Fighting Game Glance: Bowser (Beyond Melee)

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@zeldrio6079
@zeldrio6079 3 жыл бұрын
I didnt read the whole thing and I just thought it was a comprehensive video about how Bowser has evolved in the series since Melee. But this seems awesome too.
@theosouris7063
@theosouris7063 3 жыл бұрын
That would be a very interesting video.
@zeldrio6079
@zeldrio6079 3 жыл бұрын
@@theosouris7063 Yeahhh, if he ever did do a video like that, I think giving some props to mods like this or Project M is cool too. There are a lot of cool ideas for Bowser. Officially or not.
@jestfullgremblim8002
@jestfullgremblim8002 3 жыл бұрын
Same
@jestfullgremblim8002
@jestfullgremblim8002 3 жыл бұрын
I didnt know about this beyond melee mod
@supremechaosbeing2696
@supremechaosbeing2696 3 жыл бұрын
same
@cstick2664
@cstick2664 3 жыл бұрын
Project+’s bowser I feel rectifies a lot of the issues with this version. He has all his ledge options (plus a couple new ones) but he also has the ability to control neutral and approach with his fireball, which unlike Beyond Melee charges over time rather than requiring a grab (it also has a bite hit box when it’s not charged).
@KittSpiken
@KittSpiken 3 жыл бұрын
It feels like they were trying to give him a unique identity separate from PM/+, but 1. If you're not giving him armor, he's not PM Bowser 2. Don't cut off your nose to spite your face. Changing something for the sole intent of it being different is not a good reason.
@slimballs9650
@slimballs9650 3 жыл бұрын
And then there’s Smash Ultimate Bowser.
@tupactheory3739
@tupactheory3739 3 жыл бұрын
@@slimballs9650 ?
@King_Hehehe
@King_Hehehe 3 жыл бұрын
It feels to me like they WANTED Bowser to play aggressively, but didn't really know how to facilitate that. They added the fireball charging on grabs as an incentive for Bowser, but the thing is: Bowser players already love grabbing. But now people are going to be playing around Bowser's grab to avoid giving him an additional neutral tool, because you struggle in neutral until you have already won neutral. That's why I like the P+ fireball a lot better, to at least check opponents who are getting too passive or to give Bowser a way in if he's been struggling to. But only once in a while.
@fgfhjfhjfbhfghf5771
@fgfhjfhjfbhfghf5771 3 жыл бұрын
It's like the devs have never actually interacted with a single Bowser player
@Cristeve
@Cristeve 3 жыл бұрын
Oh, but nobody complains about how broken Star Fox characters are 😑
@docs.a.t.7161
@docs.a.t.7161 2 жыл бұрын
Spacies are very good, but they're the most honest top tiers (oddly). Their high falling speed makes them absolute combo fodder and their low weight means they die quicker, so certain lower tiers actually have a decent MU against em. Not a Melee player but if I was I'd rather face a Fox than a campy Puff or chaingrabbing Shiek
@SS2Balls
@SS2Balls 2 жыл бұрын
@@docs.a.t.7161 yep.
@Big_DONDO
@Big_DONDO 3 жыл бұрын
I would recommend to anyone playing any fighting game to very frequently, even just for fidgeting use hand grips to work your hands out, the positioning and spasming of your hands for fighting games is very awful for their health and I've found with daily use over the past 3 months any and all hand aches have stopped
@Sorrelhas
@Sorrelhas 3 жыл бұрын
Anyone giving health advice on KZbin comments is a Legend™ in my book
@lebrea4453
@lebrea4453 3 жыл бұрын
@@Sorrelhas indeed
@Se7enRemain
@Se7enRemain 3 жыл бұрын
The hardest part of playing a low tier in Melee is finding a match where people dont instantly quit
@BigYellowSilly
@BigYellowSilly 3 жыл бұрын
Funnily enough I've had less people quit vs my Bowser than my Mewtwo
@ShockwaveTLS
@ShockwaveTLS 3 жыл бұрын
@@BigYellowSilly I guess because of the combo food Bowser can be at times so they're like wooo combo practice or they think it's a free win or smth
@BigYellowSilly
@BigYellowSilly 3 жыл бұрын
@@ShockwaveTLS My favourite was a Pika who quit game 1, swapped to Sheik like the 8:2 matchup wasn't enough for them, and quit again when I hit them
@Parpeing
@Parpeing 3 жыл бұрын
@@BigYellowSilly yeah as much as the game is sick not even finishing that one match against a low tier shows that some (of us) melee players are big ol' pusssiiiiesssss ive had people quit as soon as i touch the b button with yink not even capping
@KittSpiken
@KittSpiken 3 жыл бұрын
How utterly spoiled.
