Joker - How to Make Evil Likable | Film Perfection

2019's Joker is a strange film in the sense that its one and only protagonist is the furthest thing from a traditional hero as can be -- he's a bad guy. Yet, despite all the evil acts Joaquin Phoenix's Arthur Fleck in this Todd Phillips movie commits, the audience never turns on him and instead keeps staying on his side. In today's award winning episode of everyone's favorite show Film Perfection, let's see how this is made possible. Not sure how it will work in Joker 2 though, if we get one.
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Joker (2019)
In an unsettling origin story, Arthur Fleck (Joaquin Phoenix) exists on the fringes of society and is utterly ignored by others. His outcast existence begins to take a toll on his mental state, his narrative an unnerving study on the joker neighbor murray show scene watch joker full movie online free everything wrong with joker honest trailer video essay everything great in joker clown joker laugh scene joker clip 4k hd you get what you f deserve extent to which a person can unravel. Written and directed by Todd Phillips, co-starring Robert De Niro.
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Venom (2018)
Director Ruben Fleischer’s superhero film revolves around the chaotic exploits of the Marvel Comics villain of the same name. Tom Hardy stars as Eddie Brock, a journalist who becomes the host of an alien symbiote - acquiring superhuman abilities and a malevolent alter-ego in the process - while investigating the true nature of the secretive experiments conducted by the unethical leader of the Life Foundation (Riz Ahmed)

[@Filmento]

And no... what Todd Phillips "says" in interviews outside of the movie isn't something I consider to be part of the movie. That's not how movies work.

[@avortigaunt3922]

Good

[@Kyroro97]

To me it makes sense that he just didn't do it because he committed atrocities because he felt a feeling of retaliation on who did him wrong, but recognized those that never did him harm like the short guy that he let go even after he witnessed him killing his ex-colleague.

[@SOLIDSNAKES35]

Filmento it’s been confirmed in multiple places and from the release of the script that he didn’t kill his neighbor.

[@have_a_good_day420]

Filmento Filmento He didn’t kill his neighbor, at least, there’s no reason to think so. Example: At the end of the film, when he does the final walk down the hall, his shoes are bloody. That’s a hint that he either killed the therapist lady, or at least left her bloodied. There was no hint at all that he killed his neighbor. There is no reason to think so other than your own speculation. But your speculation is not based on any actual clues. So it would be better for you to leave that part out of your analysis because it’s not backed by anything. Usually you’re good at making points that are backed by something substantial.

[@Idonthaveanynickname]

Yes, what director says in interviews is not part of the movie. But "Joker kills neighbor" also not part of the movie. So that part of your analysis just don't seems right. Him killing her does not made audience stop liking Arthur cuz we never seen him killing her. I guess it was more about how in this moment Joker craziness stopped being sad and become creepy.

[@katewalker1670]

i really liked the metaphor of the stairs : each day he went up trying to be sane but in the end he finally accepted who he was, went insane and came dancing down

[@mr.skellix7197]

Well said.

[@John-lu2ql]

i agree but i look at it a little more symbolically. the stairs represent life in the sense of ease. it’s harder to go up the stairs. it’s harder to suppress your emotions so that you can still try to make yourself better. it’s harder to be nice than it is to be evil. it’s easier to go down those stairs and to spiral into madness, except to him and apparently to most of us watching, it’s justified

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@John-lu2ql well said. fantastic movie.

[@rachmatzulfiqar]

It's like "going to hell, with style"

[@ebaugh7320]

Hmm, I didn't notice that before. Thanks for pointin it out

[@TH3F4LC0Nx]

Heath Ledger Joker: the mad dog who bites without provocation. Joaquin Phoenix Joker: the kicked dog who finally bites back.

[@hugogarza1820]

Well that’s not exactly true, Heath Ledgers joker is a lot like Arthur, he explains in the movie how society is broken and morality is nothing but a joke that people refuse to accept, and he creates chaos to force people to accept it

[@TuanTran-vp8gf]

Look up the ex-military theory on The Dark Knight's Joker. Although only a theory, it does paint Ledger's character as more of a victim than a villian. A soldier who loses his closes friends and left permanently disfigured because he follow ORDER. A man who returns home to a crumbling city and a man dressed as a bat. A person that throughout the movie actually succeeds in fixing the city, although through CHAOS. Nolan rarely sets the dinner table for his guest. Rather he hands them a shotgun and tells them to hunt for it.

