Fat Acceptance Needs FATTER Models

[@powderandpaint14]

If we're not going to have models that are unhealthily thin (which we shouldn't) we also shouldn't have models that are unhealthily big either.

[@RainbowStarseed]

🎤💥

[@RextheDragon881]

Makes sense to me

[@seraphina3093]

Great point

[@RextheDragon881]

@@powderandpaint14 it seems like putting anyone/ body type on a pedestal is the problem. super thin was the goal, on the pedestal then curvy, then morbidly obese on a pedestal, just acceptance of everyone seems like the way to go and not glorify any one type

[@gojiberry7201]

Agreed

[@fitfatty211]

“Ashley Graham is not a big woman; she’s a normal size!” Being a “normal size” in America these days means being “big.” Americans are fat - we know this already. When the average person is overweight, being an average size does not mean that you aren’t “big,” it just means that you are the same amount of overweight as most people.

[@canecorsomom2023]

A little louder for the people crunching their chips in the back

[@hippie1252]

Fun fact, the average American gets 4400 steps in a day. Paired with the sad Standard American Diet, it adds up.

[@callmenicole.93]

I live in Europe and I immediately thought that's NOT a normal size, if we intend normal as "the norm"/"the most common body type".

[@o3MTA3o]

​@@hippie1252 steps don't really matter. You can't outrun a bad diet.

[@hippie1252]

@@o3MTA3o Your diet is #1 for sure but your activity level matters as well. If you're sendintary, you have to eat less to maintain your weight but if you're active, you get more leeway.

[@evabeveridge9651]

I always liked Ashley Graham better than Tess Holiday. She’s classier and seems more positive in her life. She’s THEE OG. There’s a reason Ashley is getting more work in modeling than Tess because Tess doesn’t shut up and causes drama ALL THE TIME.

[@dessaml18]

Ashley gets more work because she hasn't made being bigger her entire identity like Tess. You never hear about ultra skinny models going on about how thin they are. Not sure why Tess feels the need to remind everyone she's fat as if we can't see or just forgot.

[@ash-is-napping]

That’s all of us

[@intensivepurpose]

Ashley can actually model and walk a runway. Tess blunders down the runway like a sentient cringe art school think piece

[@saraproblemhere]

Ashley is shaped like an hourglass, not a ball, and isn't covered in tats.

[@nycdanilrebel]

And Tess' a n a stunt backfired on her since brands can't hire models with a n a

[@JS-mg1mk]

Its ok for most of us to not look like models. Can we normalize THAT? Models arent supposed to be "representative". They are, by definition, very unique and rare. Most women are not 5'10" and above. Most women do not have a beautiful enough face to be a model. Most of us are average and thats ok. I want to look at beautiful models, not "representative" ones.

[@hedaheda1609]

1.55 m(5,1 ft) is quite short for a woman. Most women are 1.60 - 1.68 m. 1.70 m and above is a relatively rare.

[@blondbraid7986]

I also think teens in the age of mass-media has such a warped perspective on beauty, like, 90% of all humans in history did zero skincare, had no options to alter their body shape beyond some padded clothes, yet STLL was able to find somebody to reproduce with them.

[@bridaw8557]

And now with the influencers with fake everything, in our faces constantly, its worse. The fashion airbrushed magazines back in the day were bad enough. And Ashley G is beautiful but bigger than most. Shes also big in areas that don’t correlate as much to health effects, such as hips and butt, vs stomach/ waist. That’s why she is better all around. That is a “plus sized” model we can accept

[@helenelittmann8875]

Most of us will not have model, actress, or Victoria's Secret bodies even if we went down to minimum body fat. Height, proportion, leg length, cheekbones, etc. Theres a lot of need for young women to be able to accept their basic body type, quite apart from weight.

[@lauramcguan]

People need to understand Ashley Graham would have NEVER been a VS angel 20 years ago

[@buffalowig]

i think that’s their point?

[@UncleMikeDrop]

Ashley Graham is plus sized. She just carries it well. This makes her look thinner than she actually is. Furthermore, MOST PEOPLE look thin compared to multi sized "models" like Tess Holiday.

[@MilkByCow]

It’s cause she’s got a thin face. Same with Tess. That’s why they’re models. If they carried more fat in their faces, they wouldn’t be models. Even fat acceptance models practice fatphobia - from the neck up.

[@erlandaislund4594]

I think, that is an important point. There is "regular size", that is "within the healthy weightrange". "Plussize" is a few extra pounds. Overweight. Over the healthy range. And then there are the obese and morbifly obese people. People double, tripple their healthy weight. Those are NOT "plussize". As you said, they are "double size" and even "tripple size"!

[@bridaw8557]

Shes big in the right places, not the stomach/waist, which are associated with morbidity

[@UncleMikeDrop]

@bridaw8557 Yeah. She carries it well. That is why she is a model. Body shape is more important than body size even amongst regular and super models. It just becomes impossible to carry weight well once someone approaches 300+Lbs. Ashley Graham's body shape allows the clothing items she models to cling and hang well which makes them look good. Consumers buy fashionable clothing to make THEMSELVES look good, but the purpose of a model is to make the CLOTHING look good.

[@pmc2999]

True. I've seen some obese women even approaching morbidly obese who simply carry that weight in areas where people expect curves. So they are going to still be seen as more attractive than women who just look like a jiggly lump. And Ashley definately carries her weight well but she is a carrying a lot of weight.

