Fallout: TV Show (2024) - NCR vs. Brotherhood of Steel

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[@ThomasSpettel]

The irony of the battle is that neither the NCR nor the Brotherhood had any soldiers with better experience or veterans.

[@Alte.Kameraden]

Or the director doesn't know crap about how combat with guns works. 😂 This is actually pathetically bad.

[@bandolando3265]

All of the main NCR forces and rangers died in the two battles of Hoover Dam and then trying to take new vegas(based off end credits) presumably. We've seen and been told in the show that this section of the Brotherhood has gotten soft and is weak. So yeah theres no real soldiers in this battle except for Cooper Howard(the ghoul) who was a Marine pre nukes dropping

[@lostonthemoonva7640]

@@Alte.Kameradenoh crap the fun police arived

[@ThomasSpettel]

On the bright side, we got to see the brotherhood fighting the NCR again on a different scale and leveling field.​@@bandolando3265

[@Eeveelutions_supremacy]

@@Alte.Kameraden no lmao

[@R3GARnator]

Dude was basically spouting the Enclave's MO.

[@Jpipooly]

I think he is part of the Enclave

[@JohnDoe-sw1rs]

Vault Tec is part of the Enclave alongside government personnel, military and some elites like Westek. If enclave make a return then they’d recruit him

[@goldenwind7138]

​@JohnDoe-sw1rs no they hate each other they gun down dwellers before

[@JohnDoe-sw1rs]

@@goldenwind7138 That’s only for regular Vault dwellers like 101. Vault 31 are the same as the Enclave and the Enclave would know of it as the information on the experiments is usually sent to the Enclave HQ.

[@NavieNavira]

The shadowy figure overseeing the Vault Tec meeting was likely someone from the Enclave.

[@satriadicky3732]

I love how throughout all this the Ghoul is listed as his own faction. It reminded me how in NV the third faction is called Mr. House and its literally just the Courier and him againts two post-world superpower.

[@Kozo-Sushi]

I genuinely think the Courier chose the 4th option and New Vegas is so wrecked because there's a bonkers player character in charge with Yes Man. There's no NCR, there's no House, there's just carnage all over the Mojave. I'd love that as a twist, showing people who haven't played the game how horrible of a person you can be to the Wasteland with a big enough gun. They still haven't introduced VATS yet, having some god tier guy able to mow down an entire crowd of people in what looks like a single trigger pull or casually walk around bullets would be terrifying. I'd love a bunch of NCR Rangers standing around menacing and there's just an old man glaring at them one by one with the VATS targeting beep heard softly.

[@Hobo_joe360_no_scoped]

@@Kozo-Sushior the owner saved and forgot to reload

[@tanakritgutzlapcharoen9457]

+an army of robots and the only remaining prewar city

[@rogueraccoon1840]

And then there's the wild card which is the courier and yes man. I'm doing that ending right now

[@Alex3f4]

@@Kozo-Sushi My canon is that the courier nuked drywells and the long 15. House won New Vegas and both sides got kicked out of the Mojave.

[@CrackingCody]

"We won't go quietly, the Brotherhood* can count on that."

[@BrandonMoki]

Nah y’all went out with a massive bang 😂 ☢️ 🕶🏝💣

[@CrackingCody]

@@BrandonMokiConsidering the NCR still has another 4 states, a new capital, and still the largest army in the continental US wasteland, they’ll be fine, bud. 😂 Todd’s already said this is just the start of a new conflict and we’ll see the NCR again. Hell, this is really the first known loss for the NCR between these 2 factions, as the BoS almost always get put in their place by their own incompetence. Hank did them a favor by wiping out Shady Sands, otherwise they’d stand no chance against the NCR. 👀

[@Violet_Imp]

​@CrackingCody My guy, two major cities, got nuked. They magically moved Shady Sands next to the Boneyand, and now they're both gone. The NCR could barely handle it when the BOS stole all their gold, but now two major cities are gone, and they've been reduced to raiders. There is no more NCR. It's just BOS vs Enclave. Again.

[@cowbeanboi412]

​@@Violet_Imptoddy boy confirmed they're alive

[@deeznutz3712]

​​@@Violet_Imp Bro forgot the NCR still holds fast territory in northern California with fault city & new reno still opersting. BOS fanboy detected. Probably still holds boneyard as well with lots of scatered forces around mojave & states around shady sands area

[@Lancelot0311]

Got to respect the factions not shooting their opposing flag bearer. They both made eye contact with one another,and continued to take the lead. Impressive.

[@DB8ed]

at the same time though, those BOS Knights that were first into the building were shooting alot of people from behind....

[@TheCatIsAMonster]

I thought the NCR flag bearer was just gonna start beating the BOS’s arse.

[@LordVader1094]

@@TheCatIsAMonster The two flag bearers fighting would've been so much less goofy than them just running past each other lol

[@themanwiththeplan728]

This is a temporary setback. The NCR will comeback

[@ballsagl3955]

on the dead homies

[@or6397]

It hit me when I was watching. They’re the Minutemen. Theyve taken a bad hit and have all went back to their villages with their kit and guns. It’s not difficult to imagine with the Brotherhood takeover them going down that road.

[@ayoubmorjane7722]

Your plans and ideas never work dutch but I'm keeping the faith

[@wintergreen2.073]

Ad Victoriam boy. Hold this L

[@xx-xh7dl]

have some g*ddamn faith

[@dragonleo_]

I think the NCR put up some fight despite not having the same advantage they had back in Helios One.

[@TheTriangle444]

Numbers wise the outpost had maybe at least 25% more people than the vertibird fleet (they sent 7 first). I think each vertibird had one power armor. NCR took down 2 planes and killed one armor -- 3 armors and some squires survived to go inside. So approximately 40% of the invaders survived after wiping the NCR until Ghoul finished them off

[@maxissixam6049]

@@TheTriangle444 and then when they get inside they all brain farted that their orders were seek and destroy. true BOS would have turned and collectively shot the ghoul full of holes before he got the first shot

[@tiglishnobody8750]

​​@@maxissixam6049They just lost their way as The Elder said so

[@caseycox1002]

Rule of cool, my dude​@@maxissixam6049

[@carlosandres1835]

Literalmente son remanentes de Shady Sands

[@terryliliana]

A bunch of bullies vs a bunch of people way over their heads.

[@googleisevil8958]

NCR always did like fighting impossible odds.

[@renmontalvan1665]

@@googleisevil8958 Indomitable human spirit

[@hugovilleda3481]

Estupidez Humana ​@@renmontalvan1665

[@aled845]

​@@renmontalvan1665 Doesn't do much when a Paladin crushes you under his boot and rips you to pieces with a gatling gun. Ad Victoriam !

[@romansionis2470]

Tbf the NCR did beat the Brotherhood before as shown in New Vegas

[@kingcamelot1395]

"Get rid of the factions. Make the world only ours to shape." The Master and his army of Super Mutants said the same thing. So did the Enclave. So did Ceasar's Legion. The Institute. Heck, almost every faction we come across. "We're going to save the world by killing everyone that isn't us."

[@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460]

Depending on which Enclave belief you subscribe to, they actually wanted to help the American people or didn't care one way or the other. The Institute, meanwhile, didn't want to kill everyone to my knowledge. They were just mad scientists who didn't know when to stop. I doubt they wanted to rule over the surface.

