Federal Prison Vs Club Fed: What will PRISON be like for Elizabeth Holmes?

[@FrankSiler]

I practiced defense law for years, and I appreciate your thorough thoughts. The one thing I would say is that the impact of her actions go beyond those of a common thief- she also put potentially millions of people at risk of getting misleading test results through the shoddy product Theranos delivered. The impact of that is hard to overstate.

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

You are absolutely correct. If the government gets their conviction, part of the reason they will argue for a longer prison term is because of the points you just made. Thank you for watching and for contributing to our community.

[@PungiFungi]

A mother nearly terminated her pregnancy...some people were told they were HIV positive when they were not. Imagine if that information was given to the WRONG person? There could've been a frigging suicide. It goes BEYOND just fraud.

[@Williamb612]

Yes sir…however she will say she was misled by Sunny and the lab director…she had no idea that inside the Edison there was a squirrel on a hamster wheel

[@Williamb612]

@The Contemplator Indeed she knew she will say, however that was her alter ego which split from her ego in order to protect her from the pain Sunny instilled through a decade of psychological abuse…they will call this victim hood amnesia Her legal team are highly paid and will come up with this bat shit stuff, hoping a jury will scratch their heads and say could be (only America)

[@jayneweaver8695]

THANK YOU!

[@lancecharen8295]

The only thing Federal Prison and country clubs have in common is their exclusive membership

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

Great line and so true!!

[@mga2899]

..and often the same members.

[@sampompeo9747]

Great insights and value as always. Love these thoughts only you and your team can share. Well done.

[@SelfLoveU]

So true! United States vs. Your Name is very daunting!

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

Daunting is a good word!

[@beachbum1523]

I know as part of her defense her attorneys planning to argue that she was suffering from abuse by former Theranos COO and president Ramesh “Sunny” Balwani. I'm at a loss to understand how they think that a jury will buy that.

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

You may be right. That is just one of her three defenses. I cover all three of her defenses in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d5imfGNof5mAi8U

[@joeunterberger2231]

Excellent analysis!!

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

Thank you!

[@lorim.1528]

As always, a very thorough and thoughtful analysis! I have to admit that when I first heard about this case, I was leaning toward her innocence. I can be incredibly naive at times and wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt. You know, something like - she didn't mean to defraud anyone, she just really, really wanted her machine to work at some point. But with each passing day, it's looking worse and worse for Ms. Holmes. I hope she can take the advice you offer in this video, should she find herself heading to prison. P.s. one thing I didn't believe for a minute was that pathetic attempt to blame Mr. Balwani for abuse and control. Pfffhh. 🧐🙄

[@JohnSmith-eo5sp]

I hope she is listening to this man's advice about prison as well. The horrors that could happen even in a minimum security prison! If Holmes had shown contrition early on I would sympathize with her.

[@seattlejayde]

Happy Holidays my friend. Always enjoy your videos and the perspective they offer.

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

Happy holidays! Thank you as always!! See you in 2022...

[@marsie3265]

I love your gentle voice and humble manner

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

You are kind. Thank you so much for your compliments. Happy Holidays.

[@jengelbrecht6660]

It was the Federal Prison at Elgin AFB in FL. I lived there in the late 1980’s, saw the prisoners running on the trail around the base. I also took college classes in the evenings 95% of the students were people of all walks of life - the other five came from the federal prison. Elizabeth has zero remorse so she needs to get locked up for a long time & at a place that will knock her snobby attitude down.

[@kurtmiller8773]

Love the video very informative

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

Thank you!

[@olixz]

I always think does the desire for someone to really suffer for their crimes damage society as much as the criminals.

[@juliearcand2358]

Very interesting. I think white collar criminals should have the same conditions and consequences as any other prison.

[@JohnSmith-eo5sp]

They are nonviolent offenders

[@Eddie-ud4bb]

​@@JohnSmith-eo5sp Not really.. they've committed crimes & maybe the consequences of those crimes actually trickled down & hurt people. So. No. Equal justice

[@robirezaul]

I would love to listen to him now in 2021.

[@bearmerica6668]

It is 2021

[@terryKessler42719]

I don’t think she ever thought she would go to prison. She was above that sort of thing. Only other people went to prison. According to her, she did nothing wrong. It was the fault of others.