[@straightedge7304]

TH3 F4LC0N Jared Leto joker: the dog nobody wants

[@DVCVMVS]

Two very different ideologies taken by each character. Ledger's Joker puts himself at risk for the ambition of showing that all of humanity is sick and twisted. If I recall, he personally only kills 2-3 people, his goal is to erode the delusion that "white knights" and morality/loyalty/honor exist. Arthur's Joker is only really concerned with those things directly impacting him personally,. He never considers the aftermath of his decisions until, arguably, the end of the film...albeit that you could argue he doesn't truly understand it then, either.

[@adonas3903]

ledger = Chichuahua

[@yashkasardekar5411]

" *Every villain is a hero in his own story* " Joker is the best example of this sentence.

[@faust6837]

coincidentally it was batman from Injustice 2 who said that (I think?)

[@omeloithemarshmallow7663]

Junior Grimes k

[@Sub5_77]

I'M A GOD DAMN HERO!

[@leroyvermilion7708]

@@Juniorgrimes BRO WHAT?... DM ME ....@LEROY_1DON

[@598superchris]

I can totally relate to that

[@Deathstrider]

"The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth"

[@CrèmeTropBrûlée]

We are all thinking “damn true” to ur comment and still we keep ignoring people more unhappy and more unlucky than us

[@serafinschaller1688]

Damn, that's one hell of a quote! What's it from?

[@xxxmetalslugga5349]

@@serafinschaller1688 black panther is where its from

[@pinheadlarry1977]

@@serafinschaller1688 it's an African proverb

[@ashtonstired]

found the guy who copy and pasted what another guy copy and pasted in another joker video

[@soruvfrancis6210]

To be fair, if Arthur didn’t kill the last guy on that subway he would still have gotten a life sentence, even though he killed the other two in self defense. These guys were rich and Arthur... well you saw his apartment. There is no way in hell he would have been able to afford a good enough lawyer.

[@DVCVMVS]

Even with a good attorney, the first would have been justifiable homicide, then second manslaugther (given the situation had deescalated after the first shot), and murder for the 3rd (if witnessed) as he continued to attempt to fire after the individual was dead. You could make the argument that there's no way he gets and impartial, or truly peer, jury...but a good defense attorney would work to stack the jury selection with lower income individuals. Any lawyer, good or bad, would have argued his mental faculty, but he isn't so mentally deranged that he doesn't understand the consequences of his actions. Even if a jury could get around all of that, he's still looking at life in an asylum or 5-10 years for justifiable homicide. Would this be different if he were rich? Uh, Batman is considered a dangerous vigilantly by near every judicial official aside from Gordon. He just has the resources/training to evade capture.

[@Jessie_Helms]

Soruv Francis if he’d only killed the first guy then the woman could have been his witness of self defense. But if I remember right she ran away once the second guy got shot

[@Jessie_Helms]

Jon Hagel it depends on the state too. In any state with a castle law, or just about any self-defense laws, the first kill wasn’t illegal at all, as it was cut and dry self defense. The second would be questionable but probably not ‘murder’ (I forget the term for when it’s an intentional kill but isn’t as severe). And I think regardless the third would always be considered a cut and dry murder as he chased him down and emptied his gun into him.

[@jazz-cat00]

@@Jessie_Helms the woman wasn't in the room when it happened, she moved over to the next car once joker started laughing didn't she?

[@Jessie_Helms]

Jazzcat00 I thought it was once the first guy got shot. Could be wrong though.

[@marcolollio6445]

He didnt kill the neighbor, he was just sad when he realized it was all fake

[@frealms]

He was trying to seek comfort in his fake relationship. The fantasy broke down when she reminded him of the child, which probably didn't sit well with what he learned happened in his own childhood. I don't think he did either, would not fit his mentality so far. The sirens and police activity could be just usual Gotham or a neighbor who called and she wisely decided not to make anything out of it (hardly something would come out of it and given where she lives, I'm sure she knows that could probably just trigger him into actually doing something).

