Fallout Talk - Did Bethesda Ruin The Deathclaws?

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Did Bethesda ruin the Deathclaws?
The Fallout series features the reptilian apex predator. The Deathclaw originally appeared in Fallout 1 and has been in every single game since then becoming an important part of the Fallout-verse. While they have never been the center-piece, they play an important role as a people.
With differing developers after the buyout, how much has Bethesda changed the ghouls that were originally developed by Black Isle.
Let's look at just how much the Deathclaws have changed.

[@Torlik11]

The deathclaw at the begining of Fallout 4 wasn't there to be a hook for players, it was there to be a hook for games critics. The whole begining until that point was the part they showed at E3. That was also about as far as most critics would play before writing their articles.

[@siggybuttbrain7026]

Atleast someone gets it.

[@siggybuttbrain7026]

@An Angry Space Marine that’s like saying, “I don’t get why car manufacturers care what dealerships think” it’s fucking obvious.

[@Torlik11]

@An Angry Space Marine I see 2 main reasons for why the dev care about critics. First, it's a lot easier to promote and sell a game with good review. Most people have a limited budget and if I have to chose between a game with a score of 75 and one with a score of 90, I'll probably go for the latter. Second reason, if you never heard of it, I suggest you take a look at what happened to New Vegas. Even if the game was a big success, Obsidian never recieved the bonus they were supposed to from Bethesda because the game scored too low. The game scored a 84 when Bethesda required a 85. It can litterally make the difference between life and death for small developers. It suck but that's how the industry is right now.

[@connorllewellyn6289]

@@Torlik11 the bonus story is bullshit and stop fucking spreading it.

[@Torlik11]

@@connorllewellyn6289 first, no need to be rude and second, every sources I find confirm the story so I'm curious to know where you get that info.

[@1lostmuffin515]

The deathclaws in New Vegas are the reason I never walk north out of Goodsprings. Them and Cazadores are the most terrifying animals in the Mojave to me

[@shawnmarcum8078]

And you encounter cazadors going northwest, and you encounter deathclaws going north. Right at the start heh.

[@tannersrdr2clips432]

North and cut through black moutain = safe

[@MrDj232]

I hate Cazadores. Hands down the enemy to kill me the most in New Vegas.

[@CATELlegend1]

you can either explode cars in order to damage them or use mines to cripple their legs. hope this helps

[@zanethompson3191]

@@MrDj232 they really aren't that bad if you have anti poison options in your inventory. And I play on very hard in hardcore mode. But then again I mainly use unarmed and shotgun builds which are ridiculously OP even at mid level.

[@goblinfacegraphics2298]

Like dragons in Skyrim, Deathclaws are simply devalued through saturation. Bethesda just likes gorging on too much of a good thing. In Skyrim the dragons just became pests rather than the mythical beings intended. Couldn't take two steps without getting interrupted with one. Same here; Deathclaws should be kept special in order to maintain the scare factor.

[@Darkinu2]

Yes, exactly.

[@FreebirthBoccara]

they can be both mythical creatures of legend and a pest. there is literally a dragon God going around resurrecting all of the dead dragons.. so that means every dragon that ever lived is back at once. not just the final generation of them.. all of them. of course there would be a lot of them.

[@Eli-akad]

@@FreebirthBoccara lore doesn’t change the fact that too much of a good thing is bad

[@josephbolton5893]

I still remember my first time running across a deathclaw in F3. I was still early level so i died my first few attempts. Then i kited it out by using the mines i had collected from that one town and a scoped magnum.. Man, that was ages ago... Also on your point on the over saturation of legendary things, Getting power armor so early on in F4 really killed my enjoyment of the game. I have yet to finish the main story or do any of the dlcs. Yet I have done so on the previous two fallouts multiple times.

[@shathaan1763]

@@josephbolton5893 what? you can't even use the armor with fusion cores anyway, what are you talking about, that eas just a scripted scene, after that you wont get to see a deathclaw in a while or be able to use that power armor...

[@lihac5079]

I won't forget spending 2 hours trying to take out the deathclaw nest in Boneyard in Fallout 1 with a mid level build. To me the deathclaws in the classic fallouts will seem the most threatening.

[@scalycoronet5198]

Eh, once you get power armor you become super OP and steamroll them. Deathclaw Packs in NV are the most threatening to me, because they’re all over the place and hit hard regardless of your armor and level

[@calebreynolds9183]

@Eren Noman I take out Rawr every playthrough. Pop some slasher and you can two shot him with Medicine Stick. I haven’t even done Dead Money yet- I just really like playing Caravan

[@KuroKumo361]

@@calebreynolds9183 yeah Low-mid level they’re deadly but when you grab better gear or get the flare gun it becomes a cake walk especially with some chems

[@calebreynolds9183]

@@KuroKumo361 I had Medicine Stick before level 14. That being said, if I didn’t have it I would’ve been paste

[@calebreynolds9183]

@Conor Driscoll oh dear lord. There’s another train station theyre at, there’s dead wind cavern, the unmarked location “death claw promontory” and then they’re in the Lonesome Road DLC

[@vyacheslav4217]

All enemies become rather weak when you reach endgame. You could expect a challenge on higher difficulties, but in Todd's mind harder means making enemies into bullet sponges. And even then its easy when you get PA and endgame weapons.

[@mikeg3283]

* cries in .308 casings *

[@komiks42]

I mean... how else you mage the enemy harder? Giving him better AI? Thats pretty expensive

[@vyacheslav4217]

@@komiks42 You increase the damage enemies do. That way players are forced to come more prepared for each fight/use consumables which are plenty in FO4/use the cover mechanic/devise special tactics like luring enemies into mines or taking a few out with sniper shots before charging in

[@komiks42]

@@vyacheslav4217 I'm pretty sure the enemies hit harder on very hard

[@vyacheslav4217]

@@komiks42 you are right about that, but my initial comment still applies because even on survival difficulty when you get to level 20+ , you still become a tanky unstoppable killing machine. They should've made enemies hit even harder. Otherwise there is no point in introducing higher difficulties

[@daraghkennedy3994]

Another great video man. I think FO4s deathclaw should have been introduced in that museum of witchcraft section where you can steal its egg. That was mad scary and would have served as a better introduction than the opening.

[@goblinfacegraphics2298]

You read my mind!

[@weirdwalrus5757]

They should’ve made it the only deathclaw in the game. It would be a nice little reference without putting the same goddamn 10 enemies in every game

[@weirdwalrus5757]

@Huppo10 that game made it so easy to kill deathclaws though. They dodged and they were never in packs of 3-5 like they were in 1 2 3 and New Vegas

[@weirdwalrus5757]

@Huppo10 I love nuka world and the world is so good, it’s sucks that the story is really short and 1 sided

[@eduardo7677]

@@weirdwalrus5757 I'll break any argument about difficulty. Grab the YCS 186, go to quarry junction. Climb on top of the old machinery, the deathclaws are not programmed to go there. You can take your time snipping the whole nest, completely safe. I really dislike when in videos people go against "tough" enemies using the most dead brain strategies, instead of taking basic tactical choices to exploit their weaknesses. It's a melee enemy! Stop standing there waiting for it to run at you! But yeah, I do think the deathclaws in 4 could stay close and personal more often.

