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[@versebuchanan512]

Kefka: From Clown College, to a Jail Cell Toilet, to My Monument to Me: A memoir (Narrated by Mick Foley, available now on Audible)

[@MrStath1986]

'This one time, me and Exdeath put cookies in Garland's pillows.'

[@Dantarn]

One thing I love about FF6 is that WoB is all story and WoR is basically "Here's your Dark Souls 1 Master Key, go get broken shit."

[@pocketlint60]

Which is better, for an RPG to give you wide open exploration and a sense of adventure at the expense of balance, or an excellently curated linear sequence of well-paced narrative beats and set pieces at the expense of freedom? FF6 says FUCK choosing, you get both.

[@Aeonknight87]

@@pocketlint60 You can have both sprinkled throughout the whole game for better pacing. Chrono Trigger proves that.

[@SWad250]

Pat’s live reaction to the limit breaks was great.

[@li-limandragon9287]

I just watched them now. They’re fucking awesome especially Sabin’s, Terra’s Setzer and Cyan’s, what were Square thinking hiding them away?

[@OtherBross]

@@li-limandragon9287 From what I've seen they feel like an offhand idea that wasn't realized yet until they were formalized by FF7 limit breaks where you have a bit more control over seeing cool attacks.

[@kyubiiofrage]

I was hoping the video part would be posted after hearing him react on the podcast

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@OtherBross Well FF7 had the right idea. I know people say it gets overhyped and that’s true to some extent, but the innovation it brought to the series was great.

[@neighandwhinnymchorse2100]

4:30 I love that part in Berserk where Griffith says "I think it would be fucking cool to have wings"

[@cozbyv3]

Literally tho

[@Ian.420]

I totally see what Woolie is saying about the reason why the boss looking the way it looks makes the boss cool, not just the cool design. Like the Master from fallout 1 or the prime Metroid from Metroid prime, the story of WHY makes the boss memorable and interesting way more than just having cool designs.

[@thelaughingrouge]

Yeah he nailed it. Kefka looks like some angelic figure because he thinks he IS god. It's a fascinating choice for the character and designers.

[@attackofthecopyrightbots]

It’s a shame besides souls games nowadays they don’t have meanings behind designs anymore

[@trustytrest]

@@attackofthecopyrightbots Even Souls games don't have meaning lmao Elden Beast only looks like that because some dev thought it looked cool

[@PolarPhantom]

He also misunderstands the symbolism and story reasons behind most FF bosses he cites. Sephiroth becomes Bizzarro (or Rebirth) Sephiroth because he is being reborn as a god, and Safer Sephiroth is how symbolic of him being a fallen angel reaching for the Absolute - Final Fantasy VII has heavy Neo-Platonic influences in addition to the Jewish Mysticism. And he has a single wing because he is "incomplete". His goal is to bring all of the Planet's Life into himself, becoming "complete". Ultimecia is a parasite to other Sorceresses. So what does her final form include? A lower part of her body, a distorted mirror image of herself, that she draws magic from. Seymour transforms into something akin to a Fayth, then an Aeon and finally something abstract and transcendent once he decides he has grown beyond the tenants of his faith.

[@kingofbel6499]

Woolie talking about it reminded me of how much more intense those final boss battles in jrpgs were for me playing as a kid, back when I was still easily impressed by games. Final bosses usually take the longest to kill, and they can wipe your whole party out in a single turn, so against bosses like Kefka I would always get really nervous and anxious until the battle was done. And its make those moments really memorable too.

[@pwnorbepwned]

This is reminding me of how I felt in the Pokémon League fights in Sapphire.

[@111cvb111]

Weirdly enough, Banjo Kazooie 1 and 2 probably have some of the most intense final boss fights, they're pretty damn long.

[@trustytrest]

@@pwnorbepwned Why? Those have no stakes, no game overs, and you can retry at any time. Not like real RPGs where losing in the finale means the world is doomed.

[@2mello]

I had the misfortune of discovering FF6 right in the middle of FF7 mania in the 90s, because I didn't have a Playstation. In retrospect, I can understand why it's all anyone wanted to talk about at the time, but it was really disheartening how much 6 fell under 7's shadow in my school days and it was always hard to get people to give it a chance. It's really gratifying to hear it still hit someone this hard so many years later.

[@danielgervasi9567]

Bro I’m glad Woolie gave you some love during his LP of this because it led me to discover your work! His words: you can’t miss.

[@squidlump]

I really hope woolie checks out ff5 at some point, that one deserves to be remembered far more than it is.