[@Akial2935]

Ulysses too sort of, even down to nuking the NCR to get rid of them. Difference is BoS seemed to beat the Legion to the punch

[@blondeplants1133]

This is why I personally like the Yes-man or Mr. House ending in New Vegas. An independent land not run by any government or belief but the people and their culture. It’s also the only time in the series where I can BE independent and not fully aligned with any faction.

[@Estelle2007]

Yeah, sounds like my typical rants at work about incorporating biotechnolgy and modified toxoplasma gondii in our psych research, Lol

[@kingcamelot1395]

@@Estelle2007 Excuse me? Where is this coming from?

[@DereC519]

the scene with the two flag carriers was so badass idk why

[@cegesh1459]

It was really stupid to me.

[@Alte.Kameraden]

Honestly found it stupid. The whole fight looks like no one working on it has ever seen a war movie. 😂

[@EXMachina.]

Honestly i kinda liked it from the wrong reason, it brings the chaotic vibe from an end quest battle from every Fallout.

[@Alte.Kameraden]

@@EXMachina. I wouldn't say they were chaotic. Fallout 4 maybe and honestly it's more of a game design issue than anything. Kind of like when some people view the Minutemen as Communist instead of Classic Liberals or Libertarians. Citing how ownership doesn't exist in settlements, ignoring that it's a game design limitation not what the Minutemen believes or were.

[@edy8883]

​​@@Alte.Kameraden It would have made more sense if they had fought with gunfire "like a soldier is supposed to act." 1: Neither the BOS nor the NCR have suitable soldiers in this battle, there is neither a paladin nor a Ranger. 2: the flag scene represents only the words of Lucy's father, about fractions.

[@josiadorthestrong1031]

I loved this scene. I liked how chaotic and tragic it was. It also captured what a lot of the big battle setpieces in these games are like, a bunch of people running around shooting each other with no organization.

[@edward_3ps4]

It almost made cry how good it was ngl

[@korawitbuttramee618]

And the fact that most soldiers are rookies with little to no combat experience. West coast BoS lost a lot of veterans fighting the NCR as well as Elijah's tactical blunders. Meanwhile, NCR presumably lost their best troops while Shady Sand was nuked, and it was entirely possible they were recovering from the battle of Hoover Dam when it happened. Hence why Moldavers had to retort to hiring raiders to storm Vault 33 instead of bringing elites like NCR rangers.

[@tiglishnobody8750]

NCR still existing but they are declining and overstretched

[@whoami30204]

thats not a good thing

[@GojoGunning]

@@tiglishnobody8750it was always kinda foreshadowed they wouldn’t last forever as the entity they were in Vegas. And God Howard himself said it’s not the last of them, and that he asks you to think what is the ncr. Bunch of places far from eachother connected by the goverMINT, but what happens when vault Tec drops a nuke on that shit, I’d assume the rest of the ncr wouldn’t bother but scavenge the remains, let alone bother communicating with shady sands/boneyard. Better to hold up where you got survivors. And they probably still have 500,000 citizens worst case scenario

[@baka4305]

I love how they recreate how NPC would actually fight in the game. They literally just get close to each other and shoot

[@user-ro6ou5vo6b]

finally someone who gets it. yeah this show actually felt like the game in live action. Some people are crying about it tho because the fanbase never changes (Just like war).

[@LordVader1094]

@@user-ro6ou5vo6b Shitty action scenes do not a good video game adaption make. At a certain point it just feels like big budget cosplay (not in a good way)

[@say_bray]

​@@LordVader1094(Wah wah wah) -👶

[@svb_zer0318]

​@@LordVader1094 "I felt so sigma saying this because I enjoy nothing in life!"-🤓🤓🤓

[@KD--sj8eo]

@@svb_zer0318it’s a fair criticism. Don’t get salty.

[@Jesuslizard561]

Remember, this is a wounded NCR vs. BOS in their prime

[@BrandonMoki]

More like wounded NCR vs watered down BoS

[@toastman7671]

​@@BrandonMokiHow are they watered down.

[@BrandonMoki]

@@toastman7671 too many wastelanders in their ranks, look a Titus that dude was a joke who gave zero fcked about the BoS, there is a reason the east coast had to show up.

[@sept5794]

@@BrandonMoki Who do you think they recruit? LMAO

[@toastman7671]

@BrandonMoki If you help the cause of the brotherhood of steel you're in. They just don't help settlers from raids. And Titus was a joke that's why his scene with the bear was funny it encapsulates what the real player would feel.

[@aweeeeh5255]

Man sees modern ballistic helmet in show. Man realizes man's modded game is canon. Man is happy.

[@tommyatkins-nl1fn]

Didnt old fallout games like one and two have modern stuff like that

[@aweeeeh5255]

@@tommyatkins-nl1fn P90 was the only modern gun I know existed in older fallout, and that gun came out in the 80s. They got FAST helmet and modern sights in the show.

[@tommyatkins-nl1fn]

@@aweeeeh5255 I swear I remember there were other modern guns, I'm probably misremembering I guess?

[@kalash1167]

​@@tommyatkins-nl1fn the assault rifle from FO3, the Anti material rifle and the Gobi campaign sniper.

[@jimbotron2]

@@aweeeeh5255 Desert Eagle and HK G11 are in Fallout 2, also older guns that were invented after the timeline split like the FAL and M60

[@TGE-os8it]

Shady sands may be lost, but hopefully the NCR still exists in other states and cities such as Baja, New Reno, Vault City, Navarro, Arroyo (idk how to spell it), and maybe even New Vegas. NCR and proud!!!

[@eashanahluwalia9599]

Yeah it’s doesn’t make sense for the world’s largest nation to not have a presence after losing their capital, the Roman Empire lasted 1000 years after Rome fell.

[@Alte.Kameraden]

Sadly based on this scene the BOS is likely hunting them down. So some how magical the BOS has risen from the gave almosy being wiped out by NV to dominating by this TV show. This whole battle was just terrible. Bethesda themselves could have done a better job and they don't evem know how guns work. 😂

[@maxcruz1193]

​@@eashanahluwalia9599 By the time roma falls the empire alredy has divided in two and oriental roman empire consider inferior the occidental empire they dont give a shit when this falls and still exist other 1000 years cause they were his own nation

[@wilsthelimit]

Shady sands may be lost, but she can still be rebuilt. Long live the NCR!

[@roo2385]

@@Alte.Kameraden I'd say this is supposed to be the East coast chapter of the brotherhood, because they are using the Prydwen and are more militaristic than the West chapter of the BoS, this makes me believe the BoS ending in FO4 might be canon one but that's just my opinion. Only nitpick about it it's they should've had Maxson as Elder and have them be less religious crazy people with technology to fit more with how the East BoS is.

[@TheRealBorb]

It felt sort of cathartic, seeing the NCR troops take down the Knights. Like these dudes seemed unstoppable in their Power Armor, but they didn't have the experience necessary to utilise it fully. All it took was 4 or 5 guys to pin them, lift the helmet, and let off a shot in the head. Shows how experience matters, no matter your gear.