[@Carbonated404]

I've always just considered the deathclaws in Fallout 4 to be a different species of deathclaw due to the slight difference in color and appearance.

[@thegoodmudkip3652]

Same with me. My headcanon is that the classic Deathclaws from Fallouts 1 and 2 are called "California Rippers" by wastelanders. Haven't thought up a name for the versions seen in 3 and 4 though.

[@WrathKing47]

@@thegoodmudkip3652 What about "Boston Butchers" as a name for the deathclaws in Fallout 4?

[@siggybuttbrain7026]

@@WrathKing47 Washington rakers?

[@WrathKing47]

@@siggybuttbrain7026 That's a good name too.

[@binge-ington6115]

Друг

[@Dexidouos]

I feel the only enemy I was truly threatened by in fallout 4 were ironically rad scorpions in base game they could harass you so easily and you couldn't really cheese them

[@evilclown019]

dude i remember absolutely demolishing radscorpions in fallout 3 with the chinese officers sword, though the giant ones were always tougher. in Fo4, HOLY SHIT. my first encounter with a scripted one under a shack beneath an overpass wrecked me at a low-mid level.

[@CaseSet236]

I remember that my first encounter scared the shit out of me

[@DamnedSilly]

Yeah, but they cheat with that annoying underground teleport they do. Move around underground, fine. Cross a hundred yards underground and pop out directly behind you in about a second? WTF?

[@ElliFong]

Fallout 4 rad scorpions are fucking broken, they can just teleport burrow behind you and get a cheap shot behind you. If you get on top of a roof or even solid ground? Doesn't matter they do the same shit anyway

[@arandomcommenter412]

@@ElliFong * Teleports behind you * nothing personal kid

[@waffleblitzkrieg1765]

I honestly think that intelligent death claws should come back its really interesting to see how cultures develope in non human species

[@DJWeapon8]

In a similar vein. Super mutants shouldn't be hostile by default and can be talked to. They're clearly intelligent. Bethesda just makes them act like orks in an eternal bloodrage because "action game."

[@JJ-tc5tt]

​@@DJWeapon8 There's stupid mutants act like orcs because they are not the first gen super mutants. Only mutants created by the master have inteligence like human. To be Intelligent mutant like in fo1, subject should have little to no exposure to radiation, and not be contaminated by mutated FEV, and exposed to pure FEV. But yes, Bethesda being too lazy to come up with a new enemy for the east part and reuse them is just outright stupid.

[@hondshoven8477]

@@JJ-tc5tt Meh, gen 2 mutants (like Tabitha) seem smart enough, even if they're a bit crazy. The "dumb mutants" thing always felt to me like someone at Bethesda started reading a point by point summary of Fallout 1. Once they saw super mutants they didn't bother reading and just went "dumb orks, got it !"

[@MomDoer-qc7iw]

Implying Bethesda cares about fallout lore building They bought fallout to make money, not because they actually care about the lore (like they do with elder scrolls)

[@JJ-tc5tt]

@@hondshoven8477 yeah I agree

[@xXFoxyGrandmaXx]

The fact that they're not in packs in 4 and 76 urks me, like why? It would make them that much more formidable especially if they ignore Armor like they're supposed to

[@internetperson335]

They don't need to be in packs realistically speaking, plus it's a bit more balanced gameplay wise

[@nokachi3339]

@@internetperson335 no

[@micahfrye8885]

@@internetperson335 no unbalanced games are the best it makes things much harder. I dont like fighting human npcs and shooting them 500 times but i hate fighting a giant monster that should be feared by everyone but just killing it with 5 shots. Far harbor has some scary creatures in it

[@xXFoxyGrandmaXx]

@@micahfrye8885 Fog Crawlers were a legit threat, especially the Boss one that scaled to your level, damn!

[@pyroparagon8945]

@@internetperson335 "realistically" doesn't need to be the case, because deathclaws aren't natural animals. They could've been selectively genetically modified to prefer other deathclaws to make them more useful in war. "squad tactics"

[@Anchor-Supreme]

The fact that we’ve been to both the east and west coasts of the U.S. and we still see the same creatures like Super Mutants and Deathclaws is ridiculous. Like, give me some mutant foxes, giants killer rabbits, or something new.

[@GamesTwiceOver]

I've always wanted an attack rabbit as a companion. See a raider taken down by Little Bunny Fufu. 10/10 experience

[@brxken_samurai8530]

@@GamesTwiceOver that kinda reminds me of the killer rabbit That destroy the knights lol.

[@jehovasabettor9080]

A sort of a giant snake would be nice too, or perhaps even better a giant sandworm, like in that Tremors movie. With a devastating melee attack, but only limited to "soft" ground, so the player must jump from one rock to another, forcing the thing to show up for its ranged attack, some sort of acid spit. Giant vultures, that would swoop down for a surprise attack if player is low on health and then retreat if not succeeded. Antlion-like ambush predators with an ability to incapacitate someone who's not paying attention. In fallout framework anything goes.

[@Ordoabchao-x9k]

and if you didn't have them you would be complaining too because bethesda doesn't care about classic creatures and blah blah. ironic how much fallout fans hate the games, makes you believe fo4 and 3 are far worse than fucking ride to hell

[@ieatmice751]

But don’t you want to fight the classic fallout enemies, see them remastered in three-D Fallout fans are such snobs

[@DominatorLegend]

I think part of the problem also stems from how NV introduced these tougher versions of the Deathclaw in the Alpha Male, Mother and Legendary variants; while FO4 didn't really capitalized on that, giving them just the same leveling system for all other critters. In NV the Legendary Deathclaw is seen as this dreaded final boss type character, while in FO4 it just means it's got "better gear", like comparing an early game Skyrim bandit with a late game one and seeing how they go from Iron Armor to better ones. I dunno, maybe that's just me.

[@PristianoPenaldoSUIIII]

I like NV's approach. Even regular deathclaws are terrifyingly strong and just 1 will probably kill you during the early and probably mid-game

[@smoothiedude5919]

On nv just orbital strike that bitch

[@anafu-sankanashi8933]

See's legendary deathclaw in quarry junction. Loads explosive rounds into anti material rifle.

[@hondshoven8477]

That and making you kill a deathclaw so early in 4 kills any intimidation factor they have. I remember laughing when hours later, Bethesda threw a quest my way where they try to make a Deathclaw an horror movie monster... Like dude, I've already killed 5,why should I be scared ?

[@tylercoon1791]

‘Legendary Deathclaw is seen as this dreaded final boss type character’ *laughs in Legendary Bloatfly*

[@grilledcheesinator55]

I just wanna see new monsters, man (Edit) I am aware that there were new monsters introduced in 76, most of them aren't very interesting and belong to a...less than desirable game, but yes they have a lot of new monsters.