[@DaRyteJuan]

It might not have even mattered to someone like Holmes. Charles Ponzi was imprisoned for at least two years before masterminding the scheme that bears his name.

[@jayneweaver8695]

The most offensive is the deflection of any blame whatsoever to others while she accumulated billions, received incredible media aggrandizement which she basked in without any thought for the people receiving HER companies treatment which amounted to little more than the effectiveness of a 5th grade science project. Not one spec of remorse for others that were completely in a vulnerable position, health predicament, her hubris is appalling

[@CherrrrBear]

Love your videos and your positivity !

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

Thank you so much.

[@WRCWPLX]

Her arrogance is such that, when she was advised to be more cautious on the claims of the so called "EDISON" machines because of the possibility of facing criminal charges, her response was, "I'm too beautiful to go to prison...". Do we need to know more about her? Preposterous!!

[@TubeHeiress]

Did she really? A pretty pompous attitude and to actually say it out loud. Lordy!

[@Williamb612]

plus, she was even deluded by her “supposed” beauty…I see her as confidently strange with a hint of creepy…always looks as if someone is goosing her from behind

[@JohnSmith-eo5sp]

She never said that

[@xqt39a]

Prison should be designed for rehabilitation not punishment, the results would be better for society at large. No one can truly judge any other person but sometimes people need to be restrained which the jury decides.

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

Excellent points. Totally agree.

[@JohnSmith-eo5sp]

Maximum Security Prison is for punishment. There is little chance of rehabilitating career criminals.

[@zenscout]

While on the stand, Ms. Holmes did state her partner dictated even how she ate...then her lawyer asked her if he dictated what she told the investors & client Walgreens...she's said "No". I'm torn between strategic fine line or possible 'mask slippage'. There will be many messages from this case. There were many people unnecessarily damaged by false health readings...some life or death. I do understand Ms. Holmes may be innocent of knowledge to the detailed workings of her company, and then I remember the many interviews with live audience. Trial doesn't seem to be her friend. Hope she views your videos with the same vigor as she raised billions. Thank You for your time and due diligence.

[@artfan3118]

Yes this is exactly what I was thinking too!

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

Smart minds think alike!

[@jacquelinem2873]

I visited Coleman women’s federal prison and looked like a country club. I expected her to come to visiting room with a tennis racket and skirt. No fence. Looked like a college dorms. Then I saw basketball, tennis, baseball, and track fields. They have beds separated by cubical walls, an extensive commissary, and she tells me food is decent.

[@yourinnerlawyer4035]

In a college dorm you have privacy and freedom. A ROOM with a door that has a lock on it and a key that you can put in your pocket and leave. If you think a low security prison looks like a college dorm I'd be afraid to ask where you went to school lol.

[@jacquelinem2873]

@@yourinnerlawyer4035 I was visiting someone. Obviously I looked from the outside of the buildings, I have never been inside. And your school was? You missed I “visited”. 🤣 go on satellite and see yourself.

[@Williamb612]

Elizabeth will sell a new way of compressing mashed potatoes into pellets which later can be expanded in inmates cells with a drop of water and automatically heat up. She will sell these in advance for forgoing toilet duty, and will call them the Potato Nano.

[@DaRyteJuan]

Great channel. You are a spiritual warrior. And despite the conviction that people earn themselves, you see a path of redemption for them. Of course, probably only a minority of those convicted will actually choose that pat, but at least you offer a way.

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

Thank you so much!

[@michaelspoto8720]

she really messed up by not accepting the plea deal. i would be so upset going into prison knowing that i could have only had a fraction of the time i do now.

[@thatguy7085]

Proof of Innocents doesn’t mean you are not guilty… Yea, a federal judge actually said that.

[@Eddie-ud4bb]

True. OJ... Trump

[@tcwaterdrill]

I have drove by one located in the panhandle of Florida many times. Sure looked like it had a golf course from the road. Looked like Little houses on the grounds, no double row of electric fences, no gaurd towers. I am sure there will not be anyone there doing 6 weeks for stealing food to eat. Maybe the My Pillow guy will send her a couple for free to help make the stay better.