[@li-limandragon9287]

That bit with Gauf and Exdeath is so awesome, why hasn’t anyone animated it?

[@durendal761]

As much fun as he seems to have had screwing around with tech in ff6, he'd probably love 5's character building

[@GreatCanadianGuy]

Final Fantasy V's greatest flaw is that it isn't FF4 or FF6. And that's a shame.

[@kokichibestboi]

fuck off dipshit. you can like ff5 without having to shit on ff6, asshole.

[@BubblyBoar]

Woolie, you have to understand, those Limit Breaks were just part of SE's master plan to have moves to fill out for FFXIV /s

[@li-limandragon9287]

Ah yes SE always had their mmo planned out even in 1994.

[@vivamexico254]

Like the phrophets of old

[@trustytrest]

@@li-limandragon9287 Their 2nd (or 3rd technically) MMO, at that! Already planning past XI.

[@copilots3159]

I saw Locke do his ONCE and NONE of my friends believed me!

[@TheRogueWolf]

The ending of FFVI is the best of any game I've ever played, because it's basically twenty-plus minutes of denouement not only for the main characters, but for nearly every side character, situation and location you'd been through during the game- and I was so invested in every last part of it that at no point did I ever get bored or impatient. Having such a wonderful ending theme to go along with it didn't hurt in the least.

[@syrushbluhr]

11:20 pat's desperation starts here

[@li-limandragon9287]

Surely a man with a needle or someone targeting his colostomy bag triggers Pat’s desperation attack: “Ginger Chomp”

[@syrushbluhr]

@@li-limandragon9287 Its Orbing Time!

[@Loffeleif]

Part of me really wants Reggie vs FF9

[@li-limandragon9287]

Or FF8 Triple Triad edition.

[@Msoulwing]

@@li-limandragon9287 Man I wish FF8 had a mod like Witcher 3's Hearts of Cards mod.

[@SeruraRenge11]

I think we're more likely to get the Live A Live remake than anything else.

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@Msoulwing Square should just release Triple Triad. Screw Squall’s story I wanna collect cards and challenge old people.

[@lolusuck386]

@@li-limandragon9287 we did get that with super best friends.

[@SWad250]

17:40 Fire Emblem 2 had this shit as well, and they kept it for the remake. There were a half dozen pieces of equipment that could only be found by random drop, most of which were 100% unique and super good, with each one being sub 1% of being found.

[@SkyFeline]

I was shocked how well Woolie did on the final fight. At a certain point Kefka just starts countering every attack with goddamn Ultima which can easily wipe the party without shell or other magical defense. Woolie just kinda...Skipped that phase.

[@DamashiTheKaotic]

Kefka has a very low chance of countering with Ultima once his health is below about 25% (and by that point he's basically dead), and Kefka won't counter with Ultima while charging forsaken.

[@brocklock0975]

Wait until you get into a "Best SNES RPG" and the DQV freaks show up. Like right now, I'm one of those DQV freaks. It's so good woolzuto.

[@lawspite]

As someone who prefers Final Fantasy games: yeah, DQV is really good.

[@EmperorSeth]

I would say that From Software still has the same "Who cares if you see everything?" philosophy. I'm still working my way through Elden Ring, and there are so many places people could completely miss if they don't find ONE item or secret passage. That goes back to at least the Lake of Ash in Dark Souls.

[@Graniteflight]

This was just such a fun ride. I hope Woolie eventually goes back for FF IV some day.

[@elyasmacherawb]

Yes! Visit the moon! Ride a whale! Fight a little girl's doll! Witness the destructive power of a spoon! Destroy a mecha!

[@NanTheDark]

Or FFV. FFV is an awesome game too.

[@Graniteflight]

@@NanTheDark FF V is weird for me. IV gets a lot of points for being the first game to do a lot of things, so I think it would be particularly interesting to someone like Woolie who likes the history aspect of these older titles. V falls in a mushy middle ground where it is neither as innovative as IV nor as polished as VI. It is cool, but I wouldn't consider it in the "must-play" category of the franchise.

[@TheSinaqui]

@@Graniteflight But you do get to have a party of four Gogo's

[@EikoHarvey]

@@Graniteflight You have not played Final Fantasy V if you think IV is "more innovative" than it... What kind of fucking absolute zero temperature take is that lmao. V introduced blue mage, time mage, samurai, and more. It also has by far the deepest "building your characters' abilities" system of the first 6 FFs. Not to mention how many other classic FF novelties such as Moogles originated in V. IV is a fantastic game, but to talk about "innovation" it actually went backwards from III if anything, with the job system being completely hacked in favor for characters having linear growth.

