Joker 2 - How to Backstab the Audience | Anatomy of a Failure

[@Filmento]

Like the video if you really prefer Fil to do the VO. I'll see if the like number is higher than normal. Also, check out the fun card game I talked about. You get 20% off by using code filmento20: bit.ly/FilmentoDoomlings

[@DoomDogLazy7335]

Transformers One 2024 Please....???

[@jessetorres8738]

I actually didn't mind Joker 2 being a musical, but instead of it being a 2 & 1/2 hour movie about a trial for his crimes from the 1st movie it really should have been a Bonnie & Clyde like origin story about him & Harley.

[@T0NYMANUEL]

Fimento please

[@philllllllll]

I like both. Moviemento is fine, but I wouldn't want him more than maybe 1/4 or 1/3 of the time. But he's good.

[@javgamer722]

Yeah same​. I prefer Filmento but to lighten his load Moviemento can stay around and take some percentage of the episodes.

[@CallOfCutie69]

Nobody mentions how misleading the trailers were. From them I got the impression that Joker escapes during trial, hooks up with Harley and wreaks havoc. Instead he’s Joker only in his fantasy.

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

This is a part of the problem. The marketing was extremely misleading in every way.

[@CallOfCutie69]

And these trailers were shown a LOT. Especially to a frequent moviegoer.

[@Phoenix2312]

Yeah, I got that impression from the Trailers as well... The thing is... That would have made it an actual Movie! If they were going to do it.. Go the whole way, Get Joker Out of Arkham, Let him slowly begin the madness once more with Harley in tow... However, I am standing with @The-king-of-ruins ... This Movie did NOT need a Sequel! The Ambiguity of the OG film makes it PERFECT! Is it The Joker or just "Joker"? Is Arthur Fleck the man who becomes the Iconic Prince of Crime or just someone who wishes he was? It fits PERFECTLY that way! I wish to god they could do a Batman Film Series with the SAME BATMAN for long enough to have the eponymous "There were THREE Jokers" ... Hide Joker so you never see him fully, even though you know that there will be Three Different Actors and ROLL WITH IT! It works, It makes Sense and then you can have audience's even guessing WHO was the Original? Was there an Original? Does Arthur Fleck even fit in? Did he Inspire them? Or is he just a Fantasist? JOKER should have remained a Stand Alone Movie!

[@imsentinelprime9279]

It looked kinda mid from the trailers too

[@CallOfCutie69]

@@imsentinelprime9279 It looked expensive and well filmed, but the actual movie we got is even worse than mid.

[@LordHollow]

We don't want high energy: Your voice is calm, concise, straight forward and unique.

[@DiddlyDooMemes]

Yes keep filmento

[@jesustyronechrist2330]

Yeah, otherwise it just becomes like any other content farm on KZbin. Moviemento might be a better fit for a corporate run media company, not an individual run channel.

[@Kiyoone]

Yeah. Moviemento voice is annoying. It is 1 pitch too high. Can't stand that voice for more than 5 minutes.

[@AzzleSpazzle]

I wish he said he would read the comments to decide if he stays or not rather than fishing for likes. Feels like our voices (Comments) are less important than the algorithm to him.

[@LordHollow]

@@AzzleSpazzle Im sure he sees most people don't finish the moviemento videos.

[@Karianysu]

This is like making a movie about Venom but instead of doing an adaptation its about some guy on drugs that hears a voice in his head, kills 2 guys and wears black clothing

[@Bloodynine606]

Or you know the PG Venom movies we already got

[@shawerful5209]

Dc fans would like that because is "dark" and "gritty". except if it was a musical

[@Woodsaras]

And that would be a 100 times much better movie than this fkng childish nonsense 3 movies that we got

[@NrgBuster]

Hollywood Execs:...say that again.

[@micahmills5769]

This is the best comparison I've heard for these joker movies 😂😂

[@ZeApostle]

Really respected how you took audience feedback in and didnt disregard it. Very admirable.

[@Chrisy7]

I wish he’d stop trying to push this dude onto us every few months after being told no!!😡

[@magical571]

yes, so admirable to cater to the majority, admirable gesture 😪😪

[@NeidlichesSchwert]

Most people didn't like this movie, because most people are morons. This movie was a formalistic masterpiece.

[@Playaaa0]

@@magical571 You mean respecting his fans? moron

[@darkaquatus]

The biggest problem of the main character becoming completely reactionary is that the whole point of The Joker was him being invisible and on his own. It was him vs the world, which turned him into a nihilistic anarchist. This only fed his psychosis which finally made him visible to the people around him. And even though the end result wasn't great, this was still preferable to being an invisible person nobody cared about. It was better to be hated than to be ignored. Now, him suddenly starting to pull back again and refusing to make any real decisions makes absolutely no sense. He's literally trying to become invisible again, which means that this alter ego of The Joker that he created after burning off his old personality is suddenly gone as well. For a movie that leans so heavily on its predecessor it does an amazing job at erasing everything it stood for.

[@conncooney5997]

Well said

[@gabrielmeth4844]

The point of the movie was to destroy the character, thats why. A popular anarchist character can not be allowed in the political climate; I can think of no other reason this movie exists.

[@bobross1829]

@@gabrielmeth4844 I 100% agree with you. The Hollywood woke machine got to them and shamed them over the "message" of the first one, so this movie was basically a big apology for the first movie, basically saying a guy like Fleck is a loser and pathetic. It made the movie unwatchable because the politics of it overwrote the entire point of the first movie, intentionally.

[@redbearddan2000]

Arthur Fleck laughed at the end of the first Joker movie before saying "You wouldn't get it" because he imagined what happens to him in the sequel

[@audaciousjones]

i guess he just imagined killing that psychiatrist in the cell at the end of the 1st cause he's a model prisoner in the 2nd 😂

[@FlyPsiche]

hope this comment blows up

[@zalybrainlessgenius503]

My most favourite observation about the Joker movies so far

[@errolluck8347]

There is a theory that is just exactly that

[@Prototype-357]

@@errolluck8347 That's my headcannon, he was so bored in prison he imagined this whole movie up. The first one is real and this is all fake.

