Farmers Fail to Justify Killing Animals (PART TWO)

[@CassandraEvergreen]

I think you got the first farmer thinking, he was honest and didn't show much cognitive dissonance really. He was clearly uncomfortable and maybe even a little sad, but he was listening and was following logic

[@devinlichte4868]

I agree, I just feel bad because he’s an old guy who’s probably farmed all his life and if he isn’t retired at this point I’m assuming he or people in his situation may not have another choice of career at that point:(

[@cazmaj]

Respect to him for engaging.

[@tofuckingmad6212]

You could tell that first guy had never thought for a second about what he does for a living. Its so sad that these people genuinely think they love animals but will still argue for why they should be able to profit from their dead bodies.

[@PlantBasedPrimary]

I have to say I have a lot of respect for that man for not just putting up his defenses and turning his back. You could tell he was really processing Ed's arguments and feeling the cognitive dissonance that comes with realizing that what one is doing is morally unjustifiable. We all need to remember that the farmer and the consumer are victims of a heartless system, and show compassion, as Ed does here, when helping guide them toward the truth.♥

[@GeddyRC]

#problem vegan people are already so set in their ways, old guys like the first and last in video are set in their ways multiplied by 6-7 decades, they’ve never even questioned it. Not really their fault, but they also now have more information. The approach to young vs old people needs to be totally different, Ed did a great job in this video trying to open their eyes!

[@lil_weasel219]

they do love them. some love them. but then are misguided and do the wrong thing

[@helswake]

I liked the first farmer. He seemed genuine.

[@talesontables]

yeah he seemed to have a realization

[@RTbookworm]

It looked like it was clicking for him. He looked genuinely upset

[@JessyG1990]

I actually feel sorry for him. He has done this all his life, it's all he knows like he said and he seems to realise how wrong it is. Can't imagine living with the guilt and shame...

[@giulioboobzilla]

helswake yes

[@clownworldhereticmyron1018]

WSG Man what part of what Ed's saying is bs?

[@devsie11915]

The first guy was obviously a good person. You could tell he didn’t like thinking about the animals in pain.

[@camiizyl]

One can totally tell that he's reevaluating his whole life (the first guy)

[@samander4837]

@albert fish his new fresh veggie dinner

[@xavierarman]

@albert fish so to think we shouldnt kill animals and have respect for others, is therefore bullshit in your eyes ?! 🙈🙈 dude wake up, learn some compassion and empathy

[@RoxaneBayer]

The worst argument ever is "You live your life, I live mine", like yes, let's all live our own lives, but then also let the animals live.

[@MsRaspberry86]

the worst thing is that he is saying you life your live and i do mine, but there is no way for living in a peaceful community. he´s thinking quite egoistic, with no idea what he´s doing to the environment in which he lives in and as well where his relatives live in. As you say, living a life is just luxury for human and their pets, in the farmers view not for anyone else. he´s thinking a cow has not the right to live.

[@sbeast64]

People often use that line when they realise they have lost the argument because their position is morally weaker. Parents who still use corporal punishment often use the same excuse.

[@Der.Kleine.General]

Roxane Bayer To Live And Let Die :/

[@val77701]

Thats so true.

[@luna.am.21]

It's an individualistic way of thinking. What they don't understand is that their actions have consequences and they affect the people around them and the world we live in. You can't isolate yourself from society, everything you do is part of it. Want it or not, they live in a community, and the thought of community as being important has been replaced by "individual freedom".

[@ijmwpiano]

KILLING ISN'T CARING

[@porkythepig3195]

Neither is not killing.

[@83uwb]

@@porkythepig3195 10/10 logic

[@plutoreturns9630]

Please keep doing things like this we need people in the movement with an ability to talk to people in this way.

[@MsRaspberry86]

yep

[@ed.winters]

+Comm X9 I will do! Thank you!

[@thecheesyvegan5694]

AGAIN: “I haven’t got an argument for that.” Well doesn’t that tell you something about your beliefs?! 😤

[@ILikePlayingMelee]

The Cheesy Vegan I'd rather see that kind of an answer than all the fallacious arguments. Most of our community lived a big part of our life in the same belief as the guy, so I deeply appreciate his honesty :)

[@laurastacey683]

Yeah, don't be mad. In his position, what else do you want him to say? Is he meant to click his heels together, and say, "Golly, you're right, I'm vegan now!" This is not how the human animal changes their mind, not about a deeply ingrained belief system. It's not instant. But if you watch closely, you can see in his eyes that the gears are really beginning to turn. He's thinking hard about it in these clips, and with any luck, he'll keep thinking about it.

[@clairemcrae3612]

Laura Stacey I totally I agree that the gears were turning with him. It's rare to see and I have hope for him.

