Fantastic Four Casting News: Chaos Continues

[@crablord7934]

Sue being the main character is a really cool opportunity, gives the movie a real chance to actually feel like a family. She's the one who holds them together, kinda like somewhat their leader.

[@DannyLee-zv9gl]

Seems like them forcing another female lead again

[@johnwerner69]

I love that idea plus it’s gonna make all the incels mad because a female lead is apparently “wOkE”

[@Swenglish]

She's the glue, for sure. Certainly the link between Reed and Johnny. It makes sense to make her the center of the film.

[@lforc25]

​@@johnwerner69That was my first thought as well, along with how bad I'd feel for Patel if he gets the role bc of the "fans" that are gonna bitch about the race change

[@Jamangel]

​@@johnwerner69lmao fr

[@chibuezedike900]

I honestly think Matt smith is a good casting, he has the chops to adapt reeds subtle but crazy side and he’s obsessive nature, especially after doctor who , he knows how to give that vibe , give him a beard and it’s fine

[@kadegetslaid634]

Agreed

[@sathrielsatanson666]

I am not a fan of this casting but then again I wasn't happy with Chris Evans so it might still end up good in the end. Better than Adam Driver anyway.

[@kaponosucks]

Also idk if it’s just me but he has stretchy looking face idk i love it

[@PedroMiguel-zv3fj]

The Reed we get is probably going to be chosen based off of chemistry with vanessa I'm guessing, especially if they are so set on Vanessa being Sue and Sue being the main character

[@navonmyhand7999]

That's a great point. I would imagine the same goes for the Johnny too since they're related.

[@hibird7304]

I actually like having Sue as our main lead. I think Matt Shackman had a great balance with big casts as we saw in “It’s Always Sunny In Philadelphia” and “Wanda Vision.” I think if it’s handled in the same vein as Michelle Yeoh in “Everything Everywhere All At Once” it will be beautiful. It is also helpful to have Oscar nominee Vanessa Kirby as Sue!

[@matt15]

The fact that we have more of the Terrifics casted than the Fantastic Four is bonkers

[@ChaosX2Limited]

I think it's funny that most of the criticisms you had against Matt Smith also apply to Dev Patel (British, doesn't look like Reed, hasn't done a Reedescque character in recent years) yet he's still your pick of the 3 lol. Honestly, I respect that, you're like "fuck my own logic, I want Dev"

[@emoshrek8902]

I mean, even though i don't even get Reed vibes from Dev i'd honestly be glad to have him as anything

[@ChaosX2Limited]

@emoshrek8902 tbh, I get the most Reed vibes from Adam of these 3, I certainly don't get them from Dev, but he's a fantastic actor, and I'm sure he'd crush it if he was motivated. Matt, I certainly think he could do it, but Matt Smith, I feel, is more of a character actor, and while I think he'd be a real good, Mr. Fantastic, Reed Richards might be a bit milktoast and not play to Smiths Strengths (personally, I think he'd be a great Mr. Sinister), but as a big Doctor Who fan I'd love to see him get a major role like this

[@JBDNFT]

Look up all 3 of them back to back, I did again before I heard his opinion. He's not too wrong, Dev looks like a young Reed when he has his hair cut in the Reed look. I see what you're saying though

[@AS-ri1mb]

@@JBDNFT I never realised that Reed Richards looked like an Indian man. Huh.

[@ChaosX2Limited]

@jonasdixon7207 I don't think any of the 3 look like Reed, honestly Matt Smith looks probably the most like Reed with his square jaw and body frame. But we're probably not gonna get any casting confirmation until at least the winter

[@rodanandme]

While Matt Smith is probably only like my third favorite choice, I do think he has like Jack Kirby Reed face. He doesn't necessarily look like most Reeds, but he looks like a Jack Kirby character.

[@EmperorDxD]

I actually think he has the reed dark side I also like

[@Nurolight]

Honestly I think for Ben, he’s gonna be Rock-form 90% of the time so all that really matters is the voice. They need to nail the voice.

[@web_sorcery]

this is why i think Seth Rogen works

[@legendswarble2845]

​@ccocking789 My main issue with Seth Rogan is the voice. He can't do a character voice. He's just always Seth Rogan. I can't watch a character voiced by him without going, "It's Sue, Reed, Johnny, and Seth Rogan but made of rocks." You know what I mean?

[@ThaD0n]

@@web_sorceryprobably the exact opposite for him

[@Nazoto]

​@@web_sorceryjack black... Probably the best celebrity in voice acting but I think a legit voice actor may be better.

