Fender's New Amp Modeler Is Garbage

The Fender Tone Master Pro is not good.
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[@notonyourlife7939]

As it is with creating pleasing guitar tones in a studio by micing traditional amps, dialing in ANY modeler is a bit of an art. I wasn't terribly impressed with the tones I've heard here either... but I've also seen other demos of this device, and the tones were quite good (Pete Thorn comes to mind). That tells me that like so many other things in life, it's garbage in/garbage out...

[@milankotevski1663]

I don't believe anything coming from Pete Thorn's channel. He's the king of gear shills. With all the post processing he's doing, I'd rather watch paint dry.

[@notonyourlife7939]

@@milankotevski1663 Then may your youtube feed be filled with a limitless supply of recalcitrant tone snobs just like this guy, determined to crap all over gear that doesn't provide instant gratification right out of the box...either because they don't really know how to use it, or they just can't be bothered putting the time in. Peace!

[@vexedpixels]

@@notonyourlife7939interesting response to that lmao

[@taroistok8751]

@@milankotevski1663 so basicly you just prove that you are trash that knows nothing about audio engeneeriung studpif fuck... yes all gear need post processing.... even a full tube amp will go into a console.. mic pre... compressor... e.q etc... that is litereally how record are made... so your point is retarded. really no wonder you like this amateurish channel ... probably a retard metal playr that think he is a musician like the trash owner of this retard fuck channel sound like i was doing at 10 years old after 4 years of guuitar... lol

[@garretfox7807]

lol stfu shill. no one is buying ur dumb low-iq shit @@notonyourlife7939

[@Lamarro]

i was very disappointed it didnt come with a fender headstock ... how do they justify the extra 1000 bucks for this unit

[@linkhatchet]

Don’t know what you’re hearing but the Fender Tone Master Pro is great. Just got mine last week and been messing with it every day. The presets is straight forward and the UI on this thing is easy and fluid.

[@bibelgaming4524]

Fender Master pro IS for me thé best modeler l ever had.way better than quad cortex or Helix that I sold...no need to tweak hours to get an organic tone

[@keithbuck8252]

I agree buddy I love mine , this review it very poor

[@matthewearl9824]

I don't agree. Not for the money. Fractal FM9 is worth.

[@DaveMcCall]

My impression is that the TMP is designed for gigging musicians (especially in cover bands that cover many bands/styles). It's purpose-built to go from preset to preset seamlessly (the preset spillover is super slick) through a long setlist... and you can have multiple set lists in there. The software and interface is perfectly set up for that application. I can see how it might be a bit clunky in other applications, but all those things can be fixed in firmware updates.

[@brownmoney27]

Doesn't sound great. When you invest a lot in a product you want to believe it was worth it. Blind tests are ideal

[@toesexe5880]

Am I the only one that thinks it sounds fine? Like at least in this demo it seems decent. Not saying it’s worth that money at all but I don’t think it’s like terrible sounding

[@sixstringtv1]

Never said it sounds terrible. It sounds literally just *fine*. That's the problem though, fine is 300€ territory, not 1800

[@Kaiju007]

What a load of croc! Just cause you don’t know how to use it, doesn’t mean it is garbage! Garbage in - garbage out!

[@mburtondavis]

The price tag is insane. Like , in my mind this should be $999, and I feel like fender is alienating their fan base with their price.

[@MashaT22]

It should be less than half that lol. 😂😂😂

[@mburtondavis]

@@MashaT22 you’re right it should be a lot cheaper. I don’t think I saw one positive review this when it came out. But I wouldn’t buy one no matter how much of sale they had.

[@MichaelD8393]

@@MashaT22No kidding. You can find a number of used Helix units for under a grand all day everyday. Fender shot themself in the foot by pricing the Tone Master the way they did.

[@sauce_aux]

Totally agree

[@Bogeyman19Was4BraindeadPeople]

Whatever

[@BrundonC]

Your playing is so clean. Quite impressive for the length of time you've played man!

[@jamesfindice2871]

How long has he been playing?

[@MaTTheWish]

​@@jamesfindice28717 months as of yesterday

[@JesseNeckred]

Just wanted to say your playing is always excellent, and this is coming from a 37 year old jaded guitarist.

[@sixstringtv1]

🫡🫡

[@eddiejr540]

You young guys have such a great grasp on the tech stuff…it took me till the end of the vid to realize “ui” meant user interface…ahh, getting old sucks!!!!

[@sixstringtv1]

Even I feel this way with a lot of stuff 15 year olds are into hahah, that out-of-touch-gap gets smaller over time

[@MichaelD8393]

As outrageous as the price is, my jaw dropped at 3:50. Shame the Tone Master does master most tones only to be priced out of 95% of player’s budgets.

[@eddiejr540]

I bought a used Yamaha THR 10x for 300 bucks and I think it was money well spent…it sounds fantastic for the bedroom…does the VH sound and heavy stuff really well👍

[@herbcanter2114]

The X model sounds better than the new THR's .

[@NFGU89]

I grew up and live in Corona, CA. I am a fender fan boi. But if it wasn't for my roots...idk how much love I'd have these days. It's like being in an abusive relationship.