[@nickjackson2660]

This woman probably shouldn't act like she speaks for all millennials. Some of us believe that you can have a healthy weight without being obese or rail thin. I'm so sick of the "Internet millennial, defeatist" mindset

[@booskie4316]

The youngest Millennial is... 28? As soon as they get into their thirties they'll realize the silliness of "overweight is healthy" when their knees, ankles and backs start talking to them. The defeatist mindset isn't really a Millennial exclusive trait--it's held by I'd say at least 3/4 of people and allows them to continue their unhealthy, destructive behaviors.

[@JS-mg1mk]

I love that she says "some of us watched our loved ones die from EDs!" I'm sorry what? Is she seriously suggesting people dying from ana isn't an INCREDIBLY rare event? It's like 200 people a year in a country of 350 million. You would have to search for YEARS to find a millennial who's loved one died of an ED 😂

[@imjustvi6279]

@@JS-mg1mk It kinda annoys me how people only talk about under-eating EDs and not over-eating ones. One's just as dangerous as the other, you can't just place the blame on skinny people.

[@ximar0ckstrx]

Thank you!

[@ximar0ckstrx]

​@@JS-mg1mkive seen more people die from over eating than under eating.

[@Bunn.B]

Okay so, yes, Ashley Graham is fat. However, whether through genetics or surgery or both, she has the body shape that carries fat well and is seen as the "acceptable" fat body. I feel like that convo always gets left out and it's so important to address. There are lots of women her size and facial attractiveness, but are Apple/Rectangular/Triangle proportioned and would never ever be invited to walk VSFS like Ashley. It's so baffling that side of beauty standard is always left out in the thin-obese rhetoric.

[@Rechtauch]

But it is the same with thin models. Whatever the size,models have beautiful bodies. What is the issue? I have no model body and that is fine, that is not my job. I am not less valuable.because I have not a model body. Most people are not models.

[@ifeyhome]

Ashely looks like a plus size super model. She has a 10/10 face and a perfectly proportioned body...just in a larger size.

[@anyahl7]

perfectly said

[@CorntwallLipstickQueen]

She’s not far you weirdo

[@wendi2819]

​@@ifeyhomeEXACTLY! What all of you have said. Tess came on the scene with a chip on her shoulder and she just got more angry. She's so bulky and clumsy, her ultra morbid obesity makes her look like she could fall or have a massive heart attack at any moment. Ashley presents as kind and polite. She looks healthy and California surfer- girl sunny and sultry. Eva Mendez and Ashley have a similar beauty. Ashley could lose 30 lbs. And every size 0-4 model could gain 30-50!

[@TeamYouphoric]

There will always be a fatter model. If 400 pound models are unhappy that the plus size models are only 300 pounds, then the next step is for the 500 models to be upset at the 400 pound models, the 600 pound models to be upset at the 500 pound models, and so on.

[@laurasc84366]

They don’t last that long

[@dees3179]

How much weight can catwalks and stilettos carry? Logically there has to be a point at which the point loading sends someone through the floor in a dramatic accident. Has it ever happened? Regardless of the health of the model, law of physics is still a thing.

[@gints2766]

@@dees3179also how far they can go down the runway. I feel like when this chain gets to 500 even they would be like “tf are you talking about”

[@TeamYouphoric]

@@dees3179 titanium heels?

[@SolitaryGem]

I agree that it went too far. I understand Ashley Graham being a representative for body positivity cuz she's a pretty, plus-size woman. But having Tess Holiday and other morbidly obese people walking runways wasn't great representation because it's just not healthy. And to be honest, I bet not much of a brand's customer base isn't that huge. Edit: I also hate how much these people overemphasize how many people have restrictive EDs. Way more people in this country struggle with overeating, obesity and comorbidities

[@BloodQueenoftheDamned]

Tess on the runway was a joke . And an insult to real models that worked hard.

[@lauramcguan]

Unpopular opinion, maybe but it doesn’t look good

[@erlandaislund4594]

Funny thing is, that Ashley would probably still be bullied from those morbidly obese FA influencers as "too skinny for body positivity!" And for having "skinny privilege"

[@Nero_Jero]

Gotta love how all these people born post-1995 talk about the early 00s as the skinniest time period. They'd lose their minds if they saw what was popular in the 80s and early 90s.

[@Miss_Wonderful1]

Yeah. I'm Italian and, in the '90s, being the majority of my friends related to the fashion industry and clubs revolving around it, I've so many skeletons one can't even imagine! And, sadly, there was only one way to keep them energetic enough to work and party.... 😞

[@megsley]

anyone else remember the diet "candy" ayds? 😂

[@hejmonika1001]

I know! ‘Heroin Chic’

[@Miss_Wonderful1]

@@hejmonika1001 Yes! That's the definition I didn't remember

[@kidawesomeness123]

80-90s was heroin chic 00’s were diet culture

[@kayakat1869]

Irl, low-rise jeans aren't back. People are opting for more of a mid-rise look, but being a tiny bit below the bellybutton isn't "low-rise". I remember low-rise as seeing people's cracks all the time because it was so low. I think people are just wearing a more comfortable fit now. And high-rise is still in. Us young people just don't tuck our shirts in as much, so it creates a lower waisted silhouette.

[@fatjucvuv8337]

There also arent a lot of brands making real lowrise jeans

[@Catonjupiteryep]

Do you remember when the stretchy waist bands became popular so girls wouldn’t be showing their cracks off all the time in their low rise 😂

[@donttouchthefluff]

I much prefer a mid rise to a high rise pant. I don’t like the mom butt look 😂 if I wear low rise, I have to wear a long shirt cause it’s just gonna be booty everywhere, and no one needs to see all that 😅

[@anonymouse9833]

Right you couldn't get away from seeing everyone's whale tales or g-strings back then. Today's low rise aint that and I'm grateful lol

[@jd5368]

Eating disorders are a mental health issue that absolutely ruin people's lives. The way this woman talks about other women suffering from EDs is frankly hateful and offensive. I don't think most anorexics are "foaming at the mouth" and trying to "hang onto their crown with bloody frail fingers." There is no trophy for being deathly thin, my God.

