Film Theory: We're Watching Evil Morty's Origin Story! (Rick and Morty Season 5)

[@thebagelguy7898]

They actually reference the off screen Atlantis adventure, Rick mentions how he fornicated with a mermaid and Mr.Nimbus said “I knew it was you”

[@uhtredofbebbanburg9568]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/rIK9lqSnrdiJeKs :-$

[@reefroad7726]

I was just about to say the same thing although I don't think it doesn't debunk the whole thing

[@thebagelguy7898]

@@reefroad7726 everything else lines up too well for that this to be a debunker, it could be to make you think that this is C-137 rick

[@ODINsCheeZ]

He else was going to comment this but saw this comment

[@bshr1nk3yk1d]

Rick and morty is that kind show where unless they directly quote that was when they went to atlantis, you can't be sure they actually reference that exact adventure

[@spookywafflecat5508]

morty not being to a full week of school in “several years” because of ricks adventures, yet only being 14, implies that rick has been around for those years. which makes sense with the viewed memories from close rick counters of the rick kind because he would have seen this morty when he was younger.

[@TDOGGisawsome]

The young Morty in ricks memory are from his home universe, in the current universe he died when beth was young or left, and has since replaced himself

[@theMcWOPPER]

Does he say he's 14 in season 5?

[@juaniferritto3249]

@@theMcWOPPER yes. The scene even appears in this video

[@KaziKami]

Its called a figure of speech

[@BelowRock]

@@KaziKami yes, in the real world maybe so, however in this show each word a character says is deliberately chosen by the writing staff. They wouldn’t have morty say “in several years” unless it actually was several years so as to not mislead the audience

[@ChengTeoh]

I'm glad that I wasn't the only one to think that something was slightly amiss with the Rick & Morty we are seeing so far this year. I would be absolutely on board with this being Evil Morty's Origin story.

[@ohbiIly]

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[@Heisenburgeerr]

Hi verified guy nobody knows

[@WhoKnows-LIVERPOOR]

YESSSS finally this season has been so off I’m glad I wasn’t alone in thinking that 😫

[@taylormoravec]

same!! bc Jerry and Beth are different too

[@w1nterdays]

@@callistoarmy5576 stop this. This isn’t cool and it doesn’t work. Viewers don’t like this, creators don’t like this, no one does

[@weightlifting_socialist]

Instead of Mortys origin story, it was Ricks origin story this whole season.

[@OneTyler2Many]

False the whole season wasn't his origin story. You just see his origin story in a memory. Everything was current with flashbacks.

[@slevinchannel7589]

I've seen the newest Episode and i wanna say: 'Evil' is a funny word to use for Evil Morty. I mean, anyone here who remembers the End-Boss of the Show 'Supernatural'? If i remember correctly, this Morty-Breeding-Machine and the End-Bosses Obsession with a certain 2 Brothers is very, very, very similar. Entertainment-Obsession or Grandson-Obsession: Seems pretty similar to Me.

[@SmokingSexyStyle]

@@OneTyler2Many But this isn't Evil Morty's Story either I just explain the age process isn't aging but not being killed or being clone or replaced base on a specific time since our Morty Never died for 2+ years Meaning he should be 16 by now but the thing is he is still 14. Evil Morty also should be older since our Morty should be Younger but due to the fact it's a cartoon they don't age.

[@littlechungus4909]

@@SmokingSexyStyle They literally played the age thing as a joke its not that deep

[@SmokingSexyStyle]

@@littlechungus4909 But game theory is still wrong on this one. Our Morty would have betrayed Rick causing our Rick to die and him becoming Evil Morty. Plus it's just theory who cares

[@MrSenpaiTV]

8:35 the only loophole to your theory is that in Season 5 episode 3, as Planetina flies away from Morty’s house after Beth kicks her out, as she flies away, if you freeze frame it and zoom in to the top right of screen, we actually see the graves where Rick and Morty from C-132 were buried in the backyard. This was intentionally drawn there, which means, the Rick and Morty in season 5 are the ones from C-137 who are now in C-132, as confirmed by season 5 episode 3.

[@kfaughter4350]

Don't forget Mr nimbus references the ricklantis mixup

[@trueblueranger6]

In infinite universes though it is entirely possible that rick and morty have done that exact same thing in another existence, so maybe its a red herring?

[@jacobulewicz3297]

Also, after going back and looking at it, I only see one grave, and it honestly doesn’t even look that much like a grave

[@ladohn]

@@trueblueranger6 after seeing the clone episode you could be completely right

[@patrickmccarthy7658]

@@jacobulewicz3297 it probably got overgrown with time

[@loco_beezy]

Conspiracy theory: Every time there is a continuity error in the show it’s actually the episode switching to an alternate but very similar reality.

[@Slugcatsam]

in the episode with the planet lady thing, in the end, you can see Rick and Morty's graves. So that is probably following C-137. But with the decoys, it may not be?

[@loco_beezy]

@@Slugcatsam I’m just saying that no one said that couldn’t have happened to other Ricks or Mortys. Assuming that all Ricks have the capability to make the love potion and to dimension hop, it is possible the same situation could have happened to several Ricks and Mortys.

[@whatamistudio2557]

Good theory

[@abdulrahmansheikh3135]

Ok please anyone solve this what were the 2 Graves in the garden when planetina left morty's house which is covered by New Rockstars

[@abdulrahmansheikh3135]

Exactly. @HumanHere I have been asking thisss

[@zayatoon]

They DID address that Rick and Morty went to Altantis in the Mr Nimbus episode and fooled around with some hot mermaids! Mr Nimbus: "I KNEW that was you!" (That's my only contribution to this theory)

[@arinverma4168]

Now I have to rewatch to find matpat is right or I am because I think ep 1, 2 & 4 is showing our morty who is 16 and Rick is changing after that thing went with Beth and pp or bp and ep3 showing evil morty which is also shoutout to 4 th ep anime and mats Thory evil morty is his first morty and second morty is to counterbalance to evil morty as some morty refer to him true and mortiest morty plus I guess the ep 4 anime version of Rick is stick with his family instead of bailing them for 20 yrs

[@wellusee688]

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[@cmccorquodale2003]

That's a true statement

[@StixNCrits]

@SolarCaronte there are infinite Rick's and Mortys...the same could theoretically happen to another pair of Rick and Morty. Also...could be a narrative Red Herring.

[@arqueiroXD]

One thing that is important...we might have different episodes with different ricks and morties Like we saw on the ep with the doubles. We can't tell the difference...So it might happen that some eps are normal rick and morty and others are other versions of then.

[@kingofcherries4357]

This aged like a fine milk.

[@Nvmmmmmm1102]

Yep

[@soloshot115]

Yeparoni

[@shelly.618]

Like a warm milk

[@thetruth3068]

None of his prediction is ever correct. He should stick with "theory" not prediction, at least the creator don't bother to prove him wrong with a theory

[@mralabbad7]

Looks like it's just the new writers being, simply, bad

[@McGrewer]

The real cincher for this theory, is if it's revealed the Rick we're watching reminisces with this Morty about being around for his childhood, or something to that effect. 137 Morty didn't spend any time with his grandpa until the start of the show, but we also know 137 Rick did spend time with a Morty at a young age, specifically Evil Morty.

[@diegomedina9637]

I believe that line is exclusive to the pilot.

[@mobiusbelts3607]

Episode 7 completely debunks this theory.

[@mrpodo100]

So Rick leaves the season 5 morty for the normal one?

[@humanperson6372]

@@mobiusbelts3607 episode 7 isn’t even out

[@SYSTEM__32]

@@mobiusbelts3607 episode 4 just came out. So unless you are Ant Man & The Wasp, we don’t believe you. :P

[@trevorv87]

"Stop asking questions. Stop doing meta-commentary. Just have fun." - Fascist Morty

[@SamMcFrost]

@NEW he knew to much

[@TheDarknash]

"Find the insinuation that I can't ask questions and have fun condescending y...you find it condescending Jerry?" - Rick

[@benadryl_addict]

Such a wise fascist

[@beatrizvera-lopez8908]

To some people asking questions is fun if you dont want to look or see when people ask questions don't come on to a channel named film THEORY and complain that people are asking questions

[@tunixx740]

@@beatrizvera-lopez8908 IKR!! Lol

[@jonahdodd3920]

There's one giant flaw that disproves this entire theory -- in S5E1 with Mr. Nimbus, Rick says "I've already been to war with Atlantis when I D-Day'd that mermaid puss" which is a direct reference to C-137's trip to Atlantis, proving the Rick in S5E1 is Rick C-137.