[@АнуЖин-п8ц]

@@frealms its gotham. police siren is always sounding. there is literally nothing that says he killed her , but essayist just assumes she killed her and explained why it is weird thing??? like wtf

[@wadetisthammer3612]

@@АнуЖин-п8ц I can kind of see it with the ominous fingers to the head and the police lights, but yeah. The case for it is really weak.

[@laclika13chico]

This guy didn’t understand the movie or just didn’t care just so he can make this video lol

[@境零度]

This

[@notoriouswhitemoth]

The "laughing condition" is a real medical condition: pseudo-bulbar affect. It's less laughing in the conventional sense, more *extremely painful muscle spasms* in response to anxiety.

[@scarlettdamante4945]

I'm so glad you added that it's triggered by anxiety. It was so obvious in the film its driving me crazy how many reviews say the laughing is "completely random"

[@MorganScorpion]

Similar to Tourettes?

[@notoriouswhitemoth]

@@MorganScorpion I wouldn't be surprised

[@wozamigamez592]

Wait so, his anxiety was the one controlling his Laughter. Now That is Mental.

[@notoriouswhitemoth]

@@wozamigamez592 laughter is expression of relief, it's _always_ a response to anxiety - it's literally triggered by endorphins, the same chemicals that cause feelings of relief, the ones opium simulates. People laugh because they're nervous, surprised, embarrassed, relieved something bad didn't happen to them, or relieved something bad has ended.

[@SiddharthShenoy]

Arthur really blew Murray's mind with that joke.

[@747simmer4]

booo

[@elsoldaditodelpomo3662]

He not only blew his mind but also his brain away :D

[@dhananjayvasudeva7628]

@@elsoldaditodelpomo3662 mind=brain

[@codywright7932]

Gonna put some sand in your eye

[@Jonnyanomaly1986]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahsaaaaaa

[@nick6253]

I think everyone is on Arthur's side because they're conscious that they, the viewer, could've gone down the same path if they had the same life Arthur had.

[@sosea_exe]

Counter point, people have empathy, which is why we side with a guy who has mental problems and is being bullied because of it. If you saw yourself going down the same path, you may need therapy.

[@nick6253]

@@sosea_exe yeah that's a good point. I'm not necessarily saying people are going down the same path, all I'm saying is, it's scary to think what would happen if we had those same circumstances in our lives. It'd break a LOT of people.

[@calleocho2107]

Nick yeah I think both of you guys are right tbh. People are usually empathic and some people have really thought about how dark and dangerous they will become if given a harsh path. The WWII nazis committing genocide is a good example of what you were trying to say.

[@ImmaLittlePip]

@@sosea_exe People have empathy Woke Twitter doesn't (see the whole new guy meme situation)

[@imrockhardrnbutanyways493]

@@sosea_exe if you had the same life as joker it's not too far off to say you'd do the same, joker was contemplating suicide, that was his first plan, which would've been many others plan, but he chose revenge instead of suicide, which is honestly a better option in my opinion

[@ooodatsgottahurt1625]

You missed a death. At the end he walks out of the office he's being interviewed in some sort of mental ward, he's treading blood down the corridor.

[@pepomega]

The thing is that , that happens at the very end of the movie, when its implied that he already become the joker.

[@ooodatsgottahurt1625]

@@pepomega You could also say that now he's killed people he has all the meds and psychiatrists he could possibly want but when he needed them at the start of the film they didn't really care and they were cutting the program.

[@magic75450]

As filmento said, it works for two reasons: 1) We didn't see him actually killing her. 2) She treated him badly. She didn't really care about him. Sure, she wasn't a bully, but she didn't help him in any way. She didn't really listen to him.

