Fighting in Woods

Early 80's Army training film, sadly not complete don't know what happened to the end bit, lost in time somewhere I guess. Interesting however for all spotters out there is that although made in 1982 the guys in the film are wearing the steel helmet replacement battle bowler. I wasn't isssued that until 88, thats 6 years more of having that woodpecker drilling through your skull during runs, section attacks etc more than I needed to have!

[@ianblanthorn]

I was in this film. It was made in 1982 in Sennelager Germany. The film was made by No 2 Company and the Anti Tank Platoon from 2nd Bn Grenadier Guards based at Oxford Barracks in Munster.

[@whoflungdung1046]

What year did you get those helmets issued? My battalion didn't get them till 1986, 1RGJ

[@whoflungdung1046]

@stanly stud Tidworth

[@whoflungdung1046]

@stanly stud Yeah our 3rd bn. We moved to Osnabruck I think about late 86.

[@officerponcherrello1182]

Who were the Sapper Unit?

[@badmonkey2222]

@stanly stud yea I'm a vet of the 82nd airborne 321 combat artillary regiment 18th battalion and I've worked with those pricks myself, utter cocks is putting it lightly.

[@badgertheskinnycow]

When training films were made the troops were often issued trials kit to wear/use so that the film would not look dated too quick. Note the helmets have trials issue covers (without the loops of elastic on the cover). Another bit of trials kit in the film is the LAW 80 which was not issued till a long time after this.The film is dated 1982 and would have been produced prior to this date.

[@MrZnarffy]

Worst things from exercises was finding all your dummy mines you had dug down. Even with the most perfect mine map, its still a bloody pain to find them all.

[@anttitheinternetguy3213]

Oh yeah. It was a treat To crawl on all fours sticking a knife into gravel for hours on end. Almost makes one pray the mine being a real one instead of fake one and detonating it

[@BillyNoon]

@@anttitheinternetguy3213 Surely you sussed just dig the 'ole and leave the buggers in the box, ENDEX and theyve been recovered and miraculously filled the oles in themselves.

[@SimDeck]

I'm an ex British Army Infantryman. Royal Green Jackets. When I was in basic training these sort of films were what I nodded off too after a hard days work. NBC, Anti Tank training and assault courses. Trying to put together 58 pattern webbing etc. Incredible to watch this stuff now.

[@nobbytang]

Sim Deck ...well done mate and was it your regiment that burnt the whitehouse down ?...

[@cryptohunt2552]

Ex KOSB here.

[@justdustino1371]

@Big Bill O'Reilly You do know we'd be at war with Russia and Iran right now if Hillary Clinton had been elected, right? We didn't vote "for" Trump so much as against Hillary......and she has a severe Sociopathic/Psychopathic personality disorder and those who worship her are weak minded.....

[@williameddlewis4625]

must be nice to see them for the first time

[@ironhand9096]

Sim Deck half of my old section are still trying to put their 58 pattern webbing together, no ones seen them in over 25 years.

[@jakobsarc]

Full version recently available. Title: Corps of Royal Engineers - Vintage Fighting in Woods VT.

[@smp220700]

No sorry I have a couple of more modern ones but I'm a bit reluctant to upload them, for fear of being taken outside and shot.

[@calgary3357]

uplooooooad

[@ashleyhexenrai64]

Daddy was a Tanker back then. I was born at Fort Riley Kansas but Daddy got stationed there in Germany at Weisbaden. I lived in Germany for six years. It is fascinating to see what was going on during the Cold War. We had bug out bags packed in case we had to get to Rhein Mein in a hurry. Go Weisbaden Warriors!

[@westpointsnell4167]

Go Mannheim

[@WALancer]

Your new mission in life is to find the ending of that video. This and the section attack are god damn epic.

[@catherinecrafts]

So I wasnt the only army child whose dad brought home training videos to watch as adventure films. Lol good times. My anti drugs education was a film where a mortar team were firing and one of the mortar team was on drugs and ended up putting another round down the tube whilst the first had yet to clear the tube!

[@wessexheathen5708]

I was a training video watching, pad brat too!! Happy days!!🇬🇧

[@usmarox]

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING! My dad used to bring this home (on VHS) for me to watch when I was 7 or 8. Mint.