[@SeruraRenge11]

Man if Woolie liked the final boss of FF6, he's gonna fucking love Live A Live's final sequence.

[@DamashiTheKaotic]

God damn that Live A Live last boss is so incredible. Easily in my top 5 final bosses right up there with Kefka.

[@SeruraRenge11]

@@DamashiTheKaotic The best part is, it's kinda unclear with the old graphics, but the battlefield in the final fight against Odio is the bodies of everyone in the medieval kingdom.

[@punishedbrak4255]

@@SeruraRenge11 Oh yeah. Poor Odio, but he doesn't fuck around

[@saynotop2w]

Odio is definitely the best boss by Square

[@Blizz3112]

Glad you enjoyed it, Woolie... sometimes the classics are classics for a reason...

[@Mantis47]

13:00 Shoutouts to Pat for making the perfect "Laugh of the guy that has snapped and is now insane" from horror movies. Perfect slow build up into hysterics. A+

[@r.r.bigman774]

I missed out on all the big RPG’s on the SNES, aside from Super Mario RPG. The final boss and finale of FF6 still blew my brain to the back of the room when I played through it on the SNES Classic a few years ago. Could not imagine seeing that as a little kid in ‘94. Side note: Since I played FF6 after FF15, FF15’s “World of Ruin” was much less of a colossal letdown than it probably was for most people. What a contrast in game design philosophy, eh!?

[@thevoidknownaskirby3382]

It was supposed to be expanded as part of the planned season 2 DLC but then the Director left Square and everything was immediately cancelled and then put into a novel. It still stings me today:`(

[@UnlimitedBick]

@@thevoidknownaskirby3382 Switch the order there, got cancelled, then he quit.

[@thevoidknownaskirby3382]

@@UnlimitedBick Ah, gotcha.

[@TheSinaqui]

Regardless of anything else, getting to experience FF6 if you never had before means you need to think of things this way: Those of us who grew up having played it lived a life where FF6 was the gold standard of what a game's story could be, what it's final boss could be. It practically formed a litmus test we could judge other games by for decades because so much of it does still hold up.

[@Drawersama]

On regards of player user path 0 portion of the discussion, just picture Reggie missing looking at the "ship" on the first mission of ME1. Both squad members comment on it and he was looking down!

[@Y2wray]

Desperation Attacks being so rare in FF6 was actually one of the major things the devs wanted to fix for FF7, hence the meter and buildup Ironically, it was Nomura that pitched the original idea

[@li-limandragon9287]

Truly one of his better ideas. Unlike most of KH’s story or Advent Children.

[@neonfatum]

Why is it ironic? Nomura's a great game designer.

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@neonfatum Great game design and a character designer most of the time. He’s atrocious writer though, he makes Kojima look like Tolkien in comparison.

[@Y2wray]

@@neonfatum I use "ironically" because a lot of the hallmark cool things about FF7 were his idea I actually love Nomura's work, even if I don't agree with all of his writing choices (FF7AC, KHBBS and DDD, KH3 pre-remind)

[@arosbastion7052]

@@li-limandragon9287 KH and Advent Children aren't bad though lol

[@pwnorbepwned]

The Deathgaze chances were changed. It’s one pixel on the overworld, but the remaster has more pixels.

[@punishedbrak4255]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this, driving me freaking crazy

[@Vaishino]

Woolie is misremembering the cult tower bug. He got that bug by using quick and dying between casts of ultima

[@raccoonofmotivation20]

Kefka is the best ff villain and I won't be told otherwise

[@Aeonknight87]

I'll tell you otherwise. Emet Selch says what up.

[@li-limandragon9287]

Garland is still my favourite.

[@OliverKlozzofff]

More of an Exdeath man myself, but I get what you mean.

[@Tsunamidusher]

Finding out about FF6 Limit Breaks is just how I felt finding out that the Upside Down Castle exists in SOTN for... like 16 years later. I wish recordings exist of my and my friends face upon hearing this shit.

[@Jhylla81]

I've only seen 2 Desperation Attacks in my life: Locke's and Celes. Saw both triyng to kill Ymir on separate attempts.

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

I got one from Bigs or Wedge during the tutorial fight with the shell/slug thing...

[@PokeBattlerJaze]

It's always cool seeing people go back and playing shit you know is amazing.