[@SarymaryQuiteContrary]

The Cheesy Vegan best name ever man ;-) well done

[@karenmckeown7580]

Your so compassionate and real and I have so much respect for you and will always continue to watch your videos and listen and learn from your arguments! It must be so so emotionally hard being at these places knowing what’s going to happen to them ... my heart hurts every day since I became vegan and the awareness around me of what’s actually going on is quite a lonely place as well as frustrating when others don’t want to listen. But on the plus side there’s a positive movement and it’s because of people like you!! 💚🌱

[@heldvers]

They always say "you've got your opinions and I've got mine" I think that's when you know they don't have an argument back

[@nathangribbin8253]

I think that's when they want you to shut up and leave them alone

[@MrFooChops]

Nathan Gribbin Probably right there to be perfectly honest haha! But if what they were doing wasnt such a bad thing they also wouldnt feel the way they do when being asked these questions.

[@hertsengland]

the reason why lambs die in the cold is because they are bred out of season to get the easter market, they would normally come at a warmer time of year and a large % of them die of hypothermia

[@nathangribbin8253]

nah more of them are killed by foxes/crows/ravens/childbirth

[@itsyaboinadia]

@@nathangribbin8253 if born at regular birthing time yes, but if born in winter (when nobody except humans are born) they likely die of cold

[@GLEECLO0]

I’ve been vegetarian for 4 years now and I’m desperate to be a vegan but as I am only 16 my mum doesn’t understand veganism and refuses to buy me dairy and egg free products , I am moving out next year and am so excited to cut out the last of animal products I consume out of my diet completely , I try my hardest to consume as little as possible at the moment and I can’t wait to live a cruelty free life. Thank you for helping me during this journey

[@Blufall]

Just watched this video and scrolled through the comments. I hope you're still on your journey!

[@veganinstinct2813]

Yes I hope you are vegan now.

[@carmarniah9360]

Hey... how're you doing now? =)

[@lil_weasel219]

please be careful tho. get all the nutrients

[@satoshiplanck3771]

Show her earthlings

[@brightgeistmovies]

"we give animals the gift of life by breeding them into misery. and then we end their suffering by killing them." (carnist logic)

[@lil_weasel219]

oh not only carnist; primitive fundamentalist religious folk as well (and oh the overlap). they see making a kid ("giving life") as a virtuous thing. And of course aborting a 5 week old embryo is equal to murdering a 20 year old. As pretty much an antinatalist, I find this shit abhorrent to say the least. they live in an echo chamber

[@Makkaru112]

@@lil_weasel219 pregnant woman murder is called double homicide. Fetus means baby in Latin. The rest of your comment is gold though. ❤️

[@RebeccaParsons82]

Seeing the farmer drive in with the dog on his lap and the cows locked away ready to be sold to die was surreal, how can he see one being as his companion but others as his property

[@IyeBako]

Vegan Hempress I noticed that too. Seriously reminds me of system of slavery and the holocaust. It’s heartbreaking.

[@RebeccaParsons82]

Hopefully there will be a day where the majority of people will look back and see our past use of animal products, their slavery & holocaust as disgraceful.

[@IyeBako]

Ryan Darkens I used to think just like you. We can agree on one thing there were victims in both of those tragic events. Farm animals are current victims and nobody is trying to change your mind. We can hold space for all injustice.

[@swaggyjones9875]

you seriously comparing the intelligence of my German Shepard to some cow lmfao

[@GinjikRoblox]

Swaggy Jones yeah dog doesn’t taste good, beef does!

[@ASOT666]

Is ed a fucking wizard? He really has people questioning their entire life choices within a minute of meeting them

[@kylerowland1227]

Better. He’s vegan Jesus

[@Drummer85Mike]

Because you can’t argue his logic. Not possible

[@EmmyHucker]

The first farmer looked like he was having an existential crisis, but at least you've planted the seed 😂

[@3NSII]

I know right

[@woosh2055]

I actually felt pretty bad for him.

[@ajayyogey6649]

Being a vegan means having compassion for all beings.. including farmers :)

[@sanguisuga6825]

I really hope he can switch to farming crops, as he really seems like a nice man who does feel compassion for animals

[@ninaduschek9267]

oh my god, so right xD but i am actually surprised to see how well he was listening to ed and actually thinking about what he was saying

[@thecheesyvegan5694]

You’re killing it Ed. Every time you upload I get more motivation to get out and be active 💚

[@ed.winters]

+The Cheesy Vegan ahh that's amazing to hear man, thank you!

[@douglasvidarsson3185]

More like he is living it ;) If your name is cheesy atleast live up to the puns m8 ;*

[@carmen-oo8ux]

«killing it» haha

[@mirelakdirova9256]

My current utopia? Being able to argue like you.

[@shonaspetrini6591]

FORREAAALLL

[@83uwb]

Late response but to anyone who struggles to debate (I do too, like a lot. I get very angry when people refuse to accept plain facts or believe animals/livestock only exist to serve us and have no right to live, etc etc): Best thing you can do ask them questions, let them come to their own conclusions. At some point they might realize they'll have no other way of defending their lifestyle without sounding like a psychopath. If the person is smart, they'll accept that we're all conditioned this way but we have the ability to see clearer if we try hard enough. Hardly any person was born vegan. We all learn. Ed did a video on how to be a vegan activist. Do lots of research until you can debunk every single argument on a whim. Because people always have the same excuses. Always. It doesn't work all the time, but maybe you'll plant some seeds in their minds to re-think their way of life.