[@Alex-pj8nz]

BOS ending in FO4, suffer huge causalities and also recruited a lot of minute man endorse by the SS.

[@jderekwastaken]

People like to portray them as unstoppable solo wrecking crews, but they're still more effective in a squad. Even tanks require a laundry list of support to be effective.

[@spazzey0]

In my eyes atleast, PA Units have never been outright walking "tanks", just support units meant to carry the load ( thus making a majority of heavy weapons, such as heavy machineguns, automatic grenade launchers and shoulder-mounted missile launchers portable, of course, not excluding stuff like ammunition for the rest of the squad ), but rule of cool says you need to atleast have these mechanized units shrug off a bunch of bullets and club a few lightly armored flesh and skin humans. so its application is most likely not in CQC, moreso just a standoff-ish role if things go perfectly.

[@user-ro6ou5vo6b]

I think in lore, most knights rely on their armour too much, and have very little proper training

[@FerretCuddles]

​​@@user-ro6ou5vo6b "I think" There's your problem. They don't just start out with a suit of PA, BoS personnel have to prove themselves as Initiates in the field to advance to that rank and receive training to use PA. Even nu-Bethesda has shown that from 3 on. How could you get such obvious info wrong?

[@wafflepv]

This scene was cool to see, the NCR and The Brotherhood in combat.

[@HitachiTRQ-225]

4:08 this shot is so badass

[@Rjey45ForteFev]

what? cant see and too dark.

[@frqnci2764]

@@Rjey45ForteFev the BoS destroying NCR asss

[@BlueFox284]

Reminds me of the first Terminator movie where Reese has that dream of an Infiltrator unit getting into the resistance base and starts wasting everybody.

[@Snillomator]

Ad Victoriam!

[@HowDyaYouLikeMeNow]

Shady Sands was the capital of the NCR, yes, but remember that the entirety of the NCR stretches from Oregon (Arroyo) all the way down into northern Mexico (Baja), held Nevada (New Vegas, Primm, Searchlight, Hoover Dam, Boulder City) and was pushing even further south east into Arizona (Bullhead City) in Fallout: New Vegas during the war with Caesar's Legion. Destroying the capital would be a massive blow to morale, of course, but certainly would not wipe the entire NCR out of existence. What we see here are the desperate remnants of Shady Sands' surviving NCR regiment, under equipped, under supplied and STILL helping civilians try to make a go of it and STILL showing the Brotherhood zealots they're not going down without knocking out some teeth.

[@FailHail-yu8rz]

For the purpose of the show they nerfed the NCR so that the characters and factions can run around LA without NCR & Shady Sands being the powerhouse. I don't believe they are a regiment, as in the beginning of the show it established that Moldaver was working with raiders that lacked morality. Its more like Shady Sands survivors, with a mix of raiders that Moldaver works with for unexplained reasons. Feel like the most logical course of action going on would be NCR continuing to exist as a weakened but surviving state around central/northern California, having been driven out of South Cali after Shady Sands fell and then the nuke going off. By extension, Baja may have been lost too. This allows for the BoS to still have decent power status and make the NCR a sustainable but lesser threat, which gives room for a more compelling story.

[@HowDyaYouLikeMeNow]

@@FailHail-yu8rz I am guessing that Moldaver simply contracted the raiders/mercenaries so as not to put her last remaining troops in harm's way. If you have money and are low on manpower, that's what you'd do. You can hire thugs and mercs who are more than a little unsrupulous as human beings in Fallout. Hell, you can flat out BUY Clover (my favourite bodyguard in Fallout 3. That southern belle accent combined with her utterly indiscriminate never giving a shit whether you do good or bad ruthlessness was fun). Either way, I agree that you can't have the NCR being a functional post-war government if you want to set the show up the way they did. My question to the team would then be: "Why not set it somewhere besides California?" We've seen Cali, we've seen Washington DC, Massachusetts, Pittsburgh, Maryland. Still plenty of places left in the continental United States to explore.

[@jesse78156]

And Shady Sands wasn't even the capital when it was destroyed, the sign said first capital of the NCR, I read that the capital moved to The Hub before these events, though not sure if that's canon.

[@alexvalin9085]

This wasnt a battle this was a slaughter, i thought the NCR would have put up a bigger fight. I cant wait to see some NCR/BoT/Caesars Legion/Mr house action next season!

[@Alte.Kameraden]

Want a real BOS vs NCR battle there is a fan film series of the battle at Helios One.

[@IGoByLime]

did you not see the multiple dead t-60 clad soldiers outside? the NCR put up a decent fight

[@Alte.Kameraden]

@@IGoByLime didn't make the fight any less stupid. Small explosion knocked one out keyword "small." Meanwhile main is perfectly fine without power armor after the second lands next to him.

[@Whichonespink.77]

they took out a few vertibirds which was a pretty big blow, but yeah they didnt have much chance in ground combat if we're being real

[@Flaky1916]

NCR's main advantage was manpower and logistics. They don't have either anymore.

[@Kaosi]

Used to feel bad about wiping out the Brotherhood in New Vegas

[@tahmkench118]

Never felt bad after doing Veronica's quest. Fck the bos

[@xxmeme5terxx706]

And now?

[@popepisspot1675]

Nah , never. The ncr did most of the work and I just put the final touch in the mojave.

[@Kaosi]

@@xxmeme5terxx706 Still feel bad for Veronica, but the game is now rigged from the start

[@googleisevil8958]

The Brotherhood in NV isn't the same in the show. That Brotherhood is long dead. This Brotherhood is just wearing their skin and begging to be put out of their misery. Which I hope will start to happen in season 2. God, I wish this was a game now... I need to fight this Brotherhood and save the NCR... Again!

[@tristanjorritsma9709]

I love how Bethesda are slowly turning the Brotherhood into the outright bad guys. Their transition from 3 to 4 and now to the show is such a beautiful natural progression of their ideology and goals. Only natural that their isolationism would breed resentment and foster imperial ambitions against the “savages”.

[@WittyUsername816]

I mean, they were the bad guys in 1 and 2 as well. They were only OK at best in NV, and a splinter faction were good in 3, with the Outcasts being more true to the rest of the Brotherhood.

[@tristanjorritsma9709]

@@WittyUsername816 true, but before they were isolationist and mostly kept to themselves. Now the Brotherhood is actively in the business of conquering new territory and creating an empire similar to Caesar’s Legion or the NCR, as much as I like the Bos in the first 4 games, I think that the Fo4/TV show Bos has been my favourite, tbh it kinda surprised me it took the Bos this long to become imperialists.

[@marcuso.530]

It's also really nice from a writing perspective as well. The knights in shining armor, who champion themselves as saviors of the wasteland, beginning their steady creep towards authoritarianism and dominance. It'll be great for Maximus's story as well, seeing the group he idolized deform into something horrific for the wasteland.

[@chengkuoklee5734]

Brotherhood is neither good nor bad. It's complicated in grey at most. They did good deeds, questionable deeds, and quite some bad deeds.

[@ReformedSooner24]

They weren’t evil in 4 at all though. They were human supremacists. They actually got better imho.