[@juuliq6]

It's very strange to me that people are openly saying they want her to "suffer" - what she did was wrong, but her suffering isn't going to change that one way or the other. If anything, we should hope that she has an awakening of consciousness and understands that the reason why she is in prison is not only because she defrauded investors, but because she lived in a self-maintained delusion that she could not or would not let go of... It will be a huge shock to her, because she's been quite patriotic, even optimistic about the side of America that she has known -- until now. She'll understand that she isn't in any way 'above' other people, but will she fundamentally change her core beliefs? I'll leave that to the psychologists...

[@phoebevanderhorst7760]

Federal time tends to be easier than State time. It really depends upon where you are housed.

[@gringopaul3423]

I have a question. How many people who enter ANY prison come out contrite and humble? What percentage of people "learn their lesson"? My uninformed guess is 3 to 5%. Can you confirm or correct me?

[@thatguy7085]

You were in a club fed… not a ‘federal prison’. When you go to a federal penitentiary then you can tell me all about prison.

[@sjhbartlet]

Do you think the trial judge suggested a camp in Texas as opposed to California as a form of punishment for her not accepting responsibility?

[@raffaelesilletti156]

Not completely agree that a person if innocent must plee guilty just because the counterpart is united states of America. That's quite scary for a democratic country.

[@ThePositivewave]

Question : I heard that there is a limit in phone minutes that a prisoner can have, but is there a limited amount of letters that a prisoner can write?

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

There is no limit.

[@Williamb612]

However whether phone or letter, everything is read and monitored…best way to communicate is though smoke signals 💨

[@sundayweiss2779]

The money aspect is common criminality but putting human lives at risk is or could have been deadly

[@siglandoe3913]

What are the benefits of an Alford Plea?

[@brucesmith1544]

"Intention" is actually a key element in proving a fraud case...so it definitely matters.

[@dimplesd8931]

I’m wondering if her husband will stick with her for 8-11yr s? He’s 9-10 years younger. I think he’s 29? That’s a long time for a young man who’s just become a adult. The kids will be close to teenagers and will have been raised day too day by their father and his family, so she’s screwed regardless what prison she goes to

[@custer2449]

My money is on a mistrial - either by running out of jurors or because of silly women on the jury who will sympathize with her.

[@custer2449]

@CreativeHandle Hardly. One woman juror admitted sympathy for Holmes.

[@iyamwhite3931]

Her sentencing will be 1 hour no Starbucks Park at outer Perimeter of shopping mall for one day 15 minutes no cell phone A black who eats one BRACH'S Neapolitan coconut candy out the bulk bin at Safeway gets life in prison. Sing it John Cougar! "Aaaaaaain't that AmeriKKKa for you and me? I forgot the rest,can i get my 50 bucks now? I need cigarettes, a Rock*Star drink,and 5 in my gas tank."

[@zitrandy]

Her and the other top brass at that company should do hard time at the regular prison.

[@internetpolification]

She

[@sinebar]

Yeah if I were going to commit a crime I'd make darn sure it would be a white collar crime.

[@asafaust8869]

You are right. If she was on trial for running a house of prostitution or dealing drugs she would not have a chance.

[@sundayweiss2779]

Yikes, violent murders and rapists and human traffickers and drug cartels should not be housed in humanely or ever be unsupervised in a community they offended in. Some criminals are not rehabilitation material and should never be turned loose on the streets again. At some point loss of freedoms is the most inhumane punishment and catching and releasing unsupervised violent offenders isn’t humane, and punishment won’t fix them.

[@DS40764]

Is prison better than a jail (jail is rough). Some people say it is.

[@chemcjm8]

15-20 years at a medium security.

[@JohnSmith-eo5sp]

17 to 20 years minimum security prison

[@JohnSmith-eo5sp]

1:28 Since when is three months equal several months? 5:44 Class Warfare animus has taken over this country

[@sidecar7714]

I love how Americans think cruel punishment is good.

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

Not all Americans.

[@sidecar7714]

@@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial Supermax? Corporate accountability for prison assaults? Skewed application of capital punishment? 100 plus year sentences for non-violent crime? In WW2 we fought Germans, all of them. I do understand what you mean, however…

[@JohnSmith-eo5sp]

Cruelty is a point of view!