[@אילןדרל]

Finally someone mentions it

[@bingusthecat8216]

Amd the fact in the planitina episode we can see the graves

[@couguard]

someone literally call rick c-137 in a season 5 episode.

[@marshallseldon4200]

@@bingusthecat8216 who's to say that other versions of rick and morty have done this too?

[@virginiafernandez6846]

I mean, Infinite Ricks means other ricks have probably been there, done that

[@theCrazyJohn]

Turns out the writers WERE just being inconsistent with the characters, and even all the smaller details like dates talked about in the theory. Every thing that mentioned has being "totally out of character" was random and without purpose.

[@knowledgeablebro6970]

Yep just old-fashion lazy writing Tho the season final slaps

[@williamgraystone3288]

@@knowledgeablebro6970 And also the 1st and 2nd episode, plus "A rickonvenient mort" and ep 8

[@mehoymenoy8841]

It's so confusing. Like did they just forget stuff? How did they let it get this sloppy? I guess the first 2.5 seasons were a fluke? I liked the season finale but aside from that, kinda feels like a wasted season to be honest. They did the "canon" stuff in such a way that just felt like a parent saying, "Fine, here is the thing you wanted now stfu about it." And it was done well enough, but felt unresolved.

[@crowman1795]

They are intentionally subverting your expectations of consistency and making fun of those tropes and the people who follow them religiously.

[@mehoymenoy8841]

@@crowman1795 That worked so great with Star Wars.

[@FirstNameLastName1162AD]

I think it’d be funny if the writers made a 2 hour long special that had lots of character growth, emotion, drama, and action only for the ending to cut to the house with the caption “Meanwhile in dimension C-131” revealing the entire thing took place in another universe and that the real Rick and Morty just sat around watching TV all day.

[@jinxthatsme2317]

I don’t need to imagine that. They’ve already done that with the season 3 premiere after Rick’s emotional arc from season 2.

[@benemerald]

Dimension C-132 is the one from the comics. The dimension we follow in the TV show is dimension C-131.

[@cairodavies4862]

@@benemerald c137 in the show

[@benemerald]

@Jackson It is. On the Rick and Morty wiki you can clearly see that there are four major dimensions. C-123 (Pocket Mortys), C-131 (Replacement Dimension in the show), C-132 (The Comics), and C-137 (Original Dimension in the show).

[@benemerald]

@@cairodavies4862 I know.

[@tysontrue5840]

Didn’t Rick tell Mr. Nimbus about his time in Atlantis and Mr.Nimbus responded by saying, “I knew that was you!” Wouldn’t this exchange prove we are still on the same timeline?

[@twoscarabsintheswarm9055]

Might just be a fake out.

[@1212345678989]

Yes. This video was sloppily made.

[@kingofrivia1248]

The thing is with infinity dimensions there are an infinite amount of rick that got that mermaid puss

[@TheNis240sx]

But also the Graves are present in the plantina episode

[@px43]

@@TheNis240sx It would be super funny if, in the "Morty Gets an Eyepatch" episode, they reveal something totally different buried, and that Rick and Nimbus were talking about something completely different. Probably not, but would be fun.

[@KingTemplarDragon]

Whoa hold on here Mat Pat. This Rick and Morty is in fact the ones that did go to Atlantis. In episode 1, right when negotiations fail with Mr Nimbus, Rick does mention being in Atlantis smashing mermaid's and Mr Nimbus responds "i knew that was you!". So it does appear to be 1 and the sane.

[@coreydweh7867]

i was looking for this comment🤝

[@sumaryp8963]

@@coreydweh7867 me too

[@coreydweh7867]

@@martinmaguire-music6692 i kinda would disprove it tho don’t you think? cause i doubt dan harmon would let there be a plot hole in the show

[@Mailliwoediv]

There's also the fact that the scene where planetina flies off crying, you can see the graves in the backyard

[@inspectorjavert9868]

I think we're just witnessing Morty becoming like a Rick is all

[@AwesomeBoysJPTV]

I'm Back. Sorry the theory was incorrect. It was the other way around, It was Rick's Origin Story

[@ninjajack6457]

“In 24 hours, someone will tie this broadcast to Evil Morty somehow” -Jelloapocalypse

[@michaelwalsh9404]

About the whole "morty still being 14" thing, I'm pretty sure the creators have said something about not having any birthday episodes as they want the characters to stay the same age, even if they have several Christmas episodes and such. Cartoon characters not aging isn't exactly anything new.

[@nickcopley606]

@Angry Combat Wombat go to ep3 and go to the frame of plantina leaving you can see the grave of c132

[@faithxanneproudofliam]

Exactly. I can't even think of a cartoon where the characters DO age lol

[@Oliver-fu1go]

@Angry Combat Wombat nah done all the time in simpsons acknowledging Progression of time and past events while no one actually ages.

[@Capelett]

@@Oliver-fu1go They mention events but I can't think of them ever mentioning time, in relation to episodes. Morty specifically hints at the first episode, and says it was "years ago." In the Simpsons, however, when events are mentioned, it's always events we haven't seen yet in order to tell a new story. As an example, in the first few seasons, when Marge and Homer are seen in their childhoods, they're in the 70s; but now-a-days, they apparently grew up in the 90s. I can't think of a time where anyone in the Simpsons or a show similar has specifically said "Remember when I did this thing a few years ago" in relation to another episode.

[@cbicommentbureauofinternet5290]

@@nickcopley606 true

[@SmokinBlunts781]

Morty being 14 still is a writers joke… in the story train episode, there’s a cut away with summer going to college and Rick is all emotional and says something like I never thought this day would come I thought you were going to be 17 forever

[@Kali-bs7oj]

Yeah, not to mention the fact that in that episode you can see Rick and morty’s graves is the backyard, tying it to our known dimension

[@vbarreiro]

@@Kali-bs7oj Though evil Rick is indeed stated to be closest to C-137 (and therefore, evil Morty and the universe itself would be too), it stands to reason that Evil Morty also cronenberged a world and successfully escaped to another dimension with his Rick It would also work as a clever misdirect from the writers because people would think exactly what you’re thinking

[@Kali-bs7oj]

@@vbarreiro hmmmm that’s interesting, though I must object. That super weird Rick is closer to C-137 Rick

[@thebloodyaussie1458]

It's probably similar to how in the Simpsons, despite years of Christmas specials, Bart and Lisa are still kids, Maggie's still a baby and Grandpa is still alive. It's just a gag about cartoon characters not ageing.

[@keyesstone]

I think we should also point out that space Beth appears too. I think we knew that C-137 Rick created her.

[@demha7783]

Well, this was obviously disproved by the last few episodes of season 5 but I think that the theory still holds some merit to it. Instead of it being "Evil" Morty's backstory, it may just be how over time Morty C-137 becomes "Evil" Morty as is hinted by Evil Morty when he says that all of us are Evil Morty once we get sick of Rick. We've witnessed our Morty getting smarter and going on more solo adventures, as well as how he is getting increasingly aggressive and emotionally unstable, also realising that Rick doesn't care for him at all and would abandon/replace him without a second thought. The entire season seems to present the idea of how Evil Morty is just like all the other Mortys, but just wanted to break the cycle. Perhaps the box of "time travel stuff" could play a part soon too.

[@gela-sj7uk]

Interesting opinion

[@callmealex69]

It's likely the lack of interest in time travel by Rick is due to his apparent creation of the central finite curve.

[@Tristan02539]

I just wanna say there is no C-137 Morty. C-137 Beth was killed along with Diane.

[@Veeti1245]

Yeah i think this too

[@fresch4395]

@@Tristan02539 makes no sense. Why would c-137 Rick start this government without decoy and some other Rick came with his grandson and then the rickiest rick clones that grandson? Also in the finite curve are only universes where rick is the smartest and every rick needs a morty. The OG rick would have to be the one who came up with morty

[@samanthacarpenter3336]

Jessica also acted like she’d never been on a date with Morty before, or met Rick previously. Which she has?

[@yocharlysurf]

i was thinking the same thing. like in the toxins episode, rick’s apparently close enough with her to have her number.

[@merdas9058]

Well Rick could have erased her memories because he was embarrassed

[@StevenCoxAI]

@@yocharlysurf Wasn't that the episode where they ended up changing dimensions and replacing the other Rick and Morty that died though? It might be the same Rick but it's a different Jessica.

