Film Theory: Red Guardian Fought A FAKE Captain America! (Black Widow)

[@Irrationaaaaal]

I thought the payoff would be a moment when Alexi was fighting Taskmaster: Alexi realizes that Taskmaster is using some of caps moves, and does exactly what he says in the story (grabs shield, pushes him out the window)

[@kchgamer1788]

EXACTLY!!!!!! How was that not done!!!!

[@mayle2010]

That definitely would have been cool!!

[@gamedifficulty_4230]

He DOES get to throw the shield, albeit he messes it up

[@youreaverageguy3123]

Bunger ;)

[@Irrationaaaaal]

@@youreaverageguy3123 [bot_reactive] Indeed, Bunger

[@bennusmagnus5277]

Burnside's decent into evil makes perfect sense when you remember what the serum does. "Good becomes great, bad becomes worse." This guy was real bad before the serum.

[@ywoyiakuelwywpfnd]

My only problem with it would be that, us agent is basically just evil cap, obviously he's good or and anti hero now, but it seems very similar especially since it's was done recently so I don't think we'll see him for a while.

[@bobbysworld281995]

@@ywoyiakuelwywpfnd John was just fucked in the head unless he gets his good priorities straight. Burnside is different.

[@carnage3814]

I think that same phrase works for symbiotes also just like carnage's original story when Eddie left prison and a piece of Venom was left in the jail and that same piece bonded with the other guy who was with Eddie and that same piece of Venom became a worse symbiote just bcuz that other guy was also worse than Eddie

[@andrewjohnson6716]

Burnside went “bad” because canonically in Marvel Comics the Super Soldier Serum has to be stabilized with “Vita-Rays” or the recipient will go psychotic. Erskine kept the technology of vita-rays (a purposely nonsense term he made up to hide their nature) in his head never committing it to paper, so it died with him. We can see from the transformation scene in First Avenger (and from the fact that every other recipient has mental problems) that the MCU kept this concept. (Side note: Isiah Bradley was the only SSS recipient who was strong-willed enough to not go mad without the vita-ray treatment, but he did develop Huntington’s Disease)

[@neonbunnies9596]

The Red Guardian was cheated in this movie. Like every fight scene with the Red Guardian is either for comedic effect for cuts away for anything interesting happens

[@havenvoorhees4687]

Big agree

[@edwardrichtofen8530]

Honestly, I thought this line was used to show how stupid he was since it was obvious he couldnt have fought captain america.

[@crusadr_4966]

Massive agree. They did my red boy bad

[@edwardrichtofen8530]

@@crusadr_4966 he just wasnt allowed to be anything but the goofy comedic relief character and was constantly played off as stupid.

[@edwardrichtofen8530]

@🔥Darth Dämon🎃 and like john Walker who was forced to be evil bad guy by the plot.

[@EverythingIsLit]

That intro was awesome. My favorite part was when Steph proves she loves MatPat because otherwise she wouldn't have been able to get the Soul Stone by sacrificing him otherwise

[@arachnaphobicpal6873]

*does dramatic pose* Yelena: " *ugh that was disgusting-* "

[@OkKo-ii3ei]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/eImrh3d_Z7SNn7M

[@michaellebarthelus5091]

What is happening here?

[@Nobody-jd4fn]

@@michaellebarthelus5091 BOTS

[@AllenGiants]

That was Hilarious

[@paultoc2657]

Hi are you female?

[@Phuskooz]

I really liked the scene where the Red Guardian is struggling to put on his suit because THE DUDE IS A SUPER SOLDIER USING SUPER STRENGTH and *he’s still struggling!!*

[@omegadeadpool2947]

On one side, he didn't want to tear his suit off

[@ChadWSmith]

That means it's a well-made suit

[@Galaxies3000]

Cut him some slack, he also had SUPER FATNESS

[@guccifer764]

Well, use too much strength and it’ll just rip. It takes finesse

[@sauriers-rexusdiscordytcha6704]

well he also struggled with closing the door of the CHOPPER

[@letstalkfiction5187]

The best part of this movie was the “this would be the best way to die” during the avalanche prison break and “this would be the worst way to die” when her head was about to get cut open.

[@sion8]

She said “coolest” not “best” way to die.

[@squidking762]

@@sion8 Not a big difference, but yeah

[@obsidionwarrior1343]

@@squidking762 I would consider there to be a big difference between "coolest" and "best". Going out in a huge avalanche may seem like a cool way to die, but could be very painful and if you survive the initial wave you could be buried for a long time slowly dying- not the best way to die. Cool is a lot more subjective than best, although best can be an opinion. I could consider being burned to death to be a cool way to die, but it would certainly not be a good way to die, and definitely not the best way to die.

[@Aisha_Luv]

She said "cool" And "this is a much less cool way to die..."

[@doge_loord808]

@@obsidionwarrior1343 Jesus bro

[@chloes.3107]

Perhaps a mini theory on Widow’s mother? That plot point regarding her being a feisty woman who looked for her child relentlessly, before eventually dying and getting buried under a supposed tree (?), never really paid off. Or maybe I’m just crazy.

[@wowie_206]

One thing I noticed is that in the post credits scene Natasha was buried under a blossom tree, just like her mother. That isn't really a theory but it is something to think about.

