Fedora Kinoite

[@antoniostorcke]

A very , very good walkthrough. Someone throw money at this man.

[@momomaniac1234]

🤣

[@santiagogonzalez6338]

I thought they named Kinoite because of the Japanese word, since the translation would be "there is a tree", a reference to the tree in rpm-ostree, and because it's a KDE spin, so it obviously needs to have a K in it.

[@eflinux]

It might be both.

[@雀-t6c]

kinoite isn’t proper Japanese btw. If you checked it in google translate, that’s probably what it spat out at you after trying to parse gibberish.

[@diegonayalazo]

Thanks for your great content.

[@NormanF62]

You have to radically change your expectations to an immutable system because everything is locked down. You can’t even theme it or change it to make it your own. That’s not what power users expect. They want to customise everything and make a vanilla os completely unique. The constraints of Fedora Kinoite means you have to work within it the way its set up and in a read-only system where you can’t mess around with the underlying parts of the system like you can do on Fedora Workstation. You can only do work on it and that limitation won’t make power users happy though ordinary folks likely won’t mind the fact this is a super stable system.

[@juliuco_nikel]

eres un máquina , you are the machine

[@zish3655]

This is absolutely amazing, thanks Ermanno for these very informative videos!!

[@-r-3542]

Its good to see a new edition of fedora, i personally dont use kde but is really good..

[@momomaniac1234]

thank you Sir i learned so much from this video 😃

[@FatalError-q2n]

Guys can anyone tell me if rpm are available in Discover store? Or they can only be installed via rpm-ostree command?

[@burcakb1]

Fedora 35 is slated for release on Nov 2. From what I understand Kinoite will also be released at the same time. Also, what perfect timing!!! I was thinking of going either F35 KDE or trying out Kinoite on Nov 2 !!! Definitely trying out Kinoite now

[@eflinux]

Strange because from the Twitter feed it seems to be the release date is November 12, or maybe that's just the release party.

[@burcakb1]

@@eflinux Yup, Fedora 35 is out. So is Kinoite 35. Interestingly, Silverblue is still on 34.

[@eflinux]

Silverblue is now at 35 :)

[@lsatenstein]

Hi EF. I have private repositories (/Development, /share, /scratch1 .... With Kinoite, is the procedure the same? Add the mount point in / and then add the entries (UUID=....) to the etc/fstab. Is there actually a /etc/fstab.?

[@JahidulIslam]

Anything inside /etc is mutable. So you should be good. /opt is also mutable and symlink to /var/opt. Hence, you can install chrome and Davinci Resolve in Fedora Silverblue or kionite.

[@DanielTolentino42]

@@JahidulIslam extracting the tarball? I only know to install flatpaks and rpm layers rn

[@JahidulIslam]

@@DanielTolentino42 I installed Davinci Resolve Studio in Silverblue. I had to install one rpm package manually. I also had to edit .desktop file of resolve(specially exec line) Normally Resolve is installed inside /opt. Silverblue has /var/opt. I edited that part. I copied those .desktop files in ~/.local/share/applications (similar to /usr/share/applications) and edited accordingly. I am far from PC. Otherwise, I could show you the edited part.

[@dragonek_gnu_linux_pl]

cool video. This is good for devops, virtualization etc :)

[@Klatsch_Batsch]

Thx... it's very nice

[@theKIB]

Thank you for the great presentation of Kionite. To me it sounds very similar to openSUSE's microOS :)

[@NormanF62]

They’re the same based on a rolling release. OpeSUSE has come out with a transactional system that runs on the stable LEAP. This is being touted as the future of computing going forward but I think few people want a completely locked down system. Human nature is such people don’t like to be told they can’t change anything. That’s what an immutable os is up against so its going to be very hard for those pushing that goes so much against ingrained habits which you have to change the face of a system that will be forever the same when you update it. Can it find acceptance? That remains to be seen.

[@neuzen]

what is atomic update?

[@Nozomi89AceGaymer]

I mean, could we just install KDE on Fedora Silverblue instead of creating another spin?

[@eflinux]

Seeing how packages are layered into the image, I doubt it.

[@JahidulIslam]

You can with rpm-ostree. But it will be just like workstations. If you rebase to Silverblue (Gnome) this kionite (KDE) will be separated from gnome. But flatpak will work on both image. You can safely delete gnome or KDE without any residue left. Another great thing about this approach is that, I can rebase to CentOS 8 (if someone made with GUI) image and use those same flatpak packages there.

[@antoniostorcke]

@@eflinux All of KDE is not available as flatpak yet.

[@Laland2k]

How do I put the nVidia driver on it?

[@HarshYadav-yi7tv]

Walha! Linux has just gone fabulous 👌 I mean stability was the big issue and the fact that things were not structured well but Now Silver and Kiniote has took it far...

[@NormanF62]

Far more than people being accustomed to being in control of everything they could want. Fedora Kinoite is where you are forced to relinquish that measure of control which is disconcerting to people who want an os where they have the freedom to literally transform it into what they want it to be. That’s not possible here and the word immutable means exactly that and as a daily driver to be productive, I would say its suitable but not if you picture an os that’s more traditional in nature.

[@ewon]

I tired Kinoite on a laptop with Intel UHD graphics with 4K monitor running at 1.5x scale, results is still not good… the only DE that I have personally tried that supports this setup well is Gnome

[@eflinux]

Thanks for sharing that.

[@hilarryhenry831]

nice

[@ps5hasnogames55]

everything about fedora is the pinnacle of what sucks about linux. systemd is slow, bloated, and insecure, pipewire broke so many workflows and no one even asked for it (it was only created to serve red hat's desire to push flatpak and wayland on people), wayland sucks it's incomplete (no ability to turn off vsync despite being promised years ago) and no desktop fully works on it (not even gnome, which has that infamous cursor lag when you're heavily using i/o, if the session crashes it doesn't cleanly restart instead it just boots you back to the login screen and kills all your open applications, qt apps have visual glitches e.g. no shadows, etc, all bugs only on gnome's wayland session), the rpm package format sucks (there's a reason red hat are trying to replace it with flatpak but flatpak is hot garbage too), the dnf package manager sucks (it's slow as hell but then again it seems all rpm package managers are slow, opensuse's zypper is garbage too), and gnome might as well be owned by red hat since everything gnome just so happens to start requring all happen to be red hat projects like systemd, wayland, pipewire, and flatpak.

[@eflinux]

I'm guessing RH is not your favorite company :) Jokes aside, thanks for sharing your opinion. Let me know what you like instead.

[@battlebuddy4517]

Do you also go around saying "M$ is bad, Linux is good me hates m$"