Fiber is Useless? | Debunking Shawn Baker | What the Fitness | Layne Norton PhD

[@instantsiv]

Fiber was one of the components that greatly improved my dysfunctional digestive system.

[@mannymannnn]

Same. I had no idea fiber was so important till I actually started eating fiber rich food.

[@Psych1_-]

funny I'm the opposite. Fiber makes me feel like crap.

[@livephysiology]

Knowing that there is a difference between insoluble fiber and soluble fiber can be vitally important when discussing the health benefits of "fiber" in general. Nice video.

[@donewittit6607]

Insoluble fiber acts as a broom in the colon

[@iamrobot396]

Insoluble Fibre is also important in fact the most important for stool movement

[@andrewzach1921]

Comment for Al Gore's Fiber Rhythm

[@chibbyylol]

commenting on the toilet as we speak to say fiber is definitely not useless send help

[@cyc00000]

Same here bro, thanks to fiber this is the only comment I have time to type.

[@minirlz]

​@@cyc00000 bro you shouldn't have any time to watch or type if you were getting enough. Get that fiber, join the 1 wipe cult.

[@dianasthings729]

In such cases as this, my mother would always tell me to eat an apple.

[@Jay-h9d9h]

I drop deuces regularly and I haven't eaten fiber for the last decade.

[@jonshick5661]

@@Jay-h9d9h so what

[@gerainthorton8980]

I love fiber. Porridge is my go to breakfast.

[@Hanover-ek4jy]

What’s that?

[@Thommo188]

@@Hanover-ek4jyrolled oats/ oatmeal

[@greggbambu411]

What happens is that these guys have gone so deep down the rabbit hole that truth doesn't matter anymore What matters is only their dogmatic idealogy winning the argument. People like this identity so strongly with their position that the position has become more important than the truth.

[@Jay-h9d9h]

but shawn isn't dogmatic. he says people can eat whatever they want and that he's not against plants. he says not everybody has to eat the way he generally eats.

[@adnan7698]

This is becoming true for many people nowadays

[@mangolemon4117]

​@@Jay-h9d9hhe portrays himself as dogmatic Short videoclips with attacking everything and everyone who isntba carnivore

[@Grumpyoldman666]

On a personal note increasing my fiber has had a noticeable positive effect on lowering my cholesterol.

[@2000Doriyas]

That’s sick, killing so many sources of disease in one move

[@Parker_Miller_M.S.]

The evidence for fiber is so overwhelming and consistent I'm convinced someone must lie to themselves to stay convinced fiber is "useless". I routinely get over 70g/day and its not laborious or challenging. My breakfast alone has over 35g of fiber. Im very close to crossing 100g of fiber in a single day, got to 95 the other day.

[@chickenballs-balls]

the challenge for me is getting fiber without the carbs, I'm getting "enough" right now for sure but it's nowhere near the dietary recommendation (which everyone should take with a grain of salt, maybe a dash more likely) but yeah. for anyone curious why I say "enough", I lowered my veggies when I increased my protein and fat because I felt fine, but after maybe a month of that I started burping a lot (there's also a possibility that something triggered this, iodine from kelp to be exact, but even after stopping kelp, it persisted) it went on for maybe 2 months. I increased my veggies again, next day I would say my burping was no longer noticeable.

[@hundredcrackvids]

What do you have to get so much? I get around 30g daily mostly from bread and nuts.

[@2000Doriyas]

I’m guessing it’s to offset a very high protein diet and to improve gastrointestinal health benefits

[@adnan7698]

Now you gotta mention what you eat for all that fiber

[@mnemo7096]

I think the recommendation to hit 30g of fiber a day is set way too low, i think around 60g should be the minimum, of course not immediately transitioning to that high but over a fairly sizable period of time

[@zacharymiller7661]

Eat your fiber. One thing I see rarely discussed is that a diet lacking fiber, therefore causing less frequent and more strenuous bowel movements, can possibly lead to developing diverticulitis. Which is what happened to me. Believe me, you don't want it.