[@RYAN_KID]

It could be the blossom tree natasha was burried under but conspiracy inside the conspiracy it could be the tree outside the shack (maybe where natasha and her family live) in the falcon and the winter soldier most likely the one the they practice on by throwing the shield at it ???? Who knows

[@Aro7241]

@@RYAN_KID It's just a memorial kinda grave right? We know her body's not actually buried there

[@judythepengu6158]

@@Aro7241 unless cap went and idk retried her dead body, it's on vormir still

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

Red Guardian: I wanna fight captain America Steve: *Still frozen in ice* William Burnside: "Fine I'll do it myself"

[@mynameisjoedahand3008]

Even though you're better than OwO, your comment still makes no sense =/

[@PurooRoy]

That's not how this meme is used.

[@KonradCurves]

Yeah but the captain America' who went back in time isn't. Two caps in the same place. One frozen and one living with Peggy

[@444angelitaa]

@Junxi Liu yeah it’s jellal

[@vivianigiehon8194]

We meet again

[@PCENES]

Marvel Writers who put that in as a joke: "write that down, WRITE THAT DOWN!"

[@TheGabrielryu]

"it's so good when internet fans do your work for free"

[@largeshark9021]

They know the material just as well or better than the internet nerds, but they won't create their own stuff, making it much easier to path between their ideas, plus they can see what kind of thoughts people are having to set up twists

[@rasheedghneim2197]

CHARLES THE FRENCH REFERENCE LMAO 🤣 🤣 🤣

[@manavkhandurie]

It's a decoy just like how wakanda,medrapor, Atlantis showed up on a map in Iron man 2 yrs before they were introduced and Atlantis is yet to be introduced 😂 if they choose to do that

[@lightdiamond7035]

The fight between captain America and the red guardian could’ve actually happened because in endgame when cap went back in time to put the infinity stones back he went to go live his life and maybe during 1983-1984 the one we know as Old man cap may have actually fought The red Guardian while the other captain America was still frozen in ice

[@jonyenchek3483]

yeah i was thinking that too

[@shawn980]

No because going back in time doesn’t change the present, remember?

[@jonyenchek3483]

hhhmmmmm

[@iWreckzombies]

@@shawn980 but old cap still shows up in Avengers Endgame so maybe it’s the same kind of loophole or time travel mix up that happened there

[@anonomous1358]

I was thinking the same thing.

[@ninja_of_light_5801]

Wait. Another theory: What if he did fight Rogers, just not the one frozen in ice. Remember when he went back in time to put back all the infinity stones? Then he stayed in that time getting back the life he lost. Maybe he did have a run in with Alexi. Just something I thought. Edit: Did not think this would get so popular. This was just something I thought up really quickly for people to think about and now there are so many theories being made.

[@ninja_of_light_5801]

@about you Do not post this on my comment.

[@PurooRoy]

He returned the stones and went back to 1945 as shown in the end. In the 60s he was no longer in his prime and he had also learnt a lot from the future so obviously he won't go around fighting Red Guardian.

[@Sly-Moose]

That's what I was saying! Can't believe MatPat didn't realise that! 🤦

[@ninja_of_light_5801]

@@PurooRoy Well Steve does age slower than normal people. And maybe the run in was accidental, we don't know what Steve was up to. I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying it's something to think about.

[@Gungelion]

I was Going to say Something similar. Except what if Steve's journey through time wasn't so simple? whatever for one reason or another he ended up in various time periods on his journey to return the infinity Stones? heck, maybe he ended up encountering kang And had to fight Him across time.

[@dontlookatthis]

Let's be honest when he asked if Captain America talked about him it seemed like a genuine question and not a lie. Maby they could do a Winter Guard movie with William Burnside based in the Cold War

[@deathsyth8888]

He fought "A" Captain America, not "The" Captain America. So he was technically correct. The best kind of correct. Unless he made it all up for Russian prison cred and then went delusional believing his own lies.

[@nickhouser3988]

I see that futurism a reference lmao

[@xXLiLJokerXx]

What if he fought Bradley as cap America

[@Scaryanimall]

Ok off topic but can y’all stop putting bob links to vids in other comments there’s 2 all ready it’s annoying

[@dreeg1896]

He’s correct by default. His favorite way to be correct!

[@DoodleGauge]

could have been the real cap since he went back in time to be with peggy and he did turn up as an old man at the end of endgame so it make sense

[@da1king0fwakanda56]

Red Guardian may have fought Steve after he went back in time at the end of Endgame. Remember when the Russo Bros said Old-man Steve was at Peggy’s funeral? That means he could’ve fought Alexi in 83-84.

[@cheeseman-qi8fp]

He would’ve been 70

[@mastercollectortcg9411]

@@cheeseman-qi8fp more like 170

[@castynscott4394]

The Russo brothers are stupid and didn’t even pay attention to their own script bc that is not how time travel works

[@EvanTubeGaming]

What if he fought the cap that travelled back in time? Wouldn't have been frozen in the ice then.

[@susman3838]

Well there goes matpats thoery

[@mompernl]

Wouldn’t he go back in time and create an alternate timeline therefore no one from the original would see him?