[@kiezersosay49]

I agree. Even usa fenders are cookie-cutter now. They'll source out bodies and necks to other companies(American at least), but it's almost like an American import. If you want a guitar entirely made by Fender then custom shops are the best bet imo... or just go Warmoth which is what I did!

[@NFGU89]

I will say, They do a great job with Jackson idgaf what anyone thinks. I like shredder guitars and i think they keep it tasteful and i"m happy with how they've been keeping Jackson Relevant. The Brandon Ellis Signature alone will keep me Loyal.@@kiezersosay49

[@highdollaslimjim1509]

It sounds like a floor pedal Mustang GTX with maybe a slight overall mid scoop to sound bigger and a ridiculous price tag.

[@Keplerf-vn2ld]

A response (pathetic) from fender ; "All of these comparison videos have been created using the same method. They are sending the amp models into the same 3rd party IR and this is a totally valid test.We (Fender) have already stated that (for now) this will yield less authentic results than using our factory IRs. We are already working on (and were long before these videos were posted) implementing more capabilities into our 3rd party IR block that will enable the desired results. This will also have a positive outcome when using external IRs and/or a SS power amp driving a real cabinet.Today (12/3) is literally the 2nd month post-launch for TM Pro. We have a long roadmap of updates planned that include not only new features and models but also tweaks to current features that were in the product on launch day.We (Fender) really appreciate the engagement and feedback we’ve gotten thus far and are excited to implement some of the suggestions. The best part about all products like this is the ability for continuous improvement that enhances the playing experience on all platforms. We’re excited to have you all be a part of that process.Jason S. - Product Director, Fender Amps" so Jason is saying the engineering depth knew this pos was broken at launch. Perfect init?

[@sixstringtv1]

Jesus lmao

[@JoseRamos-bx2ud]

To: Fender, Would an 'ol fender m80 with a 4/12 cab from the 80's help? Cuz I got one? Shoot even the mustang gtx 50 has really really good tones so I'm not sure why this person says it's garbage cuz I have to whole heartedly disagree.

[@pauln6803]

Gibson legal team just sent a cease and desist for your repeated use of the word "Authentic".

[@craigthorneycroft5382]

I’d love you to do the same video with a HX stomp, straight out the box with their presets. I’ve had both pedals and the HX stomp presets are unusable. I know you’re obviously hung up on how much this pedal is but you should have sat down for 20 minutes and made your own preset to see what the pedal has to offer. It may be a bit overpriced for what it is but the workflow is so intuitive once you get working on it. The high gain sounds may not be as good as other pedals but in my opinion the clean and crunch fender sounds are the best out there. Just because it nearly costs more than your car doesn’t mean it’s overpriced, it just means you have a crappy car 😂 All your sounds on this video sounded awesome BTW so well done for making yourself look a dick 👍

[@sixstringtv1]

Ok

[@rejuvenator8966]

Wait this guy just skimmed through factory presets and trashed the unit? Lol what? I didn't watch the video yet and now probably won't. My granny could make better review than that

[@princewarior2554]

​@@rejuvenator8966 I've watched it, and You're right, no need to watch it anyway, He doesn't know how to Dial it. It's like a Kid who don't know how to ride a car, and talk bad about Ferrari. 😊

[@travisspaulding2222]

@@princewarior2554The art of dialing in a good tone on a modeler is no different than the art of dialing in a good tone when recording. It's a little bit about the EQ settings and pedals, but mostly about the cab sim, speaker model, mic and mic placement. Those factors can make or break the tone, and honestly, most of these types of units have terrible factory presets, lol. You really have to dig in and either make your own preset, or tweak the shit out of an existing preset. Having said that, I don't ever see myself spending that kind of money on the Fender Tone Master Pro. Not when you can get a Quad Cortex for the same amount of money. The QC will definitely be supported for a long time. I don't trust Fender to support this product long term, especially if it flops.

[@princewarior2554]

@@travisspaulding2222 Yup, agree.. I own QC too.. agree on that one too.. Still one of my best gear. But I don't wanna compare TMP with any others, just talk about it self. I've tried it and it's not a "shitty" stuff. Not as bad as this guy said. Yea it took me a bit 5-10 minutes to tweek it to make it sounds good to me.. but still, it's worth. 😊

[@DareBear2099]

Steve Sterlacci was super critical of this unit too in a separate video. I have no idea how you managed to make this unit sound as bad as it does, but congrats lol I’ll never buy this product ever

[@bernd4rock73]

Look at the comparison between Kemper, Headrush, Helix, Quad Cortex and Fender Tonemaster Pro from Andertons; the speed comparison from 1:38:30 to 1:45:55 shows that the Tonemaster is everytime in the top of the line. I´m since 2012 Kemper user, but now I´m changing to the Tonemaster because of the top UI (including Song-List and Setlist- a very useful feature!). Yes, you have to midify the presets with Rock amps, but this was the same at Kemper an Quad Cortex, i tested before. And it is very important to use the right activ-Box with the Modeler/Profiler. Fender has developed the Tonemaster 1x12 or 1x10 Cab for the Tonemaster Pro and this is sounding very very good together. And the box has a very deep active EQ. Keep on rocking!