[@tcroosevelt]

​@@legendswarble2845I don't want this but "Seth Rogen but made of rocks" kinda makes me wanna see it. Conflicted over here

[@arianagrandefromfortnite]

tbf David Tennant is also more popular for Doctor Who and has since been typecast into villain roles due to all the dramas he does and Jessica Jones but he's slipping right back into the nerdy doctor who role like he never left, Matt Smith would definitely be an incredible Reed

[@michaelmartinez3893]

My guess is it will be Matt Smith and Vanessa Kirby, as Reed and Sue. Cool to have a Kirby in an F4 movie. You didn't touch on it, but there's also rumors this movie will be set in the 60s.

[@Slasher120]

They should definitely save characters like Dr. Doom and Galactus for the post Multiverse-saga movies (if Marvel gets that far), I had a feeling the Egyptian Kang Variant (Rama Tut) was going to be the main villain but I'm pretty sure Jonathan Major's isn't going to be in that movie. They could probably dig around for some obscure Fantastic 4 villain. Dr. Doom is also a pretty big villain, so to have him appear right before two already crowded multiverse event movies (Kang Dynasty, Secret wars) would be a bit too much.

[@andrewryan2400-z3d]

annihilus should be the villain for the first fantastic 4 movie

[@bennett4789]

the villain should obviously be molecule man since he is one of the most iconic ff villains, hes never appeared in live action, he has a really cool powerset, and he directly links to secret wars

[@zmani4379]

Interesting point - if they want to start working w Doom, they could instead make some unrelated standalone films charting his origins, waiting before introducing him into the larger MCU melee - taken on its own terms, his epic story could easily support a trilogy - one for his childhood defending his persecuted Romani tribe, another for his travels in this world and the next as he becomes Dr Doom, and the third for his triumphant return and conquest of Latveria

[@Slasher120]

@@zmani4379 Yeah, that'd actually be epic. I kinda envisaged him as being the next Thanos-level villain. The MCU also desperately needs more reoccuring villains to give us rivalries between characters. The only characters they really did this with was with Loki and Bucky, and to an extent Kang. In Quantumania they turned MODOK into a joke and almost immediately killed him off (AND IM A MASSIVE MODOK FAN). Same thing goes for characters like Red-skull (he technically doesn't die, but you get what I mean). It would also be cool if this Dr. Doom had really strong reasons for why he was fighting. I'm not that familiar with his comic depiction, but from what I've seen in the movies he's just an evil scientist turned comic-book villain. I know vaguely that he's supposed to be the protector of some country (which you mentioned). The only problem I see with your proposal is that MCU movies aren't exactly doing well recently, and getting audience's in the seat's for three movies for an in-depth character analysis of Dr. Doom would be quite hard, as I'm guessing there won't exactly be the same level of action. Still really cool idea.

[@jasonmarbach]

Whichever version of secret wars they adapt (the 80s one or the more recent one) you can’t really do it without Doom, especially if he’s available. He needs to get introduced sooner rather than later simply so they can set him up to play the requisite pivotal role in secret wars

[@TalysAlankil]

"you need a romani actor" for doom, i mean, ideally, sure, but given what happened with wanda and pietro

[@thomasezzy]

Out of the Johnny's, Rudy is the only one I want. He's so perfect it's insane, and he actually looks close to Tom Holland's age WHICH IS WHAT JOHNNY IS SUPPOSED TO BE.

[@StickGeezer]

100% agree. No other casting could top Rudy

[@nairrdlairrd]

Literally, I want that friendship so bad, and Rudy is pretty much the only decent actor on OBX😅

[@EdK-Music]

"Our Doom needs to have an oscar nomination..." bud, do I have some news for you.

[@EmperorDxD]

I actually think John watts approach to the casting was smarter he was gonna tom Holland this and pick unknown

[@danschriver75]

Tom holland wasnt unknown.

[@davidthirugnanakumar7888]

Also it's not Jon Watts but the Russo brothers 😂and Kevin Feige

[@finnleyhart4405]

john watts neither casted tom holland nor will cast or direct fantastic four

[@EmperorDxD]

@@danschriver75 yes he was

[@EmperorDxD]

@@davidthirugnanakumar7888and my guy he an unknown I didn't say Jon watts chose him

[@samuelmackenzie5267]

I miss Ioan grauffaud as reed. I thought that was perfect casting and that he did a good job in those earlier movies. He really exudes that dorky persona reed is known for. But I will admit that he probably couldn’t personify reeds darker characteristics, he seems to oblivious and nerdy all the time. Hope he shows up in deadpool 3.

[@walnuthead]

the actor very publicly cheated on his wife lol

[@kiaadams104]

​@walnuthead what does that have to do with anything?? That Doesn't mean the actor can properly portray dark elements of a character. Yesterday I amlost shit my pants watching a horror movie, that doesn't mean I know how to properly portray a character going through fear or all of a sudden know how to act fear because ive felt it before...Smh. Your comment is dumb.

[@StickGeezer]

Absolutely

[@StickGeezer]

@@walnutheaddidn’t ask lol

[@bennett4789]

@@walnutheaddoes that seriously mean anything to you? separate the art from the artist, at least until a crime is committed lmao. most celebrities are scumbags.

