Film Theory: The Dark Avengers Are Coming! (Marvel Phase 4 & Black Widow)

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With Black Widow being pushed back to the end of the year, we have plenty of time to dissect the trailer for any and all secrets hidden in it! I think that by using the Black Widow trailer, I've figured out exactly what Marvel has planned for Phase 4 - and boy is it a doozy! I think not only are we getting General Ross as Red Hulk, but I think we may be getting an entire lineup of Dark Avengers! Get ready for some serious theorising folks!
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Credits:
Writer: Matthew Patrick and Zach Stewart
Editors: Alex "Sedge" Sedgwick, Danial "BanditRants" Keristoufi, and Koen Verhagen
Assistant Editor: AlyssaBeCrazy
Sound Editor: Yosi Berman
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[@AlexPerez-tv1zg]

Everyone: No why did Natasha have to die? MatPat: *here’s a little lesson in trickery*

[@haicoai6269]

S kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6q3eZeFn56Br6s

[@tygerion4404]

But is it going down in history?

[@Uncomical_117]

We are number one

[@artomaton776]

@@haicoai6269 >:(

[@dr-chicken7277]

If Natasha was replaced by yelana,would that have meant that in end game,she would have died instead of Natasha

[@hansonhu1846]

Marvel: Let's just throw a trailer with a bunch of random scenes in it and let the youtubers create our script.

[@murphy0522]

Genius

[@Sergant744]

Stonks

[@tanuki01]

Geoff Johns: (stops playing with action figures) wait, that’s an option?!

[@BPgamemaster12]

That would an actual fun idea.

[@personismaybe0610]

Other Marvel workers:that how we made Endgame

[@ethanbartiromo2888]

I love his reference to Ryan George with the movie pitch room and saying, “barely an inconvenience”

[@alanjukic6743]

the whole intro is pitch meeting wise

[@isitjustin4459]

Oh referencing pitch meeting is tight

[@billiardface439]

Whoopsie

[@poopymcgoofy]

I was thinking any body understanded that refernce

[@jonathonmeasday8451]

Ooh! doing something some other KZbin does is tight

[@trimeta]

I'd say Matt got like 10% right in this theory. Yes, Yelena is joining the Thunderbolts/Dark Avengers, but they're led by Valentina Allegra de Fontaine, not Ross (although the two may be working together). However, AIM didn't show up, supersoldier serum didn't show up, face-swapping didn't show up (other than the same masks as in previous films), there's no indication that Red Hulk is part of the team (the other member we know about is U.S.Agent, and trailers for Shang Chi imply that Abomination may take the "similar to Hulk" slot instead of Red Hulk), and we're explicitly given mundane explanations for Natasha's hair and vest (rather than those being hints she's really Yelena).

[@shiluk84]

Yup. It's a separate level of entertainment to watch these prediction video after things actually happened to prove it wrong

[@thatlonewolfguy2878]

Honestly I agree, it still works either way, we would get Yelena, Valentina and new-ex-Cap from Falcon and Winter Soldier, Abomination since he showed up in Shang-Chi so is canonically part of the MCU now so that's at the very least 3 I guess enhanced if you count Yelena, John and Abomination then throw in 1 or 2 more and boom, there's your team

[@the-Jubi-no-okami]

alot for a cat profile pic

[@sharksantillan2844]

@@thatlonewolfguy2878 They could bring back Agent Pointdexter (Bullseye) from the Netflix show Edit: Don't forget about Zemo

[@juliand4979]

@@sharksantillan2844 well he did become bullseye at the end of it whose also part of that team

[@slothbushido9436]

I feel like when people make theory’s about whats gonna happen in a show or movie and the creator sees it I’d like to think they say “oh.. that’s way better then what we had planned”

[@jaccyo6063]

I’m pretty sure that’s what they do on a whole lot of movies

[@mapachecomunista6276]

I like to think that every now and then people accurately guess what's going to happen and then they have to change it.

[@mythmage8231]

Thats what Overwatch did with Sigma. Quite a shame

[@johndavis5934]

I am a dungeon master for DnD. Let me tell you that when my players are theorizing I am taking notes. They come up with some fantastic ideas and i'll admit I have changed the story to fit those ideas in the moment.

[@OneColeGuy]

John Davis I’m guilty of this as well. Sometimes their ideas are just better.

[@Tay-tb9rz]

In Endgame, her red roots grew out and Red Skull referred to her as "Natasha Romanoff"... If you're saying that's not her in Infinity War, I wonder what would be serious enough that she had to be switched during that time...

[@1238mattyb]

Yeah I get what you mean but on the other hand if she is alive (she probably not ) then that would be a reason why hulk couldn’t bring her back to life because she all ready was. But like you said she probably is dead

[@ScrubNigel]

Indeed. It might have tricked everyone else, but I seriously doubt it could trick Red Skull as the guardian. Also, I have even more doubts it could trick the "Soul stone"-test. If the disguise didn't trick the Soul stone, then Clint loved Natasha's sister most in the whole world, once his family was dead. So no, that must have been the real Natasha.