[@FeelTheNiche]

So from what I understand about the font choice is that it has to comply with apple game font standards which is why it looks like that across every game released on IOS. Basically it was not in their power to choose

[@SuzakuX]

Friendly reminder: All those rad boss monsters were designed by Tetsuya Nomura. Same with Neo Exdeath and the rest in FFV.

[@li-limandragon9287]

Man Nomura’s designs used to be so awesome, I wish he hadn’t been consumed by a massive zipper in the 2000s.

[@matthewroberts6833]

Further proof that, for a producer, Nomura is a hell of an artist.

[@ExaltedUriel]

@@li-limandragon9287He still rocks it when it's anything other than outfits (though tbh, I kinda love how unabashedly _"Nomura"_ his designs are). Since you're going with zippers and not belts this time I'm assuming you're thinking of Kingdom Hearts, but just look at World of Darkness from 1 or Armored Xemnas from 2. Let's not forget that the Warrior of Light in Dissidia and FFXIV, while undoubtedly based off Amano's design, are actually more reminiscent of Nomura's refinement of it (everything but the face in FFXIV's case, that's purposeful Amano aesthetic all the way).

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@ExaltedUriel He was becoming a zipper hot topic man around the time of Advent Children long before KH.

[@MrTomlette]

Wouldn't the big boss be Amano's, though? Amano was the one doing the character design's and then other people adapted it to make it "pixelable", so to speak.

[@StrayPitboss]

Pat's laughter upon seeing those desperation moves could cure cancer

[@Darlingsworth]

The story is over, what a tale. Let's hope for ff5.

[@li-limandragon9287]

I’ve always wanted to see the Best Friends boys play FF4 or FF7. Reggie is good enough substitute for Matt. Or get a full FF8 playthrough but Woolie plays every game of Triple Triad.

[@SeruraRenge11]

FF5 has some of the best mechanics in the series, but the rest is kinda forgettable. There's a reason that when everyone in Japan talks about how great FF5 is, they on;y ever talk about the gameplay.

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

@@SeruraRenge11 yeah, job system is fun(if a bit tedious if you've got the OCD that demands you grind them all...) 4 has a plot that goes in hard though.

[@li-limandragon9287]

I played FF6 occasionally on Steam with the weird replacement sprites but seeing the awesome remastered pixel version Woolie LP-ed really makes me wanna play that version. I’m torn because I kinda wanna finish off OG FF7 (I just got the hang of the W-Item glitch) before I go back to FF6.

[@baldurofwrath]

If you do play it make sure to get a mod that replaces the font, the default font is terrible.

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@baldurofwrath I’m not a font purist.

[@baldurofwrath]

@@li-limandragon9287 I mean if it doesn't bother you I guess it's fine, but it is genuinely kind of hard to read and complely clashes with the visuals.

[@xaviertrudeau-deschenes8054]

I absolutely can't believe this is where Pat discovers FF6 limit breaks, WOW

[@DollarTaco]

I only learned about the Limit Breaks during Woolie's playthrough as well, and had the same reaction as Pat

[@b_l_a_c_k-l_i_t_e]

Word it this way. Kefka has Wings. Because Kefkas Ego thinks Kefka is a God.

[@b_l_a_c_k-l_i_t_e]

And we proved him wrong.

[@MegaBichiX]

he not only thinks himself a god, he believes himself to be the entire comedy He is Satan at the bottom of the pit He is the penitent souls struggling in limbo, climbing the unsurmountable mountain He is the redeemed soul carried to heaven by the divine Beatrice And not only that, he is also god looking down on the entire construct on the golden light of heaven. He is not simply "a god" or "the god", he is a clown after all, he is after the entire comedy of man and divinity

[@J2Xcentric]

Look up "A Critical Analysis of Dancing Mad" on youtube (by joshscorcher). He goes into a breakdown of dancing mad and how it summarizes all of what Kefka is. Going back and listening to it again I had no idea there were so many little eggs hidden in its track.

[@carlosfred8673]

Pat's realization that the FF6 Limit Breaks were directly ripped into FFXIV faithfully is amazing and I pogged along with him.

[@Jgt612]

I really get what Pat’s talking about, how the 90’s was this explosive period of games just having *more* My earliest memory of it as a young kid was playing FF7 funnily enough and realising Midgar wasn’t the entire world. It was genuine elation

[@Horatio787]

Nothing tops pokemon gold and silver having a literal entire extra game after the elite 4.