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

I love how the first Joker movie quite literally makes you feel sad about Arthur losing his sanity over the course of the film, meanwhile this Movie literally insults you for doing that and makes Arthur even far more pathetic than the first film, completely ruining the point of the first movie, where Arthur actually accepts who he is

[@vinvibemanual6854]

It feels like they did not like the idea of making him this "relatable" so they chose to make "the message" clear in this movie. I did not watch the movie btw. i heard there was singing and decided to pass on it.....looks like it was a good idea^^

[@gothicgirly2002]

If you actually understood the first movie he was pathetic the entire time because everything was a delusion except for the last two scenes

[@littledudefromacrossthestr5755]

Both movie trash

[@박찬우-k5p5d]

It’s like someone forced Todd Philips to take back the first Joker movie. The system isn’t the problem anymore, but the person who acted out against it.

[@ennieminymoo6675]

Arthur doesn't accepts himself in the first part

[@Tollifolli]

I prefer the calmness of filmento alone. Please continue this way of doing videos.

[@8523wsxc]

It's almost as if the guy that mashed taxi driver and King of comedy together isn't the genius he was immediately declared.

[@manichispanic5234]

Right, LOL.... I honestly didn't think the first Joker was that great to begin with

[@starkillersneed]

Dude spent his whole career directing dudebro comedies like The Hangover and Road Trip, made one slightly smart movie and thought he was the next Scorcese

[@AVTechTips]

@@manichispanic5234 The first movie was good. However the amount of pretentious people surrounding the movie was a big problem. The director and writer seemed to be clearly annoyed that people liked the movie for "the wrong reasons". But really everyone involved is so up their own butt they need a chiropractor to find their wallet. Did you ever see the woman talk about her "joker theme" like it's some work of genius inspiration? it's a musical piece of single notes spaced out so far they almost stop being a song, any beginner cello player can play it. But it inspired joker's...dancing. Which, despite all the artistic people jizzing their pants over it, is one of the worse scenes in the movie, it reminds me of a 10 year old boy doing karate poses in the mirror, he saw on TV. I mean everyone involved is JUST SO FULL OF THEMSELVES, I'm certain the quality of the first movie was entirely an accident. The sequel is my evidence.

[@davidarco6127]

I honestly think the director regrets making the first Joker movie because he thinks many people idolized the violence and the protagonist in that movie (but I think only a small group of people did that). That's why he made the sequel, to tell this people "Look, the character you idolize is actually a stupid moron and you are a psychopath for liking the violence." Which is very weird to me, but is the only explanation I find for this film to be the way it is (if it was only a cash grab, it would have violence and the Joker being Joker, they would've tried to make something people would like)

[@ATHAITEK]

He is more likely caught up in brainwashed circles where he was getting chewed out because of their insane hive mind reasoning.

[@sashawood6438]

This is exactly what I think !

[@katinkaraab1964]

Yeah but you could have done even that better. P.ex. Have him be in prison, have Harley be his psychic, Break Out and See all the "Jokers" and the effect He Had and then Show him not beeing able to Work with the other criminals and loose against another Joker. Show him Not beeing able to be a leader due to His personality and Show him going Back to being alone. Way better.

[@Weretooth]

Like Frank Herbert with Dune Messiah

[@shizachan8421]

@@katinkaraab1964 The issue with Joker is how Incels made him their power fantasy, when he was always a weak pathetic loser whose only win is killing a few yuppies and a talkshow host who was the bigger man at the moment.

[@sgmjanus7174]

I don't "not like" Moviemento, I just like Filmento.

[@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access]

THANK you, that’s exactly how I feel about it too. I hope Moviemento makes his own channel, I’m sure it would do great

[@zonesproductions]

I was looking for a Moviemento channel but couldn't find it. Make it happen!

[@Fortunateis4luck]

@@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access ikr! I like his energy but it is out of place with what we expect when we start a filmento video. Now, on his own channel , he could actually get it big.

[@Kiyoone]

Yeah. Moviemento voice is annoying...

[@bmprimer7809]

i don't like moviemento at all, to the point that any video where he replaces filmento is an instant nope from me and i watch something else.

[@The-king-of-ruins]

I’ll say it once and I’ll say it again. this movie didn’t need a sequel!!

[@Bloodhurl67]

The good thing about it is that it ends in a way where you can essentially ignore the sequel, especially since it was so bad and doesn't improve upon the original in any way lol

[@heathmcrigsby]

It was a movie that made bottom of the barrel white men sympathetic. Shined a light on the problems they face. Well the you know who couldn't allow that. So this movie had to be made to destroy all of it.

[@DaVibeCreator]

​ @heathmcrigsby Yeah literally humiliation ritual

[@mrfreeman2911]

A sequel could have been amazing. There is so much story to tell. Sadly Hollywood hates Joker.

[@LeeEverett1]

To be fair people probably said the same thing about several successful sequels in the past. Imagine if Star Wars never got a sequel and was a one off? Sequels can work if everyone who works on it actually cares.

[@MarvinPowell1]

I've mentioned this before, but the most common fan pitch for a Joker 2, if _you must make one_ is to have Harleen Quinzel already be Joker's psychologist in Arkham for a while now in act one of the movie, become fascinated with him turning into Harley Quinn, and uses his followers to break Arthur out of Arkham. Then have another Gotham criminal (the "Imposter Joker", the Riddler, or someone else) threaten Joker as the true madman of the city, forcing Arthur to step up as a leader to "protect his new family" and become the better villain out of both necessity and a feeling of belonging, which forces him to also do more violence. This leads to the third act of Arthur finally gaining confidence as The Joker persona, leaving Arthur behind forever, and having a whole legion of criminals following him behind as the top criminal of the city, as we see a 17 year old Bruce Wayne training in Asia and watching Gotham crumble on television, as he prepares to become the Batman. I like this fan idea better than the actual movie we got.

[@s0uth9arkcartman21]

Crazy how easy it is to come up with a functioning plot that’s 1000 times better than what we actually got 😂. Also, not sure if it fits with Joaquin’s Joker too much, but to solidify the turning point, he could tattoo the Joker face-paint onto himself, showing there’s no going back to Arthur Fleck

[@BlueBerry2283]

Just reading this pitch gave me more enjoyment than the whole movie we got could ever hope to

[@99eigencharu]

But if that happens there will be an another sequel, where they will fuck it up.

