Film Theory: Star Wars, Why don't Force Ghosts do EVERYTHING?

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Star Wars has a LOT of ever shifting lore. One piece that has stayed and evolved since the original trilogy is the Force Ghost. You know, the blue filter versions of all your favorite dead Jedi that pop up to appease the fans - I mean, give sage advice. It's true, when we look at Force Ghosts throughout the franchise, they seem mostly useless. Until we get to the newest trilogy, where they are shooting lightning and lifting giant ships out of the ocean. What?! If these Force Ghosts are so powerful and able to interact with the real world, why do they not help out with all the crazy stuff going down? That's what I aim to answer today!
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[@austinb12934]

"Obi Wans force ghost is also in a bit of a middle ground." No...He has the high ground

[@Bigman23.]

You underestimate my power!!

[@winterx9304]

dont do it aniken!

[@kamransajid4474]

Ahhhh ahh

[@HanMestov]

" I don't like sand. It's coarse, and rough, and irritating, and it gets everywhere"

[@eddiefirstenberg1000]

Take my upvote

[@rensburggraaf595]

“Rey who” *”Rey’d shadow legends”*

[@eiselda]

The tatooine woman: oh f*** I’m outta here

[@HyperDrive70]

The new just when you think your safe ad pisses me off

[@darraghmcmullen6205]

*furiously double taps*

[@GlitchingRobin]

No no more please its its everywhere xD

[@intselec2184]

@@DeathByHotcakes no he is the senate

[@jamesgarlick4573]

My biggest issue with Force Ghosts is that it went from a hard-to-achieve higher state of the Force to "All Force sensitives just become a Force Ghost when they die"

[@TS-gz2it]

It began with "all force sensitives just become a force ghost when they die" and then changed

[@loydtheliar5659]

i mean sith can't become force ghosts

[@arjavjain7229]

@@loydtheliar5659 it's never said they can't, but see how even Yoda didn't know it was possible and had to undergo the training in order to become a force ghost, so I would say if a sith knew about it and took the training it could be possible

[@loydtheliar5659]

@@arjavjain7229 i mean, i know this is legends, but in many of the games it was mentioned that sith can't become force ghosts because they use the force differently than jedi

[@arjavjain7229]

@@loydtheliar5659 hmm I didn't know that

[@johnadler6987]

A note on why they didn't help out on Endor: Yoda made it very clear that for Luke to finish his training, he had to face Darth Vader alone. They could have helped, physically, but they weren't allowed to help, so to speak.

[@camharkness]

Exactly. That last part of the video made me a bit mad because the answers legit were in the movies.

[@notarobot1494]

Now I’m not a jedi but I feel like killing death vader instead of completing one jedi’s training is a win in the long run

[@teddybaker4759]

They could've helped against the Stormtroopers.

[@JediWreith]

also supposedly in the original script they did help

[@BrunoEwok]

Except Vader is hundreds of miles above Endor.

[@chaoticproductions3922]

Matpat: says Rey is a bad guy. Movie: says she’s a palpitine Matpat: so what I said was true from a certain point of view

[@finnd262]

Hey if all you've got are straws you grasp at them

[@iceberg9326]

I found this chill new Star Wars Film Theory kzbin.info/www/bejne/aaaXhouXfbpopLc

[@anojamalalage7242]

666th like

[@chaoticproductions3922]

@@anojamalalage7242 The time has come...Execute Order 666

[@bailysawyer804]

She’s not a bad guy, just a bad character XD

[@zarkmuckerberg8341]

Lady: Rey who? Rey: Rey Rey Binks! Force ghost of Jar Jar fades into view

[@greninjamastergabe6452]

And she also turns to the Dark Side to follow in Jar-Jar's footsteps

[@ashtpres]

Honestly would've preferred this.

[@CaptainArrrgh]

Right after she said Skywalker, the lady should have slapped her with Luke's traffic violations, from when he nearly hit her, entering Toschi Station.

[@darkfire757_studios]

No god no please no

[@Laviaths]

Darth jar jar figured out how to become a force ghost without being a Jedi.

[@phoenixwahler7022]

Qui Gon Jin’s force ghost in Tatooine is a big reason to retcon this whole video

[@johnstrife7]

That show was awful qui Gon can't turn into a force ghost his training is incomplete

[@teddybaker4759]

@@johnstrife7 He continued his training in the afterlife. Darth Vader has NO Force Ghost training, but he figured it out.

[@madison-3325]

@teddyvaker4759 I think as Anakin was dying obi-wan appeared and taught him how to do it

[@LadyOnikara]

@@teddybaker4759So did Leia, which was interesting. I wonder if Luke taught her during the training she had with him?

[@ebgsdb6662]

I just chalk it up to Tatooine being home to 2 very powerful Skywalkers, as well as the supposed place of Anakin's immaculate conception. So much important stuff happened there that the Force must have been fairly strong. Totally reaching, but that's kinda what this channel is about.

[@thegreenthunder5416]

This can be taken even further when we talk about Mortis from Clone Wars. Mortis was a nexus of the Force, teeming with so much life that Qui-Gon could manifest a body. He never learned how to do that, so it would seem that if there’s enough of a Force nexus you can appear as a full ghost even without training.

[@symtrick4782]

qui gon has some training he can manifest as a voice

[@thegreenthunder5416]

@@symtrick4782 Right, but he cannot manifest a body. He never finished his training

[@CreatureCal]

Who else remembers using the ghosts in LEGO Star Wars: The Complete Saga and easily taking down enemies because you couldn’t get hit?

