Film Theory: The Lorax Movie LIED To You!

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We all know what the moral to The Lorax is, right? Respect the environment and conservation. Well guess what, you're WRONG! At least, you are wrong if we are talking about the 2012 movie version of The Lorax. You see, that movie made some... interesting changes to the story we all know and love. Changes that kind of ruin that message. In fact, it almost turns it on it's head and says the opposite. Yet, the movie STILL claims to be about environmentalism. Get ready, I am about to expose all of the LIES of The Lorax movie!
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Writer: Matthew Patrick and Justin Kuiper
Editor: Josh Langman and Danial "BanditRants" Keristoufi
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[@flygawnebardoflight]

Disclaimer: Film Theory is not responsible for any psychological trauma inflicted by the Onceler fandom.

[@Nim...]

@@taralamlam1773 Why.....

[@nelloed]

hold up there's a fandom 😳

[@sharkylady986]

I wheezed a bit too hard at this

[@Tintinstan7678]

@@nelloed you have no Idea do you?

[@kirbysuperstar5494]

I say they should be responsible, they should be proud of showing people what a true disaster this film is

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

_"I am the Lorax and I speak for the trees. Save the Amazon, or I'll break your knees."_ *~ The Lorax*

[@john.harrison]

the company or the area?

[@flamingcat1101]

@@john.harrison both

[@lilquacky4965]

Because of the fees i cant buy my cheese

[@LucyWest370]

I am the Lorax I speak for the trees. They say ouch.

[@blaghgames5050]

@@LucyWest370 Wow

[@notagoat281]

Matpat: "No one is suffering from O'hare's corporate greed." Meanwhile: "Our son Wesley kinda glows"

[@casual_ice_consumer4148]

Of course, Wesley doesn't seem to be having any tumors or symptoms of cancer.

[@notagoat281]

@@casual_ice_consumer4148 : 1 Cancer ain't the only problem that glowing could be connected to, nor is it always obvious (actually in a lot of cases the best time to treat cancer is when you can't tell you have it, because it might be too late by the time anyone realizes it's there). 2 The family literally has a doctor following them around.

[@sexmansex4776]

wait does that mean he is going to be the grand grand grandfather of all for one and one for all?

[@razzytack]

@Johnny Tran I think it's pretty clear the glowing is a reference to radiation poisoning, look up "the radium girls" they're real life women who glowed from handling radiactive paints that their employers told them were safe. The glowed and were beautiful for it but died in several months after working for the company. The negative effects of radiation poisoning aren't immediately apparent

[@razzytack]

@@casual_ice_consumer4148 looks like radiation poisoning, which can lead to cancer but you probably won't live that long for that to really get you especially with how coated Wesley seemed to be lol I give him two weeks

[@h3llo_alexx]

Fun Fact: In french, “how bad can I be” has a line that says “I know it’s bad, but whatever” this shows The Onceler knew what he was doing, and not as innocent as he seems.

[@mannythemaniac1009]

Listen to Biggering

[@h3llo_alexx]

@@mannythemaniac1009 I already did

[@loudsoup9185]

Of course it's the french

[@MarkyMark-123]

he's not french tho he wouldn't know?

[@h3llo_alexx]

DAWG ITS A FUN FACT WHY ARE PPL SO MAD 😰

[@rosinbutnotforaviola]

BTW, it is referenced in “How Bad Can I Be” that the Onceler wasn’t being honest about his bad business practices. He was lying to consumers and using business tactics to get them to buy more thneeds, even though he wasn’t replenishing the forests. In addition, the Onceler is depicted as being relatively intelligent, but instead of harnessing that to create a device that could harvest the tufts at a faster rate (which would then grow back in, I’m assuming, the spring), he decides to cut down the trees, which in general is his mother’s fault for pushing him over the edge. The puppeteer behind this “evil” corporate megamind is his mom.

[@Spook_Boi]

overbearing moms are bad 👍

[@catbutonyoutube424]

he just has mommy issues

[@dolphinswilltakeover]

Um idk about blaming his mother for everything he does when the Lorax was literally advising basically the entire movie that what he’s doing is bad, but otherwise yea.

[@AmateurCreep]

he also commited charity fraud to get people to buy more!

[@mehakverma7043]

"And the lawyers are denying" is a quote from hbcib, meaning that he def lied abt some things and got caught up in some law suits. But those voices were shut out with the help of his lawyers. In biggering, he said "who cares if some things are dying" meaning he knew the impact cutting down trees and releasing smog does. At the end of the day, the Once-ler knew what he was doing, and he could have put a stop to it, but he didn't.

[@kendrashaaaa]

"Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better, it's not." my favorite Dr. Seuss quote ever.

[@goosegoose8345]

Yeah same here

[@mrcheese8597]

guess no one cares

[@pathetic2399]

Too bad no one cared a whole awful lot

[@arliamarr8693]

My favourite quote is "you scared him off you dirty ho "

[@DecafInvidia]

Mine is "Eat them in a box?"

[@panzerkampfwagen8439]

"I am the Lorax, and I speak for the trees." "And for some reason, they're speaking Vietnamese."

[@Lily-uz2dn]

I am not the only one who thought of this! Edit: I am Vietnamese

[@missilluminati3389]

Lmao I thought the same

[@KT-rp9tx]

Why are the trees speaking this language? This is a theory we should get MatPat to manage.

[@alanthepianoman]

Very insightful 😂

[@cherrydreams2994]

I don’t get it

[@mrpayday7055]

The thing is, they originally didn't plan for the onceler to be this way. If you listen to the song that was supposed to be in place "biggering", he truly is the villain but they where like "that's a little to similar to us, we need to make him not the bad guy..."

[@mrpayday7055]

@@elt_rex1974 That isn't even related to this?

[@Zusuk1i]

@@mrpayday7055 I think what theyre tryna say is by using Biggering that would make Onceler the actual bad guy which is bad for marketing since he is technically the storys main focus. How is it related to your comment is becuz you talked about how the song should have been Biggering to actually make Onceler look like a bad guy.

[@lucasdamenace9762]

Matpat Forgot the fact that the onceler didnt just ruin the air quality by chopping down trees, but by smogging the air. He also ruined other aspects of the environment like the water supply, by dumping toxic waste in the water. The water is toxic in ThneedVille, its referenced in the opening song and also in the Let It Grow Song.

[@asdunlavey]

Like the Lorax, Danny Devito is a short guy with godly powers.