[@yocharlysurf]

@@merdas9058 true, but i feel like if any minor inconvenience or plot hole can be explained away like that then its poor writing. bc then what’s the point? and rick is definitely a bit more out of character this season among other things like how often have we heard him call morty ‘kiddo’? or be cordial enough to ask how is saturday is going..? he usually just doesn’t care. i think it at least hints that something is different for a show as baseless as family guy can be, you still don’t randomly see peter being friendly to meg unless there’s something going on, or unless the plot revolves around a break from his character like when she almost drowns and he becomes super obsessive over her.

[@geniusgamer3840]

@@Lucidbkeo Even if it did, the new universe is identical up to the swap

[@tparr7268]

It may just be to put people off the scent, but Rick specifically references the Atlantis adventure to which Mr. Nimbus responds, "I knew that was you"

[@Jacobmelrose26]

Yeah but whos to say that our new Rick and Morty didn't also visit Atlantis at one point? If thats really whats going on anyway. I myself am convinced they arent C-137.

[@psalm302]

Yeah

[@JustSomeGuyWithInfinity]

@@Jacobmelrose26 well Rick is C-137 in episode 4 and 7 he’s referred to as C-137 but maybe that Rick just is not the morty or maybe our morty isn’t c137 morty

[@Jacobmelrose26]

@@JustSomeGuyWithInfinity I guess I must have missed where he was referred to a c-137 in episode 4. Guess I'll have to rewatch it.

[@NationX]

@@Jacobmelrose26 just watched the latest episode. Rick was explicitly referred to as C-137 Rick by one of the other Ricks, which basically throws this theory out the window, unfortunately 😒 Was genuinely hoping that this theory was true but I guess the creators have something else in store Edit: Actually no, this theory could still be true. Though at the very least it’s confirmed that episode 5 (and therefore by proxy, episode 4) are C-137 Rick.

[@kikodekliko1209]

What about Summer saying "protect Summer" to the car in order to try to unlock it? And Morty asking "Why are all old guys so jacked"? How can alternate Morty and Summers know about canonical stories?

[@maksidimitrov1172]

Because the chances of Evil Morty and our Morty to have experienced nearly the same things are pretty big. Plus even if they haven't, he doesn't explecitly reference the ticket guy, Morty might be talking about a completely different old buffed dude

[@spacecowboy2431]

Season 5 episode 5 completely destroys this theory. Summer references the events of S2 Ep6 which is after evil morty’s first appearance.

[@nigmoment7240]

In the leaked episode 7, this rick is called C137, so this whole theory is bust

[@tolgasar9638]

Theory ıs not cover all seasson. This show is episodic and some episodes about the Evil morty like plenitina episodes, other one about the C-137 or anyone else. İn decoy episode, do you know which universe is that?

[@swerzye4472]

Because it’s a bad theory lol

[@karsonkelley6002]

Well now we know the Rick and Morty we’ve been watching is C-137, some I’m curious to see how the continuity errors will be explained. This would’ve made a lot of sense before the finale. I’m thinking the last 2 episodes could’ve been our Rick and Morty, and maybe the first 8 episodes of the season are a different Rick and Morty? Not sure, hope season 6 explains all.

[@slevinchannel7589]

I've seen the newest Episode and i wanna say: 'Evil' is a funny word to use for Evil Morty. I mean, anyone here who remembers the End-Boss of the Show 'Supernatural'? If i remember correctly, this Morty-Breeding-Machine and the End-Bosses Obsession with a certain 2 Brothers is very, very, very similar. Entertainment-Obsession or Grandson-Obsession: Seems pretty similar to Me.

[@karsonkelley6002]

@@slevinchannel7589 I’m not quite sure that evil Morty is necessarily “evil”. Although I think the idea of anything being evil is silly, I believe evil Morty had good intentions. It just happens that Rick didn’t like those intentions. At that point you have to ask, do the means justify the end? I guess we will see once the implications of the curve being destroyed is revealed. I’m very excited to say the least!

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@karsonkelley6002 I'd say: That breeding-program of the Citadel was 'evil beyond evil' and 'terrifying beyond what 'Satan' of many Worlds and Games and Books has ever planned. I'd say its just like 'Chuck' from 'Supernatural' and there he was; guess what; the END BOSS. Stopping a Multi-verse-level Evil is kinda badass and heroic, if you ask me. Yeah, he could definetly have singeled out the 'good' Mortys and Ricks, but oh well. Still pretty impressive what he managed to do.

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@karsonkelley6002 In a world with Rick Sanchez (even a trillion of him...): Yeah, its objectively and obviously fact that the End justifys the means...

[@girum5888]

Nah ep 8 is connected to the previous season and that ep some of bird person memories connected with Rick's flash back in ep 10 and it would make sense ep 1-7 being a different dimension rick and morty

[@flamefierce998]

"Morty can't be 14 now after 4 season" Ash Ketchum: Yes

[@aidanhughes5664]

@@thumpdragfilms 10 years old for 33 years, seems logical to me.

[@zombifiedoll1388]

@@thumpdragfilms The problem with a simpsons example is that the show uses a floating timeline and is almost entirely episodic

[@flamefierce998]

@@thumpdragfilms Simpsons: Reality can be whatever I want

[@saidaabdille8603]

Ash is like 20 still sleeping in the same room with little girls

[@flamefierce998]

@@saidaabdille8603 Ash caught a Noctowl in the Johto Region with the move Hypnosis could this mean?

[@evo2542]

Rick contradicts himself all the time. He just says what he needs to say in the moment to continue doing whatever he wanted to do. There are already been instances of him trying to connect with someone in a loving way. Like that hivemind episode.

[@Wandering_soul111]

I think we're witnessing a dimension with a big plot twist and evil morty doesn't sound that far fetched if look at the wedding squanchers episode and how they revealed Tammy was a secret agent sent from the galactic federation! I think this may be another one of those big twists that it were being joshed with and it ends up being it was meant to be believed to be something it wasn't who knows only the finale will tell!

[@Jenazad.]

"Why the 2010 glasses?" Well... It would be in a bad taste to celebrate 2020, wouldn't it?

[@DandyZero]

I just assumed it was 2010 on the planet they were going to

[@mycoffeequest6634]

I think the issue is implying or otherwise assuming that Evil Morty is so special to begin with. I'm saying this because in the season 5 finale, Evil Morty implies that all Mortys in the Rickverse eventually become evil when they learn the truth behind their existence: "If you've ever been sick of him [Rick], then you've been evil too. There you go kid. Now you're Evil Morty. Sooner or later, we all are...on this side of the curve." So what that says to me is that the only reason they have yet to become evil is because they don't know about the Central Finite Curve. What that further implies is that Evil Morty was the first one to understand this and that's why he's so unlike his counterparts. He isn't special, he just beat the rest of the Mortys to the punch. Since Evil Morty needed C-137's memories specifically to access the other side of the Multiverse, that implies that our Rick is the only living Rick that knows about the Curve. So what does that suggest? This itself might be a nod to Evil Morty's true origin story because if our Rick was the only one left who knew about the Curve, then how did Evil Morty know about it to begin with? Although it's true that the Ricks on the Council of Ricks knew about the Curve too since they helped to build the citadel, I don't think they're connected to Evil Morty and they probably never told their own Mortys about what they knew (assuming they had one or still have one). I also believe that C-137 killed the Ricks on the Council BEFORE Evil Morty could access their memories. So my theory is that after our Rick's family died, the family that he slipped into belonged to Evil Morty, the version of Rick's family that he never got to have. He raised Evil Morty to be like himself and perhaps he shared the knowledge of the Central Finite Curve with that version of his grandson. Otherwise, how would he know unless Evil Morty found out about the Curve when he scanned C-137's memories all the way back when they first introduced Evil Rick. But I don't think that's the case because Evil Morty even says to C-137 "You can't escape your past Rick", which suggests to me that the two know each other (then again, he did read most of Rick's memories after their first encounter way back with Evil Rick, so maybe not -- it could just be a taunt and nothing more). At the end of "Close Rick-Counters of the Rick Kind", Rick says something ominous to his Morty to the effect of "don't become too smart for your own good", further casting suspicion (in my opinion) that C-137 had something to do with Evil Morty's backstory involving the Central Finite Curve. That knowledge probably broke Evil Morty and transformed him into an evil version of Rick's grandson. Perhaps this is why our Rick is so reluctant to share anything about what he knows with our Morty to prevent the same outcome from repeating itself. Perhaps Evil Morty and C-137 had a falling out, so that Morty slipped into another Rick's life (Evil Rick) and began his quest to free himself from the Rickverse while our Rick simply found another family. If you're looking for an origin story, I'd say that this is likely the case. The only other possibility I can think of is the theory going around that the reason why C-137 never found the Rick that killed his family is because that Rick somehow escaped to the other side of the Multiverse and THAT is how Evil Morty knew about the curve. Perhaps that Rick is his true Rick and not C-137 after all. But honestly, there are so many unknowns to Evil Morty's backstory specifically that pretty much anything goes at this point. The only thing we know for certain is that he isn't Rick's original grandson since that Morty never got the chance to be born in the first place. Everything else is a tossup.