[@darylchua2168]

We could even throw in Ghostmaker at the ending there, as much as I don't care for him. This is so good

[@steampunkfox4932]

This is very similar to the pit g that William Defo made to WB

[@MoviesRemastered]

Your ideas for what this movie should've been and seeing it through Harley's eyes is just awesome. 17:46

[@Magnus_Caramelo_55]

watch Transformers One instead, it's a masterpiece of a movie compared to the excuse that is Joker 2

[@takik4563]

God bless that twitter guy who made an account just go recomend transformers one to everybody

[@saqib7965]

Also wild robot

[@123bbb]

agreeee

[@DavidsSanity]

Tf1 is goated

[@trinaq]

"I don't want the singing anymore." At least they predicted what most of the audience would be thinking, and popped it into the script.

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Shrek summarized this movie *STOP SINGING*

[@TheSuperappelflap]

cinemasins going to ding the bell a lot for that one

[@Woodsaras]

"predicted"? Singing is a core theme of this fkng movie you retrd.

[@emipistefi]

i adore movie musicals but even from the scenes ive seen from this movie the singing just does not work, its not emotional enough and doesnt fit the theme...i feel like if the movie would have been in harleys prespective and she would have been the only one singing it would have worked. Making arthur who did not sing in the first movie suddently burst out in song is off putting, but a new character whos a bit off the rails singing and being the only one to do so would have been a fun characteristic choice

[@crazyfrogmix]

it's called lampshading and it's a lazy alternative to just making something good to begin with

[@iceman1146]

Dear Filmento, your voice is such a charming part of your videos that they simply cannot exist without it. We understand it needs some rest from time to time and we accept it, but please keep on voicing your channel. For me it is one of the most enjoyable voices in YT

[@existentialhorror2218]

exactly

[@beezybaby1289]

Right. If moviemento or whoever tf it was last video keeps showing up I’m out

[@BalthazarHDBZ]

completely agree

[@lurkerandsowhat]

This was not a film but the deliberate and studied humiliating physical-moral-spiritual killing of the main protagonist.

[@libervitaexaltis4551]

Tell that to the boomer studio executive who just lost 200mil on a flop, lmao

[@sorashirogami1729]

The main protagonist of the film (The madness of The Joker) is alive and well though.

[@JulianCorleone96]

Just like Luke Skywalker.

[@jasperzanovich2504]

@@sorashirogami1729 There is no character development or story arc though. He just mopes around and dies. Doesn't need an entire movie for that plot.

[@InitialPC]

@@libervitaexaltis4551 and how did they lose it? by paying for it they knew what the movie was and still put their money into it, this movie is what they wanted

[@shubhamkoirala18]

If you'd told me 2 years ago that I'd be seeing Joaquin's Joker in a "Anatomy of a failure video, I'd never have believed it. What a monumental downgrade!

[@NeidlichesSchwert]

It was better than the first; not for normies.

[@onlinetoday840]

@@NeidlichesSchwertyou’re trying to hard to be different. joker made 1 billion dollars joker 2 made 23 million… keep coping you little liberal

[@onlinetoday840]

@@NeidlichesSchwertonly social outcast liberals liked this movie

[@ShadowSonic2]

@@onlinetoday840 He's more a Conservative

[@onlinetoday840]

@ explain how

[@TheArbiterSux]

"The opposite of love isn't hate, its apathy" fits so well for the plot of the original movie, and for the viewers reception of the sequel.

[@loganseydel7155]

Yeah, the whole pitch on Harley Quinn makes me realize how amazing it could have been. Too bad we don't have artists and visionaries guiding the film industry but businessmen and shareholders.

[@TheSmokeWatcher]

And propagandists

[@OlafavonGoeding]

Yeah, the film literally has all the elements that could've made it great but they instead chose to focus on the wrong thing, the court and what happened before. It's a shame.

[@thesilversleep]

Filmento, this is exactly why a Filmento video needs to star Filmento, don't be Arthur. If you need to take a break then take a break. It's ok for a hero to take a break.

[@JohnDoe-wf1tl]

the algorithm hates and punishes breaks

[@Wesblumarine]

@@JohnDoe-wf1tlYep!

[@mathieus.1851]

@@Wesblumarine Unless your break is due to a drama

[@MidnightDubstep]

YES FILMENTO IS BACK

[@melohopkins5480]

It’s clear to me that Todd never wanted people to empathize with the character and was surprised by the reception of the first film

[@Rafa-Silva-Alt]

For real? Then he is very dumb. Nothing of what was in the script was there just because, most of it has a purpose or meaning. If he's that dumb, kudos for him getting something right like a broken clock.

[@CThyran]

If that's the case why make the film in the style of Taxi Driver?

[@thedislikebutton1907]

The audience receives what the director wants to show.

[@AVTechTips]

So...he was angry he messed up and made the character too relatable? Todd's big problem is he blames the audience for his mistakes. for not wanting people to like Arthur, he sure did everything a movie does to try to make a character likable, short of giving him a dog.

[@TheBeigeRaider]

i’ll never forgive them for this. I have never been so hopeful for a sequel than i was was with Joker. I have been upset for weeks 😭

[@leroy0151]

We love you Filmento, not just for your voice but your knowledge and dedication. That comes at a cost though and if moviemento helps to share the load and give you the room to continue making quality content thats ok with us (i speak for myself but i'm sure the sentiment is shared). Moviemento you're great and we appreciate you too. 🙌

[@BreakInYT]

I endorse this comment.

[@CaptainphoenixofficialYT]

A sane Filmento comment? I never thought I'd see the day.

[@cardescomedioses3674]

I agree, filmento's voice is part of his brand but for the sake of health and satisfaction I can accept moviemonto come from time to time, he ain't bad really (i even liked his banter with filmento on the back lol), but the problem was more of the jarring studden change, I remember this happen to end explains and happened the same, tho hope it ends well

[@ojeritoayala]

I enjoyed the rivalry. Maybe a half and half video every now and then won't be as shocking as just straight up making a full replacement out of the blue.

[@crod9905]

People keep saying Joker didn't need a sequel. But if this sequel had Arthur grow more into the Joker and meet Batman at the end, we'd be breaking box office records.