[@zylillilyz836]

maybe in the five years that were skipped

[@coryhooper8895]

maybe its like a shinigami thing where you see the persons name with their face, but f your wearing someone elses face it could trick you

[@zylillilyz836]

@@greghunters9534 on the contrary, Natasha would be dead and "fake Natasha" would be alive

[@Dudeman23rd]

Well, this video certainly...aged... But honestly he didn't do half bad. ScarJo may not be coming back, and Secretary Ross may have had nothing to do with it, but Contessa Valentina Allegra de Fontaine's appearance at the end of the movie, after showing up in TFATWS, is pretty concrete evidence that we're getting _some_ version of the Dark Avengers. That's exciting.

[@alijaved9617]

This video was the perfect example of "Getting the right answer with the wrong formula".

[@exploreandbeyond2432]

Yay and the vest she has on she gives it to her

[@havelockvetinari3032]

It's like the time I screwed up a chemistry experiment so badly I got it 100% correct when only 90% was expected.

[@Bryan-Ace]

they were mimicking screenrant, it was on purpous

[@mabelamah3674]

I know it's and its 8:51

[@BananaWasTaken]

Wait, this isn’t screen rant pitch meeting, he went “Woopsie” “Woopsie” Instead of “Whoops” “Woopsie” IVE CAUGHT YOU NOW IMPOSTER

[@aamak4209]

Hahahahah

[@aamak4209]

Catching him is pretty is barely an inconvenience

[@rubub8455]

WITCH!! BURN HIM!! BUURRN!!!

[@wrathfulcucumber1979]

@@rubub8455 he's not a witch he's a husband

[@silly_on_]

MatPat was not the Impostor.

[@ashwinkelly2523]

In The Future: Matpat Fans: ‘Uh, this didn’t happen.’ Matpat: ‘I’m gonna need you to get all the way off my back about that.’

[@TheUnintentionalWildCard]

Yup

[@crazyvillainfan4877]

Oh i'll get right off that thing

[@matthiasvanassche9971]

Poor guy we make him feel like all his theory’s need to be right

[@nathanlally8535]

Lol

[@adamm751]

As he always says after every video: “But hey, that’s just a theory!”

[@eastgalaxy6477]

I was legitimately confused when the title screen for Flim Theory showed up, like "Isn't this a Pitch Meeting?" Matpat has really perfected his pitch meeting voice

[@josh_aqua_arts]

Indeedio

[@okuyasunijimura2752]

Same

[@Lokear]

Well, it isn't hard to do so. Some might say it's super easy, barely an inconvenience...

[@krm1930]

Really doesn't

[@izarheriotza5315]

I was listening to it at first and I was really confused until I looked at what I was watching

[@realism3179]

Had to rewatch this theory. Good theory; but, red skull calling Natasha by her name puts a giant hole right through this theory.

[@ayutism]

Yes, exactly. That's why I think, That Natasha did switch into Yelena, But at the end switched back and the hair was dyed and she just didn't want to dye it back to normal, sort of as a 'new look', maybe?

[@krishivbhagat7764]

@@ayutism what if yelena was taken by her ans he always had the red hair, so when her identity was switched, she still had the red hair

[@samarthgoel5835]

she ha blonde hair only in infinity war and red skull called her by her name in endgame, so they probably switched again after infinity war or yelena just blipped

[@diakounknown1225]

No. Even if that part of the theory was wrong, the rest of the theory would still be 100% plausible

[@diakounknown1225]

The only thing necessary from that part is that Yelena exists.

[@awesomeness1116]

Wait this was almost a year ago? I didn’t know wandavision and falcon and the winter soldier were teased then.

[@Khalid-xc8ul]

they were all announced at comic-con 2019 along with most of the rest of phase 4 and we were supposed to get TFATWS as the first dsny+ exclusive at the beginning of 2020 with wandavison coming exactly right before dr.strange 2

[@borhex]

Marvel be looking at this like: WHY HAS NOBODY HERE THOUGHT OF THAT!?

[@Gravitei]

Bojan Zigic people have thought about this for months 😳

[@ItsMeISaid]

Everyone has been thinking this for over a year now😂

[@daerbtac3968]

@@ItsMeISaid They said here which means anyone who works for Marvel not the fans

[@chiesweeney7260]

Guys pls help me ask Matt to do a theory on the new movie the Willoughbys

[@g21f62]

Matpat: The Dark Avengers! Disney: Write that down. Marvel: I don’t think so

[@tanuki01]

Spicy Pricy Geoff Johns: no, let’s hear him out. Marvel: how did you even get in here? Geoff: I go where I’m needed

[@Darth_K_K]

Dark Avengers yes, Thunderbolts no. MODOK is actually halfway canon already in the MCU so it could work

[@neonwaffle3327]

a-ddolla how is M.O.D.O.K canon?

