Muay Thai vs Kickboxing KNEE Style

Learn the difference in styles between the #MuayThai knee and the #Kickboxing knee, and why I recommend adapting both into your stand-up striking!
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[@onalonan]

There are atleast 9 kinds of straight knee style in muaythai. 1.เข่าตรง ตีนำ(khao-trong-tee-num)=(lead straight knee) 2.เข่าตรง ตีตาม(khao-trong-tee-tam)=(follow straight knee) 3.เข่าตรง(khao-trong)=(straight right knee) 4.เข่าเฉียง(khao-cheang)=(oblique knee) 5.เข่าโค้ง(khao-kong)=(curve knee) 6.เข่าตัด(khao-tud)=(cross knee) 7.เข่าลอย(khao-loi)=(flying knee) 8.เข่าโหน(khao-hone)=(hung knee) 9.เข่ากระโดดเหยียบ(khao-kra-dod-yeab)=(stomping knee) I think the kickboxing knee in muaythai they called "khao-trong" which is mean straight right knee. And the second style knee in the video in muaythai they called "khao-tud" which is mean cross knee. Thanks Shane.

[@Aomura98]

You forgot *Tiger knee* hahaha

[@masterk5372]

@@Aomura98 haha good one

[@Kurio71]

Very good, you forgot the คุณหัวเข่าตาย (mega knee), peace

[@onalonan]

Thanks guys. Lol

[@mizutxko]

Rabbit and Bomb knee is not here

[@timahad2071]

Muay Thai was the father of kickboxing, so therefore the Dutch style knee is just a variation of muay thai knee, the stabbing knee of the Dutch style also exists in Muay Thai.

[@euroschlucker]

Actually karate, taekwondo etc. were "the fathers" of kickboxing

[@timahad2071]

@@euroschlucker traditional Karate styles like shotokan etc are still traditional karate styles, whereas kyokushin karate and other full contact styles evolved into Japanese style kickboxing and then american long pants kickboxing-benny the Jet etc, often not allowing low kicks and also requiring a certain number of kicks per round. Muay Thai pre-dates these styles by around 300 years! And as for TKD? All the kicks are from karate! And all karate styles originate from Okinawa! Okinawan Karate is basesd on chinese kung Fu! If you follow this long enough you'll disappear up your own ASS! there's no perfect technique! Don't fear the man who knows a thousand different kicks, fear the man who has practiced one kick, a thousand times.

[@euroschlucker]

@@timahad2071 wtf?!

[@hexkwondo]

Tim Ahad relax dude damn. It’s not that serious. Karate is the father of modern Kickoxing in the west. No one outside of southeast asia even had an idea of what Thaiboxing was until the 60’s.

[@user-vr8ve6rt9c]

@@timahad2071 i thought TKD was made in Korea

[@fighttips]

Thank goodness for hats. My hair is looking crazy 😅

[@babarazamsucks]

fightTIPS It sure is.😅

[@josemucarselsacoto5122]

Well, at least you have hair to complain about! We bald guys have become a majority nowadays 🥳

[@mehdibaracetti6828]

Can you do lesson 2 of mma?

[@My6119]

Been growing out my hair for 4 months now

[@MW-dd8vk]

We want the dreadlocks back

[@solidjacinto8348]

Bob looking like Artem the GOAT with that staggering reach you gave him.

[@amartyapandit]

Love seeing Shane happy while teaching truly a passionate striking trainer. Makes me realise why I picked Kickboxing because I am as passionate as him and look up to him

[@kachucho872]

I feel like muay thai generaly focuses more on one solid strike at a time and not more than 2 strike combos, and kickboxing tends to be more combo oriented.