[@jjjjjj2139]

We kinda did in fo76 but the new ones don't spawn often enough to matter like the bee monster could've been the new yao guai

[@Chris_Tootoo]

Just imagine an avian creature haunting the wastes, all we see are little diseased birds but what about vicious giant vultures catching mole rats bloatflys, and following behind in fresh kills of Deathclaws.

[@DaBigPig265]

GATORCLAW

[@grilledcheesinator55]

@@DaBigPig265 that's just a deathclaw but uglier :(

[@nettleleaves8224]

Why could obsidan put several new monsters in fnv while Bethesda did almost nothing new for 3&4

[@JelloDonatello]

The Deathclaws’ models were based off Tarrasque? I see the resemblance now. It’s unbelievable that I never made the connection or even knew about this.

[@Lettucem3n]

They sure as hell ain’t invincible tho

[@LecherousLizard]

There are two sides of the story. One says they were (Scott Campbell, one of designers for Fo1 and Fo2 plus Chris Avellone through Fallout Bible) and the other says not really (Chris Taylor, the LEAD designer for Fo1). In this case I'd take the word of the lead designer on it, but then Fo1 and Fo2 deathclaws do look pretty similar to Tarrasque from 2e DnD. But then, they were meant to be mammals in the first place, so the Fallout Tactics deathclaw designs is actually much closer to what they initially wanted for Fo1.

[@TheTendermen]

I think in 4, they would've be seen as more scary if we weren't given PA and fight one in the first 10 minutes of the game. They should've been more reserved for mid-late game locations, traveled more in packs, not given power armour in the first 10 minutes so if you do run into one at low level you have a terrifying time dealing with it.

[@jaybeck3803]

Ruined may be a bit much. I definitely think Bethesda did oversaturate their games with them, much like the Brotherhood and Super Mutants. Despite starting the series with Fallout 3, looking back I would have much rather had the Yao Guai be the "boss" animal of at least the Capital Wasteland.

[@nighthorder6542]

I completely agree. Yao Guai should have been the biggest, scariest animal in the Capital Wasteland, and I'd argue the stronger variants of the Mirelurks should have been the biggest, scariest animal in the Commonwealth.

[@pyroparagon8945]

@@nighthorder6542 it would've been better thematically. Every main region should have a boss monster based off of their wildlife and lore. Mariposa has super mutants, New England should have crustaceans like lobster and crab. Forested areas should have Yao Guai

[@jaybeck3803]

@@nighthorder6542 I'm all for that idea.

[@shawnmarcum8078]

You mean like they're stronger because they adapted to an area? Good lore explanation. In Florida, deathclaws would be the strongest because of tropical and hot environments.

[@pyroparagon8945]

@@shawnmarcum8078 we know, as of fallout 4, Gatorclaws exist. I don't know how they'd get from Nuka World to Florida, but thematically that'd be a winner.

[@raziyatheseeker]

Honestly, I feel that despite oversaturation, Deathclaws were done well in the post-Black Isle games. In Fallout 1, to me they were dangerous but with the right tools and tactics you could deal with them. They are the most dangerous in a direct fight in New Vegas, where I'd rarely lived to survive one. But Fallout 4's still don't mess around, especially if they get close and you find one too early. Thaaaaat said, I do kinda miss that they were urban legends and veritable cryptids in the original game. It is what it is, especially after the sequel.

[@mechanomics2649]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. You can't just come in here with a reasonable take like this. This's the internet. It just ain't right.

[@GeteMachine]

Fallout 3 handled it better, you almost never saw a Deathclaw until very late in the game in the outskirts of the map, which made sense. NV only changed things by having Deathclaws there at all times but were a level cap to stay away from then. Bethesda clearly misunderstood what NV did which wasn't necessarily better than what Fallout 3 did with them.

[@octodaddy877]

I had to sneak by the Deathclaws to get to the Great Khan encampment at Quarry Junction, and it was tense as shit because I was pretty underleveled at that point. Speaking of, how tf did the Khans get into quarry junction in the first place? Anyways, I feel like they were more of an active threat in Fallout 4 because, while a bit weaker, could show up randomly while in New Vegas if you just didn't go to one location you didn't have to worry about them.

[@LecherousLizard]

Fallout Tactics deathclaws though. They are generally smart enough to talk with, so there's that avenue, but they can absolutely rip you apart when they get a jump on you and because they are intelligent... imagine a deathclaw sneaking up on you for a brushy-brushy "Nothing personel, kid" moment.

[@Subject_Keter]

I literally just spray "Super heated Water" on them when they get all uppity, plasma flamers are good for keeping your death dogs in line.

[@DamnedSilly]

Like a lot of stuff, the core of most complaints is they feel like they're there because it's a Fallout game. They just are. No stories, no particular areas or interesting twists. Fallout has deathclaws, ghouls and radscorpions. There they are. Here, we'll put them all over the place so you can't miss them. Fallout, right?

[@mage_43]

I finally managed to play (and beat) New Vegas and I'd say they didn't but they're just "easier" to fight in 4 then New Vegas, although that's mainly because of all the upgrades you can give your equipment and the legendaries. But aside from that I do like how the ones from 4 act in combat compared to New Vegas

[@weirdwalrus5757]

In 4 they act like complete retards and it makes you undervalue them. There is nothing scarier than the sight of a NV deathclaw bolting at you from across the map

[@DJWeapon8]

@@weirdwalrus5757 this. 3 and NV deathclaws don't give a shit and just *run straight at you.* If in 4 feral ghouls and deathclaws exchanged behaviors, it'd be perfect. Feral ghouls are somewhat fragile and stumble around making them hard to hit targets but can overwhelm you with their numbers. Deathclaws have thick hides and armor like scales and just rush you tanking any damage you give it.

[@gorkzop]

I had the enclave power armor and a social energy weapon, a pack of them where really really challenging ( on hard probably)

[@TheLastRegnadian]

Deathclaws need to be treated like swan, just a rare badass mini boss that you’d rather avoid. I love the way they act in 4 but they could’ve been way stronger if you weren’t meant kill one as early as you want.

[@kevingipe8242]

The point of deathclaws is to be the biggest baddest scariest monsters in the wasteland that- even if you’re a relatively high level if you’re not absolutely completely prepared for them- will wreck you without a second thought

[@WhiteWeaseI]

I like the _design_ of fallout 4's deathclaw a lot. I think fallout 4 deathclaws being "cinematic" is the bane of their overall threat level. Them pointlessly running around is just there to allow you some breathing room in combat. If they just piled on and wailed on you without letting up, or resorting to those "tactics" when they couldn't take you out the conventional way, they'd be a very different story. The first encounter being a "scripted" boss fight also makes them appear not a tough as they are as they give you pretty powerful gear to deal with it, giving you a cheap victory.

[@octodaddy877]

The Deathclaw rubbing dirt around in the middle of the fight is SUPER DUMB, but I kinda like how it'll duck and weave towards you or get low to the ground to cover its belly. It's much more realistic than them booking it towards you bipedally, and also shows how they've adapted to fighting people with guns. I agree with your other points though.