[@wessexheathen5708]

Mine too!! #padbratfun 🤣🤣🤣

[@buckplug2423]

Now that's one cool cartoon

[@simonjones3863]

I did a few years of reserve infantry before I went reg force. Good times in the field, this sure brings back memories.

[@tommcdaniel2208]

Excellent. Just as good advice in 2019 as when filmed. Thanks for posting.

[@Community-Action]

That guy has absolutely no chainsaw control!! He is definitely from the city

[@pdallen8355]

Most probably an Assault Peon not a Sapper.

[@Gregman420]

LMAO! Assault Peon

[@MrTristanryan]

Yep, exactly what I was thinking, I just want to run a file over that chain! Every bloke thinks he can operate and maintain a chainsaw, but in my experience very few can. Mind you I'm a terrible shot! Ha

[@anttitheinternetguy3213]

This is pretty much the same crap what we exercised in 2014 in finnish army. There are some things that seem really outdated, such as forward trenches. In finnish army we were never told To dig trenches, only foxhole. Theres also a manual how to dig a enlarged two Man foxholes that have a log and mud based roof that is supposed To protect from shrapnel, but I never saw one. Besides, it seems military experts expects conflict nowadays be So mobile there is no reason To dig in too deep. But heres a neat trick: theres a part on this video where guys are clear sticks and braches from ground To give MG a clear view. In finnish upkept forests theres not much braches laying around and most of the trees are pinetrees with branches reaching ground. We were told To cut away the very lowest of treebranches from pinetrees So when the enemy advances defenders laying down can see enemys feet but enemy cant see anyone. That was sly af and it even worked. Also because of the Woodland combat finnish army does have some strange and unique tricks we are proud of, for example we are taught how to dive down a certain way. Theres like 4 phases To dive To your stomach So that you are ready To open fire amazingly fast. The secret is To extend your weaker side hand forward and land on your weakhand side. For a month we were told To dive down until we got amazingly good at it. We were ready To open fire after a dive almost as fast as if we were standing up. The camouflage is a great part of finnish infantry pride too. Using leaves, grass and Moss we were able To camouflage ourselves ourselfs So good we had To be careful not to step on each other. Literally. These brits shown here have pretty damn good camo. Oh yeah. Theres also this tradition To never turn rotating clockwise. Always counter clockwise. This is supposedly due To some old marching orders. Not surprisingly No one followed that tradition unless in parade or marching.

[@tomservo5347]

You never know as history shows. The Germans thought static warfare a thing of the past and fully expected a war of fluid maneuvering with their Schlieffen Plan of August 1914 that degenerated into brutal static trench warfare. Offense versus Defense is always in a struggle with one or the other temporarily getting the upper hand. The poor sods attacking fortified trenches learned this first during the US Civil War and on a greater scale during WWI where barbed wire and the machine gun reigned supreme.

[@georgemorley1029]

“Antii Tank” the internet guy. This stuff is doing the Ukrainians quite well at the moment.

[@ewaldseiland8558]

Good god those Ruperts, digging up our forests and blowing up our trees... splendid chaps though

[@jiggajigjones8210]

charles hedberg dick

[@kennebecsmitty]

I sure remember those days with our Brit Bros!

[@jasonlettorale5177]

The United Kingdom's military when well fit, trained and finished, is second to none and the soldiers are the true personification of the professionalism.

[@9214cleat]

cheers for putting this vid up mate

[@wolfibau4202]

at this time 1982 the situation in occupied germany it was desperate if really the soviet troops from their part started an offensive against the western parts but the brits would fight like hell against the soviets

[@lewisdean22]

This must have been a training platoon, I don't think anyone has the new combat helmet at that time.

[@nacholibre1962]

The main lesson to be taken from this video is: It sucks to be 4 Platoon!

[@louiewatson9389]

I always hate how fast they go over the battle plan. I can't write fast enough to keep up.

[@eliane2743]

I was trained as an infantry officer in the French army in the late 80s. I got the same training. Notably, the very last part brings back memories of the feelings we had when our instructors clearly told us about the rain of artillery we could expect as a first response, including chemical ammunition. And the landmines... how useful they are in such situations. I have never understood why western armies have relinquished them. These were rules of engagement. Not the one-hand-tied-in-the-back type we see in all these asymmetrical fights of today. Ah, and... around 10:50, I see a blackface... I am terribly triggered. Once I have recovered from the shock I will report this immediately!

