I know its been said countless times at this point but this man is probably the most criminally underrated guntuber out here. Love the content, i dont shoot nothing but 9mm, 223 and 762x39 but i still come to watch all the tests!
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
Appreciate that!😎👊
@paulscountry456 Жыл бұрын
Channel should grow, great personality and thumbs up galore.
@DasGoodSoup Жыл бұрын
@@ToolsandTargets far and away one of the better channels
@jaredevildog6343 Жыл бұрын
@@DasGoodSoup um , no , the best.
@billieglennbusch2189 Жыл бұрын
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@taofledermaus Жыл бұрын
Probably a great round for people who don't handle recoil well but I bet it would be good for everyone else since follow up shots would be very controllable.
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
True. A mag full of these would leave quite a mark.😆
@FL-Kaiman Жыл бұрын
2 of my favorite guntubers commenting! So cool
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
@@FL-Kaiman As long as I'm first and he's second!😜
@stevesmith756 Жыл бұрын
After seeing many person in the ER with wounds. That round with the energy transfer would make any bad guy stop doing the bad thing to you. That’s what the good guy wants. Stop the bad guy from doing harm. That round would def mess someone up
@MrRawnch11 ай бұрын
The speed and fragmentation of this ammo is why it was carried by air marshalls. This is an ideal self-defense round if you're living in an apartment or a condo. I have this loaded in my Sig 1911 for home self defense.
@MichaelCacciatore-b8p2 ай бұрын
Check your state law's on fragmenting ammo I've bought lots of it and still have it in Florida you can't use it for self-defense
@Bubbychungs2 күн бұрын
Air Marshalls carry the .357 sig as well. Take note everyone. The Glock 33 may be the best pistol ever made.
@Brykk Жыл бұрын
Thank you for keeping the glock 27 in the testing lineup. Im one of the dwindling few that still use it as an everyday carry.
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
It's a great gun. Just a little chunky for the capacity.😎👍
@robertjones2146 Жыл бұрын
Love my 27 too man! Wish we could see a 43x or 48 style .40cal..... it would sell! People still low key know the .40 is a great round
@youngboyharless9769 Жыл бұрын
@@robertjones2146 i agree. 40. Isn't a dead round. Just as 45. Isn't slow and weak. 9mm, 40. And 45. Have put many dicks in the dirt over the years lol 40. Is especially handy in woods situations. If your gun will cycle underwoods 200 grain hardcast you'd have yourself a decent woods gun (Not grizzly territory) in a small footprint ( Glock 27, M&P Shield 40. Etc. )
@almaadams3631 Жыл бұрын
40sw. is very efficient in short barrels.
@CarterGoHam Жыл бұрын
Glock 23 all day but love the 27s
@brickhammerSS Жыл бұрын
Looks like a shotgun blast! Thanks for remembering us 40 guys tools. Wicked looking stuff for sure
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
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@JacksonNagy228 күн бұрын
This is my carry ammo in my Glock 23 Gen 5. I’ve shot this ammo at the range enough to know it’s not a gimmick. It’s lightweight (helping with appendix carry) and it runs flawlessly. I would highly recommend to those who are considering purchasing (any caliber).
@pewpewTN Жыл бұрын
.40 is a pretty good caliber. I've never understood why it gets so much hate.
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
Always in stock too.
@snakeplissken44 Жыл бұрын
It's a damn good caliber!
@cookie5535 Жыл бұрын
Insecurity from 9mm fans. Their short and weak muh capacity cope is really hard to deal with. Their caliber is objectively worse performing with the same JHP than .40 every time. The recoil is more handlable than .45
@504Trey Жыл бұрын
@@cookie5535 9mm is better
@cookie5535 Жыл бұрын
@@504Trey Not in any way shape or statistic is 9mm > .40. Except magazine capacity. Lol
@RimfireRanger Жыл бұрын
.40 S&W = best do all pistol caliber! Love it!
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
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@MichaelMiller-op5sx3 ай бұрын
Agreed I got one on my hip loaded with this ammunition
@nexcpu Жыл бұрын
Thank you for another great quality video. These are amazing ballistics for such short barrels. You’ve made a 40 fan of me for sure!