[@IHaveAqInMyName]

Alternate timeline branch. Doesn’t work

[@CasualCasimir]

I like that idea

[@faustandraemabulay5176]

Welp, its up to matpat to figure this one out because this kinda makes sense

[@ggennaios2255]

When Red Guardian kept referencing how he fought Cap, I was like “What!?” and figured he must have fought someone else. Glad you made a video about it 😁

[@LightDhampire]

On the theory it's time-travelling post-Engame Steve Rogers, my problems are twofold: 1) He was laying low with Peggy, not gallivanting around as Cap. 2) old Steve at the end of Endgame had lived 106 years. (give or take) If he did go out in the 80's to fight red Guardian, he would have been 74. Not what I would consider fighting shape.

[@jos6796]

I agree that it wasn’t Steve rogers based on the laying low with Peggy point, however he is roughly 117 at the end of endgame and looks maybe 80 at a maximum so I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say that at like 74 he could’ve looked in his 40s and that would be reasonable for fighting.

[@uchihasasuke7436]

to be fair red guardian wasn't in fighting shape in this entire movie and still flew up walls lol

[@Balance1308]

He may have been laying low with Peggy, but what if some circumstance forced him to don the suit one more time? There r a lot of shows where some retired badass has to go on 1 more mission despite promising never to go back in the field again. Maybe he did fight with Red Guardian.

[@ethanspiess6581]

Old cap

[@thecorrurtion215]

If Steve rogers went to protect someone because of circumstances, I’m pretty sure he would use a different identity

[@cosmicnick4186]

William Burnsides’ origin sounds very similar to the Reverse Flash. Both had an obsession with a hero they idolized and while researching their hero found a means to gain the same powers as them. In one iteration, Eobard Thawne goes through surgery to look like Barry Allen in the same way Burnside does when trying to be Captain America. Both eventually fight their former hero as well. Very similar stories it seems.

[@haze5069]

“I want to fight the real Captain America, not some blue *imposter”* - Red Guardian, probably

[@gabrielluiscastillo4706]

Blue kinda sus

[@DJSpacePug]

Captain Sus

[@astrotrain6037]

Captain America (William *Suside*

[@xfakelucid6504]

The Red Guardian is so iconic I'd love to see more of him

[@Ahbraxaz]

"Jesus, 10 years of my life..." that initial skit cracked me up xD

[@chuky426]

L

[@ChillkittzGT]

Hahaha ikr

[@snipee9655]

E

[@felicedt4912]

Same

[@Stiltzr]

T

[@ORProductionss]

The intro matpat’s wife should be happy she wasn’t chosen to die, if only he threw the coke and bought another one afterwards

[@sgwolfgang4349]

I mean I'm pretty sure the idea is that if he chooses the coke he can never drink any coke again

[@ORProductionss]

@@sgwolfgang4349 , well maybe he could switch to Gatorade lol

[@thequeenofmemesandroblox7817]

@@ORProductionss Or pepsi

[@YtWuff]

​@@ORProductionss or that one harris teeter thing

[@ORProductionss]

@@YtWuff, wow I completely forgot I made this comment a few years ago, how you doing?

[@Vrex360]

I feel personally attacked by this character's last name.

[@tomorrowisyesterday3215]

James Burnside!...

[@bobbotherosso8110]

Hmm....something you wanna tell us, James?

[@captainjacksparrow1518]

Ahhh the fake. IMPOSTER!

[@hashimmooraj6239]

Ok, but just to be safe do you remember having control in fascist USA

[@senzmaki]

@@captainjacksparrow1518 Amogdsus?

[@alexxxxxxx6261]

As i do have a Soviet mother, I can confirm. Those accents are really on point

[@not_very_neek5827]

Well, the side characters were pretty on point but the main characters were eh, probably bc the actors were American

[@elijahpadilla5083]

@@not_very_neek5827 A lot of covert agents, just like actors, can lose their accents if they're deployed somewhere for too long; telemarketers exploit this by sending their workers to live in Ohio and intentionally breaking their accents out of them. That at least explains the Widows.

[@bh4vvy33t]

:o

[@jadenyuki3138]

Mother russia

[@Littlekoji-df1cf]

Nice👍

[@bladeswinton1224]

I have a slightly different theory what if the Captain America that Red Guardian fought was actually the Winter Soldier disguised as Captain America in an attempt to get the same launch codes but ran into Red Guardian who already had the codes

[@PztWong]

So, it would be Soviet Icon vs Soviet Hydra ... cool

[@muhammadHassan-kj1jy]

Thats actually quite cool

[@dimmadome454]

Ive been saying that for a while. Who hest to draw out Red guardian than Captain America? Bucky Barnes is so connected to Steve's run as cap that Alexei probably wouldn't look to much into it if he saw his face. He would just think oh its captain America...cool, lets fight this boi. Hydra also sent bucky for Isaiah to get more super soldiers. Alexi being a super soldier and having already crossed hydra, he would be a prime target for the super soldier/winter soldier program. It also just seens like right up their wheelhouse to mess with bucky like that.

[@kinemod1252]

I have a different theory He lied

[@Buckethead.325]

If this is the case, then imagine if we see this in S2 and we finally get to see Bucky in his Cap Attire, wielding his own shield.