[@reaps_]

Ohhhh yeah

[@hyperjank5129]

Ghost yoda was so op

[@Pumpkin-man]

Yah, try doing the battle where you had to fight your P2, but your both ghosts.

[@paxtonbisbee1170]

I remember how hard they were to get when I was a kid because they were expensive and I didnt like grinding when I was younger

[@Catboxxxxx]

And were invisible

[@rookcapcoldblood2618]

*"Production mistake, or critical lore detail?!"* "I think we all know what it really is!" "And I think we all know what I'm gonna pretend that it is." - Every Star Wars Fan ever (including me)

[@jackrutledgegoembel5896]

yup summed it up perfectly

[@plasmagreninja1577]

Mistake?

[@AbjectPermanence]

He also sits on a log. It's definitely intentional that ghosts always could interact with the physical world.

[@ScottaHemi440]

Disney: Write this down, write this down!!!

[@Wolfmeister666]

@Hara Isbara There is a rumor they are going to make Sequel trilogy non canon.

[@floop1108]

Yeah so slight problem with Qui-Gon: didn’t he manifest as a force ghost at the end of Kenobi? Seems that the writers just forgot about him never completing this training.

[@johnfrancomiguelfernandez4811]

Can't anyone that had some experience in the physical world in Star Wars continue their training even after they became a force ghost? Heck why are we just focused on his appearance here when he also appeared in the clone wars too.

[@Tolak3]

He lived by the will of the force, allowing it to guide him in life, he was closer to the force than any other Jedi of the day, most falling to bureaucracy, but quigan was taught how to come back after he died, then he tought obi wan the same power that os the training he is about to go do in the show. In life and legend of obi wan it goes in to better detail

[@anonymousjhonny2356]

Didn't Qui-Gon say at the end of Kenobi that he had been following Obi Wan as he lived on Tatooine? If Obi Wan _had_ been training like Matpat pointed out, then couldn't Qui-Gon just have been training with him, or at least watching him train and, for lack of a better term, taking notes on how to do it? Tell me what you all think

[@sonicinfinity1871]

He already pulled it off by Rebels.

[@Dame_Rod]

@@sonicinfinity1871 ture but that was one of the force nexuses therefore allowing him to show himself

[@JXEditor]

14:00 I also think a big part of that is Luke being close to death, like how Yoda had an easier time contacting Qui-Gon away from a nexus while meditating

[@wildwolf3536]

In my opinion Rey should have said “Just Rey” this would have done a better job at proving the point that who you are isn’t as important than who you chose to be

[@lightsinadarkworld2013]

Ok Rey solo Sorry

[@quandaledingle2389]

I think it would be better if she said "Rey Palpatine", showing that she is not afraid of who she is.

[@Smile-wd6rz]

I did like the last jedi, and if the ryse of skywalker followed in the steps of that the last jedi then the trilogy would have felt way more conected, and not like only the first and last movies happened and the last jedi was a weird dream. Just Rey would have been perfect, or the people getting inspiration to fight back from luke skywalker.

[@L16htW4rr10r]

@@Smile-wd6rz I approve

[@yurachunt3179]

rey had some real potential to be a good character if they'd stuck with treating her like an organic h-bomb (unpredictable, strong but undisciplined...) like luke did in TLJ

[@theriolulad4808]

"Why aren't they the ones doing everything?" [Laughs in LEGO Star Wars Ghost Characters]

[@hue_jazz]

good times

[@themindelectricdemo4]

Good timessssss

[@dahqwemmygamer5043]

Ikr

[@ryanmatthews1096]

I think he ruined his own theory, he says that the dark side and light side of the force use different sensitivity’s 10:30, resulting in users of different sides of the force either having an advantage or disadvantage, he then goes onto say that force ghosts can only appear at locations with strong force presence( nexus). With obi wan appearing in dagobah 12:48, but dagobah is strong in the dark side of the force so obi wan shouldn’t be able to appear here, meaning that only light side force nexus’s will be able to spawn force ghosts as dark side users can’t use the ability

[@icedog1588]

@@ryanmatthews1096 I think he meant that some areas on Dagobah are stronger in the Dark side and other areas on Dagobah are stronger in the Light side, the cave he was telling Luke about was stronger in the Dark side

[@mixstardust429]

Endor can be explained pretty simply... the force ghosts just decided to stick for the after party since they knew Luke and Co. would prevail, I mean they are literally timeless. So they just wanted to throw a small ghost party.

[@JeromeStephenson]

What if Darth Vader, being Anakin Skywalker channeling absurd amounts of Dark Force, negates the Light Force with his presence? We see this whenever he faces Luke, like Mat said, he seems to force Luke into using the Dark Force when they face off, and Luke along with others who face him seems to be restricted in using the Light Side

[@Mr-Username1]

Lady: Rey who Rey: I don’t have a last name Lady: no name? Rey solo then.

[@insanelyhandsome8078]

okay now THAT would have been awesome if it were in the movie.

[@emma.steppp8485]

@FRANK - i would have given the movie 10/10 if they did that

[@Sam_Sabaka1]

Perfection

[@iamvoidberry]

Lol

[@ScoobySnacc]

Laughed

[@cougheepls2542]

"Rey who?" "Rey Skywalker" "Identity theft is not a joke, Jim! Millions of families suffer every year!"

[@Bigman23.]

Haha, identify theft go brrrrr!

[@ThiccTurd]

Ah yes I understand that Office reference

[@giancarloperez1647]

I don't think Rey Understands the power that name carries

[@Groxcima]

This comment is golden

[@MikhailYT]

I understand that reference

[@shaydowsith348]

on the other hand, if you are Darth Nox, you CAN use force ghosts to help you take over....