[@QuoVadis88]

This product was not rushed. There are enough amps and effects to use this at home to practice with and to gig with. Getting the customer to do updates is a brilliant business move. I am happy with the TMP. I know the updates will make it better. The accompanying FR-12 and FR-10 cabs work well with the TMP. The bass amps are coming out in the next update as has been advertised. The design is brilliant and the execution is brilliant. No company can sit and wait a year to release a product. They have already had 4 years of R&D. The successful Tone Master amps were a strong indication that the TMP was coming. You have to sell stuff to have a business. Pete Thorn demos this product the way it should be done. Complaining about presets in version 1 software is childish. Please grow up. Here is a grown up's review. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hH6kmJRmeZKBpKc

[@bobbyspears8773]

7:53 SLAAAAAAAAAAAAAYERRRRRRRRR

[@mrfuzztone]

For another take on the Tone Master Pro watch the KZbin video by Pete Thorn. Title: Fender Tone Master Pro - I put it to the test! Pete used the computer software that comes with the Tone Master to set up sounds. That looks pretty good. Pete liked the user interface. Lots of opinions on this product. I have other things that are also considered to be too expensive such as analog synthesizers and a Walrus Meraki delay. I am doomed. Ha. My prediction is that Fender will have updates for the Tone Master Pro around the time of NAMM 2024. We shall see.

[@johnanthony9923]

You should cover the cons of all guitar products. You know, since 99.999999% of all other "reviews" on KZbin already cover the pros because......coincidentally.....they're all paid sponsorships.

[@sixstringtv1]

I do when I see em. A lot of stuff is genuinely good hahah. I also take money for videos sometimes, but only for the stuff I'd review positively anyway. For the negative reviews you gotta govrogue hahah

[@jayrific]

Great video. I love the duff shirt. I'm feeling really old realizing your sporting a fictional beer brand from ten years before you were born. Lol

[@zloboslav_]

A Line6 Pod Go is worth its price, but the Fender is too expensive and I don't hear it sounding better. And I can't care about more features when I don't use them.

[@Viper_75th_RR]

Have you tried it with the new updates? I’ve heard that they added an impedance curve for the IRs and improved all of the amp models. I’m interested to see what you think.

[@schumannzohan]

Hey, big fan of your incredible tone-deafness! It takes a special talent to miss the brilliance of the Fender Tone Master Pro. Maybe your ears need a firmware update, or perhaps you're just stuck in the Stone Age of gear. Keep rocking that outdated sound!

[@ernieficklin3593]

This wins the internet dude. Brilliant reply to a ridiculous clickbate video. This guy is a total joke.

[@kirkwilson6229]

Keep being a Fender butt boy!😂 That thing doesn't sound great. Fender's gain stages have always blown goats.

[@sunnohh]

As a guy with both modelers and amps, modelers sound good for like $100 plugins but $2000 for the same or worse sound from fender is the kinda not great part. Wonderful for gigs, awful for playing for fun.

[@DreadedMetal]

The way amp simulators are going. for that price I'd expect more features...

[@pauljosse]

sounds really good from sitting where i am, authentic as.

[@Annunaki_0517]

At a significantly lower price point (i.e. without the $700 premium for the Fender brand name) this might have been an interesting choice for those looking to get into the digital modeling world. But at the price they’re asking, it feels more like a product that we will see the major retailers blowing out for 50% off in about two years. Perhaps a “wait and see” approach would be the best option if you’re considering buying this unit. Fender has a habit of quickly abandoning product lines that aren’t immediate hits in the marketplace. Remember the Mustang Amps/Fender Fuse software? The Bassbreaker amps? All those solid state amps of the 80’s. No, I mean the 90’s, no wait, the 2000’s…..etc.

[@GretchZ]

When they released the Bassman bass amps in the 00s I instantly knew they were a bad idea. The original Bassman is best known for use as a guitar amp, so it’s bad marketing in two ways. Bass players might think it’s a guitar amp, and guitar players will just get confused because they’re guitar players. They also sounded like shit and had bad build quality. May as well have gotten a Peavey. TKO. They sounded like shit, too, but at the time Peavey stuff was still rock-solid.

[@phel21]

There is no reason why Fender should be able to charge a premium for their name. Their beancounters prevent the use of decent quality components. As an example just look at their hotrod and reissue amps that are built using cheap components (condensers in particular) cutting the amps lifetime to 1/3 of what it should be. The cost of replacing those is huge compared to the few bucks it would cost to have the amps built with quality components in the first place. Custom shop and masterbuilt guitars are currently the only decent quality products from Fender, but those are seriously overpriced.

[@heavymetal6910]

They should have called it the Thin Master, none of those tones have any balls

[@Goose21]

The eyebrow raise every time you hit the pinch’s playing Laid To Rest at the start are classic

[@sixstringtv1]

Absolutely unavoidable hahah

[@Returnality]

Yeah, I commented the same thing when this came out and everybody seemed to be impressed. It just doesn't sound good to me, I haven't heard a single tone that justifies the price point.

[@Returnality]

@dv8322 My dude, I have heard many reviews of this modeler and I'm just not impressed. I can get tones that are just as good out of my significantly cheaper old Headrush Board.