[@StickGeezer]

The thing is not hard to cast: •New Yorker •Jewish heritage •Grizzled tough-guy persona •History with CGI/creature-characters RON PERLMAN!!!

[@djaaronix]

mf like 60

[@StickGeezer]

@@djaaronix which wouldn’t matter if he’s playing a CGI character

[@lforc25]

Never have I ever been more disappointed than when you said it was actually Joseph Quinn and not Jack Quaid 😅 Also, Jack has played the confident arrogant type before (although it's quite minor), he was Marvel (how appropriate) in The Hunger Games

[@zmani4379]

Nice video - I agree Dr Doom should be an Oscar buzz type character - the MCU can't disregard his Romani heritage - it's too central to this character - he's driven by the racial discrimination he and his family experienced in his childhood, and the MCU is especially sensitive to such diversity aspects - Doom could be played, say, by an Indian actor, since the Romanis are part of the South Asian diaspora - IMO get a smoldering Shakespearean actor, w a well-trained voice, for Doom's famously operatic ranting - a charismatic actor whose presence alone can fill a room - Doom has the potential to be used as a key geopolitical figure, like the MCU Namor, or T'Challa - with his South Asian heritage, and Latveria's strategic position, Dr Doom can become a very topical icon of Eurasian integration, in the same way that Namor stood for Indigenous peoples (they could update Latveria's traditional Cold War role by moving it into Central Asia as a former Soviet republic - "Latveristan" - and maybe Dr Doom discovered vibranium there, and used it to bring that feudal republic into the space age?) - Doom has one of the most epic origin stories, that deserves standalone treatment like Venom In any case, I'm glad they're not using Doom in this first F4 outing (this news of Terrax is exciting) - it's good how they're taking their time to get all this right, considering how many times it's been botched - Dr Doom's South Asian heritage is crucial - both for the character's sense of identity, and for the MCU's larger ambitions in dealing w ethnic diversity and tapping into today's geopolitics - if they want to broaden the casting pool, then an Indian actor would at least be ethnically accurate (and that region alone has the world's largest film and theatre industries, let alone the enormous Desi diaspora), and the MCU would avoid charges of white-washing and ignoring this character's richly fascinating roots yet again

[@cornonjacob]

Nice idea, tho I don't like the whole "oh, found more vibranium here too". If they had to, I'd want it to be a super small amount, like roughly a bowling ball. That way it's not enough to make a whole op society like Wakanda, but enough for Doom personally to do some stuff that's super impressive with the amount he has.

[@zmani4379]

@@cornonjacob I see what you mean - I was thinking of the geopolitics in Wakanda Forever - how Namor and Shuri were both reflecting larger global concerns - and Doom can bring Eurasian dynamics into the mix - he did work a kind of miracle in rapidly developing Latveria, so I thought that could play into intrigue over rare resources, but you're right that too much vibranium could dilute its role - maybe Doom's Latveria approaches Wakanda to seek partnership sharing tech and resources - tho I can still envision Latveria and Wakanda as 2 contrasting vibranium nations

[@kingofhearts3185]

Doom also knows a lot of magic, so maybe Latveria's unique thing could be merging advanced tech, maybe copy Tony's nanotech, with magic.

[@rafaelmarkos4489]

If we take Indian actors, normally I'd suggest Big B for Dr. Doom, but he is getting _very_ old. Nawazuddin Siddiqui could work too, I think.

[@JBurnz001]

Have you watched the MCU lately? His heritage doesn’t matter bruh and he’ll most likely be race swapped as if us black people care for shit like that smh.

[@TekharthaMondatta]

I still say Mads Mikkelsen should just play Doom. You don't have to show his face and make people question the whole Kaecilius thing... or show his face anyway since I doubt a lot of people remember that character anyway. Also I wouldn't be shocked in the slightest is Kirby pulls out before the end of the year because of how slow to start these productions are getting

[@EmperorDxD]

My guy there a strike

[@AlessioAlessi]

Nah, too old! Dr Doom has to be the same age as Reed Richards (more or less as Magneto and Prof X have a similar age)

[@andrewryan2400-z3d]

I think cillian murphy would be a good choice to play Dr Doom

[@jadasc]

Galactus's arrival makes sense to me in light of Eternals - this planet was supposed to have hatched a Celestial, which would have set off his hunger, so he travels here to eat the tasty planet only to find a stillborn statue and 7 billion living souls.