[@adonailr9667]

I loved how chaotic this was, not organized at all just 2 groups of people fighting over the wrong reasons. Being controlled by somebody else... man, fuck vault-tec

[@elvisibra]

What the F are you talking about

[@marcuso.530]

​@elvisibra He's not wrong. Both groups are being led by the worst types of people, slaughtering each other for horrible reasons. The Brotherhood with their hording of technology that could benefit the wasteland, and Moldaver's NCR, who butchered an entire vault of people(though they had a good reason) to get what she wanted. And in the shadows, Vault tech is pulling the strings.

[@blueslover21]

vault tec don't have nothing to do with the beef between NCR and the brotherhood

[@kingcamelot1395]

​@blueslover21 Were it not for Vault-Tec, there wouldn't even be an NCR or BoS. They didn't directly create these factions, that is the truth. But if their wanton greed had not lead them to drop bombs on America, none of this would've happened.

[@Panzermeiller]

@@elvisibra Fallout TV show fans know nothing of the lore, are you surprised ?

[@Beatmyguest001]

That moment of Moldaver and the soldiers rushing out with the camera panning to “New California Republic Headquarters” was so badass. I genuinely felt moved as a longtime player. This show was so great.

[@user-ro6ou5vo6b]

and yet some people are still crying about it, because nothing can be good no more. the fanbase never changes

[@lancemartinez1130]

Remember when the NV fanboys were crying about how the show was gonna make the bos the goodguy saviors of the waste?

[@h8thebritish522]

No, we both never saw anything like that, and you know it. Everyone’s “complaining” that todd is gonna destroy everything NV has done because “meh I hate civilization rebuilding. I need MORE power armor variants!”

[@hamsterking2187]

​@@h8thebritish522 Tbf, I've seen many people complaining about the brotherhood potentially being the good guys.

[@h8thebritish522]

@@hamsterking2187 Doesn’t matter, I don’t like how in an attempt to make people’s actual complaints look meaningless this dude’s equating every take he doesn’t like to some other paltry take that obviously isn’t true

[@slickcalf985]

I like the classic 10mm pistol

[@christinesulyvahn6043]

Same, is an pistol, but it's also an revolver, it's pretty neat to Fallout aesthetics

[@blueslover21]

love that they bring back the desert eagle too. and did something creative with it by making it a power armor specialized handgun

[@triple6274]

The fallout 4 virdabird meme has made it to the big screen 😂

[@PennTankerGuy]

Guess the Brotherhood finally got their revenge for HELIOS.

[@mega-bustershepard5537]

Where were the Rangers with their Anti-Material rifles? Where were the Heavy Rangers with mini guns? Where was the fracking artillery?

[@maxissixam6049]

in the Mojave, probably all dead.

[@DNKNW-ei5jw]

This group is surviving shady sands citizens mostly, not actual current ncr soldiers

[@kenn4eyes]

Desert Rangers probably would have left the NCR if the NCR lost in New Vegas bc they had problems with NCR command. They joined NCR to fight Caesar's legion yet they were sent to conquer new lands for NCR and were only brought back to the Mojave when the NCR got desperate there.

[@SorceressWitch]

This is a separate group of NCR survivors and this isn't a game. BOS are still powerful though they should have energy weapons. BOS paladins aren't to be messed with. I wanted to see the laser weapons that they're known for and people being dissolved into ashes. Sorry but the rangers were not the strongest. The reason NCR was able to win originally was due to them having greater numbers, which is the main army. Rangers are not untouchable and Chief Hanlon who leads the rangers is convinced that they can't win the war. Caesar mentions that BOS paladins are very powerful despite the BOS having fewer soldiers. He didn't want them around as they were too dangerous. BOS did cripple NCR economy by raiding their gold reserves. So people really need to stop thinking NCR were meant to be some unbeatable force and that BOS didn't put up a good fight. They couldn't win in that war because they didn't have enough soldiers. They were strong but smaller size military. Their advantage is their technology. This NCR group didn't have the number advantage on their side this time so they lost and no, the rangers wouldn't have saved them. You have to remember that BOS is a military faction with elite power armour troops who are feared. Enclave were the only other faction that came close with their more advanced power armour and technology.

[@Violet_Imp]

​@@maxissixam6049It just works after all. Seeing the NCR grow from Fallout 1 as a small village to Fallout 2 as a real nation and to NV as a expanding power all reduced to dust because Todd needs his BOS babies to win and his wasteland to be marketable.

[@kainather9547]

Some veteran rangers and the bos would be wiped out

[@wedoalittlemonkeybusiness6545]

they in Nevada 😢

[@bluejaysfan965]

Not against the elite east coast brotherhood

[@kainather9547]

@@bluejaysfan965 the minuteman can defeat them...

[@bluejaysfan965]

@@kainather9547 oh yeah? How so...... ****Liberty prime has entered the chat***

[@jack_The_ComicFan63]

​@@bluejaysfan965helios 1 and archemedes 2 send their regard.

[@SmileyTheMadman]

This is honestly tragic, we’re not just witnessing the death of not just a beloved faction, not only the death of a nation, but a hope for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness for what remains of a people that once stood as a force to be reckoned with. The music, the death, the fighting, it all shows not only that the tragedy of war never changes, but that war truly never changes.

[@hyo3884]

Thankfully it is confirmed that the NCR still exists, Moldavers group was just the last bit in their area.

[@ThomasSpettel]

War...war never changes.

[@christinesulyvahn6043]

Bethesda... Bethesda bad writting never changes...

[@svb_zer0318]

​@@christinesulyvahn6043 "Wah Wah Wah! I like hating on Bethesda because I have nothing better to do. New Vegas is the best game as long as you download 50 thousand mods!"-🤓🤓🤓

[@christinesulyvahn6043]

@@svb_zer0318 Yes i do. And truth be told, Fallout 4 is unfun unless you mod it, so stop crying over an ironic comment i did, and stop trying to play to badass here because you're ashaming everyone

[@lordbaccoon1821]

We beat the Khans, beat the enclave, we won at Helios, and beat the legion twice at the dam. This is nothing but a single battle in a war that we won't loose!

[@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460]

Like hell you did. The Chosen One did all the work in 2 and, depending on how the story is told, the Courier did all the work in New Vegas to get you your second victory.

[@DontThinkso-kb9tc]

Lose**

[@kalash1167]

​@@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460 I mean the gap between 2 and NV shown NCR spread from southern California to Baja and Nevada pushing into Arizona. So they're probably already winning a bunch before.

[@FerretCuddles]

​​@@kalash1167 And NCR was crumbling once they went up against an organized faction that wasn't already hobbled. You deliberately chose to ignore the context that other guy posted while ignoring that in your own point. Play the games instead of reading about them.

[@professormudkip702]

Long Live the New California Republic! -From the Free Economic Zone of New Vegas

[@BrandonMoki]

😂☢️🕶⏳🐻☠️

[@christinesulyvahn6043]

​@@BrandonMokiDude really answered with emojis and think he is cool, i'd kill myself after comment this

[@BrandonMoki]

@@christinesulyvahn6043 if that’s all it takes for you an do it just go ahead and do everybody a favour and do it now, fcking deekhead

[@BrandonMoki]

@@christinesulyvahn6043 you should do it anyways

[@christinesulyvahn6043]

@@BrandonMoki "You should do it anyway" and still thinks you're cool

[@sarenarterius6058]

I've still got hope that the NCR is still out there somewhere. Gotta remember that Shady Sands was originally a small village, and it's possible they'll rebuild.