[@pepomega]

@@magic75450 but he refers to the last therapyst

[@UnderscoreJohs]

That is part of the epilogue and in the video he stated he would be excluding the epilogue

[@ElSuperRico]

What I understood was Sophie was the only person in his life who truly mattered to him, who treated him like an actual person and gave him happiness. Like a crutch in his life. The realization that it was all in his head meant he had nothing left. Nothing to tether him down to to sanity, to stop him from falling off the deep end

[@faust6837]

in his desperation for anything that's good in his shitty life, she became the "only good thing" in Arthur's life, and then the illusion shattered, and that came from a one time interaction in an elevator

[@Metado42069]

he didnt kill sophie

[@kyunikoi]

@@Metado42069 Correct, and even the director/writer stated as much. I never even considered that he might've until this video so idk why this channel seems convinced that he did.

[@Metado42069]

@@kyunikoi yea

[@jaideepshekhar4621]

@@kyunikoi Didn't he exactly tell you why he killed her in this video?

[@kellyevenorth]

He didn’t start a movement through his actions. He reacted to people attacking him on the subway. The MEDIA started the movement by misreporting what happened and why. He then embraced the label the media gave him.

[@sillykatja8457]

Thank you, I was thinking the same thing. Arthur never stated any political opinion, nor did he tell enyone else to do anything agains anyone else (as in, he never told the poor people to act out violently against the 1%ers). It was, as you said, the media that took one action, and twisted it to promote their own narrative. This is also why I would argue that Filmento is wrong when he states that Arthur/Joker is resposible for the death of the Waynes (and the riot over all). Arthur never said anything in regards to how he wanted people to act. He never tried to inspire or start up any riot, or social movements, or anythibg of the sort. Arthur only wanted his own, personal, revenge on the bullies on the train, and on Murry, and since he was give the means to enact his revenge, (having a gun on his person, and being invited to the show), he whent thru with them. It was not his fault that others decided to put their own interpetation/menaing on his actions. Others were inspired by what he did, but he never ment to inspire anyone to copy him/his actions. To say that Arthur is responsible for the murder of the Waynes, would inply that Arthur then should have the responsebility of the actions that someone else did on their own volition. The only one that should be held acountable for the murder of the Wayns, is the one guy that pulled the trigger on them, for he was the one that made the decission, and who commited tha act. No one, especially not Arthur, told the guy to do it. Arthur did something that others were inspired by, but he never did anything to inspire others. The difference is huge, and should never be considered interchangeable.

[@catwearingshades]

yep, “I don’t believe in any of that, I don’t believe in anything” “Do I look like the kind of clown that can start a movement?” It just shows that Joker is pure nihilism. Nothing good ever comes out of that. I think someone should make a video about that tbh

[@glif1360]

Am I the only one, who saw a parallels between Arthur-Murray and Folk-Wane relations?

[@arohk4415]

Ye, it's all fake news.

[@williansnobre]

He still felt some pride from being the catalyst for the movement

[@dmua9551]

>Not even a single second into the video "SOCIETY" now this is someone who gets Joker

[@bearship9]

We do indeed live

[@felipesilva3732]

Oh boy, isnt it

[@princeblasian3735]

Or its just a meme that people refer Joker as the Society movie

[@friedlemons5201]

"Coming soon to a dank river valley near you."

[@curtandrewsjr.8163]

Bernardo Mazonave In

[@neoxenoz3262]

Long story short: The bullied quiet kid at the back of the class is more likable when you see his whole picture

[@yashkaliapiano]

There's depth to that bro!

[@OrlandoMGarcia]

Well is a person you know, just because is not same as you doesnt mean is to treat him like a an animal or object, if you do eventually will become it. That the whole picture of it, you cant trow people in society and expect survival when they dont see more that themselves as people

[@starcrafter13terran]

And sometimes the bully is a really sad person who never got attention.

[@kl16863]

Or u can be nice so u don’t get shot

[@uneterostardust8233]

@@starcrafter13terran Or a power hungry asshole. Yes some bullies do bad things 'becs sednes', but the majority are just assholes who willingly do it for the sake of power, arrogance, etc...

[@divyenjoshi1168]

How to make a film contain one of the greatest performances of our time: Cast Joaquin Phoenix as lead.

