Yiquan Kungfu Master Tests Himself vs MMA Guys

[@zachcouch1987]

Two old guys having a fun time.

[@UoodsSawatphumi]

😂😂😂😂

[@ShenChang]

The Yi Quan guy is fighting for the first time in his life

[@LightGlyphRasengan]

I think this yiquan guy has good instincts when it comes to timing his shots, not so much when he's defending. I think if he pressure tested himself more he'd actually do alright, and spar someone more his size next time. I know that's a hard thing to find someone close to his height, but it's better to test when they aren't a foot and a half shorter than you

[@ytb460]

What is surprising is that most of this style videos feature this kind of stuff and they use bags and gloves and train to fight allegedly. Check out Lijianyu or Guoguizhi or even Wangxiangjie. They show real Northern dachengquan and are lively and attack.Tbis guy to me looks like a rush job. I don't see twitches or tendons or fa li or whole body body so it isn't dachengquan.

[@thunderstrike101]

May I recommend a breakdown of Buakaw vs Yi Long? That one was an epic fight.

[@ytb460]

I am guessing this is Yao style Yiquan. So, the senior Yao did a version to fight a boxer years back then standardised training and his kids continued it. The big issue is most look like this. They lack the base of standing practice and the all body power and real fail and are not on fire. They look mechanical. This looks like artificial moves without any power or engine. The complete opposite of what dachengquan should be. It should be built up and powerful and lively like a dragon or snake. This has been adapted and watered down too much. Send him back to standing for 10 years. It is shocking as dachengquan was the biggest style and the top guys beat everyone and welcomed boxers, judo guys...but now we have this where an alleged master cannot beat an old basic MMA guy. Meiyou mianzi.

[@Serega300nerevar]

Kung fu guy was pretty legit. I don't know why people hate him in comments.

[@uli9084]

I was asking myself the same in a real fight he would have land a lot

[@obiwanquixote8423]

I can’t believe I’m going say this, but I think people under estimate what gloves and stepping into a ring do to how you fight. The rules, gear and environment really determines the style. Another part of TMA that gets ignored is how many people who train it are doing it out of context. Can you really say you’re doing TMA if you just do the forms and none of the conditioning?

[@volatileepiphanies5547]

As someone who has moved back and forth from BJJ to MMA, yes the ruleset and gloves do affect things. Working BJJ with and without punches can be very different. However that line of thinking drifts too close to the sport vs street fallacy people make. Even with BJJ, there are still elements of the style that exist regardless of the ruleset. A rear naked choke is still a rear naked choke in the ring or wherever. A punch is still a punch, a kick is still a kick. We should acknowledge the affect rules make, but not go too far and use it to excuse a lack of performance in a style. Someone who can not defend punches in a ring is probably still going to struggle with punches in a non-ring environment.

[@BigHossHackworth]

I mean boxing works with and without gloves. Defenses are different for sure though

[@SanSolo22]

The gloves and rules make a big difference. Bareknuckle boxing and mma proved that point

[@戰國春秋]

​@@volatileepiphanies5547Not so, rear naked choke works on "whatever" because the technique involves using your arms against someone's neck, with no or very minimal clothing between them, so the condition to make rear naked choke work remains largely identical whether in the ring or on the streets. It's a completely different story from how boxing/mma gloves drastically affect the way a punch can be thrown and how much power you can put behind your punch without risking hand injuries. Naturally, striking styles are far more affected by this development than grappling/wrestling styles--you can't out-punch a boxer with rapid firing glove-enabled power punches without also learning the same glove-enabled power punches yourself (and thus become just another boxer), but you can out-grapple a boxer once you work out how to defend against his punches.

[@volatileepiphanies5547]

@@戰國春秋 I didn't say otherwise.

[@fhtswstudios4260]

That was nice seeing Kung Fu guys not going down after taking hits to the face unlike most others

[@memolano100]

Watch it a 2x speed and it looks like a normal fight. You are welcome.