[@Keenath]

Well, the payoff to Alexei's stories about fighting Cap was the fight with Taskmaster, who was mirroring Cap's moves, so Alexei got to finally have his fight with Captain America -- at least by proxy. But it's still weird that he asks Nat if Cap ever talks about Red Guardian, because if he was just making up stories he'd KNOW he'd never actually met Cap and there's no way Cap would be aware of him.

[@britanimations2002]

Okay but tbf if it was between diet coke and Nugget Steph I think MatPat would've made the right call

[@Phe_]

@Lucien Rose oh no way that’s crazy I’m the 178th like See? Nobody cares.

[@isakjones5836]

@@Phe_ to bad it doesn't count dislikes or I'd tell you my place on your comment.

[@bruhstop8499]

I think he had a tough time because imagine if your partner loved a drink more than you

[@guyinasuit8078]

@@bruhstop8499 if it was diet coke I'd understand

[@thesovietunion5801]

technically there is no win for steph if matpat chooses her she ded if he chooses diet coke then thats his favourite

[@Logan_but_not]

I really like how mat is including Stephanie and more of the theorist team in the intros. Helps to remind the audience that there is more than just mat to these shows.

[@jordyisdrunk]

*gets pushed down to death for souls stone” Matpat: “Still thirstyyyyyyyyyyyy”

[@cyannice]

Imagine if MatPat threw the Diet Coke... That would've been a disaster...

[@neverendar1778]

But he has another cola to take it's place.

[@mintymouths]

@@neverendar1778 oh yeah there was that cola tournament on food theory, I should rewatch that one after this

[@justatheorist.3864]

@@mintymouths spoiler: teeter cola

[@LXW-Arts]

What if he drank non diet coke and didn't say cut at the end of his videos

[@morrigankasa570]

Diet Coke is gross but if you enjoy it. Cola might be refreshing but p*ssy is more delicious:)

[@tr0n4556]

coming back to this video just 2 years later really does show just how much hope there was in the MCU. how times have changed... pre-covid MCU and and post-covid MCU aren't the same animal.

[@estefanoespinozapiccoli7015]

Imagine a Falcón and The Winter Soldier Season 2 with this story and the appearence of the Red Guardian, it would be Epic

[@ethantodd4042]

Even better, a red guardian series

[@abhinavranjan98]

There is no season 2.

[@estefanoespinozapiccoli7015]

@@abhinavranjan98 You know the meaning of the word "Imagine" right?

[@Ludywn]

Falcon and the Winter soldier was a movie split into parts. There will not be a season 2

[@sciblastofficial9833]

Falcón?

[@kaixiong641]

"Jesus, 10 years of my life" A small price to pay for a soul stone

[@OkKo-ii3ei]

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[@Gusthebus16]

lmao

[@imnormal6810]

Get the time stone and she can get all that time back

[@JHH99k]

lmfao

[@InvertedBread]

Lol

[@micahsanjuan8637]

Did we forget that Steve Rogers traveled back in time to be with Agent Carter? The serum allows for slow aging.

[@93teegz]

Yeah I was thinking this too. Like he went back I time on that same time line and universe coz how else would he have shown up later old to give away the shield. Clearly he would have been around for the cold war

[@sauriers-rexusdiscordytcha6704]

@@93teegz maybe the tva swooped in and he was like i just want to live with peggy grow old and give the shield to sam and the tva was like ok but you need to follow these rules

[@pkmoments]

@@sauriers-rexusdiscordytcha6704 I don’t think the tva compromises. Probably was just supposed to happen

[@KiraNightV]

It is possible that while he was returning the Infinity Stones he ran into Red Guardian. He specifically went back to do that and then retire. Even though I don't think Steve would just watch if help was needed he had to keep a low profile.

[@antisyth7809]

Are you forgetting time travel doesint effect the present Only Doing something that not suppose to happen creates a branch

[@devviebcwhynot8185]

I like Natashas back story a lot, it gives a real undertone to real life problems Natasha was sold and trafficked as a baby bc her family struck a deal that her mother didn’t agree with. Of course traffickers don’t (or at least I don’t think) want to turn young girls into super spy’s but it gives a good look into what happens when children are abandoned or kidnapped

[@EthanJbleethan]

Theory idea: how powerful has iron man's rocket engines underneath his feet and hands have to be for him to go as fast as he does in the movies?

[@sauriers-rexusdiscordytcha6704]

good question because he managed to keep up with a nuke and a jet not sure which tho

[@sujithsudhakaran745]

@@sauriers-rexusdiscordytcha6704 he could go supersonic in the first movie so he should be atleast hypersonic by now 😂

[@TheWATproduction]

Call Austin

[@sujithsudhakaran745]

More obvious question is not the power of an engine but how does it generate thrust. it's not a conventional jet engine since there is no fuel to power it

[@uvindukulathunga3860]

@@sujithsudhakaran745 Its called repulsor tech which as per my knowladge is derelictly produced by arc reactor 𝐎𝐑 its is something like thora hammer creating lightning (nk explaination its just there)

[@maciejczerwinski1361]

Marvel writers who just wanted to make funny joke in the movie: Write that down, write that down!