[@java_bean]

Qui-Gon Jinn appearing on Tattoine in kind of killed this theory off. Not exactly a planet teeming with life.

[@NilaanS]

but it was

[@cosby714]

He does only appear for a few seconds though, and it's been established that he can only appear as a ghost where the force is strong, whether that means there's a lot of life or a force nexus. I'd say it's likely a force nexus is near where he appeared in that one scene.

[@java_bean]

@Tin Watchman why does "moisture farm" not really inspire thoughts of "teeming with life"?

[@alegofan6755]

Tattooine is a force nexus

[@someguy1301]

“Jedi”s weapons deserve more respect” Also Luke: throws lightsaber in water to be broken”

[@comedyreliefguy5112]

That’s the point

[@bodwig115]

I loved that moment

[@liampbjray5562]

ruining the 69 likes be like

[@kevinw712]

I'll make the same basic framework of a point that Matpat does here -- there's a ton of valid complaints and criticisms, but THIS isn't one of them. This was not a completely contradictory act. What Rey appears to be doing here toward the end is truly getting rid of the lightsaber, possibly even destroying it. What Luke did at the beginning of The Last Jedi was just making a point. He tosses it very lightly behind himself, behind him where he knows full well there's still plenty of levels of island. There's literally no way the lightsaber will actually be damaged at all from what he does, and he's perfectly aware of that. Luke's just trying to get cute and fancy to win an argument. Rey was trying to genuinely squash the thing forever.

[@mementomori5580]

@@kevinw712 Please don't try to defend bad movie decisions. If you have to write the reason for the movie, it means that they didn't think about it at all and was just a bad decision on their part.

[@moflotime4512]

Luke: **struggling to fight Darth Vader in Endor** Yoda and Obi Wan: *I´m gonna pretend I didn't see that*

[@king_supreme1102]

They have seen it and they see the past, present, and future. They *saw* it but they also saw what was coming after. Also they weren’t fighting on Endor.

[@coltonscholl7082]

@@king_supreme1102 Leia was

[@bigjake360t]

Ah, Leah has the teddy bear squad. She'll be fine.

[@roberthpilesund384]

An army of teddybears armed with ropes vs a well trained army with weapons and vehicles, and the cute small ones wins ? It might be to long to film, but they got some ghost help for sure.

[@cezarcatalin1406]

I bet the “aura” around the sith force wielders is preventing ghosts from appearing around them... as siths absorb much more energy (even from nothing) compared to jedies.

[@TL4546b]

I figured since they were connected to Luke, he could lift them

[@Sensei_Foosball]

This explains perfectly why Qui Gon never appeared to Obiwan in the new Obi Wan series until he was on Tatoween, because it was a force nexus.

[@rjverses5407]

Mat pat: “can I make More good Star Wars content” Mickey: “only if you praise our latest Star Wars movie”

[@tariffictypist7372]

Underrated comment

[@masterjedi343]

Hoho! Mickey will break your legs if you say ONE BAD THING about Rise of Skywalker!

[@shinyjose5467]

Wait, he was sarcastic when he praised the movie.

[@FilmRon]

@@shinyjose5467 That's why we love him.

[@FoxyGuyHere]

@@shinyjose5467 I am not sure about that. He usually talks more clearly sarcastic when he is sarcastic.

[@yoyoyosquiji8716]

Dang this is like in mythologies when the gods can’t interact with their demigod kids directly but hermes can go down and slap they kids with exposition

[@ChonkedCat]

Percy Jackson reference my friend

[@reillyjsullivan9989]

Yeah but in actual Greek/Roman mythology, demigods didn't have powers from their god/goddess parents.

[@mayonnaise6162]

That’s....not true

[@coltherndon1858]

12:16 shows tarooine as an example of low force for lack of life but the first live action appearance of qui gon jinn's force ghost is there. Ironic.

[@gooferdoo1201]

Oh boy, wait till he sees the end of the Obi Wan Kenobi show and has to rethink everything about Qui-gon.

[@yoshifan33]

One minor point: Luke wasn't swinging his saber like that because the Light Side was weak in the throne room - he did it because he was attacking Vader with primal anger, ignoring any sense of training in favor of slashing at Vader as heavily and powerfully as he could.

[@aerissai8341]

You're right, that is minor because Matpat already mentioned that Luke wasn't thinking during their duel and was purely trying to strike Vader.

[@ilinca781]

Im pretty sure that was just a joke, but yeah ur point is tottaly valid! /gen

[@xavier51]

@@ilinca781 uh what does /gen mean

[@ilinca781]

@@xavier51 /gen means genuine/ genuine question

[@xavier51]

@@ilinca781 oh okay thanks

[@mayoeater4294]

The reason they didn’t fight Vader on Endor is because and I quote “our asses, Vader would kick” -Yoda

[@beesandreviews]

I love this.

[@juliamay8580]

Lmao, sounds accurate XD

[@hondaibonzai6575]

Brilliant

[@motgoai1008]

G yeskzbin.info/www/bejne/pYWZkn94d7ebfaN-

[@TheGamingDoggo]

7:00 He did finish his training but it must’ve been while dead due to the Obi Wan Kenobi series on Disney+

[@ariellagracie]

*obi-wan kenobi ends w qui-gon showing up as a force ghost on a literal desert planet* obi-wan kenobi: so anyway i started retconning matpat: *surprised pikachu face*

[@bkuipers]

"Liam Neeson is too expensive for the cameo" *Liam Neeson literally voicing qui gon in the clone wars animated series*

[@AbjectPermanence]

What other movie actor came back for the show? Every character got new voice actors for the show. I guess Ian McDiarmid did return for a small cameo as Palpatine for Order 66, but that was only after Sam Witwer had played the character regularly for years too.