[@arejay7243]

nice theory bro really well put i agree completely

[@chim8939]

But didn't evil Morty create evil Rick?

[@mycoffeequest6634]

@@chim8939 In a sense, yes. The Rick he was controlling was organic with implanted cybernetics, so before Evil Morty used him as a puppet, that Rick was likely autonomous and living his own life in much the same way as his infinite versions. If Rick C-137 and Evil Morty had a falling out, and that Morty slipped into another Rick's life, perhaps he did so with the intention of controlling that Rick to draw his plans against escaping the Rickverse. To do that, Evil Morty needed to lure C-137 using Evil Rick to scan his memories for what he was looking for, and that was what the Central Finite Curve was and where to find it. The only thing he didn't get was how to bring it down and access the other side of the Multiverse. That's why he had to lure C-137 for a second time. But back when Evil Rick was around, the other people that knew about the Central Finite Curve was the Council of Ricks, NONE of whom Evil Morty tried to lure into a trap. He only tried to lure in C-137, the Rickest of the Ricks. Why take such a chance? Such a risk? Why not go after the lesser Ricks? It implies that as far as Evil Morty knew, only C-137 knew what the Central Finite Curve was, where it could be found and how he could escape. Which means, in all likelihood, he found out about it through C-137 himself, thereby suggesting that they have history. EDIT: I was just thinking that he can't be Evil Rick's original grandson either because not even most Ricks know about the CFC. Unless C-137 just came by one day and dropped that bombshell, but what would the reason be? I find that alternative to be less likely.

[@kooshyarqz]

When the comment is better than the video:

[@ShaggyDabbyDank]

The easiest and most simple connection from Rick to Evil Morty is the one memory that Rick has involving picking up a Baby Morty. Evil Morty was definitely part of the first family Rick slipped into, and Rick slipped in from near the beginning of Beth and Jerry's marriage in that universe. Evil Morty grew up around Rick, he had way more time than any regular Morty to adjust to Rick.

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

"How confusing will the entire Rick and Morty timeline be?" "Yes"

[@callistoarmy5576]

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[@noniluke]

Fnaf of film theory in the making

[@UltraXPGaming]

The timeline has always been confusing

[@cheshirewolf1574]

We're back to the fnaf timeline blender

[@Solo-lf2eh]

@@callistoarmy5576 lol no

[@KiefferPlant]

Didn't Rick tell Nimbus he screwed some mermaids and Nimbus yelled "I knew that was you!". Showing that Nimbus did not fully know Rick and Morty went to Atlantis.

[@liammckinley2976]

Yeah he said he d dayed that mermaid

[@matsw6863]

yeah its something he glanced over i guess maybe he didnt fully watch the episode

[@kawaiiqueee]

Another thing he overlooked: you can see their graves from Episode 3 when Planet-Tina leaves Morty after the breakup 🤔

[@zurielbabida8162]

Thats still a continuity error. Nimbus should have known they were there the moment Rick touched the ocean

[@beetlebob4675]

@@kawaiiqueee That still could have been something Evil Morty experienced, though. With multiverse theory, some can be extremely similar to others, with only small differences.

[@Mr_Top_Hat_Jones]

Goddamnit, if this is actually right I’m gonna wish I hadn’t seen this.

[@acrj-alfasaus4825]

dont worry, its not

[@ArcaneFuror]

Even if he was right, it wouldn't be the first time that fan theories got too close for the writer's liking so they change it up just to still have the 'gotcha'. (Just talking media in general not just r&m)

[@thetwinsnakes6790]

@@acrj-alfasaus4825 I’ll remember this

[@bruhm0ment6000]

@Taco Turtle1313 you should've been more aware

[@dreamreality6746]

It is not, season 5 finale got leaked last week

[@TheMisterthoms]

Looks like instead the Morty we’ve grown to love is indeed The One True Morty. And he will help protect Rick’s cover when they go after the Rick that killed our Rick’s family.

[@MrZetherath]

Well evil morty in my opinion is the one true Morty. Because he's the one who actually managed to escape the curve. He's the only free Morty.

[@slevinchannel7589]

I've seen the newest Episode and i wanna say: 'Evil' is a funny word to use for Evil Morty. I mean, anyone here who remembers the End-Boss of the Show 'Supernatural'? If i remember correctly, this Morty-Breeding-Machine and the End-Bosses Obsession with a certain 2 Brothers is very, very, very similar. Entertainment-Obsession or Grandson-Obsession: Seems pretty similar to Me.

[@Layzee262]

i can debunk this. In the official rick and morty mobile game pocket mortys, if you find the one true morty, you can see that he is from dimension c-568 while the one in the show is from c-137. this is proven as hints of the main story in the tv show are hidden in there, and since there are infinite realities in rick and morty, pocket mortys is considered canon. while we dont know what rick we follow in pocket mortys.

[@Felix-gm9im]

@Sam that's because Rick and Morty was intended to be a filler based show, like SpongeBob.

[@whytie57]

People make this theory EVERY SEASON, I have given up on it. That being said, the 2 Christmas’ throughout the show is something I had being paying attention to for a while, and I too was confused when Beth said he was 14, but I wrote it off as an Ash Ketchum thing.

[@juiceoverflow]

The creators of the show have stated that they don’t intend on aging up the characters

[@slavicmalchik]

well i guess this one is definatly what people were waiting for. Because why WOULD morty be so pissed and so in control with weapons when we saw in other stuff he was not?

[@Lana-tp7iu]

True, and I feel like this theory is a little too... predictable? Especially for this show and the writers. I have no doubt Evil Morty will come back but I don't think it will be like this. Also, I personally saw Rick's "acting out of character" as character development after his introspective thoughts at the end of season 4 and really confronting himself about how he is a bad father and friend. As for Morty, I don't think he was acting more immature in e3. His meltdown was pretty called for honestly and he's acting more confident and capable this season which makes sense given the events he went through since season one (me assuming it's still c-137 Morty). ALSO, in e5, we see a glimpse graves Rick and Morty dug for themselves in s1 leading me to believe also it is the same characters we were following.

[@jw4215]

I can explain the 2 Christmas’ and its not that deep. It just so happened that 2 seasons had schedules that had episodes in December

[@slavicmalchik]

So that means...RUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB

[@AmondoDazz]

*Justin Roiland and Dan Harmon watch video. Crosses off possibility* "Welp, can't use that anymore."

[@erickallstrom4963]

i know this is a joke, but all of the episodes for any animated show are either completely done or pretty much done, before the first episode of the season comes out, just because of how long the animation process takes

[@yourfriendlyneighbourhoods8202]

@@erickallstrom4963 they’ve still got another 5 seasons to make, who said that they would’ve made that reveal this season? There’s still plenty of time to change things if they want to

[@ezekiel-aspect]

@Zu SuStop Self Promotinf Stop Self Promoting Stop Self Promoting Stop Self Promoting cause ur nobody

[@bouncyknight4017]

@@erickallstrom4963 animated shows often have mid season breaks (example: season 4) because they need more time to finish episodes, so your not completely correct

[@ivorydeluxe1672]

Well if anyone does that *Ahem* Game of Thrones writers I'm looking at you.. but just because someone predicted where the story could be going changing it in the name of subverting expectations is dumb and always turns out the for worst

[@wtfkyle]

Not sure this theory is 100% true, but it's gotta be close. I keep noticing this season how Rick is constantly getting saved from death (Mr. Nimbus saves him, in Ep 8 he gets saved a couple times inside Bird Person). Just weird that the alleged Rickest Rick keeps getting bailed out.

[@prodjvenchy]

Yoooo kyle

[@wolfie819]

Except in ep8, the Rick is our c137 or Rickest Rick. Maybe that was the only true episode and everything else was a parallel alternate Rick and Morty ?