[@brysonkuervers2570]

@@octodaddy877 Yeah seeing them actually try to protect the vulnerable parts of their bodies while trying to dodge and maneuver around your bullets was really cool. The only issue is they do it too much and either need a faster animation or to attack the player more frequently rather than dodging

[@thelimit69]

I'm so early, it's not even HD yet. But anyway, I don't think they're ruined. They just feel weak, but FO4's character is super OP like that. I don't remember any challenging enemy other than a behemoth early on.

[@primary2630]

I think the only things that really hit me hard was at like level 60 I ran into a super tough legendary sentry bot and I was one of the closest fights that took like half my ammo and all my stims, and this was at level 60 when I was STACKED, but also mobs are bullet sponges Edit: assaultrons also slap at every level

[@cadetri9716]

They aren't challenging for the rest of the game, either. Under virtually no circumstances except for the beginning of the game are you forced to confront a Deathclaw in any meaningful way. Unlike NV which uses their presence on long-15 serious deterrent and means of world-building

[@Kurogumo]

Fucking Assaultrons remain a pain in my ass

[@watermelon5896]

@@Kurogumo lmao literally

[@watermelon5896]

Maybe try survival ? Once you get the kick of it , it’s not too difficult tho most high levelled enemy can be incredibly hard to kill at times

[@lostbutfreesoul]

Just another casualty of the 'level based threat' system....

[@beach9131]

Yeah

[@bumblebabble18]

Personally I adore the Fallout 4 Deathclaw design. Even if they are kinda weak late game, the way they move, charge, slash, and roar is just so cool.

[@SaltCane]

They can look cool but they play terribly. All talk, no bite. It's even worse.

[@CaseSet236]

I really like the quantum deathclaw, it's a shame it was cut from nuka world

[@hmad898]

Agreed, just wish they were stronger

[@LecherousLizard]

@@SaltCane Yeah, all of the threat to them is basically the OHK finisher they do on you if you don't wear power armor.

[@Ant-jr8ty]

@@SaltCane smash cut to me knocking out all the deathclaws in the quarry alone with nothing but golden boxing gloves and maxxed skilled.

[@shreksnow1918]

Personally I like the way the Fallout 4 Deathclaws look because they’re these weird raptor dragon looking things. Although, I do agree that they were weak, and should be strong. This makes me think about the arguments for the Halo Brutes. On one side of the fence there are people who want them to be these strong ape-rhinos that actively hunt you down (I’m in this camp). While some other people like them to be like they were in 3 where they were basically bootleg Elites, fill the officer role, and are easier to deal with. Both are fun, but the Halo 2 versions were the best.

[@caseyhall2320]

Dude, Halo 2 is my personal favorite of the franchise so I'm kinda in agreement with you there, haha. The Halo 2 brutes are legit difficult to fight if you don't have a precision weapon. They just feel cooler, and actually brutish. Granted, I actually wouldn't mind fighting different brute groups/tribes where one resembles the Halo 2 brutes and the other resembles Halo 3's. Best of both worlds kind of thing. Spicing it up.

[@kauske]

I never liked the visual look of 2's brutes, they seemed like bootleg chewbaccas. But I'm not a fan of the rhino-man design from 3 on either, and the massive sudden change is just jarring, it's even worse when reach used halo 3 style brutes too, it just makes the lore a total mess. Doubly hate that they also retconned things so that Cortana wasn't lying about the covvies 'beating' them to halo. I stopped paying attention to halo after reach, I played 4, but it just lacked the charm of what came before, while reach was passible, but had multiplayer that was too much like COD MWF.

[@hllyenaylleth9576]

@@kauske Ah, the Covenant, have faster ships. Secondly, maybe the Brutes changed, due to all the horrible things that had happened during to two, that they weren't as ready to fight anymore.

[@kauske]

​@@hllyenaylleth9576 In the original canon the covenant were already at Halo, Cortana was supposed to pick a random trajectory to escape reach, but instead she used coordinates from an artifact that Chief and his squad brought back that the covvies were studying. Cortana totally lies about this fact in the opening, saying that the covvies are faster, and her maneuvering options were limited. But because she's a smart AI, she was able to disobey direct orders because she was curious what was at the coordinates. In the OG canon the Arbiter was nowhere near reach, and was on a direct mission to Halo and their meeting with the pillar of autumn was serendipitous because of Cortana's choice. That was retconned away.

[@turkeygod6665]

I miss the bigfoot brutes :( I played through 3 and never liked the brutes, design wise anyways. Always just looked like just beefy humanoids to me.

[@dettlaffvandereretein4251]

Playing 4 and running into a deathclaw just doesn't give the same terror as Old Olney or Quarry Junction. Literally have to install a hand full of mods for deathclaws in 4 to make it even comparable. Tbh the uncanny 2 legged sprint of 3 and NV was more unnerving then realistic quadra pedal of 4.

[@unoriginalperson72]

The fallout 4 deathclaws are absolutely bastardized.

[@arandomcommenter412]

Yeah, I like the deathclaws animations but god, they were introduced WAY too early.

[@femmemachete]

Old Olney was scary as hell. In my game, the human corpses there blinked.

[@ieatmice751]

@@unoriginalperson72 they’re better than janky dnd monsters with shitty textures in the previous games Early fallout game fans are such fucking snobs, they think improvements(changes) means that they’re ruined When their experiences and feelings for the games are based only on nostalgia and not the actual quality of the game

[@wienerguy7822]

Honestly, I don't have a big problem with deathclaws being more common in the new games. It makes sense to me that they'd be more common as they're basically a super predator with almost no threat to their survival except humans.

[@TheCrumpers53]

I agree. Apex predator that can breed non stop.

[@libertatemadvocatus1797]

Predators are still limited by the amount of their prey. I think from a storytelling point of view; they should be used sparingly.

[@SolusLupi]

Lonesome road in NV with the tunnelers brought up a horrifying plot concept I think would make a great spin off series. In that after all the years since the bombs mutated creatures are only just finalizing the new food chain, wamingos though mighty didn't propogate, Deathclaws though few and rare at first are spreading and growing in numbers as years go on, the tunnlers and possible other yet unknown nightmares are only ever so slowly expanding their territory. And humans just don't have the power armor, tanks, and heavy munitions industry or trained soldiers to cut back these growing threats. Say another 100 years the wasteland could very well be ruled by the claws with any travel outside of heavy armed convoy being suicide for humans.

[@DaManBearPig]

I get NV was amazing, but it has a straight up cult behind it where you're shunned if you say anything positive about FO4. I liked the design and behavior of 4's the most, but the damage of NVs was the best.

[@bafflingmoronfilms8772]

Yeah i don’t like how most people put it above criticism,my main problem with 4 is dialogue

[@Nova-vk5qb]

You're right. I'm a new vegas lunatic and have been since 2014 and everything in fallout 4 is visually repulsive to me

[@shawnmarcum8078]

Well I mean it's great if you want a really challenging fps rpg. Fallout 4 has base-building and good gun play. But NV has more polish and personality. Fallout 4 is still pretty good, but New Vegas is genius.