[@sarge1408]

Eh, sure it'd be doing that, but it'd still suck, but in a different way. Sounds like that'd just be a more action, less story based, kinda movie. Would still be known as lesser than the OG

[@crod9905]

@@sarge1408 People probably thought the same thing about movies like Top Gun Maverick and look what happened. 🤷‍♀️ It's all about execution and having a good script.

[@tigerlancer]

They royally screwed the pooch on this one. Joker 2 should have been his year 2. Except, it was actually heath's -1 cameo. 🤦‍♂️ this is as you say, should have been his big caper. Where fleck made his bones.

[@beneath_the_pavement]

I agree 14 year old bat man would be amazing

[@tigerlancer]

@@crod9905 I heard joker 3 is about Lee giving birth and naming the kid, Ben Fleck. He's going to become an actor and become the latest live action batman. Fans will nickname him batfleck. The circle will then be complete. 🦇

[@jessetorres8738]

I actually didn't mind Joker 2 being a musical, but instead of it being a 2 & 1/2 hour movie about a trial for his crimes from the 1st movie it really should have been a Bonnie & Clyde like origin story about him & Harley.

[@mrfreeman2911]

and Harley should have been a psychologist from Arkham. Wild that they changed that.

[@23Kite]

See that would have been a great logical conclusion. They could have even done a tie in with the Robert Patterson Batman and the The penguin HBO show. Nope, they needed to punish the audience who felt sympathy for the incel. They had to subvert expectations. And this Joker 2 was made.

[@Ximira_Xelo]

Chicago did it better

[@CoOlKyUbI96]

Personally I don’t think a Bonnie and Clyde film would have worked. Because this film doesn’t seem to understand how musicals work. Musicals include songs that either progresses the story further or include songs that reveal a new character development.

[@MurasakiTsukimaru]

Have it be a musical because they're just so crazy that they view the world around them as a musical. From their perspective, everyone is dancing along with their musical number, but from the outside, they're a pair of crazy criminals who burst into song.

[@mix3k818]

It must be another case of Matrix Resurrextions where it's clearly made out of spite.

[@animalfreak462]

I do like the concept of the protagonist giving up on hope, and being broken, but I want it to be when the hero comes out of his broken phase, and tries again with more motivation, and succeed! I love that premise, because It’s relatable and a great role model to do better in life, and anyone can relate and inspire from that concept!

[@gunslinger7513]

I am also very amused by people who try to justify all this with "meta-commentary on the audience, you don't get it" and say that Joker 2 will be a real classic in the future, like Fight Club or Blade Runner... No, not at all. These are completely different cases and situations why the films flopped at the box-office. I don't really understand where the connection is between them. The only place where Joker 2 will end up is a reference book on how NOT to make a sequel to the first film, which absolutely didn't need it.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

Yeah they really showed the fans and subverted our expectations, take THAT Ryan Johnson or however you spell that guys name, fk him i dont care

[@arandombard1197]

It will certainly be remembered as an iconic car crash of a movie. It's not a bland, underwhelming sequel - it crashes and burns spectacularly in the shape of a giant middle finger.

[@jesustyronechrist2330]

It's a real classic just how the black plague is a classic.

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

I had a few idiots ratio me on the Arthur/Gary court scene comment sections saying it was just like Blade Runner. Crazy. Blade Runner was ALWAYS a huge audience favorite, both the first and its sequel. Yes they underperformed financially, but audiences never hated them.

[@stripeythefilmmaker3255]

How are they different situations? I mean, you can say that, sure, but you gotta provide reasoning to your claim.

[@crypticcss4359]

Moviemento was a cute switch up for a couple here and there videos but I come to watch you. Love ya both

[@kri1ndawn440]

Having him as an ocasional cameo would be fine imo

[@maraneza-5370]

I would love him for cameos because i like their banter

[@Stormy.mp4]

Arthur being a passive protagonist is exactly what i said to my friend when we left the theatre! even the random dude who we chatted with in the lobby agreed with us.

[@BangoWangoWumboDumpo]

Dont stop making videos. Youve been my fave for a long time. I love your honest calm energy

[@Jeandiel_LJD]

your Joker 2 Rewrite at the end is actually the perfect movie wtf. that’s what this movie should’ve been.

[@sioncrush5336]

This is why most movies don’t NEED sequels. Some of the greatest movies out there only have one standalone film, which makes them timeless Classics. Honestly regardless on how one feels about the Joker, no one can deny how impactful it was.

[@greebuh]

The best movie ever made was a sequel. Aliens.

[@andrzejnadgirl2029]

Ah, yes. I also remember when they made grounded sci-fi horror into typical action schlop. I don't mind action cinema, I'm actually huge fan of Jackie Chan or John Woo movies. But when in first movie Ripley jettisons the alien there is whole nervous sequences as she is strapping herself while wearing a space suit so she wouldn't be sucked into the space with the alien. Alien 2 had literally same premise in the ending outside of few details, she was not wearing any protective gear and was holding ladder bare hands to avoid being sucked into void. Alien 2 was fine action piece but in didn't felt like a sequel, rather like a spin-off on the concept and it was breaking expectations established previously in the franchise.

[@The_Infamous_Boogyman]

Denied. There ya go, someone denied it. And I honestly mean it. Was it impactful? Or was it simply popular? We don't have enough intelligent citizens to make an impact through art

[@The_Infamous_Boogyman]

​@@greebuhnope, nope ,nope, hell to the no my friend, watch more movies

[@aurahoneydew9607]

Nothing needs a sequel but a good one is always appreciated. Unfortunately joker 2 was just a writer and star's hate letter to the audience. The very audience who had so many better ways to take this series right out the theater back 2019.

[@Draconisrex1]

I have gotten to the point that I refuse to go to movies until they've been out for a few weeks and they've been vetted by reviewers I can trust.

[@pablo-tr5jm]

pussi

[@cybersoldierforever]

The idea that this movie exists is so mind boggling, but not surprising.

[@__ZANE__]

i would have liked to see Joker 2 go completely mad and become the Health Ledger version.

[@williambarrett9187]

I have been watching your videos for years. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the way you present your videos. Your calm demeanor and thoroughness is what I enjoy.