[@Enharmony1625]

FF6 is such a masterpiece! My favorite game of all time!

[@VGHistory1]

Same here.

[@Aeonknight87]

The timeline we're living in has Woolie teaching Pat something about FF. What a time to be alive.

[@LucasMaxBrosXL]

I'm usually a lurker, but I wanted to say I really enjoyed your FF6 playthrough with Reggie. I appreciate the amount of thought you put into what's going on in the game, your strats, as well as the casual bits and banter. Definitely my favorite playthrough I've seen of the game! I wouldn't mind seeing more classics or blind playthroughs like these. I remember in the February Nintendo Direct, when Earthbound was announced, I believe you said you never did a playthrough because others told you it was overdone and that you'd have no input. I hope you reconsider, cause I'd LOVE to see that one day, cause you and Reggie definitely bring interesting topics into the mix. I think you guys would have a lot to say about it.

[@Ducilios]

10:00 When I loaded Tales of Phantasia on my zsnes back in the day and stared at the intro first hearing a small voiceover in Japanese, I was impressed, then I heard the characters saying the names of the skill and I was amazed, and then I heard a whole ass Japanese song on a freaking snes game and my mind was blown. That game was all kinds of amazing and I was hooked all the way trough it. I was so sad no one of my middle school friends cared at all about it.

[@ApexGale]

My dream FF6 remake would see the team actually create dialogue and new scenarios depending on which characters you have managed to have join your party, and based on how the party is laid out. Obviously that would be extremely difficult given how large the cast is, but it would add so much more. One of my biggest gripes is how a lot of characters seem to just complete their arcs and remain functions until you get to a point where they are relevant again. It's a shame because some of them are really good Also justice to the homie Shadow that ending did him dirty

[@li-limandragon9287]

Also seeing that train-plex in 3D would be lit.

[@1982markjm]

So happy you enjoyed FF6 so much Woolie!

[@Dantarn]

FF6 has the best edgelord character purely because Shadow never has a backstory exposition dump to the party and literally no one cares if he dies

[@li-limandragon9287]

Relm would care if she knew who he was.

[@Seydaschu]

I'm sure lots of impossible secrets from that era were designed to sell strategy guides. Nobody intended for you to get the Golden Chocobo in VII for free. Thank god GameFAQs was getting popular on dial-up internet.

[@blaacksugar7714]

That, and that it gets people talking about their own experiences in regards to the games that were being played. I never even saw Beetle Island in the first Digimon World.

[@princeshadow13]

Woolie versus Chrono Cross when?

[@Azymyth]

I played FF6 way back when it first came out on the SNES. I've played through it a number of times. I'm pretty sure I learned about Limit Breaks from some sort of magazine revealing tips and tricks. Even when purposefully keeping characters low in an attempt to get them to happen, I'm pretty sure I've still only seen a couple of them.

[@yukaiyami]

Oh, thank goodness this got clipped. I was dying to see Pat’s face about the Limit Breaks when I heard the podcast. Until DFFOO, where all FF6 special attacks are named after the Desperation Moves, I had no idea they even existed. I don’t blame Pat for not knowing. Some moves also look awesome. It’s insane most of us never saw them.

[@CassiePhoenix]

Talking about wild ass glitches, I wish I could show Woolie a good rundown of the Sketch Glitch. It's absolutely wild how the game can just shatter from missing a sketch, and I ran into the damn thing playing back in the 90s when no one knew anything about it.

[@drew_M]

This video is precious to me. It captures so many of my thoughts and feelings from playing/watching all 3 games (though in my mind FF5 also needs a shoutout) Even Pat's reactions to the desperation moves were spot on (though I don't have the FF14 experience he does) Thanks for the ride, my friends. I knew it would be epic, but it turned out be something really special.

[@exiledPostman]

Kefka was my favorite villain from a video game. He doesn't have a tragic past. He isn't a sympathetic villain, and he didn't become evil because he was betrayed by one of the heroes. He's just an asshole. He's an asshole, and he enjoys every second of it, plus he's really funny and comically evil. You never see a villain who is simultaneously funny and serious, but Kefka makes actually funny jokes one moment and murders billions of people the next. A rare breed of villain.

[@attackofthecopyrightbots]

Love that he called 6 3 and then six

[@motivationalpizzaman9718]

i remember i got lockes limit break once in my playthrough and i lost my mind.

[@music79075]

10:30 I remember a solid decade of games where FMV was the workaround to putting "voice acting" into the game.