[@ItsGamingFancy]

How would the celestial emerging set off his hunger? And what would there have been left to eat after the celestial hatched? The celestial feeds off the life energy which is what galactus feeds off of. The animations show the earth blowing apart after hatching. Feels like he wouldn't have a reason to come if he knew it was supposed to hatch a celestial

[@jadasc]

@@ItsGamingFancy So, if I were going to develop it more closely, I'd say this: Galactus's heralds find him planets to eat. A planet that's good to eat is one that's ready to hatch, full of Celestial baby goodness. Terrax or Norrin or whoever sends the word to Galactus that, hey, here's a good one. Galactus moves across the cosmos to get here, but he's slow - that's why he needs heralds to do the hunting. When he gets here, he finds a planet stuck in mid-hatch. What happens then? That's the movie.

[@ItsGamingFancy]

@@jadasc So what, he knows that the celestial didn't hatch and that's why he's coming? Cus again it wouldn't make sense if he thought it was supposed to hatch. He would have been years too late for that

[@AS-ri1mb]

@@ItsGamingFancy You woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

[@ItsGamingFancy]

@@AS-ri1mb why do you say that?

[@certainstrength]

“It’s because today specifically, which today being yesterday…” This is the most Nando thing ever.

[@ramihajyounesmontoya5194]

Vanessa Kirby, i think, might be a good choice. I was just hoping Penn Badgley would be our Reed Richards.

[@tylerquebedeaux3492]

For years I’ve said Nicholaj Coster-Waldau is the perfect casting for doom.

[@AS-ri1mb]

Yes!!

[@effayeyeayzed]

Undoubtedly. Not even him, give Doom the eastern european backround.

[@andothersuchnonsense2685]

You might want to check out The Hot Mic, the Podcast that's been breaking a lot of the casting stories over the last few months. Jeff Sneider, the guy who broke the Joseph Quinn (though he messed up his JQ names at first) casting, has been saying for about two months that Marvel is planning on Sue being the focus of the film, that wasn't new to this Thursdays info dump at all. Deadline or Variety usually confirm his announcements within an hour of the pod being up, but there's small stuff like "the film centers on Sue as the primary" that trades won't, or can't, confirm.

[@defendathadon7148]

Lets be honest if The Thing isn't Ebon I think that would be a huge missed opportunity. His performance in The Bear tells you all you need to know.

[@aidanboyle7374]

Galactus is a totally fine pick for a first movie. Galactus doesn't scheme, he's not a phase-wide villain like Thanos, he just shows up one day and the sky catches fire and nobody knows what's going on

[@SeritaTheresa]

The funny thing about Matt Smith is that he’s perfect for Reed Richards. We didn’t think he could play Daemon Targaryen.

[@anubusx]

Morbius is his best role.

[@The26Captain]

Casting doom is going to be an absolute nightmare, the perfect actor doesn’t exist. A big portion of the fandom is going to be pissed regardless.

[@mikelyons6570]

Weird opinion to believe Smith and Driver don't look enough like Reed as a reason to not cast them but that not being an issue when it comes to Patel

[@max1999_]

Yeh I thought that was odd too lol. Considering smith and driver actually DO look like some iterations of reed

[@marshallh7785]

Excited about whatever cast they end up with to be honest. My only fear is that they will fail to adapt fantastic four well from the comic story. I don't remember where I read it, but there was an interview where Kevin Fiege said that this movie was going to take place while the fantastic four were active, after they had gotten their powers. It just annoys me because it's the same argument they made for Spider-Man, that everyone knows his origin already and we don't need to see it. Most people may know that they went to space and there was an accident, but this is your chance to actually introduce the characters well and they already seem averse to that

[@flower4000]

I have always figured Doom was the secret role Keanu was offered.

[@colealbinder2025]

Certainly not against Vanessa Kirby as Sue, but I agree with @thenandocut’s original casting for her as Emma Frost. After seeing her on The White Lotus, I would love to see what Meghann Fahy could do as Sue Storm. She’s not a huge name but she’s rightfully gotten a lot of attention from that series and I feel like she has the range to do Sue justice. Out of those 3 Reeds mentioned, I would be up for Dev Patel but he may not be up for doing it. One other option I thought of recently is Alfred Enoch from Harry Potter and How to Get Away With Murder, he could make for an interesting Reed, I think.

[@robertrostad3930]

Paul Mescal looks like a young Richard Kind.

[@damonhawk6543]

It was reported that Adam Driver couldn’t connect to the character through the script, which may or may not be related to the hiring of the new screenwriter.