[@johnkubiak1154]

Arthur wasn't supposed to be pathetic. He was supposed to be a sympathetic villainous protagonist who's actions are made understandable but not justified because of the life he live. Joker was supposed to make you feel sad and compassionate for a man who was screwed from the get-go by a mental disorder, an abusive mother who constantly gas-lit him, a job that treated him unfairly, and an existence that viewed him as insignificant and disposable. Although Arthur Fleck's actions were unacceptable on a personal level they represented people like him beginning to resist the abuses foisted on them by the rich and the powerful. He didn't kill Thomas Wayne personally but the image of a man preferring to laugh at the ashes of a system that ruined him than live under it certainly did. In Joker he is hard to look at because he is a twisted reflection of the failures of our values as a society and how they make monsters out of the abandoned and the desperate. In Joker 2 he is just hard to look at. Joker two holds the people who enjoyed the first one and related to the feelings of dissatisfaction with society expressed in it in direct contempt. Part two hates part one and anyone who liked it.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

Better than Id be able to say it.

[@PawsOnTheBalcony]

On point 👏

[@CabezasDePescado]

But todd thought we were not smart enough as to understand his "masterpiece"

[@mikumikuareka]

Also, I would also like to point out that the Jocker 2 has kind of unhealthy message? The moral of the 1st movie was that no people are made out of steel, if many layers of neglection stack on top of mentally ill individual, they might be hurt immensely. The main hero of the movie snaps just because of this. The moral of the 2nd movie? Society neglects individuals who needs the help the most? SIKE! HE DIDN'T NEED ANY CARE ALL ALONG! IT'S ALL HIS FAULT, HE IS A FILTHY MURDERER AND MUST BE ABUSED FURTHER AND DIE. Did you feel bad for him in the first movie? What a silly goose you are, you did not get the point of it then, you were never meant to have sympathy towards MC all along! People nowadays... I mean, what the actual f? It's not just undoing the hero as critics say. It's also undoing the ideas and moral values this hero represents. And undoing the idea that society should support people like Arthur instead of neglecting them?.. Todd, for real?

[@darylchua2168]

@@mikumikuareka no, see, see, the poetic subtext of the gangb$^& scene was that people who desperately need help and then express their negative feelings as a result, are just gonna get f***ed! Bravo, Todd! So clever!

[@gendygoblin8391]

11:13 The fact Arthur stopped laughing in the first one towards the end also had narrative relevance of him taking control of his life and going on the Murray show. I found the beginning of this film kind of threw all that away, basically taking his discovered agency and ending on his lack of agency and a shiv in his gut.

[@trinaq]

Joker: Watching an ordinary man descending into madness, after being beaten down one too many times. Joker 2: Watching a courtroom of people constantly talk about a man descending into madness.

[@inazuma3gou]

As an audience we get to learn the sequence of events that led to Arthur's descent into madness, but the people in his world shouldn't have insights into his internal workings.

[@NewMitchell-wh3fj]

They could have just made it like a True Crime youtube video and it'd have been more interesting like I watch 2hr EWU episodes lol

[@AndersonPEM]

Phoenix: I don't do sequels. Warner: [Drops a bag of money with 20 million] Phoenix: When do we start?

[@deanjustdean7818]

To be fair, it is more likely that Phoenix said to them "alright, I will do it for twenty million". He is not a fallen saint, just a guy who did not miss this trick. I just wish he used the clout that he had to get a better script. Even if they wanted to continue on this "Arthur is pathetic" insult to the audience path, the film could still have turned out far better than it did. Studios are really quite pathetic in that they dream up fantasies of taking advantage of the hype from projects that are now too old for the hype to be that fantastic and making another billion dollars. It used to be that studios would throw together sequels so fast that the original was barely forgotten before the sequel was released. Now, it takes them long enough that the world has long moved on from the original as a discussion source.

[@Arina-1208]

5:34 his lawyer didn't manipulate him, she was doing her job and trying to help

[@carlossalazar3325]

I felt she was the type of lawyer that will represent you because you are a hot case that can give her professional exposure

[@Arina-1208]

@carlossalazar3325 I felt like she really cared, Arthur knew that too, hence the kiss when he was firing her ('cause of Harley)

[@Mozardela]

Bro please. Never leave us again. I love your voice and over the years you have become my favorite guy to analyze movies, not some moviemento con artist

[@bloodhound1182]

I'm glad someone mentioned the fact on how BORING it is to literally be CONFINED as an audience between the 2 endless set pieces of Court and Arkham Asylum. Like bro it's got me feeling trapped LET ME LEAVE AND EXPLORE!!!

[@kvproductions2581]

Someone will be like "hurr rhuurr it's intentional because he's in jail... So DEEP!"

[@StudioBionic1]

I just know people will forget about this movie in a few years to the point it's clumped together with other obscure sequels to popular movies like American Psycho 2 or the Jaws sequels

[@notiermaker]

American Psycho 2… I only had to watch the first five minutes to realize that I was watching shit, and I got off that train quickly. And then I watched the entirety of Joker 2, maybe I’m just a cine-masochist.

[@StudioBionic1]

@@notiermaker To be fair, American Psycho 2 pretty much imediately tells you that it's gonna be awful in the first scene of the movie, and since it was direct to video, you at least had the option to just turn it off and refund it. With Joker 2, you wouldn't imediately guess it'd be bad until about 25 minutes in, when you realize the plot isn't going anywhere and the back to back musical segments start, and at that point, you've already sat down and paid for your ticket and snacks

[@MusicoftheDamned]

I don't know. _Jaws 4_ | _Jaws: The Revenge_ is pretty infamously bad given that's where the whole "voodoo shark" trope & name comes from. It's still not that well-known, but I imagine it still has more staying power than...this debacle.