[@atdyeam1605]

I think given the huge reveal in ep8 about rick's 'dead daughter' that this could defs be all about the evil Morty. Seen some other theories about it too.

[@Comuniity_]

What's crazy is that episode basically confirmed that ricks back story in s3 isn't a complete lie, his original Beth and Diane died long before morty was born and that's what made him the way he is

[@wolfie819]

@@zawruh but the episode did start with him trying to put together Birdperson so we know for sure this is current day Rick (after the events of Season 4). We also know that everything said to him by Past Rick (35 yr old memory Rick) is true becaue that is NOT Rick's memory but the objective memory of a figure independent from Rick and his variants, the memory of the Birdperson that rejected young Rick's offer to travel the multiverse, aka, the original Birdperson. So this is why this episode is important : it establishes canon background (while using Birdperson's objective memory) as a framing device.

[@guyinachair9349]

(SPOILERS). You were right (KINDA) it is his origin story. When evil morty is explaining his reason that he’s evil he says he’s evil because he’s sick of Rick which is something you see happening through out the show.

[@abnormallynormal8823]

He also says “if you’ve ever disagreed with Rick, you’re an evil Morty too” Who says there’s only one evil morty

[@matricepeinard7879]

About continuity shifts, we also got a lot if Beth being a horse surgeon despite the galactic confédération making horse "healthy forever". That's odd to say the least

[@JojoTheVulture]

Then her work is fake and its just pretend.

[@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868]

Wait but the only things we've seen her do are related to horses giving birth, nothing about them being unhealthy (also even if they're always healthy, they could still be injured)

[@skunkjo3195]

The galactic Federation doesn't rule earth anymore tho. Whatever they were doing to keep horses healthy was probably in pill form that left when they collapsed

[@theenigma2861]

That and the fact that we haven't heard much about the job since then until S5

[@matricepeinard7879]

@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 good point

[@azultarmizi]

also, Rick does not have his signature drool in most of these

[@alfieseta]

Tho there’s a theory that Rick C-137 is evil mortys original Rick

[@zazo1625]

Yea could mean he became an alcoholic after this morty turned evil

[@numberpi5473]

Understand your point but on this very video the "Rickest Rick" mentions being the Rickest Rick and HE doesn't have the signature drool.

[@rifter0x0000]

He doesn't drink from the flask in those episodes, either. One of the theories about the flask was that it contains mega seed juice, as mega seeds create the same drool and mess with other things. They really are seeding the field for nitpicking theorists :)

[@rifter0x0000]

@@numberpi5473 Almost every decoy believed themselves to be the Rickest Rick though. We also know Rick clones exist and some method is in place to transfer his memories to a new body.

[@melvinymmtopmtmkcmb19]

imagine the "epic cannon" was jus background on ricks car

[@anthonyhu6705]

Goddamn this whole theory was so good that I just assumed it was true throughout the season and I kinda got let down when it wasn't :(

[@kevinsramirezlamas1160]

The final episode was still really good tho!

[@thomassmith3499]

In episode 5 the spaceship and Summer talk about “keep summer safe”.

[@yassak2]

And also you can see behind the house in the yard there are 2 bumps , their counterparts' graves from season 1

[@cbicommentbureauofinternet5290]

@@yassak2 also In leaked episode 7 He is called Rick c137

[@yassak2]

@@cbicommentbureauofinternet5290 didn't watch that yet but same conclusion :/

[@cbicommentbureauofinternet5290]

@@yassak2 don't even need to watch episodes 7 to find out that it's Rick c137 We have already seen deadbodies burried in the planetina episode

[@anto11811]

Evil Morty does hide cables underneath his eye in s1 ep10. Could it be that evil mortys family are decoys made by our Rick, but he somehow found out and seeks revenge? The decoy houses are exact copies of the real ones, so the Graves would be there

[@Xaeyneah]

I can imagine at the end of the season mortys everyone is dead, including Rick (who he probably killed) then the camera just pans over to ricks corpse on a table and blueprints for the robot Rick and eyepatch as the one song that plays at the end of every evil morty episode just plays in the backround

[@longclaw3585]

“Rick won’t let himself fall in love” yeah, let’s just forget about unity

[@wellusee688]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/fomrdZ2llrWjabM....

[@schmungler]

unity was lust

[@misstressfoxtail05]

@@schmungler No Unity was love he tried to disguise as lust. If it was just lust he wouldn't have tried to off himself at the end of that episode.

[@meyomix2816]

@@schmungler if it wasnt love why would he try to killhimself when she dumped him

[@cattledogandstaffy]

@@meyomix2816 *they, Unity has no gender ;P

[@puckerbutton7025]

0:10 finally somebody else says it well madonna also said it as well "tell me love isnt true, its just something that we do"

[@spacemanproletariat4279]

Rick wasn't actually in love with that alien, he was just attracted to her elbows lmao

[@xavierxrc]

@Shubham Rawat Yeah, and he got over that horse lady real quick after the baby was born

[@milire2668]

@@xavierxrc hrrrrrricko

[@Bcf0]

This may be going onto the list of theories that could actually be true

[@wellusee688]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/fomrdZ2llrWjabM....

[@LordOfFlies]

Thats a short list

[@AMERICAN_PITBULL_TERRIER]

NOW IT MAKES SENSE I KNEW RICK WAS DOFFERENT

[@Humblemumble7]

Nah

[@crimson5pider]

But won't be because they have a tendency to reject theories

[@jakehanson384]

GG, looks like it really was just mismatches in the plot done by new writers XD

[@watersharky7589]

While it’s true what happens at 5:47 in that episode is weird near the end of it rick says he will destroy Atlantis like he destroyed “that mermaid puss” meaning that the events of that episode in 5:47 should happen before mr nimbus and not after

[@Zeiss120]

Was looking for this comment.

[@amitdrgonlilox8633]

"there is no way morty is a 14 year old in the start of season 1 and still in season 5" meanwhile ash ketchum, being ten years old for more than 20 seasons

[@Callaghan552]

Meanwhile Bart Simpson, being ten years old for 34 years.

[@hobbes4011]

Both of those shows sit in arrested time though, much like a comic book. Everything takes place "now" and anything that happened prior happens in the year appropriate relative to the current one. Rick and Morty advances the time line much like a lot of modern live action shows. The comparison doesn't work.

[@manuelreboledo8091]

RIck and morty is not the same thing as pokemon or The Simpsons...

[@kennithschjoth2024]

Ash saw Ho-Oh at the end of the pilot episode. After seeing this pokemon, your guaranteed eternal happiness or whatever, which is why ash never ages, his happiness is being on an endless childhood adventure in an exciting world of pokemon. GIVE US THE CANNON

[@BlackCover95]

@@manuelreboledo8091 Granted, but the Floating Timeline still applies to all three.

[@tevinpillay1303]

Theory: Remember the anime style youtube special. The theory Matpat made said that season 5 will show morty will turn into Rick. I think this is right. But I think it is a figuritive change. I think Morty will become characteristicly more like Rick with (his heartbreak, mass murder and most likely further events in the season) and not like evil Morty. Hey, but that's just a theory.

[@wellusee688]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/fomrdZ2llrWjabM....

[@jasongeorgiou4620]

A COMMENT THEORY

[@richardbirch2544]

@@jasongeorgiou4620 ANNDDDD CUT!

[@shubhamraj25]

But hey,*

[@abdullahamr9941]

tbh this is better and makes sense then the video

[@mathiascroqvist4719]

one thing i noticed as to why planetina doesn't feel bad about killing people is that she's missing the one most important element of all. "Heart" She's literally a captain planet rip off with out the element of Heart to help ground her to loving all creatures of the world.

[@yrdyekcy2709]

That's cool thought. I wondered why they didn't add Heart, well it was lame power in cartoon, but with what you said it make sense.

[@TheDarkCatYT]

I had a feeling matpat would be calling this the origin story

[@Steven-dd4hm]

Something interesting is that there're already 4 episodes and they haven't used the portal pistol at all

[@annayiraa6359]

I TOTALLY FORGOT UR RIGHT THEY HAVEN’T

[@diegomedina9637]

Episode 7, the portal guy is used and its a semi sequel to episode 4 while also referencing alot of stuff from the past.