[@Wall_enjoyer]

Nah, we do a lot of combos with at least 5 solid strikes

[@award4593]

muay thai kinda has a traditional swagger to it

[@MyZ001]

Disagree, we practice 5 to 6 hit combos regularly

[@kachucho872]

@@Wall_enjoyer traditional muay thai has the guys set up one good kick or a gard punch, lerdsila or buakaw, actual legends use that style but outside thailand you got strikers like wec aldo,barbosa who set up for a huge kick with not to many punches,but the flurrys and combos are more common in kickboxing and in the west, (like condit,felder,hooker)

[@kachucho872]

@trool hp i just listed a bunch of succesfull muay thai fighters who don't use many combos but rather set up one huge kick,and it's muay thai.

[@kevinsargent]

I don't understand why people act like Muay Thai has just 1 knee or 1 elbow. There's so much variety in Muay Thai.

[@ozzi1113]

yet Muay thai has shown to be the most dominant stand up combat art out of all of those flashy fancy styles out there 👍

[@Kali-8]

@@ozzi1113 how about taek won do

[@ozzi1113]

@@Kali-8 Teakwondo by it self its very usless in combat sports What is very interesting is that there now mma fighters using this style and mixing it up with other styles for example look at Yair Rodriguez from ufc ....

[@Kali-8]

@@ozzi1113 well i dont know much about it but i know that it has some dangerous kicks, and i as a former martial artist and now kickboxer dont feel very confident against those

[@michealtm]

@@Kali-8 Flashy kicks are usually the end of those who attempt them in a real fight. Distance management is almost impossible when you're turning your entire body and executing a flashy kick on a moving opponent. Add to that the fact that its usually not hidden and is just one strike which means its easily catchable and countered, it also lacks the speed of going through your guard because you see the entire movement before it hits you, so you simply either back away or defend yourself. If executed properly and hidden well, they can be very dangerous, but that is usually not the case because the martial arts who teach those kinds of kicks do not have mandatory sparring in their classes or any sparring in general which turns the students into acrobats not fighters. They can look good but cannot fight at all. You can rarely see fighters executing taekwondo kicks properly in a fight, and when you see them, they always have a background in Muay thai or kickboxing as well, which is where they learn how to fight, then later teach themselves how to implement their taekwondo kicks in their fight game.

[@almightyfonics]

Happy birthday Shane. Been watching you since the 6th grade and now I’m already done with high school

[@philipbond3205]

Happy birthday hahah

[@drali230]

I love kickboxing vs Muay Thai videos Keep up the good work Shane 👊🏻

[@joegeagea8097]

Happy birthday coach!!! Thanks shane for the awesome tips that made me a 60% better fighter(today is july 3rd in my country)

[@fighttips]

Appreciate you very much, buddy!

[@aizaz1299]

fightTIPS shane bro got so much fkn respect for ya, you truly are a great coach. Happy birthday from pakistan

[@sensam6155]

This explains the conflicting cues given from two coaches at my gym. Thanks, Shane.

[@dimitrijezivotije3045]

They arguing or what? Did they squash the beef?

[@CRehm]

Best tutorial on knee strikes, I have seen on youtube. Thank you for that!

[@PreacherLawson]

Love your work! 💪🏾

[@kat4697]

Ahaha, that's funny. Just watched your vid and now stumbling across you in this vid's comment section!

[@daviddollanarte9317]

My man! Please tell me you're not gonna use this to beat up Darci

[@bushidothekickboxer7821]

YOUR HEEEEEEEerer

[@Syrius12345]

was so long waiting for this explanation, thank you soooo much!!!

[@tnikqq1676]

Im not first.... Im not last! BUT when you upload.. I click WAY too fast!

[@JacySanjunXiao]

Fast us flash

[@mrdjr6544]

The way you explain things is just so easy to understand. Now all I need to do is take it all in!

[@rusnarthailand974]

Both style are within Muay Thai Knee style ! Muay Thai Knee are various such Strait Knee, Diagonal Knee, Cutting Knee, Scratch Knee, Curve Knee, Throw Knee,Swing Knee, Head Lock Knee, Body Lock Knee, Fly Knee, Hit Down Knee.