[@Darth_K_K]

@@neonwaffle3327 In the Iron Man 3 Mobile Game, which takes place after Iron Man 3 (Presumably Canon, as it explains why he built suits again after he destroyed them all), Killian, the dude behind AIM that dies, actually uploaded his brain (similar to the scientist dude from civil war) into MODOK

[@TheAres1999]

@@Darth_K_K minor nitpick, but the brain guy was in Winter Soldier, not Civil War. It would be cool though if some of the lore for the series comes from a video game, that would help play into the major connected universe.

[@gianfrancomarelli9686]

Dude, it's been over a year after this video was relesed and I'm still shocked by it. I mean, you got almost everything wrong but also right! According to what you noticed in the clothing details, you are a true detective. Keep going on, I love your work!

[@liamisthedead0534]

11:18 actually natasha is wearing that vest because it has a lot of pockets

[@rogerc.963]

It does have a lot of pockets though.

[@royalknight2808]

@@rogerc.963 Right!??! Isn't it so cool!??!?!

[@MaDOS_dsplyName]

When he started talking about the face swap thing, I thought he was gonna say that it's actually Yelena who died in Endgame and that Natasha is still alive.

[@bluscout2992]

Pretty sure he is hinting at it, or opening up the possibility of it.

[@LightLock]

I'm still waiting for him to explain away that scene. Cuz wouldn't that have meant that yelena died?

[@Michaeljefferson9000]

Which, honestly, could make a lot of sense as to why the Hulk couldn't bring her back to life. Natasha, by this theory, would have already been alive to begin with.

[@justanotherbench]

Hulk couldn’t bring her back cause she already was 😱

[@justanotherbench]

Ba Doai STOP IT

[@YouTubeGaming-ul1jp]

Where's AntMan when you need him, like he could shrink down to the size of the virus and destroy it

[@michaeliv284]

Not even close to an effective stratagy

[@nathanrail-road9662]

I want to die

[@zahid5434]

antman vs hundreds of thousands of viruses

[@toiletroll5397]

imbecile two million

[@Endershock1678]

imbecile Try trillions to quadrillions... Per person.

[@itshawck]

Marvel: creates new hero Everyone: how where they made Marvel: *sweating* ummmm drugs

[@TheAutisticFrog]

Looooooooooooooolllll

[@sparklee5044]

Nanotech

[@sparklee5044]

Quantam fantum

[@teamrocket3154]

Looking back at it- 1.he was right about about Yelena going rogue (at least on surface) 2. he was also right when he said Thunderbolts/dark avengers are definitely coming...Valentina is definitely not recruiting anti heroes alone...either he is working for thunderross or norman osborn( who is already confirmed coming in mcu) 3.Abomination will take place of hulk's (or shehulk in this scenerio)nemesis 4.the vest thing kinda became a little sad

[@rayquaza_is_da_boi8661]

The only issue I see with the whole Natasha swap theory is that in Endgame when her and Hawkeye go to Vormir to get the Soul Stone Red Skull calls her Natasha Romanaff and says her fathers name and it’s clear that the Red Skull has mystical powers of some sort when it comes to identifying people who seek the soul stone meaning that if it wasn’t really Natasha he would of knew

[@Jedimindkillerjr]

It is a 5 year skip so they could’ve fixed the swap in time for her to yeet herself off of the Mountian

[@haydenstrassell6767]

I agree with this but also in end game We can see your red hair come back

[@rayquaza_is_da_boi8661]

Tristun Parr that’s true

[@haydenstrassell6767]

But why would she come back with blond hair then that’s slowly becoming read again

[@feliciaomoediale-samuel8023]

I agree, because in infinity war red skull says you have to give up something you love how moments before thanos yeeted gomara of the the cliff, how would Hawkeye loved a fake natasha

[@Blitzo8390]

Film Theory: Ooooooo. Doing a Pitch Meetings parody without being sued is tight

[@erierierierierie]

Ok

[@ceecue5367]

Real tight

[@faizan4462]

PC Principal lol Road to 70😃

[@Pax_the_Casual]

You do realize they're tight right? They've collaborated more than a couple times now lol.

[@fyodorpositive1904]

0:40 Yeah yeah yeah.

[@kriswithak8560]

in falcon and the Winter soldier there's basically an evil cap edit : I just saw his new video about the evil cap in falcon and winter soldier so my kind of had the same theory about they're being an evil cap from the comics

[@DDrewProductions]

Aww man...watching this in Dex 2023....Matpat was mostly right with the collapse of the MCU...but it just didn't go this way. Matpat's idea was way better than what we actually have.

[@gigachad5608]

Disney:sues film theory for giving away their master plan. Film theory: makes a theory before they do it

[@jotting2349]

That's just a joke right? That didn't happen did it

[@novelle7212]

@@jotting2349 ofcourse it's a joke lol

[@jakeessner5079]

NewRockstars: wait, this was our idea!

[@Site136]

Ofc it’s a Joke!!

[@ryanmendoza399]

Plot twist: Disney makes the stories from Film theory videos

[@raykayproductions652]

Avengers: *We were good but now we are bad*

[@12yroldkeyboardwarrior2]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJ64ZZuAndV4idU *uC90SRIKOP(*(r%^fguSRGDRHDH

[@robby_zhang]

12 yr old keyboard warrior the original quote is we were bad but now we’re good so it doesn’t really work...