[@unusualusername8847]

They are, the surface dwellers in Vault 4 are NCR Remnant as well.

[@CrackingCody]

I mean the NCR consists of 5 states, Shady Sands was merely the capital of one of these states, and the "DC" of the overall NCR. If the next season somehow says that the other 4 states just...... crumbled.... then Bethesda truly retconned far too much of the franchise.

[@vectorphoenix5992]

​@CrackingCody don't be surprised if their greed, corruption, and dismantled leadership put them in the same decline as shady sands before it got nuked. Caesar and Ulysses was right about them once all along when they heavily relied on scavenged pre-war resources that are running out.

[@derth9230]

@@CrackingCody I believe here this is just shady sands remnant NCR so I hope we get to see full powered NCR.

[@thelegate8636]

The NCR has a huge presence in Northern California and they were also just finishing up with colonizing Baja California by the time of New Vegas. They have to be still kicking somewhere.

[@PrimarisBlackTemplaDraven]

Lucy should have completed all the side quest cause this is the ending we get if you rush things.

[@petemadrona2252]

Lucy's like the first Fallout character everyone makes when they're just starting out. She's bound to screw things up here and there, she already has and will probably continue to do so, as the series goes on, but, like every Fallout character, she will gain experience, level up and become better for it, just like we all did.

[@kaede1491]

The House Always Wins

[@dagothur2666]

NCR AND PROUD

[@swagcheesehead1060]

My brothers and sisters of the NCR bear 🐻 down

[@AzumarillConGafasBv]

Ave, true to Caesar

[@StevenWolf275]

@@AzumarillConGafasBvLegion doesn't even appear in the show. They died irrelevant.

[@nightelf2487]

AD VICTORIAM (I love BOS and NCR, sad they gotta fight over flawed ideologies)

[@Sushiette]

​@@nightelf2487 The Ncr doesn't have a flawed ideology, they have flawed leaders since Tandi. The brotherhood on the other side...

[@Chloe-jc5ys]

AD VICTORIAM

[@christinesulyvahn6043]

Why so many fanboys, they're both a bunch of assholes, one want to make you pay taxes, the other wants to steal your technology with an excuse of been protecting the world, and there's that other one that wants to rebuild USA but they are just another bunch of assholes. Just why?

[@boxfullofwater4187]

Ad Vicoriam!

[@marloyorkrodriguez9975]

NCR and Proud!

[@frqnci2764]

@@marloyorkrodriguez9975 fuck the NCR!

[@Crying_dog]

Technology cults!!!! 😂

[@Alte.Kameraden]

But wouldn't he be creating a faction to end the other factions? 😂

[@Crazy09starkillor]

"everyone has their own dumbass idea on how to save the world, they just don't agree with each other"

[@SorceressWitch]

Remember that all the factions in Fallout are flawed. They all think they can save the wasteland and have different views. The great war was the same and war was the result of that. War continued after the bombs dropped. The Master himself thought he could save the wasteland but you can convince him that his ideas are flawed in Fallout 1.

[@JackTheMech]

Just like they keep reminding us. War. War mever changes. History simply repeats itself.​@@SorceressWitch

[@Alte.Kameraden]

@@SorceressWitch Issue is, it's such an obvious contradiction that you'd have to be a moron to not realize it. I honestly doubt a capitalist/businessman would support it, they're normally far more logical. You have to be a social ideologue to believe something so stupid, normally people who do social studies or social sciences who smell their own farts etc etc. It's like Anarcho-Syndicalist who believe they're Stateless. They want to create a society of producers, or trade unions/syndicates. Issue is by creating an organized society run by Syndicates "Workers Councils" or whatever they want to call them at that time, they create a "State." So they're not Anarchist. In fact the Soviet Union was that very thing, Soviet in Russia at the time was used for Councils ie Worker's Councils. It's entire government was that their parliament was "Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union" ie Supreme Council of the Council Union if translated correctly. Exactly what Anarcho Syndicalist wanted... ironically. One of the most oppressive regimes in history as well. I think it's because ideologues keep using the word Soviet and ignorant people never realize it means Council. Ironically the word Fascist came from Fasci which was used as a word for "Union" in Italy. So yes Fasci literally means bundle but in the context of it being used by Fascist it means "Union." The Italian National Unionist Party (The Italian National Fascist Party). They were National Syndicalist for a reason. Basically lazy translations or ignoring actual context of usage of words is often what causes history to repeat itself. Fascist were Trade Unionist, yet... when Fasci is translated into English they just mean bundle of sticks and often skirt around what that bundle technically meant, ie Union/Syndicate/Council/Cartel all synonyms really and there are more than just those. Ironically a common phrase used by Unionist though, even in the Planet of the Apes Reboot it's at the core of their Revolution ie Apes together Strong as he holds a "Fasci" in his hand, ie bundle of sticks.. You can see how the word is used by Unionist and Revolutionaries proper by looking at the Planet of the Apes Reboot actually. I find it funny that it's viewed as a positive thing when the right revolutionaries use it. Btw if you didn't notice what i just did there. Anarcho-Syndicalist and Fascist basically have the same end goal just one is more honest about it while the other is in denial of their ideology. There are reasons anti-Fascist and Fascist both use the word "Action" a lot in their propaganda. They came from the same family. Just modern anti-Fascist are the "Fascist" that broke away when the movement changed on them. If I recall and may be wrong but when looking up signers of the first Fascist Manifesto from 1914 I think I saw one of the cofounders eventually became an anti-Fascist ie one of the first antifa. It's why both movements love black both movements love using the word action, both movements call themselves revolutionaries, etc. Both are built around Syndicalism as well. I mean if anti Fascist didn't put Anti-Fascist on their logo you could easily mistake them for Fascist.

[@trustindex5421]

hope that they will show us the Brotherhood with Gatling Lasers would be nice

[@joeygrant3983]

It's kinda like the brotherhood got revenge after helios one

[@justnoob8141]

Are there even any of them left to remember the event though? to them, they’re fighting for no reason, not even to recover an old tech, just fight for the sake of fight

[@Tassiedevil127]

I like how they add vintage music to add the Cold War themed vibes in the fallout franchise

[@Hunter_anims]

Idk why, but the vertibirds flying over the horizon gives me chills.

[@cervantula]

Ad Victorium brothers!

[@Adamp_109]

For the Republic!!

[@silentwolf6555]

Ad victoriam brother

[@christinesulyvahn6043]

Funny thing that they only say this crap in Fallout 4

[@aninjaguardian]

Ad Victorium!

[@HowDyaYouLikeMeNow]

Anybody else spouting "ad victorum" not knowing that Ceasar's Legion are the ones that do Latin and may be a hint to the fact that the Eastern Brotherhood has lost its way?

[@Notsohappyproductions]

1:14 I have no idea why but I like this scene

[@silentserpent6026]

1:13 God damn i wasn't expecting that

[@The_United_States_Of_America76]

What happened to the NCR army?Why the hell their only force is a ragtag battalion holed up at a ruined observatory?