[@ghostly310]

I think Sue being the main character is smart. She’s the soul of the team but hopefully everyone gets their time to shine I like the castings too

[@Tuaron]

I like the idea of Sue being more of the focal character, could be interesting, especially as she is the more grounded character who keeps the group together. Vanessa Kirby's still not an actress that I would've put in my top 3 (she just feels a bit off, more of an Emma Frost) based on what I've seen, but I also think she'll do a solid job (it's not the MCU casting that's concerned me the most). For the Reeds, I think Adam Driver would be pretty solid, I think Matt Smith could do a great job based on his Doctor Who (which had an interesting range) and it'd be nice to see him actually do well with a post-Doctor role (especially a larger franchise, since he seems to have been burned by all of them), though Dev Patel is also my favourite of the three. Still agree with Nando's fancasting of William Jackson Harper but John Cho remains my favourite choice for the moment. Jack Quaid's been the best Johnny casting I've heard given any credence, though I'd accept Joseph Quinn (but if we're going for Stranger Things actors, why isn't it Joe Keery? He's full of Johnny Storm energy). The Ben Grimm situation seems to be the weirdest. Definitely agree Ebon Moss-Bachrach seemed to be headed for that role, though there is a part of me that wondered if he was going to be a very different Reed. Don't see him as Silver Surfer or Terrax, really, though they might make it work. Is it wrong that I kinda want Harvey Guillen from What We Do In The Shadows? I think he'd bring an interesting energy, but I could see it working, and I think he's got the range. There is a part of me that does not want Doom in this film. Let him rest for a single Fantastic Four film. It's like Magneto or Joker - yes, he's an important presence, but let's see what they're like without him, at least "Batman Begins" the situation. I love Antonio Banderas and really want a great role for him, but I think Galactus requires someone who can sound imposing while speaking slowly and methodically, giving that "Voice of God" vibe. I think Tony Jay (obviously not an option) or Clancy Brown maybe, Keith David perhaps? Antonio's more of a quiet but occasionally fast talker, with his voice merely underscoring the imposing presence, which is about 70-80% facial expression, 15-25% body.

[@JonathanVegaa]

Our Doom has to be Cillian Murphy would absolutely love that

[@tmarie69]

I can’t remember his name, but the bad guy in The Northman would make such a great Dr. Doom. He’s older, but he was giving Dr. Doom energy in that film. He was great. ETA: Claes Bang is the actors name.

[@thechurchofpigs]

I do think that matt smith would make a great reed personally, But i think undoubtedly he would be a fantastic maker, whether they do the same actor for both versions or not

[@AnonUnlimited]

"our doom needs to have an Oscar nomination or I'm not considering them" is the exact opposite of what I was thinking. My first thought was "that's so specific but time to start looking into lesser known theatre actors" bc when you think about it most of the best actors/actresses come from there and you're unlikely to find someone who fits such a specific description in mainstream/high profile actors.

[@Omegaman18]

If he wasn’t already Mysterio, Jake Gyllenhall is probably the ideal Reed

[@myster_g3226]

13:15 definitely heard Ebony Maw’s back crack.

[@NadeemShekh-uy9zn]

What are your thoughts on Ang Lee's Hulk

[@meyou8189]

So glad to hear your take on Ben Grimm, everyone keeps saying they want that guy from The Bear to play silver surfer and I don’t want that at all and I think he’s perfect for The Thing

[@bobby2bend]

THE HUGHIE TORCH

[@swifter1151]

Personally speaking Penn Badgley from the Netflix show You, is who I could see being a good Reed Richards/Mr Fantastic

[@unchartedchartz]

I'm glad that the Adam Driver rumors are sticking around, I really liked that casting.

[@jasonmarbach]

One guy who might fit the body type for Ben Grimm is Cameron Britton. I don’t know if his energy is perfect for Ben, but he does have some acting chops (played the serial killer Ed Kemper in Mindhunter) and a decent look.

[@lastken13]

I'm holding out hope that the Ebon Moss-Bachrach situation is a case of bad info being shared. He's too spot on for Ben for him to be wasted as one of the heralds

[@tcroosevelt]

I feel like "interesting face" is a prefect thing for Reed Richards. Makes it that much more fun to stretch

[@BobalooFishtank.]

Ben Grimm as maybe a drone pilot? Could be a bigger guy sitting at a computer, maybe controlling some kind of mech and then he learns to control his own super strength rock form like he did the mech? Just a thought

[@reubenm.d.5218]

I just want to say that while the strikes ending would bring forward some projects, we should absolutely be supporting the workers. The fact that even a studio like A24 can grant their demands but Disney, Warner Bros, Paramount CEOs on 20-30million a year can’t find the money? Outrageous. They are the reason production has not resumed

[@ericosagie3046]

The online bullying Joseph Quinn has been getting is awful. Absolutely no one should be saying that about anyone( unless they deserve it) which he doesn’t.

[@MsCamo2]

This gives me hope they will cast your best casting to date, in my humble opinion: Jesse Plemmons as Ben

[@DragonKeeper69]

Joseph Quinn is perfect for Johnny. I have to be able see this human torch getting along with Spider-Man and Joseph Quinn has that energy. Moss us still perfect for Ben and no one else can do it justice in my book now

[@sailordaigurren8225]

I loved Vanessa Kirby in Hobbs and Shaw and definitely wanted to see more of her, so I'm down with her being Sue Matt Smith would make an excellent Riddler, but we likely won't get that any time soon

[@liamthorpe4554]

Also a while ago they mentioned that the new movie would include Franklin Richards. Do you think it's too early for that?