[@whitetigerbon9478]

@@robby_zhang yee

[@Luna11280]

Lmaoo

[@wandzel9386]

That reference better have intentional

[@hayden2707]

Theory: matpat secretly works with the producers to mislead us.

[@k-tlove6735]

how did mat pat predict this ( it’s already happening)

[@kabookle8995]

He didn’t. Just saw the movie and all of these theories were pretty wrong

[@herc_racing]

@@kabookle8995 technically, Val is lining up the Dark Avengers with John and maybe Yelena

[@danieltentori7523]

@@herc_racing Thunderbolts movie

[@jackbuildersmasher6346]

You know it might just be to say “That wasn’t Natasha, she didn’t die”

[@carealoo744]

... Yeah...

[@Xre99]

Jackbuilder Smasher no I think she did die, just that she got back in endgame. Idk tho maybe she didn’t die, but I’d be surprised if she didn’t

[@unlikelysuspect5491]

If they can make it look good I'm down

[@carealoo744]

@@Xre99 What? Did you like... Watch the video?

[@Xre99]

carealoo744 did you understand what I said? I’m saying she did get replaced but then came back for endgame, please think before you talk.

[@MertGert]

“Whoopsie!” “Whoopsie!” -Matpat, 2020

[@shinesnakeeold7447]

when I read this he said it

[@faizan4462]

Ryan George Road 40😃

[@brobro3770]

Ok

[@duncanrampen]

Why do you say that like he didn't steal that quote

[@icarus1148]

It's actually from screen rant

[@elliottsanchez8829]

Who's here after Falcon and The Winter Soldier where this is slowly being confirmed

[@brendont9296]

Dark captain America ✅

[@maxinetumarao2005]

Matpat: I guess I'll fit in Wandavision and do we really have to watch Falcon and the Winter Soldier? I'm not really interested in that. Me: *staring at the 3 wandavision theory episodes and Falcon and the Winter Soldier theory*

[@Lastseen91]

MatPat: You know, this would be cool for- Disney: For the dark avengers to come! Great idea mickey!

[@moviejojo8917]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2rQfKV-j7KUibc

[@haicoai6269]

P kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6q3eZeFn56Br6s

[@Lastseen91]

OH MY GOSH 313 LIKES THANK YALL SO MUCH!!!

[@ch1mp081]

Theory: MatPat is most likely being paid by Disney to hype us up for movies

[@beleva09]

It's a better theory than Sans is Ness

[@TreguardD]

If it gets us more theories and Keeps MatPat from having to move home, I'm for it.

[@ryansmith-jr4gn]

He didn't sound very excited in this video. I thought he sounded quite negative.

[@annakovacs8726]

I mean, maybe... but he’s most likely being sued by Disney if he gives them any reason... they were not that happy w/ the last Jedi theory bc he provides sometimes better plots than they can manage to create, but they can’t use them, bc Mat’s already made a theory on the idea... big sad...

[@alcaponeenthusiast5610]

@@beleva09 nah this was a pretty bad theory. yelena wa not natasha in infinity war. That would take away a lot of emotional connection we had with her. Matt's marvel theories are getting worse and worse

[@vortexoverdrive9385]

LOL it's so great that you love pitch meeting! you two have been my favorites for a while now, this is crossover heaven

[@yashvisharma8897]

I thought the red hair was with the whole "I've got red in my ledger " stuff and some kinda symbolic connection to that.

[@wonk123]

avengers: who are you dark avengers: *i’m you, but darker*

[@oonkymppa5923]

Hey! That's racist!

[@melanthahoang831]

Deadpool: Justice League?

[@polo9135]

You've been recognized by mat Pat I bow

[@weird_personfranzi6552]

wow this is so dark, are you sure this isn't the DC Universe?

[@sadgegowey5780]

@@oonkymppa5923 he means more evil

[@reihanboo]

red hulk: hey liquid nitrogen: no

[@12yroldkeyboardwarrior2]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJ64ZZuAndV4idU 9p[-';ryisryhsYJR

[@uniboy13]

Miles Morales: hey Gwanda: no

[@ehhhhhh1885]

The whole, MatPat talking with himself in the beginning part was the cutest thing ever

[@knightofiron]

Ryan George did this first!

[@ehhhhhh1885]

@@knightofiron Yep

[@analogsignal]

Then you’re gonna LOVE Pitch Meeting

[@ehhhhhh1885]

@@analogsignal I do, I've been watching it too

[@chrisred2733]

Love the "pitch meeting" i thought it would be hard to duplicate one of those, but it was actually super easy, barely an inconvenience 😂😂

[@theoriginalbelfrybat1319]

I’m curious and think this might be a good theory: How much money has Tom Nook made? Across all Animal crossing games and assuming player base time-played, bells per player, how many bells has he accumulated?

[@jforkie1838]

Too much

[@jo-jowei6147]

He's probably in debt considering how his employees waste all of his money buying useless junk. Just what are they going to do with that many tarantulas??