[@sharilshahed6106]

The way I heard it, it sounded like " too expensive to be any more than some cameos".

[@Upliftmofo89]

He was supposed to do it in 2 or 3 but broke his leg if I remember correctly

[@LucyWest370]

Tweety Song yeah Samuel L Jackson didn’t say Motherf*****

[@lunarscorpio3987]

**Liam Neeson probably appearing in the Kenobi series**

[@Kable10]

The Clone Wars is a criminally underrated show

[@Noah-cy5kw]

Agreed

[@ZippyzzzReal]

no duh

[@smiles_allday967]

Indeed

[@UnbracedChimp27]

D E F I N A T E L Y

[@literallyadorito8197]

Zippy Zach Attack* Its treason then

[@kimboudreau8235]

There was a part on force ghost in the d20 tabletop rpg. From memory, there were jedi ghost for unfinished duty, but is was kind of borrowed time and they should not wait too long before permanently joining the force or their own balance could change. There were also siths ghost but it was more about deep hatred and refusing to face death.

[@prestonian_5493]

Honestly my little “theory” about the Endor thing is that obi wanted to let Luke fulfill his destiny

[@PyroGam3s]

my theory is that they were watching and literally decided that Luke was doing just fine and didn't need to help. they probably were able to see the outcome through the force and decided that if they tried to interfere then its possible that Luke wouldn't win. Also they said he had to do it alone.

[@john3260]

i think it's lees bout luke & more bout trying to get anakin back to the light side. if u listen to the music when luke fought anakin, u can hear the choir prominently like as if it's a bunch of force ghosts screaming for him to get back to the light side

[@carsonshutts3599]

MatPat: calls Clone Wars an animated spinoff. Star Wars Stans: WHOMST HAS AWOKEN THE ANCIENT ONE!

[@TeddyCat2007]

Yep, at least I can die happy now that Mattpat mentioned the clone wars

[@pabloparedesdiaz9591]

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[@Linguineo]

@@pabloparedesdiaz9591 Stop reposting this you stinky.

[@nathanlee8494]

it’s treason then

[@Jmaniac9204]

sinking book83 just stop

[@eliaseder1411]

So the empire just can't take over some planets because of, force ghosts? “Soldiers, why haven't you taken over this planet yet?“ “There were this blue people“

[@jetastronomia8400]

Blue boys show up behind them Oh god aaaaaaaa-

[@theblackgoatofthewoods]

Blueman group assemble!!

[@RealElevenTimes]

Listen up here's a story about a blue guy living in blue world.

[@theblackgoatofthewoods]

@Corn Peyton Noone under 30 knows what that means lol

[@rage_2000]

Sounds like avatar

[@dasiblingz4074]

"My training was incomplete." Obi-wan Kenobi series: "I'm about to end this mans whole career."

[@tressaabe11]

Let’s give a round of applause to the longest film theory intro ever at 3:43

[@struggler5702]

Fun fact: Vader never killed Ben, he became one with the force right before the saber hit as to not give Vader the satisfaction. That is why Vader kicks the cloak, he doesn't know what happened

[@hebthealien]

Obi-Wan is a troll even in the face of death

[@WrensthavAviovus]

Yep. If Vader killed Obi-wan there would at least be burn marks on the cloak.

[@tseh3]

@Tweety Song Hello There

[@andrewmurray1550]

@@WrensthavAviovus Imagine if Obi-wan disappeared into the force, the robe falls to the floor, Vader's reflex was too slow, swipes at thin air, then Ben appears to him as a ghost and mocks him saying: "Missed me by that much!" in Don Adams voice. (sounds like the kind of joke you'd see in Star Wars (Robot Chicken) or Spaceballs).

[@purplefate541]

Uuuh what, 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@arkhamcreed4326]

Headcannon: In the MMO it makes it clear there is an obscure dark-side technique that allows a force user to absorb a ghost, consuming it to increase their power. Maybe the ghosts don't directly confront the sith because they are afraid of becoming lunch.

[@quaesitrix881]

Do you mean the Sith Inquisitor storyline in SWTOR ? Since it is a dark side technique, and an especially obscure one, I am not sure if the Jedi would be aware of it. Besides, it is best not to bring up the ancient expanded universe when discussing the new films : it is a depressing reminder of much better stories than those we got...

[@jonathanphillips3052]

i think that would make some degrees of sense. the dark side always has a way of twisting things. also given how rare the knowledge of force trancendance(what i will call the act of becoming a force ghost), the need for the technique to slay force ghosts or otherwise banish them would be rare. however it all ties into how the philosophies of the dark and light sides struggle with eachother. while light side wielders could likely more easily learn the technique of force trancendance(since it aligns with their philosophy more), the dark side would struggle more with it, since they are often focused heavily on matters of life, like building and sustaining empires, trying to save people they are close too, and clinging onto material life as much as they can. this would likely explain why it would be the darkside that would develop such a technique. if we consider how darkside and light side might operate from a dnd angle...light side would be like positive energy, restoring, preserving and bringing life into the universe. the darkside meanwhile is negative energy, the domain of necromancy and undeath, that maintains life by drawing it away, killing those they take it from, or twising life to go against the natural process. true balance would be to ensure that neither of these forces grows too strong. too much light side/positive energy and people no longer bother to innovate and people and lives and civilisations stagnate. meanwhile too much darkside or negative energy and there is no growth or benefit. only the endless taking of life to sustain a few.

