FATE OF THE WHITE SCARS! WHY THEY NEED JAGHATAI KHAN BACK NOW!

[@ivylt1274]

If the khan returned and ralied the WS and all their successors, this would definitely boost their morale ten fold. Even at a disadvantage, having the khan lead you into battle would not only be a sight to behold but also motivate you to fight for victory at all cost. I would have to agree. Jaghatai would most likely go for the head. Thats a fight Huron would lose and huron is probably smart enough to know this. It really does open an interesting storyline.

[@hansallen2708]

Unfortunately GW overlooks White Scars most of the time. Just like Jaghatai was the last Primarch ForgeWorld released, he will be the last Primarch GW brings back in 40K.

[@penguinhenrymd]

I hope you’re wrong, but I know you are right :(

[@Tacoguy1000]

Shame, he was among the more decent lot with Corvus and Vulkan.

[@chrisbennett6236]

That is actually unlikely at this point. The Space Wolves Stormseer looked to the future to see if Russ would be returning anytime soon. The answer was no, however he did see the return of Johnson, Jaghatai and Corvus. In that order. The Stormseer is one of if not the greatest precog in the Imperium. So much so that even Guilliman is already making preparations for those 3 Primarchs returns. Why not Vulkan, Dorn or Russ? Simply because there isn't any signs that any except Johnson, Jaghatai and Corvus will be returning. Hell we already know where Johnson is, we know the Scars went into the Webway to get Jaghatai and that Corvus is alive, has embraced his psychic gifts and is currently hunting and kicking the sh*t out of Lorgar in every dark corner of the Immaterium. They aren't leaving Jaghatai until last this time.

[@codycurtin2295]

@@chrisbennett6236 what books is the stormseer in?

[@Forbiddensirenz]

Breaks my damn heart. 😞 Honestly one of the most underrated Primarchs. Only one that had some basic common sense.

[@KaiserAfini]

I am glad to hear Huron Blackheart's star is ascendant, now there is a warrior worthy of being the warmaster of chaos. Great warrior, a masterful logistician, excellent strategist and highly adaptable. Hope he reaches the top of the pyramid.

[@Kristian.B.Kristiansen]

He won't. Even he acknowledge Abaddon's unassailable position of strength as it is. And Abaddon has only grown stronger for the past 10 millennia. The Black Legions resources and manpower rivals if not surpasses any Crusade-Era Legion in raw numbers (though not cohesion or unity).

[@KaiserAfini]

@@Kristian.B.Kristiansen So no internal villain war for control, very disappointing.

[@Kristian.B.Kristiansen]

@@KaiserAfini Those happened often in the beginning of The Black Legions rise, but as of current 40k Abaddon’s position is supreme. GW has said so in every Codex since 1996, but the fanbase has an irrational and meme-based dislike for Abaddon and often dream about his eminent demise and replacement. Nothing in Lore has ever indicated that such a thing was likely. On the contrary, the Warmaster’s wins and achievements have stacked up massively since 2014/16 but many fans downright refuse to change their (non-canonbased) opinions on Abaddon.

[@simetheticdevil4774]

Considering he is my favorite primarch (probably me and like 10 other people can say that), I would love to see him re concoure his home

[@davidma6616]

The 4500+ of us in the White Scars subreddit would beg to differ lol (we were only 700-something 2 years ago)

[@simetheticdevil4774]

@@davidma6616 Yay friends

[@novafox3244]

White scars biggest issue is the painting scheme otherwise I’d say they be 4-5 most played space marine legion

[@SirKanti1]

Jaghatai should come back next, Visit Terra, Sanguinius tomb, hang out the Route for a bit before saying "Well this has been a fun break" then he returns to the webway with the White Scars, Sisters, Knights, Custodes, Guard everyone he can in his crusade in the webway.

[@collin1719]

Forget the worn out trip-to-Terra storyline and you’ve got something

[@TechNinjaSigma]

The Khan vs Blackheart, The Greatest Hunt since the Scouring. Now that's something I'd like to see!