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
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@robwilson3749 Жыл бұрын
Thanks, Tools. See there?? It's like I've said for some time now; these tests are giving away what we've known for eons and the more people that start to rethink. 40 as a usable round, the less for us the next time the ammo shortage rears its head. ".40 sucks. You hear me? It sucks. It'll wreck your guns, wreck your wrists, wreck your looks when it KB's in your under supported Glock .40 barrel and frags your face and blows your fingers off! .40 sucks. Bad. Bad. Bad. The FIB left it for 9mm. because it sucks so badly and you know you can trust those guys!"
@VOOP9 Жыл бұрын
I don't own a 40 but I really enjoyed this video. I said it before and I'll say it again, you are my FAVORITE Guntuber and you make GREAT videos! Keep uo the great work brother!
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
Thank you sir. Appreciate that again!😎👊
@rumadyetbro6799 Жыл бұрын
I personally use these in my edc, and i am not afraid of recoil. I do so because if i have to pull my weapon in a public place i do not need to worry about what is behind what i am shooting at as these will not over penetrate and injure an innocent person in the background. Yes i would still be mindful of what is behind as anyone should. And fyi my edc is a G27 and service is G22 for work.
@jinglelingle26 Жыл бұрын
Try it from a carbine...gets around 2600 to 2700 fps
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
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@gregholsbeke3484 Жыл бұрын
Thanks I carry a 23 full time getting ready to start carrying my 29 10mm the civil defense impressed me Thanks again
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
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@aft52649 ай бұрын
This ammo is pretty underrated. Reliable and extremely light
@joemokrzycki2006 Жыл бұрын
Whew that wound cavity is nasty
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
Mhmm
@adjacentchannel4 күн бұрын
I bought hundreds of these rounds at a discount from a police agency that quit using them. Loud as hell but they work great in my Beretta 96, the lighter weight doesn't weigh it down as much and the 5" barrel keeps those speeds to the max. It's one of those rounds that not only drops so much energy in the target but also deposits all those little bits that cut their own path.
@Zombie_Xin Жыл бұрын
Went to look for the 10mm version of this ammo and glad to see it was already tested last year. 2400 fps and this ammo is just pure nuts.
@timrobinson6573 Жыл бұрын
Imagine if the 10mm was shot out of a 16 inch carbine. You might get 2700 fps.
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
Faster than a lot of AK rounds.😆
@efrey614 Жыл бұрын
@@timrobinson6573 you do get 2700 from 10mm from a 16” and 2600 from a 50 grain 9mm 16inch. As far as 9 mm goes it’s the most energy I’ve ever seen and it does zip right through 3a vests in 9 mm for sure even from a handgun at 2200 fps.
@Holret4 ай бұрын
practically at the speed of a 7.62x39 round. Insane!
@ShastaBean2 ай бұрын
@@timrobinson6573 More like 2900 fps. The heavier 70 gr Overwatch is what is near 2700 fps from 16" barell.
@hartsickdisciple Жыл бұрын
This is the exact loading I was shooting at my local range. The range officer came over to make sure I wasn't shooting a rifle caliber on the pistol range. It's LOUD.
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
Yeah, these Civil Defense rounds are some of the loudest ammo I test in any caliber.
@jaredevildog6343 Жыл бұрын
Man I like your channel. I bought this liberty ammo probably a couple of years ago. Just happened upon them online and bought a couple of boxes. It's nice to finally see the ammo does what they said it's supposed to do.
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
Appreciate that.😎👊
@arby234811 ай бұрын
I found this on a web page discussing effective game killing, "Frangible bullets tend to produce coma at much lower velocities than traditional hunting bullets (see bullet construction). With frangible bullets at low velocities, instant coma may be due to hydraulic shock causing blood pressure spikes in the brain as suggested by Hornady ballisticians. In other instances, coma can follow very shortly after impact due to multiple pain centers being disrupted to such an extent that the animal must go into coma. That said, frangible bullets may also send out particles which strike the CNS directly.". So with these liberty rounds there is this, there is the high velocity shock factor, and the 40cal core does get the 12" FBI minimum. Finally, the over penetration risk is minimal. What's not to like?