[@barrykhan6150]

Cage Fighto

[@ottodidakt3069]

Légionnaire I suppose ?

[@eliane2743]

Otto Didakt - No, Chasseurs - light infantry in English. The Légion was not part of the troops supposed to stem the red invasion - with the exception of Légion troops rotating in Berlin, but this was another story. The film brings back more eerie memories. I now remember that the whole idea we were supposed to be part of was to block the Soviets and their allies, forcing them to concentrate, so that nuke strikes could be most effective... as I said, this was the real thing indeed. Of course the question of knowing whether we would have had time to withdraw before the strikes was left unanswered.

[@eliane2743]

Otto Didakt - strangely enough I cannot see your last reply in full in the comment section of the video. Well, your French is good as well... and this from a Frenchman. Parce que je suis français, effectivement. As to the type of Chasseurs: j’étais dans les Chasseurs à pied (30e Groupe de Chasseurs). It was motorised infantry. The barracks were in Lunéville, in eastern France. In case of war we were supposed to rush into Germany with the rest of the division and army corps (honestly I do not remember the exact identification numbers nor the order of battle) and join the French forces already there and the US troops in Southern FRG. As to the doctrine, these were the 80s, so tactical nuke was part of the picture, all the more so for French forces because it was conceived as a last warning before the strategic strikes: first we blast some of your divisions approaching the French border... if you do not stop and cross the border, invading the sanctuary, we blast Moscow, Leningrad, etc. At least this was the theory... good old days of nuclear deterrence.

[@buckplug2423]

@@eliane2743 It's quite ironic that such a dangerous and deadly situation - a confrontation of powers never seen before on Earth, a situation which has historically always led to war - is what caused peace in Europe over the last 70 years.

[@AGROH20GROW]

5:22 LOL MASSIVE wood piles in Germany lol. No Joke!

[@simonyip5978]

Amazing that the FV-432 APC was in this video from 1982 and it's still being used in 2018 (I think it has been upgraded to the 'Bulldog' version, but several hundred are still in service nearly 50 years later). Originally in service in the 1960's.

[@cray2349]

I drove one of those for 3RGJ in 1982-1983. Great times. Though I wonder what would have happened had the Soviet Forces with their 50,000 tanks within 24hrs of the border invaded. I was in Anti-Tanks with Milan on board. Although we had firepower & technological advantage, they had advantage of numbers... 🤔

[@AnonymousCaveman]

Splendid video!

[@erich.marks0]

ça c'est un des bons coté des anglo saxons, toujours des vidéos, films d'instruction concrets. Je crois que j'ai jamais vu ça en France dans n'importe quel domaine.

[@britishpolitics2812]

All the mustachios.

[@steved3418]

Ref: Battle Bowler - Thats the first issue of the helmet in this film - we did the First NECIC competition in 1983, and we were issued with it for the duration - we had to hand it back in, post the competition. In 88 when we received the normal issue, there were some changes - I remember the first one we were issued, had very poor ventilation, and if felt like our brains were boiling - still better than the "Tin Toby"

[@tonyaughney3302]

Please please please can some one upload the rest of this film.

[@buckplug2423]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/rIKzpaGOndSpnJY Bit late

[@iansoutryer3189]

Quote. "So now, everything is ready. All we have to do is wait". Thank goodness no one ever showed up...

[@daddybeagleaz907]

The Brits are through and professional, I've worked with them.

[@ironhand9096]

You guys are the same, great combination of two warrior creeds.

[@jiggajigjones8210]

We Britannic peoples are great warriors.

[@marcuscribbhistory]

There used to be a 2 part video, I thought it was called "contact" following a Battalion digging in, does any one know where I can find this and pass it on to some recruits!

[@muwuny]

Not only are these guys wearing Mk6 helmets, but it looks like they have trials BCH boots, their unit must've been part of some trial or something.

[@BillyNoon]

Youll notice the Rupert at 4:20 has deployed the Mk4 Dodgy Eyebrow to look scary, instead of the usual shite cam cream!