[@jamesred100music]

After watching the video, I totally get what kaylen is saying. I own a Fender Mustang GTX 100 and it's a decent gigging modelling amp but id definitely say its high gain sounds are alright but not completely ideal for extended range tones. From what I've heard here in this demo and some others it seems like they have either ported over some amp models or atleast stuck very close to the models on the mustang series of amps as I hear the same slightly muddy or strange top end that I found in my amp when I first got it a few years ago. Other than maybe the parallel processing options and the I/O I wouldn't say the Tone Master Pro is that great out of the box for the price compared to the GTX 100 and would probs need some tweaking with global eq settings and the like. Either way it's nice hearing some alternate opinions on the product other than purely positives. Great video as always! Keep it up!!

[@1-eye-willy]

i used to have a mustang 3 modeling amp, it sounds very similar to this thing. i think they sound fine for what they are.

[@jamesred100music]

@CLIPPASCLIPS oh definitely but I don't think a £1500+ modeller should sound the same/ close to an under £500 modeller from the same brand

[@MisterEko888]

Instead of worrying about the sound not being authentic or whatever, the young generation of musicians should worry more about actually writing good songs. Whats the point of having 100% "authentic" sound just to downtune your 8 string Kiesel and do a 10 minute djent-fest? Modelers (even cheap ones) are all good enough. Whats missing in today's music isn't "decent tone" it's good songwriting..

[@sixstringtv1]

You act like everybody plays guitar to write and release music. I've never finished an original piece in my life, I play for the fun of playing guitar. Does that mean I'm not eligible to say this thing isn't worth 2 grand?

[@MisterEko888]

@@sixstringtv1 even worse. If you just play in your bedroom, why do you need perfect tone? Don't tell me a modeler isn't good enough for that. But I totally agree. 2 grand is way to expensive. Especially for a bedroom player

[@sixstringtv1]

@MisterEko888 I don't play in my "bedroom", I play in my studio (the one I record videos in) Am I not allowed to want good tone for that? Please go be an idiot elsewhere

[@MisterEko888]

@@sixstringtv1 you're "allowed" to do whatever you want dude, but please don't talk so much BS about "tone" when all you do is playing in your bedroom aka "studio".

[@tonyinhbolero4815]

Fender tone master is not for Metal , shredded, to be honest

[@bedroommusicfromsoma]

To me it sounded very good, but what do i know, i use a zoom g3nx. The great playing might have obscured the "bad" sound. 😊

[@rgmetal]

Was skeptical of this compared to other amp sims the moment it was anounced. Like you said, the target market doesn't make sense unless you're a die-hard fender fanboy with too much money

[@mikeller]

Very happy with mine.

[@Dram1984]

In a world where they HX stomp is $650 ( $750 for the XL) there is no way in hell 99% of guitarists need to be spending 1600+ for a modeler.

[@Keplerf-vn2ld]

Got banned from the reddit guitar sub for criticism of this giant pos fender put out. Then guitar players want to be trusted lol. A dev in there actually maintained that customers are beta testers, even if the software is pro audio. We truly live in clown world now.

[@sixstringtv1]

LMAOOO no way 💀 Absolute clown shit

[@diabeticmonkey]

That sub is notoriously biased and lame, but that’s Reddit in a nutshell. Any sub that’s that big becomes an opinionated echo chamber.

[@herbcanter2114]

@@diabeticmonkey Reddit is a complete joke .

[@Necropheliac]

Most subs are hiveminds that don’t like dissent. I hate Reddit.

[@JoseRamos-bx2ud]

Truth is, you can dial in the sound on these modelers and get really good tones but I takes some practice

[@chadromanowski2408]

I have been using the headrush mx5 for maybe a year and loved it so I actually just got the core delivered. I'm not a professional musician but just the look and the price and the specs of the fender unit just seemed overpriced,underfeatured, and unattractive.

[@XCMRM80]

Im glad you reviewed this, everyone else was singing its praises when it was first released

[@sixstringtv1]

I waited it out cause KZbin was so oversaturated with reviews for a while that this would've likely gone under

[@RichardSmith-bj3bo]

⁠​⁠@@sixstringtv1 this is such bs and clickbait with BAD in red capitals, its not perfect but for many people its pretty good

[@sixstringtv1]

It's not good for anybody if you can get BETTER tones for under 500€ (e.g. IK Multimedia ToneX) and this thing costs nearly 4x as much. That's ridiculous. If this thing didn't have "Fender" plastered all over it you'd be dismissing it just like I am

[@RichardSmith-bj3bo]

I own it and I think its decent and yes with a particularly good set of modelled fender amps in it. The UI is amazing , dismissing the whole unit as bad is absurd, its early in its product life and still is pretty groundbreaking compared to the competition for its UI alone . But what do I know, I’m just a consumer without an agenda

[@sixstringtv1]

You're acting like I have an agenda saying this product is *bad* lmao. How is this thing groundbreaking, everything it has the Quad Cortex has had for years except cheaper and better sounding. I say this as someone who wouldnt touch a Quad Cortex with a ten foot pole either

[@pigxstix]

It had some issues when it first came out and the Fender team were very active engaging with customers on The Gear Page and then eventually on their own Discord channel. They really listened, took their time, and after 6 months released a massive update that took it to a new level. And they're not showing sign of letting up. In these discussions the two main Fender Developers of this unit are adamant that Fender sees this as a big market going forward and are committed to it now with a product release plan already in place for the next several years in the future at least (although they are very tight lipped about any of that future stuff.)