[@lsebastian9086]

And the disney direct to video films

[@aboxinspace]

I won't lie, I have absolutely nothing against Moviemento and will watch if the video topic is interesting regardless of whether he's the one narrating it, HOWEVER... Your narration was what made me follow the channel in the first place, so sometimes I don't finish the entire video if it's Moviemento. I know it continues to be your script, it's just a "me" thing with voices... There are bands I can't listen to anymore after they changed vocalists, so to me this is more or less that 😅 8:30 OH NO BRAZIL MENTIONED

[@Hamsteak]

I am so happy I never watched the movie.I was kicking myself for not watching it, now I'm glad I didn't

[@DeltaDanner]

Loved the first one and was going to see the sequel when it came out but my friends walked out disappointed and told me not to bother. Glad I didn’t waste the money given how expensive a trip to the theater is.

[@eerie.nights]

“Let’s give the people what they want” *gives them Joker 2*

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Todd Philips: How about another Joke?

[@eerie.nights]

@ 😭😭😭😂 “YOU GET WHAT YOU F**KING DESERVE!”

[@IceSkateUpHilll]

@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 “I don’t think so”

[@emetanti]

Todd Philips: "You get what you fucking deserve!"

[@marcosgin777]

He didn’t say that he said I want to make them feel bad

[@hira791]

All they had to do was to make a Harley Quin movie about her slow descent into madness (under the influence of the Joker) similar to the first movie. The ending could be Harley (as the psychiatrist working at Arkham) helping Joker escape the asylum and finally coming into being as Joker and Harley recking havoc in Gotham with a 2-sec snippet of Batman at the very end (watching the chaos unfold down below the building his standing on) Something simple but engaging like that. People love the psychological derangement of characters and have always found Joker and Harley's toxic relationship interesting. That would have been enough. You could further develop Arthur as he curates his persona as the manipulative and calculative Joker will all know and love. There was no need to downgrade him, assault him and replace him as the Joker with some random dude at the end. That was such a terrible idea. I loved the first movie bc it gave Joker such a cool origin story that no other villain had gotten before. Why deprive him of that?

[@kristianawilson9038]

I love your idea!

[@LilRedDog]

Deprived become depraved. As soon as I saw Joker smoking I court I presumed the whole movie is yet another personality 0f Joker's... I think I'll wait until it hits the local Library...

[@DeadpoolX9]

Nah bruv after this year I don’t want to see Harley in anything for another decade

[@OlafavonGoeding]

I think they already had the good ideas in the movie but they focused on the wrong thing. The court portion should've been much shorter. The escape much longer. I wanted him to wreak havoc. Then he could've realized that he doesn't even like his stans (as he did in the movie), gets betrayed/abandoned by Harley, gets killed by a disappointed stan just for him to adopt the crazier version of this persona... It's all there, just the focus was off

[@hira791]

@OlafavonGoeding sure the execution could have been a lot better but I still think scrapping the first movies origin story for the joker isn't an exciting idea. It's not like the new guy is going to be fleshed out and that too in any meaningful way. Tho i do like your idea but maybe instead of actually dying in the end, he could be chased down and thrown in the acid tank. The stans could think his dead but right at the end we see bubbles arise from the tank indicating that Arthur did survive and now would transform completely into the original joker we all know and love.

[@chriscox9537]

It's not that we dislike movie mento. We just like filmento. Thanks for the vids over the years bro.

[@LaDominicana2011]

I finally watched this horrible movie last night. The plot made no sense, the singing was weird, the entire movie was a shit show. It made me depressed, and I was confused as to what I just watched. If you are reading this and wondering if you should watch it, please save yourself the two hours that I will never get back.

[@DTylerFultzVA]

There is a legitimate moment where the movie just "gives up". I know a lot of critics exaggerate this phrase, but I'm being serious. When Arthur admits to not being the Joker, that's where it felt like the movie just threw its script into the trash and went "screw it all".

[@neilhannan7525]

I would say backstab more like stab in the heart when they smile and laugh at you for wasting your time with this movie

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

fr and the ending good god the ending was TRASSSHHH

[@Rafa-Silva-Alt]

Time and money. People like this are just destroying cinema.

[@shardinhand1243]

more evidence that modern filmakers and writers legitimatly hate the fans and properties theyre insanly still somehow being allowed to vandalize... i mean addapt... and vandalize....

[@angusmatheson8906]

Nah. It's flipping off those who like the first movie for all the wrong reasons. It's a good thing.

[@shardinhand1243]

@@angusmatheson8906 theres a right, and a wrong way to like somehting? do tell arbiter please, enlighten this humble savage.

[@angusmatheson8906]

@@shardinhand1243 In this case, yeah. If you are watching the first movie and see it as some kind of celebration of an Incel antihero then, yeah, you're enjoying it wrong. Same goes for those who think Rick Sanchez is a someone to be admired, etc etc.

[@mikumikuareka]

@@angusmatheson8906 I also wonder, what were the correct or wrong reasons to like the Jocker? Please, elaborate and enlighten us a little

[@angusmatheson8906]

@@mikumikuareka You know why lmao

[@----248]

7:36 "Never in history a sequel tried so hard to destroy its own protagonist" : Joel In the last of us part 2.

[@Noperare]

TBF, Joel was killed early in the game, so he didn't got enough screen time to be humiliated as much as Arthur in Joker 2, but it was pretty close. What is crazier is that Sony is already doing a remake of TLOU2.

[@arieson7715]

Technically Joel is only the MC of part 1. Still, fucking dogshit.

[@ViridianPengo]

@@Noperare Wait hang on a second didn’t they already released the remaster of part 2 or is this like what they did with the first where they remastered it for the ps4 but then made it again on ps5 and called it part 1 with the game improvements of part 2

[@Noperare]

@@ViridianPengo Sh*t, you are right! The TLOU2 remaster already came out 19 jan this year. If even I that is terminally online missed the release, I guess nobody bothered to check what was remastered and saw it as just a PS5 port.

[@sirshotty7689]

@@Noperarebloodborne fans in the deepest depths of despair watching Sony remaster tlou for the nth time.

[@abhilashyadav2274]

*Martin Scorsese refused to direct the Joker part 1 . He said he already made this movie decades ago in the form of Taxi Driver and The King of comedy*

[@Catalyst2812]

Okey, but can we talk about how seamless that sponsorship was😭

[@SuperGamingAli]

A Joker sequel could’ve worked amazingly. This shows Warner Bros. absolute failure in leadership and not thinking of the fanbase behind their highest grossing films.