@scb185119 күн бұрын
I shoot this ammo out of my Smith & Wesson M&P M2.0 Pro Series 5" barrel semi auto. I've always been concerned with over penetration causing unintended collateral damage. In addition to creating one of the most destructive temporary and permanent cavities, this Liberty Civil Defense product is possibly the safest defense ammo on the market today. Best of both worlds.
@noahmercy-mann4323 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the test, partner! I am 100 with you on preferring the heavier standard construction HPs. 155-165 Gold Dot or HST is awfully hard to beat in the 40...enough velocity to expand reliably even with cloth or other barriers, and enough sectional density to penetrate deeply. I will add though, I wouldn't feel unprotected if these Liberty CDs were the only thing available.
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
Same here. I definitely wouldn't throw em away.
@matthewhartup941 Жыл бұрын
To me it looked like they performed kind of similar to how a JHP .223 or 5.56 of similar weight would. Big initial wound cavity with fragmentation and the base/core traveled on with a tendency to yaw, tumble and/or curve out.
@caleb6988 Жыл бұрын
They performed awesome and I will have to find me some of them this week. Thank you brother tools for another great freedom seed testing video.
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
Thank you sir.😎👊
@terrybrown5402 Жыл бұрын
I only shoot 380 556 22lr 9mm and 7.62×39 and 7.62 tokarev. Now that may seem like alot but it really isnt. But i still love seeing all these videos on 10mm 40 cal 357 and 38 32 acp 25 acp 357 sig etc. Its great to see performance to make educated decisions.
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
Appreciate you checkin it out!😎👊
@kimness7796 Жыл бұрын
Thanks!!! I appreciate your commentary on recoil, muzzle blast, etc. If a polymer frame carry gun delivers 450 foot pounds of energy, you can probably feel it. I like the copper base delivering a fatal wound itself with a penetration of say 10 " plus. 12" here.
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
Definitely some light stuff.😎👍
@arby234811 ай бұрын
I'd like to see the 357 Sig Liberty Civil Defense put through your paces. It looks very promising. Maybe compare that to the 10mm version even though you've already done 10mm.
@C8Z51Scott Жыл бұрын
This ammo has been known to defeat Level IIIa soft body armor. Military Channel had this ammo and he was surprised. I would love to shoot this ammo through m6bold Ruger PC-40 16 inch barrel. Great video.
@richki.24 Жыл бұрын
I can feel those shock waves all the way here in Phila ....
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
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@_JimS Жыл бұрын
This ammo will save 2/3 the weight of a 180g loaded magazine too. Personally I changed ALL of my carry ammo to this. .380- 9mm-40- 45acp. For training I'm more interested in speed of draw and getting the first round on target, so I use my hand loads for that.
@J.Wick. Жыл бұрын
Weight is something to consider as well...great point! 10rds of 60gr vs 10rds of 180gr for example. 600gr vs. 1800gr. Definitely gonna feel that difference.
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
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@LuckyDog350X Жыл бұрын
I am on the fence with these, but it is hard to deny that damage in the gel however shallow. I too prefer a hunk of lead that stays intact and opens up properly. Have a good one brother see you on the next one.
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
Appreciate ya!😎👊
@phillycheesetake Жыл бұрын
I think there's something to be said for the ability of fragmenting rounds to achieve incapacitation local to where they hit. Someone might be able to tough out a single thru-and-thru in a muscle group or extremity, but there's no way they're toughing out those dozen pieces of fragmenting copper. If that hits the abdominals, those abdominals are immobilized. If it hits a thigh, that thigh isn't bearing weight. The Miami Dade shootout and the early strike by special agent Benjamin Grogan to Matix's arm comes to mind, what if the 9mm had fragmented instead of just passing through? Now I don't imagine it'll perform through autoglass and other barriers like a 180gr does. Still, something to think about, not sure you need to shoot through autoglass for home defense.
@funwithballistics1016 Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@MasiahKwest Жыл бұрын
It sad most of the people who comment doesn’t understand velocity that = penetration. 2000 ft is fast. Anything standing in the way is gone. Guess it take logical thinking to figure that out. Something travel 2000 ft towards your body and hit your bone is toast. It the reason this man did gel test and this test out did regular lead with 165 and 180. Ijs Btw it a video on this round heading pork and beef test shot. This bullet destroys fresh and bones.