[@arafe.1012]

technically paplaitne kinda did that with 2 living pathetic idiots, ben skywalker and Rey 'Skywalker; so if the method was originally meant for ghosts, than obviously he would have done it to the army of ghosts as seen is hishe. So much for luke impressing his father

[@blaze6400]

The problem that invalidates this point is that The Old Republic is no longer canon

[@Himark89]

This needs more likes, however since SW is a masterpiece of an afterthought, I can't really care.

[@jordanmeek2531]

I believe the Endor dilemma was because Obi-Wan had hope that Luke could save Anakin. In his exile on Tatooine he would visit Shmi's grave and apologize for failing her son, so he felt guilty about the events of Episode 3 and probably would have stayed out of it if he felt Luke could save Anakin. Likewise only Vader went down to the panet, without the Emperor, and was only there for a brief moment to land, pick up Luke, and take off, never leaving the landing pad to go outside among the plants.

[@kadenbenzley1417]

7:08 Enter Obi-Wan Tv show

[@lemon-xx3jz]

new title for this episode: "Matpat pulls a litle sneaky on us and turns a flaw in Rise of Skywalker into a flaw with the original triology."

[@king_supreme1102]

It’s not a “flaw”

[@hollownite4165]

Lol..."a little sneaky"

[@Beeman1987]

@@hollownite4165 uh oh how unfortunate

[@theleanbusinessman5431]

It’s not a flaw, it’s a feature, 😶😅, but on the real though, it’s not a flaw

[@theleanbusinessman5431]

ofoers What is a retcon?

[@TheKrazyguy75]

I always thought this was a much easier solution: They can't manifest close to strong dark side users.

[@ClingyCrab]

That actually makes sense.

[@josephaurelius5567]

That would be an easy simple answer but the last Jedi messed that up when Luke duels the angry kid as a ghost

[@darkfeeling97]

@@josephaurelius5567 Luke wasn't a ghost in that scene, more like a projection

[@alastair8870]

In the Vader comics obi wan talks to vader as a ghost

[@jameshosking4985]

Isn't rey a dark side user... A bit?

[@spencertaylor-mrliltay]

Really love this way of looking at the Force and force ghosts. One point I’d also add that may explain why the Force Ghosts didn’t confront Vader on Endor or anything is because the ability to “become one with the Force” is a lightside ability, they might not be able to show themselves at least as prevalently when around Dark side energy. So simply by Vader being a Sith and especially with Palpatine it’s not only about the amount of life around them it’s also just the amount of the force surrounding them is dark which may be a reason they aren’t able to be there at least at full power.

[@BjotSingh07]

This is disproved by Qui Gonn appearing in the middle of the desert on Tatooine.

[@absarmstrong]

When I became a ghost I had unlimited High Ground

[@chadgonzales3060]

I see you everywhere obi wan

[@kamransajid4474]

U drifted up to the high ground

[@xd_ogreslayer]

Can u teach me to become a jedi obi wan?

[@bigchungus9796]

Where were you on Endor!!!

[@blanketpineapple]

Death sticks you say?

[@nikolas7153]

Matpat: the death star is lifeless the 1.7 milion military personel on the death star: .........

[@theleanbusinessman5431]

........ Exactly, lifeless

[@everettw.9610]

But they don’t live there naturally, since it’s an artificial moon. Same with Cloud City. People live there, but they ain’t supposed to.

[@alaiaomanu6318]

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[@Jamesjones-hi5qu]

What do you think they eat? Is their a livestock area in the death Star?

[@F-mr5mj]

@@bartudundar3193 plus, if you read some of the accounts from workers on the death star, you begin to realize how empty it was, it had the depth of a small moon and a total surface area larger then some countries, that area really begins to make 1.6 million feel smaller.

[@edwardrushfirth6216]

They might only be allowed to manifest when the force permits it. We know it has a will and therefore some form of conciseness so maybe it’s just that if the force asks it if then the spirits shall abide

[@sailorbychoice1]

11:20 I personally decided that those in the SWU believed the Midiclorines created _The Force_ but were incorrect. I decided that Midiclorines were microscopic life forms attracted to living beings who possess Force Abilities, and may function in a symbiotic way with those who can use _The Force_ by sort of being a psychic lubricant for _The Force._ They may facilitate the use of _The Force;_ they don't _Create It._ Not any more than anything else contributes to the creation of _The Force._

[@teambeardo8816]

matpat: calls star wars the clone wars a 'spin off' Me: I accuse you of treason against the grand army of the republic.

[@tomekkowal4780]

The senate will decide his fate

[@Yougotcaged102]

I mean technically yeah it's a spinoff show

[@theadeptuscustodes]

And shall be executed as such

[@albertthepeacock8020]

MatPat isn't wrong tho TCW is basically filler for the movies. If it was up to me I'd make Star Wars take place in different universes like Lego Star Wars so continuity won't be messed up and writers can continue to tell the story they want without being limited to make sense for the movies. Original Trilogy-Main universe Prequel Trilogy-Alternate universe Sequel trilogy-Separate universe The Clone Wars animated series-Focuses on the stormtroopers in a what if universe Rebels and Resistance-Their own universes that are canon to each other

[@aeventyrmusic]

Albert The Peacock Its not stormtroopers in TCW, they are clones. Big differens

[@roberthofmann8403]

I remember Star Wars. It was a very popular franchise when I was a child in the 80's.

[@AceAxolotl]

Aaand now due to the end of the Obi Wan show and the appearance of Qui-gons force ghost, Disney has once again backed themselves into a corner.