[@Necropheliac]

The thing that I don’t like about these types of amp sims is that it’s really a half measure. Ultimately if you’re going to use an amp sim I think a better form factor is a MacBook Pro with an interface, and a midi controller for the floor pedals. The reason why is because if you’re going amp sim, you should want full control of the software. The floor modelers put the computer in the midi controller and you can’t change software streams, you’re stuck with what Fender gives you for software, or rather what software addons fender wants to sell you, because I think this is their ultimate game plan. They lock you into the fender software stream. If you spend the money on a computer, you have potential to change streams if you want to. Gigs you say? I don’t see any thing wrong with bringing your MacBook with a midi controller and an interface. It’s not sexy but guess what, the audience doesn’t care. They don’t. Only you care.

[@sixstringtv1]

Not to mention the fact that for two grand you can get a laptop with amazing specs, a nice versatile plugin that does everything the TMP does, AND have money left over. THAT was my point. But people are misunderstanding it.

[@Necropheliac]

@@sixstringtv1 Ive got Amplitube 5 and the Guitar sim in Komplete 14 and I have to say that there is no substitute for a real amp, but in studio production its crazy how much customization is available. I doubt the Fender stuff is going to hold a candle to what comes next. Its going to be integrated AI where you just play an mp3 and it matches the sound. I think sinking money into non-fluid platforms is a huge mistake.

[@jonathanhguitar]

I wouldn’t call it bad per se. The synthetic sound is due to bad speaker simulation or IRs. That makes a huge part of how modelling devices sound. It was like that in line6, fractal, qc and other devices. The price tag is hefty though.

[@xxdr34m5xx_4]

I bought it and love it so far, the amps are more than enough and infinitely shapeable, if you know what you're doing, this thing can sound as good as the kemper, i have both and played gigs with both and the UI is far superior to any other modeler, but each his own i guess :)

[@stringsattached67]

This review didn't age well now that the fender TMP is leading the pack With each update its just getting better and better. I guess its not that Bad after all 😉

[@sixstringtv1]

If I can get my hands on it for another hour or two I'll definitely make a follow-up

[@stevecassidyguitar]

I have 3 Fender mustang amps, 3 different generations - All had their software discontinued - Cheers Fender 😎🍻 Not much faith in Fender Re product support. I gig an HX Stomp XL, the Helix ecosystem has been constantly updated for almost 15 years now. Thanks for reading - don't buy a 2nd hand toothbrush #LearnedTheHardWay The End. 🙏

[@jimfellows212]

Pete Thorne made it sound great, just saying. Ive gigged with mine for a full month, and it sounds great. Presets are never really great. You gotta take the time to dial in.

[@sixstringtv1]

Pete Thorne is fantastic, he could play through one of those 9V Marshall toy amps and I wouldn't give a shit cause of how good he is. But this thing isn't for Pete Thorne, it's for regular people. And it doesn't lose that synthetic tone regardless of how much you tweak it. In a gig setting it doesn't matter much but I'd switch to playing bass before sitting at home and playing with this thing

[@fotog04]

As an older gigging musician without a road crew, this is a great tool especially when you don't have to carry around a large amp. Playing cover songs from many decades - this is very versatile with some tweaking, that is.

[@SlaserX]

BOSS IR-2 is 200 bucks, and ToneX which is more powerful is only 400 bucks. You don't need to break the bank anymore. This is coming from someone who loves Access/Kemper

[@sixstringtv1]

I love the ToneX. That'd be my unit of choice for gigs

[@handicappedhoods]

Just a reminder that presets are going to suck, but there are always different reasons for that. With the HX Stomp the presets are ass but you can hear the quality in the amps and effects, which is the thing that makes you explore the UI and make better patches and I don’t hear that with the TMP (and other modelers like the head rush). Nothing I’ve heard really makes me want to explore and make something better in the way I would a HX stomp or would like to do with a FM9 or a QC.

[@mathewworkman1625]

I thought it sounded bad as well. Glorified multi-effects board from the 90's.

[@thekowboyelectrik7714]

To me, Fender has never struck me as the 'go to' metal gear anyway. I don't know much about metal, so I might be wrong!

[@thunderfootpower]

you do realize that fender builds the EVH amps which are one of the biggest selling metal amps on the market

[@ayeapprove]

Very nice Fame Forum!

[@yajneshar5200]

Wow The set up is awesome Nice and chill vibes

[@vincelupone]

You've got to admit, it's ironic Fender has a model of the Mesa Mark series in there.

[@ohplezz]

I think the TMP was rushed out for the a Christmas season. With updates I think this will be a very good modeler. It will probably be fantastic a year from now. I personally feel the ease of use of the interface is the best out of all of the modelers for people who do not want to read manuals all day to find sounds. But Fender does have there work cut out for them regarding the sound of their high gain models.