[@ieatmice751]

Fallout new Vegas really isn’t all that special tbh, people really love to stare at it through their rose-tinted ranger helmets

[@youforget1000thingsaday]

@@ieatmice751 New Vegas was a good game, y'all just don't know how to think without bethesda's balls in your throats. 4 was an awful fallout game. A mere cash grab. You can accept that or cope and seethe, lol.

[@kauske]

Visually, I'd say the ones from 4 are most imposing, and look like a real animal. Behaviour wise? Their AI can be eh at times. They certainly have room to be a bit more aggressive IMO. But for the higher level deathclaws? Those are the stuff of nightmares still, peeling you right out of power armour and sucking up bullets like nothing else. IMO the standard DC's in 4 are probably younger ones, not yet toughened up like matriarchs and the like. Also, there are a few places you can get multiple 'claws on you, but IMO it's too rare overall at higher levels. I'd love to slug it out with 4-5 at once. If you go for a stealth build, with an instigating weapon though? Literally nothing in fallout 4 is worth diddly. The ludicrous damage multiplier just blows up anything, especially using a rifle build with that armour penetration. Everything becomes trivial so long as you get the drop on it. As for talking DC's? I'd be for it, it's silly, but it's the right kind of silly for fallout IMO. *Edit:* Yeesh, the amount of triggered replies just because I mentioned that the fallout 4 model is anatomically better. Suck it up, the 3/NV models are missing important anatomical details. 4 visually improved on that without straying too far from the original, it's one of the few things Beth actually did well, so you can stop gatekeeping.

[@kauske]

@James Miller63 They still have to look like they can actually walk. The models of 3 and NV just look more awkward than anything else. They don't look like they should realistically be able to stand up with their spindly legs and weird huge toe-claws. Even if you engineer it, it has to follow functional anatomy. In an isometric game that spindly look wasn't too noticeable, they're always sorta hunched down. But in a first person 3d game they just end up looking gangly and a bit pathetic.

[@boxyboi5843]

Deathclaws in Fallout 4 speed wise whilst they do look imposing, you quickly figure out that due to you having the ability to run you can dodge nearly all of their attacks just by running, in new Vegas and fallout 3 that is an entirely different story.

[@kauske]

@James Miller63 Maybe take off the nostalgia goggles. The originals aren't scary because they wouldn't be able to hold themselves up, let alone cause any damage with those spindly arms. You sound like one of those people who's like 'dinosaurs aren't scary with feathers'. As if having feather's makes a tyrannosaurus less able to kill you with one chomp. The new deathclaw is the result of having someone adhere to actual workable physiology. It's like transitioning from those goofy upright t-rexes of the 1950's to the sleek, powerful predators that showed people what a t-rex should really be like that first graced the big -screen in jurassic park. If Bethesda improved one thing, it's the looks, hands down. They way they move, the build, it's far more bestial. Not like some kind of weirdly shambling thing that just leaps at you repeatedly like in 3 and NV or slowly walks towards you like in the isometric games.

[@kauske]

@@boxyboi5843 I had no trouble dodging them in 3 with a high agility build. They were also flimsy in 3, I just bounced around and shot them and they died fast. At least in 4 they have good DR, especially the higher tier ones. The grab attacks are pretty great too, but sadly under-used in vanilla. They went to all the effort of having a DC be able to pick up your PA and shake it about like a toy, but outside of the first encounter, it rarely happens. It's 99% an AI issue, grab yourself a deathclaw AI tweek and they are terrifying to fight, particularly ones that make them go in for the grab attack with lunges of high speed. Deathclaws and other NPCs can actually sprint, but rarely do so in fallout 4. Even with max agility, sprinting deathclaw can run you down in 4, if only it had the AI to use its arsenal better.

[@kauske]

@James Miller63 I'm not going to be afraid of a creature that can't even walk. The fact it moves at all is just plot convenience, it doesn't look the part of a fearsome predator _at all._

[@o_Tempp]

deathclaws being a scary demon spawn is the entire point of them. fallout 4 starting out with you killing the "toughest" monster in the series ruined the idea of deathclaws being supreme and powerful even for geared players. in fnv you are given the option to run straight to new vegas but there are death deathclaws by the quarry that will ruin your level 2 character.

[@themeanestkitten]

You had power armor and a mini gun for that fight.

[@TheTendermen]

@@themeanestkitten which is also a problem.

[@TheTendermen]

@@TonyBustaroni Yes it does especially in an RPG where the main game mechanics is starting out with a weak or minimal skilled character with minimal gear and working up to end game gear. Handing over mid-end game gear at the start of the game in order to fight what should be a mid-endgame enemy at level 2 isn't good game design.

[@cynicalfox190]

@@TheTendermen and very early on in 3 you get a fat man and kill a behemoth a even tougher enemy than a deathclaw. While one is earlier than the other they are both early game yet I don’t see an argument being made for that fight trivialising behemoths in fallout

[@TheTendermen]

@@cynicalfox190 I also would agree that Bethesda handed over a Fatman way to early, or given such a powerful weapon as a main quest reward at all.

[@oddtomato1049]

I have 2 reasons personally to why the Deathclaw in Fallout 4 is generally concidered weak. 1. They aggression was severely toned down, and certain attacks had been removed. You can easily run away from them, because when they are about to reach you they just halt in place and strike a standing attack. Quite a while ago i found a mod that added the missing attacks back to the base Deathclaw, before the mod existed only the Playable Deathclaw mod had access to these attacks The most prominent attack is a charge similar to a Ghoul that ends with them turning in the air and crushing you with their backs. 2. You get to fight a Deathclaw at the beginning of the game, which reduces your impression of them since you saw how easily thay are gunned down from what Fallout 4 conciders "Early Game Equipment"

[@serbuttsoffalot8492]

Early game equipment? You have T-45a power armor and a minigun.

[@sopadumacacoumadelicia5]

@@serbuttsoffalot8492 That's the problem in this case. That they give you a t45 and a minigun not 30 minutes outside of Vault 111.

[@oddtomato1049]

@@sopadumacacoumadelicia5 It wouldn't even matter if the T45 was removed, since Power Armor can be found EVERYWHERE on the map. It's hard going anywhere without gazing upon one of these conveniently well preserved tank-like bodysuits.

[@sopadumacacoumadelicia5]

@@oddtomato1049 Yeah, that's true

[@shalyarkh2633]

They were horrifying and way more stronger in fallout 3 & new Vagas the ones in fallout 4 weren't much they were visually looking cooler but got to give this credit in fallout 4 the mission were you have to find death claws eggs that was more like a Sci-fi horror movie now that was a really good mission and should've been been the first encounter with death claws fighting a huge scary monster in a close encounter

[@bobfty2680]

"Deathclaws are extremely weak in fallout 4" or or or maybe its because of the many op legendary weapons and builds in fallout 4? Explosive minigun, bleed weapons, crit builds etc.

[@TheBiggestChungus]

You can straight up tank the Concord deathclaw with minimum effort when you first start and you can do practically the same later on.

