Top 5 Pokemon that Fell Off in Singles

[@3.2187_Kilometres]

7:26 Talonflame dropping off in gen 6 is hilarious considering how badly gale wings got nerfed in gen 7 as a response to Talonflame's performance in gen 6 (granted it was due to its VGC performance).

[@arielsasson3097]

It was nerfed in response to its performance in vgc.

[@3.2187_Kilometres]

@@arielsasson3097 I know, still hilarious considering how Talonflame was seen at the start of gen 6 compared to it's end.

[@IgnitedQuils]

They did the same towards Darkrai, Mimikyu and maybe Aegislash. Shows how they pay attention to VGC and not singles.

[@alexisschiffer4830]

@@3.2187_Kilometres I had to remember this was singles because I thought they were going to mention the Gale Wings nerf in Gen 7.

[@alexisschiffer4830]

@@IgnitedQuils I mean, VGC is the official tournament while Smogon and so on are not.

[@Supermateo97]

Infernape came 1st: 😁 *In a Top 5 worst list:* 😔

[@evanatorextreme1065]

I know the feeling man, I know the feeling.

[@BrandenMeyers]

It's a great day... for being sad

[@pkmntrainerred4247]

@@BrandenMeyers Especially for fans of the Ape... like me

[@XellosNi]

Prime 4th Gen Infernape: I AM A GENIUS! Modern Infernape: OH NO!

[@justascarecrow6988]

The Ape remains my favorite, nothing will change that.

[@beebobber546]

Let’s not forget Amoongus has a higher attack stat than Talonflame

[@IgnitedQuils]

Base 85 vs Base 81 and the latter is meant to be an offensive Pokemon. 😢

[@Skeloperch]

Yeah, but assuming you're some neutral defensive threat, would you rather eat a Brave Bird off of base 81 attack or a Poison Jab off of a base 85 attack? Talonflame still hit plenty hard with Brave Bird and Flare Blitz, but when it's already eating 50% from sneaky pebbles, it can maybe fire off one or two before it dies to recoil.

[@MGlBlaze]

WHAT

[@MGlBlaze]

@@Skeloperch Maybe I'm making the wrong call but I'd probably rather take Brave Bird thanks to the opponent taking recoil damage and not having to take the 30% poison chance. Base 80 power from Poison Jab isn't something you can simply ignore either, but Poison Jab's secondary effects could end up causing more problems over time.

[@shanemiller1182]

@@MGlBlaze 30% to poison would help you since amoongus can’t use toxic or spore on you now. …Assuming your opponent is running a physical/status spreading amoongus lol

[@AdaptiveReasoning]

Golem in gen 1's fall from grace was pretty interesting. It wasn't even the poor thing's fault or the meta shifting around it. It was a coding error/mechanic misunderstanding.

[@pokefanalex9504]

Wait what happened to it?

[@JackSpadeVT]

@@pokefanalex9504 Domino effect; people realized that body slam doesn't paralyze Normal types, one thing lead to another and Rhydon started having better matchups against Normal types while Golem fell to NU (UU had too many water types that just shut it down). Yes, a mechanic about NORMAL types sent GOLEM to NU in Gen 1

[@gigalodon14]

@@pokefanalex9504 It was discovered that Body Slam cant paralyze Normal Types which means that Golem‘s Explosion targets are much less vulnerable to it

[@wcv6009]

Body Slam can’t paralyze normal types in Gen 1. This wasn’t known for years and years though.

[@pokefanalex9504]

@@gigalodon14 ohhh I see, thank you!

[@bmac4]

Gastrodon's tiering run will always amuse me. In gen 7 it fell from OU to PU, quite precipitous and mostly because it has always been a Pokemon who exists in competitive to answer things.

[@FirstLastname604]

Whoever designs the thumbnails for these videos deserves a raise

[@雪者]

Those thumbnails are pretty funny

[@GaybrohamStinkton]

Is it meant to be the Yaoi paddle?

[@dueunicycle3699]

Nah they need a real job that actually contributes to our society at Large. Not content creators at once our power grid goes off the next 20 years they will be literally worthless to our society.

[@chungaplea3323]

@@dueunicycle3699 well, not really. The said artist has a lot of skill in art, and in every society throughout history artists are everywhere, alongside entertainers. Why would all of these seemingly innate human jobs go away?

[@klub8431]

@@dueunicycle3699 🤓🤓🤓

[@TheZintastic]

Even though he fell off, Terrakion left as a winner in my eyes. He became bad per-se, he simply wasn't needed anymore and the meta around him changed. He didn't end up useless, he just ended up passing the torch to others. Not a bad fate at all really.

[@OrbitalPulsar]

The Gastrodon jumping from PU to OU and then back to PU again in one patch was sad to see too

[@zaneheaston8254]

Gastrodon can’t put out enough damage, I ran into this issue when I was playing through Platinum, I had a MODEST Gastrodon, & it was still outclassed by a neutral nature Vaporeon

[@OrbitalPulsar]

@@zaneheaston8254 I think this was just before dracovish was banned, he outclassed seismitoad for a minute or so

[@DarthFhenix55]

@@zaneheaston8254 Isn't gastrodon a stall centric Mon thought?