[@mhl8396]

Or you could have whatever diet you want, and leave everyone else to do the same

[@abipalmer4597]

ed you're literally my hero, i have so much respect for you x

[@brocklesnar3802]

Did he save you from getting slaughtered? 😆

[@TheTatachilla]

The person who gets up at 2:00am in the morning to save the lambs, does it because of the money he hopes to make from the animal. The animal is merely a product not a life. He cares for the animals for profit not for love. There is a distinct difference.

[@nicop5353]

Morgan Michie He doesn’t care for the well being of the lamb, he cares for the well being of his property, and once they stop being profitable, he sells them to die

[@Jesuslover99]

Morgan Michie you can argue and be also active like you are talking - go for it! Become an activist you can do it!

[@nathangribbin8253]

If you truly think that a farmer does not care for his animals, you have never set foot on a farm. Sure, farming has strayed away from names above stalls to clinical numbers, but even in herds of hundreds, farmers still feel love for their animals. Saying a farmer does not care for his animals is probably one of the most insulting things you can say to them.

[@TheTatachilla]

I didn't say the farmer doesn't care. I said his motives are commercial as opposed to the love of the animal. I understand why this is. I don't agree with it though.

[@GinjikRoblox]

You have no idea. A prime example of the lack of knowledge.

[@Oxxxshy]

I feel bad for the first man somehow. He looks like someone who maybe hasn't had the opportunity to receive higher education and ended probably taking his family's farming business because he had to work something to make a living. He doesn't seem like a bad person at all.

[@warriorgoddesscrystalgeome6337]

The cognitive dissonance is so ingrained. Brain washed

[@joytotheworldddd]

Ya ed really finds a good way to really drill into your brain and makes you think :)

[@JonnyCooper]

That first farmer looked really sad

[@joosjebleeker194]

Maybe the blood flow to their hearts is blocked by all the saturated fat and so they don't have enough love for the animals

[@nicclarke1151]

That's scientifically inaccurate but still funny so fair play.

[@joosjebleeker194]

@Nich Clarke I know, I'm studying Biology at university :) And thanks hahaha!

[@sorryhiable]

HAHAH best thing I’ve read

[@oijosukeiliveinyourwalls5798]

@@joosjebleeker194 Maybe the soy you are eating is filled with insect repellent and you are not thinking that al those plantations need to be sprayed and bugs get killed lizards get killed birds who eat lizards poisoned too and you screw an ecosystem..Just bc they arent mammals they dont feel pain?

[@loisaitken2192]

wow that first farmer was really thinking about it, bless him. Thank you ed for waking people up and making them realise the corrupt world we live in

[@vegancrue13]

What about the animals...? Best question ever! We don't need to farm them anymore. Time to move on. Farm some veggies.

[@nicop5353]

Vegan Crue 🌱🥕🍎💪

[@vegancrue13]

pyrobotnik there you are I was waiting for you! I expected you sooner.

[@rickfan7]

pyrobotnik It is a fact tho. You really dont need meat

[@Bloodyhurricane]

www.sciencealert.com/new-study-reveals-84-of-vegetarians-return-to-meat faunalytics.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Faunalytics_Current-Former-Vegetarians_Full-Report.pdf One google search, et voilà, you utter sissy emotional leftard.

[@Bloodyhurricane]

Nobody said that 84% go back to eating meat because of health reasons, just that 84% return to meat. But the others reasons why they give up are interesting as well.either because their partners eat meat or because those apprentice vegan can't even stick to their diet : "Put another way," says Jessica Leber at Fast Company, "they found that only one in five vegetarians and vegans maintains their diet; a full 84 percent eventually revert back to eating meat or other animal products." " Pretty weak for only 2% of the US population. The fact is, the large majority who become vegan, do it because they think that make them tolerant and open minded, so they can go on their instagram and twitter statut and get some hearts and likes. and gloat around their friend so everyone will be impressed and therefore, have a feel good moment being considered as progressive. It's just, for the majority of them, a trendy fight. They couldn't care less about animals

[@hopecook63]

That man at the start was very calm and it was good to see he really looked like he was thinking about what you were saying

[@sarah-vk5jb]

Omg poor bbys :( those cows looked so stressed and frightened

[@foxtrotfelix9086]

Yummy for my tummy they all gonna die for my delicious cheeseburger

[@luna.am.21]

Foxtrot Felix Very funny

[@grant2890]

This animation shows that same concern from an alien's perspective kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6HGmmuvipeme5I

[@helensmith4126]

Foxtrot Felix You know the flesh of dead animals has cholesterol which blocks your arteries don't you? And causes cancer, heart disease and diabetes? The hospitals are full of meat eaters with preventable diseases, if people would change their diet to plant based.