[@notimportant123]

The pendulum never actually swung. Fat might have been in vogue in niche spaces on tik tok, but IRL nobody (minus a few radicals) has ever abandoned the ideal of being a normal weight. Kim K was the peak of the "curvy" trend and she was still fit. At most, we started telling overweight folks that they weren't fat I guess bc it became so common? But those people would still have preferred to be thinner.

[@shaylevene6754]

Agreed. Even with this curvy/bbl era we were in, it was still very much about being thin in the stomach area and having fat "in the right places"

[@notimportant123]

@@shaylevene6754 RIGHT. Ice Spice pre-ozempic was about as big as you could get and still be considered attractive.

[@LanaJoy78]

Ashley is very pretty. She is also very much plus-sized. She's a big woman, I used to be her size and even bigger and trust me, I was big.

[@ximar0ckstrx]

Agreed. The same for me as well.

[@deannabarnes3771]

True, that part.

[@annett.K706]

Size says nothing, you could be heavier than her!

[@bridaw8557]

Yes. Shes also bigger in areas not as correlated with morbidity, i.e., the stomach/waist.

[@Beaumiroir]

I was a teenager in the 90s and the obsession with being razor thin did SO MUCH damage to girls of my generation. To this day I have deep anxiety about gaining weight and I have this odd "blindness" when it comes to my own body (my weight has gone up and down about 25 lbs yet I still see it exactly the same, to the point that I have a hard time saying if a pair of pants would fit by just looking at it). So no, I really don't want the excessive skinniness of the past to be the trend again - especially now that social media takes trends to the extreme very quickly. That being said, I think the glorification of severe obesity that we've seen recently will be regarded as a damaging trend in the future as well. Both are unhealthy, and both cause long term damage.

[@fitfatty211]

@@Beaumiroir I was also a teenager in the 90s, and I agree. Back then, it had nothing to do with health or fitness, either - I think we all knew that being that skinny was unhealthy, but didn’t care - we just wanted to be as skinny as possible and (I know I) did some extreme weight loss tactics that did damage in the long run.

[@CaptainMera]

She's also talking from a very American perspective. As a Scandinavian, she's definitely a plus-size model.

[@theirmanager5204]

Thank you! Exactly, that’s what I was thinking. ‘Normal sized’ women? According whom?

[@hitfasthithard]

Ok. But plus size means different things based on country.

[@Lolacopacobanabella]

I'm in the U.S. and she would be considered plus size here. We have plenty obese people where I'm from. I guess some people will see it differently.

[@shaylevene6754]

As a Canadian she's definitely plus sized as well

[@RandomOldPerson]

I was a teacher in the US South back when schools started doing BMI measurements to let parents know their kids were obese or morbidly obese. People flipped out saying “all overweight people already know they are overweight!” I didn’t. I knew I was a little heavy but compared to most those around me but I was smaller than average. Turned out I was a couple of frozen burritos past morbid obesity. Not just per BMI by the way. That measurement system is an okay “go talk to your doctor” guideline but otherwise it’s garbage. Whenever I’d stand up and point out I was morbidly obese without fail someone say “well if you are I guess we all are.” Then I’d say “Yes! You are. Almost all of you are and you have no idea. So are your kids and we are getting very tired of students dying from diabetes and heart attacks because of their weight!” People bring up fears of under-eating type eating disorders with BMI measuring kids but after years of being a teacher including teaching at a psychiatric hospital I never met anyone who died from that kind of eating disorder or worked with anyone who had a kid die from it. And I had dozens of kids with those disorders. But multiple of my students died from obesity caused diabetes. When everyone in the family and extended family and most the neighborhood is twice the healthy weight before puberty they lose all perspective what is a normal size outside their bubble.

[@LeahBandB]

As a millennial, I've never said any of the things she says we're saying in my life 😂

[@ximar0ckstrx]

Im a millennial and I'm with you

[@stonedcyclist6392]

I just didn't appreciate how she phrases it, like she's blaming the people with eating disorders, like they are the ones who perpetuate this thin ideal. They are also victims of society and the beauty industry and most of the time an eating disorder is just a coping mechanism for a bigger issue

[@kellymeyer6057]

The language she used describing thin people and people with EDs was so gross and my 1st thought was "imagine she saw someone describe a fat person like that" she would lose her mind, ending her video with "be kind to each other" just had me rolling my eyes a bit

[@boosqueezy2418]

i mean, ashley graham is fat. she’s objectively overweight. to me, she is plus size-not someone who is 400 lbs. she looks good in lingerie, but many in FA don’t.

[@BloodQueenoftheDamned]

Tess holiday is beyond morbidly obese.

[@annabell714]

I wouldn't call her fat. Her BMI is 25.1, which is overweight but not fat. Just the actual definition of curvy.

[@lauramcguan]

I think the bar has been raised so much as how we perceive big bodies especially now 🤷‍♀️

[@JS-mg1mk]

​@@annabell714there is absolutely no way her BMI is 25. No freaking way in hell

[@helena4440]

​@@JS-mg1mk I could believe it if she is tall

[@A.l.a.c.]

Ashley Graham is stunning... and fat. She has fat on the "right places", beautiful body shape. But I'm sure she has a high % of fat and high BMI. Ppl are getting used to bigger bodies and getting more and more fat.

[@3brosinwinter781]

Yes 100% agree. I feel like I'll get torn apart for saying someone is fat that isn't huge, but people can be fat in all the right places and its more acceptable. People can be visually fat but still within a healthy weight range too, plenty of people have to much fat on them but arent iverweight or obese, butnthey have no muscle. I've been there myself!