[@dragonslayer7724]

at least it's comfy in gen 9 uu

[@Justin_Raccoon]

Infernape will always have a place in my heart. I didn't even know competitive Pokemon was a thing until Sun and Moon. But hearing it was a thing to be feared warms my heart

[@SYKim_94]

Talonflame and Darkrai are some of the best examples of how one nerf to a Pokémon’s shtick makes it so unviable 😢

[@glacierwolf2155]

Darkrai's had to be the most unfortunate. Dark Void died for Smeargle's sins. Talonflame kinda deserved it, though. Priority Tailwind is a headache to combat against.

[@SkillHunterThousandManPlan]

@@glacierwolf2155 Should've just reworked the Ability, making recoil moves have +1 priority, but in turn the recoil becomes a headache to utilize. ( 15% at the very least.)

[@IgnitedQuils]

At least Darkrai is still in Ubers. Hypnosis’ accuracy is still bad but above 50%.

[@gio9255]

Talonflame is still relatively viable but in lower tiers. Ubers like Darkrai have the unfortunate circumstance of still being too powerful for OU while being too inconsistent in Ubers.

[@JamienautMark2]

@@IgnitedQuils there’s a whole bunch of Ubers Pokémon that are essentially UbersBL. They are never used

[@ryans8081]

Another thing that led to Terrakion falling off in gen 5 is, many years after gen 5 officially ended, the "Gem" items were banned from competitive gen 5 pokemon because rock gem or fighting gem made Terrakion's stone edge or close combat, respectively, literally impossible to take on after a swords dance, even if you resisted it. So without the gems, it had to use the less powerful life orb instead, which also weakened it every time it hit the opponent.

[@cobalt7248]

I still find it hilarious how Talonflame dropped in usage in Gen 6, and NOT specifically in the Generation where the one ability that made it so broken in the beginning of Gen 6 Competitive got nerfed

[@troykv96]

I imagine it was kinda inevitable considering how SR it's everywhere, and trying to play around it is punishable.

[@Squared_Table]

But it did drop specifically in the generation that gave it its broken ability. What are you even saying?

[@sammydray5919]

@@Squared_Table He is saying that even before its ability got nerfed, Talonflame was dropping in usage in Gen 6 as the meta evolved

[@cobalt7248]

@@sammydray5919 Yeah, that's what I was trying to say

[@EmeralBookwise]

Unnecessary reactionary nerf. Talon Flame deserves justice.

[@shivambangia5193]

Galarian Corsola - went from being on almost every OU team due to the early gen 8 monsters like cinderace and darmanitan to barely being used in lower tiers also. Another one is Seismitoad in gen 8 - went from being on every team to check dracovish to only hardcore rain offence, and not common on it either.

[@cesarcastillo7129]

They lasted too Little to be on the video

[@skotiaH2O]

Man, early Gen 8 OU was truly somethinf.

[@victorlinares4137]

Seismitoad was fun to see lol

[@Hargazer]

@@skotiaH2O it was surprisingly fun and refreshing imo

[@HannibalKantter]

Galarian Consola is a Pokémon I still use sometimes, because it can make you win just by your opponent forfeiting, lmao. Will-O-Wisp, Toxic, Strength Sap and Night Shade, alongside obviously an Eviolite, with full SpDef investment. Shame that the OG Corsola is not getting an evolution for itself anytime soon...

[@bruhmphrey]

The thumbnail art has been getting a lot more dynamic and unique lately. Enjoying it!!

[@That_1_GuyYT]

I love these kinds of video's because they first make you wonder how these things even happen and then you see everything fall into place and you go "ooohhhh yea that makes sense". Keep these comming I say.

[@IamSaralinka]

Kellen’s directing and narrating and BKC’s scriptwriting are unmatched

[@B3FMandCProductions]

As someone who got into competitive singles during Gen VI, the Talonflame section really hit home. When I was new (late XY, early ORAS) to competitive, I hated the hawk and wanted it banned. As then Gen went on, I got used to it and learned how to deal with it and this video reinforces that I wasn't the only one. All that said, there was always a basic sense of enjoyment that came from spanning Brave Bird on an Adamant, max attack, Gale Wings Talonflame

[@alexdrake4081]

Fun fact: Talonflame has the highest BST of all the regional birds

[@Hargazer]

Rip early birds

[@noahtaylor1721]

Unless you count mega pidgeot

[@rjante2236]

While we're on the subject of regional birds, why the hell did they make Noctowl and Swellow not evolve? Just feels weird to have every other regional bird evolve twice.

[@CoolyCools]

@@rjante2236 swellow is perfect but noctowl needs to get buffed of some sort

[@MooseCastle]

@@rjante2236 Technically that was the standard by gen 3 as there were 2 gens with a 2 stage evolution and 1 with the full 3. They could both do with new evolutions by now though.