[@admiralamel9563]

joaquin only gonna casting to your movie if the he sure the movie will turn out good so yeah, no.

[@samthemannospam4010]

Unless you also have John Travolta like Ladder 49

[@ewan7746]

Can you cast a sword out of molten joaqin phoenix?

[@kingDowahs]

Except for Napoleon

[@divyenjoshi1168]

@@kingDowahs Haha well I haven't seen it, but I'm sure he was far from bad and it was the film as a whole that lacked quality.

[@paytonyoder1260]

He defended himself on the subway until it came to the third guy. That’s when it was no longer about defending himself.

[@mrdonut3382]

Instead of killing himself He finished what he started.

[@narutospersona426]

The first two were arguably self-defense but the third one was second degree murder

[@ultimobw]

"Destroy your enemies completely, or they will recover and seek revenge" - 48 laws of power

[@coltranebartlett590]

I agree that it was unlawful but it was hella deserved.

[@dracomet2097]

He was defending himself against having a live witness reporting the crime and throwing him in jail.

[@webkilla]

13:00 - I did not in any way get the impression that he killed his neighbor. He had a delusion of a relationship, but didn't kill her once that bubble burst

[@SirHirnschaden]

exactly his breakdown was his realisation of insanity about the only sane thing he had.

[@redmonkey477]

I'm about 8 months late but this video is the first time I've ever heard of Arthur killing his neighbor. I always viewed his breakdown as realising it was all a hallucination, and how the only person who cared about him was a stranger to him in reality.

[@SirHirnschaden]

@@redmonkey477 it is. Even the crew pointed that out. Only our big boy here tell something differnt. With no proof. There is no clue for that. Bcs every kill joker did was at least hinted in some way.

[@Corn_Pone_Flicks]

@@redmonkey477 Yeah, that's exactly what I thought. I can see how some could infer that. Not every film event is clear-cut. Is Deckard a Replicant? Is Cobb still dreaming? However, I didn't see enough here to set up that kind of ambiguity.

[@STARPIG]

Yea, the director himself said that, no he didn't kill the neighbour.

[@SiddharthShenoy]

Props to my man for not talking about society even once in a Joker video.

[@punitshukla5550]

Master Skywalker what are you doing here?

[@villerintanthillith1762]

@@punitshukla5550 looking for younglings

[@melinatedthinka8210]

What’s wrong with talking about society. People in Gotham City are quiet strange.

[@michaelnorman4]

We truly do live in a society

[@RAYMOND75600]

@@michaelnorman4 yes we do Bruce

[@RastaGamesful]

I am sure that after the Joker, big studios should think about creating solo films about villains and not do the typical struggle between good and evil. Presenting everything in gray tones. Where there is no black and white, like the Witcher world for example.

[@tanmayjain5385]

I've only seen the show but isn't Nilfgaard evil ?

[@RoastTurkey101]

I agree but I can also see studios taking the wrong message from it and just give us solo villain movies that lack comic book elements. Joker works because it's a man beaten by society who eventually retaliates, it doesn't need comic book elements and neither does Joker (the character) to work. But a movie about Lex Luthor being a plain old corrupt businessman who lacks the presence of Superman doesn't work as well, because then it's JUST a movie about a corrupt businessman and that's not as interesting. That's my take at least.

[@Slithy]

And their movies will still be shit because they only ever care about copying external aspects without giving a second thought to substance.

[@RastaGamesful]

@@tanmayjain5385 In the eyes of the Northern Kingdoms, they are invaders. This is only the 1-st season so most likely in the future we will be presented with a kinder side of Nilfgaard.

[@lordodysseus]

I think A Song of Ice and Fire is a better example, maybe because I prefer it over most other stories. Despite what Joffrey, Ramsay, and Euron do, you can find some sort of justification for their shittiness, no matter how bad the justification is. Ned isn't perfect either. Nor Robb. Their actions get them killed, no matter how good or bad. As for The Witcher, I haven't read the books, but I played the 3rd game and watched the show, and from what I've heard about the books, Geralt is Gerry Stu.