[@214warzone]

thank you for helping my Knee Grow..

[@jasonw293]

fightTIPS I like the Muay Thai knee. To me it feels more fluid. I’m not knocking the Dutch style, but I just feel more comfortable throwing a Thai style knee

[@markpoepiloeri8511]

I learned the dutch style in myanmar from lone chaw. But i am dutch guess what i learned in holland.... Thats right the muay thai knee

[@jasonw293]

Which one do you feel more comfortable with? Or is it situational?

[@markpoepiloeri8511]

@@jasonw293 it depends on range and strikes. When i did a combo round strikes the round knee is better. But after long straight strikes the straight knee feels better. My myanmar teacher lone chaw was very good in straight hard punches with long knee. My dutch teacher joop gottmers is beter in round striking a bit like ramon dekkers style. So its a style issue. They both are good teachers by the way that manage other strikes as well. I mix up the knees a bit of both.

[@jasonw293]

Mark poepiloeri alright. I don’t do any sparring or fighting right now, but I agree with that. Range and strikes do determine follow up strikes

[@markpoepiloeri8511]

@@jasonw293 did you injured yourself or is it the lockdown?

[@williamguthrie613]

Great stuff. Thank you, Shane. Always interested in analysis of distinctions in punches, kicks, stance, etc between Muay Thai and Dutch Kickboxing.

[@tchivchiv2703]

Watch your videos all day. I've learned so much. I remember when you started. Thank you!

[@makingthematrix]

Very good observation on that in the dutch-style we work a lot with body and hips rotation. I noticed it recently (after 10 months of training :D) and remembering that really helps me with combinations: left, right, left, right... I guess it might make the fighter a bit more predictable?... But for me, an amateur, more focused on learning for self-defense, I feel it makes my punches and kicks much better.

[@kavinziysulthon6532]

6:08, Your voice is like Saenchai dude😂

[@amorphous0000]

Thanks Shane, I've seen these differences, but they have never been explained this well.

[@solshadow]

Happy birthday coach, your videos have helped me out for 4 years

[@brekdakbanchamek6454]

Best Muay Thai And Kickboxing Knee strikes tutorial THE BEST IF THE BEST!!!😊🌄😇💖💯

[@SiamBoxing]

Great video. I love the dutch flow and how they utilise them in fast combinations. However the Thai knee is so deadly when they drive it through your soul 😂

[@3elements899]

Your tips makes me a better fighter thanks alot

[@Scoobydcs]

iv done a bit of muay thai and we always did both types of knee, i prefer straight down the middle

[@satansbraten656]

I like those kickboxing muay thai comparisons

[@cliffordurmaza4398]

Good video! Always thankful the excellent practical tips in your videos! Bob XL has a "jacket" with arms for future arm grabbing

[@abdelmoumen14]

Im glad i found ur channel coach I've been watching u for 4 years and the last 4 week i was doing that solo mma workout it really effective and thank u coach for helping us 🇩🇿❤️

[@Cartierian]

I’ve been taught to use the inside of the knee because it may minimise injury to the patella/surrounding ligaments or joints, am I being taught wrong?

[@BBoyShadyGrady]

It's not that you're being taught wrong. It's just a different take on the technique. I most commonly hear it referred to as the "slap knee". That's a very useful way to minimize injury if you're working with a heavy bag or a harder target. It is also better in sparring because you won't injure your partner. But if you're in a real fight you should most definitely drive the knee directly into the target. You deal more damage with bone than with muscle. And a human body wouldn't be hard enough to truly damage your knee unless you bang knees with the opponent.

[@Cartierian]

Darius Grady Yeah sounds about right. I mostly just do pad sessions and was told to use the inside of the knee in like a swinging to the outside and into the side of the body but wasn’t told if it was the correct technique in a real fight. Thanks for the feedback 👍

[@simonyu8838]

You also see that style of knee in Muay Thai but it's usually in a clinch and strikes the sides. It's more for taking the wind out of an opponent (which gets amplified with how exhausting clinching for a while gets) than raw damage and has a shorter range than a more linear knee. Since Shane was talking about long knees we're in the domain of linear knees.

