former wrestler at the foxcatcher farm Ed Giese talks about what really happened

We caught up with Ed Giese, an original member of the famous Foxcatcher wrestling team which was dramatically portrayed in the academy award winning hollywood block buster The Foxcatcher. The movie featured Channing Tatum as Mark Shultz. Ed Giese who has competed at the highest level of wrestling and was a close friend of now deceased Dave Shultz (who was played by Mark Ruffalo in the movie) tells us what really happened on the Foxcatcher farm and just how factual were the events portrayed in the movie.

[@jamesbeckwith1153]

Thanks Ed, great perspective. I followed your career, watched you in high school. One of the greatest wrestlers to come out of Illinois! Thanks for giving back to the sport we all love.

[@slip6hazard9]

Great fucken video and interview. Very honest, very sincere without coming across as if with an agenda. Thanks for posting.

[@abeautifulend9163]

+slipHAZARD i agrree, it was a super hot fucking video. It made my dick super wet.

[@charlesbromberick4247]

Try to develop a few other participles. I like your comment - it seemed right on target.

[@eckathewrecka]

This interview helped put some of the pieces together...thanks for this Ed

[@DougArenberg]

I really enjoyed this video. In ~ 1980(?) I went down to Champaign IL with some friends to watch the state wrestling meet. We watched Ed Giese (who was undefeated at the time IIRC). With both wrestlers on their feet, he was down a point and needed a takedown. With like 20 seconds left in his match when all he needed was that takedown, he basically brought his opponent down on his back and pinned him with fewer than 15 seconds remaining. I can still picture the move and the hear the eruption of crowd noise because it was such an amazing finish. The DuPont/Schultz story is a great example of truth being stranger than fiction. I had no idea Giese’s life had intersected with the story depicted in the movie.

[@bensenkhalib7199]

netflix has made a great documentary about this

[@NonfictionFilmmaker]

tells the story much better but then again non-fiction usually does.

[@Hlapeto1]

Indeed, times better than the movie itself.

[@cosinguspalpatine4449]

Name?

[@jeffreynoon5084]

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[@karmapolice247]

@@cosinguspalpatine4449 team foxcatcher

[@Sms68]

Great interview and information. I'm about to rent the Foxcatcher but I knew nothing about it. I will enjoy it now.

[@larrypeiser7768]

I wrestled him in high school. He was unbelievable

[@JohnSaravia]

Larry Peiser feel bad for you that day man😂😂

[@guygervasio970]

Larry, how are you, this is Guy Gervasio. Do you remember me? I was friends with Ron Greenberg, I am on Facebook, friend me if you would like. I'm trying to find Ron, I can't locate him anywhere. Maybe you could help me. Do you remember Bill Danielak, he sells me all my material. Talk to you later.

[@lipglosskitten26]

Guy Gervasio This is really cool!! Just curious.... Did Larry ever contact you?

[@larrypeiser7768]

@@lipglosskitten26 we hooked up on Facebook. Nobody has talked to Ron Greenberg since maybe 2009

[@oldironsides4107]

Ron Greenberg here. I don’t do social media. I had my genitals mutilated in a smelting accident. So I’ve laid low for the past 11 years. Contact me @ donkeydicktricks@hotmail. Good to see you guys on KZbin. It’s crazier than losing my genitals in an accident.

[@AndyFelbab]

Shout out to Naperville! Live 30 minutes away. This was great though, such an interesting story Im glad theres still people around to tell about it. I loved everything about the movie, Carrell, his performance, Tatum & Ruffalo, the cinematography, Bennet Millers style and talent. But I love even more hearing about the real stuff that went on. Not just "Hollywood true stories" movies, but the actual true stories from all the crazy events that theyve made movies from.

[@Stewieboy1995]

it was a fantastic movie, all 3 lead men did a terrific job. Not a big Channing Tatum fan but he was excellent in this, well done.

[@lipglosskitten26]

Andys Videos/Bungle Boy Videos AMAZING!! You said exactly what I'm feeling and you put it all together perfectly!! Thank you🖤🖤

[@rickbruner]

Thanks Ed. Nice to attach some perspective to the drama. I wondered why they portrayed Mark's MMA fight as such a failure when he had won it. i guess it just fit with the script.

[@rokkvi1]

They made it look like Mark went on to become a pro-MMA fighter, after other options closed for him, when he only really had one fight (which like you pointed out, he did win).

[@BizzyIzzy87]

They didn’t portray his fight as a failure...