[@Norman_Fleming]

Stating he was a 'bad guy', nooo, he became a bad guy.

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

He's still not a bad guy.

[@achilleasgeorgiou7853]

@@TheStraightestWhitest He murdered like.. 6 people? Yes he did become a bad guy

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

@@achilleasgeorgiou7853 Murder is only murder because a group of pencil necks said it was. Every single one of those deaths made the world a better place.

[@achilleasgeorgiou7853]

@@TheStraightestWhitest First of all, there is a reason people cannot be judge jury and executioner in real life. And no, someone getting you fired from your job does not deserve death. Someone mocking you on a tv show does not deserve death.

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

@@achilleasgeorgiou7853 Well I disagree. It's not about what they did, it's about why they did it. You're also seriously undermining what they did, no doubt to reinforce your argument. Also, you say there's a reason, but you don't say what that reason is. Go on, tell me. I think the only one who should ever be allowed to play judge jury and executioner is the one that was wronged. The law doesn't work. It doesn't keep people from being raped, robbed or murdered, yet it keeps the rapist, robbers and murderers safe afterwards.

[@Gloromo]

Honestly, the Scene where he read the file about his mother and cried while laughing got me so hard..

[@rebelpilot7015]

You do you...

[@redmonkey477]

This comment needs better wording I think...

[@prowthegamer]

I have such a dirty mind...

[@TheGamingKamikaze]

@@redmonkey477 lol when I read it I thought it in a normal mind, but when you said it I fucking laughed.

[@tonywilliamson-bruscaglia3070]

Man, I know they say if you can think of it there's porn of it, but I haven't been able to find any porn for this. Well done.

[@samhawkins6543]

Nice dark Knight reference "I'm just a dog chasing cars" 6:43

[@bangeranginretroman3064]

Came here to say this

[@jumpiestudios5265]

I just watched the movie for rhe first time and I really don't see him having killed his neighbor. To me this reads more like him coming into her apartment for comfort but then by the way she addresses him realizing he only imagined his relationship with her and then running back to his appartment to break down over this realization. We never even see anything he might've used as a weapon, we don't see any blood on him or anything. There's nothing really actively suggesting he did anything to her, so it's really just purely the viewer interpreting what admittably is very vague.

[@magic8269]

ye

[@d-fens5866]

Yeah this was my interpretation as well. I do t think he killed her. I just think realizing she didn’t see him the way he saw her was the last straw and he decided to spiral. But since she didn’t directly screw him over I doubt highly he would’ve killed her considering all his victims maliciously tried to hurt him or embarrass him.

[@darkthunder2776]

@@d-fens5866 I think he was just mentally gone at that point.

[@majed8192]

This is exactly what I thought, Joker will evidently down the line become the cold blooded killer that we know, but during the course of this movie he acts under the banner of being the righteous one, punishing the "awful" ones, giving them "what they deserve", so under what assumption people have decided he killed the neighbor?

[@nuwiwbobo]

He didn't, I'm pretty sure the producers confirmed it

[@brycejohnson8486]

He didn’t actually kill his neighbor, they were gonna have a scene where joker was on the murray franklin show and his neighbor was watching it on tv, but they cut it out because they wanted the movie to be from aurthers pov, and showing her watching tv with her daughter would ruin that

[@jeffreytackett3922]

That scene doesn't establish any redemption, and therefore has to be establishing further evil. Otherwise, there's no purpose to having it in the movie. He killed her.

[@macsenstavrakis205]

@@jeffreytackett3922 It was confirmed in the script he didn't kill her, what are you talking about?

[@jeffreytackett3922]

As I've said ... either he killed her, or Todd Phillips is a moron. The scene doesn't do anything, if he didn't kill her. It doesn't mean anything. It doesn't change, advance, or establish anything. Either he killed her, or Todd Phillips wasted time on an irrelevant storyline and multiple scenes. If that's how he wants to play it, that's fine. I believe the writers created a scene in which she was killed off-camera.