[@emma2370]

Society has really lost sight on what a healthy body looks like. So many people who are accused of being too thin are really just a normal, healthy weight.

[@UncleMikeDrop]

Overeating is also disordered and FAR MORE people have died from it.

[@boosqueezy2418]

when America’s Next Top Model debuted their first “plus size” model, she was prob 130 lbs. the pendulum definitely swung too far when tess holliday was waddling down the runway. we shouldn’t normalize too thin OR too fat.

[@hippie1252]

130lbs is insane 😮 That's my weight and I wouldn't think to label myself that way. I know they've got some strict beauty standards but dang.

[@RatEatRat]

she gotta be like 4ft tall

[@camichiBichi]

We don't need to normalize anything, just accept different things exist

[@ezzylopez7286]

​@@hippie1252runway models are tall and very thin so that the clothes will fit and flow in a way that showcases the clothing

[@r12joy96]

​@@ezzylopez7286But they have health issues as well. Bella Hadid had a severe eating disorder and many health issues for being rail thin

[@TheClairei]

AG is not on the lower end of plus size, come on. What she does have is perfectly proportioned fat and an attractive, chiselled face. That's not the norm for most plus sized ppl. Also I hate this nonsense about taking GLP1 to lose 15lbs, reputable Drs won't prescribe it to the general population unless you're obese, not saying celebs or wealthy ppl can't get it, but that's not the norm.

[@gints2766]

Not to mention how goddamn smooth her skin is

[@royallunephoto]

Truly, I think the issue is being too chronically online. I seriously doubt the conversation of ED behaviors are being met with celebration in real life. I have yet to meet anyone (I’m 32) within a 7-10 year radius of me that isn’t actively trying to be more positive and neutral about their bodies. Focusing on gut health, eating “whole foods” and exercising is all I hear around me and it’s been so refreshing after going through the hell of the 90s/2000s. Is there ED rhetoric out there? Of course. It’ll never go away because as you mentioned, history is a circle and as humans we will always be chasing something new, our sizes and shapes included. But, I think compared to how things were, in REAL LIFE, most people are taking a more “in the middle” approach and I love to see it. I’ve always been a “skinny/petite” person who has struggled with my own demons when it comes to body size, but I have friends in every shape, size, gender identity, etc and truly I see so many of us making THE change to just accept and be the best versions of ourselves in general. If anything, I see the most “diet culture” rhetoric with my boomer/gen X family members. Women who are very thin and always have been, but most of their entire lives was insanely enveloped in diet culture, even beyond what millennials experienced so I think their generation has an even harder time evolving in that way. I’ll hear, sadly, so much negative self talk around the holidays, etc even though my family are insanely active people (I’m talking being in your 70s and doing 20 mile bike rides on the regular lol), they still say some problematic things that I kindly try to “correct” and they honestly have met me with a lot of vulnerablility and kindness in return regarding the subject of diet culture and even demonizing certain foods (don’t even get me started on the fat free bullshit they went through 😂). My point is, I think people see what they want to see. If you’re negative, you’ll see that everywhere, especially online. But, if you decide to look through a more positive and hopeful lens, you’ll see that most people are open to change, open to the conversation, and we can oftentimes have very productive conversations as long as we remain in a empathetic mindset. As they say, a sign of a healthy mind is a flexible mindset 🫶🏻

[@hyates9653]

She did NOT just say “we saw the dog whistles of the low waist pants” 😂😂😂😭

[@kaitlynesse]

Man I'm so glad I avoided the fat acceptance/HAES movement. I started weightlifting in 2016 after a divorce and lost 90lbs. I went from obese to now being a powerlifter. Life is so much better being conscience of your health!

[@lianamurray9915]

*conscious

[@DorisHeyyy-vc4rh]

I think it’s weird that the people so concerned about being unhealthy skinny are usually unhealthy fat and are oblivious to it.

[@Premium_jack]

The way she acts about millenials, as a gen Z, actively makes me hate her and find her annoying. It’s not that “millenials” are annoying, it’s that people who label themselves as “millenials” online are so annoying. They act like they’re the knowledge older generation, and with her specifically, it comes off as the most condescending thing. I watched and cared for someone who died from congestive heart failure, partially from her weight, and it will never not get me mad when they speak to all “gen z” like we’re stupid and immature children, when the oldest is 25 now. She acts like we’re all stupid to play into skin/fat divide but she’s playing into the generational divide bc her TikTok comments happened to be kids calling her annoying (shocker!)

[@EEsmalls]

It's crazy to me how uninclusive "body inclusivity" seems to be. Like, you have to be a certain level of fat to be accepted, or a certain level of skinny to be accepted. I feel like you can love yourself while still acknowledging that maybe you need to lose or gain weight to be healthy. The ideal body should be HEALTHY to the best of your abilities, whatever size that may be. It's a medical fact that being very skinny or very fat is not good for you.

[@Ginger8864]

The body positivity movement never stopped me from wanting to be skinny. Even when I technically was skinny it still never felt skinny enough. I don’t think body positivity really affected real life that much, it was just a social media thing.

[@missumbrella3135]

This lady's condescending tone is very off-putting.

[@Irishczech]

Ashley is plus size, which is just minimalizing a weight problem. A straight size is usually a healthy weight

[@fitfatty211]

Even straight sizes aren’t necessarily a healthy weight these days, thanks to vanity sizing. I’m a straight size - size 12 - and I’m about 25 lbs overweight.