[@oldironsides4107]

They made it seem like he resorted to mma. When in fact mark ranks it high on his proudest achievements

[@Jazziegirltoo]

This interview sounds much more authentic!

[@AkronJosh]

Really, well he states none of the guys that were part of foxcatcher made it on the 96 olympic team. Kurt angle was part of the foxcatcher team and he won gold in 96 FFS.

[@codycavazos7108]

Thank you so much for this for us who wanna know the real story thank you brotha ...

[@rawsondenna6329]

Judgement was clouded by being taken care of. They didn’t notice the clear warning signs... sucks rip dave Schultz

[@markschwab5694]

Giese is top notch. He was a great competitor and is a great coach.

[@LadyVader33]

Obviously a significant amount of time had to surpass before these key people could speak up about this tragedy. How traumatic to be stuck at the center of such a disturbing, disgusting mess for the whole athletic world to see. I hope this guy, Mark Schultz, and the others got some psychological support afterward. It's a long grieving process

[@ILiveAndBreathe]

the movie don't touch duponts mental issues... the pieces of the puzzle fall into place

[@BasedNation]

I think it does, maybe not from the beginning but he gets stranger as the movie goes along..

[@lasvegasloner4621]

Great to hear from another person who was there finally. Interesting and tragic. Sick or not, I hated Dupont for that, and the family for not reeling that weirdo in. I understand now it was maybe impossible to predict that outcome, but I still feel disturbed about it. I didn't have any heroes in sports really-- never fit in with the team sports, didn't really like the hype with that big money political stuff. So I liked the guys such as Schultz brothers, Banachs, etc... that got no glory or multi-million dollar contracts but were monster athletes. Ed is a little off on the MMA thing... most of the first fighters were NOT from a wrestling base, and even Hackney, having some, didn't use it hardly at all. The rest were mostly people religiously following what most humans thought was fighting after Hollywood and others turned martial arts into anything glorified and the easiest way to finish a fight. Though that may be fun, I guarantee the ancient martial artists didn't ignore all forms of wrestling. There was always some sort of concern for a gripped, or grappling situation by those folks long ago when your life depended on it. Hoyce could finish people with Jiu-jitsu, but none of those guys even sprawled at first, except maybe Shamrock but even he was still not using the best wrestling to keep it on the feet. Not knowing the jiu-jitsu would of course get you into trouble with Hoyce, and finally, after a day of tiring him out, catching Severn in a submission was indeed impressive, but you could see nobody had even tried to be smart with wrestling with Hoyce at first. they all were taken down by that lousy double leg that Hoyce shot with his head down, arms out. Quick, but terrible position. Wrestling was not given much chance at first, you can tell by the way Jim Brown talks about it almost offended Jeff Blatnick dared to suggest wrestling was valuable, and that Hoyce was actually a "wrestler" too... which is in reality, correct! People get too wrapped up in labels and think Jiu-jitsu has an "exotic" name so can not possibly be related one iota to wrestling. It's all grappling and overlaps a LOT. Both have obviously borrowed from each other over the past 20 years and more, and they have the same root if you go back over 5,000 years. Yet if you look at comments for the past 25 years, the overwhelming compliments were for Jiu-jitsu only, while I was arguing to give the broader base, the less-focused and best transitional base --wrestling-- a chance. Now they have to eat their words since not one MMA successful fighter doesn't know how to wrestle. Some idiots STILL resist the obvious mechanics of it. Idiots.

[@Tommyboy574]

Mark stopped fighting because he had just got a coaching job at BYU and they wouldn't allow him. MMA was very young and looked down on during the time.

[@BeyondPostal]

Mark only fought once, but man what a monster he was.. calm and controlled. He would have went far!

[@Shawn-Leider]

That’s not true. Marks only mma fight happened AT Baylor while he was coaching the team. Maybe he didn’t continue because of the school. But you worded it like he quit mma to be a coach. When he was a coach while it happened.

[@JanYi2023]

Thanks Ed wrestling is best sport there is

[@briandrum1]

1:00 The timeline is fine. No, it didn't 'say' 1996, but it did show a change of seasons which would lead someone, like me, to believe that it didn't happen in the same year as the Olympics/1988.

[@lipglosskitten26]

Thank you, this is a short interview,but delivers so much important information1 Thaks, again ♡♡♡♡

[@spencechicago]

Fantastic insights Ed, thanks for sharing your perspectives.