[@PerseusJackson-ud3gq]

Because the Brotherhood whooped their butts into that crater

[@Yaboibarel]

Probably lost a lot of men at the battle of hoover dam, also the remaining forces were most likely stationed at shady sands which was nuked

[@The_United_States_Of_America76]

@@Yaboibarel even if that was the case,where the army from the 8 member states?And hoover dam happened 4 years ago.4 years are enough for them to raise new division!

[@The_United_States_Of_America76]

@@PerseusJackson-ud3gq the show lore says Hank reported the existence of a wasteland civilization to Vault Tec who were hiding in their mountain complexs across America and they send a nuke to Shady Sands

[@maxissixam6049]

@@The_United_States_Of_America76 not if their logistics went to shit from the crimson caravan company going down, even in new vegas they stated that the war was vastly unpopular desertions were high, food across the 8 states was short and that their change from caps to paper was the source of alot of economic turmoil and Peaches was depending of the dam to soothe alot of these issues with a big win. if they lost the dam it be real bad, Desert Rangers would be the only force staying in the mojave and we can expect there was a vast protest in the capital over this blunder im willing to bet most if not all members of the military's pay were witheld til they won to try and smooth out issues at home during the war, with them losing all profits they could have made was gone. the results would have been catastrophic.

[@BroadFame]

1:33 I cannot stop watching this part. The sort of ethereal music note just gives me goosebumps.

[@frqnci2764]

It's the BoS soundtrack

[@johnlucas920]

In Shady Sands the poppies blow, between the crosses row on row, that mark our place and from the nigh, the Bear still bravely wanders by.

[@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive]

I fought a werewolf at Griffith Observatory in another game by Tim Cain and Leonard Boyarsky.

[@juanescobarrojas8330]

I understand this reference

[@kiddbanditpro]

killing it via the door was a top gaming moment for me

[@roubinnick]

Had to avenge my boy Nines

[@SamahLama]

That power armor flaw was OP

[@christianmartires729]

For a battle where everyone has firearms everyone is really close to each other.

[@justnoob8141]

Pretty much, both are at low point

[@aktivniigomes1989]

Accurate to the games lol

[@bigdawg77]

I love the addition of love/happy songs to scenes of gore and violence. Very true to the experience of the games

[@Khornecussion]

All the leaves are brown-

[@bestgradelearning9667]

and the sky is grey

[@swordimpulse07]

A lot of NCR soldiers are wearing very modern bump helmets which aren't lore friendly

[@or6397]

I know and it’s weird because earlier on they have at least two proper NCR ranger outfits which didn’t make an appearance here. What they have does very vaguely resemble the colour palette and NCR armour but I wouldn’t have thought it was that difficult to recreate the Trooper armour as it’s just helmet and breastplate. They also have real world guns instead of the Brotherhood with their Fallout guns. I think this was a budget thing.

[@skeletononcrystals5608]

@@or6397No, real guns do make an appearance in fallout. Kalashnikovs are in the lore and do exist in game. Same with the others. Bump helmets are also kind if plausible but not shown in games

[@freindlyapache101]

I caught that as well, didn't bother me too much tho. There's ar-15's with acogs and other "modern" equipment present in the non-bethesda games, so I don't think its *too* out of place personally

[@maxissixam6049]

if the show was lore accurate the knights would roll in with Gatling lasers, Miniguns and Laser rifles and the scribes would have laser pistols not those stupid guns.

[@humanelemon115]

​@@maxissixam6049That "stupid" gun is the 10mm from fallout 1

[@cowbeanboi412]

For as simple and short as the battle is its not the focus. Its simply showing us it as a wayto justify Hanks actions, its a set piece that's whole purpose is to show lucy what her dad was talking about

[@timetochronicle]

But does it really justify it? Like, I can understand why Vault-tec would believe in committing atrocities for the sake of their ideals and world view, but I dont think it justifies it. Lucy's heartbreak at this scene matches Cooper's all those centuries ago.

[@cowbeanboi412]

@timetochronicle it's not supposed to be a good one, anyone who hears it and has any morals left obviously hates it but this is like Vader trying to justify the empire to Luke. It's evil and that's basically it. There are small benefits for the lucky but everyone else is fucked

[@cowbeanboi412]

@timetochronicle it's not a good justification it's the type of justification a totalitarian would use. Vault tec wants total control everything else is just in the way. Is it just boring evil, yeah but sometimes evil organizations are just evil

[@googleisevil8958]

@@timetochronicle Of course it doesn't justify it. If you've played New Vegas, you find out its' possible to get the NCR and Brotherhood to have a cease fire. You can be the best diplomat the NCR has and help them get powerful allies as they fight back against the Legion, a massive slaver empire LARPing as the Roman Empire looking to take over Vegas. If anything, New Vegas itself is a massive strike against Hank longwinded speech. Moldavor was right. The NCR was rebuilding and close to pre-war America in many ways. The only reason why this is happening, is because of Hank's actions. Because of him nuking Shandy Sand. Severely wounding the NCR and allowing the Brotherhood to take over and become even more powerful without another equally powerful force to keep them in check. Still... wouldn't be the first time Vault-Tec ruined lives... and it probably won't be the last.

[@christinesulyvahn6043]

Yet, there was a lot of weird things on this scene. The BoS using normal firearms instead of their energy weaponry, the BoS soldiers looking like some cops using only pistols, the NCR remnants looking like Star Wars rebellion members and using like very antique weapons like the M1918 BAR, the M2 Carbine and the M1928 Thompson while in the games they use from M16s to M60s. Also, why the 2 random flag bearers there? I don't know, the scene is fun to watch, because, who doesn't like an shootout right? But it's an mess, another beautiful example of Bethesda clean writting, but anyway, i just wanted to understand those things and give my opinion

[@cooliostarstache5474]

I love the music in the Fallout universe. The show did a great job

[@FloofMother]

Where were you when shady sands fell?

[@maxissixam6049]

Eating actually good food in my safe Enclave base and laughing as the pretenders were blown up

[@user-hh2pn7dg8l]

I wish in house eating cram When pip boi ring Helo? Shadi San is die No.

[@saucy2833]

Some of the commenter haven't watched the show. This is not The NCR, but a raider group with a cult of personality centered around that pre-war lady whose residents claim the title of the NCR without possessing any institutions that made the NCR what it was. Just because one hundred survivors from the NCR's fall say they are the NCR does not make them the same, or even a similar entity to the NCR from NV.

[@reaverfang377]

They're even listed as Rogues

[@Alex-pj8nz]

Well they are what’s kept of the NCR after the nuking of Shady Sands.

[@robloxplayer0003]

​@@Alex-pj8nzI don't think the multistate nation would instantly die out just because their capitol was destroyed.

[@Alex-pj8nz]

@@robloxplayer0003 It can if the other states revolted and rage quit the NCR.

[@robloxplayer0003]

@Alex-pj8nz Which there is no evidence of, or at least not yet. Since the show just calls them "rogues" and not like "Remnants" of "shards", I believe that the NCR would be 'okay'. It'd kind of be like if someone nuked the white house. America wouldn't be well for a while, and there'd probably be chaos, but America would survive.

[@di71m0s]

War never changes...

[@TheRandomMuffinMan]

Honestly, it’s kind of sad to see the NCR reduced to this. They were the most interesting faction to me and probably the strongest one too in their prime.

