft, and therefore wouldn't immediately understand what a 'dungeon' is.

[@nessuno1984]

But 76 isn't a MMO. MMO stands for massively multiplayer online. As you know, 76 has max of 24 players with teams of max 4. That's nowhere near "massively".

[@thesarcasticsettler252]

@@norespawns Wow being the only game to contain dungeons and raids.

[@norespawns]

Khaine - I used WoW as an example of an MMO, not 'this is the only the only MMO ever made that has dungeons and raids' - staggering I need to actually explain that part

[@norespawns]

forgettabletreetriangledreams - but they have been pushing this as traditional 'end game' content. They've already done some of this with the 'bosses' such as the Scorchbeast Queen/Sheepsquatch. Non-mmo's have this down too - such as destiny or even co-op games such as Borderlands.

[@wastelandkitten9698]

I loved this cross over of you and Final Render, swoon.

[@sophiekelly9852]

love this :) collabs r fun also the more laid back/lets playish content (reminds me of your streams)

[@eternalmiasma5586]

I like the lets play style! Both of you are great youtubers and builders.

[@i44imustasurma82]

Nice addition together with finalrender, really appreciate if you both do some more together in fallout. I got an 50cal 3star two shot, explo and 1 perception inside the burrows. As well you get the plans of marine armor, at least I found arms and legs as ferry harper is mostly farmed no matter when I log in. Btw I'm on Xbox, lvl 118.

[@tonytheboss3665]

its great to hear both of you to gather in a game.love both of you as willI big fan.you two have a great Easter and game MATE.

[@geraldm4728]

I got a TSE Light Machine gun off the three star colonel gutsy last night in the burrows. Pretty good drop I guess

[@lindaschmidt1518]

2 of the best collaborating, bloody awesome 🤙

[@ve6009]

I really want a randomized dungeon type of thing.

[@Opus_Fluke]

Great collaboration piece! Strikes me as more of a 50+ solo dungeon at the moment. Maybe needs instancing with harder sections through doors with a boss dropping the key. As ever meh for now but there's potential there.

[@boardeddie]

Was expecting something like the dungeon in blades

[@boliver19601]

I did the quest after it was nuked. Still did it solo but it’s a great place to farm after nuking. Lots of legendaries.

[@villings]

the funny part is how norespawns sounds younger than he is and finalrender is-- well I don't know how old he is. nevermind then, movin' on

[@Bazz_COD]

More of this Davey!

[@WafflesAlwaysWin]

Damn a crossover episode

[@lorithavon]

It's better if you nuke it first. We did that tonight. Pretty good fun.

[@MalkolmDahlen]

Nice video. I nuked the burrows and it was full of 3 star glowing gouls. You should try!

[@TheSneakiGyraffe]

Where can I find your weapon build?

[@GaudiaCertaminisGaming]

Well. If you’ve got weapons that can one-shot most anything and top-notch armour then it’s not going to be a challenge, is it? I did this yesterday and teamed up with a random player (first time ever). He was 50 I'm 72 and we both got creamed multiple times. It took over an hour to finish. I even had to resort to power armour for the first time in ages. I normally just use Civil War gear to make things more interesting. When we got to the pump room it was littered with the paper bags of other players. In hindsight, this is a straightforward quest, but doing it for the first time is pretty exciting.

[@norespawns]

thing is I dont have those things, it's very okay- a dungeon is meant to be part of 'end game' content, so the idea is that you gear up for it and then run it (ideally several of them) to gear you up for raids. A dungeon should be - or traditionally has been - something that would be physically impossible for one or two people to do.

[@GaudiaCertaminisGaming]

norespawns Well your axe was taking everything down with one swipe and you said in the video that you thought anyone who hadn't prepped their armour properly might suffer. I also think you're using an oddly specific definition for 'dungeon'. I only ever think of a dungeon as any confined space that has its own loading screen. To me the Hornwright Industrial HQ building is a 'dungeon'. And was this ever touted as 'end game' content?

[@norespawns]

No, I said someone who hadn't even considered their gear might suffer, like my first character who even found some quests impossible - someone with middling/average gear would likely be fine. And I'm not being 'oddly specific' - dungeons/raids are a very well established thing. Hence the confused reaction to this dungeon by the wider community. Heck, I'm the guy who avoids mentioning negatives around the game, and even I'm surprised. These aren't dungeon enemies - that's what I'm getting at. If you play an MMO/watch a video of someone playing one - you'll see. Questing/world enemies are meant to be solo-able. A dungeon/raid enemy is buffed to a point where it would be almost impossible to solo one, let alone a group, regardless of gear.

[@GaudiaCertaminisGaming]

norespawns From my point of view you’re in hair splitting territory now. Try to avoid the semantics and try to take a broader view. Just because the term 'dungeon' means something particular to you it doesn’t follow that it it does, or should, mean the same to anyone else. I've already given you my basic definition, which, I think, is held by many. The Burrows is a fun adventure that even I, as a level 72 player, found quite tough. It’s hubris to suggest that it *has* to be some kind of ultimate 'end game' challenge. And I don’t recall Bethesda ever suggesting it was. I don’t think it even appeared on the roadmap.

[@tonytheboss3665]

YOU LOVE THIS SPOT TO BUILD YOUR HOME.HAHAH

[@lindaschmidt1518]

If you did all the notes and console's it would've taken longer and added 2 side quests , adding to your playtime

[@ZeroFoxFK]

Very nice!

[@oneisalwaysnearer]

look like a beginner intro dungeon

[@thesarcasticsettler252]

The dungeon doesn't really need to be harder, melee just needs to be nerfed to a sensible level.

[@norespawns]

it literally has fewer enemies than Whitespring does

[@thesarcasticsettler252]

@@norespawns irrelevant, 1 or 100 means nothing if you can one-hit kill anything you encounter before it can hit you.

[@norespawns]

not irrelevant at all - this was sold as a dungeon, but literally has the same enemies as a non-dungeon area - except fewer. They should make these 'dungeon' versions of enemies, like other multiplayer games do, rather than just nerf characters.

[@psykergirl3615]

Instead of hitting the fun things with a nerf bat, they could just give us higher level tougher enemies.

[@thesarcasticsettler252]

making melee even more the "one true way" than it already is. which is my point that the dungeon isn't really at fault, it is the symptom of the root problem: the massive disparity between melee and firepower. By making the enemies higher level you are simply pushing ranged more and more towards breaking point * unless you power creep that towards melee levels. Then the rest of the game offers nothing.

[@santiagogarcia6442]

No lie I found 4fusion core down there but for lengenders I only found 2 and they weren't good ones.