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
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@Nutty.357 Жыл бұрын
Those are pretty impressive! I am weird on the light weights too, but not to shabby at all! The cloth didnt seem to effect them any on what they do. Would be interested in how they group as you add distance and if the come apart as fast with no cloth/light clothing. They could add some lead shot bb's in that hollow cavity for extra effect lol and weight! Like no muzzle flip compared to standard 40SW! Thanks for the tests! 💥💥
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
One thing they definitely have is speed.
@funwithballistics1016 Жыл бұрын
Yeah that would be cool. Magsafes are the best self defense ammo ever made. I saw Testing2741 make clones with tungsten drill bits.
@TommyboyGTP Жыл бұрын
Love seeing these 40 tests, keep them coming! Forty Forever!
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
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@ronaldbarnes8302 Жыл бұрын
Pretty good performance. Still not sold on the light for caliber bullets. Glad to see some more 40 cal love. Thanks for the video Tools!
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
Appreciate ya.😎👍
@jeromebuchanan4346Ай бұрын
I agree I'm questioning the penetration. But I'm not much on over penetration if you know what I mean. If I wasn't worried I would carry 10mm.
@danielrodriguez5463 Жыл бұрын
Good review, impressive speed.
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
Yessir.😎👍
@frankbrowning328 Жыл бұрын
I agree with you. Too light for me + I don't know that those little pieces that come off the base are going to do well against bone such as sternum and the base travel path is completely unpredictable, The velocity is very impressive and it may provide a truly nasty wound but this round isn't for me
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
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@lens7859 Жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to put some pork ribs in front of the gel, kind of like Paul Harrel does. Wonder how much of the explosion would be inside someone vs being stopped by the rib cage ??
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
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@steelpunisher6944 Жыл бұрын
As good as they performed, I’m one of those guys that can’t get past the super light weight. I wonder how it would do after hitting a rib or sternum? But I sure wouldn’t want to be on the receiving end of one. You sir are the best on KZbin for a reason. Awesome test and info for people to make up their minds. 👍🇺🇸
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
Appreciate ya, brother.😎👊
@dimasmafiaempire7908 Жыл бұрын
Yea I agree, I’m sticking with 180’s and 165’s
@ShastaBean2 ай бұрын
It does better than JHP from what I've seen. I can point to a video that demonstrates it if someone wants. Both turn bone to granules, but the Liberty gets through and out to the backstop. The JHP stops at the bone. And that was a scapula. A sternum or rib is like paper compared to that. So the JHP might do ok, but the denser bone basically proves the point.
@darkstarninja5978 Жыл бұрын
The benefit of these rounds are for those people who are kinda recoil sensitive since they are very mild in firearms. i had a 357 magnum revolver that i Hated to shoot cuz the recoil would hurt my hands, but these in 357 were like shooting a 38 light load and was my primary carry round when i still had that revolver. great testing as always tools. i would not hesitate to have these as my primary carry rounds. very nasty looking in the gel, it would make the bad guy rethink their life choices if they still alive after taking that hit lol.
@randlerichardson5826 Жыл бұрын
Thats why I load lite bullets for my deer rifles. It’s like a add I seen for some kind of Hornady ammo it said speed kills and it does exactly that to with the shockwave
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
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@bosco2352 Жыл бұрын
Nice!! I commented regarding using Herters/ Winchester white box hollow points for my .40 cal a while back. Still patiently waiting on that if you’re ever free for it. This video highlights the first HP rounds I bought for my .40 so thank you for a video I didn’t know I needed!! Love your work sir.
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
Appreciate that. On the lookout.😎👍
@JonDavidMcRee Жыл бұрын
I first tried Liberty Civil Defense after multiple surgeries left me with a very weak wrist. After trying it I’m a believer and carry nothing else. The recoil is noticeably less and I can shoot my 9mm with confidence and I carry it in my snub 357. That is a polymer that was very uncomfortable to shoot but it was even better than the 9mm.
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
It is very light recoiling.