[@sorearm]

Good commentary

[@CharlesBetancourt-iq9oe]

1:52 Fake mma master gets tagged with a left.😡😰😰😭

[@WongJunquan-cx8pq]

That is 5 animal fists and 5 element fist

[@ivanyardin9022]

My friend did Kung Fu and I have seen him tear through opponents on the street and in the ring. Master? Where? People like these give Kung Fu a bad name.

[@FightCommentary]

Please send any footage!

[@ivanyardin9022]

@@FightCommentary I lost touch with him for many years. Majority of fights were on the street and after you have one of these fights, you don't wanna advertise your face. He was the only guy that used pure Kung Fu technique and has was gooood. We fought a couple of times and neither of us won. I distanced myself from him as he was a ladies man and it was so embarrassing when he tried to pick up chicks every time we went out. He also had so many fights on the street and made enemies and I did not want to get involved as I had a young family.

[@ytb460]

@@ivanyardin9022 I knew of Choilifut guys like this who basically ended up in fights weekly. They liked it. Daily iron palm training may have contributed. There were guys in China too who just did the same to train. Wongsheunleung was allegedly a street fighter too before he did WC.

[@ivanyardin9022]

@@ytb460 I was a good fighter both in the ring and on the street but I either talked my way out or did no go to rough places but my friend did. I don't know if he is still alive or in jail. His brother was a bodybuilder and a bouncer. My friend was strong and became bigger after he did weights. He fought more on the streets that in the gym and I was the opposite. Where I live when you have streetfights expect retribution and so nowadays I walk away. A couple of years ago 2 guys tried to break into the house but I scared them away. They turned off the power and so it was pitch black. I wonder what that fight would have been like, fighting in total darkness.

[@Seattlefan77]

I've noticed that of the kung fu vs whoever fights I've been watching, the only time kungfu guys have success is when they ditch their traditional strikes and just switch to kickboxing

[@alexi9108]

The Yiquan guy is miles short of a "master". The mma guy offers so many opportunities he doesn't take advantage of.

[@alexdow8042]

two novices having sparring for like a second time in their life.

[@immortalwarrior2406]

If these are kung fu masters those must be mma masters😂

[@gungfurick1]

How can someone like this Calls himself a Kung-Fu MASTER ?!?!?!?

[@farkinarkin5099]

Maybe in a Kung-Fu video game? Its like he's rare thrown a punch before. I was waiting for an overhand right to floor him, but then again, the other guys were taking it easy.

[@tule8669]

If u mastered the forms force and combat apllication of all the moves of the kung fu style, thrn youre considered one. He still looks like a student. But he is getting more hits in than that boxer.

[@benconforzi5696]

@@tule8669 The thing about Yiquan, is that there is no form or technique. It's all about principle and having strong structure. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fJDOi2Wjm9aFZpI

[@SanSolo22]

Not all martial artist are fighters. Thats why

[@fabriciocaxias9572]

If China can call itself a democracy He can be a master

[@MM-mo2yc]

King Fu master vs KFC guy.

[@jardarnesse7824]

Two old guys having a good time, as first comment said. Sorry, this is beginners class.

[@太炫]

華人的功夫內容.拳.腳.擒拿.摔.暗術.醫.是不是已經超越MMA還包含MMA的觀念.沒有MMA的觀念為何會創造一些MMA的動作.可如今的功夫只能表演的原因. 尤其功夫他並不是以比賽發源的.是軍事防身.一直到明清後再慢慢改成表演.你可以看翻子拳跟戳腿的結合招招要你傷殘致命.在比較現代的功夫內容差異有些變動多了很多表演性質的招式.很多古拳法都是不能上擂台的.然後一堆人都不懂肌肉記憶的原理.然到現代格鬥都沒有肌肉記憶這塊

[@theshyboy]

Hey the kung fu guy didn't actually do that bad against the first guy. But uh, after watching so many kung fu master fights videos, is it just me or do a lot of the attack movements in those styles seem to be very...inefficient. Like it's more focused on looking fancy instead of delivering effective blows.