[@jforkie1838]

I’m pretty sure Timmy pockets all the money from when you buy from nooks cranny and gives none of it to tommy so he’s covered

[@christopheredwards9904]

all of them, thus, making a bell worhtless as when you hoard one thing to yourself and it does not fluctuate, it becomes less of a necessity so people just move on to normal American Dollars

[@glitchicy]

The real question is, How much is one bell worth? Like, Timmy buys flowers for 560 bells or something, How much are they worth?

[@milesmatheson1142]

MatPat: "too small and too strong for any of them to fight" Ant Man: Am I a joke to you?

[@tanuki01]

Miles Matheson everyone: yeah, kinda Scott: wow, rude

[@kevinr.9733]

I don't think literally punching a virus in the face would do much good.

[@illuminoeye_gaming]

@@kevinr.9733 I mean if you can break the protein shell then it'll help

[@outlaw2448]

Well, Dark Avengers may still be happening. However this was wrong.

[@YupaLovesGlizzy]

red hulk is coming, to she hulk ofc, I mean the theory itself made sense, its just red hulk is coming to she hulk or some other movie or show before she hulk.

[@danieltentori7523]

@@YupaLovesGlizzy no red hulk in she hulk , plus she hulk 🤢🤢🤮🤮🤧🤧

[@sucker7112]

10:14 - 10:20 Mat must have really kicked himself when he saw this movie didn't he

[@ngderp4646]

And when hulk snapped this is why he couldn’t bring her back, because she was never gone

[@Unknown-lk6ip]

i freaking love this

[@QueueWithACapitalQ]

no, she didnt come back be cause she was exchanged for the soul stone, not snapped out, hulk only brought back people who were snapped

[@user-xj2zx3ps2i]

She didn't "die" from a stone

[@mikegraves9]

Yeah but people in the soul stone can still come back in a way Gamora anyone

[@twiwolf6754]

@@mikegraves9 Gamora was literally pulled from a completely separate timeline, and Banner would be smart enough or compassionate enough (reference his talk with The Ancient One) to not screw another timeline out of their Natasha. Also knowing how she is, there is no way Natasha would accept just jumping to another timeline against her will bc that version of her is dead.

[@vernonharris9344]

Her going blonde was never explained? Her, Cap, and Falcon went into hiding. Cap grew a beard; she DYED her hair. It literally grows back red in Endgame.

[@gustivanpangestu2602]

Nah they must've switched back b4 time travelling. That way matpat's theory makes sense where yelena joins the thunderbolts and wouldnt cheapen the death of natasha

[@sophiamarion1812]

yes why can’t she dye her hair ?????

[@raul9562]

@@gustivanpangestu2602 why would Natasha dye her hair blonde though that would be counter intuitive for that theory.

[@gustivanpangestu2602]

@@raul9562 according to matpat's theory, the blonde haired natasha isn't natasha at all, its yelena belova

[@nieznajomy4398]

@@gustivanpangestu2602 and later you could bring back Scarlett Johansson's "Natasha" (but in reality and story Yelena) into Avengers team.

[@harshithabhogi3540]

I was binging Ryan George's pitch meeting and matpats theory videos for the past few days and this exactly the crossover I needed 😂

[@BattlestarGaraptica]

11:31 ...exact same vest that we see Natasha (or, Not-asha)...

[@rileybishop3597]

Is getting fans to understand a reference to a less popular KZbin difficult? No it’s super easy, barely an inconvenience

[@Lincoln69420]

Riley Bishop same 🤙🏻

[@cccracktus5659]

thank you

[@Lokear]

Wait, isn't this The Film Theorists? Don't we normally operate on Screen Rant? Whoops! Whoopsie!

[@jenica7838]

Less popular? Ouch

[@internetduck1520]

I don't understand what you're talking about

[@baronberrat6730]

But what about when red skull said “Natasha, daughter of Ivan”

[@juska4235]

They could have switched in infinity war then switched back , that is if Natasha intentionally switched with her

[@baronberrat6730]

Well red skull had the soul gem telling true origin of all assassins and names that they only would know while surprising nat mentioning her father

[@baronberrat6730]

And that her name hadn’t been hinted at being anything else... I just hope that nat had the pym particles in the trailer undoing her death and bringing scar-jo back to marvel

[@gftgrtrtyrty]

That was the real Natasha that died, she had the same red hair rather than blonde

[@baronberrat6730]

I feel that the yelena with cut out face may have been an impersonation during the film and the real her might never had been revealed in the trailer... post credit scene... Idk

[@xzrie1907]

watching this atm but is very well pieced together i may say💯👍🏽.

[@darkpaw1522]

I agree Matt. I know Marvel had no choice but to wait a year, I'd made that business decision too. Nobody would've showed up to theatres. But with no movies coming out consistently, that Marvel movie magic feels lost. It'll be hard to restart that.