[@mrhelpnow]

Love your content. Always speaking raw truth . No need to embelish video with worda to keep the big companies happy.

[@mrfuzztone]

Guess it depends on what sounds you like. Fender Tone Master amps get good reviews for their Fender sounds. Could be great for people that like Princeton and Deluxe Reverbs and Bassman amps. A lot of Fender sounds in one pedal. Could use good 50's tweed amp models. I really like my Swart STR-Tweed and Tungsten amps. People don't like the price because they can't afford it. I understand that. I have several vintage Martin guitars that cost me way more than $2K. But I don't have a $50K 1920''s 00-45. I would like to have one. But I won't complain about the price. I bought a Universal Audio OX a long time ago. All kinds of people complaining about its price. Guess what? It sounds fantastic with real tube amp heads. I have a Fender Tone Master Pro, Line 6 Helix LT and Kemper Stage. I am lucky. I get to try the best of each of them. Fender is going to be updating the Tone Master Pro. It has enough processing power and knobs for them to do a lot with it.

[@sixstringtv1]

Yeah, the UA Ox is good. If Fender now came along and sold a far inferior, unfinished version of the UA ox for MORE money, that would suck. Especially if it achieved results you could get out of an $80 plugin.

[@mrfuzztone]

A lot will depend on whether Fender invested enough in the processing power for the Tone Master Pro. If they did, then they have a platform that can evolve into something that might satisfy you one day. It does have decent knobs and buttons to go with a strong processor. I think we should know more about this when the 2024 NAMM show happens. A lot of people these days don't know what it takes to build modeling software and a good UI. It really is quite a technology feat that is taken for granted. I would guess most people don't know what C++ is. There is a perception that software is easy to make and should be cheap or free.

[@charlesbolton8471]

⁠@@mrfuzztone In this day and age, there is a perception that everything should be free or cheap just because of all of the technological advances that have been made in the last 20-30 years.

[@chinard]

I am a big fan of the idea with the foot-switches that are actual knobs But not at that price point. I'll stick to my MX5

[@willieguitars]

By the way, thank you for the review on the Fender tone master pro. I was considering it but not anymore. Love your reviews on gear!

[@RichardSmith-bj3bo]

Honestly don’t make decisions based on youtuber opinions, go play one they are good and a lot of fun

[@samsara107]

Beautiful guitar. I got a Forum Custom recently. Fantastic instrument.

[@vainparasite]

Love laid to rest and you did it really well 👍 oh and your hair is beautiful 👍👍 Merry Christmas

[@darkestfugue]

the factory presets in any multi effects are are always shit, you have to build what you like from the ground up, i wouldnt touch this thing because it has no expression pedal and its too expensive, my gt1000 is just as good. i wanted something small recently and bought a headrush mx5, again the factory presets are terrible, but a few days later i had built the rigs i need for a live show from the ground up, the ac30 sim is surprisingly good and for a small time bar musician like me i can just turn up plug into their PA and go for it

[@simonsmith2642]

But CAN IT DOOM?!?.

[@KRAZEEIZATION]

They should just stick to making tube amps and leave the digital schmidgital malarkey to manufacturers that excel in them.

[@_hide_-lb1gk]

Not worth $1500 before tax.

[@alteregothehi-qs5774]

Easy: test it; like it or not. Buy it or not! I love it . I bought it. Fits my needs ( and age - hate carrying heavy gear).

[@Sylkis89]

One thing that seems to be the theme throughout the video that seems to differentiate people who like amp sims and who don't. You keep talking about how now authetntic they are as if the authenticity was the defining factor whether something sounds good. You could emulate vety authentically a crap tone, and you could have an absolutely amazing tone that dies not authentically replicate what it was inspired with/based on at all. Now, the above is not a comment on the unit itself. I have no idea whether it sounds good or not IRL. On recordings it just sounds as "good" as any other real amp or or modern modeller, cause it's mainly the matter of mixing and mastering whether something sounds good in a recording. Question is how much more effort it will require to make this unit sound good in a mix compared to real amps. And of course there's the question of how good it sounds IRL. I do not have answers to that at all. I just wanted to comment on this observation I had how people disliking modellers keep talking about their authenticity or a lack thereof, where it's very rare to hear anything about it from the enthusiasts, they will rather focus on expressing whether they just like the tone as it is and start comparing different units in terms of how hard or easy it is to make them sit well in a mix, etc. Just food for thought.

[@nohero178]

Alright well, I kind of tune out whenever someone who plays a PRS can't dial in a good tone.

[@sixstringtv1]

I literally mentioned what guitar I'm playing lmao, that's not a PRS

[@sirbaronvoncount4147]

How on earth does a company with unlimited resources mess this up so badly at a time when amazing digital gear is available for reasonable prices? I’m old and a tube snob but I will try new things. So far still playing tubes (valves for you Brits) Peace

[@QuickSticks8771]

They haven’t messed anything up It currently holds its own against the competition straight out of the box and will only get better with time It sounds amazing if you spend a few minutes tweaking Take the clickbait hate with a grain of salt

[@sixstringtv1]

It doesn't hold its owm against anything lmao, Quad Cortex is 10x better than this

[@QuickSticks8771]

@@sixstringtv1 yes that seems to be your incredibly persistent opinion

[@juanvaldez5422]

I’ll probably use my Kemper for rest of my life . I also run a helix parallel but only 4CM and for it’s effects

[@eerokkitube]

Sounds ok to me... Of course it doesnt sound like amp im the room though, modelers never do, closer to recorded tones

[@sixstringtv1]

Yeah but would you spend nearly 2 grand on "ok"?