[@JamsIneedRPG]

wrestling is my favorite sport

[@garyshaw8449]

boxing is mine

[@karljacobson8521]

it is my favorite sport, too

[@GallowsPole805]

Well his fascination for wrestling was probably more like a fascination for wrestlers...as in rolling around with the young bucks.

[@jayswallow2554]

+Eric_Hatfield how is it gay. If u read the book Foxcatcher you will find out it is the toughest sport and it takes tremendous physical strength. How is pitting two opponents against each other in a circle for 6 minutes with the intent to do whatever it takes to win, even injure each other in doing so. If not the Toughest sport to compete in, it is definitely the hardest sport to continue to compete in.

[@turtles6610]

+* * Thats debatable. Having wrestling skill isn't though.

[@turtles6610]

* * For sure. All these guys wrestled(Current UFC champs) Fw-Demetrious Johnsons Bw-TJ Dillashaw WW-Robbie Lawler LHW-Daniel Cormier And the ones who didn't still had to learn. For example Rafael Dos Anjos has become a really good MMA wrestler and captured the championship with it(and some heavy punches). GSP was notorious for wrestling with the Canadian National team. The list goes on and on

[@turtles6610]

* * For sure. He almost ended it with that right hand. That dudes stand up is probably some of the best we've seen in MMA.

[@turtles6610]

* * Eh I think you're underselling his skills. Its true his striking is a little unorthodox, maybe not "textbook picture perfect", but the guy has never lost the stand up war with anyone. Trains with Henri Hooft. Good counter-punching, hits like a mack truck, fast, good parrying and knows how to cut off the cage and finish.

[@turtles6610]

* * I hear you, I just meant it really from a stand up perspective. Not only that but I'm sure he's the only guy to be a top 5 guy at Welterweight and fight for a title at Light Heavy

[@AkronJosh]

How can he say that none of the foxcather guys made the olympic team in 96 when kurt angle not only made the team but won gold???

[@mariomanningfan]

I think I heard in an Angle interview that he didn't live there at the time, though Dave was his primary coach and Kurt would visit.

[@1979augistine]

He said he didnt get into the Olympics

[@BPoweredLove]

8:09 (bottom-right corner) Ooops! it's left then right not right then left. :-)

[@BPoweredLove]

@Joseph Scott I have absolutely no idea. I don't even remember typing that comment over 5 years ago. I don't recognize this video at all. I had to re-watch that part over and over to even see what the heck I was talking about, but I see it now. Weird.

[@matthewsteven2827]

Pretty insightful and accurate account

[@charlesbromberick4247]

Ed sure has some nteresting and believabe insights. Thanks

[@soniandukwe8981]

This guy sounds like he was in Dupont’s pocket as well

[@Queenofdacastle]

More like Dupont was in his but...

[@smooveking773]

Gracie's had a hard time dealing with wrestling on UFC back in the day

[@danielhardman5696]

The wrestlers got choked out too. Just rook a couple more mins

[@smooveking773]

@@danielhardman5696 true iam just sayin wrestling is very underrated

[@conorlarkin7135]

Wrestling is not under rated at all

[@omgitsjoetime]

Daniel Hardman ya but a little choke and submission defense for a wrestler isn’t much

[@WalkerChristopher11]

Gracie's orchestrated UFC 1. They have an awesome style but they selected opponents specifically to make the Gracie Style shine. Loom of Sakuraba "the gracie killer" or Bill "Superfoot" Wallace

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Great info.

[@TheFaustianMan]

I appreciate the honesty and no agenda. I feel bad for DuPont, he wanted to do some good and did, burn wards and everything. But had problems and the medication he was given didn't help. Along with the coke and booze.

[@randyscrafts8575]

Ok. Now I wasn't there but lemme tell ya my version of what happened.

[@AkronJosh]

Right, he said that he lived there YET he says that none of the guys on the foxcatcher team made the 96 olympic team....kurt angle was on the foxcatcher team and won gold in 96.

[@SuperiorNizzle]

The movie is atrocious but the Netflix documentary is amazing.

[@seanranklinjr968]

Haha fuck off

[@rob_3417]

It's a good movie

[@marknorris3769]

this interview is the first i have heard there were drugs and alcohol involved, add in mental illness and wealth and its easy to understand, too bad the movie was only an approximation of the full/true story, after reading cursory background material i'm convinced that scopolamine played a part in this dark drama

[@deadarmd]

mark norris alcohol, coke, anti psychotics, and mental illness all played a part.