[@JackLinton]

“When Luke is flying above the Death Star Obiwan could only speak to him” What did you want? Obiwan to appear on the wing?

[@iffahnurdian]

Lol

[@soraofthemist]

"Luke I'll always be your wing man"

[@jaxsenwaddington5179]

He has to, for the high ground

[@everything-comics1102]

He coulnt fit on the ship, it’s a single person cockpit

[@Qthechrisman]

Yes absolutely

[@X-SPONGED]

Matpat : *makes star wars theory* The media : "so you have chosen death"

[@phanzj3519]

Cough* cough* media

[@thestranger4894]

this is legit his best SW theory because it actually fits the overarching theme made by George Lucas

[@four-en-tee]

No, its bad and inconsistent writing. Force ghosts weren't able to do this before, and if they had been able to before, it would've opened up a lot of plot holes. Matpat is essentially having to provide his own head-canon in order to console with the glaring issues that JJ Abrams and Ryan Johhnson have added to Star Wars.

[@apeman505]

I always thought that the force ghosts were allowed to help the living indirectly, but not directly interfere. Obi-Wan on Dagobah actually says, "If you choose to face Vader you will do it alone, we cannot interfere."

[@Megabballer10]

LMFAO bro the force ghost 2Pac was the greatest thing ever! Love you man

[@cherrydragon3120]

Matpat making a theory about star wars with actual science and common sense, actively making the movies better. Disney: WRITE THAT DOWN! WRITE THAT DOWN!!

[@urieldaluz250]

Or more accurately. Disney: “execute order 66” I don’t think the mouse really wants to put in the effort

[@samuelmora1327]

At this point they should just hire Matpat to make the new trilogy

[@franklinbrooksstoppedcomme3267]

Don't lie, you know they won't.

[@UCjNrKLyRJI-abFA8qiNo92Q]

Palpatine: "your ghost friends can't help you here" that's it, problem solved

[@lazyproductions8005]

Not really. Many people had problems with midichlorians because they tried to make something magical (the force) into a science. It’s like saying that proving Harry Potter magic is actually based on plant power would be an improvement to the universe.

[@thebritishnot]

"They smack you with a cane" "They give you therapy sessions" *very helpful*

[@ItBePatYo]

What? Your therapists don't smack you with a cane? They're not doing their job right then...

[@thebritishnot]

@@ItBePatYo they roda rolla me

[@exists8238]

TurtleBoiYT WRYYyYYYYyYYYYy!!!!!!!!!!!

[@RichardTheValiantFoolFox]

sometimes people need to be treated like an old Magnavox.. smack it till it works

[@bunnie_bee]

MUDAMUDAMUDAMUDAMUDA

[@wykaialijahkai2584]

Qui-gon's force ghost appearing on the lifeless Tatooine: I'm about to ruin this man's whole carrier.

[@dariuszsobczak7209]

Oh gosh then we got the Qui Gon force ghost in the Kenobi series🥶🥶🥶

[@gabrielschmid1854]

I just imagine a bunch of birds and insects dying as the midichlorians leave their body to fuel Yoda's lightning... Because of thermodynamics

[@alexanerose4820]

I'm thinking Yoda used more of his own midichlorians when making the lightning because as a force ghost he's mostly made up of the stuff. and since he's powerful he can afford to

[@IrvingIV]

I thought he just altered where natural lightning was going to strike, it was already storming over the island.

[@l.gcallahan2840]

Well as long as the birds were seagulls it's all good.

[@JulianLinair]

Possible plug for that last plot hole: Yoda and Obi Wan's plan hinged on Luke facing the Emperor. If they'd interfered and attack Vader in some way, Luke would never have made it to the Death Star.

[@francisjomergallardo4593]

They can sorta see a little into the future too, so knowing that if they interfered, Vader would not have the character development that would be necessary to defeat Palpatine would make sense!

[@oscarpie6751]

Also its not like every single jedi ever was a force ghost. We only know like 4 jedi that can do it so I think its kinda balanced for them to be that OP

[@TheDeathmail]

I actually like this theory very much and it actually does explain a lot... Oh, and Anakin is basically one of the 2 greatest prodigies ever in Star Wars.... only his son matches him...

[@splerch5793]

Fun factoid about the Hoth scenes and production limitations: the blue-screening they did in the original trilogy left thiccc dark borders - not a problem in space, but on Hoth, they had to adjust the opacity so much that in the theatrical release (and pre-remastered VHS) you can actually see the AT-AT's leg through the frame of the snow speeder during the cockpit shots of Luke's robo-rustling. This likely holds true for obi-wan's force ghost as well, but I'm pretty sure they left his opacity the same when they remastered the originals, so your theory is still valid, of course.

[@mskipper19]

All force ghosts have always interacted with one thing in common: the ground. They've always had physical capabilities! lol

[@averyhaferman3474]

float. at ground level

[@dounutman1310]

Including the high ground

[@jkevinparker]

@@dounutman1310 nice!

[@jkevinparker]

Also, they create sound waves. 😅

[@mskipper19]

@@averyhaferman3474 Obi Wan walks over to Luke in ROTJ, he even brushes aside vines as he walks by them, stops and holds his posture while obviously standing on the ground. Then he sits on a log. No floating, you're thinking of It.

[@AceLeach]

"Animated Spinoff" = The best Star Wars content since the original trilogy (arguably)

[@FilmRon]

The Mandalorian is up there though.

[@black3pac]

its still an animated spinoff.

[@Tata-pu6rh]

The Phineas and Ferb crossover *Cough* *Cough*

[@DreadKyller]

Calling something a spinoff doesn't mean the content is bad.