[@jaegerbomb269]

I want Corvus Corax back.

[@nothankyou9906]

I am Alfarius

[@alexandruilioiu5354]

Get back in the warp you fiend!

[@vulkan690]

Just listened to Soul Hunter series again

[@jaegerbomb269]

@@alexandruilioiu5354 I apologize for nothing!

[@davidthomas2870]

I feel like The Kahn returning would be one of the best primarchs to return. The Relentless pressure he can apply to an enemy would be invaluable. I feel Jagitai or Dorn would be the brothers Guilliman would find most useful to have back, although he would have some questions to answer to them. If the Lion comes back first, that will be good for the Imperium but not necessarily for Guilliman. Both the Kahn and the Pretorian would likely have an extremely stabilizing effect on the general situation, either by seizing the initiative and relentlessly pressuring chaos and anyone else who gets in the way or by digging in their heels and stymieing the enemy at every turn.

[@Forbiddensirenz]

I agree with most of what you said. But I’d have to disagree with Dorn. As unshakable and intolerant he is, him seeing he religious fervor the Imperium has fallen into, and then seeing Guilliman allowing it… I don’t think he’d be easy to sway and would go on a rampage over it. He is practical and might be able to calm down and see the bigger picture, but at the start and for a good while, things would not be good. The Lion I feel would be similar, but he’d more so want to do his own thing and kind of figure out his chapter and their successors. But he’d at least give Guilliman his chance to speak and explain himself. Probably just a “You’ve got 30 seconds to explain why this is okay or I’m kicking your ass.” Big brother type moment. And Guilliman will at least be able to convince him. The Khan would be one of the better brothers to come back though, yes. Or maybe worse since he could go down the route of “Ehhhh… This isn’t the imperium I “fought for.” Finger quotations, since his whole attitude was always kind of “Well dads a tyrant, but the forces of literal hell are far worse.” He might just gather his men and say peace ✌🏼and go off and do his own thing. Dads gone, imperium is trash and I never wanted anything to do with it. I’m gonna go do my own thing. Least those are my opinions haha. So many possibilities out there really.

[@davidthomas2870]

@@Forbiddensirenz that would be honestly pretty interesting if each returning primarch causes the Imperium to fracture, with each claiming to be the true successor state to the Imperium, while the true power of the very much still around Imperium steadily declines until it's a papal states situation, hemed all the way back into segmentum solar with each loyal primarch leading seperate splinter states that are still loyal to the Imperium or to humanity as a whole, but not each other.

[@atticus6572]

@@Forbiddensirenz Something to consider: Lion and Jaghatai were not particularly close to Guilliman in the past. I believe there's some lines from the Horus Heresy where the Avenging Son speaks condescendingly about the Khan. They would undoubtedly be a successful duo/trio if reunited, but on a personal level, it may be awkward. Also, we don't know how messed up Jaghatai's psyche is after all this. Primarchs are unparalleled in strength but can become mentally unstable. We'll see. However unlikely it may be, I wager Dorn would work best with Roboute in restoring the Imperium.

[@codybates2419]

The Khan and Dorn definitely gained a ton of lore and love on the Siege of Terra series. The khan is such an absolute force on the field.

[@dominusnox8231]

I look forward to the Khan more than the Lion.

[@josephjohnson5415]

I like to think that Jaghetai is slowly cleaning up the web way for his father. I think he would feel his son's could win with out him and not wish to eclipse their victory. However, he likely would be very concerned by the first invasion, if he knows about it.

[@chrisbennett6236]

Jaghatai always had great faith in his sons. We see this during the Siege of Terra and during Magnus' trial when he allowed his chief librarian to speak on his behalf.

[@josephjohnson5415]

@@chrisbennett6236 thats what I got too. If any primarch feels safe leaving his soldiers on their own it's him. But if he hears of his home being attacked, I think he'd look into how bad it's gotten and of he needed to step in.