[@Jakobagraae]

2:35 is the best scene ever

[@marloyorkrodriguez9975]

The Bear is still roaming out in the west, Tandi’s legacy will endure, NCR and proud

[@DMT-ix9zj]

In Fallout New Vegas the NCR kicked the BoS asses because they had so many soldiers. At that power plant.

[@DanielDelcastillo-kb2vz]

I think the reason of why the ncr look weak in here is because the tunnelers of lonesome road

[@shadewolf0075]

They also lost way too many guys to take that power plant in the process. They didn’t kick the brotherhood’s ass but got mangled taking that plant

[@bravo45th]

I still love how Vault Tech is the real evil behind this all....

[@yondoodle]

Comments are full of ncr and bos. I'm starting to like that ghoul now damn

[@8_Reeses_8]

I think the brotherhood took a bigger hit here NCR has open recruitment brotherhood is gonna take 30x as long to get back on having extreme offensive capabilities

[@jack_The_ComicFan63]

Apparently this is the same brotherhood as the one in fallout 4. Not the xenophobic isolationist molemen from fallout 1, 2 and Vegas. Doesn't really explain how they have so many T-60S given in fallout 4 most t-60 armors had a limited shipment in their hand, and most of those models were exclusively in the east coast. Particularly in Appalachia and Massachusetts.

[@mun-grohiik420]

@@jack_The_ComicFan63 its around 10 years after fallout 4. Maybe they found the blueprints and the brotherhood started making themself

[@jack_The_ComicFan63]

@@mun-grohiik420 the problem is its likely those blue prints are destroyed. The t-60 was ment to be standard military issue post 2077, but was only relegated to the east coast. The west coast only had large quantities of t-51 under the brotherhood of steel, with minimal amounts of t-45 In Vegas.

[@mun-grohiik420]

@@jack_The_ComicFan63 oh i see, thank you for the information! :o

[@derth9230]

@@jack_The_ComicFan63 I think this show is gonna be a big help in determining canon endings for fallout new vegas and fallout 4

[@xmonsterx5575]

What’s the score that plays when the brotherhood is arriving? Sounds good af!

[@Anotherrandomdude96]

“Brotherhood of steel” by Ramin Djwadi

[@robertwolff8928]

Love the guy dressed like a Khan

[@Skeletor_playboi]

Rip to the unknown brotherhood scribe who got killed by a vertibird 😢

[@killbot1476]

They should have called the mail man

[@lulzalfest]

You can see somw homage shots to apocalypse now and i am all for that.

[@hacman8732]

Where?

[@Delano762]

The Thing alarm sound

[@KaranGoswamikenz]

Not a single laser rifle was fired. I wanted to see the red beams.

[@REDACTED373]

The enclave squad in the mountains: sir there is a cool fight down there can we go no let them kill each other first

[@christinesulyvahn6043]

Is funny how in Fallout 3, the BoS are retracted as the "good guys, while the Enclave are the devils, while in Fallout 4 the BoS are literally a bunch of assholes forcing settlements to give their crops and production to them in exchange of "protection"

[@derth9230]

@@christinesulyvahn6043 Thats because there are completely different brotherhood chapters.

[@REDACTED373]

@@derth9230 yeah

[@REDACTED373]

@@christinesulyvahn6043 Well the enclave are basically the main bad guys in fallout they do have really nice looking powers armor

[@christinesulyvahn6043]

@@derth9230 Welp, in Fallout 3 after beating the Enclave and help the BoS to revive the project Aqua Pura, there's an event that happens in Megaton, where the BoS members that were there to deliver purified water, suddenly they start killing the innocent people.

[@IIAnaxiezzII]

REMEMBER HELIOS ONE! AD VICTORIAM

[@anamku00]

citadel and prydwen go boom boom.

[@Adamp_109]

​@@anamku00the prydwen is still active but I hope the ncr destroys it

[@marloyorkrodriguez9975]

We wont go quietly the Brotherhood can count on that…

[@IIAnaxiezzII]

@@anamku00 Citadel survives as 4 shows and Prydwen’s in the series. Cope. They both survive.

[@arthurmaxson9698]

​@@anamku00both are still standing at the time of the show.

[@ericcollins1497]

I mean he is right about the factions part , the problem is that's how it's going to be because people have such a strong difference in their views of the world and how to survive /rebuild it. Brotherhood being tech horders trying to keep it out of the hands of others who would abuse it and recreate another fallout event basically , so they can be a bit extreme but are usually also a good military type faction as well. And with fallout 4 we saw how a faction like the institute can end up causing so much problems because they believed they knew what was right for the world despite that the Commonwealths argument they sent a synth to kill basically the council trying to rebuild the Commonwealth. The NCR is a so so faction id equate more to like the national guard more or less? Felt like them fighting the brotherhood was a bit off tbh (I haven't watched the series yet but from game experience it just seems odd) , 4s brotherhood eliminated the railroad because they were synth supporters (but not friends of the institute) do yeah them being enemies made sense , with the minutemen ending being the one where you can avoid the conflict (the series timeframe would be after 4 and since the prydwyn seems to be alive that narrows down minutemen and brotherhood endings as canon since institute and railroad ones blow it up) , anyway yeah he had a point about the factions but also would be impossible so long as humans are.....well humans lol

[@anakinskywalker2142]

From what i understand the ncr and brotherhood of steel were at war before shady sands fell, and the ncr was winning that war, after shady sands fell the brotherhood became the ones in power

[@Dan418Vi]

And before this, it was the Enclave vs NCR vs Brotherhood. War never changes

[@johncook6369]

1:35 damn, that gunner is a horrible shot.

[@Alex-pj8nz]

He is aiming for the guards

[@garythemilkman4442]

Cover fire, my fella Shoot at anything moving, doesnt have to hit just stop the enemy from shooting back so that your allies can advance

[@vegetableguy5632]

The BOS doing gods work i see 👍👍👍

[@johncase1353]

Finding out this takes place 9 to 10 years after Fallout 4 and the Lone Wander 0:43 is with the Brotherhood of Steel makes sense of the downfall of the NCR.

[@lalo-kt4te]

When hank says he had to destroy the factions,how is letting the brotherhood have the cold fusion destroying them?

[@Juliocar-br2yi]

I cant wait for new vegas for the real NCR/rangers and the Legion😢

[@BrandonMoki]

We’ll see 😂

[@Adamp_109]

I really want to see Caesar's legion

[@caragas9331]

The show is set a few years after the games so idk if the NCR/ Legion are still there

[@hugo8500]

Assuming Caesar is dead, then the Legion itself probably imploded due to shoddy leadership and is scattered within Arizona likely as different tribes again

[@anglonationalist8243]

Yeah, I'd assume Caesar is dead and the Legion likely scattered and broken up into various groups. There will definitely be references and perhaps said groups may appear in season 2. IMO I'd love to think the Legion is still operating somewhat functionally

[@diegoestrada56]

It would be fucking amazing that in the 2nd season, the courier appeared. A mute, wearing riot gear with a duster with the number 21 in the back, who you can't tell if it's a woman or man, saves Lucy and The Ghoul, only to continue with his journey, never saying a word. Now THAT, would be fucking amazing, it doesn't reveal much about the canon of the FNV but still gives the Courier a cameo

[@BroadFame]

That would be horribly stupid.