[@shotboy200]

use upper part of shin bone on muay thai knee

[@Crunchy166]

This anecdotal experience but I find that pulling your foot as far back as possible tightens the knee which makes it hurt less and hit harder.

[@whitesquare2378]

The main difference in knee trajectory is probably due to striking distance. You are not allowed to clinch in kickboxing, so you usually either have distance between you and opponent or they break you up. As a result, you often have to break distance in kickboxing to get a knee in, while avoiding a counter punch. In Maui Thai you can hug as long as your heart desires:) Knees and elbows are usually their close range weapons and are performed from the clinch (much closer distance than in kickboxing). Since there is not as much room to wind up the knee, or you get them in the balls if you try going point A to point B style, you get the knee up first and then use the hips to drive the knee forward. In street fight, a combination of these is probably best. Get the clinch, grab onto your opponent, pull on him, do kickboxing style of knee straight into the groin. P.S never done it to anyone and hopefully never will ))) Thanks for the video!

[@shynn-obislick3925]

Actually you are allowed to clinch in kickboxing, depending on the rule set. We have 3 main rule sets. Classic rules: no clinch, no knees, no low kicks. Modern low kicks: allows low kicks, but no clinch or knees. Kickboxing (k-1 rules): clinching, knees to the body, and low kicks are allowed.

[@callmesupreme1533]

Thanks 🙏🏽 once again I worked with you while watching

[@muleb384]

Lol when that arm fell off! Thanks a lot for these videos. I really appreciate your teaching style. Patreon?

[@fighttips]

Great to hear, thank you! No patreon, but I do recommend our online training center -- www.FIGHTTIPS.com -- It's currently only $7/mo for unlimited access to all of our courses and forum (you'll get direct communication with me and the rest of the coaches and members). But we are increasing our prices this week, so be sure to hop in quick. Let me know if you have any questions, but I know you'll love it. Plus the first 14 days are completely free, so if it's not completely what you're looking for, cancel and you won't get charged anything 😄👍

[@JacySanjunXiao]

Happy birthday coach shane thx for all vids helping in my training :)

[@manikandan1111]

The muay thai knee is what Anderson silva used against rich franklin

[@thailandt55]

My Thai cousin uses thai clinch for 2 rounds and he uses his knees and aim for the inner thigh. After watching this technique I scratching my head what the purpose and then it struck me. Being hit constantly in your inner thigh causes your kicks to be useless on the later 3rd 4th and 5th round. Our family-side is slightly bow-legged so it's rare style in Muay Thai Bouts. Great Vid!

[@comradeskulerr8522]

Day what on quarantine now? Shane's getting even more communicative with bob now.....

[@yukiprice7323]

Great video man! I love the knee cross combo in kickboxing it always covers the knee effectively. Also the different applications of the knee are very interesting.. looking forward to being able to practice these soon :)

[@evancarr]

honestly a big fan of a hybrid style. trapping the hands but then instead of pulling them down into the knee, i pull my arms back to really torque into the knee. that’s the style that i find to be best against all sized opponents as well as most capable of offensive or defensive

[@evancarr]

that being said, the twist of the hips to turn my leg out is dependent on their reactions. if they shell then i go straight but if they try to back out then i turn out so need be i can still hit with a round kick. it’s abt just touching them, gotta make them doubt themselves.

[@joshmontana5848]

I’d Love to see you talk about the different knees and elbows. I feel like I’m a lot of videos they’re over looked and never talked about as much as kicks and punches.

[@arcanicidio]

Saludos desde Lima-Peru y gracias por tu trabajo.

[@tsherman393]

Fascinating instruction Shane, thank you!

[@ajw9686]

Thanks for advice! Helped technique a lot!