[@sittingfrogleg]

Hmm, I used to know someone on a strict “carnivore” diet who developed serious diverticulitis after 4 years on that diet. He was admitted to the hospital multiple times for weeks. Unlike you, he refused to believe he had to change his diet, partly I think because he had quit his business to become some kind of health mental practitioner promoting the carnivore diet. Maybe some try the no fiber diet out of desperation and don’t know better, but the carnivore promoters are 100% a malicious cult.

[@tyrincarnate3854]

"everybody poops, you should try it some time Shawn"

[@THEDOOD32]

I do not know how but I saw this in the first 60 seconds. Thank you for the info

[@popularmmepic1584]

You only get better and better. So reasonable and very very funny. Thanks, man.

[@jcprugh5459]

Facts the content is getting better

[@2ndstreetmarvel]

💪🏿Fiber Friday?💪🏿

[@MiracleAngel20]

Love it!

[@srleplay]

You know what time it is LOL

[@WholeCosmos]

fiber everyday!

[@MiracleAngel20]

@WholeCosmos I wish those carnivore, anti-fiber zealots, a nice long life! 😆

[@Candyanthrax]

W

[@slider292]

Shawn Baker is a charlatan among charlatans.

[@ÁzsiábaSzakadtam]

A clown 🤡

[@earnesttipping7442]

Once again, I want to thank you for your knowledge. Baker is not as knowledgeable as he thinks. He reminds me of the Dunning- Kruger effect. He is a perfect example of that.

[@michaeldehart3253]

Eating enough fiber helps me drop deuces on the regular. It’s been a game changer for me as I’ve gotten a little older.

[@theSabsCouch]

Keep doin the good work Layne, you're appreciated!

[@scottyg5403]

Thank you once again for calling out this bogus information!!

[@olivertrumanjr9556]

Imagine how much better the world would be if people weren’t so dumb

[@LAnimeMaster]

If you don't want to be full of crap, get your fiber in.

[@rays2794]

I used to suffer with terrible bleeding hemorrhoids. I went to my doctor 2 years ago and he told me to make sure I get at least 40 grams of fiber a day, which is over the recommended 30. Ever since then I eat lots of fruits and vegetables and supplement with both soluble and insoluble fiber. I not only have taken care of my hemorrhoid problem, but I lost some weight which was an unexpected result. If you suffer in the backside, give fiber a try. Two things- yes you will be gassy for about 10 days when you start and you must increase your fluid intake or fiber will actually plug you up.

[@nurisadiandalu4382]

Got your a** beat by Nick Norwitz regarding cholesterol.... time will tell the truth...

[@cscscs9152]

And it will cost a many lives of vegans that still believes this, yet they still praise KZbinrs like this. Low cholesterol and a lot of fiber! And at 60 with Alzhaimer, they will ask God why did he chose them to have this disease, life completely spent in lies.

[@harmonious.balance]

How about simply having a better bowel movement experience? I mean do they think having some slow moving stiff mud experience is manly or something? At work this young guy gave us TMI and mentioned having some stiff arm experience because of all the protein he was eating. He said it like it was a point of pride. No one was expecting this topic of conversation. But I couldn't let him just think this was normal and ok. I explained to him that he should not be struggling and what he was describing as an imbalanced diet. He needed fruits, vegetables, and fiber to move things along. He looked at me surprised like he didn't know that fruits and vegetables were actually purposeful.

[@kamo7293]

I'm guessing it's a carnivore person? they're the only ones who have such a wild take

[@JOHNNY34A]

It's about time you do a video on him

[@andrew6889-p5c]

Sometimes it seems to me that many people pick a view on questions like this and will stick to it no matter what. Many of the effects of food take time to accumulate and can be hard to distinguish from other factors on a person by person basis. So, absent direct immediate personal evidence, people pick whatever beliefs they want. Personally it seems insane to suggest that eating fruits, beans and vegetables isn’t healthy. But I also can’t waste time worrying if people want to believe it.