[@animeguy1789]

I can’t wait for matpats child to find these Theories like 12 years later

[@gooselamp8476]

Errr dad what's this Pat- NO NO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO son- take it you didnt like this crazy person Pat- its me

[@tanviargekar6795]

matpats son : sees one of the Disney theories matpat: i just ruined his childhood before it even started

[@arigorane7030]

The only problem that I had with this switch theory was the emotional attachment that “Natasha” seemed to have with the others and the bond between her and Hawkeye being so strong Natasha would die for him. I think that this is actually explainable through the blip. I think that if Yelena imprisoned the real Natasha before the blip, and then the real Natasha disappeared, she would obviously need to stay in Natasha’s place, Yelena would be stuck as her. Maybe in those five years and before/during infinity war she was able to forge those relationships and it therefore, is why her relationships with the others feels so authentic. Kinda heart wrenching that she was stuck in that fate through disguise. Hope anyone reading this has a beautiful day and stays safe from corona ❤️❤️

[@thegreendragon9628]

Hmm this does make sense

[@robertgalvin8481]

Thank you too

[@primeemperor9196]

It would also explain why Bruce wasn't able to bring back Natasha. She couldn't be brought back, because she wasn't dead.

[@someoneofsomething]

The red skull debunks this, rewatch Endgame's Vormir scene. Why would Yelena pull the sacrifice play when she's supposed to be evil? Shouldn't she be preserving herself? Was this a failed reverse psychology?

[@iamgoo]

I dont even know a guy that knows a guy who has corona. Thanks though and have a nice day yourself.

[@RBTXSTOPMOTION]

this really makes sense now that John Walker is a villain

[@deadplthebadass21]

John Walker wasn't a villain but an antihero just like The Punisher.... The Punisher would have killed him

[@kingofnothing4546]

Because he killed someone?

[@raiyanwaqas9524]

I hate film theary

[@xx4lerxx]

At the start its a nice referance to screen rant with ryan george making the pitch meeting series, i needed that thank u MatPat

[@ishidk]

Easter egg: in the first scene, Matpat’s Ecape the night card can be seen in the background edit: bruh i wrote this comment when i was obsessed with etn but theres way more easter eggs as well- just look at the replies

[@popspider4920]

Issy H I see it

[@zaiden_fishguy]

thanks

[@Brand_Fish]

I was gonna comment that

[@ishidk]

@The Brub no not realyly

[@bananaguymike123]

lol

[@RaffiMiah]

Marvel: Yes we meant this...

[@Ramsey276one]

SURE YOU DID

[@12yroldkeyboardwarrior2]

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[@jacob_sieger]

Well the idea was right. We got Yelena, USAgent and most likely, Abomination.

[@Yamazaki742]

I can never forget The Incredible Hulk when I first moved out on my own I had no internet or T.V. I just had a computer and a single movie on DVD I watched The Incredible Hulk so many times I practically have it memorized

[@DashLashBoy]

But what about “Natasha” growing out her short blonde hair in Endgame and having red hair for the roots? In the trailers, it shows she has long blonde hair.

[@adamlastnamenotmentioned6821]

Fake natasha is actually a spy from the CANCERVERSE plotline. I think the "dark avengers" plotline is a trick and the "revengers from the cancerverse" is actually what's going to happen. Technically they could coincide or the dark avengers plotline could lead into the cancerverse plotline. But if that's the case I. Am. Excited.

[@shreyanshsingh379]

@@adamlastnamenotmentioned6821 F

[@geradosolusyon511]

@@adamlastnamenotmentioned6821 CANCERVERSE? Does it have something to do with internet dummies?

[@sophiamarion1812]

exactly! people are BEGGING for natasha to be alive and SHES NOT JUST ACCEPT IT

[@Red-Robin2011]

@@geradosolusyon511 no. From what I remember it is a world were. No one can die

[@killmongerbest4412]

When Matpat brought up AIM all I could think about was MODOK.

[@gearmachine_4885]

Would be pretty hilarious having him in a live action movie... 😂

[@12yroldkeyboardwarrior2]

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[@youfirst6611]

gear machine / shadowpen_ Fun Fact: Paul Rudd’s script for Ant Man 3 includes A.I.M and MODOK. It’s yet to be seen if their gonna use that script

[@koyinproductions9053]

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[@superman6or9]

I love how he put the pitch meeting at the beginning its was tight lol

[@natnat-24]

2:57 marvel CRAZY universe

[@aryandescendant6116]

Seeing Matpat talk to a younger version of himself makes me feel weird.

[@Natal_cancls_youtube]

Aryan Descendant Omg I just realized that

[@sharilshahed6106]

Matdad talking to Matpat

[@devongene9584]

i didn't even notice-

[@lokiofasgard7780]

And slightly aroused

[@agitatedbeetle3068]

Version

[@Nah...Imactually]

Coming after bots: *sad noises* Coming before bots: *ONE MORE STEP TO ATTAIN HEAVEN*

[@erierierierierie]

Ok

[@brobro3770]

F BOTS ALSO I MAKE YOT VIES I GIFT SUBSCRIPTIO HAHAHAHAHHAHA SUBBATF 🍃

[@meep8504]

I never knew that vampires watches youtube

[@themudaman9767]

Agree

[@Johncruel]

Vibin to matpat in the death loop

[@reynaweber7222]

Hey umm it’s November 6th, and The movie has been pushed back to sometime in 2021, hope it actually comes out then.