[@dracomenace]

Infernape droping when latias returned to OU in gen4 is a tragedy

[@lordinfernape4753]

return? I thought it was its first time in OU lmao

[@azurai3934]

@@lordinfernape4753 no Latias was in OU at first but it got banned, it’s unbanned but Soul Dew is banned in OU

[@AverageHandle_]

I thought infernape dropped like 1 subrank

[@internetguy7319]

IMO the reintroduction of Latias has been a tragedy for the tier Who even asked for it

[@lordinfernape4753]

@@internetguy7319 well, I think the only criteria that makes a Pokemon bannable from OU is if its broken or not, and the criteria that determines if it stays in a tier is if its used or not So they realized Latias wasnt OP but Latios was, so they unbanned Latias and it stayed bc it wasnt OP, or if it was it wasnt OP enough to be banned again, it just didnt have enough power and its bulk doesnt make it bannable, on the other hand Latios just has enough to be banned If Latias stopped being used while gen4 was current, it wouldve dropped to UU and if it was too OP for UU it would be in UUBL Thats how it works, why would they keep Latias banned if its not OP, Ubers pokemon are there bc they are too much for OU, thats it

[@beanburrito4405]

Mandibuzz used to be on nearly every OU team in Generation 8 for about a year until around early 2021, as it checked huge swathes of the metagame while providing valuable support. It fell off because all of the Pokémon it checked got banned

[@devilman4723]

Gen 8 OU was straight up resting on Mandibuzz's back for a while it's insane

[@MrOofio64]

Seeing it fall to UU was very sad. :(

[@Oliver-uz1fs]

Let her rest for carrying the meta game on her back lol

[@rrteppo]

Ok that's the best reason to fall. You beat up Ubers so when they get banned you can retire.

[@malakimphoros2164]

Golem went from RBY OU to NU after it was discovered that normals can't get paralysed by Body Slam.

[@rjante2236]

Insanity how a quirk in the coding caused this...

[@skeetermania3202]

@@rjante2236 How did it play out?

[@rjante2236]

@@skeetermania3202 Basically, it was discovered that moves with secondary effects (Body Slam paralyzing) can't happen if the enemy shares the type with the move. So basically, Normal types can't be paralyzed by Body Slam. Because of this, Snorlax and Chansey began running Reflect (as they had no fear of getting paralyzed), which makes Explosion useless. Then in UU, Golem dropped due to there being so many Water types that it wasn't considered good enough for the tier. Granted, Golem is still usable in OU but the tiers go off of usage.

[@droozyyy]

A common theme seems to be that people are experimenting with new Pokémon that are inherently counters to old tier defining threats. This then causes the tier defining threats to change their sets to counter their counters, which makes them less useful than they originally were

[@Aidenkun64]

I'm curious why Weavile fell off in DPP OU. I'd love to see this get a sequel

[@joshuareveles]

It's in OU rn because of how good is it lol

[@Kevin-sn8pr]

weavile is ou by tiering, but not very viable anymore. in 2015 it was considered b-, now it’s e (on the viability rankings), it’s gotten a lot worse

[@oipon1]

Weavile has been pretty meh after Garchomp's ban. Weavile hates steel types which are everywhere to tank Latias' Draco Meteor. Weavile also has Infernape syndrome where it dies too quickly from residual damage and it won't be able to destroy the teams he's supposed to dominate.If you want a pursuit trapper you use Tyranitar who a) brings treamendous utility thanks to its bulk and sand b) isn't easily walled thanks the variety of its sets Edit: wording

[@internetguy7319]

@@oipon1 who's he

[@oipon1]

@@internetguy7319 weavile

[@somerandominternetdweller]

Infernape is the literal definition of an glass cannon. It has a high chance of one shot attacks, but it’s the same on the receiving end as well. But the Pokémon is definitely one of my favorite starters, that were actually viable.

[@Skeloperch]

Infernape has better defensive stats than Lucario while having 6 less attack and 11 less special attack.

[@matthewkuscienko4616]

@@Skeloperch That doesn't make a huge difference, as Infernape is only JUST BARELY bulkier than Lucario and has a worse overall defensive typing, so I wouldn't consider this to be worth mentioning since Lucario's steel typing gives it better defensive traits overall. The only thing that makes Infernape even the tiniest bit better is access to reliable recovery in slack off, which it still doesn't use often because it's focus has always been more on offense

[@lordinfernape4753]

*a

[@yorecf9641]

@@Skeloperch and 18 more speed.

[@Shay96]

@@yorecf9641 yeah, I’d argue Infernape’s main edge over Lucario is speed. And having a more varied movepool overall.

[@darklightning2730]

Expect there to be more power creep when Scarlet and Violet release.

[@IgnitedQuils]

Can’t wait for at least one mascot legend to have a broken ability ☠️

[@bluebaron6811]

Remember that we haven't seen Ferrothorn, Haxorus, OR Bronzong in any of the gen 9 trailers.

[@UmbraStarWolf]

@@bluebaron6811 toxapex tho

[@togarashi6437]

@@bluebaron6811 Bronzong is confirmed to be in SV.