[@raptorfae.6645]

Yes

[@kaljackal9052]

I've never seen them both in the same room. You recon they're the same person?

[@hyprspd]

@@kaljackal9052 hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[@DTux5249]

@@kaljackal9052 DON'T! YOU'VE KILLED US ALL! NO ONE MAY LIVE TO TELL THE TALE

[@peekingthrottle5502]

Godly Powers?🤔

[@KeyEpic]

So, who had ‘Matpat tries to revive the Onceler fandom’ on their 2020 bingo card?

[@isaaclee2084]

@hazarda nomo heh let's hope not

[@terragolemenjoyer8359]

@@isaaclee2084 someone will ship matpat and onceler

[@soyhugo390]

@@terragolemenjoyer8359 working on it

[@PLASMATIER]

@@soyhugo390 can yOU NOT? KTHXBAI *Shoves off cliff*

[@flygawnebardoflight]

I may have the pinned comment but this comment deserves way more likes

[@spaceseesaw]

This would be 100℅ correct if O'Hare actually created Thneedville. The Onceler is actually the founder of Thneedville (proof of this is thneedville literally being named after the Oncelers invention and the thneedville model in the Oncelers office)

[@shiny_crystal]

yeah, he didnt exactly create thneedville, but he kept it going and started providing the air and stuff, yk?? so it still kinda counts

[@lProN00bl]

@@shiny_crystal It's never stated anywhere in the movie where the air just in the area is coming from. Kinda just felt written that way to suggest even if we ruin the environment somehow we will be fine and dandy. The problem is this doesn't happen in real life. People don't buy water due to placebo they buy it because tap water isn't safe to drink in some places.

[@Pixel_Ink_]

hi seesaw

[@HJ_Records]

i honestly think that once ler's mum is the real bad guy, once ler had no intention of chopping the trees, she put the idea in his head

[@lProN00bl]

That was very much the intent rather than just have him be accountable for his actions. Because CEOs can't be responsible for their own actions despite doing everything they can to gain power and avoid accountability.

[@PyroGam3s]

@@lProN00bl Yes for whatever reason the CEO's aren't to blame. When companies get lawsuits it goes against the company not the CEO's. (Some lawsuits do go against CEO's but not usually) The point is the company either wins or settles, and the people in charge just keep doing their thing, uninterrupted.

[@althealee9375]

“It’s not evil, it’s just stupid” idk why but I love this line

[@MercuryA2000]

Its just so simple. And as someone who likes Hanlon's razor, I'm gonna roll with it.

[@kieranmcginley1262]

Everybody watching Dr. Doofenshmirtz be like:

[@benaring2875]

America in a nutshell

[@AnInsideJoke]

I'm starting to feel like this is a good explanation for 2020 as well.

[@jjsix6943]

"your oner I'm just stupid"

[@chaoticcatartist]

We just gonna ignore biggering? The best song in the album that doesn't acctualy appear in the movie because it hit illumination too close to home.

[@salbon6257]

My cousin was telling me about that song last night lol I had never heard of it before

[@mcphoogirl9988]

YES YES YES I’ve been so obsessed with this song lately and dreaming about how cool the movie could have been if it had been darker

[@cha0tic_ech0]

AW MAN I was sort of waiting for him to mention it.

[@Arya-we7vf]

I'm SO glad that someone mentioned it. I was thinking about it the entire video, it's honestly so amazing.

[@mariisconfused]

Yes, I was hoping he'd bring that up. I saw a comment regarding the decision to scrap the song, 'What's wrong Illumination? Hit too close to home, and I couldn't agree more

[@sanssonic_2568]

He originally said “who cares if SOME THINGS are dying”

[@Puddinz_]

The first time I watched the Lorax, I realized the message. It’s actually much more deeper than we thought.

[@troythompson6306]

lore axe

[@MemeMan99]

The trees can’t be harmed if the Lorax is armed.

[@maryclaireholmes7552]

Stay strapped or get clapped- George Washington or something

[@donovanthefrog138]

No lorax, not the children!

[@cmart7983]

Merica

[@cmart7983]

Guns rock

[@malumempireum3471]

Such an underrated poem...

[@arvindchhagan2098]

Ted only wanted a tree to get his crush so it is sad to know that he did not really want trees. How could have I missed this.

[@IceIR27]

@HypercarFest so does that means, that *WE* are the villains?

[@jasonlopez2697]

I don't see it as sad. Not everyone is willing to risk everything for just the greater good. They were comfortable with their lives and nobody was willing to lose that for something if it didn't affect their lives personally all that much. Not even Audrey took the risk. It's more sad nobody did anything, it took a young boy with a girl crush to finally do something about it. A boy who never seen a real tree like the previous generation who literally saw the destruction of the trees and it's wildlife. Just because a reason started off selfish doesn't matter. It's what it comes out at the end of it. I think Ted learned the importance and understood that it wasn't just about his crush on Audrey anymore. Yeah it's likely still a reason but nothing wrong with that. Even Oncler knew he was doing it for a girl because it's true, guys do crazy things for a girl but even still, it's not how it starts that matters but what it grows into and Oncler himself knew that himself. That's why he gave him the seed regardless him knowing he did it all for a girl. He needed to find someone and Ted was the only one to search for it. Despite the reasons that's all you really need so it can grow into more. (Which it does at the end). The last generation themselves created the destruction and up to that point did nothing to fix it because once O'Hare came they got comfortable again and forgot about trees and the world that was once really there. His focus at the end while planting the seed I took as he really found the importance. Even his speech he gave to the town told me he truly learned to care for the seed and trees and wanted to revive the world they destroyed. The seed in his heart wasn't the "purest" you could say but it grew into one. And that's definitely better than someone who might have pure reasons but is doing nothing about it. I did my best to not be so lengthy 😅

[@joshuaoostenbrink1324]

This movie is actually just about some simp who tries to get a plant for his girl

[@insecuree8194]

I think that’s cute tho he had motivation and learned about the benefits from it

[@cleoismee]

@@joshuaoostenbrink1324 Yes lol-

[@goldensentinel7715]

I blame the Oncelers family more. It's clear that they only started to care for him once he started to get money. And the minute he stops making money, they say he's nothing but a disappointment and abandons him. He couldn't say no to his mother because he wanted her to be proud of him for once and they family no doubt broke down his will to say no to them. It's hard to go against toxic parents when you want them to show you support for once in your life. It also seemed like he was trying convince himself before his song and as it got further in, he was blinded by his success and only realized what he had done when it was too late.