[@jasperzanovich2504]

It could also have worked with him dying at the end, just not like this. Something like he escapes, gathers followers but then gets shot on stage by someone trying to stop him or his fangirl or whatever. As Arthur is bleeding out he starts to laugh which in turn makes his killer laugh and the entire audience starts laughing. Arthur has a wide grin on his face as he dies and at that point you do a callback to how his mother always said he was supposed to make people laugh.

[@punkindhouse08]

oh fuck the 'fanbase' once and for all.

[@fatuusdottore]

Yep.

[@OXNARD-805]

it would been a real movie it they didn't make it a singing musical and made it real movie cause once I noticed this movie was a musical I rage quit and walked out the movie theater see my comment to know more

[@punkindhouse08]

@OXNARD-805 that sounds like a 'you problem', I'm afraid

[@COCO-tm3gp]

Real talk, I don’t think I’ve ever witnessed a more fascinating disaster in my life. I have never seen a comic book movie so ashamed to be a comic book movie, a musical so ashamed to be a musical, a film so ashamed of its protagonist like this. It undid everything remotely interesting about its predecessor. This is as cowardly as sequels get. Putting aside corporate blunders like refusing test screenings, Todd Philips saying the idea for this movie came to him in a dream is some genuinely unheard of shit. And the box office bomb following the cultural reset of the first film make all failures even more catastrophic.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

It was Phoenix who said that about a dream, and thats still pretty sad, my dreams are a lot more interesting than this. Couple days ago I had a dream where I had to go back to my hometown and break into my parents house to get something while being chased by a zombie infestation and the military with tanks for some reason, now that would be a good movie.

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

"Unheard of"? Man, Bob Altman's masterpiece 3 Women came to him from a dream.

[@lubue5795]

@@TheSuperappelflap The thing is, dreams are really not good at writing scripts because dreams manipulate your emotions, thinking and memories in ways you could never manipulate your audience. In a dream, you can feel things, know things and expect things without any logic or reason to it which simply doesn't work for movies. So for a dream to be a good movie, you need to capture what makes that dream awesome and build a believable and interesting story around it. Take your dream as an example. What you describe would be a fun scene but the issues is what are the circumstances that lead up to that scene? Why would you, probably some average guy, be so important during a zombie apocalypse that the military would rather chase you than protect the civilians? What is that thing you have to get? Why is it important and why is it at your parents home? Why even is there a zombie infestation? If you can answer those questions and tie the answers together to form a cohesive story, you might be looking at a good film. However, if you cannot then the movie will be another of those bad zombie movies with shitty story and terrible writing. And the issue with Joker 2 is that it precisely didn't manage that. The idea of having a court scene or a interview with the Joker is not bad, as it would give you a lot of interesting glimpses into who he is and why he does what he does. I mean, the heath ledgers Joker is so iconic because he has some really unique takes and the first Joker movie also pulled the "joker in an interview" off in a very succesfully way. The issue in Joker 2, is the story they built around the ideas.

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

@@lubue5795 As wild as dreams could get, I think lucid dreamers could try to rope them into coherence. I got a cousin, whose waking hours spent watching more movies than me, and he got a dream and wrote it down into a script. The only tweaks were minor backstories for the some characters and some staging for the POV. Kinda crazy. I know this is for real because him reciting the whole ass plot summary was the first fcking thing he did as soon as he wakes up.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

@lubue5795 the thing to be got is just some valuable stuff that means a lot to the family, can be anything, as long as its believable someone would risk their life for it. Maybe the main characters house and belongings get blown up or overran by zombies and he needs to get to the family jewelry or antiques to trade them for food. Easy to make something up. The zombies are there because of whatever, virus, genetic engineering, portal from another world, doesn't matter much either what specifically. the military sets up an exclusion zone and shoots potentially infected civilians and wants to contain things until they get the politicians to agree to nuke their own country, in the meantime they shoot at anything in range that moves, there ya go. Simple movie without magical mcguffins, with an emotional hook, plenty of action, doesn't try to insult the audience.

[@raventamer99]

I've always found Joaquin Phoenix to be a great actor, but seriously: saying this movie came to him in a dream is something Steven Seagal would say. lmao

[@ShadowSonic2]

He was pretty bad in Napoleon

[@AVTechTips]

Yeah maybe he should have realized, when you think about it. most dreams are total nonsense when you try to summarize them in a narrative.

[@subaru4920]

I call a sequel that can't shut up about the original a Legend of Korra

[@fishyfish6510]

😂

[@HandsomePutin]

Perfect

[@americanpaisareturns9051]

I’m about to watch this abomination. Wish me luck.

[@brandonspain12345]

I love how when the movie came out, it was slammed by critics, fans and audience. But literally a month later, people are suddenly acting like it's a "misunderstood masterpiece that people just don't get" out of nowhere. 🤣

[@jasperzanovich2504]

Who is acting like that? All I have seen is people craping all over it.

[@MrAdvisor-C]

@@jasperzanovich2504 People in this comments section. They think it's some kind of meta-commentary about making a spectacle about the mentally ill, flipping off the 2% of the audience that misunderstood the first film and showing how Arthur was never the Joker. This film has a mentally ill man get gang r$aped for shock value and tries to dramatically disect the first film's story through a revisionist lens. It also shows said man getting stabbed to death by the "real Joker" who was inspired by him, which, by this film's logic, makes him an even bigger loser.

[@thesixfootsixexperience8781]

Your pitch for a Harley-centered film actually sounds so cool

[@ilznidiotic]

I agree, but I can already hear the meninists squealing about female characters hijacking a man's story or whatever. It wouldn't have sold.

[@thesixfootsixexperience8781]

@ very true.

[@itschris2628]

I don’t mind Moviement I just think your voice and comedy is iconic and anything else is had to listen to no matter who it is.

[@edwardzod3183]

Cutting out the supporting actor completely would already bring it up entirely.

[@crimsonlilac6870]

I love filmento! Honestly, I missed a couple of videos because moviemento took over. Please stay! If you need rest, then rest, we can wait.