[@Irishczech]

@fitfatty211 true. It doesn't help that sizes in terms of measurements vary from label to label. I'm usually a S. But I have stuff that is xs and medium. Men's sizing seems to be more straightforward

[@rockinrolldog]

Not even. I'm between an 8/10 these days and have 25 lbs left until I'm a healthy BMI. I'll likely be down another 2-3 sizes by that point.

[@Irishczech]

@@rockinrolldog Best wishes for your WL journey!😊

[@SkyeMelodyy]

I think it's weird for a movement that wants to just live their lives in their bodies, they spend a lot of time talking about other people's bodies. The average citizen just lives life, not giving two shits about the size of another person.

[@LeahBandB]

I think that's why I find all of this so interesting. It's like entering another dimension Lol Who on earth is this obsessed with other people's bodies??? It's bizarre!

[@SkyeMelodyy]

@LeahBandB Yes, this! It really is, like where am I. Are they hearing themselves? Haha.

[@LeahBandB]

@@SkyeMelodyy And then there's the surreal experience of hearing what fat people think thin people think of them or say about them. And I'm like, "Sis, I'm just trying to pay rent and touch grass!" hahaha God. What a world! 😂

[@eugunekrabs2597]

Exactly. There are some great things about body positivity, but it’s unfortunate that the overall message has been soured by what it has become today. I couldn’t care less about how someone else looks or what they choose to do with their body; it isn’t my place to critique them, but there are so many people attached to the bopo/FA movement that will critique anyone else’s size. A thin model? Boo. Someone who is perhaps average size and talking about their body rolls/stretch marks? Trying to be apart of something they’re not supposed to be in. A skinny person speaking about being body shamed? Not welcomed? Someone trying to lose weight? Betraying Bopo. There are shitty people of any size, but it is so hypocritical of a movement that stemmed from living your body regardless of any perceived flaws to nitpick on other peoples bodies

[@SkyeMelodyy]

@@LeahBandB 🤣 facts.

[@Nicana68]

Where is all this Ozempic being handed out like Candy? I'd like to lose 10 pounds but there's no way a doctor would ever prescribe it for me as I'm not obese. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@RatEatRat]

I've only heard of it being unnecessarily offered to celebrities. which, yeah, is bad but I don't think that's not a huge number of people sooo idk dude

[@JL-gw1qg]

It’s not! I’m overweight and trying to lose and I had to fight my insurance company for months to get wegovy because I don’t have like high blood pressure or pre diabetic / diabetic or anything else. Glp 1s you get covered / from a dr. Are a lot harder to get than people on TikTok want you to believe. They’re not just handing it out to people lol it’s silly

[@Lau3464l]

@@JL-gw1qg depends on your city. Some cities are notorious for easy access. Theres also a ton of ways to easily get it online, if you want to take that risk, which lots are.

[@hedaheda1609]

It is primarily a medication for diabetes, not for weight loss.

[@music42380]

maybe it’s medspas that are offering it for $500/month out of pocket. not people trying to get it through their primary doctor and insurance

[@ifeyhome]

Ashley Grahame has a 10/10 face and a plus size supermodel's body. Most thin women can't even compete with her.

[@ghillies4life]

When she tries to paint it as being obese is fighting the patriarchy because they want us "weak?" I had a little defensive moment. Let's just take my Saturday this week: I woke up, went and run a charity 5K pretty much in a whim (it was in our local park, good cause, why not? We signed up 4 days prior). After finishing the 5K, walked around the park with the kids and husband. Walked home, watered some plants, did some laundry. Tended my beehive, which includes lifting bee boxes. At this time of year, they're full up with honey going into the winter, so each box is about 80 lbs. Had to lift them off and on from about chest height. Went inside, played with kids. Walked to coach a special olympics swim team, swam some laps with them to motivate, walk back. Play outside with the kids. Then read and work on some stuff on the computer. Tidy up, the usual. Made meals in between. Sounds like I'm super weak. I'm sure all the superfats could do that day.

[@erlandaislund4594]

This "beeing obese is fighting patriarcjy" is so funny. I am pretty sure, that a big portion of that FA movement is driven by men with a fat f3t1sh. And i wonder, if those super obese womenare aware, who is watching and enjoying their videos, where they fim themself eating. Are they just blissfully ignorant or are they aware?

[@vlogo4371]

Millennial victim complex has her blaming literal teens for the choices of Millennial and gen X ad executives

[@ximar0ckstrx]

Please don't blame her personal victim hood on all millennials. She clearly has personal issues and needs to seek therapy.

[@poot-poot]

@@ximar0ckstrxI think you misunderstood their comment

[@eugunekrabs2597]

@@ximar0ckstrxThey weren’t, they were saying that a vast majority of the people influencing these trends are fellow millennials + gen x. While Gen z perpetuates these trends for sure, shifting the blame onto Gen z for something her generation is still partaking in is annoying.

[@danaegore3815]

I don’t think she realizes how done most people are with body positivity. I’m an older millennial, I have more in common with gen x, I’m tired of people telling me what to think. Seeing it as a pendulum is true. The truth is being too skinny is bad, being obese is bad. We should be eating mostly healthy food with the occasional junk food and being as active as possible. Medical conditions exist, but they are not to blame for 95% of the obese or super skinny problems, it’s eating too much and eating too little. Balance!

[@Zelda-w2b]

Curvy generally used to bring to mind a woman with a good bit of difference in the bust to waist measurement and waist to hip measurement, not someone thick, who has lost some of the hourglass curvature. Now it is not being used even for plus size models, such as Ashley, but instead for people like Tess.

[@Lolacopacobanabella]

I know, and that's wild.