[@michaelmullin3744]

You need to explain that everything is done by the inmates

[@michaelmullin3744]

Make sure the hacks don't know your name

[@robbinperers8526]

I would like to know the vested/monetary gain bilked from earnest victims with the stress and future plans destroyed of those victims. I would like to know the homicide rates, suicide rates, family breakups, foreclosure rates, the overall medical and health issues associated with the victims to say she and others were nonviolent offenders. There are different ways to brandish a firearm and there are different techniques to use force for abuse of others. If we as a society say, ok, you as a victim knowingly went into this to better your own life and that off your family then there is procured violence in curing polio or any other disease. So where would it stop when society creates this windfall for the scammer to get rich and bilk those who actually have the funding support to cure diseases or fight debilitative circumstances? Do we say the American Heart Association, Cancer Research, diabetes Foundation or a host of blood born diseases are all defunct therefore our hospitals and pharmaceuticals are all broke because of "no more i vesting at all?" Because of people like elizabeth holmes? Where is the societal break-point for funding? On her? Bernie M.? Or a thousand others talking a good scheme? Break her. Break a thousand others like her. I assert what she did is not non-violent. The ramifications of her zeal "to go after it at all costs be damned" is far reaching within several communities of society. The depth and magnitude no doctor can rehabilitate, no hospital can fund. Yes. Club Fed needs to be re-thought.

[@oriole9815]

I really like that your video series on Theranos explains what can happen if she is convicted. I haven't found content like this elsewhere that describes what will actually happen and where she will be sent. Thank you for sharing your insight!

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

You’re very welcome! And welcome to our community. So happy to have you here!

[@larryking2697]

Very Guilty!!! 20 years minimum for stealing ONE BILLION DOLLARS!!!! Somebody else will raise that baby. I'm sure she stuffed away a lot of money in overseas accounts. Probably in Pakistan. Much of the world is generally lawless when it comes to hiding money.

[@ruthnoronha8206]

Yes exactly so what was the point? She should suffer. Honestly how many people who couldn’t have quality counsel got hard and unfair punishments… so many Americans esp black are serving severe time for crimes that don’t match the time.

[@scarletharlot69]

Special Housing Unit sounds much better than The Hole.

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

True but they are the same.

[@scarletharlot69]

@@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial aye, no matter how much they try to 'sex it up'

[@scarletharlot69]

@@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial I understand here in Old England it's called 'going to the blocks' or 'the blocks'

[@dgv646]

Wait, "the Government doesn't care about intentions"? Isn't that the whole and only point of the trial, to demonstrate intent beyond reasonable doubt? Unless it is meant that, in order to achieve the first goal of indictment, the Govt. initially doesn't care about intentions, and only later during trial it is when they will make sure to prove intent. Am I getting this right? If so, that seems very, very wrong and unethical. It seems the order of operations is so unjust. I mean, in this and probably most cases one can immediately tell that she is guilty of something, but in general, it seems the process fails to recognize the humanity of the defendant and focuses more on getting the job done. I must be missing something; I am sure the philosophy of the point I am trying to make has been argued extensively and settled too. It's probably just my ignorance of the law so I would very much appreciate some light. This channel is great, by the way! Keep it up!

[@yourinnerlawyer4035]

Intention is a CRUCIAL component of criminal charges, but doesn't mean they "care".

[@philipchung9492]

She's a liar from day one.

[@Krystaldoll282]

I’ve only made it through part of your video. I have not finished it yet. A lot of people want to see people who commit crimes punished with no special treatments because they are celebs or high profile/rich people. That does not mean we want them to suffer. We want equality given to the rich and famous for the crimes they are convicted of. So don’t represent everyone who wants equality given to criminals as people who want them to suffer more because of who they are. Then you said the people who should be .... are the victims and investors. Those people represent all of us!! Just like if someone is taped or murdered many people are outraged with that crime that may not be the actual victim. Many are upset with criminals whether they are the actual victim of the crime or not. Ugh 🤦🏻‍♀️. You don’t have to be the victim of the crime to be upset with the crime. Geeze!!

[@victoriagraham6470]

Hard time is deserved

[@thatguy7085]

Depending on the years for her fraud… camp is likely out.