@DinoNucci Жыл бұрын
40 is the correct answer vs human sized questions!! 🎉🎉
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
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@Alex1Tremo6 күн бұрын
Thanks for video testing 40
@johnlacasse8893 Жыл бұрын
I carry a competing frangible (sinterfife) mixed into my magazines. Also have traditional HP and ball. I also train with mixed mags as well... That way I don't get zoned out on what's going on. Variety of felt recoil and volume keeps attention and focus on trigger control, and hopefully not getting sloppy with the trigger.
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
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@jmichaelcarbonniere9549 Жыл бұрын
John, I think the Sinterfire suffers from the same problem as the the Liberty, a serious lack of penetration with anything substantial. I do like the explosiveness (is that a word?) Of the rounds but I want a lot more penetration to get to the deeper vitals. Basically, I don't see much difference between the two rounds but whatever let's you sleep at night! Cheers, jc
@johnlacasse8893 Жыл бұрын
@@jmichaelcarbonniere9549 as pointed out in the video, the initial damage created causes a rifle like permanent wound channel, followed by deeper penetration by the base of the round... 2 other considerations. First, frangibles also penetrate body armor up to and including level IIIA. SECOND, I also follow up with a mix of HP, ball and more frangibles... So in 15- 19 rounds, the resulting damage would be catastrophic, IF I ever had to do it.
@tommylitchfield3450 Жыл бұрын
Liberty also has their ammo in "Ultra-Light", at least in 9mm +P. The bullet is the same, but it has an odd 2-piece case, with an aluminum case head and a steel section that holds the projectile and powder. The box claims a 50 gr. bullet listed at 2040 fps. I keep a mag loaded with these rounds for when I want an extra mag but weight is a priority. I just did a test on my food scale in my kitchen, and with my 365 12 round mag filled with these Liberty Ultra Lights, the scale showed 5 ounces even. With another 12 round mag full of 115 V Crowns, the weight is 7.5 ounces. That's a 50% increase in weight over the Liberty Ultra Light. 124's or 149's would be an even bigger weight increase, naturally. So when I'm pocket carrying in some shorts and don't want my clothes to get tangled around my knees, I can carry a full 12 extra rounds with a (slightly) lighter weight than a 365 10 round flush mag with only 7 rounds in it, if my little scale is to be believed! I'm like you, and don't 100% trust the Liberty for primary EDC, but I like it enough to have a mag loaded with it as a super lightweight backup. If I ever NEED that extra 12, then that means that there have already been 11 rounds of better-in-my -opinion rounds that were already used, so to me, that weight savings is a true benefit for a backup mag, and if I ever need to cap a 4 legged critter, I would actually prefer the Liberty because those things do some MAJOR shallow damage!
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
Makes sense.😎👊
@donjohnson8 Жыл бұрын
As far as the concerns on what this stuff will do when encountering bones I shot a pork shoulder with the .45 ACP version of this. There was a fist size hole on the backside and the large shoulder bone was pulverized. I don't think that any human torso would defeat it. They also zip right though most body armor. Thanks for testing this.
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
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@skipmars79797 ай бұрын
.40 come back? That's my favorite. Thank you very much for the videos!
@ToolsandTargets7 ай бұрын
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@kgoldric Жыл бұрын
I wonder if hitting bone would be more likely to stop it cause its so light weight or shatter causing more damage due to the velocity. 🤔
@williambarnes4612 Жыл бұрын
This would be a great warm weather load for edc
@jasonkeating9958 Жыл бұрын
I said it a few times that they could thicken the walls and slightly lengthen the bullet to get it to about 120gr but still have a fragmenting round, If the round was double the weight and had a few weak points and the charge was maxed out the depth of the fragments would be a lot deeper and the round would be seen as a serious option rather than the gimmick reputation that it currently has
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
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@jeffreybean5363 Жыл бұрын
Great Ammo test Tools 👍🇺🇸
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
Thank you sir.😎👊
@2001maximo Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video. The caliber . 40 is powerfull.
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
Yessir.😎👍
@Mbartel500 Жыл бұрын
Check out the Civil Defense. The energy dump is immense. It's fast as hell. And light as well. But frankly, I'm still on the fence.