[@Specter180]

Clone wars season 7 and the mandalorain are the best Star Wars content that Disney will make

[@arohk1579]

Vader was so powerful he not only mastered force ghost training but he went one step further by turning his older self into his younger self. You can see the contempt on both Ben and Yodas face as he did this and his smile says look at me oldies I am going to get the young ghost babes suckers.

[@TheUltimateBlaziken]

Wonder how Qui-Gon appearing on Tatooine in Kenobi affects this

[@morekiemadness222]

thats what I thought because he appeared on Tatooine a place with little life.

[@Dylan-Frost]

Who else thinks matpat should do a theory on how many days the movie "groundhog day" lasted

[@ufoe20011]

rami stated 13,495 years

[@jcers]

Around 10 years, but the original plan was for it to be 10,000 years

[@khatunamezvrishvili6211]

10 or maybe 30 years but I wanna see it too. Like the comment to matpat can see

[@ortherner]

ya

[@ihopeyouhaveaniceday2520]

I'm very disappointed that no one so far has said one day.

[@hassunkhan9448]

She should’ve said “Rey Palpatine.” The whole movie was about how you can be whatever you want no matter your origins. Then they threw it out the window when she says “Rey Skywalker”

[@EatAnOctorok]

Hey, if I found out the biggest evil in the galaxy was my grandfather just a day or two before I go to fight him, I'd be pretty traumatized to hear his surname over and over even after killing him.

[@magoschonkers711]

@@EatAnOctorok I'd say palpatine was my grandfather, do you how much money he has in an estate on naboo?

[@oscarflores7750]

I thought u were james lol

[@woaddragon]

You not the first person to say that.

[@watertommyz]

Would you take Hitlers name, even if he's your granpa? Yeah no. You wouldn't.

[@GeorgeDCowley]

3:18 Balanced on a point. 9:00 Maybe they just know things work out, otherwise? 10:00 You already touched on that.

[@andrewderksen3342]

Wow this explains alot Especially rays face off with sidius

[@NintendoCapriSun]

Hoth! There ain't enough life on that ice cube to fill a space cruiser! No but seriously. I like this one a lot.

[@thespeedingturtle]

First

[@kaydnroberts1225]

Mot Goai wonderful video old chap

[@Ben-Ken]

I'm going with a subterranean ocean full of simple life forms idea. 🤔

[@infinightmoon6268]

I like the theory, and agree that it's tied to Force Nexuses. However, I disagree that force nexuses = life. The Jedi Temple on Lothal had very little life around it being surrounded by mostly empty planes with only a few lothcats around, but was very strong with the force. I think these nexuses are more likely "thin" areas where the veil between dimensions is weaker. In the case of Lothal, this manifested in a portal to the World Between Worlds. Ahch-to had an actual hole which led Rey to some weird mirror/vision dimension. And Mortis was likely a realm in between the real world and the Force dimension.

[@wideeric1]

MatPat: Patches up lore mistakes for free Disney: *I see this as an absolute win*

[@mcgillisaugus7297]

My video got stuck at 9:01.. thought I’m in a 3 o clock prayer video or something

[@darkmayhem1295]

My guess for the ghosts not doing anything on dagobah is some sort of code since the Jedi are heavily known to follow their code and internet with spiritual stuff it’s likely they interpreted their physical manifestation problems as a warning to not interfere and because of this they would make some sort of rule as to not interfere with fights anywhere except with advice

[@brannockmccartan5505]

“I’m going to bring balance to the force, like Rey” Fans: It’s treason then.

[@Ryanowning]

Rumor has it that 7, 8, and 9 are going to be made non-canon and brand new 7, 8, and 9 are going to come out under the production of the guy who made The Mandelorian.

[@theresamartinez7517]

@@Ryanowning I'd love that, with the same characters because each character actually had potential. JJ and Rian just did them dirty.

[@ryancols]

@@Ryanowning that's not a rumor. That's just right wingers making up stuff. There's no way to erase those from canon as several actors are deceased or no longer interested in the series. Disgruntled fans should just accept the fact that the prequels weren't good either and TLJ is thematically in line with George.

[@ryancols]

@@theresamartinez7517 no. Luke was always going to end up a hobo so Rian did him right

[@Ariaelyne]

@@Ryanowning They could relatively easily create a 'soft' non-canon through books and comics, but there is no way they are taking the risk of shouting 're-do' on the entire trilogy.

[@thisdoesnotexist5246]

Here are my problems with the movie -too many useless characters that get no screen time -General Hux being a good guy -Palpatine didn’t tell Kylo the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the wise

[@hatguy8225]

Also crappy story

[@mr.mermit6189]

Darth Plagueis was a dark lord of the sith so powerful and so wise he could manipulate the midichlorians to create life.

[@luizafrugoli2400]

General Hux wasn't a good guy, he just didn't like Kylo Ren.

[@jolliron]

@@hatguy8225 wrong

[@vanillaman3093]

I'm confused about the first one? Isn't it good that useless characters got hardly any screen time

[@Mumpa_dumpa16]

Bruh I’ve been geeking over Star Wars for years and you just tackled some of my questions

[@chancemeyers8502]

Gotta say. I never thought about this, But I think I gotta agree with you on this one

[@heemjefee6889]

"Except for one teeny, tiny problem..." Yeah. A good story to tell.

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

@@FlameOnTheBeat And they should remove that stupid line where Rey "senses" Chewie... Didn't she sense him before!? ... But that is one of the lesser problems of the sequels.