@cb6983
@cb6983 2 жыл бұрын
Beyond Team: Hey so don't freak out but we kinda killed Bowser's up-special. Yellow: My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined. Beyond Team: But it looks like we somehow also killed Whispy in the process. Yellow: Sometimes one must lose the battle to win the war.
@supremechaosbeing2696
@supremechaosbeing2696 3 жыл бұрын
"You keep calling bowser dash grab bad, but you forget that he eats shit, which gives him more range" this isn't meant to say anything about bowser dash grab I don't even play melee
@Anna-vx2pe
@Anna-vx2pe 3 жыл бұрын
the part when youre just like "i did that animation" ffucking killed me ddue
@webbowser8834
@webbowser8834 3 жыл бұрын
It sure was an animation in a video game.
@Lurponk
@Lurponk 3 жыл бұрын
For a moment I thought this was a look at how good Bowser is in Brawl, Wii U and Ultimate lol.
@sonicphoenix7
@sonicphoenix7 3 жыл бұрын
bowsers the exact same character in brawl and hes mid tier in smash 4
@OG_DouG
@OG_DouG 3 жыл бұрын
@@sonicphoenix7 nah, he's mid high in 4. One of the best heavies in the game. Still remember his combo throw being stupid broken
@sonicphoenix7
@sonicphoenix7 3 жыл бұрын
@@OG_DouG yeah same with dk though im pretty sure hes higher than bowser on the tierlist
@OG_DouG
@OG_DouG 3 жыл бұрын
@@sonicphoenix7 there was genuine debate over who was better, now that im thinking of it. Both had good qualities, tbh, but personally it depended on your playstyle. DK was a bit more read based due to side-b and other moves like nair, and bowser had better tools in neutral, iirc. And since it was smash 4, everyone had combo throws, and both of them had some of the best in the entire cast
@Brawltendo
@Brawltendo 3 жыл бұрын
@@OG_DouG he also has one of the best pivot grabs in the game. Too bad Ult completely fucked up mixups like that since you can’t run through opponents.
@WM-xv1el
@WM-xv1el 3 жыл бұрын
Meticu's Bowser is his most goated rework tbh, BM Bowser has that omega Hugo feel to him. I wish he was as good was BM Roy
@crussteasock4047
@crussteasock4047 3 жыл бұрын
"Goated"
@generallytrash
@generallytrash 3 жыл бұрын
@@crussteasock4047 yes
@lebrea4453
@lebrea4453 3 жыл бұрын
@@crussteasock4047 yes
@RiahGreen
@RiahGreen 3 жыл бұрын
I'm so hyped for the cracked pack.
@lebrea4453
@lebrea4453 3 жыл бұрын
@@RiahGreen yes
@johnpearce7359
@johnpearce7359 3 жыл бұрын
Instead of his whole body flashing red, there should be little streams of fire coming from the corners of his mouth to indicate a stored fireball. Increase the fire for a full charge
@DoomRater
@DoomRater 3 жыл бұрын
Beyond Melee: instantly glaring down at you with a scene that can't decide whether it wants to be Vaporwave or Outrun
@seanm.9942
@seanm.9942 3 жыл бұрын
That first stage is outrun imo
@webbowser8834
@webbowser8834 3 жыл бұрын
For me, Ultimate Bowser is still the definitive Bowser. I love that they just made Bowser fast. Like, his ground speed is legitimately terrifying and his ability to just run up to you and grab you is just great. Also universal 3 frame jump squat baybeee.
@Neogears1312
@Neogears1312 3 жыл бұрын
See I think that’s boring. Maybe it’s just because I’m working on modding a game currently, but the idea of just ctr alt dlt’ing a major weakness to make them better makes the character less interesting, because now he’s the same character as everyone else but heavy. Despite bowser being the heaviest character in the game he plays no differently than a majority of the cast. For starters; If anything it’d make more sense for ganondorf to get that treatment. But ignoring that there could have been so many solutions for this issue like turning his fire breath into a fire ball (which is more accurate to bowser) that really lets him threaten his opponent or make most of his moves plus to sell the power, or hell make his shield monado shulk good. They could have really doubled down in making him a fortress of a character. But now he’s just generic character who’s only noteworthy for being the heaviest character in the game.