[@tvblue3010]

I really enjoy your videos, Fazen. I wish I could learn from you in person.

[@pkdmartialarts]

Understood the techniques pretty well. Just a request, Lyoto machida sensei throws a counter knee. It happens in a split second. Can you please break it down?

[@OA_2121]

amazing video, i have a very basic question: is knee allowed in kickboxing? as i have seen on google its not allowed. could you please clear up my confusion. thankyou

[@fighttips]

Each organization has its own ruleset, but generally speaking you are allowed to throw knee strikes in kickboxing, but you cannot CLINCH and knee.

[@OA_2121]

@@fighttips thankyou for clearing up my confusion

[@nickstevensmartialarts8914]

😱 *WHEN WILL MY BOB EVOLVE TO HAVE LITTLE NUBS?* Lol great video as always dude 💪 my channel was partially insipired by yours. I just hit my first 700 subscribers. Doesnt sound like alot but i cant imagine teaching a class of 700 people in person 😂. Keep up the great work!

[@gerardocovarrubias1127]

also savate and muay thai are the most popular and famous kickboxing styles

[@joediffy]

Nice breakdown, Thanks.

[@benjamintreitz1647]

very nice video, thanks for uploading!

[@VirusofEarth]

@4:38 you drop your hand like you warned us not to do, but like you said, even the top professionals far victim to doing that ;)

[@leonardodormentoni7336]

I mean..Muay thay have at least 6 type of knee strike (Throng, chiang, khong and a lot more). Kick boxing just steal them, and it's k, that's how martial arts works

[@gerardocovarrubias1127]

fighttips what martial arts does american kickboxing have besides boxing and karate

[@haithamkatramiz]

Good posture👍🏻 with bending backward

[@najmiwira4006]

Woow I am EARLY. Keep up the good work Shane from a long time fan

[@fighttips]

Thanks man!

[@roseslasher]

Please do a video on breathing when you kick to maximize power.

[@williamguthrie613]

Thanks Shane

[@coolman54061]

Shane ur the🐐 also i think u dropped this👑

[@fighttips]

You the man for this comment, Sean 😄🙏

[@azharali6673]

Firstly tell me what should I do to get rid of my kneee pain sir As I exercise its start paining ny advice sir?

[@WayneKing_]

use a foam roller

[@CheesecakeHey]

Try resistance bands. I still get pain in the knee I tore my meniscus and ACL reconstruction. Bands are gentler on the knees, help increase strength, and improve range of motion. That's my experience and what has worked long term.

[@juradis1]

don't listen to any of these guys and go see a doctor/therapist

[@WayneKing_]

​@@juradis1 i had the same problem and the foam roller helped a lot but if it still continues then of cause they should see a doctor stop being such a neek

[@juradis1]

@@WayneKing_ had the same what ?! How can you know his pain and yours come from the same source ?

[@Stumpasm123]

Bob is great he should have his own youtube channel!

[@ajshiro3957]

Great fight tip. Knees i like to use as an anti approach move if someone gets too close.

[@euroschlucker]

Really cool comparison, would love to see that with other techniques as well

[@benchang1022]

100% disabled vet. Just started DDG Yoga to get my body back. It’s my dream to be healthy enough to do mui tai.

[@blakespurlock5322]

Great lesson coach.

[@brandonnguyen3454]

Shoutout to Bob fr

[@henryau7720]

The moment I saw bob made my day

[@walkerhumphrey181]

Good to know with all these attacks lately

[@andiloka8510]

Thanks shane

[@bigbadwolfstudios1]

Could we see some videos of your archery practice? It was interesting to hear the analogy in the your punches still suck video. Plus it is still technically a martial art

[@muhammednaushadkv958]

Very good information. Thanks a lot 👍👍👌😀

[@anastastsankov5479]

Hey Shane! Incredible video! I have an idea for the next one- "What shall I do if my gf is being harassed in front of me?"