[@1tsJustKetchup]

@@bluebaron6811 pretty sure the returning pokedex leak confirmed Ferrothorn being absent while Toxapex and Corviknight remained in

[@randommmwiththreeMs]

I can't provide insight on singles, but I can provide a bit of insight in doubles. Specifically, in VGC, for a long time in gen 8 there were two Trick Room setters. Those being Dusclops and Porygon 2. Both were used a good amount (P2 used a bit more) but Dusclops was used because of it's fake out immunity, access to will-o-wisp, and added bonus of being able to see opposing items with frisk. Eventually though, P2 became the primary Trick Room setter of multiple metagames mainly due to a few things. The biggest thing was the fact that P2 had access to reliable recovery while Dusclops had to rely on Pain Split. Another thing was that as the rules changed over time, Incineroar usage rose depending on whether or not restricted legendaries were around, as well as dynamax rules. The more those two things were allowed, the more Incineroar came to ruin clops. Plus, P2 adapted better due to its access to normal typing and eerie impulse, making it one of the few reliable answers to Calyrex Shadow even outside of trick room.

[@iantaakalla8180]

I love how Dusclops still sucks anyways, and merely looked like it was a good Eviolite user. The Duskull line will never be that viable competitively permanently.

[@TalkingVidya]

This is something I love about Pokémon, when something is so used and defining but not broken, people start to brainstorm ways of dealing with it, to the point it becomes unused because everyone expects it and has a way to deal with it.

[@gio9255]

These videos continue a trend about how a Pokémon's consistency and utilitarianism is far more valuable than power and speed. Tyranitar and Heatran embody fundamental consistency and remains great OU mons to this day. Boosting sweepers and glass cannons such as Raikou, Terrakion, and Infernape come and go depending on the needs of the metagame. Mons heavily reliant on the utility of their ability and moves such as Talonflame and Darkrai are near helpless when their respective niches are nerfed. New generations introduce new moves, items, and abilities that can bring life back to a lot of inconsistent mons and I'm hoping that continues to be the case going into Scarlet/Violet.

[@CountofBleck]

Starmie no doubt was a tragic fall. Used to be an OU all star,then dropped from the sky to lower and lower tiers

[@StandardSkilledCamp]

it went from being consistently good in ou for 6 gens straight to plummeting to UU then to NU in the next two

[@RazorusR3X777]

A fallen Starmie.

[@IgnitedQuils]

It’s pretty depressing it’s not even above RU as of now.

[@guangdong6805]

I feel as if Starmie's fall down tiers doesn't exactly represent its actual viability - even though it's in NU, it's B+ in UU and B- in RU, higher than quite a few UU and RU Pokémon, which is much more than what some other Pokémon can say. It's more of a tiering anomaly if anything, sure, its viability took a hit with defoggers and more widespread use of knock off running amok, but it's not as if Starmie itself fundamentally changed. It's simply in a more specialized role now, one which its usage doesn't affect its actual viability

[@nsbathome]

Overtime, yes. However Starmie is consistently excellent in gens 1-4 and pretty solid in 5 and 6. Starmie didn't fall off within those generations.

[@IndexInvestingWithCole]

I've been asking around why talonflame fell off in 6 because i genuinely cant understand whats wrong with it. I remember it being the best mon on my teams. Excited to hear the reason!

[@bdt2002gaming]

No mention of B2W2 Venusaur? This thing got absolutely shafted by the bans of Chlorophyll on Sun teams and sleep moves entirely. The rise of Psychic spam, Spikes-stacking Steel-Types, and powerful setup sweepers like Volcarona, Cloyster, and Dragonite on weatherless teams doesn’t help matters for Venusaur either, as does stray Hidden Power Fires being boosted by Venusaur’s own Sun support from its teammates.

[@michelecozzarin]

I was so expecting RBY Golem. I guess there’s a part 2 coming up tho

[@gratedshtick]

Same with BW Venu

[@Zachmand3r]

Same here

[@i_like_chomp6382]

@@gratedshtick BW Venus alone is too vague an underrepresentative. The entire sun squad fell off after the Dugtrio ban.

[@TheLudicrousLuv]

Same lol

[@iantaakalla8180]

actually, given why RBY Golem fell off, it would not even count since it means that Golem was never good in the first place.

[@ka1ock]

In the x/y format Rypherior with rock helmet was my Talonflame counter.

[@Quix0tic707]

I would like to see a History of Trapping in Singles. Gen 2: Mean Look/Spider Web + Baton Pass Gen 3: Magnet Pull, Arena Trap and Shadow Tag (also trap pass) Gen 4: Arrival of Magnezone Gen 5: Gothitelle and Chandelure having Shadow Tag HA (though latter wasn't released) Gen 6: Mega Gengar Gen 7: Arena Trap banned in OU Gen 8: Ban of Shadow Tag from Ubers

[@ShinyTillDawn]

Why tf would they ban Shadow Tag in Ubers? That's silly!

[@thesithcynic3398]

Infernape’s fall from grace breaks my heart.

[@CaptainJLinebeck]

Should also point out that the other reason why Jynx easily countered Exeggutor in Gen 2 was due to the Special stat split giving Jynx a higher Base Special Attack, while cutting down Exeggutor's Special Defense by a lot.