[@randomgacha1494]

“ Are you sure the Once-ler isn’t a bad guy? “ *Plays biggering* (If your wondering what biggering is, it’s a scrapped song)

[@Doublemonk0506]

To be fair, that version basically makes him the star villain. Practically every person in the scrapped version, at least as the songs imply, are complicit in all this

[@RustyGator]

MatPat acknowledging the existence of Onceler x Evil Onceler is probably the most cursed thing Ive heard this week

[@beacon626]

Wait wut-

[@qwertyuio404]

@@taralamlam1961 Why have you been replying to everyone’s comments with a link to a video of how to convert PDF files to a Word document? What exactly does that have to do with the Lorax?

[@hotdogstockimage]

@@qwertyuio404 he's trying to get views by placing the link to his video into the comments. He most likely doesn't care about the video, but what do I know

[@kanataslover]

I've seen worst.....

[@archermon373]

"This week", I've never heard a more apt way to describe the internet

[@guyguiseman152]

Fun fact: illumination cut the song "biggering" from the movie as it paints the onceler (aka the evil corporate business man aka illumination themselves) as the most evil man in the world meanwhile in "how bad can i be?" He's just a wittle stupid guy and we all make mistakes which is a tactic used by big companies to seem innocent when something bad such as: purposfully bad security on websites, unsafe caves that they are fully aware are unsafe, ect. In these situations they dont fix it untill someone finds it out then they act stupid then and only then will they fix the problem

[@ninatheVRplayer]

13:52 the guy that said “SEEDS WILL RUIN US ALL!” was one of O’Hares marketing people so just keep that in mind

[@horriblelifechoices5780]

Matpat: “In a way, he’s kinda heroic” The character in question: *has his own secret police*

[@historynerd205]

@Leo Roman Mabiasen I feel like it's more about the fact he's using them to silence anyone trying to learn more about the history of the city or even just trying to leave.

[@trollerjakthetrollinggod-e7761]

@Aun Hathiari yes

[@terrariangolden6985]

@@historynerd205 the problem of leave the city is because you DIES, if you get out, you gonna go back immediataly, because of the bad air, so you willl NEED to go back

[@frederickwilliams4727]

well they act as if they where the gestapo

[@--------352]

@Aun Hathiari yes

[@rafaelmcgrathfernando6365]

Matpat: there is no coughing or choking or any side effects Glowing baby: am I a joke to you

[@TheRoomba.]

His just glowing tho he looks fine and before you say Radiation, dude think first if there was Radiation in that pool shouldn't he be dead by now or dead *in* the pool where his swimming at. Im not being a trashbag or a jerk just saying bro :3

[@arandominternetuser4507]

@@TheRoomba. Even so, how can glowing ever be a good sign.

[@TheRoomba.]

@@arandominternetuser4507 i never said it was a good sign

[@shrimpo1530]

Then again, the kid doesn’t seem to complain about glowing lol

[@TheRoomba.]

@@shrimpo1530 yep

[@AaronNopesOut]

They should have kept the song “biggering” because it’s so much more villainous and makes him come off as more of an awful person. “Who cares if a few trees are dying?” But in biggering it’s “who cares if a few THINGS are dying” acknowledging that he’s doing much more than JUST killing trees.

[@Soph_120]

Nah because when you described the end of the movie “unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot nothings going to get better it’s not” it hit harder than the ACTUAL movie😭💗

[@HELLO-mx6pt]

Matt pat : "I'm sorry, but I can't fault a guy with a dream, that overcomes adversity to get tremendous success, as the bad guy here" Also mattpat: "Remy is the villain of ratatouille"

[@badradish2116]

got em

[@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx]

He's kinda hypocritical somehow.

[@freddyfazboi1632]

Remy is a rat and kidnapped the villain and health inspector

[@NeverExisted-NeverWill]

@NickTara also remy is a rat in a RESTAURANT

[@Quorented]

I'm gonna write this here since.. no one will see it in the 20k comments. This movie closely resembles real life. Humans think the government are bad and that they never give us freedom yet they are really giving us all we need and want.. the trouble is humans don't have a limit they want and want and want until there are no resources left.. like trees for products like in the movie.. Are we being contained maybe are we being treated with a slap on the wrist if we do something we shouldn't maybe.. but in the end we have food, happiness and thriving civilisation.. humans just don't have a limit or respect current or future generations of living live even if it's as simple as a flower or a leaf.

[@Cardboard-Animations]

I always thought the family was the villains because they force him to chop down the trees, and then when they run out, the mother is disappointed in him.

[@inugeek411]

I actually have a theory that Onceler could've just made a device to hoist his family HIGHER so they can harvest MORE tufts without needing to cut down the tree since it wasn't the WOOD they wanted to begin with

[@soupy55]

@@inugeek411 probably but they’re too greedy and impatient hhh

[@inugeek411]

@@soupy55 yeah, true

[@inugeek411]

@@panigbrowardcollege they weren't using the wood! It was a waste to cut down the trees if they just needed the tufts! Planting more does nothing to solve that problem! It might even cause overforestation!

[@inugeek411]

@@panigbrowardcollege I would assume they'd use brick and mortar or plaster and cement to build factories instead of wood since that stuff is more hardy. As for overforestation, you're suggesting messing with the ecosystem. Onceler didn't need to do all that. If he'd just created something to mass harvest tufts, he could've left the ecosystem alone, still mass produce the thneeds, BY HAND, and STILL keep the consumers happy...ish

[@hillstudiosproductions]

We need to talk about the fact that the Onceler plays an electric guitar that for some reason does not require external amplification

[@Daniel_Schmaniel]

Fun fact, the term sin comes from an archery term meaning to miss the target. So you could reasonably say that Illumination Entertainment sinned with the Lorax.

[@kitkatkittenss]

i- i dont think you should phrase it that way

[@xOrionNebula1970]

👀

[@TheRepublicOfDixionconderoga]

And that’s a fact

[@AgentH53]

I blame Lorax. He didn't tell Onceler about tree seeds or saplings until AFTER all the trees were gone.