[@Khs394]

Here is my thing. Love Ashley and her work and body positivity. But specifically, Victoria secret models are SUPPOSED TO BE UNATTAINABLE. like they are not a "standard" that's what always made the VS show exciting. you saw these bombshell models in these cool outfits with popular artists singing. As someone who has been through ED treatment and years of beating down on my body, people being angry that Ashley was considered "not fat enough" and saying "we need more diversity" are always reaching for sh*t. Victim mentality at its finest. you won't lose sleep that VS didn't include YOUR body type. Ashley killed it period.

[@lisa489]

You are so spot on with the whole "if you get lucky your body is the one that gets celebrated next". I had my late teens and now early twenties in a time of body positivity, and the 90s and early 00s didn't affect me bc I was either not born or just a little baby. And I'm built with broad hips and bigger thighs, which means I will never have the super slim, straight up and down figure even if I were to starve myself to underweight BMI. And I remember thinking how glad I am to be in a time where that isn't what's expected of me. I think I got lucky bc in my formative years I did get the message that I should be losing weight (and that brought me some issues too) but never to that crazy extent. And now I am old and reflected enough to be able to remove myself from these trends and realise what is possible for me and my body and I strive to be a healthy weight and fit ans curvy, and I know I'm happy there no matter which way the pendulum swings.

[@lexicon1016]

Serving Jesus realness w the hair I'm a fan

[@lindsjg313]

😂😂😂

[@sofiarestaino6537]

Buffed g sus

[@discordantduck1808]

Ashley Graham isn't "super plus size" but she's quite far from skinny and there's absolutely nothing wrong with acknowledging realities. Walking on eggshells all the time doesn't help people that need cold facts

[@moonlightstargem1006]

I have lost 13 lbs in a month or two! Weight loss is possible! Just eat healthier foods! & eat less too! Smaller portions & healthier options! I had: oat meal & greek yogurt for breakfast! Small portions! I put a little caramel & cream cheese in my strawberries and cream oat meal & i had vanilla greek yogurt. We have apples in the fridge. For lunch i plan on having either soup or a salad! Walks in between And quality sleep at night I went from 208 lbs to 195 lbs! I can’t believe it! I really lost weight! I plan to lose more! I struggled with binge eating disorder for many years. I’m just starting to fix my relationship with food

[@3brosinwinter781]

Your doing great! 🎉

[@RatEatRat]

that's awesome and something to be proud of. congratulations!!

[@emma2370]

Congratulations.

[@Oogieone]

I can’t even go into a Victoria Secret and buy a bra. And I am a size 18. Which is on the low end of plus size. Last time I went into one, just to buy underwear (I can fit in the largest size of those) the clerk informed me that they didn’t carry my size and to go across the mall to Torrid or Lane Bryant. It sucks because sometimes you want your underwear to match your bra…but oh well.

[@JYJnKumi]

I've always existed in that limbo of not thin enough for Victoria's Secret, but not heavy enough for Lane Bryant. I just want cute clothes, y'all. 😭

[@winglessfairy564]

Why tf would they say that to you that’s honestly rude 😭😭😭😭

[@RandomOldPerson]

@@winglessfairy564 There’s nothing rude about saying “we don’t carry this but those stores do.” There are rude ways to say it, but that in and of itself isn’t rude at all.

[@carwashgirl3541]

I love how you always try to give people the benefit of the doubt... And just how you try your best to have people see the truth instead of living in a delusion. Thank you!! ❤❤❤

[@boosqueezy2418]

“taking care of yourself” entails maintaining a healthy body. how does she not get that?!

[@kazzuo32]

Ashley Graham is a real plus size model she have always have campaigns and walk runways. Even with the lanebryant Cacique controversy (tv stations van the commercial because it was to sexy) she was a plus. Tess was a pinup model from IG that became mainstream. In the late 90's I was a plus size model and I was a size 9/10.

[@RandomOldPerson]

I always found that hilarious. VS show with no curves and “the ideal feminine body” is fine, but the LB show with what people called the fat and unattractive models was “too sexy” because their women curved where VS women were flat. So hypocritically strange.

[@kinokodawn]

13:46 miss ma'am is acting so altruistic when it really boils down to her not wanting bigger bodies to no longer be as accepted and normalized. she can play the "I'm worried for our youth" card but it's obvious it's all for herself

[@DadBodtoBadDad]

You should be working towards a healthy body for YOU! Love the message ❤

[@BloodQueenoftheDamned]

Victoria's secret fashion show used to be wonderful. And special. Now anyone can do it.

[@mette1983]

Exactly!

[@LinnieCat]

13:30 as millennial I feel embarrassed by her

[@rebekahtyler7406]

14:42 if she can list more than one person in her life who has DIED by starving themselves to death to be skinny I would be shocked. On the other hand, I can all but guarantee that at least one person in her life has severe medical complications due to obesity and/or has died because of those complications…

[@emma2370]

This is an important point. 300,000+ people in the USA die every year due to obesity related conditions. That is more than deaths from opioids and alcohol combined. Obviously, EDs are important to prevent but we have to be honest that a lot of people are suffering due to obesity.

[@Ether-the-great]

Amazing video as usual, but I never noticed how long hair suit John perfectly and I have no idea how because it looks amazing

[@livinonacloud]

It's funny to hear people who have never had any respect for their elders' life experiences and wisdom - and still don't broadly speaking - now saying to those younger than themselves, "Listen to us! We're your elders and we've seen some stuff! We know things you don't know." Before anyone comes for me, I know all millenials are not like this, but enough are to make this woman's comment absolutely hilarious.

[@emma2370]

The idea that anyone would call low raise jeans a “dog whistle” is ridiculous. People are allowed to like a style of pant without it being about other people. I don’t know how anyone could take her seriously after she said that.