[@lyingcorn]

I'm surprised Golem wasn't mentioned. They were first concidered just as good as Rhydon (a pokemon that nowadays is the number 7 Mon) and the only difference between the two was preference, but now it is pretty niche

[@iantaakalla8180]

In a sense, given that the reason that Golem fell was because of a misunderstanding of RBY mechanics, Golem was never suited for OU and it does not fit this list.

[@Pretzel_Waifu]

Please do more of these, the quality of these videos has been amazing as of late and I LOVE these sort of videos!

[@TheHero136]

A Pokemon that I think fell off quite hard is Gengar in Generation 1. Gengar had things like the normal immunity and fast Hypnosis which made it a decent lead in RBY OU. It also packed Explosion to pick off weakened foes, could irritate things even more with Confuse Ray, packed Mega Drain for Rhydon (and Golem when it existed) and threw out Thunderbolts for Starmie, Slowbro, Cloyster and Lapras. These are good qualities and allowed for Gengar to be decently offensive. However, certain things started happening. First, Jynx popped on as a good sleep spreader and a better anti-lead then Gengar since it had a sleep inducing move that was more reliable. Plus, its psychic trashed Gengar back hard. Alakazam naturally outspeeds Gengar and can ruin with Thunder Wave. Exeggutor also didn't mind anything from Gengar besides sleep, in fact Gengar's prominence was a good reason for running Exeggutor as Gengar couldn't punish it very hard. But above all else is Tauros being able to just wipe out Gengar with earthquake, along with Snorlax doing the same or slowly boosting with Amnesia. The only normals that Gengar was untouched by which was relevant was Chansey, who couldn't do much to it and the rare Dodrio and Persian. Even then, Gengar can't do much back to Chansey, especially when its reflect neuters explosion. All Gengar has is shaky Hypnosis. And when players realized it didn't actually offer much defensively, it went down in value. Gengar's reign in Generation 1 is sadly not really existent anymore.

[@K1TSZU]

interesting, thanks 4 sharing

[@christopherstardeluxe]

well, terrakion is one of the best offensive pokemon in Almost Any Ability (AAA), with access to adaptability his choice band set just obliterate almost anything that didn't resist it. And i didn't mentioned the hidden potential of tinted lens...

[@vitovitovito4927]

Wasn't it banned?

[@Musasensei1674]

​@@vitovitovito4927 no..

[@danielferrieri7434]

Video Idea: How Good was Gen 1 Pokémon Actually

[@Matthew_Klepadlo]

Great idea!

[@jjtheenton]

Revolutionary.

[@alexcoupe.]

You mean how Great was Gen 1?

[@thecriticalghost4626]

​@@alexcoupe. How was

[@shawncabagnot7245]

@@alexcoupe. The anti-genwunners all know that answer

[@videakias3000]

2 pokemon that recently fell off in singles are galarian zapdos and regieleki. they used both used to be in gen 8 OU but for some reason they both fell off. regieleki fell to UU while galarian zapdos in UUBL. I don't know what happened but I have a theory: smogon's outdated page for regieleki has it running one set with reflect light screen rapid spin and explosion. this set is completely outdated since I have rarely if ever seen anyone running it, most people who used regieleki used more offensive movesets. I have seen a lot's of people running alola nine-tails which can both summon hail on the switch and has the move aurora veil(which is basically reflect+light screen that for 5 turns as long as heil is active). so probably players realized that spenting one turn to set one screen is faster than waiting 2 turns to set 2 screens. also regieleki's movepool is not very good offensively so it does not have a huge niche in OU,it is more of a cleaner rather than anything else. as about the gallarian zapdos I have no idea. isn't its role to punish the enemy defoger thanks to the defiant ability? it does seem better defiant user than bisharp,yet bisharp hasn't fallen. maaaaaaaybe bisharp has stayed relevant thanks to its access to swords dance.

[@justinnzamora5366]

It's a shame we won't be getting a dedicated Halloween episode this year, but I'm always pleased to see more FSG content.

[@Skeloperch]

Ran out of Gastly line Pokemon.

[@justinnzamora5366]

@@Skeloperch FSG did make a video on Cofagrigus & Runerigus earlier this month.

[@redfieldwong717]

He always has one at Halloween day

[@Hargazer]

Why not something on the history of ghost types?

[@justinnzamora5366]

@@Hargazer Back in 2017 (I believe), FSG did a video reflecting on the Ice type's competitive history.

[@Unknown_Gamer_NL]

Chandelure fell off hard in gen 5, but it was more of an immediate drop. Probably due to new toy syndrome, it was used and feared in ou but after it wore off chandelure actually dropped to uu. (In which it is now banned but it shows how bad it was)

[@rjante2236]

Crazy thing is, Chandelure could have been Ubers if they didn't change the Hidden Ability last minute. It got stuck with mediocre Infiltrator instead of the hilariously broken Shadow Tag.

[@NobodyDungeons]

So, one thing I managed to pull off with infernape was investing all my points into speed, and bulk which allowed me to switch in on more occasions with either nasty plot or sword dance giving it more than enough power to ohko opposing threats.