[@T0NYMANUEL]

In joker2 the real clowns are the audience who actually paid to go and see the show

[@garfrockbreadtroll]

icl, i expected moviemento this time, this was a nice surprise

[@shanel4294]

I forgot about moviemento, then the comments reminded me

[@DumbNumbThumb]

That ad integration was next level, holy moly! I didn't even realize it was an ad until half way in; thought it was just a bit that you were doing. Oh, and the analysis was exdcellent too, of course XD

[@Pablojunior2006]

This movie could’ve been a concise email. There’s nothing of value here. It’s not even shit writing. There’s no writing here. Joker finds a girl, bangs her, goes to court, fires his lawyer, gets raped, says there is no joker, court blows up and dies. I just spoiled the entire movie lmfao. Wow, that was actually horrible

[@lenastorm6280]

10:25 No fr! My 2 most repeated thoughts during this movie were: "Man, this is boring." and "Where is his laught??" In the first movie he had this condition that forced him to laugh uncontrolably, it looked painfull. But here he barley laughs at all!

[@TheKaijuKing54]

This movie suggests that the Joker is not just a person, but rather an idea that anyone can adopt. I‘m not a fan of this. Unlike characters such as Green Lantern or Iron Fist, the Joker is a specific individual. It's frustrating to know that the two Joker films weren’t even about the Joker. It’s just so stupid to me. Anyway, are you ever gonna cover Godzilla Minus One?

[@NewMitchell-wh3fj]

See, you could make an interesting movie about the "real" Joker who sees Arthur, sees the way people respond to him in the first movie, and then in his jealousy of Arthur (similar to Arthur's jealousy in the first movie) kills Arthur and assumes the Joker moniker and then creates that whole concept about the Joker being "an idea", purely as a branding thing to explain to the Joker Cult why Arthur wasn't required. Then you end with a properly jovially insane Joker grinning manically just before he begins to unleash chaos upon Gotham

[@Shannon4710]

Spider-Man was also just a specific person until they decided to change that.

[@RafitoOoO]

Spider-Man is also a specific individual. His name is Peter Parker.

[@cholze9146]

Many Joker 2 fans make a comments like “Todd kinda subtly telling us how he hate to make this sequel”. BUT, there’s no reason to ruin all of character development that we love in the first movie!!! Your job is to create movies that is at least can be watchable , not just dishing out a pure garbage and making an excuse.

[@silverhunter8149]

This is possibly Filmento's best intro. The first 20 seconds of this 0:00, completely sums up the entire movie.

[@RobertReg1]

You are good at being constructive. Cleatly wtated, you do this so studios can learn how to avoid backstabbing thrir audiences

[@Vicerel]

I appreciate the calmness that never acknowledges the memes or visual jokes, makes them quite a bit more entertaining, and the energy that you might think is missing i can perceive in the video editing which is the opposite of calm.

[@smirky101]

Thanks for breaking down the weaknesses in the narrative, because you're spot on: Not much at all happens in this movie, and it does kind of unwind what happened in the first joker. Despite what anyone thinks about hidden meaning or some kind of thematic message, this movie is boring to watch, because there just isn't anything actually going on.

[@One.Zero.One101]

Agreed. A courtroom drama is similar to a detective story wherein you find out bits of information as you go along, impacting the development of the case. In this movie however, we already knew everything we need to know, we already know the defendant is guilty. So the audience just sits there like watching an unskipable cutscene.

[@One_step_above_is_here]

We, the people, demand an end to the corruption of both Movie and Film Mentos. We stand in solidarity with theatre-mento. #freeTheatreMento

[@nikolasnavarro4161]

I hate how people always neglect MotionPictureMento

[@BranBal]

What about GameMento? When it's gonna be his turn? 😮

[@bluevanga30]

​@@BranBal Im still waiting for ExcreMento

[@hunterkiller1440]

I like that idea of raising a crazy Joker baby.

[@TheLadyIntegra]

I swear sometimes your ad reads are so fckn slick I just find myself grinning from ear to ear through the whole thing. Usually I can see them coming like 'oh you!' but this one freaking got me and I was slow to catch on 😂 I love it so much, my respect for the smoothness of that hustle literally makes me want to spend money. And yeah, no hate to Moviemento - I'd probably subscribe to him if he had his own channel. But I'm subbed to YOU for your personality, and your personality comes out through your voice. I don't wanna lose the guy I'm subbed to is all, that would make me very sad 🥰

[@dman6261]

If you write this as a personal vendetta from director and main actor against the studio, is a better story than the movie itself

[@Duke_of_Salt]

I love when Film and Movie are both involved. The duality between your different energy levels is great. It’s always nice when you get a different voice of opinion in the mix when you talk about movies. I want both of you.

[@leonardorivelorivelo9253]

8:32 This was so specific that if I didn't knew the story you were referring I wouldn't laugh

[@Parkour855]

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[@al_terart]

On god, eu entrei em choque com o quão aleatório foi KKKKKKKKKK

[@Maxwel_Rodrigues]

Famoso Tio Paulo 😂😂😂 E a agência onde aconteceu esse caso é a mesma que meu pai usava há uns 10 anos atrás 😂😂😂

[@Gabriel_Aires]

Brazil mentioned

[@305Spartin]

that first 20 seconds sums it up perfect

[@mrbadguy5040]

I would love if Moviemento made some appearances

[@Hamsteak]

At 19:34, you couldn't be more true 👏👌

[@TopcatsLair]

Dude, that doomlings plug was so smooth. And I love your concept for a Harley Quinn movie. Gaga could have pulled that off and then some.

[@JohnathanJannenga69]

This has to be one of the times that a video has been so close to the movies release

[@attercops]

Been waiting for your video, the editing 20 seconds in is already worth the wait lol.

[@con566]

I walked out of the theater right after the clip he showed at 0:00

[@Marty_Destroyer_of_Worlds]

I could totally believe some shadow organization made Joker 2 bad on purpose because of the real world ripples Joker 1 made

[@Mustafa_AhmedPGH]

I like how I've seen two different movie analysis channels propose a better version of the Joker 2 story, and both of them involve Joker's relationship with Harley.

[@mondruner]

What is the other channel?

[@NWB-NerdyWhileBlack]

I didnt mind Moviemento too much. But he isnt Filmento. And honestly glad you're back.

[@sour1020]

That is an insanely smart ad placement omg

[@NickCammilleri]

Your voice is half the reason I watch these videos. Keep going!