[@robertdaymouse3784]

But he is the age group world record holder for the 1 minute indoor rowing machine something or other! And I saw him do a pullup on another channel. lol that he frequently says he is "almost 60" when he is 57

[@CharlieLeyva]

Shawn Baker doesn't read anything. Quantity over quality. Just look at how many posts he has on intagram. Ask him where is the gofundme money.

[@jaxonv2098]

I know my 💩 is much better when I add ground flaxseed to food. Very easy to pass and often there is nothing left on the tissue. Believe it or not many plant foods aren't that high in fiber which is why it's good to add a little ground fiber.

[@alanjackson1015]

They are almost all high in fibre, but ratio of soluble vs insoluble makes a huge difference to your poop.

[@kathleen8092]

Baker is a grifter and dangerously recommending massive amts of saturated fats.

[@24killsequalMOAB]

When are you debating the LMHR team?

[@stellasternchen]

I doubt that will lead to much. Feldmann is focused on mechanisms and his model ignoring outcome data or flaws that have been pointed out. Norwitz has lost it in my opinion, as his goal now seems popularity, cherry picking data in his videos, calling doing mini challenges science/evidence. He also likes to „please“ whoever he is talking to, backpaddeling… Not sure if that would be helpful in a debate. Budoff, well. Let‘s say his methologies in studies seem to be questionable. He is the one that used mineral oil (a laxative) as a placebo in the clinical trial of the drug vazkepa (omega-3) trying to show benefit in treating high risk cvd patients. Purposefully to show benefit where there is not? The data was actually not reproducible. Maybe I would enjoy Lane debating him pointing out the various flaws of the ongoing LMHR study design and his post hoc analyses that have been published so far, while the main study data is still missing.

[@clarkeduggan]

This Shawn guy doesn't sound like a very good source of information

[@nhtathinfbntb2746]

i love eating my ground beef but sometimes i want a salad or a some roasted broccoli

[@backfru]

I cant understand people who don't enjoy fruits and veges They're delicious

[@Greg_Chock]

Those people are delicious? 😅

[@WholeCosmos]

Thank you for doing this on fiber. I hope my last response was part of your inspiration....Keep up the great work and setting the misinformed straight. Beans and lentils are a great source of both types of fiber and protein. I love adding black beans to fajita burritos with any kind of meat pork beef chicken lamb etc....lean chicken breast if you are overweight or have heart disease. I put chia and flax in my green whey protein smoothies for a soluble fiber and omega boost too.

[@lolbubs11111]

If fiber has dose dependent benefit, should we all be taking metamucil?

[@Parker_Miller_M.S.]

Not necessarily. More soluble fiber would likely benefit someone with higher cholesterol, but fiber from whole foods is a good first place to start and prioritize.

[@Greg_Chock]

Some metamucil also has added sugar and you also need to make sure you take enough liquid with it.

[@kestag2110]

Fibre good, meat good, all good

[@jonathonpotts5666]

just eaten an entire cabbage, would never listen to a fool like shaun Baker.

[@noell8460]

I'm not sure if you'll ever respond to this or if someone in the comments can help, but I've seen people say what they believe is the best form of cardio for fat loss, if they are lifting, but, what if cardio is there go to exercise, what is the best cardio for instance from someone wanted to get fitter in general?

Probably bicicle, running, cross trainer, swimming or fast walking.

[@M.Sid9.3]

Kettle bell swings are amazing

[@kavishU0902]

The best cardio is the one you enjoy and will do consistently and is challenging enough for you. This can be biking, running, swimming or whatever else. There are arguments for specific heart rate zones being "better" but there are many ways to get the job done.

[@LenYn]

it depends on what you can stick to, the intensity and if you enjoy to do it is the best combination, I do boxing for example, its fun and a form of cardio

[@pandajohn5911]

Like the others above said, it depends on you. But I would say MMA (or other intense martial arts), plus you learn to defend yourself as a bonus!