[@Autonamatonamaton]

I don't think most of them hit bags or pads, so they're just used to swinging at air. Once you actually make regular contact with a bag or pads, you start to easily tell which of your techniques carry power or not

[@thunderstrike101]

Most of it is supposed to be grappling and hand fighting but most modern practitioners don't know that, they just think everything is some kind of strike. KZbin doesn't let me post links but a good example is by Ramsey Dewey Open Hand Sparring: Bagua vs Wing Chun vs MMA

[@seanthomasmusic]

there isn't even any fancy movement... if anything kung fu's biggest asset is the hiding of normal strikes with abnormal entries and set ups. I've seen it done scarily well, but it seems like all the people who could make kung fu work don't have enough of an ego to post themselves fighting online.

[@KingWarCrown-jk8fo]

Just cause alot of those guys say they are kung fu Masters doesn't mean they know combat arts; there is nothing fancy about the art of Kung fu truly applied...it would rip a person apart- why you think they don't allow it to be used In UFC?

[@lexyvanderichyngmakani5754]

MMA guy looks novice..it's like watching a beginners class😂😂😂

[@charles824]

Some people just want to discredit mma that they even fight beginner practitioners to show their superiority. In the end everything just looks silly

[@Felipe-jl1ov]

1:14 i would be OK if this was BOXING Because the video "Boxing: Breaking the Clinch" teach the same thing. Working your punch to the bodys

[@danielcox7629]

The first MMA guy is pretty bad. Kung Fu guy has bad fitness.. gets tired quickly.

[@jamesasmith2494]

The kung fu guy is either afraid or terrible. His punches are slow and telegraphed.

[@colemanstarr5404]

Could have told you he was Yi Quan just by looking . YQ has a unique way of throwing strikes and generating power. He is triying to apply that, but has likely never tried it before in a truly competitive environment .

[@sedritzstrickland6790]

Why does this "master" look like a beginner ", who told him that...The Mma guy could really do some good work on him, but realized he is not that well experienced..

[@lonewolf.63]

Ok so who was the master? It actually looked like two 9th grade kids fighting?

[@DreanPetruza]

Are they all masters or you just call Kungfu practitioners "master"?

[@FightCommentary]

They call themselves masters.

[@gatocles99]

That is not Yiquan... that is just pathetic. An insult to the art. If you want to see real Yiquan/Taikiken... look up videos of Kenichi Sawai sparring with Mas Oyama.

[@ytb460]

I spoke to one of Sawai's senior classmates and he learned from Yao but very little and much was held back. Then the communists punished Sawai's classmates and his teacher for teaching a Japanese. They broke backs and the teacher had to hide. Later Sawai's student or students trained with the Yao brothers to kind of finish their training I guess. I trained in both and I would say that the Taiki version was more like early Yiquan but not as complete or powerful or electric as the real Beijing version. It is clear Sawai used his Japanese background as it shines through. Maybe I am wrong but I am yet to see any videos of excellent TKK. As from what I read he even didn't want to teach it and only taught a few ppl. He was broken after the war from what I read and pushing a Chinese art in Japan at that time must have been nearly impossible. Correct me if this is wrong. I met many decent yiquan ppl in China but none rated the Japanese version. Perhaps racism though. Impossible to say but all studied the art much much more that Sawai and cross trained with various people and did not do anything else.

[@BoatRocker619]

Old people fighting what is this

[@okachobired5856]

I see no master here. Looks like he just too a kickboxing course for a month.