[@neptuniamarina4924]

Some potential options for part 2 GSC/ADV Porygon 2 ADV Regice RBY Lapras And potentially some lower tiers as well, such as ADV Solrock or ADV Himonchan

[@HaiThereManchannel]

Aww, I was hoping for a Gengar remake on Halloween. Oh well, this video is great too.

[@Dhsjdjfjsnsfj]

Are Patrons allowed to vote for remakes? Maybe we could get the Gengar remake next week then

[@victorlinares4137]

We might still get it. The trend is one non specifc vid followed by traditional vid

[@fabioalanmp]

Never have been this early, probably Talonflame and Tauros are there. Nevermind, I misunderstood the title.

[@niedas3426]

Snorlax prolly too. Edit: Nevermind, this is about pokemon that fell off in usage in the same generation they were good in. So not snorlax seeing it still dominates a 20 yr old metagame lol.

[@andream9669]

Multiple videos idea: how good were a type in every generation. I think we would get an amazing series.

[@Chimeratech_O.D.]

Iirc, MandjTV has a few videos that cover the types over the generations, albeit not as much competitive coverage.

[@MrcreeperDXD777]

They did ice types, but discontinued the series for some reason

[@ninja9567]

I still feel bad for these mons. I loved using Infernape and Talonflame in my in-game teams, and they’re both great. I just wish I could see much better games from them.(New note: I actually love using Infernape in Pokemon Showdown these days, and it can be quite fun to use)

[@GenreChowderStudios]

Hearing Raikou described as “high maintenance” is uniquely amusing to me. Diva Raikou pitching a hissy-fit until he gets his secret menu Starbucks.

[@locomokuu2471]

Infernape is in my top 3 favorites, so it's sad to see him fall off. Had your time in the spotlight, king 😔

[@lucayaki]

Keldeo is also another mon that fell off in gen 6. Serperior, Amoonguss, Tornadus-T, Volcanion and Slowbro rose up in usage so much it struggles to hit many mons. M-Lopunny and M-Medicham are also some of the best megas in the meta, so you don't really need another fighting type on your team most of the time

[@Psycho3418]

DPP Scizor could be considered. At least since it was one of the best and most used mons in OU, especially when Salamence was still around as it was one of the best revenge killers out there. But eventually it fell out of favor as metagame progresses and it's flaws became more pronounced (such as not being able to take hits well despite it's excellent typing). It even had a similar story in Gen 5 and one of the reasons Mega Scizor worked in Gen 6-7 was because it's added bulk actually allowed it to take hits.

[@wessac1627]

only really fell off bc once salamence was gone the entire metagame revolved around heatran. if DPP continued for another year or two heatran would have been banned too

[@SteveScapesYT]

Next Time on FSG: Mons that were OU greats that became bad but then became good again -Redemption Arc RBY Jolteon, ADV Regice, DPP Metagross, etc

[@Erikk_is_Tired]

Thought this vid would've loved talking about how Golem dropped to NU in gen 1. I assume it probably wouldn't be 'fair' though considering it's drop was caused by the fixing of a mechanic in gen 1 on showdown.

[@thefanfictiontitan]

What is that mechanic exactly?

[@AverageHandle_]

@@thefanfictiontitan body slam not paralysing normal types, it was fixed and then chansey and lax ran reflect making explosion do way less and not be a problem

[@Erikk_is_Tired]

@@thefanfictiontitan The mechanic was that normal types were not affected by the 30% chance to be paralyzed by body slam. The mechanic wasn't ever implemented on showdown until a couple years ago because nobody knew that was how it worked at the time. Golem fell to lower tier because it's explosion was less useful than rhydon's bulk because there was less chance of seeing a paralyzed Tauros or Snorlax to blow up on. There were some other factors that I probably missed on why it fell out of OU though. It fell to NU because Golem feared tentacruel, UU's best pokemon because it feared x4 effectiveness from its STAB and iirc Tentacruel is faster so it is able to use wrap for basically free chip damage. Plus there was a lot of other scary things like victorybell (idk how to spell it lol). It is still a good OU pokemon though. It can still be used in place of rhydon is you really want explosion or slightly more threatening power.

[@ChampionMarx]

These deep dive meta development videos are my favorite of your content. Keep up the great work

[@IgnitedQuils]

For Exeggutor, it makes sense. Despite four of its stats being great, it has a low special defense stat and speed, plus many common weaknesses. It may have utility with Sleep Powder but it is an offensive Pokemon. So it’s two stats and weaknesses are why it’s held back. And its limited offensive movepool as it’s a Grass type. It’s depressing for Talonflame since its only high stat is speed and the rest are mediocre to somewhat below average. It has a good STAB combo and Flying is hard to wall. So crippling its main upside after one generation is upsetting. I’m not that sad for Infernape since it’s still the same and UU is not a bad tier to be in.