[@TheNoodleGamer]

episode 5 cold open features the portal gun

[@CrucialSpitsBars]

The used it in episode 1 when they went to that narnia place

[@lyupowerx6796]

@@CrucialSpitsBars But it's a different one than the one we're used to see

[@carpeimodiem]

While I absolutely LOVE this theory, here are some unfortunate holes... 1. In the next episode's opener posted by Adult Swim, Summer and Morty are left home alone. Before Beth leaves she warns them not to teleport the house, like they did in the season one finale. Which was the episode immediately AFTER the Ricklantis Mixup, where we meet Evil Morty. And... 2. When the C137 boys went to Atlantis, after returning at the end of the episode, they were talking about/celebrating the "mermaid puss". And in the season 5 opener, they reference this at the end when Rick admits to Nimbus that they did just that, as a prior violation of the treaty. So unless there's some kind of time travel involved, it's not evil Morty. But I totally agree with you about the odd writing this season. I also hope it's a set up for something.

[@detective_mitch_conner]

In the episode Rick potion #9 everything about c132 was the exact same as c137 except that Rick and Morty died. Just because they reference something from past seasons in season five means nothing. It could literally be the exact same 'version' of everything but with a few minor changes. I'm not saying that's the case, just illustrating a possibility.

[@homosexualitymydearwatson4109]

@@detective_mitch_conner this, it could be an intentional red herring

[@carpeimodiem]

@@detective_mitch_conner of course it could be someone other than c137. There could be an infinite amount of Morty's who accidentally teleported their house during the party. My point is those events happened AFTER the debut of evil Morty. So again, unless there's some time travel involved (which there could be), we aren't watching his back story.

[@detective_mitch_conner]

@@carpeimodiem in Rick potion #9 after Rick cronenberged the planet, they travelled to another identical universe (save for Rick and Morty dying in the garage) c132 that wasn't temporally synced with c137. You could argue symantics and call it time travel if you want (it isn't).

[@carpeimodiem]

@@detective_mitch_conner what? No. That was the version where Rick actually cured everyone. Then went back to home and resumed working in the garage, accidentally blowing themselves up. There's no time travel involved.

[@thedezzmoshow8197]

Waiting for the follow up, cause the Season 5 finale was even crazier than this theory

[@gablogabgalapgablogabgalap7192]

When planetina was outside morty’s window you can see the uneven grass from when they buried themselves so we know that at least that episode was c137 Rick and Morty

[@TyWillCFC]

Yeah tbh i think that debunks loads of this theory. Issa cool theory but yeah

[@derekderek7033]

I can't see it

[@derekderek7033]

Crap I see it now. Oh no. I liked matpat's theory, though. Maybe the bump is a red herring?? Hopefully..

[@MikeGlasses]

If there’s infinite realitys, then there’s some reality’s, where rick and morty left they’re own dimension and had to bury the rick and morty from that dimension. (Rick even says we only get to do this 5 maybe 6 time more, when they first transfer to a new dimension)

[@michelelandolfi1572]

Beside that, in the last episode they introduced themselves as rick and morty c-137

[@junaidshahzad6803]

There’s a mistake. You used the example of how Rick and Morty went on a mermaid adventure in season 3 as proof that this season is not in chronological order, but the Mr. Nimbus episode does reference that moment

[@mikeparry1233]

So glad you said it I thought I was the only one who noticed

[@argentechgames]

Yea I thought that too

[@lightingmcqueen522]

@Miguel Messina I think he just didn’t care

[@Master_Conner]

In the episode that came out last night summer does a throwback to the “keep summer safe” episode. Edit: It was just confirmed that the first episode of the season was evil Morty‘s origin story but the rest was not.

[@goldengrace5208]

yep, theory disproven :(

[@FancyNeon]

And in the Voltron episode it was confirmed that we're watching C137

[@borutosdad5550]

I think that might have been a adventure that happens in both time lines like mantis apocalypse ep .maybe this is Morty with c113 (we know that he is not c113 Morty and c113rick replaced his rick)in a timeline where c113 rick didn't replace him

[@borutosdad5550]

also notice that evil Morty was no where to be scene in S4, I know I'm over theorizing but I really think that this will be very cool and if it's actually wrong then it's still just a theory

[@donkfail1]

They used the portal gun to travel to and from Atlantis. So even if it is located in an ocean on Earth, we can assume they travelled to Atlantis in a dimension where there is no Mr. Nimbus.

[@jenswrld999]

i think it’s the same atlantis because rick mentioned doing stuff with mermaids and mr. nimbus said “i KNEW that was you…” so it has to be the same atlantis on earth right?

[@donkfail1]

@@jenswrld999 You're right. Perhaps the deal is it's just the surface he can't touch? No that's silly. But at least that proves that Mr. Nimbus didn't catch him in the act that time or had proof, that's why they got away with it. But why would Rick even risk it? In the later episode he acted like confronting Nimbus should be avoided at all cost.

[@jenswrld999]

@@donkfail1 maybe rick and morty went to atlantis, messed things up, and had to make a deal with mr. nimbus to never come back ?? but that wouldn’t make sense because morty didn’t recognize him 🤔 or the deal was made when morty wasn’t around idk 😪

[@donkfail1]

@@jenswrld999 Perhaps. But the real Mr. Nimbus question is: How is the relationship with Beth and Jerry going? Or was it just a one time thing?

[@user-lr8ow2jg4e]

@@jenswrld999 The could have made a device that made them invisible to them.

[@evilmrdracula]

Morty, becoming evil morty has crossed my mind a few times before, morty probably will fall out with rick, then somehow hold a grudge on rick

[@EEEEEEEE]

‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎E‎

[@nnzzj]

He kinda already has, from whta we've seen Morty kinda stopped hanging out with rick unless Morty fucked up in some way and needs Ricks help

[@nnzzj]

And yeah in the Planentina episode Morty abounded Rick so he can be frisky with Planentina

[@lianives3594]

Obviously something’s off when jerry is finally useful

[@BDRmongoose]

um.....last episode of season 4?

[@adolphgracius9996]

"it was painfully to watch, which gave me pleasure, which is good so it gave me pain... which is painfull so it gave me more pleasure ", if you get what I mean 🤣🤣🤣

[@sumkid702]

When was he useful ?

[@filxie]

@@sumkid702 when he was pouring the president his water

[@sanscipher435]

@@sumkid702 Last ep of season 4, controlled Tammy's (bird person's evil "wife") corpse to save the family

[@myles7344]

"A cocky Morty, can lead to some big problems" - Rick

[@carlosmorales7761]

I was thinking the same think, i remember when Rick says "it can be a really bad thing for everybody, ill explain when you get older", i think maybe, but just maybe, the missing Rick for Evil Morty, is the same Rick we have seen all seasons, which would explain the memories of baby morty the Rick has (because we know by Beth's mouth that Rick wasn't in their childhood), and would also explain "who gave the information of Evil Morty to the Morty fired, also that he didn't killed him himself instead, because he loves him, would be cool if theres a plot twist like that

[@CommissarChaotic]

Rickdickulous theory

[@dg9444]

5:43 In the episode where they go to Atlantis they go through a portal. They could have been in an Atlantis where mr nimbus doesn’t exist or is fine with Rick.

[@wafflemutt6281]

Like when people guessed the twist with Gravity Falls. This fits.

[@Chaotic_H3LL]

Yeah this theory is very sloppy and based on ignoring a crap load of evidence that disproves it

[@johnjohnson9431]

@@Chaotic_H3LL like what

[@crowman1795]

@@johnjohnson9431 like the encounter with darion joe in ep2.

[@gorgit]

@@crowman1795 whos darion joe?

[@PatPatych]

@@gorgit JOE MAMA

[@BrunoDuprat]

YES YES YESSSSSS, please be THIS and not bad writing!

[@tahafawzy6798]

nope just a baaaaaaad writing

[@Frank-wr2nf]

People can’t cope when their franchise changes direction in a way they couldn’t expect. Rather than it simply being purposeful and the way the creators want it, characters changing and building up to something in-universe, there has to be quick and lame explanations that would resolve their dissonance. There’s this theory, there’s the “decoy family,” one, “alternate dimension family,” and then there’s the idea that the show runners don’t care or are incompetent/bad writers (the same writers they used to praise, who got them obsessed enough with the show to be deducing fan theories in the first place). A twist like that isn’t exciting imo, that would be like if the whole season was all Morty’s dream. Much cooler to see the show actually change over time. People always want the old version of anything back when it changes, and so they have created theories that reverse it so they can have it both ways. But Morty becoming more confident, Rick breaking down his walls, etc., all of these have been building even throughout the past seasons. It’s clear in season 3 and 4. This is going to keep going further to keep the larger character arcs and make the show less predictable. It’s the engine of the show.