[@jacobmeyer4055]

“Mitichlorians are the powerhouse of teh Force.” -matpat, probably

[@kacperszatko8192]

Well. He said pretty much this in a Game Theory about Fallen Order, so...

[@lapiswolf2780]

bill wurtz: -merchants,probably

[@DiochoGlez]

"quai gon cant show himself" obi one kenobi series: "whu you took so long" (quai gon appearing in front of ben)

[@reppich1]

Very logically consistent from start to finish.

[@super_jak]

"Give you therapy sessions." Now if only they'd done that when a young boy was ripped away from his mother or when that boy, now as an adult was struggling with coming to with someone close to him dying.

[@placeholdername3521]

Or when that boy was working as a servant to basically the most evil person in the galaxy

[@fancypants9558]

“Just play Lego Star Wars. But in all seriousness.” Matpat, we are being serious.

[@user-kd2of3oi2n]

عحلمتذ

[@saulcuthbertson7248]

No, Lego Star Wars sucks.

[@chaoticwaffle5325]

Lego Star Wars is the best Star Wars product ever

[@nathannahtan206]

7:20 obi wan series, "nahhhhhh"

[@ineffabledolphin9139]

Qui gon's force ghost in the kenobi show just spitting on matpats theory

[@GrndSchm]

MatPat: Thinks he is a huge star wars fan Star wars legends fans: Perhaps your archives are incomplete

[@thnecromaniac]

Meh, not cannon, sorry bub, but Disney ruined your love

[@valydendor4472]

@@thnecromaniac Still Star Wars. Their point stands.

[@vampuricknight1]

@@thnecromaniac Disney star wars isn't canon, what's your argument now. The vast majority of fans hated the sequel trilogy, because of this there have been discussions that have been released from Lucas film and Disney about simply ignoring the prequel trilogy ever existed in future films. In other words removing them from canon. Thus it can be stated fans not corporate entities with a large wallet and an IP right dictate what is and isn't real. Furthermore creative executive for Lucas film Matt Martin had this to say "It’s all fake anyway so you can choose to accept whatever you want as part of the story." So there you go, none of Disney's star wars in canon and all the good fiction from legends is.

[@whatsinthefridge6119]

@@vampuricknight1 ok, that was an explanation

[@Abdirahman_Mohamed]

Im a Darth Revan stan, loved the Old Republic

[@sevb.6308]

Qui Gon: Without the Mediclorians life could not exist and we wouldn't have any knowledge of the force. Anika: Yeah, because you would be dead.

[@madjaster9620]

What?

[@carmenlynn5441]

Anika? Don't bring Seven into this!

[@dawncrime3121]

This seemed like a comment L from Death Note would say and I'm so proud

[@alveolate]

@philipp ii. yep, and so is your sense of humour, it never existed.

[@Gravitino100]

"YOULL BE DEAD!!!" - that creepy cantina guy

[@StanleyMunson]

Woah, I hadn’t thought of force ghosts this way but I really like the concept. To take it a step further with Endor, maybe the force ghosts couldn’t help Luke because he was on the Death Star 2. Which would have the life-force of troopers and other imperials, but wouldn’t technically be a “planet teaming with life”.

[@TheRVehicle]

1. Vader went down to the forest moon's surface to take custody of Luke and escort him back up to Palpatine on the Death Star. Remember when Vader talks to Luke on the covered catwalk or skyway thing or whatever that connected to the landing platform? According to the video's theory, Obi-Wan and Yoda should have been able to attack Vader at that point. 2. One would think the midichlorians or whatever of all of the people on the Death Star would still be far more than enough for the Death Star to count as teeming with life. For one thing, I assume that it was manned more or less throughout its interior, whereas we've at least historically thought of most life living above ground or in relatively shallow (compared to the overall diameter of an Earth-like planet, that is) bodies of water.

[@ehstudios]

I LOVE this theory...Just Subscribed BTW!

[@rosesareredvioletsblue5438]

MatPat complains about Ghost in Star Wars? That's the spirit!

[@hypnoguygaming1178]

Pun intended?

[@sagescribe_]

Take my like and leave

[@corneliusrosenaa3949]

Eleonora Thu thu thy

[@keniel-prime6214]

I've never heard about starv wars before, is it any good?

[@AhmedEx1.]

Starv wars

[@DrexDan]

"Rey who?" "Reypublic Attack Cruiser."

[@goncalomartins7821]

Underrated comment

[@liker-qd4fz]

normal people " The Venator class star destroyer True Fans : The Venator class carier Every single character in the clone wars tv show : The Venator class cruiser

[@jimcecil4558]

In a book yoda briefly appears before Palpatine but it's super brief. Bit that might be because the death star has a lot of people on it and was over endors forest moon.

[@richardjayroe8922]

You will revisit this year's later after watching Quigon-Gyn appear at the end of the Obi-Wan series as a fully visible force ghost in the middle of a desert

[@kitkatgaming572]

Rey should have said “Rey Palpatine” in order to try and bring honor back to the palpatine name.

[@jesuusch]

Or said that she was ‘Just Rey’

[@leonglitch]

@@jesuusch but that would be an even worse ending

[@ehmehsmeh824]

I'm Rey, Rey-venge of the Sith!

[@santiagobarreraruiz7280]

@@leonglitch no Its not Because It says that she Is a hero but also a nobody just someone that was brave enough to take on the emperor (But rey Palpatine Is better)

[@interstellarkitten6487]

I was kinda disappointed by that. Sure, the name of Palpatine has a lot of fear connected to it, but the name of Solo is the name of a hero, and Kylo Ren absolutely DESTROYED that heritage.