Regarding the F-16 and F/A-18 flight models, C.W. Lemoine is a real-world fighter pilot who has a popular YoutTube channel. He flew the F-16 for more than 1,000 hours including a combat tour in Iraq. He then transferred from active duty in the Air Force to the Navy Reserves where he flew the F/A-18 Hornet. I’m sure he has a lot of hours in both fighters doing mock dog fights, so he knows how both of these aircraft fly when doing BFM and ACM. C.W. flies the Hornet and the Viper in DCS and sometimes he does charity KZbin broadcasts of DCS dogfights against other real-world fighter pilots. In his videos, Lemoine constantly rails on the DCS flight models for both the F/A-18 and F-16, specifically in terms of their BFM/ACM flight dynamics. He says the F-16 and F/A-18 in DCS are don’t accelerate fast enough, lose too much speed when performing maneuvers, don’t turn fast enough, and don’t pull enough G’s. Every time I’ve watched one of his dog fighting videos against other real World pilots, who flew either then F-16 or F/A-18, they always concur with C.W. in regards to the DCS flight models for the F-16 and F/A-18 being undercooked.
@aeroRCmodels3 жыл бұрын
The Perfect bathroom video me thinks
@TripRodriguez3 жыл бұрын
On the aerobatic planes, please note that there IS a good reason for these aircraft being in DCS in my opinion. DCS does aerobatics FAR better than any other sim IMO, so for those who are interested in that type of flying DCS really should be the go-to simulator, as odd as that is. MSFS 2020 has terrible flight models so far! For flying "outside the envelope" nothing beats DCS. I favor combat stuff most of the time, but when I just want to fly a flight sim for aerobatics or a helicopter DCS is my sim despite that it has nothing to do with combat. I constantly recommend DCS Yak-52 to flight sim pilots who have no interest in combat just for how good the flight model feels when you throw it around.
@quackgarage95512 жыл бұрын
I second that. Bought the YAK-52 exactly for that reason.
@Kruemel983 жыл бұрын
The Skyhawk is also in a payed modul level, I think it deserve a Place in the Tier List.
@f15active3 жыл бұрын
These tier list videos are pretty long. I'm hoping you can provide a tier list of your tier list videos at some point so I can prioritise which content I must consume.
@shady_TTV3 жыл бұрын
Huge injustice for Su-25t, its easy to pickup for beginners, has outstanding laser guided missile and SEAD loadout or rockets, can take a lot of punishment and yes, its free. In my book, its S tier, although I am spoiled by high fidelity modules. I also feel like J-11A should be A tier, putting it in same tier with SU-27 is an oversight because its Fox3 capable, carries the R77 missile. On the REDFOR only it and MiG-29S have em. JF-17 is ok where it is, its a poor man's F-16 I guess, what sets it apart from F-16 are the cruise missiles, but that alone is not enough to push it tier higher, lot more stuff needs modeling. Big respect for Deka Ironworks and their commitment, Jeff is in almost every patch notes, without the hype around it.
@Jabbers3 жыл бұрын
I think you missed the "Favorite" keyword in the title, none of the rankings really determine whether the module is a good or bad module, just that it's our favorite
@shady_TTV3 жыл бұрын
@@Jabbers Oh no, I was not commenting on your personal favorites, you made those clear for example with JF-17, but rather as a general observation of the community votes and experience with less flown modules. Anyway, very cool episode, keep it up :)
@kynanledee50893 жыл бұрын
Personally not much of a war bird guy but if I had to try one it would definitely be the p47 just because it’s so ‘murican
@kontiuka3 жыл бұрын
Love the C-101. Glad it didn't end up in the trash tier.
@TrickerDCS3 жыл бұрын
You don't S Tier enough Russian planes
@Jabbers3 жыл бұрын
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
@AncalimeNL3 жыл бұрын
These tier videos are very nice!! Keep them going
@sjolson683 жыл бұрын
I'm biased as I was on a carrier with Hornets for almost 4 years - gotta be S tier. Viper is also S tier - once it's as complete as the Hornet. :)
@Jabbers3 жыл бұрын
Ya we said the list is temporal, everything ranked based on when it was made
@sjolson683 жыл бұрын
@@Jabbers Of course. Just poking fun as both modules will be the peak mulitroles for years, in my opinion. :)
@flightsimstuff54173 жыл бұрын
Good times! Lifetime subscriber now ;)
@CallsignJoNay3 жыл бұрын
I love the Tomcat but I feel the sound is average at best. Every time I fly the ED modules Hornet and Viper I'm blown away by the sound. I would not put the F-14 in S tier quite yet.
@GER-Thorgs3 жыл бұрын
Nice, a long video to watch while I try to finally win my warhammer 2 total war campaign.
@blenderalien2 жыл бұрын
How would you rate the F16 today?