[@puppygirlman18]

10:39 I took her blonde hair to mean that she feels like the "red in her ledger" has finally been wiped away.

[@BBooks1219]

I can see that, however she doesn’t feel that way, it’s the whole point of her sacrifice in endgame.

[@puppygirlman18]

@@BBooks1219 If I remember correctly, she starts having red in her hair again ay that point.

[@raxos787]

Unpopular opinion: I actually liked Iron Man 3

[@reapermaster1233]

Me to buddy

[@muricaneagle666]

That’s not really unpopular, all the MCU Movies are good or better but an unpopular opinion is that Iron Man 3 is the best MCU film or the best Iron Man film.

[@RhysLloyd2611]

I really liked it

[@pergrineheel3018]

Iron Man 1 and 3 are my favorite Iron Man movies.

[@inyourgirlsovaries]

Ironman 2 was the unpoupular one, people liked the first movie because of the guns and that intense action so they mixed both in the 3rd movie

[@batmann6755]

Wonder if matpat is taking kickbacks from Disney. If not he should. He just sold more than a million tickets.

[@adrielcampos3809]

No kidding! I wasn't really interested in the movie, now I'm hyped!

[@elibrown72]

I love the screen rant pitch meeting thing at the begging!

[@steel5315]

13:43 I think that's a page from the exact comic I was just reading so good job lmao

[@konichiyawa5087]

Mat: "Its strangeg to see this famously red-haired char. suddenly becomes blonde for a movie a half " Me: *Sobs*

[@haicoai6269]

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[@artomaton776]

@@haicoai6269 Spam

[@Kletian999]

Wasn't she going incognito with Cap as they were all fugitives?

[@rimurutempest4945]

Kletian999 i mean, she’s not fooling anyone with that blonde hair

[@chacharealsmooth8719]

She was so hot with red hair

[@angelojacalan2482]

MatPat: *creates a theory* Marvel: Write that down write that down!

[@perryhotfire979]

more like Disney: lets do anything else but that.

[@Finnishmanni]

Marvel: Write that down write that down!... ... *and do the opposite*

[@someoneofsomething]

One thing matpat forgot to do is to acknowledge the events in *Vormir* which completely debunks this theory

[@Nahbruh32]

Bruh what do you mean he’s never. Goten a marvel theory right

[@Zouzack]

Charles the french memes are tight!

[@jackthejaamman]

11:35 it's not a subway it's Waverly train station in Edinburgh

[@johnny4469]

The screen rant intro may pat did was honestly the best made me laugh so much

[@osmosisjones4912]

Couldn't Ant-Man tackle the Corona virus directly

[@lordtoomas]

no,no, he's got a point

[@SKy_the_Thunder]

Yes and no. He could directly attack individual viruses - but that doesn't help because they work in the millions and more.

[@VergilPeterson]

SKy_the_Thunder then he’s got some work to do

[@weathermangohanssj4]

No but wolverine could.

[@r4nd0mguy99]

The actual Ant-Man is Hank Pym. He would actually be a lot younger but the MCU decided to go another route. To be fair: I'm mainly talking about "Avengers - earth's mightiest heroes", but cartoons are usually rather close to the comics. Hank, Tony and T'chala are all very smart and would most likely be able to create a cure. You might as well bring the Fantastic 4 in too, since they also appear in that show. Reed could also help with it.

[@hajmardi3658]

If her hair colour is important in the storyline; then does cap’s beard mean anything?

[@poodlekissesreborn3948]

That he’s America’s daddy

[@juanmanuelpenaloza9264]

Yeah, it's a thematic representation of his disconnect with the team. Basically the 1940s equivalent of dying your hair a neon color.

[@jackscofield562]

OOOOooooo... never thought about that

[@zetjet9901]

Poodlekisses Reborn 👁👄👁

[@cheesecake_7487]

Im pretty sure that his hair changed too

[@antosaurusrex3752]

Crazy that now talks of red hulk are coming up in the leaks for Captain America four

[@Mr.Capitalism]

Yes gotta agree Natasha's death then a movie dedicated to here was a bad idea, but hey it's better than facing bordom

[@dimaswahyupratama3694]

Yea even tho it was poorly written, consisted of plotholes here and there, and got no stakes or bring something new upon the franchise. But hey, at least I had something to watch.

[@ZeeBoff]

Blackwidow: I just wanted to dye my hair Mattpat: no your not the real blackwidow!

[@shrimpy361]

Is the next Spider-Man Spider-Man:stay at home

[@helloimsku6348]

Nice

[@andoryuubushido7191]

gottem

[@Alonzi.]

Oof

[@Memerroni]

Too soon

[@mohammadhishan6886]

That was terrible

[@blackiechan1074]

I just Christopher Columbused pitch meetings and I love that u did that intro

[@yeetmaster7496]

I love the reference to screen rant’s pitch meetings!