[@DocInABox]

I grew up being told by so many girls they were eating paper and black coffee to be skinny, I was huge compared to them. Fast forward to a couple years ago, my health is in shambles and the sadness and meds combined had me eating myself 80lbs heavier. I have always had severe asthma and swelling. At the weight I was, I was basically speed running heart failure with my health problems. But I had ppl saying "youre beautiful, youre fine, dont listen to what people say youre healthy". I was not healthy. Now Im down 40 of those lbs and EVERY ad I get on every platform is for Ozempic. I dont want ppl to think Im against meds, but this stuff is getting pushed like its a tic tac

[@mayagarcia-hector2732]

LOL at her making it about millennials I’m sorry 😭

[@rebekahf7721]

Ugh, I am so over body policing from both sides.

[@MutantMessiah]

Meanwhile big food, pharma, and fashion are 😂😂😂😂 all the way to the 💰.

[@Miss_Wonderful1]

I love your common sense and that's why I watch your videos even if I'm not overweight. The fashion industry should never glorify ANY ED, not just that one that makes people super-skinny. But, of course, fashion brands are there to make money, and, according to the country they showcase their products, they will follow what the potential customers want, healthy or not.

[@spookyfish3792]

Its all about marketing and money. I've been plus sized and i was way more likely to want to buy clothes I saw on someone like Ashley than Tess or Jordan. Alot of us buy clothes based on what we want to look like.

[@cloakofshadows]

I would argue that the pandemic was the push for the return to thinness. It was a mass disabling event that had worse outcomes for morbidly obese people. 🤷‍♀️

[@dimplesmcgee3329]

This girl must not have watched the show....there were models that were bigger than Ashley Graham, it's just Ashley was the most well known plus size model that walked.

[@sorunx]

I think that's an important thing to talk about. The separation of hating the disease that is obesity and not the people suffering with it. I am hateful of obesity because it took my mother's life. I am hateful of it because I didn't do more to stop it, and now I live with a hole in my heart. I don't hate the people (most of them) that have obesity, I simply hate that many of them don't see it as what it is. An addiction and an early end to their lives.

[@Lost-in-Hades]

Calling low rise pants a dog whistle was pretty funny ngl.

[@mia1191]

She’s very dramatic 😭 I’m not American but I’m pretty I hear the average American women is between 12-18 so definitely bigger but not 24+. Then again like 30 years ago 12-18 wasn’t the average size. I think the models that VS used in the fashion show are representative. Ashley is fat but obviously some people are going to be bigger. There’s always going to be someone bigger/ smaller than any one given person.

[@LouieNJ]

Who are these people she is complaining about? The internet trolls that would have said something negative regardless? Why bother giving them attention in the first place? There is always going to be a subset of the internet looking to upset people, and people like this who allow themselves to be outraged by this other group continue to give these provocateurs attention.

[@yallthought8444]

Am I the only person who felt like for a little while companies were doing pretty well with starting to be more inclusive and then suddenly they started drawing back their sizes again and making them online one? Target shrunk their plus size section, Old Navy removed the sizes that they boasted about having in stores to online only, and the models disappeared too. Obviously corporate washing is a thing, I just think it's funny how short the stint actually was. I will also say companies like Torrid are not immune from it because for a long time (and still now) they would only show their clothes on certain types of plus size models where you couldn't get a great idea of what it might look like on you if you were plus size but didn't have a relatively flat stomach.

[@3brosinwinter781]

They go where the money is, if its not selling enough in stores then they won't continue to stock in. Supply and demand

[@Bunn.B]

Omg yes! It's like, "here's plus size clothing for ya big gals. But wait there's more! Every single one of our BBW models has undergone bbls, sculpting, lipo and tummy tucks, sooo good luck trying to find out how this clothing is going to look on your bigger belly, big arms and much thinner legs." 🙄

[@yallthought8444]

@@Bunn.B I used to think that was so goofy lmao I'm like most plus size women just don't look like that!!

[@Bunn.B]

@@yallthought8444 Absolute brainrot. Like even if the targeted customers are hourglass or pear shaped, they still have bellies sweetie. I also saw a concerning amount that were actually thin models photoshopped obese. It's like they're doing the absolute most to disappear or not acknowledge anyone that doesn't have very specific fat distribution and body proportions.

[@JYJnKumi]

Ashley Graham has my exact body type and I'm overweight. If you want REAL body positivity, you work on your body to make it where YOU like it. I'm down 40lbs and still have 26lbs to go. I'm starting to feel confident in how I look again. Granted, I'm a Millennial and grew up in the Heroin Chic era (yes, that was what it was called), so even when I wasn't overweight, I thought I was HUGE. I look back at high school photos and I was thin, I just had a butt, which was a big no no back then.

[@evabeveridge9651]

13:38 idk im 28 going on 29 i consider myself in the middle of the “generational gap” if you call it that. Even though it’s a ridiculous statement because I don’t think there’s a divide. I think people are just dividing themselves from each other. I feel like with some people if you don’t agree on every issue they do, then they don’t want anything to do with you. On top of that they think you’re a bigot too. It’s sad.

[@POV18]

Victoria's Secret: Wheelchair edition

[@thekidkazoo]

Man, all I’ve ever wanted is to not be discriminated against and be accepted at the size I’m at, while I learn to love myself and adopt a healthy lifestyle. It’s extremely damaging when you don’t love yourself at the size you’re at, because if you gain weight back, you’re going to hate yourself all over again. Simply because you have been conditioned to believe that if you’re a certain size, then you’re not worthy of even basic human kindness.

[@Angus-Johnson-8334]

There needs to be a average positivity/average acceptance industry. Use the averages for men and women at different levels and model after that. Makes no sense to me since that would align with the biggest demographic and largest amount of people.