@webbowser8834
@webbowser8834 3 жыл бұрын
@@Neogears1312 The thing about Ultimate Bowser is that he still has several weaknesses. He has one of the slowest air drift rates in the game, making him very gimpable off stage. His moves have a lot of ending lag, so he can be punished very heavily for whiffing his moves. Big body means that when he does get hit, he's likely combo food. Having an excellent ground speed just gives him an option to force the opponent to defend against Bowser, as opposed to Bowser having to spend the entire game defending against the opponent, and I think that's good design for a giant monster character. Having a high ground speed is also a really neat nod to his boss fight in Super Mario Galaxy 1. In SMG1, Bowser is not slow or passive, he actively chases Mario down and forces Mario on the defensive for most of the fight. In order to win, Mario has to essentially trick Bowser into a vulnerable position, where Mario can score a counter attack. IMO the SMG1 Bowser fight is the best one in the entire series because it's the only one that sells Bowser as a giant monster that needs to be avoided by the player as opposed to having Bowser try to avoid the player like he does in Super Mario Odyssey or be an immobile object like he is in SM64 or Sunshine. So yeah, the idea of having a big fighter that's really fast on the ground but slow and clumsy in the air is good design and unique to the Smash series. I think the idea of slow giants with horrible movement options and frame data is outdated game design. I like that a fighter being big doesn't necessitate that they are also slow.
@AhsimNreiziev
@AhsimNreiziev 2 жыл бұрын
@@webbowser8834 I don't know if you'll see this, but: how do you feel about the Bowser encounter in _Super Mario 3D World_ ?
@webbowser8834
@webbowser8834 2 жыл бұрын
@@AhsimNreiziev Regrettably I never got around to finishing Super Mario 3D World. I should really get on that someday.
@microblast3700
@microblast3700 3 жыл бұрын
They take his invincible up b but fox and falco still have their frame 1 invincible reversal?
@BigYellowSilly
@BigYellowSilly 3 жыл бұрын
Man when you put it like that it kinda stings lmao, in fairness they don't get frame 1 invul out of shield, they have to go through jumpsquat
@bb010g
@bb010g 3 жыл бұрын
@@BigYellowSilly The obvious patch for all this is to allow down-B directly out of shield
@someoneusedtobeknown2645
@someoneusedtobeknown2645 3 жыл бұрын
Just gonna mention that that side-special back-throw is an animation in a videogame.
@RougeMephilesClone
@RougeMephilesClone 3 жыл бұрын
Cool! I hope this mod goes places in the future, it's already very promising. The devs were fast on hotfixing some assets used without permission. Some would beat on them for having them in the first place, but I'm more impressed by how few things needed to be removed. I was expecting a full original character to go, but no, they did much of the work on this themselves. Makes sense, considering the team's size. The idea of mods made with teams of 5+ people is still weird to me, but they're always either impressive or impressively volatile, so I welcome them.
@BigYellowSilly
@BigYellowSilly 3 жыл бұрын
I agree! There's a lot of stuff to like, and while there was defo a lot of issues at the launch, I understand that was the result of just because of a few mistakes from a few members of a 20+ team. Idk how much of this I'll play, but I really appreciate that it exists
@jeice2226
@jeice2226 3 жыл бұрын
Don't tell that to the people trying to tag Nintendo for a C&D
@ZachStarAttack
@ZachStarAttack 3 жыл бұрын
So hype when I saw this announcement haha, thanks so much for the video and everything that you do, glad to see that community post where you said that this KZbin gig is helpinng pay for your college, I love your videos and speaking mannerisms, thanks lots!