[@helensmith4126]

albert fish Actually you can all the nutrients you need from a plant based diet. If you look on the world health organisation website, they state that mean causes cancer. Red meat and processed meat are the absolute worst. Dairy causes osteoporosis as it creates acidity in our bodies. This is counteracted by calcium in our body neutralizing it......the calcium from our bones. Ever thought why countries who consume a lot of dairy have osteoporosis? If dairy was needed for calcium, we wouldn't have osteoporosis right? Look in the hospitals......cancer, strokes, diabetes, heart disease, obesity. Where do you think animals get their nutrients from? Plants. We don't need meat and dairy to survive and if you read the China Study this confirms a meat and dairy based diet is not healthy. I know what you're saying as I used to think the same that we need a balanced diet. But we are being lied to by the farming and animal agriculture industries, they spend A LOT of money on their propaganda. They are not bothered about our health, the animals or the environment, all they care about is making money. Watch Cowspiracy, Earthlings and The Land of Hope and Glory :-)

[@sbeast64]

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" ~ Upton Sinclair

[@davidhenderson5051]

Wow Ed...you almost broke the first farmer down....you could see the pain on his face....! I almost thought he would start crying.... !

[@MrFooChops]

Thought the same.

[@LouisGedo]

Facts and logic destroys carnist nonsense every time

[@regal65821]

Louis Gedo Meme redeemed

[@MrFooChops]

Well said.

[@LouisGedo]

Luis Nava , a couple of people have been trying to appropriate my meme

[@LouisGedo]

pyrobotnik , you still don't understand the meme....if you went vegan you would.

[@LouisGedo]

TheFettuck , too bad for your meme, you've yet to demonstrate that such a conditon exists....all you've done is shown your lack of comprehension on the difference between intended violence and unintended consequence.

[@Nicole-px3ll]

i really like the first guy. in another life, had he been exposed to the truths before, he wouldn't have been a cattle farmer

[@desireemarana4997]

I said it before and I’ll say it again... you have the patience of a saint and god bless you❤️

[@KennySchafer]

Its almost refreshing when somebody can admit that they have no argument, instead of coming up with an excuse off the top of their head. Great job, Ed!

[@mabr82]

I feel sorry for the older guys. You can't change their opinion. The "wouldn't even exist argument" is the only one they've got. The whole point is that they shouldn't exist in this manner. Bred to die is no life.

[@travels29]

Exactly it’s like your parents having you then saying, well they wouldn’t exist if I didn’t have them so can do what I want

[@nicop5353]

It’s just like saying “Slavery increased the black population therefore it was beneficial to blacks.

[@mabr82]

led samsung lol "food chain" Humans have no physical attributes that can make us able to hunt or even kill most animals. Food chain was created by, oh yeah, humans. I wonder why we out put them on top? If we're top of the food chain then you'd have no problem swimming with great whites? Sleeping with lions/Tigers?

[@mabr82]

led samsung Please tell me ( something that you learned in school - again a human construct/not a natural part of the world) about which physical attributes a human has to be able to catch, restrain, kill, tear apart and eat (raw) a cow? If it's natural, no tools allowed.

[@mabr82]

Ryan Darkens fair enough. Rocks, sticks etc fine, I'll go with that. But tools like guns, spears, bows and arrows, cattle prods, electricity, traps, gates, chains, locks. Unnatural.

[@babychicks3244]

I liked this first farmer. He just seemed old and tired and never thought about it all. Very set in his ways but at least willing to talk to you.

[@piotrwismont2345]

The guy simply never thought about it for 50 years of doing it. How wonderful

[@sammypanda]

it's so conflicting, like i feel really visceral sad feelings for the farmers especially the ones who have done it for so long.. the confusion, remorse and not really knowing what to do.. it hurts to see them in that place. But as much as it makes my heart feel heavy, it doesn't hurt more than it hurts to know and see what the animals go through. It's all pretty hard

[@ladycaticorn2950]

You can love the farmers as human beings with dignity, and you can grieve that they were lied to about animal agriculture their whole lives too. But we can also recognize that, even though they were habituated to abuse animals and profit off of that abuse, they have still perpetuated the violence, which isn't okay.

[@MrFooChops]

"I haven't thought about it and I've been a farmer for 50 years" - This is excellent Ed!

[@sbeast64]

The amount of defence mechanisms and deflection techniques a person uses when ask a simple question regarding morality, is directly proportional to how many unresolved emotional conflicts they have, which usually include guilt, shame, fear, and anger.

[@veganfortheanimals6994]

Appreciate all you do, Ed The rusty gears in the head of the first farmer started to move for the first time probably since childhood

[@fwj2715]

Vegan For The Animals Ⓥ No need to treat the man that way.

[@mikeleikam2892]

Try farming if you think only brain dead people can do it. Hard way to make a living. Up 23 hours a day during calving season , getting up before daylight feeding and caring for the livestock. Get to bed at 11-12 pm. You have no idea what farmers/ ranchers do.