[@ryco9669]

I looked up the desperation moves and I'm surprised how few people saw them because the odds look pretty decent. 1/16 chance at less than 1/8 health but it can't happen in the first 26 seconds of a fight. Then again I guess everyone tries to stay topped off.

[@BinaryDood]

I'll have to fight Woolie on this. Lavos has by far the best lead up to the final battle. It's meant to look like a weird humanoid entity. Lavos and Humans are intertwined, the boss rush represents its dominance over time and the planet's lifeforms, that are all now him. The final battle mimics the party itself, as not even the world Lavos consumed could do it.

[@Spoonsire]

Anyone got a link for the shirt Pat's wearing? I want me some Rhythm Heaven apparel

[@SuzakuX]

Friendly reminder that all those rad-looking boss monsters were designed by Tetsuya Nomura.

[@ultraspinalki11]

Too bad he sucks as a writer.

[@MrStath1986]

Too bad he descended into completely OTT chains and belts territory.

[@Kladyos]

Nomura did his best work while aping Amano

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@Kladyos Or working under Kitase.

[@alaskandesign]

Oh man, I used to attack with my characters at low health just to get a chance of seeing the limit breaks. I remember the first time I saw one, I was like, "WHAT THE HECK WAS THAT?"

[@Vaishino]

Is Pat learning new things about FF6 in front of our eyes? Woolie makes his point

[@mattduncan3869]

I think my biggest new takeaway after experiencing the game again is my opinion of Shadow changed. I remember him as this cool, stoic ninja, but now after watching woolie play the game it seems like he was just a deadbeat who ran from his friend, ran from his family and then ran from life entirely. Even his final line of "I can finally stop running away" had me hollering, "you're choosing to die which is the ultimate in running away!"

[@leafgreenbeast]

legend of dragoon has a similarly mindboggling final boss sequence

[@ngmajora6986]

Good game

[@li-limandragon9287]

Great game.

[@megamike15]

everytime i replay ff6 trying to get deathgaze to appear is the hardest part. same with ultima weapon in 7.

[@trifontrifonov4297]

Well. Now is time to do Sekuden 2 and see what proper "everybody go in" look like. Also the pig cutscene will make Reggie make Reggie noises and that would be worth seeing.

[@BinaryDood]

The reason Kefka took the place of "God" is to show that there is nothing in Heaven. A god with the face of clown. All of existence is a big joke to him, and he wants to take down any hope the characters found with what we see/hear in Dancing Mad, represented

[@cthulhuhoops]

i saw celes's limit break ONCE in the half a dozen times i played ff6, to the point where sometimes i thought i was just mistaking it for an abiliity she can do.

[@at0micl0bster]

I knew about ff6 limit breaks from the game trailers retrospective on ff

[@kholdkhaos64ray11]

I used to think they made up Terra's super in Dissidia only to years later realize that it's just a limit break super in FF6

[@CezrDaPleazr]

IT HAS NEAR DEATH LIMIT BREAKS?!

[@armorvil]

Woolie doesn't seem to know but the bugs he mentionned were specific to this new version, the Pixel Remaster. The GBA and previous Steam versions were quite bug-free compared to this one. Also I'm a bit confused about his "user path zero" thing. It's not zero since some players experience Desperation Attacks or encounter Death Gaze naturally. I experienced a couple DA myself and it was awesome because they saved my skin from a nasty boss (almost everyone dead, your final character is in critical and because you know a phoenix down wouldn't help, you decide to attack one last time. One chance out of 8 for a DA if enough time passed). I love this, it's the little bit of randomness that makes all FF6 playthroughs unique.

[@implodinghippo]

I didn't watch this LP. I'm just waiting for the compilation of their playthrough!

[@Rudero3]

Pat's comment about FFVII having the best beginning, while FFVI has the best ending part, is actually super accurate. I love both games but I don't really start getting into FFVI till Mount Koltz or whatever, and even then, I'm like rushing to get through that first 1/4th of the game to get to all the good stuff and then you get the world of ruin and it's like a timeout but also like "you lost, you got no fighting to do now" but then that final dungeon and final boss tower is great. FFVII's beginning is STRONG, the entirety of Midgar is good but I think FFVII ends rather abruptly. It's all good, I love when Cloud is out of commission and the others have to man the ship for him, and then you get him back, and IMMEDIATELY "go save Midgar, go through the northern crater, final boss, ending now!" I wish there was more stuff between there. Like, plot wise, excluding side quests.