@thebenjiest4591
@thebenjiest4591 3 жыл бұрын
He literally has ultimate ivysaur down air
@ssbVanilla
@ssbVanilla 3 жыл бұрын
which was taken from project m
@illford
@illford 3 жыл бұрын
@Base Bass Forte this comment makes me sad because of the owo. Also PM is still a thing
@sashiboop
@sashiboop 3 жыл бұрын
I really like the changes to his normals, aerials, and grab, but I heavily disagree with the changes to his up-b for sure. While normally I'd agree with nerfing over-centralized moves, in the case of bowser it really compromises his identity and makes him lose a lot of the uniqueness of vanilla melee bowser. He's a literal turtle, of course he should be a turtling character instead of another rushdown, this isn't guilty gear lmao. Thankfully they still have time to tweak this stuff and I have a lotta hope for the future of this mod ^-^
@GhostsSoup
@GhostsSoup 3 жыл бұрын
Youre content has been gettin better and better. Love how youre blowing up. Good stuff my dude!
@Claudia-km9lo
@Claudia-km9lo 3 жыл бұрын
honestly thought this was gonna be a video on bowser's evolution from melee to brawl, 4 and ultimate, seeing how the character changed and such, this is really cool too tho
@HMN105
@HMN105 3 жыл бұрын
I really like this kind of video actually. Good to mix it up occasionally from fighting game garbage/gold. I think my fav version of bowser would still be his P+ iteration even though I still think he's a little too powerful in some ways. Loved the wispy rant at the end too lol
@notyou6674
@notyou6674 3 жыл бұрын
he should have flames in his mouth to show change, i bet there is already a fire texture they can modify for it in melee so it probably shouldn't be too hard
@bootieos7701
@bootieos7701 3 жыл бұрын
Are we getting a Fighting Game Garbage based on stages? I mean, that ending...
@fr0stdr4ke95
@fr0stdr4ke95 3 жыл бұрын
Bowser's best change in this was Ivysaur's Dair in Ultimate.
@OG_DouG
@OG_DouG 3 жыл бұрын
I thought the same. It's literally the same hitbox, plus a little bit of air stall added to it. That move could make a difference
@katsoupman3218
@katsoupman3218 3 жыл бұрын
So, I found this mod because of the video. Also has led me to try P+ for the first time. Thank you :)
@SmokePudding
@SmokePudding 3 жыл бұрын
Hope you're enjoying P+
@katsoupman3218
@katsoupman3218 3 жыл бұрын
@@SmokePudding I am thank you
@Bacchus325
@Bacchus325 3 жыл бұрын
No joke when Bowser did the slam throw I was thinking how cool it looked especially given the fact that is just didn't exist in the base game and how impressive it is that it can just be added in like that. You kinda read my mind.
@selvyucro
@selvyucro 3 жыл бұрын
If you wanna get better with Bowser, SkeletonSSBM has many tutorials on him! (Vanilla Bowser)
@SkeletonSSBM
@SkeletonSSBM 3 жыл бұрын
@selvyucro
@selvyucro 3 жыл бұрын
Videos like those are pretty fun to watch, keep up the good content :D
@myboy_
@myboy_ 3 жыл бұрын
Yellow is the king of using they/them without a second thought
@elianwyn
@elianwyn 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe instead of the whole body flash, he could have some embers around his mouth or hair. I agree that it just looks a little much.
@ZzigZaG00NIN
@ZzigZaG00NIN 3 жыл бұрын
18:19 I like how the crowd reacts to Bowser's ledge game
@fgfhjfhjfbhfghf5771
@fgfhjfhjfbhfghf5771 3 жыл бұрын
>we nerfed his up b out of shield to encourage aggressive play styles >Bowser no longer has an approach tool >???
@deathgardna
@deathgardna 3 жыл бұрын
itd be interesting to see you talk about pm bowser since the fireball feels reminiscent and i just think its a fun game.
@thiccnicc6848
@thiccnicc6848 3 жыл бұрын
Playing melee just to main bowser is like ordering a gourmet meal just to blend it and drink it like a smoothie.
@BigYellowSilly
@BigYellowSilly 3 жыл бұрын
mmm smoothie
@maybeheals
@maybeheals 2 жыл бұрын
15:07 dang bro, bowser just suplexed falco
@LnnyOsoTo
@LnnyOsoTo 3 жыл бұрын
Man I would really like an examination like this one with my favorite version of Bowser being the Brawl Minus. It's VERY different from any other version but goddamn do I just love landing the aerial neutral B command grab.