[@timmyturnner7623]

You can kill death claws with pipe rifles. Somehow they nerfed deathclaws but buffed their look

[@scorchercast8366]

Strong and weak are relative to what your comparing them to. By making the player op you make the deathclaws (and everything else for that matter) weak

[@Kleinerakker]

@@timmyturnner7623 even mama murphy killed one with a single bullet

[@timmyturnner7623]

@@scorchercast8366 I think it’s because it’s of the “more accessible” marketing games companies are going for these days, I often play on hard mode and deathclaws are never really “tuff” unless your put in a tight closed space with one at a low level.

[@pocketsand9989]

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[@lebyandsmartiel318]

I think I was understood the difference in my game when high level for things like FNV had me still killed even with end game loot while F4 had me running circles on deathclaws at level 5

[@GamesTwiceOver]

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[@Chris_Tootoo]

Just imagine an avian creature haunting the wastes, all we see are little diseased birds but what about vicious giant vultures catching mole rats bloatflys, and following behind in fresh kills of Deathclaws.

[@CWorm]

No.

[@thejugernautkiller390]

Game Twice you get the fallout 4 power armor barely scratching the surface, plus, any mid level person will often travel with one equipped unless they don't like how casual is fallout 4 or some random complain like that.

[@Zelkkor]

It's stuck in 360p for me

[@GamesTwiceOver]

@@Zelkkor Issue with KZbin. Usually they'll process the HD version a lot faster than this.

[@dracodarastrix4175]

There is a death claw pack in Fallout 4 that attacks as a group. It's north east of the map. There is a tower and if you go up and turn the siren an entire pack of death claws will come and wreck the raider camp nearby.

[@Aldritch9183]

Un grupo? La última que lo hice, solo me apareció un Alpha DeathClaw

[@GlaDi02]

Bethesda- No Fallout: New Frontier on the other hand...

[@laernulienlaernulienlaernu8953]

Well done for another very objective video and for dispelling the myth of the near-invincible Deathclaw from 1&2

[@jimfichter7246]

In FO 1 & 2 you're so weak at aiming that everything seems near-invincible ! 😂

[@Waldemarvonanhalt]

Deathclaws in FNV were genuinely difficult to deal with, unless you did something exploitative, like perch yourself somewhere outside of their range of vision.

[@arrayknight9691]

Tbh I mostly played new vegas. I played some of fallout 4 and beat fallout 3. I can 100% say with certainty that I fear the new vegas death claws out of them all. When A friend show me the death claws in one and two and how easily he beat them by just knocking them down it felt as if the myth of the death claw that was talked about in fallout 1 was a joke

[@drekbleh7081]

So that's why they're easy in fallout 4, they derp around instead of going for the kill like 3 and NV. Rather funny now that I think about it Officer: "Okay heres a sobriety test. I need you to walk in a straight line DC 3 & NV: "Can do officer!" DC 4: "(well shit)"

[@swapertxking]

i'll say that each region of the wasteland should have its *OWN* deathclaw variant... since we know from the first game that the Death Claw was a myth for the most part. Rumors about beasts that shred armor and leave not but the luckiest of survivors, could be interpreted by each region's own mutants.

[@adenmohd3390]

@@raziyatheseeker didn’t we get the GatorClaw in Nuka-World?

[@coolsceegaming6178]

At level 50 in Fallout: New Vegas with the best weapons and armour I still died a few times clearing the quarry. In Fallout 4 I just needed to hit up jet and pull out my shotgun.

[@lilithbrackemyre9294]

I think one of the biggest things that hurt deathclaws in fo4 is something that's actually nice to see for most other enemies. It's the anamations that they go through. In most games they just full send straight to you until they jump on top of you & take off your head. In 4 they stop & rawr & throw rocks & run in a big half circle toward you. And all of that works against deathclaws because all those give the player massive times to just bully them with a gauss rifle or whatever you use endgame.

[@lostnemesis]

I think for enemies New Vegas had the 3D deathclaws down packed they were very threatening even if you had a max level character you were probably going to cheese them with a sniper because if they hit you you were going to probably die. I haven't played through fallout 2 I've been working on the first one but I did watch some clips of the talking deathclaws which were kind of fun but they are supposed to be really deadly I don't know if Bethesda has gotten that yet.

[@lostnemesis]

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[@terreliv]

Not to be *That Guy*, but the term is down pat, not packed, AFAIK

[@lostnemesis]

@@terreliv .....FUCK I'VE BEEN SAYING IT WRONG MY WHOLE LIFE NOOOOOO

[@terreliv]

@@lostnemesis Malapropisms are a curse, man.

[@lostnemesis]

@@terreliv well....I can't change the comment now shit well I've learned that I've been fucking up that term of phrase my whole life well I just learned something new lol

[@ferret3423]

Personally, I like the fallout 4 Deathclaws more in most ways. The AI for them were poorly executed, they should be in small packs at times, and I really don't like the fact that you fight one 10mins into the game. My little headcanon for talking Deathclaws tho is that they bred with wild ones, ultimately bumping up the overall intelligence of the species before dying.

[@Chrispy1203]

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[@trueempty09]

I really been enjoying these type of videos. Been watching a lot recently. Is this the video essay format? Mini essay based on time

[@thescottishwookie7999]

No, Fallout: The Frontier ruined Deathclaws

[@christophercollins3632]

From a gameworld design standpoint, I prefer the build up of 1. The way they’ve done it in FoNV bothers me, because they’re used as fencing. They ring Goodspring’s northern exits, and block Primm Pass. Such an iconic enemy deserves more build up, but the player deserves to have a sporting chance when the time comes.

[@DevilIceHart]

Man imagine if the only deathclaw in Fallout 4 was the one in the witchcraft museum, that'd be so good

[@maximus4765]

Black isle: they hunt in packs. Bethesda: theyre reclusive and solitary Obsidian: I said, THEY HUNT IN PACKS. Bethesda: SOLITARY APEX PREDATORS

[@goattm2]

The Deathclaws in New Vegas are terrifying, especially their nest in that quarry near the start of the game. In Fallout 4 they wussed them up and made them way easier to kill.

[@vanguard1614]

They just look goofy in fallout 4, while the "monster of the wastes" part is still present, for me they never looked like "dragons". The entire dynamic was changed too, from an abomination capable of jumping and tearing you apart in the blink of an eye to a bulky monster with flashy attacks

[@ryzach6923]

Another gameplay change you didn't seem to mention is speed, Fallout 4 added the ability to sprint, which combined with 4's less aggressive deathclaw AI makes it significantly easier to kite the deathclaw from a safe range, whereas in 3 and NV it was pretty much guaranteed that it would catch up to you

[@skylordthe1st]

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[@bjarneclaesen1801]

Fallout 4 and 76 deathclaws look way better and are also much more fun to fight, outside of just doing that annoying jumping attack they behave much better now and have lots of unique moves that have special effects and animations on the player. they are simply more dynamic and fun to fight and look better. Other than that, they are certainly way to easy to fight compared to older games.

[@unoriginalperson72]

Fallout 3 and new Vegas deathclaws are way more scary because of their animation speed and how they're sped up.