[@victorlinares4137]

It UUBL bc it woulr decimate the tier lol

[@munchrai6396]

You know, I was kind of expecting this list to be a little more dramatic in the Pokemon's loss of playability. Advance Raikou is the only one on this list to actually drop a tier and I think it might be a bit more interesting to look at the most dramatic fall offs rather than just the slight downgrades of top Pokemon

[@CoralReaper707]

I don't care if Talonflame fell off or what people say about him, Gale Wings pre nerf was some of the most fun I've ever had using a Pokemon.

[@crobatman4448]

Suicune in gsc has been having a bad time as well actually,the legendary beasts are suffering.(seriously tho it's now lower than a couple uubl mons and could drop behind alakazam and slum it out with blissey as ou's "worst".)

[@zade3488]

Garchomp fell off pretty hard in Gen 4. It used to be unstoppable in OU but now it's literally never seen there

[@bluebird4614]

Didn't it got banned?

[@eyecontrol4900]

@@bluebird4614 im pretty sure that dude is being sarcastic

[@bluebird4614]

@@eyecontrol4900 Sorry I didn't get it at first🥲

[@zade3488]

@@bluebird4614 Haha nw I figured it was subtle enough that it mightn't come across as a joke.

[@Magikarpador]

I kinda wanna play dpp now. Kinda wanna try a Close Combat, Overheat, Thunder Punch, Uturn expert belt Infernape. With only one special move and the power of overheat as well as the boost from expert belt for the thrests you need to hit you can probably get away with not much special investment. Thunder punch is just for bulky gyarados which iirc is weirdly common now

[@232tvustruysant]

Now for the Pokémon that got L + ratioed

[@ultimapower6950]

We all know about the tragedy of Darth Golem the wise from gen 1

[@trustyzero1671]

FSG:shitting on terrakion Terra battle music: 🎶 🎵 🔥 🕺

[@sarasaland4709]

Justice for Infernape. It fell off in Gen 4 OU and got a terrible Gen 4 remake that didn’t give it any new tools to keep up.

[@Blazeknight7]

Hopefully one day my boy Infernape will get into a game with a competitive ladder and get some new tools to keep up. Maybe Scarlet/Violet DLC??

[@JoetadXD]

hey atleast its good in gen 6 and gen 7 uu

[@senseifarm]

Anyone else notice the off-pixels whenever the camera zooms onto Terrakion? Noticable at 3:29 for example

[@troykv96]

I believe Infernape is a decent spot right now, he isn't longer someone you can just slap into a team, but he can hard counter you, and thanks to his quite diverse movepool, you can't expect him to be played in one particular way.

[@SoulBro12]

I don't think it counts but I remember most of the vish, urshifu and melmetal counters being popular at OU and my favorite one was Stunkfish for being decent against 2 out of the 3 Attack monsters but sadly it didn't last long after the wave of bans.

[@pkmntrainerred4247]

It just makes me sad that it's so hard to make Infernape the beast it was back then.

[@lorddarkrai5753]

UU in Gen 7 is a lot higher than OU in Gen 4 considering powercreep so Infernape is still pretty good , the game is just not about working with offense defense tricky strategies stalling and stuff , it has turned to a lazy fighting game dependent on stats and nothing else.

[@grapenut6094]

@@lorddarkrai5753 Thats what the tiers are supposed to prevent, wouldnt be such a problem if gamefreak wasnt so against adding a 6v6 option in their games. 3v3 and 4v4 doubles are terrible formats where slugging each other with big damage until someone wins is the norm and things like bulk, setup, hazards, status, cleric and wish support are a waste of time usually.

[@trevorromein14]

Idea for other videos: Hey, you remember that "How good were Ice-Types ACTUALLY?" video? More of that with the rest of the type chart

[@samuell8721]

Nerfs and Power Creep just happens on every generations like Talonflame, Keldeo, Mega Kan but still some Pokémon like Ferro Lando and Garchomp still maintains as top threats

[@internetguy7319]

That's because some things in Pokemon are inherently consistent. Certain things are just good because of the mechanics of Pokemon. Not everything is going to be equal. Keldeo isn't worse off because it got worse, but because a new Pokemon was coincidentally really good and beats it 100%

[@hologram3659]

Who else was confused at the Rotom-Heat being hit super effectively with crunch and got confused

[@rubiconprime1429]

Was RBY Golem already mentioned in a previous video? That guy fell from OU to NU

[@orepharus]

No I thought it would be in this vid aswell

[@tktyga77]

Nice to get the opposite kind of video of what got good overtime, especially since it gives a frame of how they adapt by the strategies despite falling off of previous sets.

[@aleisterleopold6229]

L + Ratio + You Fell Off + Weather Only Lasts 5 Turns + Skill Issue + You Miss Status Move + R.I.P. Bozo + You Got Scald Burned + Got Intimidated + You Are Outclassed And Lose To Landous T + You Take 50% From Sealth Rock

[@Azure1013]

Imagine if Talonflame got Heavy Duty Boots in Gen VI...