[@fmbrown8566]

Another thing that would strengthen the return of jaghatai is the astartes he left with, veteran white scars that fought with jaghatai himself, and even more, the fleet he had with him when he went into the webway. But that completely depends on what happened to jaghatai and the whites that entered the webway, maybe the DE captured him, guess we won’t know for a while

[@EastlakeRasta7]

I was thinking he'd probably raid some dark eldar technology particularly webway technology to help maybe the throne or something?

[@lukekelly4091]

I really do hope he does return because he's my favorite primarch and his legion and now chapter is my favourtte faction but I fear that like his forgeworld model he mite be the last primarch we'll see return

[@vontheunknown7982]

If the white scars Primarch does come back he would most likely focus on helping his planet he was was raise on with many others in his system, but what do you guys think?

[@timothylyons5686]

There's always a chance that one of the demon Primarch's, particularly Mortarion would turn up to get revenge for his ' death' at the hands of the Khan during the heresy knowing there's no Malcador to save him.

[@licensed_beheader]

Khan probably got his powers too like corax as hinted by that wolf priest(dont remember his name)

[@chadtiefenauer1232]

Morty is banished. So not anytime soon

[@ghostrydergames]

@@licensed_beheader did he hint what kind of powers it would be?

[@timothylyons5686]

@@licensed_beheader doubt it, Corax is in the Eye of Terror, the Khan is in the webway.

[@timothylyons5686]

@@chadtiefenauer1232 Morty wasn't banished, Papa Nurgle pulled his leash and dragged him back for having disobeyed his orders to help Typhus.

[@lsynno]

In theory Khan could pop out from the webway almost anywhere. But it's pretty much up to Chegorach when he gets deployed.

[@Timasion]

I want the Khan to come back just so that I can see some Chaos leader yell "KHAAAAAANNNNN!!!!"

[@Kristian.B.Kristiansen]

That Blackstone Fortress was mentioned in Huron's new novel. It is still in his possession, but the ways to fully active and command its terribly power is unknown to him and his forces. He knows that Abaddon has those "launch-codes" but refuses to ask the Warmaster for them, as he doesn't want to be in deeper debt with Abaddon.

[@johnnyscifi]

Huron is just an Astarte, and the Khan a primarch. Conflict wouldn't last long...but would be fascinating

[@Marlons420]

I agree with you and think it would be a great time to bring him back...and without some huge, major, jinkery by some writers, the white scars have NO way out without The Great Khan.

[@kccustodes2618]

Nice video! This was a really obscure view of the 40k universe but makes complete sense.

[@doominator4072]

I don’t know about you but I would love to see a chaos civil war between Abadon and Blackheart, all the while the rest of the traitor primarchs are like “ we ain’t intervening because we are primarchs and they are just tryhards”

[@daniellandon6811]

Nah. He's too busy racing and becoming the Speed Force

[@AlternicityBlogspot]

Correct me if I'm wrong: the last time in Canon we saw JK was when he was getting cut up by Mortarion

[@mycommentpwnz]

I HOPE HOPE HOPE Khan will come-back with an alliance (or maybe somehow indebted) to segments of the Eldar. (Perhaps something similar to how the Harlequin try to guide & befriend Fabius Bile.) If you think about it.... If the Eldar WERE going to befriend, save, or attempt to reason with a Primarch, it MAKES SENSE they'd choose the Khan For, the Khan viewed truth as being SYNONYMOUS with duty. Every other Loyalist Primarch valued AMBITION, DUTY, or even BLIND LOYALTY more than TRUTH. The Khan was, truly, the only one who didn't give a SHIT about anything except truth. This is pointed out in the books, REPEATEDLY. In a way, it's his defining characteristic. This is why Khan despised the Imperial (Lie) Truth. It was, frankly, an assault on his integrity. And, rightly so. This is ALSO why he is a "wanderer" by nature. When you can't indulge in deceit, or self-delusion, it's a lot EASIER, and less of a hassle, to get through life by avoiding people. This is why he speaks his mind, even if it's rude or unseemly. This is why he doesn't have emotional reactions or attachments to things like "glory" or "legacy." One thing I've learned in MY LIFE, real life, is most people use self-deceit and delusion as a shield. And, for a period of time, it works very well for them. But, that shield becomes their PRISON. If you hide behind lies and self-deceit this will prevent individual growth. Truth is a MUCH better shield, but, it's just MUCH HEAVIER TO CARRY.