@TheRealSwampOperator Жыл бұрын
Im like you, I mean we looking at the performance, but it's hard to buck that instinct that we've had pounded in our head for years about weight retention
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
That little light disc kills it for me.
@randlerichardson5826 Жыл бұрын
I took a deer one evening with my 25-06 with a 100gr Nosler ballistic tip and I seen the shock wave started in it’s left shoulder and went back it’s whole body like a tidal wave I seen it through the scope
@jmichaelcarbonniere9549 Жыл бұрын
Good vid, Brian! Like you, I wonder if the base alone carries enough punch to get deep into vitals and from what I've seen, it does not! If all your shots were straight on chest shots, it would probably do a good job, if nothing else just by the sudden energy dump. Still, if anything were to get in the way of the shot, such as an arm, hand or a bit of a car door, I suspect you would end up with a massive flesh wound and a small puncture wound. I suppose if you had to make all head shots in the zombie apocalypse, these would definitely do the job, but since that's not something I plan for, I think I'll stick with my Lehigh Xtreme Defender bullets! Cheers, jc
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
These would pop a zombie head like a rotten melon! 💥🧟♂️💥
@YellowHammer26 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Tools, definitely nasty. I wonder about the core being so light if it would do enough damage if it hit bone. I’m not saying it wouldn’t, just wondering. Appreciate the test 👍👍
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
I'm not willing to chance it myself.😎👍
@YellowHammer26 Жыл бұрын
@@ToolsandTargets me either
@FL-Kaiman Жыл бұрын
I carry them in .380 i train with range ammo and the civil defense great ammo!
@kennethferguson4283 Жыл бұрын
The Underwood 357 Sig 68gr XD round smokes this Liberty ammo. The UA 357 XD round is even faster and gets deeper more effective barrier blind penetration. But if you like this fast Liberty ammo you can get it in 357 Sig where it gets a velocity of 2300+ fps out of a 4.5 inch barrel.
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
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@Kaelland Жыл бұрын
If you happen to come across the Liberty Civil Defense in .38 Special, I'd love to see a test of it. They claim that it's standard pressure and that it still performs well. I'd like to know if that's true.
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
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@SmokesKwazukii8 ай бұрын
these would make some nasty wounds for sure. idk how effective they would be at putting someone down quickly, as they dont seem super dependable at punching deep and carrying the energy through the target. getting those critical hits on vital organs would be inconsistent maybe, the disc that carries on appears to be a somewhat insignificant part of the damage delivered. They dump a bunch of energy, surely very nasty, and undoubtedly capable of creating lethal damage. I’m just not convinced that the penetrating disc is carrying enough energy to dependably cause the fight stopping damage to vital components. Interestingly I believe these would inflict very devastating wounds in places where other handgun bullets don’t do as much, such as in the legs, arms and especially in the stomach or groin area. Hits outside of the center mass, where you ideally target, and where armor is worn. Interesting potential there perhaps. Very cool ammo regardless.
@americanpatriot477 Жыл бұрын
Man those are bad ass! I would love to see them in a 10mm. It would really be moving close to 3000fps and the energy dump !!!!!
@mikebott6940 Жыл бұрын
2400 fps out of 4 inch barrels. Loudest report I've heard from a handgun.
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
Tested the 10mm in bare gel a while back. 2400 from the G20. Crazy stuff.
@americanpatriot477 Жыл бұрын
@@ToolsandTargets I just watched that video. Man those are some serious rounds.
@g54b95 Жыл бұрын
The penetration of the disc isn't as good as a lot of defense ammo, but don't forget you have to factor in the damage of each of the other pieces, too, to get the total picture. If you're the doc trying to deal with all that mess, this stuff might be more potent than it would appear. Correct shot placement would be messing up several different vital organs. Plus, the blast alone is pretty demoralizing.
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
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@timrobinson6573 Жыл бұрын
If the person being shot survives long enough to make it to a doctor then the round failed in it's job. A quality JHP will penetrate deeply enough to hit vital organs, arteries, blood vessels and cause immediate bleed out.