[@alwynjaegar1778]

If you play ffx play the beatrix mod, she is recruitable in the mod and it's harder... so much better considering the emotional weight of the story is sooo much more impactful plus i think there are extra bosses??? The mod rocks

[@ultraspinalki11]

4:19 I thought Sephiroth getting a wing was inherited from the alien Jenova who also had her own wing(s)?

[@li-limandragon9287]

She doesn’t really have wings more like fleshy flaps on her back. The whole one wing angel thing with Sephiroth is supposed to be allusion to Lucifer, he was an Angel of light i.e a hero who became evil. But as Pat said eventually stylistically its just “Wouldn’t it be cool if Sephiroth had a black wing coming out of his back”.

[@punishedbrak4255]

Yes, Jenova Cells mutating his body. Sephiroth only has a wing in FF7 in his final boss form, it's only because the insane popularity of the character, phrase and song "one winged angel" that every appearance he's made after FF7 has him contractually obligated to walk around with 1 wing; it's literally nowhere else to be found in FF7 besides the final boss fight after Bizarro Sephiroth.

[@ultraspinalki11]

@@li-limandragon9287 Considering Jenova is in a mangled state when seen in the Shinra lab, it is up to interpretation if she was in the middle of transforming into a winged creature, or if she had the form of a winged entity before Aerith's ancestors ripped her body apart. Though if Jenova Synthesis is actually her Shinra Lab form but in a completed state, then her fleshy flaps are actually part of the big round thing behind her in Synthesis form.

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@ultraspinalki11 I really like the fact we never see her/its original form. It makes Jenova more scary and unfathomable

[@ultraspinalki11]

@@li-limandragon9287 that, plus the theory that Sephiroth's been dead since before the events of FF7 and that all your encounters with him (including his final boss form) are just Jenova mimicking him, make the alien an interesting antagonist.

[@MrStath1986]

So basically it's like a handful of other entries in the series in that it's fucking great, but has to live in the shadow of FF7 being what it is and a fanbase wanting Nomura-Boys.

[@somenerd3515]

Yeah 7 is overhyped, there, I said it

[@MrStath1986]

@@somenerd3515 Bingo. Yeah, it's a good game, but I really dislike how much it has allowed certain aesthetics and styles to dominate FF design and games.

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@somenerd3515 Having played (and still playing) the original FF7, it’s actually much closer to classic FF4 and FF6 than people think, it just had the 3D cutscenes and characters people went nuts over. I think people should more blame the FF7 Compilation (which cherry picked elements from 1997 game like the hot sword boys) for overshadowing the earlier games. The real FF7 is as much a corny fantasy as the older games, it just got morphed by Nomura into a hot topic brand. The older games do need more attention though.

[@Kladyos]

Yeah, remember when Final Fantasy had dwarves, elves and Ghibli robots?

[@somenerd3515]

@@Kladyos I remember Final Fantasy Tactics Hell, Woolie and Reggie should play that. It's one of the greats right up there with 6 and 7.

[@zanestearns2143]

I feel like Kefka is sort of like the personification of a warped version of Neitzsche taken to an extreme. The gods are dead, he has made his own morality. He is the ubermensche, his final form is as beautiful and as ugly as he himself is, as mankind can be. He is beyond good and evil at that point, he is a force unto himself, and because he is so above everyone he must be cast down.

[@carl8790]

I never cared for these games, but after watching y'all playthrough, I get it. Well, not really, it was never part of my childhood, but I at least understand why people love FF6 and older FF games so much.

[@Extradecentskeleton]

It's funny because the opposite happened for me. I didn't get into FF till late in highschool and I didn't get the love for a lot of the ff7 and up games. I still think their good but besides 9 and 10 I wasn't really blown away

[@PolarPhantom]

Most FF Boss transformations mean something. Sephiroth becomes Bizzarro (or Rebirth) Sephiroth because he is being reborn as a god, and Safer Sephiroth is how symbolic of him being a fallen angel reaching for the Absolute - Final Fantasy VII has heavy Neo-Platonic influences in addition to the Jewish Mysticism. And he has a single wing because he is "incomplete". His goal is to bring all of the Planet's Life into himself, becoming "complete". Ultimecia is a parasite to other Sorceresses. So what does her final form include? A lower part of her body, a distorted mirror image of herself, that she draws magic from. Seymour transforms into something akin to a Fayth, then an Aeon and finally something abstract and transcendent once he decides he has grown beyond the tenants of his faith.

[@qfqfsaa6558]

My favourite was FF5....