[@danielmarshall4587]

Wow thank you for the upload

[@danielmarshall4587]

Scary stuff. " I say, you there, man with the GIMPY. You stay here and give covering fire so we can bugger off, JOLLY GOOD!".

[@danielmarshall4587]

"sarnt" Moore, looks unimpressed by the kid dishing out orders. Also the suggestion of using doors "from nearby houses"............ I've not been to that part of Germany, but from the aerial shots I was unable to see many "houses".

[@ronin2999]

"Right....move"...love the brits

[@danielwoodruffe2938]

Reassuring to see 2 Bn Grenadier Guards with standard-issue, 1980s "Porn Tashes" ;)

[@jimdoyle8757]

Swift and bold 👊

[@ivontrutnev2207]

they r prepared

[@smp220700]

@SPICYMOOCHOO Oooh technical question don't know what mark it was but it was a vast improvement over the old tin lid that was to all intent pretty much the same as we used in WW2. I believe with a few small changes it is the helmet in current issue

[@ozdavemcgee2079]

Ohh much more exciting than Australian ones of the same era. Although, where that digger is laying mines tsk tsk. In the Australian Army he'd have had his arse kicked laying his SLR down like that on the road, without setting the carrying handle to peep it out of the dirt. The arms were similar to ours, obviously not uniforms or webbing. We used alice gear bumbpack US water bottles and Aust made pouches that could hold 4 SLR mags each side, big enough to hold 30rd mags to, as we still used Brens as well here and there

[@markpaintner8365]

Using Napalm in the Woods will eliminate the assets. Brutal but effective.

[@zahadaq]

Wow, thanks. Strangely familiar and still valid today.

[@leighbnp]

Go on The Grenadiers!

[@SloveneAnon]

That section where they install cassette mines made the me do a double take lol. Forgot those were still legal back then.

[@buckplug2423]

Yeah, I was like "emmm, you sure you want to film that?"

[@ajb7876]

8.44 Off Route Mine,god I hated those things,heavy as fuck to carry and fiddly as hell to get set up.

[@dragondynastywarrior506]

I understand that the L1A1 SLR is outdated for modern combat philosophy, but there's a beauty in watching the British armed forces pre 1985 carrying that weapon about. Very nostalgic.

[@thecurlew7403]

Well its a heck better than sa 80 should have been updated with optic rails a little lighter there be no fuss over body armour 556 wont work at longer range.

[@glennh3977]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh, the good old days...........

[@JohnCBobcat]

I believe, though I'm no expert, that this would be the Mk.V, which superseded the Mk.IV "Turtle Shell" steel helmet (which is on display, I think, in the "Section Fire and Manoeuvre" series of videos), which was an update of the late-WW2-era Mk.III original "Turtle Shell" steel helmet, which replaced the WW2 Mk.II "Brodie" helmet, which itself was a slightly improved Mk.I "Brodie" of WW1 service. If I recall correctly (not sure), the Mk.V has been replaced by the Mk.VI "Battle Bowler" helmet.

[@SPICYMOOCHOO]

Thanks!

[@MrSlitskirts]

Interesting documentary, and this would have been around the time of the Falkland Islands Campaign.

[@mckinleygraves6721]

A little before

[@daddybeagleaz907]

I wonder if any of these guys would have fought in the Falklands

[@SmokeDog1871]

@@daddybeagleaz907 This looks like a mechanized regiment, Falklands was all their elite light infantry units

[@JohnCBobcat]

Pity about the end bit being missing. Hopefully it can be found & posted someday, though.

[@Rennfahrer555]

Do you have any more videos like this ? particularly recce or fieldcraft? Cheers

[@halofreekreed3573]

I need that shovel!!!!!!.

[@Nightmonkey17]

Great video. Do you one on urban warfare?

[@patmcnamara9081]

I actually saw this video I forget whether it was 60 minutes or some kind of special on the military

[@AsDeadAsDillinger]

A bit of the old _'FIWAF'!_ _Have you got 'I can't answer that question' (starring 'Jim Macdonald') ?_ I'd really like to see that one again.