[@Kantstop01]

Love your videos!! When you are explaining the location of systems, a map would be awesome. I love maps.

[@chucklytell]

Everybody talks up what an awesome guy Huron is but my stance is dont get too attached, when the Khan returns he is a dead man for the crime of ever setting foot on Chogoris, let alone his torture of Jubal Khan. Big bad Huron will run crying to Abaddon to protect him from the scary Primarch if he even gets the chance to see him coming LOL, and the next time he visits Chogoris will be when they plant his skull on the path to the monastery

[@SeaBass215AM]

Huron never ran to Abbadon in the first place. Blackheart will one day lead the Black Legion himself.

[@chrisbennett6236]

@@SeaBass215AM They meant that once Jaghatai is back. That Blackheart keeps running from even fights or any fight he doesn't have a significant advantage in, yes he's a coward by both definition and morality.

[@SeaBass215AM]

@@chrisbennett6236 He's not a coward, he's careful because his body is just barely fit to sustain his life, glued together by hate. He's going to evolve, his plot armor is very very strong lol.

[@atticus6572]

@@SeaBass215AM I think "running" is a critical asset to Chaos. They can retreat with impunity most of the time; always on the offence without having to worry much about defence. The Imperium, however, always has to be mindful of the defence and struggles to put on aggression.

[@timothylyons5686]

Sounds like Perturabo and the lron Warriors who left the attack on holy Terra when they saw what the invasion had become.

[@iansalsbery3918]

Don’t forget that when he captured Guilliman he also get a gloriana class battleship.

[@DragonuFear]

Personally I feel leaning on a loyalist primarch return is usually hoping for an ex machina of an even higher degree than usual that gets pulled out for people. As much as I enjoy the thought of getting more loyalist primarchs back to even the number available between imperium and chaos, I would bet on it being more realistic to see reinforcements called upon for aid, or something else coming up to draw Blackheart's attention away from the sector. There's also the possibility of a defeat and the loss of the homeworld, something I feel the white scars could survive if all hope was lost thanks to their mobile style of warfare.

[@edwardaugustus9680]

Hot take: But the Khan would have been the best choice for first loyalist primarch returned purely because he'd change the Imperium the least and would focus on finding the others so he doesn't have to be a tyrant.

[@tokoyonokuni4656]

The main problem I have with 40K 9th edition is that the Primarchs and Chapter Master appear wholly incompetent crunch-wise as commanders. A 6" Aura ? +1 Command Point per turn, maybe ? With all the ressources and authority of Imperium Nihilus, Dante gets +1 Command Point, which allows him to, what, hands out 1 Relic from his Chapter Arsenal's upon which he has absolute authority and control ? And 3 Points for Guilliman ? "Yeah, mate, it's called Balance." Balance in what ? If we calculated the cost in points of a Chapter, it would raise to, say, between 30 or 40 thousand points... Now, imagine vying for the favour of getting 3 relics among As for Huron, exact same problem. Chapter Master isn't supposed to be a line warrior or sub-officer rank, it's a General rank. So why does it give a special favour to a single unit in a range of 6" ? What if he needs the job to be done 200km away from his current position ? Can the Tyrant of Badab manage all of these renegades joining his Corsairs ? Nope. It's not a baby-sitting job.

[@wereshem-ankh9063]

Khan and Corax together be amazing. Shadow and blade!

[@glyngreen538]

Primaris Jetbike models could help too? Say Cawl invented them or found the STC down the back of a sofa or something? I would like to see the Khan return though. The Scars are one of my favourite chapters after reading Chris Wraights 30k novels about them.