[@helensmith4126]

Mike Leikam No doubt at all it is a very hard and time consuming job. But at the end of the day, (if you're a farmer) you commit the ultimate betrayal to these animals who are as innocent as children. You look after them. They trust you. And them you put them on a truck and take them to be killed. Pigs are as intelligent as a 3 year old child. They're not stupid and they know something bad is going to happen. They have done absolutely nothing wrong. I watched a video recently of some baby calves being literally forced into the slaughterhouse as they didn't want to go in as they were scared. As a decent human being.....you can't say that is morally right? Why can't you grow crops instead or do something different that doesn't involve torture and murder of innocent animals? I'm not being disrespectful there.....I just know it's absolute psychos who work in slaughterhouses and I've also seen footage of farmer's abusing animals. The vegan food market is growing as people are learning what happens to animals.

[@mikeleikam2892]

Helen Smith you know it's psycos that work in slaughter houses? Really , couldn't be people who are making a living to support their families right? You vegans amaze me to no end! You think you are so morally better then anyone who eats meat! You aren't, you just have a different opinion! I enjoy meat , therefore I eat animals! Giving animals the same emotions and knowledge as humans is just nuts!

[@helensmith4126]

Mike Leikam Watch the Land of Hope and Glory. It's an undercover documentary that the man who made this video made of farms in the UK. I promise you, it shows absolute psychopaths on the footage, abusing the animals before they are killed. It also shows footage of farmer's abusing the animals. So yes, I do know there are psychos who work in the industry. People who are vegan don't think their morals are better, you're misunderstanding me. Many vegans also used to eat meat and dairy, myself included but their eyes were opened to the lies we are told about meat and dairy and also watching documentaries about what happens. Once you know what happens, I feel we have an obligation to tell others as meat and dairy is not only killing animals but also killing humans and the planet. You only need to look at the illnesses people have who are in hospital to see.....cancer, strokes, heart disease, osteoporosis, obesity. Meat is a type 1 carcinogen which means is it does cancer in humans. Look on world health organisation website to see this. Red and processed meat is the worst. If you watch the land of hope and glory, Earthlings and Cowspiracy, they are good documentaries to watch. I honestly don't think vegans think we are better, we just want to tell people to do their own research on what they are putting into their bodies as it's making us poorly and destroying the planet. People get defensive as their beliefs are challenged and to be fair, nobody likes that. We are brought up and raised thinking it's normal to eat one type of animal but have another as a pet and love the pets. To me that is crazy. They do feel pain and we don't eat cats and dogs do we.

[@dirtysocks8145]

That farmer seems so nice

[@christinacolourful198]

Man that first farmer broke my heart. Great job as always.

[@talisman7170]

Ed you are great in debating mate haha. A good thing to say btw when they say: "they would never live if we didnt do this" than just say: "well you have been bred to existense as well in a way, you didnt choose to live either. But you are alive and you don't want to die, don't you think the animals feel the same."

[@jasonvoorhees5180]

Not a very good comparison since when people have kids they are their progeny and dare for them and raise them until they are eventually able to live ok their own and start their own families, for livestock and other domestic animals this is not so , they require the care and protection of humans all their lives (unless they are a type of creature that can turn feral). I understand the point you’re trying to make but the comparison of a human baby being raised in relation to a non human animal being raised but are not that easily brought together and don’t necessarily function as an analogue I’m going out on a limb here but I think what the man ed is talking to means is domestic livestock were bred from their wild ancestors several thousand years ago to be utilitarian creatures that could provide for people and enable us to set up permanent roots instead of having to hunt for wild game all the time giving us a reliable source of food. Goats were domesticated from ibex , sheep from mouflon, horses from smaller wild counterparts in the Eurasian steppe, dogs from wolves , chickens from wild jungle fowl, cattle from aurochs, and pigs from wild boar. Over generations we bred them and artificially selected the most favorable traits we wanted, eventually leading to the various different breeds we see today. So my guess is when he said “they wouldn’t exist if we didn’t do this” is these cattle and other breeds like them would cease to exist if they were not utilized for food. That’s just the reality of most livestock it’s what they were bred for (save for horses since they are more useful as transportation and work animals) it’s essentially their purpose and why they’re here to begin with. Again just giving insight into what the phrase he said usually means in regards to livestock

[@jasonvoorhees5180]

And in any case my point was why domestic breeds of livestock exist and how they don’t work as an analogue to humans beings as the original commenter stated I’m not trying to be offensive to the person but the analogy they drew was faulty at best and didn’t measure up well as a comparison to non human animals I also mentioned that I understood the point he was trying to make in the beginning as well, just that the road that came afterwords got bumpy

[@ni1985uk]

This is fantastic Ed, it was such a sad day there at Thame Market, the cows were so loud and clearly not happy! Thank you for raising so much awareness and teaching us all how to become better activists. 💚

[@pablosearth]

Just knowing that Ed's out there doing this brightens up my existence. I have a cattle market not too far from me, I'm going to check it out tomorrow.. I think its all about planting them seeds and making people think about what they are doing. Cant thank you enough Ed, much love Brother

[@annawilson6338]

You do amazing things ed ... thank you for guiding the world to become a kinder, better place.♥️

[@pakau]

agree ! 100 % im loving this guy's videos more and more

[@nicop5353]

He’s literally a hero. 💚

[@georgetilley9345]

He aint no hero. He literally pounces on people un-prepared to make him seem intellectually stronger. That isn't a debate, that's COW-ardice.