[@snhsbdb]

MCU: watches this video "He's too dangerous to be kept alive"

[@abhimanyusharma588]

Disney: Watches this video Also Disney: Write that down Write that down!

[@finnlockington3791]

4:00 that timescale. ha. HA. HhahAAhAYaeAHaEyA. iMAGiNe. pfFft.

[@Epic_brawler_Gaming]

matpat got half of the theory right the other half is wrong

[@rabcra]

My theory : Yelena will die in the movie, saving Natasha. As an hommage, Natasha will dye her hair blonde and wear her tactical vest.

[@lucacuneo7218]

Yea, that’s kinda what I was think. Now the red hulk will totally work and has a good reason. But the rest breaks down so I think that this is a better explanation of what will probably happen

[@cherylreynard8248]

Yeah, that makes a lot more sense.

[@Eckmannnnnn]

or that the person who died in endgame was really yelena?

[@ilikenougat8892]

@@Eckmannnnnn LMAO, imagine it's a Skrull

[@emanueldjordje]

I am a bit confused, who sacrificed herself for infinity stone, Natasha or Yelena because if Yelena was acting like natasha that means that Yelena died and Natasha is still alive....please someone respond

[@FilmingSnail]

Lord help me, his solving of marvel is becoming his crazy solving of FNAF, Good luck Mat, Say goodbye to your sanity

[@ben_1221]

good luck mat indeed.

[@mattblaster2378]

That implies that he still has it

[@aether6293]

Plot twist: at the end Is revealed that Scott was the mastermind behind Disney's dominance

[@emanuel6693]

I mean this video’s theory has been explored by New Rockstars LONG ago

[@brandonnewby178]

Oh my God these pitch meeting crossovers are tight!!!! Yesss!

[@thatlonewolfguy2878]

Well this video aged well, honestly I can see the Thunderbolts/Dark Avengers storyline coming to pass especially regarding the fact the X Men and Fantastic 4 are getting rebooted so more potential for them to have like super serums etc using DNA from various heroes to create their own team if the likes of Wolverine or whatever his dark counterpart is called (not sabretooth) so yeah I could honestly see this coming true

[@TheBigDadyB]

Wouldn't that mean that the Melina died for the stone? i don't think that makes much sense... Yelena* my bad

[@sjjejsnjsjs5977]

Mourning Wood true

[@lukeluke835]

@@sjjejsnjsjs5977 , well Hawkeye and Natasha/(is it Yolanda?)her buddy didn't see each for long before the soul stone thing, so maybe Hawkeye thought he was in love with her instead of Natasha. That also explains why she woludn't want him to die, since she probably doesn't love him the way the real Natasha does.

[@Carlbayley683]

Didn’t hulk snap back all the heroes that died unless it didn’t work for that stone that needed a sacrifice witch in my opinion wouldn’t make sense?

[@12yroldkeyboardwarrior2]

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[@Vleaso]

Also, red skull called Natasha by her first and last name and also mentioned her parents. I doubt he'd be tricked that easily.

[@akshsehgal998]

Disney be like: "Stop all filming, do this instead."

[@carsonhayes3647]

Aksh Sehgal Jesus loves you

[@haicoai6269]

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[@christianfigueroa2850]

When you get a marvel strike force ad on a matpat video

[@ResaChiic]

or "stop filming, lets make sure we dont do this so matpat is wrong"

[@CodeineRadick]

Barbosa needs to take charge of it. "NAAAAY BELAAY THAT!!! ... .. ... .. ... Do somethin elllllse!" O.O

[@josephjeavons6517]

i love the screen rant pitch meeting impressions

[@bigflock9176]

You pulled this off without a problem like “super easy, barely an inconvenience”

[@raviloli6811]

But MatPat why did "Natasha" sacrifice herself for the soul stone though if she wasn't really "Natasha"?

[@wasteoftime4424]

Maybe it was because the girl who is quote on quote Natashaif you read the comments that one girl really doesn't have anything to live for a really so it doesn't surprise me

[@vertical7747]

If Hawkeye didn’t know the difference he would’ve genuinely loved her and made the sacrifice valid

[@someoneofsomething]

@@vertical7747 Nah. The red skull debunks that by calling their names out before they can even introduce themselves (and also one of each of their parents' names)

[@someoneofsomething]

Rewatch the Vormir scene in Endgame

[@wasteoftime4424]

@gladiator of lx yeah but he might know there names and one of there parents but remember that he could just be able to know people by there face and know there history

[@abigailscorner902]

mat pat really out here entertaining us during quarantine

[@faizan4462]

Abigail’s Corner ikr Road to 40😃

[@zaidaocon2003]

Yep

[@tinkah]

@@faizan4462 honestly stfu

[@king_supreme1102]

Abigail’s Corner he’s a KZbinr what do you expect. They have more time to work now more than ever

[@DashB-ee9ty]

The pitch meeting bit was amazing

[@jaitall9872]

Watching this in 2022 is funny considering the fact that marvel is on top of the world with spider man and Hawkeye.