[@marblethunder4323]

10:38 Matt: "It gets a bit confusing-" Comic Drake: "Because Comics!"

[@trevynlane8094]

I like this theory, it makes a lot of sense. Red Guardian would probably be very upset to find out that he fought a fake Cap.

[@eggo-beggo]

Hey mat! I just got done with surgery yesterday and I’ve been really uncomfortable. You’ve helped me be more happy while recovering and I just want to say thx

[@brenudo997]

I always thought that the payoff for Alexei's stories (which, granted, this was never addressed by any characters, even Red Guardian) was his one-on-one fight with Taskmaster, who was using the shield and had several moves that seemed to be modelled off of Cap. Effectively allowing him to finally have a "real" fight with "Captain America".

[@Wolffman109]

8:44 Don't forget: Howard Stark had managed to recreate the Super Soldier Serum, before it was stolen by the Winter Soldier so HYDRA could make more Super-Soldiers. Not to mention, Wilfred Nagel managed to make the serum that enhanced Karli Morgenthau, the Flag-Smashers, and John Walker, so it's not out of the question that the government did have more serum created. Honestly, I really hope that this theory is correct, because other than Steve Rogers, Bucky Barnes, and John Walker, William Burnside is my favorite Captain America.

[@Raghavsmalik]

The fact that this released on the day scarlet Johansen sues marvel is hilarious

[@caitlinb2521]

she sued Disney, not marvel

[@Raghavsmalik]

Marvel is a branch of Disney and her contract was with marvel so

[@Raghavsmalik]

She sued cause they released it on Disney plus and that was not in her contract

[@dranzerjetli5126]

What

[@nicholasjarrett4480]

@@Raghavsmalik She didn’t sue Marvel Studios directly, she sued Disney. Marvel didn’t do anything wrong. It was Disney that released the film whilst disregarding her agreement with Marvel.

[@robertquimby4033]

I can see this being a payoff in the next Captain America and The Winter Soldier. Evans comes back but playing Burnside. Then there's a big emotional struggle with Bucky who wants to believe Steve is back but something seems off.

[@redstarbayyt3528]

now that a good one

[@InvinciDon]

So this is what I wanna know, since Alexei received the serum, he’s stopped aging. So how old IS Alexei exactly?

[@sparemobius7430]

I dont know if he stopped aging, but he ages slower for sure. Look at Cap in Endgame, he aged, so I imagine it is the same, just takes much longer.

[@lorenzosteele2531]

Ut picture is alucard and I just finished playing sotn

[@hectorbarbossa4403]

Its really hard to Tell the Serum definitlx Slows down aging In Endgame old Cap Was i 100 something years and looked around 80 years old in The BW Movie Alexei is somewhere roughly between 50 and 90 years old

[@brandoncameron8467]

I'm exited for a What If episode cause there is so much he could do. He could point out timeline divergences, analize the specific episodes, even "Theorize" his own what if

[@DrewPalmquist]

In endgame, Steve Rogers took the tesseract back to the past and lived back to to the present. red guardian could have found Steve Rogers because he was living in 1984.

[@xe1la_xx]

OMG THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING

[@JacksonOnYouTube]

That contradicts the time travel

[@luansomething380]

Nice one!

[@Brandon-dy8us]

@@JacksonOnKZbin the movie contradicted time travel in the first place by letting him travel back in time in his own timeline.

[@jp-zp3ds]

That doesn’t make sense with the mcu’s form of time travel

[@orbed8296]

Film theory: “We haven’t seen abomination in 2008” Lego marvel movies: am I a joke to you

[@owyemen9367]

Wait there are lego marvel MOVIES?

[@orbed8296]

@@owyemen9367 yes they were on nefflix

[@orbed8296]

Until they removed it

[@majorman925]

*2008

[@paultoc2657]

Hi are you female?

[@kaiba5271]

Film Theory idea: Finding out SpongeBobs anatomy. He’s done many crazy things with his body, especially on the inside, like cutting potatoes and a record player.

[@bubblemcnamara9863]

Matt needs to do this

[@localtoiletstealer2245]

Also the Nevadan from madness combat, like, why do some nevadans from that series have teeth and some dont? Also, why do 2 of them have a full mouth???

[@nightwave2k6]

My wife and I had the theory that Alexei fought Old Man Steve who got restless being Director Carter's househusband. We did some basic math and speculation and Old Man Steve was 78 in 1984, but would have been functionally early 60s thanks to the serum. And, he had a spare shield lying around, too...

[@ethinwhite3454]

This is officially headcanon for me. I’m gonna try an elaborate on this.

[@incognito8925]

I’d like to point out that the 1984 comic was released in 1984, especially since it’s about a fascist evil dictator who suppressed differences

[@galacticgamin1yt709]

reference to george orwell’s “1984”?

[@marystringer4667]

And that was the story of how steph became the ruler of the universe

[@OkKo-ii3ei]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/eImrh3d_Z7SNn7M.

[@paultoc2657]

Hi are you female?

[@marystringer4667]

Ummm yes?