[@mortijames8799]

+SealOfapproval well said

[@pakau]

i dont agree.. trust me i tried to do it a lot .. is not easy.. at all

[@erin-iq8tm]

the first guy actually listened and looked like he tried to see the other side and actually considered ed's arguments instead of instantly dismissing them. we need more people like that.

[@catseye1117]

Ed, you are such a good, understanding soul. A shining example for vegan activists.

[@gonewiththekale]

I really love how the older man didn’t become defensive with you as you talked to him about his lifetime of “work.” There was a gentleness there, I know he will be thinking about what you said on his own.

[@sharingtruth9024]

this man's guilt in his eyes in the beginning...he seems like a good old grandpa

[@MrFooChops]

The sad thing is deep down these farmers are actually really nice people and as much as I dont like what they do to animals a part of me does feel sorry for them because they are no different to any one of us that use to eat animals in the sense that they've also been brainwashed and indoctrinated into believing in the 3 N's of justification. They are that this is.. Normal Natural Necessary KZbin > Dr Melanie Joy - The Secret Reason We Eat Meat

[@veganthinking5823]

Choose Vegan They are often hard working, committed people. They just simply haven't considered challenging their choices.

[@MrFooChops]

Vegan Thinking Exactly. But also the same way we never considered what we were contributing towards before we stopped contributing to it and became vegan. Of course now that they are aware and perhaps they might give it some thought then maybe they will re-evaluate. After all it wouldnt be the first time a farmer sent his cattle to a sanctuary and lets hope more of that continues.

[@veganthinking5823]

Indeed. Love it when farmers do this.

[@williamtenkate2789]

Drives me insane when it so frequently goes to, "well, you have your opinion, and I have mine." That's fine for a question of something inconsequential like what your favorite color is, but you can't end a debate about exploitation and killing with that! That being said, I do understand that it's unlikely for someone to immediately admit or realize that you've convinced them, so hopefully it just means they'll consider it more in their own time.

[@MrFooChops]

pyrobotnik Its a fact that these animals are sentient and that they feel pain. Its a fact that we dont need animals to survive. Its a fact that these animals do not want to die. I could go on and on BUT the FACT is when you deny these animals their right to freedom from pain and unnecessary suffering then we will always speak out for them the same way most sane and logical person would speak out if they were dogs.

[@iReveal-Precious]

ED youre so powerful!

[@estherjimenezinigo]

@Doomsday wow you seem very intelligent

[@p.ananditaosmec-0673]

Im not a meat eater but the moment he said "youre lucky arent you?" To the dog, i flipped. I cried so much. I cant bear the preferences

[@aleariqueta9677]

i’m just so amazed at how you stay so calm with all the farmers you talk to. you are so kind & try your hardest not to fight or interrupt anyone. You are so amazing ed & i hope to be as calm & collected as you are if i ever interact w/ a farmer 💕

[@Bonobo3D]

So many provocative questions for these framers. I like the way they keep answering, you are making them think. Inspiring activism!

[@bluerainbow11]

Wow, at the beginning it must be hard to look at all these cows knowing what kind of life they live and how their end will be. I have so much respect for you Ed for doing this work, I picture it as being emotionally draining, but it is so worth it for these wonderful sentient creatures. Thank you!

[@mattw3340]

You are awesome bro. Quick witted, knowledgeable, polite, but you don't take any crap either when they're getting out of line trying to start physical altercations. Much respect for what you are doing, I wish I could do half the job you're doing here.

[@ConscientiousOmnivore]

The response at 1:40 sums it up perfectly. He's never thought about it and he's been doing it for 50 years. It's so sad because I know how long it took me to see the truth. I can only hope that the seed is planted for that guy too. Keep up the great work Ed!

[@Greivous429]

Conscientious Omnivore hes too old to give up what's hes doing. He's at a point in his life that he can't quit because it would make no sense. Would you quit a job you done for 20 years and enjoyed for a new job you hate and earn next to Nothing? Most people will say no.

[@ConscientiousOmnivore]

Hi RedBeard. I totally agree with you on how difficult it would be for someone in his situation to make a change. It's not impossible though and there are some great examples of people who've done just that. Howard Lyman was a fourth generation dairy farmer who became vegan and advocates for animals. Check him out if you haven't heard of him - kzbin.info/www/bejne/gHyXkKiflMaHmJI I've been working in Information Technology for 18 years now and I'm pushing myself more and more toward being able to garden and grow my own food. It's a big part of what my channel is about too. No one is too old to change.

[@MrFooChops]

RedBeard He wouldnt be the first farmer that handed over all his cattle to a sanctuary, this happend quite recently!