[@davidjd123]

Fiber is good if you eat a lot of plant foods, if you only eat meat, u dont need it, if you only eat meat you take a crap and its maybe 1/5 the size of the total food you ate, if you eat plant foods its like 80% of what you ate when u crap it out.

[@MatticusPrime1]

That Baker guy comes across as a social media troll to me. I don’t take him seriously.

[@John_Smith777]

i agree with this. he always seems to be more reasonable in person. i.e. his debate with layne, and his rogan appearance where he admitted to eating a piece of cake on his daughter's birthday. i do admit i follow him on IG for the lulz haha.

[@DragoNate]

"they think they don't have to eat fruits and vegetables because they never grew up outta the toddler stage" dafuq is that suppose to even mean? what toddler eats only meat? if anything, toddlers are eating a lot more fruits and vegetables and grains in their cereals, juices and pureed food.

[@Corkfish1]

Didn't Sean Baker lose his medical license?

[@brettmarsay8094]

Thanks for cutting through the crap (so to speak) Dr Norton 😊

[@GregariousAntithesis]

The fact all food in nature including aninal contains fiber makes this point moronic. Meat fiber is tendons, sinew, fur, feathers as well as the undigested and partially digested contents of the digestive tract that obligate canvore animals do eat in nature. Had shawn ever hunted anything in his life he would have noticed the fur and feathers in the scat of wolves and coyotes. Plus fiber is how the human digestive system regulates digestion. Those who have have gas issues from fiber is primarily from a combination of fiber and high sugar and starch creating fermentation in the gut. Humans are not hind gut fermenters like a gorilla for example we have no cecum.

[@brucejensen3081]

Probably, but being gassy, especially smelly gas is a digestion issue, which a lot is from not chewing food properly, eating too much at a single sitting, etc

[@GregariousAntithesis]

@ bs is from a unbalanced gut biome

[@GregariousAntithesis]

@ drinking alcohol to often and to much, medications like antibiotics, mouth wash, etc all are simple examples of things that disrupt and or destroy our gut biome and cause digestive issues. In addition to what i already mentioned about the gut bacteria.

[@scottrogers1493]

"prevents nutrient absorption" is actually somewhat correct in a context. Soluble fiber can bloom preexisting SIBO (small intestinal bacteria overgrowth), which would include "good bacteria" which feeds on soluble fiber. Even good bacteria can block nutrients in SIBO. There is a wide range guess of the population that might have SIBO, and it's possible minor SIBO could affect as high as a third or more of the population. In that regard, the carnivore crowd accidentally has some validity because the main induction of SIBO is excessive carbs, which carnivores wouldn't worry about. In healthy populations, yes, soluble fiber only has a positive effect because bacteria is relegated to the lower intestine, and should be encouraged. So it's a "mostly false." (from what I have heard. No PhD on my name lol. But I'm big on daily fiber)

An innumerable amount if special conditions can affect what you can and can't eat...

[@timmat8029]

Citations required. Also SIBO would be considered somewhat of a disease state requiring treatment through antibiotics or antimicrobials and some form of dietary interventions. That said, the etiology of SIBO is multifactorial and may not be due to fiber in all cases.

[@marcdaniels9079]

The whole bacterial overgrowth thing is hugely exaggerated

[@WholeCosmos]

that is why you eat probiotics with the fiber like a probiotic supplement or yogurt or any fermented foods like kimchee, sauerkraut etc... to repopulate the gut and outcompete harmful bacteria.

[@scottrogers1493]

@@timmat8029 "citation required." Lol. No thanks. It's a social media post. Dispute it if you wish.... Fact: SIBO is a bacterial overgrowth in the small intestine known to block nutrient absorption, causing deficiencies and weight loss over time. Fact: because it's bacteria, it feeds on...bacteria food, such as prebiotic and carbohydrate sources. Thus, feeding it creates a positive growth environment for it. No citation needed for that obvious statement about SIBO you can discover on about ten seconds on a Google search... as for SIBO being a diseased State requiring treatment, of course. That's why I distinguished it from a healthy population.