@valeriyGennadyevich Жыл бұрын
@Tim Robinson laser is not better than grenade. If you shoot vital organs of elephant than yeah, you need tonns if penetration
@MichaelMiller-op5sx Жыл бұрын
Especially in the stomach area each pedal hits liver,lung,intestines, kidney then the disc travels to the spine. Most veterans that talk to me experienced more body damage from shrapnel than a bullet wound
@bradhertzler4451 Жыл бұрын
@timrobinson6573 why are rifles so effective in taking down bad guys? Police are shooting 55grain .223 and usually stop bad guys in 1-2 shots. Velocity/energy transfer is more important than penetration. And as stated in the video, these rounds are close to rifle speed. The heart is only about 2" deep. These rounds would literally shred the heart with where the petals come off. 12" of penetration puts the round near the spine of most people. How is that inadequate penetration??
@Rampant_Colt Жыл бұрын
They're available for .357 Sig too. I would like to purchase these for carry because they're so lightweight. 2000 fps is the magic velocity threshold for temporary stretch cavity organ disruption. Nasty stuff
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
They are very light in a mag.
@grb876 Жыл бұрын
Good test. Crazy speeds with an explosion. 👍🏻
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
thank you sir. 😎👊
@googleeyeseyes4033 Жыл бұрын
If you run into any 357, give it a try, bought a box and it’s a screamer, even out of a ported 3” SP 101, haven’t ever used jelly, your my go too for all this, thanks again. PS, there was zero recoil out of the Ruger, obviously ported, but I tried in my Colt single six with six inch and it was virtually recoilless, I was really interested in the short carry though, for obvious reasons.
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
Appreciate ya. I'll definitely grab some if they show up around here.😎👍
@Dwayne7834 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the gel test. Good ammo and bullet. I find it hard changing too the lighter bullets. Like you said guess I just old school.
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
Appreciate ya, my friend.😎👊
@Hammerback0 Жыл бұрын
They perform the same through a car door. Through the door and the fragmentation and base penetration in 10% gel is exactly the same as with no door. I dont really understand how, but, somehow it does so, consistently. Personally, I like it. But u know that since i tell u everytime u mention it 😂
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
I might have something workin to test some vehicle barriers.😎👊
@vanessajazp63419 ай бұрын
I'm with you on the light weight. I'd like it if that were just a dozen grains or so heavier. I know it needs to be light weight to get that speed and then fragment that way, but I feel like a slightly heavier round would do a little more convincing damage.
@roosterboy7357 Жыл бұрын
That’s some interesting holster wear on that 27 I feel the same way you do about this particular round and also the Underwood extreme defenders even though they work in ballistic gelatin, I’m not completely sold. A lot of the time ballistic gelatin will deceive you if the ammo has sharp edges that creates a rip/tear action during the temporary wound stretch
@randyhavard6084 Жыл бұрын
I sometimes get a hang up on the recoil of the ammunition. For some reason if I have two or three good hollow points that I pretty much know will perform I will tend to load up and carry the one that has the most kick for whatever reason.
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
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@SaltyMaverick Жыл бұрын
I'm impressed. The base actually penetrates deep enough to be lethal. I bought some of the 10mm out of curiosity, but I'm thinking I might actually carry that.
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
The only thing I wonder about is the light weight of that center piece.
@SaltyMaverick Жыл бұрын
@@ToolsandTargets I mean, if it penetrates far enough and makes a hole, I don't think that should matter too much.
@jeffreyrobertson7652 Жыл бұрын
Good jelly test Tools Stay Safe Stay 2A Strong 🇺🇸
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
Thank you sir.😎👊
@geraldblackburn4883 Жыл бұрын
Not a .40 fan, but like to see this ammo.
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
Interesting stuff.
@someolddude7076 Жыл бұрын
You need to see the super slow mo gel tests. Gel tests, and permanent wound cavity do not tell the whole story The Temporary cavity is cavernous, and only visible with high speed cameras, and the hydrostatic shock will Stop a target even if fragments don’t hit any vitals
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
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@libra7624 Жыл бұрын
Good for close quarters like dense crowded environments, no worries about defense with over penetration, My Ruger LCP 380 and crowded socially non permissive areas where I want deep cover if needed, everyone at some point depending on environment will need a small gun, anyone new to guns should have like a micro, and compact and a duty size gun
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
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@Adam-nv9zo Жыл бұрын
I'd like to see that out of a carbine. Great video, as always, brother. 👏 👏 👏
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
Thank you sir.