[@TheArcher35]

@@Frank-wr2nf But its doesnt feel like bad writing because the quality of the episodes are still good. Whether or not this theory is correct the characters are acting strange (you caould say tha is becaus the writers dont really know the charcter sthat well) and if it all turns out to be Evil mortys origin then i think in the long haul when the show is over it will be really cool that they dedicated a season to this beacuse like morty said "classic rick and morty adventurs, a little bit of this and a little bit of that"

[@spacecowboy2431]

Nope, he is wrong, in episode seven he is referred to as C-137 Rick.

[@Frank-wr2nf]

@@spacecowboy2431 oh yeah I forgot about that. There’s a lot of references to past seasons in ep 1-5 too. I think, even with new writers, it’s just a fresh/new approach that’s consistent with Dan and Justin’s vision for the long game. I enjoy seeing Rick struggle and be resourceful rather than win every battle super easily, and it’s more interesting when he’s not always being emotionless. And I like Morty more as he goes through adolescence and grows more and more confident. You see more of yourself in the characters when they’re more like real people truly growing through life. That’s why it’s interesting to see characters adapt and change to overcome setbacks. A show can’t stay good indefinitely if their two characters are a permanently neurotic, stupid punching bag and a nihilistic asshole alcoholic with the power of god who can never get hurt and avoids all consequences. It gets old having the plot always revolve around Rick as an unstoppable force everywhere he goes, and changing it up makes me want to see what happens next, like a good show should. Rick and Morty got a lot of mileage out of its original premise, but it wouldn’t truly be a good show if it stayed the exact same for 100 episodes. It would certainly fall off in quality and eventually become a parody of itself. Especially if there’s new writers, better for them to take the show in a new direction than fail to recreate the atmosphere of their predecessors.

[@yo75z33]

ok so regarding the fact he s 14 the creators published an article about it saying that the characters don t age, they may have 100 christmases but no matter what the characters will always have the same age

[@cuishanwu5]

underated comment

[@goblincomic4522]

or is it ? SInce this show is about multiverse they can go back to any other time line with wont effect story as all

[@HerrZeus]

@@ET-yc4wb oh my god you can’t be serious

[@svenskallaru9466]

@@goblincomic4522 you're missing the point of this show all together. Dimensions aren't time travel. Rick and morty can't portal back in time. They can portal to a universe where technology moved slower etc, but their personal age will stay the same. Rick can't teleport to a dimension, come back 10 years later but it only being 10 seconds later in c132. Or maybe he can, since they broke this rule in like 3 episodes haha. But they made it very clear in series 1 that they don't time travel and portals don't work like that. Except in the first episode and in the narnia episode etc

[@aysitalownatlanch1052]

TheC4P lmaooooo, you’re so wrong on so many levels on a very basic topic. That is so sad

[@carsonbrown7520]

I would agree with ya but at 16:00 minutes into episode one season 5 Rick says “i already went to war with alantis when I destroyed that mermaid puss” and the fish dude says “I knew that was you”

[@SYSTEM__32]

The two Christmas’s theory makes sense, unless we were being shown the same Christmas for 2 different Mortys.

[@Yodah97]

Jesus Christ, I think you nailed it. I mean on the episode where they made Jerry floaty, the plot of the episode didn't rely on it being Christmas. Jerry could have been doing any other mundane task, like cleaning the gutters. So it feels like the writers purposefully made it Christmas for continuity reasons. If that's right, it means that this Morty was having the Space Snake adventure just as our Main Morty was living through Episode 2 of season one. And you know what that means? It means that this Morty might be impacted by the Cronenberg Incident in the near future. That'd be NUTS.

[@flavorwise]

Same Christmas as Never Ricking Morty on the train "Share a story about the time Rick Sanchez saved Christmas."?

[@BloodMoonFT]

After the heartbreaking episode with Planetina that’s when I thought maybe it’s evil Morty s story since this season has been pretty depressing and bad for Morty for the most part

[@skulmarus]

Morty can’t still be fourteen! Nobody tell Matt about The Simpsons…

[@ethanfisher5518]

Or south park...

[@johnkoho1245]

Or Ash Ketchum

[@saidaabdille8603]

Or Steve

[@saidaabdille8603]

Minecraft Steve

[@jeremyharrison2842]

Or how any cartoons work

[@VoxTrat679]

I love how I can watch Rick and Morty over and over and still you manage to notice things I couldn't, what you do is very impressive and fun to watch, thanks so much for the amazing content you put out.

[@vesh]

Rick won’t let himself fall in love

[@milktea6676]

Bruh Also first furry

[@whatandwhy4612]

Yea lol

[@JoeLikesTrains]

But lets focus on morty, also yeah ur right

[@cyrussalunga4373]

Aye

[@alserr11]

Thats sad

[@greenpeasuit]

The most unrick Rick would have the most unmorty Morty.

[@VRFRANKO]

😮

[@michaelsacca6368]

this

[@calebcook80]

mortiest rick and rickest morty

[@strawberrysa1saa]

@@calebcook80 that ones definitely tall morty from the citadel

[@s.v.b.]

The Rickest Morty and the Mortyest Rick

[@JetblackJay]

Season 5 could be seeing both rick and mortys ours and the other evil morty

[@wellusee688]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/fomrdZ2llrWjabM. .

[@geogamelion7895]

in the latest episode one of the ricks called the "main rick" rick c-137 so if this theory is correct (i want it to be correct XD) then you are right

[@tgsmokio]

g i a n t i n c e s t b a b y

[@Laoyuu]

don't know, that idea seems wacky to just bounce from one to the other each episode wise when we barely understand if this theory is actually the case or just speculation.

[@Cheesusful]

@@geogamelion7895 if that's the go-tron episode that could still be c137 without changing this theory for two reasons: 1. A long standing theory is that evil morty is c137's original morty. 2.spoilers ahead..... .... ... .. The go-tron episode is the only episode so far in which Rick utilizes his portal gun OR drinks from his flask (unless he has the flask in the planetina episode: but I don't think so...)

[@lifeiscats1337]

4:57 Or since they hopped entire universes in S1E9 maybe in this newer universe Christmas was moved to like January or something. Making it only a month away. If there was an adventure almost every day this would check out.

[@frog9181]

Harmon himself said that the characters live in an ageless time loop that keeps them the same age forever. He said it when they had an interview about the age of Rick and they said that they would do a thousand christmas episodes before they did a single birthday so that they could essentially keep the characters ageless.

[@ehtishamahmed1135]

Episode 7 be like: I'mma ruin this man's whole career.

[@yellowface9876]

Why

[@zlax6038]

explain.

[@DJ-fn9zk]

Rick was called c-137 by the other ricks

[@InfinityNL2000]

It sucks that the episode got leaked, but i guess ill wait

[@sunnex474]

@@yellowface9876 it got released in Canada accidentally and completely contradicts this theory

[@interstellarsurfer]

Plot Twist: We've been watching Interdimensional Cable this whole time. 🤷‍♂️

[@ghostpeyton2349]

Bruh imagine that’s jus the very last episode of the whole series 😭

[@matticon4834]

Big time speculation theory here. What if Rick created the central finite curve specifically to prevent bill cipher from accidentally discovering one of the other ricks and tracking down our Rick who is speculated to have known Stanford Pines. Seriously it kindof makes sense if you look at it that Bill is smarter/more powerful than Rick when first encountered by young Rick.

[@christiancastro1032]

I like the theory, but when morty and planetina broke, she flys away and in the bottom left you can see their own graves still there, so idk.

[@poolemon9016]

I forget which episode but I'm fairly sure he was called Rick C-137 in this season as well.

[@hugovandyk9918]

Rick did insinuate that he's family hopped before. Could easily be another dimension where Rick replaced his dead self.

[@m.degroot6837]

If there's an infinite number of realities there is also an infinite amount of realities where a rick replaced and burried another rick

[@ChrisTheMemeMan]

@@poolemon9016 he was called c-137 in episode 7 Honestly though, I think its just the writers. I dont think this theory is correct.