[@jaker9556]

back in the day, my dad was 2gg passed out and posted to munster in 81

[@Mdfitri-jq6rb]

saya tak sabar latihan tempur macam ini huh minggu depan berjumpa krusus ini

[@GRoy]

great vid wish we could find the ending or even the name of it to start

[@doublefeed732]

@9:09 well I don’t think they ever had to worry about their chainsaw blowing up😂 even with a Chain as dull as that one haha

[@frankcoala5890]

(11:40 min.) was an BMP1! 3rd Worldwar broke out in the early 80`s, and went unnoticed!

[@DanielSan1776]

Claymores are fucking insane. 60 meters! That’s half a football field

[@Panzerbeast]

Added to my watch later list. :)

[@martyn420]

The helmet is the M76 with a DPM cover - the Mk 6 is distinguishable by its three-point harness. However, the M76 was only issued in theory to the Parachute Regiment. Why have the Grenadier Guards been issued with the M76?

[@maxbodymass]

Helmet is Helmet GRP aka NI helmet issued around 1974 /5 time for runner of M76 and MK6. It means the jack B**** had gone to Germany taking them with them, leaving some poor unit to run round with NI with MK 4s (or if clever MK3 with MK 5 liner ).

[@LandersWorkshop]

I don't think that's Wiltshire is it, but looks like Canada? Even then I think chainsawing trees down and so on was a bit restrictive on old Barton Stacy. :)

[@LandersWorkshop]

Nice neck of the woods.@lee hamlin

[@smp220700]

Not a complete one I'm afraid it just ended for some reason, still waiting for someone to put the end on here.

[@bryansmith1920]

We were trained to be a deterrence for the Ruski What is available NOW

[@mwnciboo]

He sounds like a Budget version of "Richard Burton".

[@nonyabiz9487]

those eyebrows though... is he commander by day chonga at night? WTF??

[@benjamindejonge3624]

Those where the days, though the Fulda cap with a massive Russia attack was and is a big concern

[@unnamed6629]

Thought I read American somewhere in the title, first heard the accent, then saw the DPM and finally checked the title and description again when I saw the L1A1. lol my bad

[@rogerandout2361]

Coy Comd's Orders. Well I remember it.

[@berner]

Wow... watching all of this it would be a shame if the enemy didn't show up.

[@mjona1754]

Doesn't every man jack get issued LAW 94 at battalion level, been over 20 years since in the infantry but older NCO's who were stationed in Berlin during cold war stated so. Was that for every infantry battalion west of the iron curtain on SOP'S?

[@ianwatson129]

When I was an infantryman, it was policy for all grunts to carry a 66 LAW. The first I heard of LAW 90 was in Spring 1989.

[@iansoutryer3189]

Just wondering: why do they have the "Boots, Combat, High" already? After all this 1982 and I would expect them to wear the old DMS ankle boots with puttees. If I am not mistaken the high combat boots were only brought in after the Falklands War because the DMS boots had not been up to the job.

[@buckplug2423]

They're Grenadier Guards and, as I read here, troops starring in such films would be outfitted with pre-issued gear so the films could be used at a later date without seeming outdated.

[@Goffas_and_gumpys]

"...here the terrain can be made to work against an aggressor, and in favour of determined defenders..." Hmmm, someone else had that idea, twice, in the 40s. Seemed to work the other way around if I recall correctly. LOL.

[@petop8290]

Has to be later than 1982. Because of the helmets and too many boot combat highs being worn. Also the turret on the 432 came out later i am sure than 1982.

[@LandersWorkshop]

Probably '83. But I think the BCH was released in '82 but in tiny numbers.

[@yusufturner1971]

Well in Minden 1980-85 with 11 Bde, we had Mk 1 petrol fuelled 432's, and all the infantry sections had those turrets, and we were still wearing puttees with the 44 Pattern Steel helmets! 🙄

[@craigross341]

Section order are so samey: always kill the enemy. A Monty Python absurdist unit would have fun with verbs: tickle, amuse, tease, shag...

[@SPICYMOOCHOO]

Is that helmet what ecame the MkVI then?

[@oddballsok]

OMG 9:22 this aladdin is worth MONEY !!!!

[@WALancer]

do you have a copy of the video?