[@Eprosis]

"...since all those people got casted, and then left." I take it they read the script.

[@EmperorDxD]

Also vennessa Kirby was matt shack men first choice and she was john watts original decision this is what i know

[@censheard7019]

Yay 🎉 this is the earliest I’ve ever been to Nando release, the notification bell is actually working again 😂

[@wafflesdaddy9323]

Dev Patel has been on the running for this role as long as its been casting. Google Dev Patel Fantastic Four and there are reports of him being the choice for the role from Februady 2023, November 2022 and further back.

[@wafflesdaddy9323]

Also, if you haven't already, I would recommend watching that Hulu show Pam and Tommy...I watched like 3 episodes of that show before I even realized that Seth Rogen was the person playing the main character

[@ynzmadeleine]

I don't think we are going to have a cast confirmation soon...

[@shinjiitsu6319]

I just hate the lack of cohesion. F4 is a PERFECT opportunity to have them go against Rama tut essentially showing the origin of how he became the Rama that we saw on the council. Ties in F4 with this new saga and continues to build the power of kang it doesn’t matter if he loses as long as he learns and returns stronger

[@DragonwaveOG]

This leave galactus and silver surfer for the second movie. I mean, if they use Rama Tut, Silver surfer, Skrull & Galactus as their villains for the first F4 Quatroligy (trilogy but 4 movies) than it would be good. Have the family aspect of the team make the stories over the 4 movies feel connected while still having a major influence in the marvel overall. F4 1 : F4 Stuck in the past crossing paths with Rama Tut and Quantum Realm and end credits Fury on S.A.B.E.R setting things up for Perhaps Brave New World and secret wars. Have the Silver Surfer special introduce us to the character with the origins leading to galactus on screen sending him to earth leading to F4 2 F4 2 : family finally gets back to 616 and they still have to get used to it as a family and the MCU in general, while Reed somehow makes contact with SS leading to basically F4 vs Silver Surfer with a small setup for F4 with a loose Skrull on the loose. F4 3 : Basically the skrulls are slowly taking over on a bigger scale and F4 and Fury (mainly reed and fury) get in on the hickup with Skrulls who decided to do their own thing, leading to another super Skrull (to a degree) try to continue graviks plan on a semi-bigger scale (cuz secret invasion should a whole saga with this kinda continuing the story) even cameos from giah and that funny old lady could be cool. Could also bring in Silver surfer as a partner. And then F4 is basically the introduction of Galactus with Whoever is on Saber (ms. Marvel, Photon, Captain marvel, F4, Silver Surfer, ) going cosmic and space and have a battle against galactus. Leading to obviously F5 but Galactus should be a villian for a whole saga so that story goes slowly

[@ph03n1x.l0v3r]

NANDO where did you get the cyclops/jean figure/s in the background????!!!!

[@therandomguyonyoutube6415]

Based on this criteria, I think Brendan Fraser could be a good Ben Grimm

[@awesometv1265]

Ideal casting for me. Sue Storm: Vanessa Kirby, Reed Richards: Jack Quaid, Johnny Storm: Dacre Montgomery, Ben Grim: Ebon Moss-Bachrach/David Diggs, Dr. Doom: Cillian Murphy and Galactus: Antonio Banderas (which when i first heard it immediately loved it).

[@lordofninjas1]

It is a bit strange that we don't have the Fantastic Four casting announced yet. I think Marvel already has most, if not all, of them cast and is just waiting for both the strike to end and for a big place to announce it (San Diego Comic Con or D23 most likely). If they do plan on the movie coming out in now May 2025 we will have to know the cast by the end of 2023 since it does take them about a year and a half or so to get pre and post done as well as filming, and with how CGI heavy this movie is likely to be they'd probably want even more time to work on it. I also agree, I don't want Galactus in this Fantastic Four movie. Not only is it too soon for him, but also the moment he physically shows up he'll overshadow Kang and would make him seem lesser than, and with the Multiverse Saga being Kang's time to shine, if you overshadow your main villain of the Saga before the end of the Saga, and like right before their main movies for the Saga, that isn't a good look. They need to save Galactus for a Secret Wars credits scene, playing into his comic origins of being the only survivor of a previous iteration of the Universe, and Secret Wars would be the perfect time to showcase that, or if Galactus is already around just some small teases from like alien races saying "the World Eater destroyed their planet" or whatever. I also agree that Doom should be in this movie, he doesn't have to have his armor and whatever right away, but not having Doom in a Fantastic Four project is like having Thor without Loki, it's like having Steve Rogers without Bucky, it's something that needs to happen. I know the issue is "if he's in the movie he has to be the main villain of the movie" but that isn't true, Fantastic Four has many villains that aren't Doom, you could easily use one of them, hell, that's one thing Fant4stic almost did do, have a main villain that wasn't Doom, Tim Blake Nelson's character in that movie was originally gonna be Mole Man. Mole Man would be perfect for a first Fantastic Four movie, or if not him Dragon Man, Red Ghost, Frightful Four, probably Molecule Man, they would also all be good for a first Fantastic Four movie. Anyways, as far as the castings, Vanessa Kirby is a good choice for Sue, and while I'd prefer Dacre Montgomery as Johnny, Joseph Quinn is also not a bad choice, I think Jack Quaid is a bit older than I'd want for Johnny, but I don't doubt he'd be good in the role as well. Reed could really be played by anyone, Dev Patel would be good in the role, though Adam Driver may end up getting it as well. As far as Ben Grimm, he's a character I've always had difficulty casting, there's just not someone that I've found where I look at them and say "oh, they could be a Ben Grimm in a Fantastic Four movie" Ebon Moss-Bacharach is a bit closer, but still not Ben Grimm. That said, whoever Marvel casts for the role is fine with me.