[@cleoismee]

I blame The Onclers family, because they convinced him to cut down the trees. He might of thought of cutting them down himself but...If his parents didn't come i feel like he would listen to the Lorax

[@cryingchild4460]

@@cleoismee Hi Elizabeth

[@RanoutofideazXD]

The One-ler's family wouldn't have let him anyway

[@refrigator]

*gasp* HE'S RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!

[@axolotl_boba7641]

DONT BLAME THE LORAX

[@HuneeBruh]

“How wrong can we possibly be?” Me: *fnaf timeline flashbacks*

[@iamaepicpersonlol557]

No

[@banukie24]

@@iamaepicpersonlol557 yes

[@StephenDurnan]

Yes

[@realThomastheCat]

Oh my

[@iamaepicpersonlol557]

I SAID NO

[@poorman-1168]

the only thing i disagreed about was the consumers during the once-lers business empire because in the once-lers song you can hear that the media is covering what is happening within the company and its boundaries. the consumers probably wouldnt have known and yet although they would have been almost gasping for air they wouldn’t have been able to find out. unless they had no control over their land and people casually walked onto it the media discloses everything

[@TheAncientOneVI]

I love this movie so much. When I was younger I kept forgetting the movie was called the Lorax. So instead I remembered that the veichles the town citizens ride are usually just with 1 or 2 wheels (it’s weird I know) and that the main character had a 1 wheel motorcycle. So instead I called the Lorax movie, the “Movie where people drive on 1 wheel”

[@unholierthanthou7748]

"It seems... Not bad at all" Sir there is a glowing child.

[@kingdamazo7266]

Glowing? Yes Harmed? Nope

[@unholierthanthou7748]

@@kingdamazo7266 the kid is glowing- what do you mean he's not harmed? That has to have some sort of effect on him that we don't see in the movie

[@kingdamazo7266]

@@unholierthanthou7748 If they didn't animate it or mention it, it didn't happen

[@My_besties-bestie]

Toxic water

[@luvjnell]

@@kingdamazo7266 True

[@lankthytheunforgiving4437]

It's funny that Matt Pat says that everyone in thneedvile is perfectly healthy even though we see in the opening minutes of the movie there are glowing children

[@basiccarinfo8532]

It was a anti vax kid

[@aestronom1920]

@@basiccarinfo8532 "our son kinda glows"

[@oliviacollins4387]

The kids were glowing but that was the only thing. There was no sign of other side effects that could hurt them so...

[@alli_xo1017]

Are you kidding me if I glowed as a child I wouldve been ecstatic!!!!

[@mewbatyt3939]

There’s only one glowing child but can we get a theory on why he glows

[@varangiangaming7178]

I don't know how much actual credit one could give O'Hare for the air quality as it isn't really outright stated the extent to the role he plays or how that place even has breathable air to begin with. As for the Onceler and his stupidity, he's absolutely to blame. At any point he could've grown a spine or done the right thing and told his family to get out of his life. Not only that but there is such a thing as criminal negligence, so stupidity will not save you from violating the law.

[@meowtuber5259]

Something that I found really interesting: there is a cut demo version of how bad can i be called Biggering. In that version the onecler is clearly aware of what he is doing, but he continues to destory the environment because he wants to feed his pride hie greed. The sad thing is that it didn't make it into the movie because it was supposedly too dark, but everyone knows that it was just too relatble for the massive corporations such as illumination producing this movie. The song had a much stronger message that said that even if some ceo is extremely likeable and relatble and nice, that doesn't mean he can't be as bad or even worse than other CEOs. Plus the song is fucking BANGER.

[@KotaSlim25]

The saddest part of this theory is that there was a version of the Lorax that was planned to have that message. The problem was the people in charge of illumination didn’t want to make themselves look bad.

[@monagoat1503]

“Look bad” are you serious they think that spreading the message “the person who made it is at fault even though were the ones asking for more” is a good message instead of “we need to stop promoting bad companies cause then we won’t have a home” is embarrassing?!!

[@KotaSlim25]

@@monagoat1503 You know what? Maybe we should have left the Lorax as a children’s book. It had a simple message that does apply to today, but isn’t necessarily going into all the little details that cause problems for everyone involved.

[@djmewtwo6981]

@@monagoat1503 I don’t understand what you mean

[@okayokay422]

@@monagoat1503 "...and the PR people are lying!" How are consumers more responsible when they are far more ignorant than the business owners, and are just trying to get innovative and cheap versions of things they genuinely need, and have depended on for generations? People need shirts and hats and blankets and pillow cases. These things aren't excesses. That's why the product is called "the need". The Onceler is entirely at fault for not planting trees. It's not like consumers told him to cause extinction.

[@user-wm5xf3tr9d]

@@okayokay422 ​ I get what you’re saying, but the point was he had a smart idea, and made a stupid oopsie when not thinking about the longevity of his source for making the thneeds. And the thneed wasn’t necessarily a necessity, it was more like a multi-use convenience that became trendy (which trends irl are often known for people having the “need” for that thing). And since people liked it and wanted more, he made more, yk?

[@itsdannyziahmemer7817]

The one thing Mat-Pat and everyone are not pointing out is the fact that the water is really toxic the kid is glowing

[@centricthemedic1517]

No this is kzbin.info/www/bejne/moLaZapvjMyLmbM In all seriousness, thank you

[@alexismyers6053]

Yeah, I was waiting for that to be thrown in as a joke at the very least...

[@birdlisa58]

Ye i agree, but does he show signs of health problems besides becoming green.

[@LyricalViking]

@@centricthemedic1517 Nice try, but I recognize that link from a mile away.

[@roseofhappilove6841]

Yeah 😂 as toxic as the Tumblr fandom

[@lagpostg.r.y9955]

9:01 I bet she actually wants to see anything real-tree related Like a forest for example

[@skycasinoo]

Honestly, I've always thought that the villain is the mom because she was the one who drove the Onceler to insanity and made him cut down all the trees. It could also be the consumer too because they also influenced the reduction of trees.

[@miserableghandi7960]

I'm sorry but the Onceler having "mommy issues" makes so much sense

[@powerbankcinema9731]

correction: no

[@Reactiontime6000]

@@powerbankcinema9731 Correction: no One asked

[@Brit_3sc.]

@@Reactiontime6000 LOLL

[@cleoismee]

@@Reactiontime6000 LOL

[@cleoismee]

Mhm!