[@thomasnickerson9258]

There is a reason why she went to trial, because she is a narcissist and thinks she is so smart that she can explain her way out. When being investigated by the Federal government there are two paths, tell them everything or tell them nothing. If you think you are going to try to tell a story but try to paint yourself being innocent that it was the other person, as Ms. Holmes is asserting she is going to lose and face 20 years.

[@tonycap49]

“Steal a little and they throw you in jail, steal a lot and they make you king.”

[@internetpolification]

Kyle Rittenhouse did very well then

[@juhyokang2571]

Okay ✌ ok ✋

[@johnadams2063]

Hahaha !!! As if what she did doesn't hurt alot of people. Man get real she was out stealing and and!! Disrupting all kinds of lives and systems. Jesus man stop

[@johnadams2063]

Dude stop saying theres a penalty for going to trial!! No there is not. They give u huge deals for not going. All u prison guys say that. No no no. They give u a deal for NOT going to trial. Stop lying. And yes u are

[@pete6705]

I don’t get what you’re saying, it sounds like you’re completely contradicting yourself

[@johnadams2063]

@@pete6705 ok listing up andi listen close pilgrim. The guy said.and many guys says this. That if you take a case to trial then they will just hammer u. Hammer you because you watered there time going to trial or even more so because u had the nerve to say you are innocent or what ever.they call it a trial tax and its completely unfair and should be illegal and all. Like the idiot in this video. Bit the truth is exactly this. They will always offer u a deal to not go to trial. Why? Because it's a huge pain in there ass holes and a very very timely and expensive one. So instead they will beg u to just admit your guilty and they will do some crazy stuff for u.like literally cut your sentence in half!!!! Or even better maybe only make u do probation or just a tenth of your time.. so theres no penalty for going to trial you just dont get the benefits of making a deal. U go to trial and because your guilty as hell and they have a truck load of evidence then they give you what the sentence guidelines say u get. They cant help it. So there not punishing you you are forcing them to give u the sentence for the crime u commited!!! They cant have a jury find u guilty in a federal court or a state court and then say.well we like u u get probation .. its simple.there not taxing u there following guidelines they have to fallow by law. But before if you admit it they will reward you big time by cutting your sentence in half or better. This guy us saying oh they can do it any time there just mad if you go to trial and make them prove it. And he admitted he was guilty!!!! The guy is a low life who still wants people to think he only made a mistake and it was only stealing from people who had it comming.. het a life he new God damn good and well he was a thief

[@matthewmitchell8941]

First thing she MUST DO is quit the fake deep voice. She will get the shit kicked out of her if she tries that with cons.

[@Williamb612]

She will be confined to her home on house arrest like Martha Stewart unfortunately…white blonde privilege ensures that. Let’s also be reminded that her amazing core talent is NOT chemistry, but rather selling stuff that does not exist…this was one of the greatest frauds ever…and what makes her unique is she did it in plain daylight, literally lifted the wallets of investors everywhere based on a non viable concept …. the Feds must convict her and give her a relatively harsh sentence, this is not just about Elizabeth, but rather all those that might consider doing the same After her 5 year at home sentence she will go on Dancing with Stars

[@sundayweiss2779]

Gods commandment tells us he is the final judge, and that vengeance is his, this is a blessing to humanity since Jesus demonstrates that he who is without sin can cast the first stone. We are all but the blessed Virgin Mary born with our parents original sin. So, God will judge those born in original sin, by the way we treat the least among us. That includes death row inmates. Loss of freedom in humane conditions with no possibility of supervision or housing specifically for violent offenses and crimes against humanity will ever do. If you ask victims of violent offenders they pray God, these people are not released again to harm people, and that torturing the violent offerings means civil living humans buy into violent or inhumane punishment that is properly reserved for God. Forgiving evil doesn’t mean forgetting it just means humanely housings for violent people,... so that the victims that sent them to death row are their last on earth. And the victims are not just the abused but the whole earth suffers when a blind eye is turned to evil.

[@JohnSmith-eo5sp]

Sounds preachy

[@sylvesterwoodest5358]

who cares how hard it will be. Not me

[@pete6705]

Everyone but you cares