@MrSumGuns Жыл бұрын
I carry these when I'm packing my G27 tool but I don't train with them and I really should. Great video as always.
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
Thank you sir.
@TheOutside84 Жыл бұрын
I just started carrying these in 9mm and .40. The .40 put huge holes in a pumkin last sunday
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
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@travislupum2 ай бұрын
Please test 65gr .357sig from a 6" barrel its the extreme defender round i believe it should be around the 2400fps mark which is pretty decent rifle velocities from a handgun
@prepperoverwatch7965 Жыл бұрын
I was going to say it's a trauma surgeon nightmare, but it would most likely be an autopsy at a morgue. 😮
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
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@rangetime6779 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the 40 S&W test, it's very under rated and falling out of fashion which is sad. These Civil Defense rounds are amazing.... for varmints. Because they're so light (lack of momentum) I don't think they'll penetrate deep enough with bones in the bullet path creating a nasty flesh wound. Your caution to the wind is valid.
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
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@johnlicitra2706 Жыл бұрын
I dunno. These rounds can penetrate soft armor, so I'm not sure if hitting a bone would present any sort of penetration problem.
@jardinero9112 Жыл бұрын
Thanks alot for that one big hoss. I remember the first time I seen these. Around 2015 give or take. I never liked them. I know they are fast as all get out. But I see a lawyer behind that round. Making me look like the son of Sam. I also question how they would do against a barrier. Sheet rock, windshield, glass, car door. Yadda yadda.
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
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@trustnot9 Жыл бұрын
Great video, i can't wait to get some of that ammo for my g27. Thanks my friend for a great test.
Just purchased a 40 for EDC. I'm thinking that this is going to be my EDC ammo. Still have to check out the combination on the range first.
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
I've never tested any of it for point of impact.
@JohnDoe-ud2cc Жыл бұрын
I like how you do a long and short barrel
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
Appreciate that. Try to cover as many bases as I can. 😎👍
@sea-2366 Жыл бұрын
This 40 s&w are nasty awesome! I like this ammo!
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
Mhmm
@MichaelMiller-op5sx3 ай бұрын
I honestly wonder why they are so loud for?? Even the 9mm in this round is extremely loud maybe the powder. To get tge velocity??
@RichardCranium321 Жыл бұрын
need to try these in a longer barrel like Sub2000 or HiPoint carbine. that would be a nasty nasty combo if you could suppress it.
@guardianminifarm8005 Жыл бұрын
Great test! Good results. Interesting round for sure. I tend to agree with you. You can't argue with consistent, reliable performance as designed. But I just don't think I would choose to use them. I wouldn't criticize anyone who does. Thank you again for excellent content.
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
Thank you sir. No doubt they would make a mess.😎👍
@rangetime6779 Жыл бұрын
As a follow up could you test Lehigh Defense controlled fracturing bullets? They break into bigger pieces and may penetrate better?
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
Haven't seen those. I'll check em out.😎👍
@jmurphy68463 Жыл бұрын
I'd like to see what those rounds do through a carbine rifle, if you could.
@ToolsandTargets Жыл бұрын
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@stevemellas30879 ай бұрын
i don't normally pay attention to any s&w short and weak content but i like this ammo i wouldn't want to get hit by or be the doctor's trying to work on someone hit by it.
@FDRGREG11 ай бұрын
Good - great performance but … expensive. The box I have is $40 for 20. I have a bunch of Speer GD 40s 180s that I got on sale about a year ago at FMJ price. I got a 50 round box then for about $23 a box. I bought many boxes. I wish I had bought all of it but my point is I want to have bulk many many self defense rounds in same exact spec. If SD can get the price more in line then maybe it’s something to go to. This gift box if ammo might be higher than normal though. I have not checked pricing just wanted to see the reality of performance. You did just that like always… thanks so much!
@briansullivan1927 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting brother, i like this stuff in 9 mm and 45 acp but i will stick to my Hornady critical duty 135 gr. +p in my edc firearm. Great shooting and stay armed.