@meathir4921
@meathir4921 3 жыл бұрын
8:20 OH NOOOO WE ULTIMATE IVYSAUR IN HERE
@mechayoshi9250
@mechayoshi9250 3 жыл бұрын
Could you imagine. If the only thing they had made different about bowser were his jump squat, his turn around, and his landing, we could’ve had a viable vanilla bowser
@bb010g
@bb010g 3 жыл бұрын
Check out SD Remix & its Bowser. It's closer to what you're talking about.
@pumkinswift8263
@pumkinswift8263 3 жыл бұрын
You made an animation for this mod? That's so cool!
@pumkinswift8263
@pumkinswift8263 3 жыл бұрын
@UCM-vxdABQWre1p-rp3e2mTQ Yeah, he didn't make the mod. I know that. He said he made an animation that was used in the mod. Unless I misheard him.
@jameswickham4923
@jameswickham4923 3 жыл бұрын
That low angle fireball seems to set up perfectly into edge guards
@SocknessMonster
@SocknessMonster 3 жыл бұрын
I recommend to use the boxx for heavy input characters, my friends getting it in august for his hand issues
@karenwest6350
@karenwest6350 3 жыл бұрын
Have you ever thought of going to a box-style controller for the hand pains?
@BigYellowSilly
@BigYellowSilly 3 жыл бұрын
I'd love one but since I don't compete in Melee it's just too much of an investment for me, I'm just a guy who loves playing the game but that's as far as it goes for me
@illford
@illford 3 жыл бұрын
Too many racks for plastic
@karenwest6350
@karenwest6350 3 жыл бұрын
@@illford ?
@RosalinaSama
@RosalinaSama 3 жыл бұрын
what are your thoughts on pm/p+ bowser? i find him so fun in that that i just cant enjoy this version in comparison
@BigYellowSilly
@BigYellowSilly 3 жыл бұрын
P+ Bowser is the sickest character to ever be playable in a video game and 90% of that is cause of the Side-B dunk I love him with all my heart
@Bikee-uh6of
@Bikee-uh6of 3 жыл бұрын
@@BigYellowSilly does this mean we may get a fighting game gold on pm bowser?
@BigYellowSilly
@BigYellowSilly 3 жыл бұрын
@@Bikee-uh6of (:
@illford
@illford 3 жыл бұрын
@@BigYellowSilly Side special down is a really good move and a really good reference, since im pretty sure I've seen it in a Mario & Luigi game
@autumnshinespark
@autumnshinespark 3 жыл бұрын
@@BigYellowSilly at one point, Brawl Minus gave Bowser a Zangief running bear grab into four awesome throws. That was pretty sweet.
@TheManeMan420
@TheManeMan420 3 жыл бұрын
This glance series is gonna be nice keep em coming
@brandonburgos1215
@brandonburgos1215 3 жыл бұрын
PLEASE compare this to P+ Bowser. He came first and there’s some clear inspiration here.
@BigYellowSilly
@BigYellowSilly 3 жыл бұрын
Idk if I'll do a direct comparison, but P+ Bowser will probably get a video at some point, I absolutely adore that char
@brandonburgos1215
@brandonburgos1215 3 жыл бұрын
@@BigYellowSilly Armor for DAYS
@MopedOfJustice
@MopedOfJustice 3 жыл бұрын
Lucky for you, there's a good chance the devs will listen to you given your platform
@smashi_64
@smashi_64 3 жыл бұрын
I just realized that Bowser has a smaller version of Ivysaur’s DAir and damn,it looks sick.
@ashemabahumat4173
@ashemabahumat4173 3 жыл бұрын
Funnily enough, melee is my favorite rendition of the character in terms of animations and hitboxes. Yea, the frame data is shit but he has some pretty beefy hitboxes(shitty ones aside). Love the n-air and edge guard potential of the b-air, for instance. And whole his side-b ain't the best move, I like the basic animations it has and the fact that he has directional throws outta it. Don't like the bowser bomb after sm4sh, it lost its visual charm really quick
@Parpeing
@Parpeing 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly I have that feel with everything in melee, it all has amazing oomph and just, simple cleanliness to animations that make my inner artist happy
@SSJPENGUIN
@SSJPENGUIN 3 жыл бұрын
Hard agree! The melee jump squat etc really communicate his weight and power, in a way the later games don't! Doesn't make for a great fighting game though hahaha
@Parpeing
@Parpeing 3 жыл бұрын
@@SSJPENGUIN *For a great fighting game character Melee is tight, bowser is ass But that does make bowser a tight ass lmao
@moosesues8887
@moosesues8887 3 жыл бұрын
@@Parpeing what the fuck is a artist my guy tf???