[@alimallett2140]

Love how you have terrifics in the background. Great run. I still have a feeling they'll all be cast before F4 😅😂

[@_Biscuit_Butter]

Now I want Ebon Moss-Bachrach as the “ever-lovin’ blue-eyed Thing”

[@theultimatenerd3767]

I think Matt Smith would be a great Reed. At the end of the day the Doctor is a fairly similar character to Reed anyway it's kinda a safe pick.

[@djrock93]

I know it was unintentional but the quote at 3:58 "If that's true, fantastic" made me laugh

[@nairrdlairrd]

I remember being skeptical but positive on the Matt Smith rumor when your first video brought it up, now that it’s still being talked about makes me think it could actually happen. My only question is how good he can get his American accent… Dev Patel would be really good too tho, I also like Adam Driver but I doubt he’ll do it at this point

[@EmperorDxD]

The script was being rewritten a year ago because tehy hired an unknown and when i mean unknown i mean someone who has never written anything ever that has almost zero credits I think You Should hire his agent

[@djaaronix]

I really really hope we get Dev Patel and Ebon, two fantastic actors

[@Petepeatpeet]

Bro I’ve been gunning for Dev Patel as Reed for AGES. He’d kill it

[@Sam_on_YouTube]

"Today being yesterday" he says... yesterday as this is posted.

[@thewayofthebeard3680]

My only exposure to F4 is the movies. Which is bad. However, I understand that they are important in Marvel so I really hope they nail this. To be fair, the MCU has really been on point with their castings so let's hope that continues. And while I'm a big fan of Margot Robbie I just can't see her as Sue. Vanessa Kirby is 💯!

[@Boundless-Boredom]

Honestly you’ve gotten the gist of it from the past movies. The only things that you’d need expounded on is Dooms actual history and reed and sues children if it ever gets that far

[@wolvewick4414]

the first 2 movies of F4 of FOX isnt that bad, and have a good comic book vibes, similar to the 2 first X-Men. way better than this recent trash mcu content they putting out.

[@davidthirugnanakumar7888]

​@@wolvewick4414😂nice troll

[@wolvewick4414]

@@davidthirugnanakumar7888 nah, bro. you just a delusional mcu fanboy, and am 100% sure you never pick up one comic book in your life.

[@XxXDestroyer]

Yeah Kirby is great casting, hope it gets confirmed.

[@sonofpears4691]

To be honest I hate Jack Quaid as Johnny but I think he would be a really good Mr Fantastic. I think the perfect Johnny is Glenn Powell and frankly I am shocked he has never come up in these casting rumours since after seeing him in maverick I think he would absolutely kill the role.

[@80lemon80]

I just have to repeat for the 1 millionth time since Benedict Cumberbatch was cast, any New Yorker superhero can be fully british. It’s not a problem whatsoever. As someone from NYC, we have a million people with a million accents who have lived here almost all their lives and a british accent is absolutely not uncommon at all. It would take one line “My parents moved us here when I was 10” and whatever accent the actor comes with is absolutely explained away in an entirely fair way

[@josereyes-ze7ll]

imma keep saying ive been saying its “type casty”, but Brendan Frazier for Ben Grimm. I can 100% percent picture him saying “Its Clobbering Time”. A new one could be the guy from I heart Abishola, he’s skinny know but i could see it. Brendan Isn’t fat but he fit’s the build id say.

[@adoniscreed4031]

Its crazy that Super-Man got cast a couple months after the movie was even announced and this goddamn FF4 movie hasn't been cast yet 😂

[@PirateJacques79]

That's the wrong Stranger Things kid!

[@aldrinsaclolo]

Big white guy for Ben Grimm? How about Brendan Fraser.