[@simonyip5978]

At 3:25 is what I think is an FV432 APC with a turret that I've never seen before. I'm not sure what the MG is but it seems like an L4 Bren LMG (7.62mm not the original 0.303).

[@LandersWorkshop]

I think it's a Wombat variant which has a recoilless rifle.

[@yusufturner1971]

We used GPMGs in the turrets!

[@foxhoundr3364]

Question. Why were the section commanders SGT’s????

[@geordiewishart1683]

Was this not the Grenadier Guards battle group? Their corporals are called lance sergeants and have three chevrons

[@NotMe-hm2zd]

Are they using fin fals?

[@d.cypher2920]

Cheap ubiquitous drones, have changed a lot of these effective tactics. Per: the recent Azerbaijan and Armenian war. Such accurate artillery, shells falling within the trenches over, and over. Amazing, and terrible at once. ☀️😎☀️🇺🇸

[@EkremDajakaj]

FN Fal legendary

[@mwnciboo]

Oooooo- FV432 Peak Turret....Wasn't that just in Berlin?

[@mrpirate3470]

Nope most infantry batallions had FV432's with L37 turrets on top.

[@mjona1754]

mwnciboo Amser cyn fi bachgeni!!!! Cymru am byth.

[@Horizon344]

A bit of wood & earth wouldn't have been a lot of use as top cover against Katyusha barrages, but the trees would have given good protection forcing them to infil their infantry to do the job with heavy losses & slow down their advance

[@Twirlyhead]

At 2:43 - training for stealing lawns by the looks. Question: is that actually the best way to do it or are they doing it that way so they can put it back again afterwards - the Germans being so keen on preserving their woodlands and all.

[@gettinhawd2312]

No its for stealing lawns.

[@stevenfoggon289]

3 different shirts in 1 minute

[@askdhuwuw]

Is this monty python?

[@Guy-ns1hk]

Where the heck is Fighting in Woods Part Deux???

[@BLACKTHUMB01]

Bloody hell...who won?

[@thewomble1509]

No one won.It's a training film.

[@hmkhgx8068]

@roman stigs it is

[@xclonejager6959]

roman stigs it kinda is in a morbid way

[@danielmarshall4587]

... nobody won

[@buckplug2423]

It's hard to say at this point in the video. Both forces have achieved their goals. The British inflicted casualties and retreated to their company positions with minor (for Cold War global conflict standards, today it'd be considered a crippling wound to the company) casualties - around 11%, assuming that the Soviets were too preoccupied with being massacred to take any of the defenders out - and the Soviets are still pushing through the forest to their objective. The British stacked bodies, the Soviets gained ground. The video ends at the start of the proper battle, where the British would try and hold their position, inflicting enough casualties on the Soviets to make them stop (either from commander decision or the too-many-holes syndrome on the part of his loyal Mongolian hordes) and the Soviets would try to break through the British line (and possibly destroy the British forces). The video itself shows the Grenadier Guards acting as glorified skirmishers and the Motostrielki clearing the mines off the road in their typical Soviet fashion. The only significant defeat would be the inability (or rather, the company commander's decision to not take chances with the world's least surprising ambush against a possible battalion with 1 platoon and 1 platoon minus - a ratio of 8-2, mechanized + armored vs practically light infantry) to employ platoon ambushes due to the amount of Soviet forces pushing (most likely the arrival of the main guard). They did inflict quite a few casualties, though - if that was the vanguard they destroyed, that'd be 3 infantry platoons and 1 tank platoon - double their own force, and lots of vehicles too. Too bad the Soviets don't care about casualties that much.

[@moralcoach717]

TBH I came in part to see what's the deal with mr eyebrows here

[@davidsmith2356]

Watch out for Bear shit.. Bears and Green Jackets shit in the woods.

[@brownwarrior6867]

Did the “Enemy” ever come then? An ex Sapper who served in Germany

[@andrethetempler846]

@ 01:30 I swear i understood sexual ambushes.. LOL! Are they hunting for Elfride and Waldtraud to make em happy for one day?

[@zahadaq]

WTF was that Soviet towed gun at 12:25? I remember those from Germany.

[@ClodiusP]

D30. 122mm

[@zahadaq]

Well remembered, nice one.

[@Focusstturbo]

Looks more like a D-1 152mm Howitzer?