@Parpeing
@Parpeing 3 жыл бұрын
@@moosesues8887 people who eat crayons
@TSMSnation
@TSMSnation 3 жыл бұрын
The fireball should totally look like the fireball he has in super mario bros
@goon5665
@goon5665 3 жыл бұрын
My change would simply make his side b have a up and down throw. Down throw is the kill throw and up throw allows for juggling
@Pinkanator
@Pinkanator 3 жыл бұрын
Literally could hear you talk about anything man, super glad to have more stuff from you. Sidenote, curious if there's any guest characters you're familiar with worth discussing, call it a personal fixation but i've always been *fascinated* by the meta applications of "weird ass guest characters" that get left behind. The Jedi in Soulcal 4, SFxT's *5* guest characters, especially Cole, the MK Slashers, idk I've always been super curious about how they ended up.
@rezzthecontroller790
@rezzthecontroller790 3 жыл бұрын
I did have fun with this overall, but I'm most likely going to stick with PM/P+. I wish the best for this mod and its future though.
@star_duck
@star_duck 3 жыл бұрын
This final destination looks like Smash 64s
@NeptuneTG
@NeptuneTG 2 жыл бұрын
coming back to this video, they reverted bowser's up b some time ago
@BigYellowSilly
@BigYellowSilly 2 жыл бұрын
Yo you love to see it
@muttiilpomodoro4354
@muttiilpomodoro4354 3 жыл бұрын
I hope that they change back the mobility for the up b, i see why they culd have changed that for the mod, but looking at other chactartes moves, aprocah and options, it just make sense to give bowser a bit more mobility, or keep what he had in melee
@JustaSoup
@JustaSoup 4 ай бұрын
I like the old vanilla dair. Stomp type moves are dime a dozen and there aren't that many drills even less with those that have a grounded hitbox, and it differentiates him as a pressure heavy grappler while DK's more focused on neutral.
@Kotasake
@Kotasake 3 жыл бұрын
Yo this page is blowing up big yellow💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿let's goooo
@TurbinationE
@TurbinationE 3 жыл бұрын
One of Bowser's best approach tools in Melee is actually dash attack into ASDI down. If both you and the opponent put out a hitbox, they'll trade, then you'll ASDI down land cancel and be able to combo off of it.
@hoota_sixtyfour2581
@hoota_sixtyfour2581 3 жыл бұрын
Literally the first thing I did when booting up BM was going to training mode and cheking Bowser... Even when I'm not a Bowser player myself.
@danthewafflelord3059
@danthewafflelord3059 3 жыл бұрын
Babe wake up, new Big Yellow vid just dropped
@Vulgun
@Vulgun 3 жыл бұрын
That down air is legit just Ivysaur's but better.
@JKDontJudgeMe
@JKDontJudgeMe 3 жыл бұрын
the opinion on dead whispy killed me but indeed, you're right.
@Nuno_Syst3m
@Nuno_Syst3m 3 жыл бұрын
Beyond melee is such a cool game, I love it
@ink3487
@ink3487 3 жыл бұрын
Damn Big Yellow got the dead melee hands, time for him to get a Boxx Ig
@illford
@illford 3 жыл бұрын
too much money for melee bruh
@Austingame
@Austingame 3 жыл бұрын
BRO id love to see a full video from you on beyond melee. That'd be a must watch for me
@snolidice
@snolidice 3 жыл бұрын
17:59 i agree and its ashame they removed his mobility. this is kinda how i feel about beyond melee puff sucks both got this treatment
@gamesandluigifan7152
@gamesandluigifan7152 3 жыл бұрын
I always wanted to ask and now seems to be the best time so: Do you plan on making a video on Giga Bowser like you did for the Wireframes?
@BigYellowSilly
@BigYellowSilly 3 жыл бұрын
I do, but only after I cover base Bowser in Melee, also I'm not sure if it would be Fighting Game Gold or Garbage, because he is kinda busted, but it's mainly due to one absolutely insane move while the rest of him is ok
@mcklucker17
@mcklucker17 3 жыл бұрын
@@BigYellowSilly I think that fact definitely qualifies him for Garbage. He is bottom 2.