[@paultoc2657]

@@marystringer4667 how long is your hair in centimeters

[@TFGA_tFoMS]

@@marystringer4667 hey dont worry about him, he is an f'ing creep, I would like to report him but I cant find a section to do so

[@redstoneraptor8101]

Was the pig suffocating scene something that was played for laughs? I was pretty horrified by it, and about to burst into tears until Melina finally let it breathe again.

[@JamieHitt]

I think it’s a lot simpler than that. He did fight “our” Captain America. Peggy’s husband. You have to remember, Steve didn’t return through the machine,… He just lived out his life in our time.

[@ashenbreese]

good call

[@benjaminlore6633]

yeah, but i think his other life was in an alt timeline

[@RobProb-X]

This cancels out the time travel system for the MCU-

[@ashenbreese]

i've wondered all along if maybe they never did have the ability to travel through time, only through the multiverse. even though it was a bad show, future man tackled the idea pretty well: once you leave a timeline/universe you can never return to it, only some other version of it.

[@abbyweitzel5286]

🙂

[@artystamati92]

Maybe he fought the Steve that came back to Peggy after Endgame? Given the whole sacred timeline that both is and isnt at the same time he could have lived on this timeline anyway... idk

[@kxmuna]

He would create a alternitive timeline if that happened

[@erickhernandezcrispin9671]

@@kxmuna isnt the point of the TVA to delete branched timelines? So if Steve went back and live there the only way he could have done it, is to be in the same timeline right?

[@Arcade_Raven]

3:03. “Will smash for cash”. Nice one Matt Patt ;P

[@OkKo-ii3ei]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/eImrh3d_Z7SNn7M.

[@owyemen9367]

"I'm thirsty"

[@pkmntrainerred4247]

3:12 Me: THE EVIL CAPATAIN AMERICA FROM SECRET EMPIRE EVENT! Matpat: WILLIAM BURNSIDE Me: Who tf is Burnside?

[@megatrixel6121]

He probably fought cap on caps second time around, considering he goes back in time and then lives a whole life, which means that when he would be in the ice, his future self would still be out and about, and lets be honest, super heroing is something you just don't stop as THE american hero.

[@loveit8293]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/iqeZgKahbM2IgKs☺

[@BillyBobJoeSurviv]

I don’t think that’s how time travel works, and cap would be like 160 and he wouldn’t wanna fight

[@jg1692]

It’s a different timeline

[@johnmcvay4403]

Explain the shield

[@megatrixel6121]

@@BillyBobJoeSurviv At the end of endgame, cap disappeared, and then was on a bench old and shitty. The super soldier serum could very well have kept him alive that long. While the man sitting on the bench would have been done fighting, not the cap that would have run into our guy here, not really.

[@dbb3videos912]

he fought one of those captain Americas that asks kids if they want to take pictures in Times Square

[@therealfilmnerd]

I like the thought that he did fight a captain America, makes me feel happy for him

[@irongorillafederation1082]

Um "You calling me a liar URSA" as in Soviet Hulk Ursa Major.... really Mat missed that. Also haven't read it but could Burnside be a reference to the Union general Robert Burnside?

[@Pensive_Scarlet]

I'm surprised more people didn't immediately jump to this conclusion. Thanks for putting this on more people's radars, it means we might get the hype needed to see a really interesting Red Guardian story some day.

[@williamheath7058]

I feel like he actually went against bucky whilst he was he was in the shield base and just didnt know who he was and thought it was Cao and then lost track of time

[@coins_png]

And the shield ?

[@pjdianalan7934]

But the problem was Red Guardian at least knows the distinction between Bucky and Captain America.

[@Thesnowyman]

@@coins_png a replica

[@williamheath7058]

@@pjdianalan7934 ture but hydra knows everything about everyone and probably knew that they had to make bucky look like cap or distinctive enough to the point no one would realise and go snooping

[@andrewdowns3673]

The opening with the diet coke was hilarious! You go Stephanie. Edit: Yall's replies are weird.

[@MbitaChizi]

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[@OkKo-ii3ei]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/eImrh3d_Z7SNn7M

[@ryanharkin4964]

@TommyInnit 🅥 OMG REAL TOMMYINNIT! TOTALLY NOT FAKE

[@charon1671]

it's my honor to be the first reply here who isn't a bot

[@surgecentral05]

@@charon1671 congratulations

[@T3nMiDGET5711]

I love how MattPatt just casually dies in the first 30 seconds of the video

[@moai1212]

Ok that’s it in 2034 I’m coming back and commenting “Matpat, your wrong”

[@anopaishee]

Hey can u buy me an xbox

[@enderknight39]

Jhesmges

[@mackthediplomatmtd1092]

"So, to reCap, Steve Rogers-" I see what you did there

[@resurekt97]

There's also a chance he could've fought the REAL Steve Rogers Captain America when Steve went back in time to return the infinity stones at the end of endgame. Now that I'd love to see live action or on What If?.

[@sheacoburn8328]

Not a high chance as there would be no reason for cap to fight during that time

[@patrickmcevoy2555]

yea but remenver end game time travel when u go to the past to change the future you instead change a alternate past making a alternte branch

[@-silver0199]

@@patrickmcevoy2555 Which is something that more or less went out the window when old man Rogers shows up. Meaning that they are living in the time branch created when Rogers went back in time to return the stones the entire time.