[@notonyourlife7939]

The whole point of any modeler is to create recorded tones... that is the sole reason for their existence, lol.

[@eerokkitube]

@@sixstringtv1 yeah the price is super high

[@pauljosse]

as a helix user i can hear what i could do to easily improve the tone in about 2 minutes.

[@MykEviiL]

I own Zero Moddeling Units, I Had a Pod Go, Same sounds as the helix! Too Much Tweaking to make it sound good. The Amp Models are not accuarte to the real deal. Real Amps you turn on plug it in, turn three or 4 dials quickly you sound great. Moddlers all of them too much fiddling. If I did get one probably go with a Quad Cortex (or a fractal but the fractal has too many options and deep diving). The Tone Master Pro will out do line 6 with updates and it's easier to use. I don't want to have to load an amp block, do high and low cuts, add an EQ. Tweak Tweak Tweak. by the time I'm done the inspiration I had is gone and 3 hours is gone. Line 6 sucks!! I sold the Pod GO. Helix Never for me EVER!!

[@Mr.TeETH78]

MY Samsung Smart Fridge sounds TITS! Especially with pinch harmonics and tapping. She really likes tapping though.

[@cortmiller]

This seems like a weird half baked review. The user interface is actually the most intuitive of any modeler I have seen plus everything you were playing straight out of the generic stock presets sounded pretty good. I feel like you just sat down for 10seconds and I feel you were already gonna say it’s crap before you even sat down. And at the end you say how intuitive it is and in the same breath that the UI is crap. It’s totally drag and drop? Super easy visual display

[@sixstringtv1]

The hardware part is definitely killer. Like the fact that you actually see what the individual knobs do unlike on a quad cortex which just has little green LEDs. The software I don't love, and the sounds are not worth 2 grand. I can get those tones with Bias FX for 80 bucks

[@davemilne6055]

Anyone who has actually played this one knows how much better , out of the box, its sounds than helix or headrush, fractal or QC. Its still a digital board with some of the ongoing processed sound on especially higher gain models. But it is in the right direction. You should be able to use it just like you would an amp or pedal which this strives to do. The goal is to be able to use it through any amp or frfr and not spend hours trying to get the shrill our of it. This is closer to that benchmark

[@keithbuck8252]

This review or whatever its meant to be is so inaccurate and just down right wrong . Firstly as with the Helix the presets are average across the board! Secondly you only demonstrated it with drop D /C grunge playing and a few legato licks ! Absolutely zero clean tones on display here ! that actually show off the affects and how easy it is to actually dial a great sound into this unit that sounds great . Very poor and dissapointing . I will agree that this in terms of the software will be and needs some things improving, and they have already done two updates! But then you would not know that as your totally biased too using real amps etc etc. You did not even know that Headrush made bigger units !! and what the presets are like in the Helix . What qualifies you to diss this product what ? Another self professed expert, not experienced enough on any level to accurately review this unit . I own a Helix and just purchased this Tone Pro we are using them in th theatre touring band I work in with a top PA and in ears, and it sounds incredible. I use it for my Tele/Strat, mandolin, Pedal Steel and a Martin D28 acoustic and it handles every one brilliantly. I'm a Pro of over 50 Years experience at a high level so I'm not easily pleased .I've owned all kind of amps, including a brand new Mesa Boogie Mk11 B I brought in the UK in1983 and since then virtually everything, else including the Kemper Floor and most Boss pedals. It's not fair to Diss modeling pedals and then say there nowhere near as good as real amps !!! Whats the point !! Use real amps then, end of.😮 Modeling pedals are aimed at players wanting easier to carry portable quality sounds direct to PA at all levels . But then you missed that obvious point too. All in all a very poor demo. And before you say we'll don't come to my channel ! I'll point out that you make these videos for folk like me that are looking to you tube to see reviews that are fair and varied not biased and not demoed correctly ..

[@sixstringtv1]

I ain't reading allat

[@keithbuck8252]

You should!!

[@jcalzada74]

What modeler don't add a peavey on their repertoire... fender tone master... 1600 dllrs this modeler suuuuuucks 😂😂😂😂

[@Realroyrogers]

LOL don't get caught up in that cost trap, folks got a lot of Quid nowadays, especially in America where Fender focused the Pro and the build QUALITY feels like old American quality , those potentiometer knobs the GOAT

[@Teletex82]

Can you show us on the doll where Fender hurt you?

[@parkerg1000]

Right? I have a TMP and it sounds comparable to anything else. Anyone who says “the so and so unit sounds so much better”. Stop. It doesnt. The modeling tech is all the same. It comes down to ease of use and workflow that best fits a player. Plus, this is Fenders first release. They’ll update and upgrade over time just like the other units have. I am willing to bet Fender will kick their ass at it too.