[@caelin4174]

That would be gay and stupid

[@diegoestrada56]

@@BroadFame no.

[@Jockster109]

A tiny little cameo would be pretty cool. It'd have to be Randall Clarks gear though, otherwise it'd imply they canonically sided NCR which I don't like the idea of.

[@diegoestrada56]

@@Jockster109 in game, the riot gear that you get in Lonesome Road is not connected to the NCR and you can wear it with any faction.

[@kenn4eyes]

I saw a theory that this is a Brotherhood chapter that had to absorb legion remnants and I can kinda see why. No energy weapons, men only soldiers, legion-esque rituals.

[@martianscienceenthusiast]

Latin-esque names like Titus and Maximus as well

[@BurgermanForever-nh2vp]

How can they tell who's on who's side? Everyone is wearing the same thing lol

[@smellslikeproductions1024]

brotherhood - small pp energy ncr- big pp energy

[@Lkshc]

@@smellslikeproductions1024 i was going to say ur mom but after playing more games than fallout 4 i have to finally admit that the ncr is better than the brootherhood

[@delsin1126]

This whole battle was the best part of episode 8. This is what Fallout is truly about. The never ending faction wars and the countless battles people create

[@TheMissle]

I find it absolutely funny how both the ncf and the bos had second line troops

[@TheOldYoungOne]

I’ve seen this scene about 10 times already

[@seanrussel4776]

The transition to Nat King Cole's "I don't want to see tomorrow" really sold me to this whole scene... Got me emotional

[@MR.LMR1996]

AD VICTORIUM!

[@StevenWolf275]

The legion died irrelevant. No survivors.

[@treetoadbitter8094]

"Get rid of all the factions, make the world only ours to shape" Gee, where have I heard that one before?

[@bayarsejar5831]

This battle looked alright I would have to say that animated would make the power armored members feel like how it was in the games I a work in progress being made for operation sunburst

[@Tommonius]

Father Elijah sends his regards, laughing all the way from the casino! Honestly NCR was kicking everyone around and annexing everyone they could and crushed the Brotherhood several times, this is laser guided pure karma.

[@c.j5497]

Ad victorium

[@Plastic_Elegg]

The twist that Moldaver was actually working towards a noble goal and doing it alongside NCR remnants was just GOLD. It's sad that the NCR got nuked but at least some of them are still around and trying to do good things.

[@Star_moses]

We wont go quietly, the brotherhood can count on that

[@commanderdumb7167]

I love how they show the Brotherhood less of the Good Guys in Power armor. I was getting tired of them being the, Go Too good faction. And the NCR remnants, wearing a Mix of stuff as armor, you see Kevlar, Metal, Lether, Paint Ball. And the Fact that the Brotherhood use human wave tactics, that’s an interesting idea.

[@shadewolf0075]

Which honestly is not the brotherhood’s doctrine at all. Those knights should’ve been going in with laser rifles and heavy weapons like Gatling lasers and fighting a like conventional army unit rather than mindless charging into the enemy.

[@breadlover302]

Brotherhood was only the good go to in Fallout 3. In Fallout 4 they weren't super clear good guys

[@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460]

@@shadewolf0075 I'd argue that the way they were portraying the Assault Rifles was them saying that it was heavy weapons. Plus, as far as I recall, they pushed in with the armored units first, allowing their unarmored forces to gain a foothold.

[@jack_The_ComicFan63]

Honestly feel bad for the ncr. They lost to a faction they canonically almost wiped out. While the ncr has corruption, expansionism and terrible leadership as a flaw, theyre the best hope for the west coast. The brotherhood of steel shouldn't even be capable of taking them down that easily. Especially when it took them 10 years in the east coast just to build the prydwen. Its kinda nonsense to have them with a full fledge army in the west coast nearly 10 years after fallout 4.

[@samuelbishop1701]

I don't see how it's nonsense. Recruiting and training for 20 years total and then sending reinforcements West in the midst of an NCR collapse. Makes total sense.

[@jack_The_ComicFan63]

@@samuelbishop1701 doesn't make sense logistically speaking for the prydwen to be in the west coast. Considering the years, fuel and time it took to build and maintain it the brotherhood shouldn't have had that blimp in California. Also, the west coast brotherhood would rather face extinction than to have that many non native recruits, they're traditionalist to the core.

[@SorceressWitch]

Not really. If you read the lore the NCR who defeated the BOS did so because they had numbers on their side. They mentioned this in NV. The NCR in this episode is a rouge group led by Moldaver who is called flame mother and worshiped by some people. There was a guy calling himself president who saw here as a rival. BOS are mentioned to be powerful but the reason for their loss originally was due to numbers. The BOS chapter in the show seems to have taken recruits so they do have higher numbers and aren't in hiding. BOS are not known to be weak in a fight and would win when they have even numbers. I think many people are forgetting why the NCR was able to win in the original war. The NCR were so big that they could replace losses unlike BOS and had more flexibility in tactics and strategy. In New Vegas I remember the BOS mentioning that there were too many NCR troops and it was a problem for them. This episode shows that NCR doesn't have that same advantage here. If you play New Vegas, Caesar wants them wiped out. You can ask why and he says each paladin is powerful so spearing them wasn't an option for him as even though they had lower numbers, he still saw them as a threat. BOS use power armour and have energy weapons, remember that. The show should have shown lasers though. Even when BOS lost the war, they crippled the NCR economy by raiding their gold reserves. NCR was never explained as some unbeatable force so I don't know why people are surprised that BOS can beat them here. Especially this group of NCR who are not the main army lol. The war began in 2250's and the show is set in 2296 so things have changed a lot since then. You're expecting them to just be sitting around all those years and not changing their tactics? Plus NCR struggled to defeat the legion at hoover damn battle 1. They won it but it was a hard victory. The legion were not gone and prepared for a rematch which is where the game takes place. If you play New Vegas, you learn that the NCR is struggling. Even the leader of the rangers doesn't believe they can win. You can choose how things go in the game but the game itself shows they were not some unbeatable faction. So BOS beating a separate NCR faction here is hardly surprising. The NCR here look smaller than the army sent to the Mojave.

[@jack_The_ComicFan63]

@@SorceressWitch fair point, I mostly just found it nonessical for the puritanical west coast brotherhood of steel acting like the eastern chapter, i feel it wouldve been a better narrative idea in the season to have a civil war of sorts between the brotherhood, the more cultist elitist west coast chapter who sees the eastern chapter as heretical due to the fact they destroyed the technology in the institute. While the brotherhood in show is mostly trying to forcefully annex the western chapter and reform them to the ideals of maxson or who ever is leader of the brotherhood in 2096.

[@user-qx8kf3st8t]

@@jack_The_ComicFan63 As far as I understand, the latest scene shows reinforcements arriving in the form of the Eastern Chapter. There is a suspicion that after learning about such high losses at the hands of raiders calling themselves the NCR, the Eastern Chapter will not be very happy. And considering that the leader (at least I think he is the leader) of the Western Chapter wants power, then in the second season an arc will be showing how the Western and Eastern Chapters will get involved in some kind of civil war