[@Matthew_Klepadlo]

Top 5 Pokémon that are Kyurem: 1. Kyurem 2. Kyurem 3. White Kyurem 4. Black Kyurem 5. Kyu+rem

[@sunshinemarmot7070]

Surprised RBY Golem isn't here, who absolutely vanished from OU after body slam was discovered to be unable to paralyze normal types and people started to run barrier on snorlax and chansey, completely invalidating Golem's explosion niche

[@goldenhydreigon4727]

Meanwhile... Hydreigon in Gen 6 falling to UU: Oh no! Also Hydreigon remaining there while also seeing a lot of play in OU, which it also did in Gens 7 and 8: Anyway.

[@flarecoils1573]

16:17 Poor Raikou, they couldn't even use his theme ;-;

[@SemiHypercube]

Ah yes this is definitely Pokémon Snap also when is the video on Defog and/or Knock Off, you say "the newly-buffed" right before both of those moves when you get to gen 6 in like every video

[@nsbathome]

Knock Off was niche in gens 3-5 due to abysmal power. In gen 6, it's power is 65 and was distributed to many key dark types and physical attakers. Defog was worthless before gen 6. In that gen, it gained the ability to remove hazards.

[@Zachmand3r]

Surprised not to see RBY golem on here golem and rhydon used to be a famous duo with fans having a hard time deciding which rock and ground type was better. But now golem has fallen off its in nu now and rhydon is clearly the better option maybe on the next list we will see RBY golem

[@cadencenavigator958]

I'm surprised gen one Golem didn't show up here. Now that's a meteoric fall.

[@Penguindude1]

I'm surprised someone used the term "meteoric" correctly. That's not an insult, so many people use the term "meteoric rise", even though meteors don't rise, they fall.

[@cadencenavigator958]

To be fair, which way meteors go is a matter of perspective. If you have a meteor get captured by Jupiter and you're on Earth, is that meteor not rising away from you? ... but also yeah, I think they're looking for more like. "Rising like the dawn star."

[@oatmongen4263]

You can tell BKC wrote the last portion, since it mentions nidoqueen so much.

[@thetreyceratops]

As a Torterra fan, hearing about Infernape’s drop off was very fun to hear

[@n484251]

Me, the Empoleon Enjoyer. HAHAHAHAHAHA

[@thetreyceratops]

@@n484251 and now in Gen 9, Torterra and Empoleon both got massive buffs while Infernape is the worst of the trio

[@Ocarinist_Drew]

I remember at the beginning of Gen 5, Haxorus was everywhere, but he fell of pretty hard, pretty quickly, when people realized he wasn't quite fast enough or bulky enough to compete with the other dragons. He just kinda didn't really have a good niche with all the other dragons outclassing him in various niches. Which was a shame, because he was definitely a fan favorite of Gen 5. Who doesn't love Haxorus?

[@sephondranzer]

Poor Eggy 😢

[@gagegarlitz1962]

Once you realize that this is just what BKC sounds like when he's not winging it, you can't unhear it.

[@FGC_JohnDo]

Didn’t Golem Fell off in Gen 1 after a bug was found that wasn’t accounted?

[@rjante2236]

Yep, Body Slam was unable to paralyze Normal types, which gave Snorlax freedom to run Reflect, which makes Explosion mostly useless. Then after Golem dropped to UU it was ass because Water types are king there. Rip RBY Golem 🙏

[@biscuit5857]

He forgot the final nail in the coffin for Talonflame. The nurf.

[@GIR177]

Calling BW Whimscott before even watching it. People thought Prankster was such a busted ability back then.

[@bdt2002gaming]

Bruh it still is 😂 people have to run specific Dark-Types now

[@TheOnlyGBeast]

XY conkeldurr went from being among the most common leads in OU to being UUBL. even from the beginning of XY I never saw what was so great about it. sure it had high hp and attack, but that was honestly it... even toxic orb guts variants struggled to break through the bulkiest physical walls and his hp stat just simply cannot make up for that pathetic speed stat with threats like talonflame, fairies and tornadus-T kicking around

[@KeebeThePlush]

The only true enemy in Pokémon is not the evil teams, but power creep

[@雪者]

Accurate

[@atariyhenburg8347]

You don't know anything about competitive quit spamming

[@immortallegacy100]

At the very beginning of BW, I discovered the beauty that is Hitmontop. He's a spinner with a fighting a steel priority move, Intimidate, as well as a solid Close Combat (and Stone Edge). He hits harder than you'd think, and can also take a punch. If you switch him into a Terrakion using Close Combat, it'll always win the fight due to Intimidate and priority. I was personally never afraid of Terrakion even at the beginning of Gen 5, and all because my team needed a dedicated spinner and on a whim I traded my own Terrakion for Hitmontop.

[@cainandabel7059]

what do you call a jewish pokemon trainer? Ash.

[@chester1882]

Mimikyu’s fall from hype and grace would be interesting if relevant

[@themilkman369]

Forretress was meta hazard and spin user up until ferrathorn in gen 5

[@Tyrant-eater]

It's funny how talonflame's usage dropped before the gale wings nerf.

[@MegaUMU]

Bkc infernape dpp: 30min video Meanwhile Kellen FS gaming: 6min part of list of 5 pokemon video

[@zeenoh5811]

the longest by far is lapras dropping from gen 1 OU after 18 years