[@thatsashameindeed3668]

Nah they look like plastic and too smooth, like a lot of things in fo4. Fo3/NV looked terrifiying with the pale eyes, mismatched teeth and long af claws, the only problem i have with these deathclaws is that they are skinny af. The fo4 deathclaw always takes too long to attack due to it doing so many static animations that you could easily kill them.

[@beanface7408]

3 and NV deathclaws go right for the kill, and they are way faster than you making it nearly impossible to outrun them. Which is what made them so scary. In 4 they seem to spend more time dancing around than trying to kill you. You can easily unload on them without getting hit.

[@richyrich6099]

I actually think that, overall, Fallout 1 and 2 didn't do Deathclaws *much* justice (outside of introducing and establishing it, obviously) while Fallout: New Vegas makes their existence a pivotal point in the plot, thus making them far more interesting. Think about it: in Fallout 1 and 2, the Deathclaw is a powerful semi-mythical monster that you can fight optionally. That's fine and all, but it makes sense for them to *not* be mythical considering they are the largest apex predator in the wasteland. They should be encountered at almost every turn and should be an ever-present danger, kinda like in Fallout 4 or New Vegas. Fallout: New Vegas's deathclaws are woven into the story of the game to begin with. The ones at Quarry Junction essentially halt the NCR's mineral supplies just through their existence and also block off a route of trade and travel to New Vegas, which coincidentally causes your Courier to (most likely) take the safer route east just to reach your main destination and thus causes the majority of the events you will encounter in your game. The Courier's first stops being Primm, NCR Internment Camp, Mojave Outpost, Novac? Indirectly caused by the deathclaws since, in-game and lore wise, it would be suicidal to just high-tail it northwest from Goodspring into deathclaw territory. In New Vegas, the existence of deathclaws have very tangible and understandable lore implications that influence the plot of the game and the way you are most likely to play it. In Fallout 4, 1 or 2? Not so much.

[@demonspawn5164]

Fallout 1 basically introduced deathclaws. Still it is potential threat that is in a beginning stage. In 2, well they are part of main story, talking deathclaw

[@smexghoul4889]

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[@LecherousLizard]

The thing with Hairy Deathclaws in Fallout Tactics is that the Warrior specifically happens upon and rescues the deathclaw matriarch (or maybe just _A_ deathclaw matriarch) who makes an alliance with Brotherhood and allows some of her brood to join their ranks. She in particular is pretty intelligent, but the rest of them are only just about smart enough to reason and communicate with. The deathclaws not belonging to her brood will still attack people on sight, just like regular deathclaws in other games. It's basically the same setup as with Fallout 2 intelligent deathclaws, except those in Tactics didn't get genocided to tie a loose end. So you can have deathclaws being a regular threat, but also have them fulfil other roles in the story, similar to how you have Marcus and his buddies and psychotic nightkin who just want to eat your liver.

[@_anomalocaris_]

Can I just say how satisfying the FO3 plasma goop animation is when he killed the Deathclaw? Even better than FO4

[@Nixter-Bean]

Did Bethesda ruin them no Did they make them weaker yes

[@kauske]

Maybe for the average deathclaw, but the rarer variants are still nightmarish if you don't have a weapon with armour penetration. They are bullet sponges and hit hard enough to shred power armour right off you in just a few hits.

[@tj_ruckus2112]

It makes sense to me that they have become more common as years go on. No natural predators in the waste to challenge them ass the alpha predator. In the first game they should be rare and "mythic" like, but just like the lion, eventually we know of this animal, learn of it's behavior, study it and it becomes just another classified animal. The legends get replaced with knowledge. Honestly, I think it would be great in future titles of the game, if you find people wanting to protect them, as people do to wolves nowadays. Would just make sense.

[@SaltCane]

When you actually look into deathclaws, they're extremely intelligent. Some are capable of advanced speech and comprehension. They're not just mindless monsters and predators.

[@internetperson335]

@@SaltCane The intelligent ones went extinct, they are and will be mindless beasts forever and evermore.

[@SaltCane]

@@internetperson335 I said capable, not currently. They're technically capable of it but are just not taught.

[@farcy3insanitymeme]

Not to mention Power Armor is a very easy find in Fallout 4, which makes Deathclaw fights trivial. You get a set of T45, a minigun, and a bunch of ammo within the first 15 minutes to kill one.

[@politikz8128]

Fo3 and NV deathclaws looked kinda funny and I thought they were too skinny. They run weird with their arms spread and have these caveman looks on their face. Fo4 did them pretty well, visually and in combat. I like how they’re “tougher” and move more like a reptile. They should be like rare bosses, like the dragons in Skyrim.

[@AddisonFairweather]

>Dragons in skyrim. >Rare.

[@nat040496]

Fallout 4 greatly improved the visual design of deathclaws (and power armor and super mutants and the series as a whole) but they made them way too easy and appear way too early in the game.

[@Nova-vk5qb]

"Improved" visual design is very subjective.

[@ieatmice751]

@@Nova-vk5qb shut up They improved everything, the textures the design, the behaviour

[@InhabitantOfOddworld]

@@ieatmice751 I would disagree. I think ghouls, for one, look worse in 4 than they did previously. The only real improvement is how the power armor looks

[@Dawg.Wit.]

@@ieatmice751 Nah, context is a factor, deathclaws are a pack animal, not a giant dragon thing.

[@Acirno]

In 4, there is the random encounter where 2 spawn, and I have seen it happen with another Death Claw near by, and when they turn and look at you it is a bit scarry if your not ready.

[@Mazillion]

I love how the behavior of the fallout 4 deathclaws is animated, although it does make them easier to fight sometimes.

[@unoriginalperson72]

Fallout 3 and new Vegas super mutants and deathclaws will be more scary to me just because of how fast they move

[@HobeyDator]

Bethesda doesnt need to get rid of super mutants, Deathclaws, Ghouls for their future games. Because those things are one of the icons of Fallout series despite playing a small role in story. Its like taking out the Cyberdemon and Imp from Doom and still call it Doom without the cyberdemon.

[@demonic_myst4503]

No its not well ghouls maybe but super mutants were meant to be a local issue throwing the, in everything is same as throwing bottlecaps in 3 despite them only really being valuable in 1

[@ieatmice751]

@@demonic_myst4503 so? Bethesda made them valuable somewhere else. Which means they are. That’s just how it is People act like the bombs only fell on the west coast when in reality society got fucked across the entire country. The FEV virus isn’t just a “local issue”, because it was developed by the US government and other groups Also there is a 100 year gap between fallout 1 and 4. You think no supermutants or customs from other wastelands would interact with each other? Interplay fanboys really are close minded

[@magicman3163]

My dream job is to remake Fallout Tactics Brotherhood as a Doom-Like shooter with iD software making it fix the lore keep the cool BoS power armor and make a DLC called Fallout Tactics Enclave it will operate kinda like the decepticon campaign in Fall of Cybertron where it will take place before or after the brotherhood campaign

[@zakthewack]

Damn you got a sponsor now? Congrats man, glad you're growing as a content creator.