[@MatthewElliott]

Mark Schultz retired after his first UFC fight due to back injuries

[@jahraltoad6848]

believes the college where he taught told him he would lose his job if he fought mma again

[@silasbarnaby8870]

I couldnt believe Valentin was du ponts heir? In the documentary Valentin and Dave were close friends... I dont get him going to see John in jail afterwards.

[@adamsmith3413]

Foxcatcher was a powerhouse swim team in 1970s...DuPont was a nut

[@2011americanman]

Movie is entertaining but Watch the documentary for the real story.

[@dustyomeara5070]

Not sure of the name for the doc. Can you help me out?

[@gh0rochi363]

@@dustyomeara5070 team foxcatcher on netflix

[@team69racing11]

Woah bro he gave all his money to his Bulgarian wowz!! Think they had something going on?? wowz

[@franko278]

Thanks Jeff

[@c--money9188]

dont call a murder a philanthropist. That word implies a good person

[@TigerCeltKing]

All these guys end up looking exactly the same Hahahaha! Definitely not a bad thing but 💪🏽

[@JohnHanrahanPSU]

wrong... it was not an academy award winning movie

[@erichatfield2939]

John Hanrahan So What...wrestling is so GAY!

[@craigjones8907]

Smash HULK SMASH!!!

[@brettwilson359]

Yarborough was more like 500 lbs, brother.

[@BeyondPostal]

Actually 600+

[@Joedaddymomma69]

#team overtime

[@kevinmcrae2390]

👍

[@Gj23jk2]

7:10 - Ouch. Hard pill for an expert coach to swallow. Is there really so little interest in Greco-Roman wrestling in the MMA era? Seriously, I'm curious after I saw the movie, especially the scene where DuPont freaks out when he sees the guys watching MMA.

[@Shangri_La_Studios]

Greco Roman wrestling is arguably the best foundation for MMA but the MMA fighters are well rounded

[@DeHirvilammi]

JOHN DU PONT WAS GAY IN REAL LIFE AND COULD KEEP HIS GAY LOVER SO HE KILLED HIM INSTEAD

[@xbomb999]

RICO WAS BETTER THEN ALL OF THEM

[@yrchoi5835]

오른쪽 위에 전범기 뭐냐?

[@thprfssnl1]

"370 lb BLACK GUY!"....whoaaaaaaa this interview just got awkward.

[@weirdsearchhistory5876]

I know right, he was more like 700 pounds I think. Honest mistake I guess.

[@michaeljohnsson7630]

lmao :))

[@michaeljohnsson7630]

why? Cant he mention his skin colour?

[@deadarmd]

Frank yeah, 15 years ago that wasn't considered "racist". Only now is it "awkward" to call a black guy a black guy

[@darylc2799]

But he didn't refer to Mark as a white guy...or John Dupont, or Ian Dupont...list goes on.

[@TommyChardonneret]

It is interesting (to me, at least) that when most people talk about all of the complex ills that can affect the brains of humans the majority of people describe it unfailingly as "THEY have mental illness" just as having the flu and having cancer are NEVER described as "THEY have physical illness" so, yada, yada, yada, etc. There is almost no discussion on a continuum of illnesses with varying degrees of impairment concerning the euphemism of the umbrella term "mental illness" as if to discuss each and every widely varying "mental illness" in detail would somehow taint the observer as a blanket defender of criminals of every stripe. It has seemed obvious to me that the taboo about even discussing the various mental illnesses is akin to the taboo against mentioning the name of Beelzebub for fear that the person mentioning such a reprehensible topic is suffering from the same "demonic possession" as those whom we want to cast out from our society without discussion because - well. why is that, considering we are citizens of the 21st century and not the centuries wherein "amusement" fees were charged for "sane" people to observe from on higher platforms the deluded masses below in insane asylum snake pits? These snake pit associations seem to have followed the sufferers of the vast spectrum of mental illnesses out of these banned (in 1st world countries, at least, it could be argued) snake pits, unlike the dispelling of the former ignorance that physical cancer is contagious. Damn man, we humans have a very long way to go in learning, even if just for the majority of us in this life together, that there but for luck's sake (genetic luck, life's circumstances luck, nefarious interveners in life, etc.) go you and I.

[@soniandukwe8981]

My friend got married in Naperville

[@sdawg4834]

what a waste of 9:22.....just a bunch of blathering about the good old days of a former wrestler