@car-keys
@car-keys 3 жыл бұрын
i love the idea of a grappler earning fireballs for grabbing
@syrelian
@syrelian 3 жыл бұрын
The problem is largely that it is a reward that fails to be rewarding, fireballs are for gaining momentum in a neutral game, getting your fireball for having already won neutral(possibly twice or more, not every neutral win resolves to grab, much less special grab) is a poor win-more that doesn't actually do much, especially cause you only get a single fireball Limited fireballs on grapplers work, Iron Tager does it with a timer, but it doesn't work great when you both don't start with it, and have only a single one when you get your grab, a single one thats kinda terrible unless you get a second grab without using it(which just emphasizes the win-more thing without making it good), or land your special throw
@Ingutt
@Ingutt 3 жыл бұрын
I'd probably change neutral B by having charging it accomplished by holding down the button instead of by grabbing, having it fire upon release of the button, and giving the uncharged version a hitbox with about the same properties as the lv1 fireball.
@bulletcola7890
@bulletcola7890 3 жыл бұрын
I am kind of interested on how you think of Fay considering that I sort of see her as a more "Explosive Disjoint" variant of the Spacies, which seems interesting for a Spacie imo.
@derpyquagsire6678
@derpyquagsire6678 3 жыл бұрын
Which would be stronger in melee, melee bowser or smash ultimate bowser but can’t do any melee tech?
@BigYellowSilly
@BigYellowSilly 3 жыл бұрын
I would say Ult Bowser but I would still prefer Melee Bows cause Ult Bowser is the least interesting character in fighting game history
@byel2844
@byel2844 3 жыл бұрын
this mod is fucking goated
@InfiniteJexulus
@InfiniteJexulus 3 жыл бұрын
Shadow Mewtwo? Now that’s a surprise. I kinda want to see that.
@classyrainbowhead
@classyrainbowhead 3 жыл бұрын
you realy gave bowser wild throw
@iiequinox8044
@iiequinox8044 2 жыл бұрын
I think you would really enjoy Project+'s iteration of bowser. He feels like a melee bowser on steroids with some cool new tools like his neutral B and down B.
@ssbmskullbasher1138
@ssbmskullbasher1138 3 жыл бұрын
i love my boi pichu in this game (beyond melee) although i think his up b should return to what it was before because its alot slower now
@rubenantao2476
@rubenantao2476 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I think that if they made his neutral b a command grab then he can get a grab, do some damage and gain a charge maybe follow up with the projectile after too. A little like lucario side b
@Barveth
@Barveth Ай бұрын
15:16 wait, you worked on SSB Melee? sorry I didn't get it
@salemmetal6433
@salemmetal6433 Жыл бұрын
Genuinely curious about your thoughts on Project+ Bowser
@VAIZEN
@VAIZEN 3 жыл бұрын
Ma boi Bowser!❤❤❤💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻I still love him!
@ShinSHOGO
@ShinSHOGO 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder what are the changes for BM Samus, and if she’s better or worse for it.
@BigYellowSilly
@BigYellowSilly 3 жыл бұрын
Pretty simple changes overall, bomb jumping is nerfed, but she has much better rolls and a new Up Smash that actually works
@PineapplePineapplePineapplePin
@PineapplePineapplePineapplePin 3 жыл бұрын
Ok but what about Smash Remix Bowser
@Harmless_Music
@Harmless_Music 3 жыл бұрын
The analysis is a good takeaway for grapplers in general. Giving them options to fight in neutral is good, but keeping the character identity is even more important. Bowser no longer having frame 1 Up-B hitbox just doesn’t feel right at all.
@hoagieland3716
@hoagieland3716 3 жыл бұрын
I’d love to see some more fighting game garbage about some of the smash games (most if not all of the good characters have already been covered in extensive detail by a lot of people)
@KittSpiken
@KittSpiken 3 жыл бұрын
No changes to down b? To Beyond Melee, take the jump cancel on grounded down b from PM/+. It's nasty for combos, everybody loves it.
@jeff6543
@jeff6543 3 жыл бұрын
Song name from the start? I’ve heard it everywhere
@BigYellowSilly
@BigYellowSilly 3 жыл бұрын
World 8/Bowser theme from Super Mario 3D World
@Rukir
@Rukir 3 жыл бұрын
The mod has the dog from Star Fox 2 so regardless I have to download it.