[@Hamji]

In fallout 4 deathclaws have a weak point on their belly, they run around weirdly trying to cover their belly so you can't hit it because if they just stand straight like in 3 and nv you could just hit them repeatedly in the weak point

[@THS_UH66]

With 76, yes. Maybe Fallout 4. Saying this before watching the video, providing an untainted opinion. The master changed Deathclaws to serve his purposes, so they weren't as the military made them. The Deathclaws appear to remain the same up to New Vegas, fair enough. But they appear to be all over the wasteland. I wouldn't believe they could become so widespread in such a short time. Fallout 4s Deathclaws were obviously very different. Now, you could think that these Deathclaws are without the manipulation of the master, but he had a hold of all of them to my understanding, so these Deathclaws would have been subjected to the same manipulation as the others, and it is unlikely (though possible) that he used different methods on different packs, and probably would have offed the failures. And then Fallout 76, they're the same as Fallout 4, which causes a serious problem, with the master not having had his fun with them yet. Given the relatively short amount of time between Fallout one and 4/76, evolution would not have induced such a dramatic physiological change without high end assistance, such as Mirelurks. Somehow radiation sped up what would be millions of years of evolution in roughly 200 years.

[@Caiuxa190]

FO4's Deathclaws genuinely look like big plastic toys, although i don't know if it's just because of the reflective nature of everything in that game. Their behavior also makes no sense, they fumble around and act too slithery, even the grab is a bit off. The name is DEATHCLAW for a reason, it means if that claw is in collision with your face, your free trial of life has just expired, so why would this demon not just rush you instantly. I'd say Bethesda did a great job portraying the Deathclaw menace in FO3, and that Obsidian took that and perfected the recipe for any future iteration. I just have no idea what they were thinking with the FO4 design, they made this cool big shiny lizard, but they forgot to make it a Deathclaw.

[@crusnova]

Ngl, In F:NV at the hardest difficulty possible, Deathclaw packs are nigh impossible to takeout without the aid of chems/ far range sniping to me.

[@ummmhelp]

tbh I feel the coast argument doesn't really work even if they were an west coast creation it doesn't seem to hard to imagine a creature capable of ripping though steel power armor and rending apart caravans would have a hard time getting to the other side of the us

[@oniemployee3437]

Are you okay, buddy? You sound extra raspy in this video. Edit: the fact that you need to make a 12 minute video on the legitimacy on FO4 Deathclaws is really telling on how toxic and purist the Fallout community(and especially it's ancient, more conservative members) can be. Thank you for making this video to showcase that FO4 actually ain't THAT bad :D

[@kauske]

I would have liked the tougher variants to be showcased too, the base deathclaws loose threat over time, but some of those rare nasty variants can just peel your power armour like it's tinfoil. Esp on harder difficulties.

[@falloutgod1073]

It makes me sad because I can’t like 4 or 76 without a shit ton of hate

[@okaythen4784]

I am starting to think there are some people that just hate bethesda things without a good reason

[@owenferrone1324]

I respect you using the rebreather with the combat armor :)

[@ililililiililiililililiili2064]

Jesus that was the longest sponsorship I’ve ever seen

[@siggybuttbrain7026]

I didn’t really explore much, but In fallout 4 I only came into contact with 3 that I can remember, the one at concord, the one in the church or something, and the one with the egg.

[@fs96jfj36]

I feel that deathclaws are all kind of the same across f03, fnv and fo4. They work different but have a similar challenge

[@_halloeen_856]

Fallout 4 death claws run and disappear strategy becomes very tense in urban environments on survival where you dont have a compass to tell which building they're behind

[@spookydookys4789]

There’s a few terminal entries in new Vegas that suggest the deathclaw experiment originally took place on Hawaii stated as “those eggheads from Washington are finally making some headway with they’re super soldiers apparently these bastards can survive and adapt too any environment almost like a chameleon but instead of changing skin colour it changes skin plates, granted they’re little more than house pets right now they do show great promise” after bombs dropped those proto deathclaws swam to Southern California after the islands resources dried up, being that Southern California is the placement of fallout 1 and is also the closest American landmass too Hawaii bing bang boom you got some Shaka brah death claws

[@bluezy9502]

One thing that is mostly broken with the fallout 4 deathclaws is because deathclaws are so big their "dodge" mostly breaks their movement for a few seconds this mostly happens with deathclaws near a lot of objects

[@claytopolis]

i could see their different appearance and behavior in fallout 4 being like an alternate breed since they were lab experiments and all. They had to see which kind of deathclaw works best.

[@pkisnomore]

Deathclaws arent always loaners in fallout 4. There are several encounters where there are 2 of them. You can be traveling through the glowing sea and run into two off them

[@stuff9680]

The reason people think they're weaker in 4 is their little "wind up" animation before coming after you which gives you time to start dealing damage to them

[@joshuaarnold5123]

For the low level fallout test you should have used a mini gun and power armor since your give both for your first fight against a deathclaw, this is where the idea they are easily killed comes from

[@charlescourtwright2229]

The scariest part about them in New Vegas was the 3 areas they were in, you would easily be fighting them 3+ at a time along with them being about 3 times faster than you

[@bigbadbox6023]

Edit: ok so the audio doesn’t play on my laptop but does on my phone… ok. For some reason the video has no audio, I don't know if anyone else is having this problem

[@louissteyn6871]

In my opinion the deathclaws in four could have stood to be more relentless in their attacks, tankier and have them occasionally attack in packs

[@Altrantis]

I always found deathclaws to be more intimidating in 4, then NV, and least in 3. My first was NV. Edit: As for the behaviour of F4 DCs, it's there so they don't just stand there and get shot if they can't get to you, which is a lot more common in F4 because there's so many houses and things.

[@RaxusXeronos]

Something to add about 4's Deathclaws is that if you're around/past half health they can grab and insta-kill you if you're out of power armor. So maybe a bit deadilier than 1-2s?

[@Thumper8544]

dathclaws are top of the food chain predators and fallout 4 is 126 years after fallout 1. Seems fair for deathclaws to be more common. Game wise though, they fit better as a rare encounter

[@CrowInAHat]

I think how the Deathclaw can be improved is by giving it stalker-like behaviors, it oughta tense up encounters in specific locations like dense dead forests, assuming they keep the design of the FO4 Deathclaw, it can probably serve as natural camouflage. It’d even be more tense by returning their pack-dynamic. I realize that this is a lot like wolf behaviour therefore making it in some sense “predictable”, but I still believe that this could be a pretty frightening encounter

[@Waggleton.p.tallylicker]

They also forgot that the horns on the female go backwards, so the "mother" deathclaw you return the egg to in FO4 is a male.

[@MaidofRage420]

Honestly in Fallout 3, 4, and 76, they should've went for Gatorclaws.

[@hotcorndog5029]

My man now has a sponsor. Very epic

[@glitchyghosting5798]

In trying to make them stand out more they ended up devaluing them. I like the new look but the animations blunt how deadly the are. Also I wish they didn't spawn randomly since going to clear them out of an area always felt like a big undertaking but in 4 it just doesn't matter how many you kill.