[@milkymurderer907]

@@-silver0199 Actually they said he went to a alternate branch, lived with Peggy and came back somehow after she died (probably with pym particles) This was confirmed

[@patrickmcevoy2555]

@@-silver0199 well directors ret conned that steve rogers went to a alternate universeto live out his life which doesn't even make sense cause i dont see how hed'd get back

[@Hans140]

3:03 “will smash for cash” what a poor choice of words

[@Ausjuuhbal]

As I’m watching this, reports are coming out that Scarlett Johansson is suing Disney for a breach of contract. Talk about timing.

[@buzzheadguy7139]

Can you send me the article link? I wanna read it

[@DarthAxolotl]

I havent heard anything about this? I'd love to read the news source

[@starling1226]

@@DarthAxolotl if it’s not too late philip defranco made a video talking about it

[@imthinkingleeku]

me: sees miss minutes appear for a second **screams**

[@scuproductions]

To me it's pretty simple falcon and Winter soldier confirmed that there were different Captain America's when he was in the ice so I'm pretty sure they actually confirmed there that he did fight a fake cap. Now Matpat touches on this in the video. So let's see where he goes with this. Ok yeah mat took it a cool direction.

[@MbitaChizi]

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[@NoodleProductions]

@BILLIE SAYS DUH I’ll help your mom save some money 🙂

[@mynameisjoedahand3008]

=/

[@Brian21000]

Funny that this sounds pretty correct but you commented before you watched the whole video 😅

[@Elias-jg1uu]

Ummm no…there were other SUPER SOLDIERS but not Captain Americas

[@ClappedBimmers]

I think it’s more realistic to think that he fought old captain America, as he went back in time and was apparently living quietly where nobody could find him.

[@kevonhamer6267]

You should do a film theory on Ryan George. Even though The James Theory did a video on him already, I think that there is still more to uncover.

[@Mysterey101]

Filmtheory & Ryan collabed back for the Joker movie

[@Zarreth]

Everyone is secretly Ryan George.

[@ParadoxPerson02]

Yes.

[@SnickersEatsCookies]

@@Zarreth or is ryan george secretly everyone

[@Irishfatboy]

If he were to really be a villain of an avengers or captain America movie, he would be amazing.

[@bryannkam]

Especially since a fight between Sam and William would be fairly indicative of Captain America as a symbol. As a clash between these two would essentially be a metaphorical battle between the hopeful and idealistic future that America as a country could have and the living embodiment of everything wrong with America as a nation.

[@RanDix]

When he said Secret Empire I thought he was talking about militant

[@Tribalfan88x]

No, he meant the event where Steve Rogers had secretly been a Hydra agent all along, trying to establish Hydra World Domination

[@dimmadome454]

I've noticed that too. But I really think it was Bucky in disguise. Who best to draw out Red guardian than Captain America? Plus Bucky Barnes is so connected to Steve's run as cap that Alexei probably wouldn't look to much into it if he saw his face. He would just think oh its Captain America...cool, lets fight this boi. Hydra also sent Bucky for Isaiah to get more super soldiers. Alexi being a super soldier and having already crossed hydra, he would be a prime target for the super soldier/winter soldier program. It also just seens like right up their wheelhouse to mess with Bucky like that.

[@meghansimpson7401]

Hey matpat, the latest ghostbusters trailer just released and I was wondering something. How did Gazer return when she was destroyed back in 1984 by the og ghostbusters. I was just wondering, do you mind if you can answer that next video with what we have so far. As long as you read this, I'm happy.

[@meghansimpson7401]

Omg,thank you guys so much for the support, do you think he will make this video. Or is it just a dream. Make sure to like this comment and video, not just for me, but for matpat. Too. And also subscribe

[@toonthopia5543]

Hey matpat make this theory happen

[@theparapsychologypodcast3387]

I would definitely make a reaction video on that, probably one of the best theories I’ve heard in a while

[@peyotecowboy3199]

Was she destroyed or was the doorway destroyed? Also the marshmallow man might have been just an avatar, not gozer herself.

[@theparapsychologypodcast3387]

@@peyotecowboy3199 well you gotta remember, she was in the stay puff marshmallow man. And the doorway is was brought her. So they both got destroyed.

[@TheGeorgegenesis]

After listening intensely to Matt's theory I realised that "I'm still thirstyyyyyy".

[@matthewmcshane399]

Nice to mention William Burneside he's a underrated part of the marvel mythos

[@projectzorgo-robloxoperation]

Hey Matt, Do a film theory about The Amazing World Of Gumball! You should crack what happens on the cliffhanger!

[@RandomAttemptGaming]

Seems like no one remembers that Cap was living his life out in the 40's, maybe Red Guardian fought an Older Cap

[@jjthecrashdummy3565]

he lived in a different timeline and then came back to the main.

[@paultoc2657]

Hi are you female?

[@Himmyjewett]

@@paultoc2657 weirdo

[@oblitusunum6979]

@@jjthecrashdummy3565 no he didn't, because he couldn't be on the bench if it was a different timeline. Basically you can't be in California and Japan at the same time. Plus he wasn't pruned because it was planned as such. In such he was there all along but remained private once he was thawed.