[@jamesknight6468]

Huron, unlike Abaddon is actually a decent and well built character who deserves his own chaos shenanigans.

[@Kristian.B.Kristiansen]

Small correction: they are both what you said only Huron is.

[@chrisbennett6236]

Right now the Imperium of Man needs any of it's greatest warriors it can get Jaghatai's performance at the Siege of Terra should have removed any doubt in the fans minds as to whether he can be counted amongst the greatest of the Primarchs. Plus we know that every Primarch has psyker abilities. Corvus has finally embraced his Shadow abilities and he is devastatingly powerful now. He embodies being killed by your own shadow. Jaghatai has always had the ability to control the elements. Particularly the over wind, thunder, lightning, and water. Essentially an elemental shaman. They haven't revealed what Johnson has yet. I do not believe he will be in the top group but he should have interesting abilities all the same. Originally the order was: Magnus Sanguinis Jaghatai Kurze Lorgar And no one else really using any. Now the order is: Magnus Lorgar Jaghatai Corvus Fulgrim Sanguinis and Kurze being dead no longer apply. Horus, Alpharius and Ferrus died never revealing their gifts. As for the rest it does look like GW had finally decided to reveal their gifts as we see Corvus and Lorgar finally showing theirs but Guilliman hasn't as of yet, suggesting that he's probably on the lower end of the scale.

[@eichler721]

I would love to see a Khan return as him and the Lion make the most sense. However GW doesn't give him the credit he deserves unless Chris Wraight writes him.

[@GreatChickenGod]

i would like to see jaghatai come back over lion'el. not only do the white scars need some serious help, but the imperium as a whole need to be able to put an offensive to not only the ruinous powers, but also the various xenos threats across the galaxy, and who better to lead that offensive than the warhawk?

[@mlpsh6995]

Honestly I really hope GW bring all the Primarchs back except for Horus, Sanguinius. I really want Dorn back.

[@sonnyb7612]

Does anybody remember the champion for the White Scars during the heresy? I remember he actually (was one of the few) beat sigismund but does anybody know of any vids on yt about him or anything I could look up?

[@tjorgensen8760]

Can you imagine the Warhawk and the great wolf united in wrath

[@CptFoolKillah]

Crazy to think Huron Blackheart only exist due to the idiocy of the High Lord's of Terra and the Inquisition. I don't care if that's blasphemy, it's the truth!

[@Anni3sgotagun]

Y’all hate the Alpha Legion yet they are known for busting legions with minimal effort

[@graemealkins9138]

I think its awsome huron went from back water 2nd ed chaos codex character into some what of major player

[@Mark-cj3ws]

I guess we'll never know if the ultramarines found the Khan in the Webway......R.I.P. ALFABUSA

[@Scythwolf]

The Khan hunting- the slark of 40k.

[@vishishify]

If Jaghatak Khan returned I'd become an unapologetic Imperium fanboy

[@vonkug]

Since the campaign, from GW, is basically in stasis until we get an update, no, The Khan will not return. There are no stakes in a battle that will not see the light of day.

[@ryusabusa5625]

Long live The Khan and White Scars!! Bring him back!!✊️✊️✊️ and give them hell!!

[@mattybbg6850]

YES!!!

[@darthkai3621]

Sounds like Huron actually cares For his marines. He falled back once the demons poofed

[@atticus6572]

Do I want the Khan to return? Yes. Would it make sense? Probably not. Chasing Dark Eldar into the Webway is almost certainly death, even for Jaghatai. Every Chapter needs its primarch back at this point.

[@justanotheranonymous4381]

I thought Jaghatai was lost in the webway. Was he found? Did he return?

[@BDminipaints]

Hell come back with a large release of aeldar or Dark aeldar which will happen….eventually

[@Mark-cj3ws]

Rowboat girlyman kills failbadon the harmless and lugft Huron takes his place as war master or war Tyrant of chaos 😍

[@RatchildUK]

For the Khan and the Emperor!