[@swaggyjones9875]

@@MrFooChops yup just hand over some property worth hundreds of thousands of pounds lmao

[@Jesuslover99]

Everyone of you who thinks that Ed has the talent to speak to people and spread the awareness and message in an amazing way - PLEASE then support him and donate for him, become his patreon. With every cent he get's he can make this work full time! So guys come on go to his website and donate a few amount of EUR NOW! Not tomorrow, not in one week - NOW. You wanna help and support him for what he is doing? The donate! This is the best way you can do, if you cannot go out by yourself and doing activism. You are helping actively also if you donate!! Let's do this for a better future and we know that Ed can do it!

[@MrFooChops]

Khali Mo I completely agree with you. I realised that if I cant be out there everyday like Ed then the LEAST I could do is help support someone who is. If everyone did this we would get the vegan ball running even faster!

[@LifeisEnergy2]

He can also sale items that will help with awareness. You don’t see Gary begging for money to spread awareness on his vegan 🌱 lifestyle. This is one thing that cause for people not to watch videos because they have to be made to feel guilty to donate money. If there’s a note that says donations are welcome and you offer something in return people will donate freely without making you feel guilty for it. Food for thought 🙏🏽🌱🌱

[@LifeisEnergy2]

@@MrFooChops the The ball is been rolling for years people are just stubborn. You can do your part without asking for donations. I do mine every day. And most of my friends and family have changed the lifestyle but it took me a long time to get them there.

[@Denniss7420]

"It's no more cruel than sending your kids to school when they don't wanna go". That was the last farmers answer to the cattle not wanting to go to the slaughterhouse.

[@thezeebie1]

You make me want to get out and spread the word of veganism. You're doing amazing Ed xx

[@rangeslider]

Every one of Earthling Ed's videos should have 7.5 BILLION views and least a minimum of 7 BILLION likes.

[@samperry2305]

Oh man. It's so sad to see the contrast between the outcome for the dogs vs the outcome for the cows 😭💔

[@KristaJMOsborne]

how you stay so calm is actually beyond me Ed! You're absolutely incredible!!

[@naife1000]

The first farmer was dealing with a lot in his head, you can tell. He knows it’s wrong but is too scared to fully accept that what he’s done his entire life is immoral. Nobody wants to think that. I see more hope in that guy than the others who just think veganism is a joke. The first farmer was calm and it was actually quite a nice conversation to hear✌🏻

[@agdhfbfjdjsjanajjshwuxdjjj8072]

“It’s like sending your kids to school when they don’t want to go” The children come back from school with an education and the cows (or any other animal) get their lives taken from them yep definitely the same thing..... The animals and we as a community appreciate all that you do Ed❤️

[@TheTatachilla]

This is really good Ed. You're taking the argument to those who actually profit from this industry. Can't have been easy, but very commendable. Great work mate.

[@ed.winters]

+Morgan Michie thank so much man!

[@Creative-os3hx]

Epic conversations. 👍🙏 So horrible seeing cows scared.

[@the_number_8_]

Imagine farming cattle your whole life and then realising it's immoral. You'd be absolutely gutted. I feel sorry for the first farmer. You could see that he was struggling to take in what was being said. Once he understood, he was honest about not being able to have an argument against what Ed was saying. That type of honesty is rare. I hope he makes changes and when he does so, doesn't beat himself up too much about what he used to do.

[@aaldrikbakker]

That first farmer really touched me, because you could clearly see in real time that his morals were shifted a bit, that was so beautiful to see. Ed did that perfectly with so much compassion towards the farmer.

[@gerphoenix5786]

I was so surprised about the first farmer

[@plantbassldn8251]

Wow Ed, your calmness is so inspiring these days. truly proud of the way you approach these people. I actually feel sorry for these farmers that have known nothing else by design. This approach you have is an absolute game changer. Keep it up! You're amazing! Thank you

[@OhCaroline]

So basically these farmers think that being murdered after two years is acceptable because at least you got a chance at life.... 🤨

[@jennylf1]

That conversation with the red-jacketed farmer brought tears to my eyes ngl

[@MartiiiDoll]

The first guy was so nice! I think towards the end of the conversation it hit him. I almost felt sorry for him, when he realised something he's done his whole life might actually conflict with his morals in the end.

[@MartiiiDoll]

Fascinating how some of these people genuinely never thought about what they do as something questionable ...

[@kezbot4283]

Ed, you are the best! You're so good at getting your points across without coming off as preachy or aggressive in any way. You really got the gears turning in that first guys head and had him questioning his life's work. Amazingly inspiring stuff brother! Thank you for everything you do! ❤️

[@ed.winters]

+BJJBRAD42 thank you so much man!

[@juliewake4585]

Oh Ed: you’re arguments and empathy are wonderful.

[@insanebrain213]

"We're all ready to listen to your arguments"!! That guy was a sweet heart. In fact we're all sweet hearts, we've just been duped and we're all in denial about it.

[@antoineellis1539]

The first farmer broke my heart

[@MrNinjamin]

Wow. That first farmer was perhaps the most intellectually honest carnist I've seen discussing animal rights.

[@Nick-1992-SRB]

OMG they are so stressed out and sad the way Ed zoomed in the cows face at the end of the video is very sad.