[@alexanderwinn9407]

NANDO! This is your regular reminder to make that “why I don’t do One Small Change videos anymore” video! I’m sure you’ve got a good reason, but man, I miss them. Replacing EDITH with the Iron Spider suit would have been so much cleaner, and made so much more sense!

[@MsDaydream3r]

I saw someone on Twitter say that Quinn would be better as Nightcrawler and I *totally* agree.

[@cynicalperson161]

Jack Quaid as Johnny is an... interesting choice. He's like everywhere now lol

[@IzzetTempo]

About Seth Rogain, I agree I think it would be jarring, but I also felt that way about Benedict Cumberpatch and that worked out ok. Maybe he could do it! I bet it’s taking awhile to cast because they need to all have chemistry with each other, and if Sue is the lead, they’ll probably all have to screen test with her

[@gri4108]

Determined to prevent this timeline from suffering the same fate as her own, Sue became the Ultimate version of Kang the Conqueror. As Kang, Sue possessed powers which the Sue Storm of the present day did not have, including shapeshifting, teleportation and molecular rearrangement.

[@austinfraley6350]

Ben being a bigger guy doesn’t eliminate the possibility of his army or pilot backstory, they could do something with ptsd or something that made him lose faith and gain weight

[@zerohcrows]

thought this exact same thing !!

[@Dr._Bacco]

This is most definitely out of the realm of possibility but I would genuinely love to see, if they were to do an eventual Doom casting, that they should Silver Surfer or Darth Vader it, with the body/mask being really anyone fit for the role with purposeful mannerisms and the true weight of the performance going to someone like *Christoph Waltz* . With all respect to those in the physical acting profession or any other actor in talks to do the role, I have to agree that Doom should be one of the characters given the most gravitas in the entirety of the MCU and by divvying up the role into one of a physical and one of a audible could lead to a better control of having a more critically renowned actor be the one in charge of ruling the script. I understand that Christoph Waltz may lean a bit older in what they are attempting with this Fantastic Four movie and that his casting would play a bit loose with the consideration of a broader, European actor but I still believe that this slight delineation of physical and audible portrayal is one of which Hollywood has seen before and one not inherently offending by any means not to mention just to see Dr. Doom brought to the screen with such an authoritarian and captivating performance whilst giving a monologue would be incredible.

[@teagankoelpin1494]

Ok hear me out Adam Driver and Mr. fantastic, Kirby and invisible woman, Joseph Quinn as Johnny and this is crazy but I think it could really work. Jack Black as the thing he’s big and he’s Jewish plus after bowser he can have a deeper voice.

[@chrisjohnson9300]

I agree with you about Seth Rogen not being the best choice for Ben Grimm/ Thing, with only really one (maybe two in a way) augment in his favour and that would be Bradley Cooper as Rocket.. did not think that would have worked but now I can’t imagine anyone else doing the roll/voice.. also in hindsight, Vin Diesel as Groot doesn’t seem like it should have worked but it definitely did, so for that I’m personally keeping an open mind.

[@zoe2732]

I'm not super worried that we don't have a cast yet. I remember a decade ago, everyone was doubting Fox's ability to get First Class out by its scheduled release date, and they began announcing the cast only a year before. It can be pulled together quickly, it just needs to be a priority...and it just isn't right now.

[@brewdaly1873]

I'd be really excited if Sue was actually the main character. She has some of the most badass moments of all of the F4 in the comics, like when she threatened to put in air bubble in Wizard's heart, or when she knocked a hole straight through the Baxter building during a fight with Reed, or one of the many times she punched out Namor.

[@BaithNa]

Sue being the lead makes sense because Ben was the lead of the first movie, Johnny was the lead of the second movie and Reed was the lead of the remake. I'd just like Johnny to be younger, around Peter Parker's age because they're supposed to be good friends.

[@kevandre]

I believe it was an autocorrect or just a mistake type of deal because Jack Quaid has zero Johnny energy. Like maybe Reed, for sure, though at the same time I'm not sure I'd be able to divorce him from Hughie. Like when I watch the Hunger Games and see him I'm like "oh Katniss just killed Hughie" Though at this point we're two for two on our Johnnies being in other superhero roles so who knows if we'll have that happen again. I don't generally prefer that, though there are times when it works out I guess

[@cyynical3299]

My only holdups with Matt Smith are: 1) he just looks incredibly british and I simply can’t imagine him as an american and 2) other candidates seem better

[@AS-ri1mb]

10:54 oh you havent heard the rumours...

[@raulespinosa4427]

YEESSSSS DEV PATEL AS REED RICHARDS WOULD BE AMAZING!!

[@Stealthabotte]

Aside from his age, the perfect casting for the Thing/Ben Grimm may be Jack Black. He fits the rumored casting description, he was born & raised Jewish, he absolutely can do the voice if Bowser is any indication, and he has expressed interest in the role in the past according to IGN. As if that wasn't enough, his mother is famous for being an aerospace engineer.