[@pauln6803]

@@parkerg1000 "The modeling tech is all the same." Tell that to either a software or electronics engineer. Chipsets are one thing, implementation is another when it comes to audio reproduction.

[@samuelalmanza49]

You just came off like not even wanting to like the unit. Be less bias because that’s what’s coming through the screen

[@rumy6871]

What's bad is the audio quality of this video and the clear ignorance of the narrator, then again click baiting is his schtick.

[@sixstringtv1]

Ignorance of what exactly? What is it I'm ignoring

[@rickbelden2319]

It seems this was a terrible money grab attempt by fender to wade into the modeler market. Problem is that now they have cheapened their brand. Fender amps are legendary, this is not. Especially with a 1700.00 price tag. Think of Marshall or Mesa doing this. They won’t because it would cheapen their reputation of being a legendary amp maker.

[@1-eye-willy]

im legally blind so if i had to use that interface on a dark stage, well i just wouldn't be able to see it on the ground.

[@sixstringtv1]

Not sure if the screen goes brighter, it might. But everything is definitely a bit small

[@tiomkinnyborg2289]

I'll let you all in to a secret... All modelers are just a computer in a nice case. There are no 'real' amps or pedals in them. It is all an algorithm. You could put any algo from any modeler into any other and it will sound identical. (see Mooer). The same way your computer sounds no better than any other computer. What is different is the processing power and the interface. Faster CPUs mean it can do more things at once and have advanced routing. An Ampero is all you need. It ticks all the boxes and is cheaper. It has a great touch interface. Sound doesn't care who owns the brand. Calling a sim by an official name means nothing. Is it easy to use? Does it sound like what it claims to emulate? That is all you need to know.

[@Izayoink_Saccuy]

Still better than anything Gibson released recently

[@lynoj777]

Is that a knock off PRS guitar with a reversed PRS headstock

[@TheOnlyGuitarFather]

It almost sounds like the tones were messed with in post. TMP doesn’t sound this way

[@sixstringtv1]

Yes it does lmao.

[@Dookiefists]

Major case of Pebtac going on here

[@jeffmaestro]

I’m curious as what were you playing this through. It sounds like a preamp/speaker emulation going into the front end of a real amp.

[@sixstringtv1]

? It was the TMP into an interface

[@jeffmaestro]

@@sixstringtv1 Okay, thanks very much for your response.

[@BingoBabyO]

Didn’t sound like it was direct into an interface … it sounded like he used a crappy speaker and then recorded the crappy mid range speaker with a bad mic.

[@sixstringtv1]

So much for the quality of the unit then huh?

[@BingoBabyO]

@@sixstringtv1 just sounds like you didnt record it properly… either your interface is shit… or you purposely recorded shit to get views. It’s ok tho… we see you.

[@Cujo-fu5bm]

That sounds awesome and it`s 100% not garbage .

[@sixstringtv1]

I can get these sounds with $80 software, how is a $2000 unit that does the same thing NOT trash?

[@Cujo-fu5bm]

@@sixstringtv1 You know your things - I just liked the sound ;)

[@NAYANCAP]

@@sixstringtv1 so you don’t count audio interface + good pc for low latency.

[@sixstringtv1]

Don't need a good PC, I used the crappiest 300€ lenovo laptop for the longest time and got great results. Plus, to record this thing you still need an interface and a computer, so moot point. Next

[@NAYANCAP]

@@sixstringtv1 tmp can be used as audio interface btw

[@richardjones2811]

Can't beat an amp an pedalboard.

[@MathiasBronnes]

I hope the modeler fad fades away soon and we can go back to analog rack gear🥸

[@Pelle_Dead_Ohlin]

Me who's dead broke and wont buy one in the next 500 years acting like I know about tones and speakers and shit (All I know is guitar goes loud)

[@Zekroft]

I just got it last night and spent about 90 minutes with it. Part of it was updating, then using presets, and then building an effects only chain. First impression is like every amp modeler, modeling blows compared to a real amp. Will it matter in the mix? I hardly think so. I plan on using it in a 4 cable config with my 5150, mostly for the effects. With no manual it was still incredibly intuitive, with a great ui. I’m not a fender fanboy, I only own a Strat at this point. What I can say with certainty is some guitars sound better than others. Tried a kiesel Zeus with fishmans. It was fine. Plugged in the berg with suhr pickups and it was beautiful. There’s way more than just choosing a preset and go. Presets are usually ass. I use several nDSP plugins and digital is digital. It’s a tool. A set of tools. That’s it. The helix and head rush both sound way worse. I also have a wall full of pedals I can use with the tmp. Not sure what you expected other than a more affordable price. Nothing is cheap these days.

[@BootleggerPhil]

Has it been said already? Fender don’t own Gretsch.

[@sixstringtv1]

"Under the terms of the agreement Fred W. Gretsch retains ownership while Fender has the exclusive rights to develop, produce, market and distribute Gretsch guitars worldwide."

[@BootleggerPhil]

@@sixstringtv1 It’s an elaborate licensing. There’s no ownership.