[@bellesoares8523]

My favorite part from this movie was always the “let it die, let it die, let it shrivel you and die” the way Mr.Ohare just claps and taps his feet was so fucking funny

[@tylerandari12]

Same here lol

[@Dumbaxxi]

Me and my friend at school after the teacher said she was pregnant: (in private ofc)

[@haleyhershey7398]

@@Dumbaxxi wtaf…

[@Dumbaxxi]

@@haleyhershey7398 Lmafo

[@Dumbaxxi]

We did the dance too, we were in the bathroom when nobody was in there

[@TTPD_1989.]

Actually at the last part when onceler goes in his office and sits down, u can clearly see hes planning out a future city using a tiny model of THNEEDville, naming it after his thneed ofc. But he probably was starting to create thneedville but after his business crashed (and his factory lol) thneedville probably already was bei g built and in the future, handed his ownership to the town to o'hare or he abandoned it idk Idk how to talk rn it so late at night and im writing this idk correct me if im wrong or smth idk

[@Neptunesalad12]

Intro is the best

[@auline8531]

It's so sad that the movie took on this more comedic, child-friendly tone. The book has a much better message and delivery. Also, the song they cut out of the movie (Biggering) is one of my favorite songs now.

[@beckyr.4708]

Yeah it's a shame I found out that treasure of a song just yesterday. It would have been very impactful in the movie and showed that the corporates in real life aren't naïve (Hbcib) but are very much aware of the damage they cause to the environment but just doesn't care. but I guess they removed it because they wanted to not hurt the feelings of the higher ups. I get chills with the line "...who cares if some things are dying".

[@sunflower8227]

THE BIGGERINNNGGGGGG IS TRIGGERINGGGGGG MORE BIGGERIIINNGGGGG

[@bombdiggitysongs1117]

Imma look this up now, thanks ❤️

[@MEDSZ13.08]

And the end of the book has no good ending

[@idkwhyihaveyt8686]

Yea, it has a more impactfull meaning but I don't want to replace how bad can I be.

[@naznimation]

“He’s a tall thin guitar playing guy nerd who likes marshmallows and has mommy issues” I feel attacked

[@abdullahemek2488]

Same

[@naznimation]

@Fidel RMZ ?

[@nidhoggofnastrond]

Same

[@TheRepublicOfDixionconderoga]

💀

[@TheRepublicOfDixionconderoga]

@@abdullahemek2488 💀

[@aori_]

A very popular opinion I assume: Once you listen to the original demos, the songs that replaced it arent as good

[@TheXboxLiveShow]

The Once-ler's mother is the real villain in this film. There is a scene in the movie where the Once-ler starts to have second thoughts about chopping all of the trees down because he knew what the outcome was going to be and how much damage he would be doing. And then near the end of the film when all the trees are gone his mother has the gall to say that she is disappointed in him. All because of his mother.

[@christophercampbell6884]

Matpat is like the king of making "The villain is right" theories.

[@pendragongameart]

Well, he never said the villains were right, just that they were unopposed by the masses

[@HoodiewearingOpp]

*God of Villain is right theories*

[@PJOZeus]

He may be the king of making ‘the villain is right’ theories, but he’s not wrong

[@HoodiewearingOpp]

@@PJOZeus you’re missing the word “be”

[@PJOZeus]

@@HoodiewearingOpp you saw nothing, I blame the heat (but thanks)

[@meihatsume6486]

hot take: The real villain is the mom. The onceler just wanted to make his product, but he'd been so broken down by his mom constantly telling him that he was and would always be a failure, that finally getting validation from her blinded him to everything else, including the fact that she was a gold digger and wanted to cut down trees to make more money

[@sirsteam181]

You're right but If only they went with Biggering a better story would have been had.

[@frost9731]

That's the biggest issue. Illumination copped out, they made the Onceler as likeable and innocent seeming as possible as he commits atrocities. He never once truly looks around him at the damage he havocs and we can just blame his mother. It shows that he is unconscious of his actions to the most part except that he's killing a few trees. The movie doesn't hold him accountable of his actions as being self aware and propagates the idea that these Big Businesses are all innocent and when something goes wrong that they found out years ago but decided not to do anything to save money they have "plausible deniability " . It's not their fault, they had no idea that what they were doing was wrong.

[@fatty1040]

Idk everyone has a will and the unwillingness to express that will is also what is wrong. They both are at fault or how the theory puts it everyone in the movie is at fault.

[@devon4498]

Consider checking out my reaction vid

[@aidenfurry471]

@@frost9731 and here you are missing the point of the video, who's buying what they're selling? who's telling them to keep going, to keep cutting down trees and keep charging for air? blaming it all on the businesses does nothing. letting the businesses off the hook does nothing. how many people talking about climate change and big business do you think will call out China for their massive hand in it, heck Bernie, Mr "big business is bad" himself won't call them out because they're communist

[@GhostlyGuardian]

A cut song called “Biggering” shows how the onceler actually saw the situation he caused

[@Kulkogo]

‘This movie’s soundtrack is a BOP!’ *2 years pass* TikTok: Hey, he’s on to something

[@alexfirefly1956]

Dr. Seuss isn't just turning in his grave. He's rotating so quickly he's drilling a hole into the earths core!

[@MovieFan1912]

And he’s racing against other big names to get there, including William Hanna and Joseph Barbera, Walt Disney, and many more I don’t have the time to mention.

[@bruh-ux1ns]

@@MovieFan1912 Tom Clancy too.

[@Ryan-pg1tw]

you should be more respectful i think

[@bossbaddiegames]

@@Ryan-pg1tw oh my god anyone from the future who sees my comment have a look at Ryan (the chap I’m replying to here - just in the case he changes his name). I’ve taken screenshots for my own recorded proof. All he does is reply to people on this channel telling them - in different ways so it’s not just copy and paste - to be more respectful. It’s so really fucking weird!

[@adrienstarfaer]

@@bossbaddiegames That is really weird -

[@chubbybunny6975]

"I am the Lorax, I speak for the trees. Litter again, *I'll break your f**king knees* "

[@xChibiAstralxX]

All I can picture is Danny Devito saying "I'M THE T R A A A S H MAN" XD

[@kkcake5771]

@@we_never_met_never_will sorry about that

[@wolfieedits539]

NOT IF I TAKE YOUR KNEECAPS FIRST! * Takes Kneecaps and runs *

[@xChibiAstralxX]

@@wolfieedits539 Oh, now you've done it! Now you get to live through the horror of watching a tiny Eldrich being who speaks in Tree Tongues crawl after you in the dead of night like some kind of horror movie!