[@dt3802]

So what is a 'normal' size now. Anything less then 200 or 300lbs? Where is the cut off?

[@RandomOldPerson]

10:09 I like my body aesthetically. That doesn’t mean I don’t also want to be healthier. The two are completely different things that don’t have to conflict. I can be fine with how I look and still want to be able to do more by carrying less weight. I’ve known several people on Ozympic and similar drugs. All did it because of health issues and feel far more insecure physically now than they did before losing the weight because they feel they no longer look like themselves. They hate it now but used to like how they looked.

[@mariecherrytree]

Where I live the average adult woman is like 53kg (117lbs) so yeah she is fat according to that average.

[@hejmonika1001]

Well I’m gen X, so I’m HER elder and I come from a land before the time of obesity and it’s preferable

[@gemmjw]

I think a big thing missing from the convo is maybe bigger is considered “normal sized” now, but that’s in America where most of our food is crap and we drive instead of walk in most cities and towns…

[@blondbraid7986]

This is why educating young kids and teens on history is so damn important. Secondly, young women have been trained by our culture to systematically ridicule women older than them (and thus being unable to truly learn from them) and young girls seriously need to be aware of this. Seriously, don't laugh off older "Karens", because if you don't take their histories seriously, you WILL end up just like them two decades later.

[@jayceecurran]

I had no idea who Ashley Graham was until now I have never paid attention to Victoria Secret or any fashion type things

[@ailsag7171]

the 'ideal body type' at any point in this is mostly driven by what is profitable at the time

[@chellefromhell]

Locks are looking h e a l t h y, sir 💅 ✨

[@ameliajeffs3277]

she's one of those people that think that the bigger the token plus size model is, the more inclusive the fashion show is when we really need to have people of all sizes ESPECIALLY average size. as a 'normal' sized woman myself its so frustrating to see only the extreme ends of the weight scale represented like super thin and obese are the only sizes that exist.

[@Suzyslly]

Love the hair John!

[@Anarchangel349]

14:37 It’s the 20 year trend cycle, but driven to the extreme by social media and post-pandemic wellness culture

[@ladybirdlee3058]

Ashley Graham is gorgeous and has a great body. Yes she is slightly overweight but she looks nice.

[@TheMari189]

It’s impossible to represent everybody, as someone who is really short and curvy I have never seen a model close to what I look like and I had to learn to love myself regardless of what body type is being celebrated in the media

[@hitfasthithard]

The word plus sized (in America) should change based on the new average size of the American woman. The woman on the left in the thumbnail IS the new normal size. The woman on the right should be called plus size.

[@natalielawyerchick]

I always thought Ashley Graham looked like a very pretty “average” woman. I’m not offended that she’s plus sized because that term is just a clothing description. She’s above standard sizing, and that’s ok. I just don’t see the controversy

[@Goonerette75]

I actually agree with practically everything this woman says in the video. The fashion industry for years has, impressed upon gullible people that being stick thin/looking like a stick insect is the way to be accepted. But at the same time, let's not be complacent. There's a difference between being a plus sized/curvy model and being Tess Holliday. Being the size of Tess should not be celebrated, as this does glorify dangerous morbid obesity.

[@hippie1252]

You can be a little hungry, it won't kill you. I promise. Loss of appetite is a good indication that there could be something going on with your health. If you regularly disregard your hunger and fullness cues, I would believe that can cause some issues for you later.

[@devilsandsuch]

the pendulum will continue to swing from binge eating disorders being in to restrictive eating disorders being in because in america food is the most accessible addiction

[@Mystic_Paths]

Self-acceptance is crucial, but it becomes complicated when discussing obesity and health. While it’s essential to promote body positivity and acceptance, it’s also important to recognize that obesity can be associated with various health risks

[@sueorosz8886]

Proud to walk for everybody? Or maybe money talks… it’s all proprietary if you ask me…. VS knows exactly what they are doing… marketing to what’s a trendy body size or movement… I’m way older than 30 so I remember the 80s VS models and still it was all about $$$$ back then, too. I’m turning 60 this year… why no old models? See? All about $$$$$ and to have one body represent everybody is not a thing. And yes John….. the body you want is the one you’ll work hard for. It’s amazing what your body can do and how strong you can get it… age is coming for you no matter what you thing is a standard or not

[@Irishczech]

Only about 1% of women are walkway model thin; ectomorph, sleeper muscles, flat boobs, 5'8" at a minimum. I hate the phrase "diet culture". I'm not plus sizes. I'm not built like a model. I'm average height and a healthy weight. Where do I belong? I don't do weight loss diets, eating is just a sustainable need

[@heistube9556]

I personally prefer to see models of a healthy size, maybe a little bit overweight like Ashley Graham or a little bit underweight , but not the unhealthy extremes of very obese or extremely underweight. The truth is I never see models that look anything like me anyway (I'm very short and petite, 5'1'' and 110 pounds, but also very curvy i.e.large bum), the models are always tall and have more even proportions. I have to try clothes on to see if they fit, and even then I often have to have them altered. What looks good on models often doesn't look good on me, over the years I've found which styles and brands work for me. The only time marketing seems to influence me is with sportswear, I see superfast athletes wearing certain shoes and clothes and am definitely encouraged to wear them too in the vain hope they will also help me to run faster 😂

[@kristenleesellers]

I really think us Millenials got so messed up by the early 2000s telling us that Britney Spears and Jessica Simpson were gross and fat when they so obviously were perfectly healthy. I truly don’t know what ‘normal’ is and I’ve felt just as gigantic at a size 6 as I did at a 16.