[@li-limandragon9287]

I’m seeing a lot of that.

[@attackofthecopyrightbots]

Gotta love also how woolie just assumes the snes version is full of bugs and it’s not just the shitty port

[@ShardtheWolf]

Only a few more games til we get woolie in on FF14

[@bangormc3rd562]

I know they don't read comments, but Pat PLEASE just show Woolie all the Sigmascape fights. You know he'd get a kick out of them.

[@augusthermes6740]

Kinda hard to see limit breaks when Terra can just Soul Punisher her way through the World of Ruin. FF6 was too good for it's own good.

[@scrublord7922]

ffx playthrough second gig? No...its still to early.

[@LightningZerker]

The world isn't ready for Grand Wizard Wakka: Second Impact.

[@scrublord7922]

@@LightningZerker you right brudda the world ain't ready

[@li-limandragon9287]

Don’t give me hope Brudda, I haven’t washed all the Al-Bhed blood off my Blitzball.

[@m.czandogg9576]

That GitS: SAC reference didn't go unnoticed.

[@ExaltedUriel]

I'd rather he finished KH1 personally. I wanted to see his reaction to Riku Vergil-ing up and all the other dope shit that happens in the last two worlds.

[@ColdRoland]

Yeah, turns out FF6 was okay. Who'd have thought with all those "antiquated" mechanics and storytelling?

[@MrStath1986]

I think the more 'old-fashioned' mechanics are in part what made Bravely Default refreshing when that first dropped; its gameplay, the story, and its aesthetics were so unlike what FF was at the time.

[@HDcamel]

7:00 (Persona) 5 has the strongest crew What the fuck is Woolie smoking?

[@oliviahughes3158]

Honestly, FF6 feels like a game that was better in the context of it's time. It's theatricality and execution are fantastic and there are so many hidden stuff that rewards actually exploring the inner crevices. certain gameplay aspects are very creative, unique and makes the characters stand out from other casts in other ff games. How often do you get to input FGC controls? Music is fantastic of course. Overall there's a lot to this game that really set the series forward and you can tell exactly the kind of influence that But it's definitely aged awkwardly. A lot of the characters are generally likeable, but are ultimately archetypal. And their progression is sort of all over the place. On the one hand, you have Cyan, who actually has a complete character arc revolving around his need to accept the losses of his loved ones. But on the other hand, you have Terra. Whose arc is supposed to be about loving herself, but during so much of the time the game focuses on her, she's either out of commission or off screen. The combat is generally too easy, even without the excessive gamebreakers. Magic completely invalidates the use of most of the casts specials, ultimately making the most efficient gameplay something that makes it less unique. Why wait for Cyan to get to the 7, when you can just cast Ultima or even Flare?

[@Msoulwing]

Well, if you're not getting all the best relics and level up bonuses, MP is a consideration. Cyan's Bushido frees up his MP to be used for curing and utility spells instead of damage, for example. Of course, the game is rarely hard enough for that to be a problem.

[@saynotop2w]

Those fighting game input things weren't that special. Just off my head I can cite Tales of Phantasia and Destiny, Legend of Legaia, Samurai Spirits RPG. There's definitely more that did it.

[@danielriggle]

yeah I loved FF6 but it still has little gems I've never seen. I only saw the desperation moves because I heard about them and intentionally provoked them.

[@oliviahughes3158]

Does it count as a "retrospect" when you just finished playing it?

[@MrStath1986]

Sure. All 'retrospect' really means is to look back and consider things, it doesn't matter how far you are time-wise from whatever you're looking at.

[@111cvb111]

...Man, be real cool if Final Fantasy 14 was turn based so I could play it. Turn based and I could skip 85% of the game.

[@Charredasperity]

If you were born before 1990 FF6 is your favorite, if you were born after 1990 FF7 is your favorite. This formula has never once been inaccurate for any youtuber I've watched

[@TheRogueWolf]

Born in 1975. Loved VI way more than VII. One data point in your favor.

[@blackdragoncyrus]

Play Trails.

[@music79075]

What I never understood is why the fuck do I want a "Cinematic Experience" when I'm playing a GAME. Is this a boomer moment and I am getting old or is it not? Cause this has been my experience for the past decade and a half watching helplessly as the Gaming medium tries, almost at every level and in every company, to chase "The cinematic experience" when its like; you guys are video GAMES not movies. I don't want to PLAY a movie, if I did I would just have a dvd/bluray player!

[@TheProphessionalGeek]

Why do developers make their games worse by removing fun exploits?