[@wolfieedits539]

@@xChibiAstralxX YOU DONT HAVE KNEECAPS YOU CAN'T CATCH UP TO ME MWUAHAHAHA

[@aaliyah7792]

That's why I think biggering should have been kept. If the movie wanting the onceler to be evil they should've put in the song that literally stated that he knew what he was doing and yet didn't care rather than was dumb and didn't think ahead.

[@monkeking_2144]

I was jokingly showing a friend the song how bad can I be and he said that the all of the Lorax looks like a fever dream.

[@genericalias2179]

"The onceler isn't that bad, you'll see!" Hear that? That's the sound of millions of teenagers re-writing their fanfictions.

[@el9703]

Oh god, the oncelings are returning, MATPAT WHAT HAVE YOU DONE

[@ilikenougat8892]

@@el9703 MATPAT WHY

[@lexverdi2821]

@@el9703 XD

[@brgan557]

I can't belive there are onceler stans

[@docrofreborn7497]

Umm... guys? Is horizon dust meant to smell like daddy issues, teenage angst and burnt pens?

[@bipolar_skittle]

There's a problem with these 'managed forests' sure, they'll keep planting trees, but the forests-if you can even call them that-that they leave aren't sustainable. They're unicellular, they can't hold other life forms (plant or otherwise) still causing mass extinction. Even if these companaies replant the trees, it's not good enough.

[@voidege_xdwikmas8522]

"Trees can't be harmed if the lorax is armed" 🔫👨

[@kittrellcabrera-ayers7125]

Highly disappointed this isn’t a theory about how the Lorax is the villain of The Lorax

[@gc0009]

ikr? he is just defending capitalism

[@TylerBluTheConqueror777]

Same

[@badrecords-6476]

Our trees

[@hello90976h]

Bruh didn’t no one care about trees but now with climate change we all of a sudden care about em

[@gc0009]

@@hello90976h a few people have always been concerned about the environment, but the vast majority do not care because they have their brain washed by the monetary system now the vast majority are concerned with the fear of dying in climatic disasters such as earthquakes, volcanoes and floods, and not with the environment. great.

[@poymannyng1845]

I'll tell you who the REAL villain is, whoever decided Biggering and the original concepts were to be scrapped, I'll never get over it

[@mariomaster101official]

True

[@bakedbaker9882]

Blame the suits at Illumination. They don't appreciate thoughtful art. They're too afraid to make themselves look bad! They're the ones who agreed to use THIS movie in distasteful ads.

[@shaansingh6048]

what's biggering?

[@nootnoot7088]

FOR REAL

[@mcrain1283]

@@shaansingh6048 biggering is an alternative song version of how bad can I be but someone thought it was too complicated or whatever for children so they switched it up with how bad can I be and I don't know if I should be happy or mad because I love both songs

[@mrego886]

Onceler would had been a great villain if they actually kept "biggering" instead of "how bad can I be".

[@anejz1637]

Lorax did do just that at the end of the movie with a quote "UNLESS someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better."

[@Adele-195]

Him: "You see this" Me: the bullseye? Him: "The point, you missed it"

[@hewhositsuponfroggychair5722]

"The point got on a plane to Venice but you've somehow ended up in Alaska."

[@YungGeezer]

The point is that you tried asking a person out but that person became your worst enemy

[@AMT911]

oof

[@SprinklesServant]

Gabriella Yaksich I thought they were hilarious!

[@squishedavocado4546]

O’ hare: sells bottles of air Lay’s chips: Am I a joke to you?

[@PrivateBooth]

Am i a joke to you*

[@slevinchannel7589]

Sorry, but the truth is, Matt gets things partly mind-numbingly wrong here. For once, he assumes that all Consumers naturally know what's best for them, which is just objectively wrong. Totally, totally wrong. And: Of course the consumers are solid part of the problem, but talking like the producers of these problems are by no means at fault, is laughably bad. He makes it clear he thinks they are no Villains, which is just again wrong. Matt obviously knows not much about Capitalism and gets a lot wrong. Logic-wise and story-wise. ...On a side note, he also overlooked a certain green-glowing boy, but whatever... But mostly his logic is just wrong.

[@jamez3673]

@@slevinchannel7589 Yeah, my exact thoughts! You have a lot of guts to comment this on his channel. Sooner or later someone will attempt to prove you wrong.

[@proudmultistan5944]

@@slevinchannel7589 you’ve just been copying and pasting your comment into every new one. I don’t see you working hard to create videos explaining the science beneath games, movies, and more. Don’t be a critic without having any experience

[@witheredbonnie9268]

@@proudmultistan5944 yeah

[@anthonka]

Me looking at O’Hare *guitar riff starts playing* “OH YEAH!”

[@user-mm8qb5vw7c]

The trees can't be harmed if the Lorax is armed and touch his trees and he'll break your knees.

[@justhybrid]

Matpat: no one is harmed from O'Hare's enterprise Me: Are you just going to ignore the little green glowing child in the background?

[@plate_fox]

@@taralamlam1825 silence bot

[@muhammadomar2963]

@@plate_fox u know he ain't a bot cuz he said a fuding thing in the comment plus he just copy paste he ain't a bot

[@DTux5249]

And he's entirely unharmed

[@theunholysmirk]

nah thats his quirk, in 200 yrs society will have superheroes as far as the eye can go

[@feister2869]

The Unholy Smirk EVERYONE THE WEEBS ARE COMING PREPAREEEEEE!!!

[@woos057]

Of course they missed the point They created the frickin Onceler fandom.

[@haileyiscommenting]

Anything that creates the monster that is the Oncelor fandom has something wrong with it

[@CocatGaming]

They were close to getting the point across, but they cut some songs that were better at getting the point across. Specifically this song: kzbin.info/www/bejne/maHcpqKigNSYd7s

[@JiannaSandoval]

Technically the fans created the fandom

[@saffi_taffi]

@@JiannaSandoval lol

[@barboraklepalova3886]

@@CocatGaming I don't think using the song would stop the shippers though...

[@slayed_p00p]

3:07 it’s 3 story’s not 2. At the begin you see that the lorax is telling this story.