[@AlexTJ-]

Isnt there a paper or 2 showing an increase in protein synthesis when increasing fiber intake?😂

[@Howitchewstofeel5gum]

"in fact it is the opposite of nutrition" So, fasting, then? Which would actually make it super-healthy in the eyes of these people who all believe that IF is magic. Checkmate lmao

[@JO-pz6uf]

for Al Go-Rhythm

[@alexanders2757]

Love it!

[@alexanders2757]

Haha!

[@shinlanten]

*_"But...but...he's jacked...he must know what he's talking about right?"_*

[@tallesttreeintheforest]

debate paul saladino like you said you would

[@azulsimmons1040]

Why did he change his mind? He makes money being carnivore.

[@olga1417]

👍

[@DragoNate]

I'm confused by the last part of the video - you seem to view the carnivore diet negatively in general, but then say it's fine to do it as an elimination diet. But if someone feel good and feels better than they ever did on that, what is the problem with continuing it, not reintroducing other foods to "see that what you can tolerate"? And, unless I'm misunderstanding the meaning of "tolerate", wouldn't it be better to just eat food that you feel good eating rather than trying to tolerate other foods because society says you're supposed to be eating those foods?

[@Pemulis1]

I dunno. I'm pretty suspicious of all the fiber love, and yeah - much of your microbiome needs fiber to thrive, but if that's the part of your microbiome that eats fiber, then why would you need it if you're not eating fiber? Personally, the less fiber it I eat, the less I even think about pooping - about the same time every day I spend about twenty seconds on it, then only a courtesy wipe because there's no mess. Sometimes I do crave some veggies or fruit and when I do, I eat it. Probably, overall, no matter your fiber level the thing that's gonna get you most healthy is avoiding the big 3 of highly processed, no added sugar, and no seed oils. As for 'studies', I wish it were reasonable to have more confidence in them, but most of them are so ridiculously compromised by conflicts of interest that they're borderline worthless.

[@stellasternchen]

A study has to get funded by someone. They all do have conflicts of interests, may it be the University, the author or a company. If you go by that you would need to reject all studies. To look if you can trust a study, you need to look at the methods section. If there is something fishy, you‘ll find it there. If you want to understand the fermentation of fiber by our microbiome and how we get energy out of it you might look at our cousins, the great apes. They can do that to a higher degree having a more diverse microbiome.

[@dripshameless5605]

I literally laughed when I saw the title and then Shawn's name. This was more What the Funny than Fitness xD

[@gokukakarot1855]

For the algorithm

[@chrismurray8132]

Here is an idea let's send Baker to the Antarctica for a few years!!

[@ChefJollyRoger]

Very strange you talking about shawn after what happened between you and nick.

[@Keepitcurious1685]

❤❤❤

[@zeroveda]

Surprise! A " carnivore" bro saying complete nonsense bs about nutrition.

[@kparandeh]

There’s a reason why Shawn Baker had his MD license suspended. Saying things like “cholesterol levels don’t matter” is just stupid. Mikhaila Peterson is worse.

[@marcdaniels9079]

Yes and he still calls himself Dr. 😮

[@johnnyg2501]

He doesn't say that

[@ThingsYoudontwanttohear]

He was (is?) an orthopedic surgeon. He literally had a licence to break bones and still he got suspended. No wonder he never goes into detail about it.

[@noell8460]

I've lost half a stone in about a month just from switching from "cola" to "diet" version

[@jeltoninc.8542]

That shit eats through your brain.

​@@jeltoninc.8542 there is literally no proof of that statement. Though Ill never recommend anyone to drink flavoured water in the first place.

[@srleplay]

I hope you find it so your stone is whole again

[@marcdaniels9079]

Cool. And you blood sugar and insulin will be thanking you

[@knutevids]

fta

[@rontiemens2553]

Yes, useless. Fiber did nothing for me except cause the very problems it is purported to solve. It did help me lose weight though, but only in the wallet.