[@poolemon9016]

@@mge_kon Just checked.. It's from episode 7 (it leaked early) but there's multiple Ricks and one of them calls the main Rick C137

[@Prettyboyjayyy]

But Mat that's impossible since we see when planetina is flying away, we see dead rick and mortys Graves in the back of the house if you look really closely, which means for at least the planetina episode that is indeed canon, hmm mabye instead of a different timeline, we are watch 2 separate timelines take place at the same time

[@dtathletics2683]

I think it’s just north becoming more like Rick with time he’s caring less and taking action more and Rick is simmering down as he’s growing more attached to his family

[@stephanrobert5593]

North?

[@dtathletics2683]

@@stephanrobert5593 morty* sorry

[@doublea9482]

You’re 100% correct. Even though this theory is interesting and good it’s just not true. Too many things already show us season 5 Rick’s and Morty is C-137. Keep summer safe call back in S5E5, Mermaid puss S5E1, 2 buried bodies S5E3, plus a S5E7 leak Rick saying he is Rick C-137. I’m sure there is more.

[@adamskythief8238]

5:31 was just a mistake in writing. Rick both breaks the treaty when he touches the ocean, and canonically has already gone to Atlantis. When Rock tells Nimbus that he went to Atlantis for some mermaid puss, Nimbus says he knew something was up and they get in a fight over it.

[@hydrosplash2757]

Plot twist: it’s actually the true morty character arc

[@dankelz]

lol yeah imagine if c-137 morty is evil morty from the past and this is the true morty

[@marksmandrilla7057]

It’s actually the future

[@dankelz]

@@marksmandrilla7057 I mean that if c-137 morty is the origin of evil morty

[@generalg755]

If there is the rickiest rick there must be the mortiest morty 🧐

[@godsvilla5014]

@@generalg755 I like to think that evil morty is the rickest morty

[@TheProteanGeek]

They've moved at least once since the episode where Morty buried himself. Remember the squirrels. I think we have also seen more episodes watching other versions than we thought.

[@UkuleleProductions]

That could've been another timeline with the squirrels.

[@TheProteanGeek]

@@UkuleleProductions the Morty's Mindblowers episode totally could have been for sure. Almost any episode can.

[@leaguegamerspro]

The leaked episode confirms that the Rick and Morty we’ve been following have been from c-137 (at least so 7 and 4)

[@cbicommentbureauofinternet5290]

True

[@thebootybandit5544]

Where’s the leaked episodes

[@drakewiz]

They confirm that Rick is C-137, but nothing about Morty or someone else. Also, Rick has said to be C-137 since after Love Potion episode. It could be that this is a 'younger' Rick. It is possible everyone died in that timeline when Rick has grown attached to them, then abandoned Morty in a dying world while learning 'not' to love the next family set.

[@Xighor]

@@drakewiz true Also there was the whole "and this is where it all be began" and Rick treating morty like 💩 for Summer

[@gonzalosozzani5824]

A bit late to comment, but I remember an "Idle" dialog in PocketMortys mobile game. Goes like this. "You know all these Mortys... I-I am just getting older, but they remain the saaaame age..." May be worth to check

[@doopness785]

I’ve loved the fact that season 5 hasn’t used the traditional portal gun yet.

[@AnOldYouTubeAccount]

@Paolo Paskin what scene was the gun in

[@jnd5192]

@@AnOldKZbinAccount at the beginning, rick goes with jerry to the alleyway with the kareoke bar.

[@AnOldYouTubeAccount]

@@jnd5192 yeh we see a portal but no portal gun?

[@cjthegood9342]

@@jnd5192 just double checked and confirmed. There was no portal gun but there was a portal

[@Ethan-nz5ck]

Rick was addressed as C-137 in the newest episode (episode 7) not sure if that ruined the theory or not, but definitely something to think about.

[@suyashalva2452]

Explain a bit more bro

[@onelastangel3187]

@@SpiderVenom12905 no he died and was buroed

[@onelastangel3187]

Me who was coming over here to Wright this

[@thechuckinator]

@@onelastangel3187 no, you're thinking of C-132, C-137 is praying mantis hybrid people, which they had to leave because there was no fixing that earth

[@Mrgazeygams_Is_A_Tit]

@@SpiderVenom12905 theres another theory of how C-137 Rick got rid of his original Morty. They say that’s how Evil Morty came about. A Rickless Morty.

[@BearJN]

I haven't actually watched the video yet, but in the episode where the element girl flies away from morty's room crying, you can see the graves seen in previous seasons, so we are at least watching that morty in that episode

[@wellusee688]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/fomrdZ2llrWjabM .

[@ChipInDip]

Unless Rick and evil Morty take over a similar dimension, just like c-137 Rick and Morty

[@yamivaneer2773]

@@ChipInDip yeah, and the whole base of the evil morty theory is that he used to be with rick c 137.

[@sheikaejulius4441]

I mean, I feel like Rick has changed over the last 3 seasons. It doesn't feel too out of character to see him change.

[@0ddysey111]

MatPat just saying that they already covered the fact that Rick *eh hem* destroyed that mermaid puss. Rick said (paraphrasing) “I already caused chaos in Atlantis, when I destroyed that Mermaid Puss.” Mister Nimbus said “I knew that was you!”

[@placeholder634]

Mat there is still one thing In the leaked episode Season 5 Episode 7, When Summer calls out other Smith families from other dimensions for gogotron, She refers the current Rick as Rick of C-137.

[@KommissarKong]

This

[@kiattim2100]

Yeah, it's just bad writting honestly. Not because of plot thing but just plain ol bad writting lol.

[@aeircrown7994]

I don't know, there's a chance that episode is purposely leak for some unknown reason or something lol.

[@MarcoBayod_MB]

I was going to say this, but still we have the vacuum of two episodes, maybe there is something else there

[@ImaginationJ]

What leak?

[@p3pable]

The most unsettling part of this season is that opening credit where Morty scores a goal in Golf and it all seem normal

[@natelodmouth3860]

Facts😂

[@ajgriffith9371]

@Dire 16 the only way to win golf is to not play in the first place

[@thefatheroflies7921]

@Dire 16 A golf basket, if you will. The ball made touchdown in the hole, and it was a home run hit.

[@RaeLikesToPlayYT]

Evil rick wasnt a robot, but evil morty used tech to control evil ricks brain, that was made very clear in the show where one of the ricks said "He was being controlled, ive only seen this kind of technology once before" importantly, being controlled not just a robot. you can also see evil ricks real brain inside all the wires.

[@sr_aron]

"Grasssssss, taste bad." Some drunk old man

[@gagiibaaji2774]

An old man with a 500 iq he’s speaking the truth

[@callistoarmy5576]

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[@gagiibaaji2774]

@@callistoarmy5576 SHUT

[@Thyshiroe]

The ep 7 leak completely negated this with Rick blatantly being called Rick C-137

[@iley6]

yuh

[@realclarencetinkle]

@Ptao Tom well they’ve said it many times that THAT specific moment happened infinite times In infinite time lines or sum so idk

[@skinva]

@Ptao Tom that proves that this season or at least this episode isn't a different smith family and isn't a prequel.

[@coach3079]

That sucks

[@mr.cleanarchonoflight8120]

@@iley6 of

[@toivoajarakkaus9788]

He’s slowly turning into the “Rickest” Morty…

[@wellusee688]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/fomrdZ2llrWjabM .

[@therealquade]

and the mortyest rick....

[@696Productions]

@@therealquade no

[@therealquade]

@@696Productions yes. his ideas are getting more lame, short-sighted, and impulsive, less competent, less confident. this rick is also becoming more like morty.

[@toivoajarakkaus9788]

@@696Productions @therealquade Actually that does make a lot of sense. Season 5 Rick is slowly softening, becoming more vulnerable like most Mortys are portrayed to be. Makes it easier for when he’ll eventually become a puppet for Evil Morty. It’s a interesting idea.

[@AwesomeBoysJPTV]

I knew this theory was a bit off because of the Easter Egg in S5E3 where Rick and Morty's Graves are seen when Planetina Left. It means, the Vat of Acid Morty and the Planetina Morty are the same.

[@JeanJacket311]

The real question is: “When the FNAF movie comes out will it be on Game Theory or Film Theory?”

[@swapmarioyt64]

Why not both?

[@thewalaw]

I think Matpat will upload it to both channels

[@dragonbornwerewolf]

Maybe a two parter with one part on Game Theory and the other on Film Theory, makes logical sense from a KZbinr perspective as he could promote both channels doing so.

[@CommissarChaotic]

Galm Theory

[@peachyman8211]

It can be all like game for the game stuff film for the movie lore and food for like something about idk poison or something