[@orphan_eater.1]

i watched the lorax 13 times its 69

[@latte_mxchabear1797]

I have a theory abt the onceler. It’s that at frost he wanted to take the leaves from the trees but his mom FORCED him to cut them down

[@RTFS]

That's Exactly What He just needed but Since He Want's To Be More Powerful He cutted them down extra Resource

[@randomstuffc.j.o1408]

"You think people are stupid enough to buy this?" Me : *yes, yes they do*

[@gucciroseii3517]

@ apple releasing those $550 headphones

[@Diobrando-dn2mx]

Uhm i buy this for my friend and we watch it then we loose money to that dumb movie

[@marielyc2424]

LMAOO

[@joe12_3]

@@gucciroseii3517 or the magnetic iPhone 11

[@Usoda_]

A brick with a logo on it

[@creditsunknown7974]

Me after getting two saplings for one tree: *Buissness is booming!*

[@JDReC100]

oh minecraft

[@PxndaCakes]

I always get 2...

[@anarael0890]

I always get at least 4 apples

[@evilash5108]

Bruh one time I got extremely lucky and got like 5 sapling from one tree but sadly that’s never happened again and it probably won’t

[@Deadman-rl1hh]

@@evilash5108 I think you will

[@_W3IRD_CH1LD_]

"MAN- It is *no* wonder Tumbler fell in love with this guy, he's a tall, thin, guitar playing nerd, who wears vests, loves marshmallows, and has mommy issues" - The biggest theorist himself.. Matt patt 2020

[@GUG3X]

Matpat, if you say that consumers are villian then Oncler's Mom is villian too. She is the one who told him to cut down trees to make Business faster.. She is the one Why Onceler cutted down more and more and trees. She is the resson why o'hare made the company.

[@taylorschwamb2314]

literally the entire time I watched this movie, I just wondered why they didn’t find a more efficient way to harvest the “leaves” instead of chopping the trees down or using the weird single leaf collector thing, ladders literally would’ve been more efficient, just climbing up and grabbing a handful would’ve been better than both the other options and to this day I don’t understand how not a single person thought of that

[@freshbread4039]

same

[@dweebteambuilderjones7627]

Originally, Onceler made his family do this, plucking individual tufts out and leaving the rest of the tree alive. His family pressured him into cutting them down because otherwise they wouldn't approve of him.

[@madisonwillis9591]

This is just smart from a business perspective as well. You make things out of this resource that's limited and that can't be made otherwise? You preserve that resource as best you can. Sure, the Onceler made a lot of money all at once, but then couldn't make more or anything and became a recluse/hermit because he could do it for a good time, but not a long time. And heck, with all the time and money invested into the tree chopping machine, he could've spent that time designing and building a tree plucking machine that would only remove the top of the tree, allowing it to regrow and him to continue selling and manufacturing product. Basic stonks and kapitalism people.

[@diersteinjulien6773]

You would think so, but I will point you toward a real life industry: fishing. It's incredibly easier for fishing boats to just catch everything and anything, and then throw out what doesn't interest them (usualy killing it in the process), than to carefuly taylor their nets to only catch the type of fish they want. That's exactly the same here. It's easier and cheaper to mow down the trees and filter the leaves, than to take a ladder and pick them up a few at a time.

[@godricktheminecrafted3113]

Big corporate company Need I say more?

[@nikogaming683]

film theory in a nutshell: heroes = *villains* villains = *heroes* and that's it

[@linkmaster253]

You=Cynical MattPat=Rad

[@microphonejacket]

This comment should have more likes and be liked by the creator.

[@user-ge8yf1rg8f]

@Ognen Mihajlovski That or a typo.

[@joshuaculler717]

yes

[@joshuaculler717]

@@linkmaster253 he's right tho

[@aquaphoenix-mt2iv]

Added detail At no point did anybody like.. protest? Anything? Not even just to keep getting thneed? Surely SOMEBODY had to know trees were necessary for more thneed and they wanted thneed And nobody even told the dude "hey, plant some trees and you'll have more money"

[@JoelTheParrot]

Fun fact: The idea that they were all strapped up to oxygen tanks was considered for the film. Too dark or tone-clashing I reckon. I mean, the air IS bad around there because the lack of trees, just not unbreathable. The air from bottles has a lingering effect because this is a fantasy story. and the fantasy story thing applies to why the truffola trees (hope I spelled that right) don't produce enough seeds to sustain themselves when they're being chopped down the way they are. (Also even if they WERE being replanted properly, the biggering of his factory was clearly having too harsh an effect on the environment for them to sustain life.)

[@armaansharma]

No joke, as Matpat was explaining the uselessness of O'hare's "fresher" air, I got an ad for an air purifier!

[@vpirules95]

I love it when stuff like that happens

[@thefruityghost]

I got an add for smart water right after he compared the bottled air to bottled water

[@epion660]

To be fair, depending on where you live an Air Purifier actually can be good for you. A heavily industrialized area would benefit from it.

[@gogogoing8122]

忍者 kzbin.info/www/bejne/jJqcZaqmhrpknNU

[@brandondoserandomstuff9000]

SAME!

[@rachelmoore1411]

“I just went swimming and now I glow!” - not a serious health concern? 😂

[@ferociousmaliciousghost]

@@sekoseko2165 I am genuinely confused.

[@dominicwelsh608]

Lmao🤣

[@angierose7623]

Well if you think about he's JUST glowing he's not in any pain or anything

[@nathanqvc9828]

Not this year at least

[@twoscarabsintheswarm9055]

No it isnt

[@-Shizuky-]

Now when I'm thinking about the Bottled air.. isn't it just Vape?

[@plashie99]

Ok this is just obvious and very simple: onceler was just a man that had a dream to change the world to the better, he didn’t mean to hurt anyone, his mother did and she just wanted money. Money money and money, which is the point of the whole Lorax movie, so it makes her the obvious villain. Not only she was greedy and was the main reason the ecosystem was destroyed, he mentally abused her son. End. Of. Story✨

[@cabbage4705]

Plot Twist: Mat was paid by companies to tell us that the corporations aren’t evil and actually we are

[@victoriae725]

Simple solution: blame everyone. Everyone is the problem. Companies for bad ethical practices and consumers for encouraging the companies. Everyone played a part in getting to this point, and it'll take everyone to get us out.