[@Parker_Miller_M.S.]

What problems?

[@scotlynhatt]

So is there any possibility that all the benefits for reducing the listed metabolic conditions is suffering from unhealthy user bias? Meaning, if you do not have the chance of these conditions is fiber actually the golden ticket it is made out to be?

[@andrewstanworth4781]

2 views? Dang I'm early

[@billsalo2441]

Association studies cannot address risk nor cause and effect....

[@chrissparks7384]

Norton is ok… but his arrogance is annoying..

[@ChefJollyRoger]

The guy that yeals about HUMAN RCT doe not talk about human rct when he is talking to fiber 😂 everyday I'm loosing more and more respect for you.

[@DK-tq8pe]

We don't need fiber it to survive and thrive which is a fact.

[@Parker_Miller_M.S.]

We also don't need red meat or to consume saturated fat. Fiber may not be "essential" but the evidence for benefit is overwhelming and widely we see people do better with more fiber vs a fiber depleted diet besides in rare cases which are not representative of the norm.

[@adrianbuttigieg6643]

"...which is a fact", do you know what a fact is? 😂 Secondly, surviving and thriving are two completely different scenarios and therefore not sure why are you using them in conjuction?

[@thehealthguy101]

How about answering back to anthony chaffee regarding your blunder with studies, when you met a match that you can't handle, 🤣

[@Psych1_-]

Something to consider. Plant eaters like cows, horses etc start eating plants very young. Our farm we are feeding baby calves hay inside of 2 weeks. Humans on the other hand don't eat any plants for a long time. survive entirely on milk. I don't think fiber is that important for us. I personally feel much better on a low fiber diet. If you eat lots of fiber, and feel great. Hey more power to you and keep doing it. I just know that I personally don't feel well on it. Also my stool comes out perfectly on a low fiber diet. I don't have the runs, or constipation. I don't even need to wipe (I still do though). When I cut down on sugar, stool comes out perfect, and no marks on the toilet paper. So yeah I don't think fiber is necessary for using the toilet. I'm not carnivore, or keto.

[@hundredcrackvids]

@@Psych1_- What's your diet like? Roughly how much is protein/carbs/fats?

[@Davygan]

You're no better, sadly. I mean plant protein😏

[@williamhauser3686]

What's wrong with plant protein? Plant protein, meat protein, they're both good

[@Davygan]

@williamhauser3686 Nothing. Actually, plant protein is clearly superior, but Layne is biased and he knows it.

[@Teo_live]

​@@Davygan"clearly superior"? By what metric?

[@Davygan]

@ By health outcomes.

[@DragoNate]

if fibre helps stool pass faster, fine. and if that has benefits for whatever, fine. but honestly... who the absolute *_F_* _WANTS_ to 💩more or more often?!!? I absolutely H8 having to 💩3, 4, 5, sometimes f***ing 6 times in a day and literally INSTANTLY after taking a bit of a smoothie or some other fruit-filled whatever. It's a God d---ed waste of my effing time & energy, waste of water, soap, toilet paper and after the 3rd time going, I just wanna shower immediately but there's no point cuz I'll probably have to go AGAIN ONCE I'M OUT!!! I already have less of a life than I'd like, I don't want what I do have to spent 50% in the bathroom on the toilet, thanks.

[@jaghad]

Criticizing Shawn Baker, but doesn't dare to front Bart Kay. You are a 🤡 Layne.

[@Teddy-jf5xg]

jaghad and Bart Kay 👈🤡🤡

[@thereligionofrationality8257]

Fiber IS useless. Why did you add the question mark?

[@kavishU0902]

Why do you say it is useless?

[@thereligionofrationality8257]

@@kavishU0902 Because it is not necessary for humans to ingest it. It doesn't solve problems, it causes problems.

[@cuticlecuddlester]

Yikes. You might want to actually watch the video. 3:47 should be helpful to you.

[@Parker_Miller_M.S.]

Did you even watch the video? Making a claim without substance allows us to simply dismiss your claim without substance.