[@manbat106]

adding bang's at the end of your knee like a true Thai

[@alipiofiambre]

the k1 knee is better in defense when the opponent advances at u (which adds more power to the knee) especially with punch combinations and the Muay Thai knee is better to use in a more offensive and aggressive way. that's my vision :)

[@tarcianedill3999]

Bob is really good!!!

[@jaydm74]

Which one is the best option: completely train kickboxing and then add the bases of Muay Thai, or on the contrary?

[@jonsnow761]

Happy birthday coach. Love the vid

[@fighttips]

Thank you, Jon!

[@jonsnow761]

@@fighttips Huge fan, love your content been watching and learning from you since I was 11 years old 👊👍

[@stinald]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY SHANE 🎉🎂🥳

[@raidbendris8090]

love you man all respect 👏👏👏

[@samoneill-nash6298]

Hi Shane, could you do a video on how you film your videos and how to film training footage good. I think it’d help people trying to build their social media by having better bag/training footage.

[@tictoc7794]

Hi, Which one you préconise to me? Muay Thai or kick boxing? Thank you

[@Ibra_499]

Tips for kyokushin style combos?

[@dusk4092]

Thank you! Is it compulsory to sound like that when throwing muai thai attacks?

[@SUBINABRAHAM96]

Which kick is more powerful muathai or kick boxing

[@unknownseizure]

Happy birthday! Today's my dad's birthday too

[@michaelnguyen3159]

Hey Shane. What is your weight class when and if you go to the competition?

[@efficientguitar]

Hi, this is a great explanation. I still have a question though. The Muay Thai knee has that extra knee "inside twist" produced by turning the knee slightly inside, which looks like lifting the angle. I haven´t found a specific explanation on what that does yet. Can somebody please explain? My guess is that it could make it more difficult for the opponent to grab the knee, but it is a long shot. Other than that I don´t see it adds something extra biomechanically to generate power, at least not more than the hip thrust, or hip turn, but if you turn it too much it becomes a different tech. If there is a muay thai coach there to explain that to me I would be very thankful.

[@andre.1984]

Nice explanation.

[@Californology]

Thanks for addressing the stress on the lower back. Out of all the strikes in my Muay Thai repertoire, knees are the hardest on my body despite my enjoyment throwing them.

[@acme-1889]

Exactly

[@brennanhuff3651]

Do you think the grab the hand technique would also work for a kick?

[@THESELFDEFENCEACADEMY]

I love Bob 😃

[@prostriking]

Legendary Century Bob

[@THESELFDEFENCEACADEMY]

@@prostriking Yep very famous punch bag

[@CogSciEso]

Thanks Shane! Question: how do you like the bob? Is it as good as a heavy bag? I know they each have their pros and cons, but is it a waste to put one in my garage for muay thai if i can't hang a heavy bag?

[@agentwashington2946]

Can u do a video on elbows

[@agusbekti3972]

you can..💪👊👊👍👏,..malioboro street indonesia yogyakarta...😎,..thanks for all..iam remember you to..

[@jackgrant3702]

Hey Shane, I have recently started sparring for fun more so just boxing and I was wondering if you could analyse my movement? Could I send you my sparring videos?

[@TongYunJai]

I'm asking out of ignorance...When throwing a knee strike, is there a reason why the foot is pointed down? What if the foot was simply relaxed in a neutral position? Does the angle of the foot effect the knee? Thanks for any input!

[@mateus8676]

Pointed toe allows for more of a natural bend of the leg which exposes the bone of the knee more. Also pointing the toes makes the leg itself more streamlined, reducing travel resistance, increasing acceleration, momentum and force

[@demo1762]

I dont agree with twisting your upper body while throwing knees tho, many Thai's will say that by doing that you reduce the power of the impact because of twisting your torso to the opposite direction then where the knee is going, its supose to be flying straight true the opponent good job tho I love the videos !

[@erieri390]

Can I build muscle with your mma 7day workout please reply very important 👏👏