[@bpqd2624]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/rmHGnKmlZ79oeLc

[@emmadefrancesco6758]

@@victoriae725 this is the most nuanced take on the video that I have seen. Plenty of people are trapped in loop due to cost and poverty, but plenty aren’t. Plenty just don’t know better or who choose not to know better. This far deep into pollution and environmental harm can only be undone by as many consumers and big companies as possible. We can’t just blame the company but also back and say “well it’s not the consumers fault because they were poor.” Of course some people can’t afford to do so at the moment, but there’s plenty you could do with spending a dollar like sharing the video and ideas behind it, use the influence you have in your community to boost environmentalism, etc. But if you want things to get better you need to change and BE better.

[@mrvoice3436]

Imagine being so capitalistic that you claim global warming is just a communist hoax

[@filipandrejevic4427]

@DUDAH based

[@cwtrickshots4198]

Once matpat makes a theory, we just gotta let it grow.

[@iamaepicpersonlol557]

Rat

[@iamaepicpersonlol557]

I eat rats

[@iamaepicpersonlol557]

Disgusting rats

[@bree2303]

I would like this comment but it has 69 likes

[@stardust2841]

🤣🤣

[@Gracexqueen-te1hq]

I believe from the start that he was in a bad guy It was his families fault that he decided to cut down all the trees cause they forced him too and he just became addicted there fault Also love the intro

[@SilasOsterwalder-yx3tj]

I like how at the beginning there’s a very short “How Bad can I be”

[@Gilamath.]

See, this is the issue with The Lorax, though. MatPat is basically pointing out that the Onceler and O’Hare are selling luxury goods, so consumer spending is the only thing driving production. Fair enough. But, luxury goods aren’t the real-life polluters In real life, people without access to public transportation need cars. Car companies and oil businesses fight really really hard to prevent public transportation from reaching more people. In real life, people need to heat their homes. Energy companies fight to keep renewable energy from gaining any significant share in the energy market. And so on, and so on Sufficiently large corporations don’t merely serve the market; they define it. They get to smother competitors and resist innovation, even when competition shed innovation are vital

[@pikachubutdio5168]

Cool

[@notnigul39]

i see your point here, but we as consumers are ignorant, i have seen people gleefuly ignore climate change, refusing to research so i guess both are the bad guys here

[@honestlyiris274]

exactly, companies profit off of people's basic needs. when the options are to die or live and support an unethical company, there really is no option.

[@Jane_8319]

Precisely

[@r3b0x91]

The onceler has what is essentially a monopoly on Thneeds, if a rival were to come in and challenge his industry AND replenished resources, the Onceler would be done for. Large corporations can and do attempt to smother competitors but in the long run, more efficient forms of energy such as nuclear would win out because it is cleaner and most importantly CHEAPER for the consumer. It’s a large reason why China is still using coal energy when nuclear is better in every way, it’s a communist country with the consumers not defining the market whereas in places like the US where Nuclear energy accounts for nearly half of the total energy supply.

[@Mikeythemonkey.Official]

The thing about the once ler is that nobody knew he was cutting down the trees except for his family

[@trashgum630]

I know that we are the villains in this movie, but the real bad guy is the once-ler mom because she pushes her son to chopping down the trees so it's her fault not us

[@taliagmail.com2005]

Yes but she isn't responsible for his crimes

[@VLiuLiBGdWueQ]

The "Bottled air machines" are really just air purifiers. That's how the air got so clean there. Almost if not everyone has one. I thought really hard about this a while ago.

[@sunflower8227]

wait thats true

[@PJOZeus]

O’hare isn’t clearing the air out of the goodness of his heart, it’s just people are buying enough to pseudo purify the neighbourhood

[@BillyBob-qu1fs]

That makes sense. The jugs are just a part that doesn't actually need to be replaced except by design. Like a pressurized bottle that the machine slowly leaks out and stops working when the pressure runs out or something.

[@abr579]

Where in the world did he get it?

[@justamon2281]

Illumination: minions aren’t our fault. YOU people keep giving us money for them !

[@js66613]

'Tis true though. If we taught our children to appreciate more well-made things we wouldn't be dragged into watching things like the Minions and handing over money to a company that never cares to make things of better quality.

[@sunshinepurple1043]

DreamWorks stopped make faith based movies despite their resounding success. "The Prince of Egypt" for example. I don't know the numbers. What I DO know is the movie's legacy lives on despite the film being 20 years old. So is it the cinsumers fault or DreamWork's?

[@terra_the_nightingale135]

@@sunshinepurple1043 The Prince of Egypt is INCREDIBLE

[@yusha1059]

@Kei Leng Maximus Jacob DONG stinky

[@simeondawkins5671]

@Kei Leng Maximus Jacob DONG its cool to serve those who r evil as minions do

[@jessieherron-fw5cq]

The beginning 😂I Love The , how bad can I be, is absolutely glory's

[@LegoDarthVader3]

More evidence: In the song the once ler says: " Its The People With The Money Make This Ever Loving World Go Round " And One Line Later He Says: " So I'm Biggering my factory, company, and Corporate sound"

[@neshapink17]

Question: Where did all the Thneeds go? Even if they went out of style with how useful they are I'd think at least one person would keep it.

[@XxPeaceNinjaxX]

Well with as much use as they were getting, being the tool for ANY TASK EVER, they probably just got old and wore out. And since all the trees were gone they couldn't replace them. And its been probably about 60 years since they were invented, 40 since they stopped being manufactured so thats plenty of time for them to just be used up

[@Justaspacequeen]

And where did all the money go?

[@capturestudios9433]

Maybe ohare got rid of the thneeds to make sure no one cared about trees

[@abhik-skys4045]

@Nightcrawler bruh

[@groovychipmunk8819]

I mean it’s called theedville

[@tommy6therockstarhogan244]

Fun fact: If biggering actually existed, Oncler would've been a DEMON. He basically get's addicted to money and ACKNOWLEDGES he's destroying the forest and killing animals, but never stops

[@nayellirodarte1065]

Finally! Someone addresses "Biggering"!

[@tommy6therockstarhogan244]

@@nayellirodarte1065 wait wut I thought someone else by now would've mentioned it ONCE

[@dumbledoratheexplorer1252]

agreed. I listened to it too and it makes us see a different Once-ler and it would keep the story AT the point. rn the songs are just vibes keeping the movie up

[@MariaCampos-ye2ee]

@@dumbledoratheexplorer1252 yeah I agree the songs makes him like a true villian and he actually wanting to cut down the trees

[@ryanfleming927]

I wouldn’t exactly say it makes him a demon. I feel like the purpose of biggering was to show how someone with good intentions can become blinded by greed.