@Jabbers2 жыл бұрын
Way better, still a lot missing systemswise
@-sharko-11843 жыл бұрын
J-11A in S-Tier ?! you wanna say a Coin Plane with no systems modeling makes it into S-Tier ? well its a beast mode plane too , totaly Op & used frequently in the competetive scene & increase the gayce factor in blueflag by salty nerds. none of the flankers are supposed to be in S-Tier . yayayayayayayyaya____wait for it___REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
@29orion13 жыл бұрын
I think you nailed it on your list. Your S list contains all of my favorites and the aircraft I would recommend to those that don't have them. I would put the MiG21 at the top of the A list and is also a must have. I spend most of my time in the UH-1, P47, F5 and F14.
@Jabbers3 жыл бұрын
I agree with the MiG-21, but these saps I did the list with are losers and didn't see it my way.
@ericandi3 жыл бұрын
In the U.S. if a military helicopter shot a bunch of reporters with missiles, I will give the pilot a medal.
@Jabbers3 жыл бұрын
You need to seek help, that's some dark shit
@ashtonmountford49 Жыл бұрын
2023 tier list soon?
@Jabbers Жыл бұрын
Maybe, I haven't bought many of the new modules.... So hard for me to say
@AncalimeNL3 жыл бұрын
Perhaps a most comprehensive Tub Tier List of modules you regretted buying the most. S=you regret it intensely, Trash is you don't regret it at all
@Jabbers3 жыл бұрын
Inverse current list?
@AncalimeNL3 жыл бұрын
@@Jabbers true, but it'd be nice to hear you guys talk about it
@-nixwite-3 жыл бұрын
Holy jabbers, that’s the longest video I’ve seen from you
@Jabbers3 жыл бұрын
Well it's ez when it's really just a video of my stream... 😂
@-nixwite-3 жыл бұрын
Ohhhh it was a stream… why am I not subbed
@Cooper_0133 жыл бұрын
unable to accept discord invite
@Jabbers3 жыл бұрын
discord.gg/ZnkvumS
@oppotato54403 жыл бұрын
For the F-16 I EASILY put it in TRASH tier, the F-16 in its current state is a disgrace to the F-16. It is SO incomplete, missing pretty much everything, the radar is way over performing, its just missing litterly everything. The flight model is pretty shit, damage model is pretty shit, datalink is completely barebones. Its just not good in its current state.
@Jabbers3 жыл бұрын
And Yet it's insanely popular, just imagine if it were finished.
@oppotato54403 жыл бұрын
@@Jabbers Im the opinion of, if you dont know whats wrong with it, you'll potentially enjoy it alot. But for me, i get frustrated immensely at how wrong it is. If you dont know whats wrong then that issue doesnt really matter for you, its just a A/A king.
@oppotato54403 жыл бұрын
Its kinda like Jak over at hoggit, he is a huge hornet nerd and the F/A-18C is a disappointment for him because of how wrong alot of things are, most of the community doesnt realise the things that are wrong, are actually wrong so they enjoy the aircraft at face value, which is great that they enjoy it.
@Jabbers3 жыл бұрын
I know what's wrong and still enjoy it in its current state.. Wish it was more Complete but Its still my goto atm
@sailyourface3 жыл бұрын
I was there at the end for the C-list shenanigans those cowards never did come out in chat
@robertrossi93643 жыл бұрын
Mig-21 for life
@roundabout29263 жыл бұрын
Something something shitty about that plane or this plane..... You're welcome... :p In all seriousness, it was fun going through the rating.
@Ohgr8193 жыл бұрын
Polyflop is gonna report this hahahahhah
@MikeSmith-xp6fw3 жыл бұрын
lol at a half finished viper getting a high ranking
@pixy67_3 жыл бұрын
unsubbed, reported, and banned
@Jabbers3 жыл бұрын
No you're banned for not agreeing
@ChickentNug3 жыл бұрын
@@Jabbers im banning you both
@pixy67_3 жыл бұрын
@@Jabbers :,(
@pixy67_3 жыл бұрын
@@ChickentNug not if i ban you first ;)
@ChickentNug3 жыл бұрын
@@pixy67_ rude behavior
@gioepyon53703 жыл бұрын
The quality of this channel has gone way down.
@Jabbers3 жыл бұрын
Next tier list. Favorite KZbin Viewers... I think I know where I'm putting you. :)=
@gioepyon53703 жыл бұрын
@@Jabbers I mean, looking at your past history of list, you would put me in the wrong one anyways!
@Jabbers3 жыл бұрын
Hah fair point, fuck! Sorry for the lack of "quality", time is a challenge for the kind of videos I use to do... So now I post what I find fun and interesting... probably a change of direction for the channel but this isn't a job, just a hobby, I don't really care where it goes. I'm not looking to be a KZbin sensation, never was, just do what is fun and that's enough for me.