[@H_Eli]

He should come out of the webway at the head of a drukari biker korde

[@cdablacksmithingandmore5357]

No disrespect to the Khan but his eldest brother, first born of the Primarchs, is a hunter of warp-spawned monstrosities and was raised in the forests of the death world Caliban. He led a crusade upon his homeworld to rid the planet of its great beasts, and united the disparate factions as their father did upon Holy Terra.

[@Swarzyc]

For the Khan! For Warhawk! Talaskar!

[@jasonbeatty831]

I haven't played a game of 40k in at least ten years, but I try to keep up with the lore, does anyone think that another loyalist Primarch will actually make a comeback?

[@novafox3244]

I think every 5-10 years they could bring 1 back

[@DesignsByVector]

Well if big J K returned all dem successors will be yettting with him

[@tmhunt73]

Where is jaghatai located?

[@Dogue83]

Eldar Webway, on a one man quest for revenge againts the Dark Eldar.

[@tmhunt73]

I was hoping there had been a change, love the khan!

[@weakpenguen2024]

FOR THE KHAN

[@ovidiulazar8647]

Wait, we know where he is located??

[@forgefatherjo1436]

White scras whoot whoot

[@jino861]

give me back jaghatai allready :)

[@OEFarredondo]

Jaghatai is back come home! Mantis Warriors need not apply lol.

[@padrelupus]

I think the khan is dead. I know there's the is he alie thing at the end of Warhawk, but "no one outside might know" and 'the gift was shared freely" that's his primark gift besides his mind spirit slaying including cut intangible. I say this because the real khan died and the Mongol empire lied about it for over a year. Also the demon is the incarnation of the world's experience of chinggus khan, the Warhawk has the soul of timojin As for saving the white scars. The Tammur the lame analog can do the job

[@HistoLabRat]

I have to say that Huron Blackheart is by far a better villain than Abaddon. He is a skilled general and strategic planner. As opposed to the mustache twirling villain that Abaddon is.

[@Dogue83]

Thats true but the traitor legion veterans of the long war would never tolerate a warmaster from loyalist gene stock, the old Astral Claws were from Ultramarine/Dark Angels hybrid stock, the Word Bearers would never accept them.

[@sardonicspartan9343]

Comment for the comment god

[@benives254]

Eh? Where is he?!

[@JB-mb1ro]

I think, at this rate, Warhammer will be dead as a franchise before The Kahn comes back.

[@unpaintedarmy]

He aint coming back. He's been digging out some dark eldar bush for the past ten thousand years.

[@trevorking2820]

😂

[@massivedamagegaming9004]

Second!

[@Dogue83]

I really dont like Primarchs coming back, they are supposed to be legendary god like figures, having them in the 40k cheapens their presence. Huron is a badass and a solid warmaster contender but no way he could stand up to Jagathai Khan unless they resort to nerfing the Khan, that would be lame asf

[@Matihood1]

You pronouncing Huron's name as "Hyuron" is giving me weird feelings.

[@jonathanfitzpatrick5435]

How do you pronounce Lake Huron?

[@Matihood1]

@@jonathanfitzpatrick5435 "Hooron". No "yu" in there. It sounds silly.

[@OljeiKhan]

Is there an actual reason why you speak EXXXXXXXXXXTREMELY slow? x1.25 is the only way i can listen to your content sadly.

[@mensrea1974]

Most of the chapters need their Primarchs right now. For whatever reason GW decided that between 30k and 40k every chapter would become ridiculously dumb. You've got werewolves, space vampires, conspiracy theorists... Can't wait for the Lion to show up. DA are going to be like, we have this secret and the Lion is going to be like, and? How much fucking time have you wasted on this over the last 10,000 years?

[@albertor.6635]

If khan came back he would visit his planet and see what the drukari did to the present khan and go right back to war in the webway for more vengeance lol