[@dani.meisner]

I feel so bad for that first farmer, I appreciate his honesty and genuiness. We need to support people like him to transition into plant agriculture

[@user-yw6ix3ep4d]

Same, the way he exhaled at 3:03 was just... I felt so sorry for him

[@darknightfawkes1028]

they are all running on subconscious programmes that they've been taught by their parents parents, of course they would never really question what they do. its very sad.

[@Makkaru112]

Show the last guy pics & videos of happy cows and all the things they provide for nature and other people. Animals are sacred. Especially cows. They should see how powerfully connected they are to various people worldwide. Especially indigenous groups around the world. Such as the importance of a birth of white buffalo comes to mind. One was born recently here in Canada and America and it spells for many great things to come for the world.❤

[@dodgeball693]

Farmer-- 'I can't argue with you there'. Exactly.

[@anonymusanonym5393]

ok but the part where ed pets/talks to the dogs is too much for my heart..cut the cuteness! i love u ed, thank you so much in the name of the animals and in the name of earth.. wish there were more ppl like you.

[@ilikeoptter]

It's heartbreaking to watch Earthling Ed teach empathy. Empathy is what makes us human. Empathy should be our first lesson in life.

[@chinchilla_462]

I don't think he's necessarily teaching empathy he's just reminding people that these living beings are not so different from us humans. That they wanna live, don't wanna suffer, wanna be with their family and so on.

[@chrisx5127]

Empathy makes you weak and that how other people take advantage of you.

[@chinchilla_462]

@@chrisx5127 Empathy is part of the human nature, without empathy we wouldn't ever have been able to form meaningful bonds and connections in a group setting. Without empathy we would've never survived in nature, suppressing your innate empathy will lead to great tension and suffering. Empathy is not weakness nor strength, it's just part of you you can either ignore it and try to cut it out of your experience which will not work, or you can accept that and embrace it. Compassion for yourself is also what's needed in a healing process, is what would help you relief your current suffering also. May you be at peace friend.

[@chinchilla_462]

@@chrisx5127 people take advantage of you when you suppress your anger, anger is the emotion that protects your boundaries emotionally and physically. But all too often anger is suppressed in our society, as kids we get taught that angry kids are not accepted and sent to their room. In school we are told that good boys don't get angry. This leads to a suppression of anger which later leads to depression, anxiety, outbursts of rage and an inauthentic life. Empathy is not what allows other people to take advantage of you, anger repression is.

[@chrisx5127]

@@chinchilla_462 Empathy is weakness my friend. What you need is logic.

[@leilajayne1]

OMG, the first guy is so gormless! He has been doing this job for 50 years yet looks absolutely clueless as to what you are asking him, like he has never stopped to consider these things before...unbelievable. I also want to say Ed, that I love how natural and consistent you are with the questions you ask and the way you respond to their attempts to give 'justified' reasons for their actions. I learn so much from you and try to apply this in my own activism. An inspiration to all of us. THANK YOU!!!

[@plantmagicwoman4386]

Farmer tries to pat himself on back for being an animal care taker and lover... Lol!!!! For profit!!! Ridiculous

[@pestomitketchup]

i felt bad for the first farmer! he genuinely likes his animals ... but imagine being so old, worked hard his whole live, and then being confronted by such powerful arguments. and then not knowing how to change your life, because it's all you know. made me really sad :(

[@SenrisPlace]

Does anyone live in Hawaii and interested in getting together for street activism? I will be starting soon and thought maybe I could find some people here. I don't know. I currently do art activism but I really have the drive and the need to get out there in the world and help more.

[@nicop5353]

SenRi you can join an anonymous for the voiceless group. They have meet ups all over the world and do some great activism.

[@SenrisPlace]

I just went to their website a few days ago! And yes, they do have a group in Honolulu. Thanks for the reminder. I think this is the best way.

[@sandrock8236]

I do! I have been thinking the same thing, actually.

[@nicop5353]

Or you can do some activism by yourself by putting stickers on meat products in your local grocery store that have a vegan message.

[@alicegarcia9487]

Start a group called Vegans Hawaii and share it around and maybe you'll find people there??

[@FayeOwens_Ss]

Wow!! I love the way you conduct yourself when speaking about these issues. I end up getting annoyed and upset when people can’t see that what’s happening is wrong. I love what you do Ed. Beautiful work!

[@mosquitoproductions9452]

Again, another great video

[@emmasoderstrom5733]

The first farmer seemed quite genuine and understanding actually

[@ScrayXXI]

Stupid vegans! Where do you get your protein? Just kidding. Good stuff Ed. Keep it up.

[@brendanharrison2438]

Ed, your proficiency for this style of advocacy is becoming so powerful. I would love to see you move beyond the individual in the street and on to the masses

[@miaanimallover1584]

They don't know what to say because is all about profit full stop.

[@nathangribbin8253]

If it was all about profit I doubt most of them would be farmers

[@TheRealmusic18]

Dear First Farmer, thank you for being so open-minded and for listening to a different point of view. I want to hug him and talk to him. Good job spreading this message with love and peace, Ed.