[@rrivera-zh5zg]

Ima watching the same thing here 👀👀🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@pr3tty0bnoxious35]

when i was a kid i used to think kung fu was real and a dangerous technique that would turn anyone into a beast. now not so much

[@ironwill4706]

Patty cake patty cake BAKERS MAN

[@joshuajtm7202]

Nah i think they all do kung fu it even looks like a king fu gym thats been modernized even the Chinese kick boxing has better boxing than these gentlemen here

[@Anthony-tn6mu]

There is not a single Yiquan technique on show here. Fully fake practitioner.

[@Ulrickdg]

King fu, winchun suck on a real life or against a more real style like mma

[@shannonkelchner3163]

Lol

[@ЕвгенийЖулинский]

боец не понимает что такое ицюань, утеряли знания...

[@danielsymonds4370]

This is not a Kung Fu master!!! Come on now 🤦

[@nickdadon]

I saw zero king fu. Just really bad kickboxing…

[@jasonl5382]

Kung Fu master??? Really?? lol..... Both look beginners

[@anthonyperez2416]

😢wish I hadn't watch!

[@judosailor610]

I'm torn. On the one hand, I respect the kungfu guy for testing himself and trying to make his training work. But on the other hand, why waste your time trying to "make kungfu work" when you can just train in something that works to begin with? We know what works, people. We know what is effective. Just train that!

[@CharlesBetancourt-iq9oe]

See the video " An amazing kungfu vs. mma match" by fight commentary breakdown. It's now been proven that both kungfu and mma work.

[@judosailor610]

@@CharlesBetancourt-iq9oe I've seen it, and no it doesn't. What is proves is that the more time kung fu guys spend in real combat, the less what they're doing looks like kung fu and the more it looks like kickboxing. That's because real fighting very quickly weeds out all the nonsense that doesn't work, and reinforces the stuff that does. You see it with guys like Qi Lala. He started out doing wing Chun and now looks like it somewhat decent kickboxer. Another classic example is Bruce Lee himself. immediately after his challenge match with Wong Jack Man, Bruce Lee realized how lacking wing chun was. One of the first things he did was start watching and training some boxing and incorporating hooks and uppercuts and things like that. So my point is, if that's what happens to kung fu when you start to really pressure test it and apply it in real fights, why waste your time training it and why not just train in kickboxing in the first place! I think the evidence shows that they always end up looking like Kickboxers anyway. And lest you think I'm just picking on kung fu (and by the way, I realize that there are many different styles of kung fu) you see the same thing happened with ineffective Grappling systems like aikido. When aikido guys really start to pressure test their techniques in full on grappling matches, it starts to look like Judo. So again, you know, just train Judo. As I said, at this point we know what works and what doesn't. So just train something that works. Instead of trying to make something that doesn't work work, if you know what I mean.

[@judosailor610]

@@CharlesBetancourt-iq9oe Sorry for writing a novel! ha ha. But I also wanted to add that it's not just about technique either. It's also about how you train. Training like a combat athlete is a far superior way to train then more traditional methods. Hitting bags and pads, doing lots of live drilling, doing lots of sparring, and periodically testing yourself in fights against other people, that's what makes you a good fighter. And again, that's how Kickboxers train. (And the same is true with Grappling, except with Grappling stuff of course.)

[@CharlesBetancourt-iq9oe]

@@judosailor610 O. K. so what's your opinion on " kyokusjin karate". I mean in their system you have to fight 100 times to get your black belt. No?

[@judosailor610]

@@CharlesBetancourt-iq9oe Kyokushin karate is a combat sport. Therefore it works. It works because it has to work, because they really fight with it. Same thing with Judo for Grappling. Despite having some (what some people might call) traditional aspects to their training, for the most part they train like combat athletes. And that's what works.

[@leonardrussell1117]

That ain’t no kung fu😂

[@ytb460]

Yiquan was the Kung Fu that beat all others. The maker of it travelled around and even swapped notes at the Shaolin temple. Him and a Liuhebafa guy were seen as the top. He ended up living in a huge house near the forbidden city and judged competitions. His students were undefeated. One of his students influenced a big Karate style. So....how did we end up with this??????