@Mushroomhead671
@Mushroomhead671 3 жыл бұрын
If you want a really fun Bowser, check out Brawl Minus Bowser. Just about everyone in Minus is amazing to play, but Bowser truly shines in that mod. His aerial neutral B is something to behold.
@Cristeve
@Cristeve 3 жыл бұрын
I think anything that makes him better is fine, and it's ridiculous to think they're giving him to many buffs but nobody complains about how broken are Star Fox characters
@ZachStarAttack
@ZachStarAttack 3 жыл бұрын
Just finished the vid, yeah, I can agree that the mobility changes are not only unessesary because Bowser still sucks ass, I mean look at that endlag on his aerials lol, but it also ruins the spirit of the character, like, imagine nerfing Marth by making his wavedash or dash dance slower, you'd be hung at the stake because that free flowing beautiful movement is what makes Marth fun just like Bowser schmoooving at the ledge. I hope they can give bowser a better ledgedash too lol. P.S. holy hell you main bowser in melee? Props to you I could never, I fancy myself some doc/luigi/gannon but I've never stooped that low, I'm not strong enough
@BigYellowSilly
@BigYellowSilly 3 жыл бұрын
I'd never feel right changing a character's mobility honestly, that's just so key to how they play yano
@araknair9605
@araknair9605 3 жыл бұрын
I love Bowser in Project + (especially his mobility and new neutral B) , It would be sick if the base neutral B (no charge) worked as a fixed knockback move. In P+, uncharged neutral B does a bite attack that does this and I think it suits him beautifully. Although I watched some gameplay, and I think your idea of base neutral B charging your shot makes more sense, as it would force opponents to approach him.
@hewhoinvadeshomes2272
@hewhoinvadeshomes2272 3 жыл бұрын
Big fan of the new format
@mrmolasses5888
@mrmolasses5888 3 жыл бұрын
how are you able so frame advantage and hitboxes?
@BigYellowSilly
@BigYellowSilly 3 жыл бұрын
Most modded versions of Melee replace Tournament mode with Debug mode, if you set the Debug to Develop, you can toggle all sorts of stuff in training with D-Pad + Button
@mrmolasses5888
@mrmolasses5888 3 жыл бұрын
@@BigYellowSilly thanks a lot man
@reisjames1
@reisjames1 3 жыл бұрын
Seems like bowser can get a full charge fireball rather than the small one from one grab and a pummel. Not just two grabs Also sometimes I got a grab and didn’t get any charge which was really weird. Might be a bug?
@BigYellowSilly
@BigYellowSilly 3 жыл бұрын
I've had the same thing happen to me, it's a lil odd for sure
@jameshardenJr.
@jameshardenJr. 3 жыл бұрын
Bro ur channel name gives me haunting hour flashback anxiety
@nixuniverse5240
@nixuniverse5240 3 жыл бұрын
Could you do Zelda next ? I played her in Melee but unfortunately don't have access to this MOD to see the changes they made with her.
@cruzp3t3rson
@cruzp3t3rson 3 жыл бұрын
@big yellow how did you access hitboxes on beyond melee
@BigYellowSilly
@BigYellowSilly 3 жыл бұрын
Go to Tournament Mode, which is now replaced by a debug menu. Change the Debug level from Master to Develop, go ingame and pressing R + a direction on the D-Pad will show your own or you and the opponent's hitboxes
@WilfredCthulu
@WilfredCthulu 3 жыл бұрын
Damn even Raichu is up in this bitch? I hope Akaneia build can get a roster like this sometime.
@illford
@illford 3 жыл бұрын
Akaneia build seems more like a P+ deal where it's intended as a solid base game, which makes sense since Beyond Melee is based on it, pretty sure the wolf is an edited version of that one.
@zeldrio6079
@zeldrio6079 3 жыл бұрын
I didnt even SEE Raichu before you mentioned it. Now I want to see a video on THAT. LOVE that guy!
@wcvince
@wcvince 3 жыл бұрын
I can't remember the music playing during the video and it's bothering me
@BigYellowSilly
@BigYellowSilly 3 жыл бұрын
SM3DW World Bowser theme
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