[@munchydoodles4538]

@@paultoc2657 sus

[@Yokina]

0:45 that was a really cool challenge

[@OkKo-ii3ei]

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[@easy.2102]

He went back and lived in the past in endgame, which means that Steve Rogers was there the whole time

[@johnmcvay4403]

Explain the shield.

[@Amccordford]

@@johnmcvay4403 He knew about Wakanda, maybe?

[@DreadPirate321]

But the way time travel in end game worked was that it created a separate timeline because you truly couldn't change your main past. So when Cap went back to Peggy he was no longer in his timeline but a different one.

[@wimpymcsteel4458]

Yep. That was my first thought. But.... a 55ish Steve Rodgers forced to come out of "Retirement" for some reason to face off against a Red Guardian in his prime? Yeah, definitely possible.

[@Finalizor]

Big Brain

[@beeto45]

4:35 red guardian kinda reminded me of mister incredible

[@MineKurtMininer]

I kinda hoped he'd be Captain Canada

[@beeto45]

@@MineKurtMininer i havent seen all of the tie-ins; does he ever appear again? if not will he ever, in the future?

[@MineKurtMininer]

@@beeto45 in the comics, but in a different alias, The Guardian/Vindicator

[@beeto45]

@@MineKurtMininer thanks, i read a lot; but theres an infinite amount of characters out there we might never even know about...

[@rosecity_chris]

I'd love for them to bring David Habor back, he deserves it.

[@drishtantsen]

" Is this the greatest power in the universe?" Cracked me up.

[@theoddone3938]

2:07 “theory crafting never dies” also the existence of sans is ness, you sure about that?

[@TFGA_tFoMS]

@Soldier [TF2] we did get a Hollow Knight theory, but mossbag tore it to shreds.

[@pearmint308]

can we not do this? The whole twitter thing is really depressing

[@comixamples524]

Also the Serum that Blonsky used in Incredible Hulk was driving him insane which is a side effect in the comics that happen to Burnside.

[@zombchamp9630]

Best part of the video 0:28 Still thirsty🤣🤣🤣

[@BitlySkope]

0:23 Dang MatPat. I didn't know you were that type of guy. ;P

[@doctorstrange3740]

🔴🙏🔵🤌🫴🟣

[@winnertime7026]

I think he forgot that cap went back in time and lived a normal life in the past, it’s very possible that he was able to still fight the real captain America it’s not likely because he probably would have layed low but I think it’s a good point to bring up

[@shairisavihar2747]

Alt timeline

[@kalechip9074]

Timeline brancc

[@MrX-pi5hv]

Well it was a different timeline altogether what he did there doesn't effect this timeline

[@rileykataria149]

did anyone else notice that he called the guy "Ursa" at 5:32? as in Ursa Major, another Soviet avenger.

[@elongatedsedation324]

You can probably guess my immediate thoughts when I saw the word "Imposter" on the thumbnail.

[@OkKo-ii3ei]

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[@kenneth1997]

Yep

[@marcogonzales7070]

Sus😳

[@masicbemester]

when Cap sus

[@firstname697]

Sussy Cap😳?

[@djstankdaddy9579]

When cap stayed with peggie it made a new timeline that he was in. He was both in the ice and living with peggie until the avengers movie. Since being a hero was practically in his DNA, its not so far fetched that in that time with peggie they would have gone on a few missions. It was the real cap 😊

[@rifucurktushwjeydnydheh]

Plus he could've fought him before loving with peggie

[@nobodycaresabouttheusernam3597]

Cpa would be 70 years old in 1984 It wasnt captain america

[@djstankdaddy9579]

@@nobodycaresabouttheusernam3597 yeah he was, but his healing abilities and health would have acc put him physically closer to his mid to late 40s

[@smayanbuildz-builder5235]

@@djstankdaddy9579 still not the age i would be going around as a hero with that vibranium frisbee

[@thembanitheone]

Schrödinger's Cap.

[@leahyoung5293]

But what about when Steve went back in time to live his life in his own era? Instead of coming back in the time machine he was sitting on a bench as an old man. Could things have happened during then!?

[@jjthecrashdummy3565]

no because that was a different timeline. at the end of endgame after putting back the stones, he lived in a different timeline then came back to the main.

[@derrickdaniels3955]

That makes since.

[@PosiDoesMore]

The events of the main timeline were not altered by what Steve did, so no.

[@oblitusunum6979]

@@jjthecrashdummy3565 he couldn't be on the bench if he was in a different timeline. More than likely he just avoided everyone after he was thawed out. With his wife ill the way she was she wouldn't remember him or tell on him. Although it would hurt him he could not go to the funeral too.

[@asc3nded397]

Yeah but the timeline where he lived with Peggy was different from the sacred timeline he left. He just traveled back to the sacred timeline when he was old to ensure he could give sam the shield.

[@asadelfadillah8008]

14:32 As a My Hero Academia fan, this quote sings to my ears in so many ways...

[@simple__sigma3287]

Endeavor

[@soronexle2681]

Can we take a moment to appreciate how the Film Theory Logo is a near perfect size to be the star on the shield in the end? Nice thinking.