[@TheoEvian]

@@jeffreytackett3922 1. The scene works even if he doesnt kill her (I actually never understood it as him killing her and nobody I know did). It establishes him in two ways: his fantasy turns out to be fake, his real neighbour is a lot different from his fake fantasy girlfriend. It takes away from him any way of escape, while it seemed for a bit he might stabilise, now we see he is totally on his own with nobody to turn to. Secondly, it shows again his terrible suicidal tendencies thus now we expect him to perform an extended murder suicide. 2. This problem is unresolvable from inside of the fictional world. There just isnt enough material provided by the narator to the reader about the ontological state of the world. We can interpret it two ways and neither can be disproven from inside of the work. So both interpretations are valid and that is why people go onto paratext: what is written in the script, what did Todd Phillips say, what scenes weren't included in the end and so forth.

[@macsenstavrakis205]

@@TheoEvian Well said!

[@TheBANDEDPITTA]

Sophie wasn’t killed Todd Phillips said himself.

[@Porlarta]

Lol Filmento lives in a nice neighborhood, must not be used to hearing police sirens

[@Dextuh-x9p]

Bold and Brash a light skin joker?

[@Gaming_Legend2]

well, then showing the cops its a questionable decision after that scene, they should have not shown that so the idea was clear

[@7dfive105]

Yes, we know. Filmento said he talked about it for the sake of argument.

[@thepunisher3160]

Todd Phillips is a joke

[@verycoolpotato]

Arthur legit scared me throughout the movie, so unpredictable

[@Islandkid679]

And is the Joker exactly

[@kernel7428]

"they couldn't carry a tune to save their lives"

[@napoleoncorneliusscipio5141]

@Lucius Fawkes but I know that won't let me down Cause this fine old world, it keeps spinning around

[@horstlechner6465]

What does it mean?

[@bongwaterbaptist]

Napoleon Cornelius Scipio one of the guys in the subway was singing a tune.

[@i.pezzotti853]

@@napoleoncorneliusscipio5141 I said That’s Life (That’s Liiiiiiife)

[@mtlhe4d480]

The HUMANIZED someone we called a “villain” for so long. And I love it.

[@shitisreal4046]

Lamar Scrotum Darkwater ? 1917 ? Parasite ? Apollo 11 ? You mean the only one breaking box office

[@mr.dr0bot731]

Humanized for mass shooters and Nazis.

[@wamengxiong0409]

@@mr.dr0bot731 put this into a school environment and we get our school shootings. Empathy is nice and all, but we all still know the action of murder is not morally correct

[@wamengxiong0409]

@@mr.dr0bot731 what we SHOULD take from seeing this movie is: "How can WE prevent THIS from ever occurring?"

[@mtlhe4d480]

What?

[@Lancea1ot]

This is also one of the most beautiful films I've seen, the cinematography is just outstanding.

[@Missjunebugfreak]

My feelings exactly. I kept thinking that as I was watching the film. Almost every frame was art.

[@themoreyouknow7418]

The set dressing was perfect

[@Fightzpike]

Lancea1ot if you like this cinematography, you should watch Midsommar. That movie is absolutely beautiful.

[@gonzalezag]

Who else is happy joker didn’t kill the midget

[@nykv9101]

He probably did, Gary would’ve reported it to the police but they never came, so he probably killed Gary but imagined he didn’t

[@GellertTV]

@@nykv9101 Ohh good point

[@gonzalezag]

The reason I think he survived was that throughout the movie Arthur only kills people who have hurt him in any way. And the midget hasn’t done anything to him (sorry I’m calling him midget I just don’t know his name)

[@nykv9101]

Sam - Good point but Murray is a celebrity they would’ve at least sent a message to the security of the building, not only that but there are people in the audience that are in risk of danger. Another reason is that Arthur was already a suspect (the 2 detectives in the movie questioning him) so the police probably would’ve gotten Arthur so Gary probably would’ve reported it to the police.

[@GellertTV]

@@gonzalezag Gary lol

[@stacin821]

He didn't kill his neighbor. He's breaking down because he realizes that their relationship was all in his head & he's all alone

[@nurse425]

"All it takes is ONE BAD DAY"! -The Joker

[@WillOfMyD]

Well, in this case, it was several bad days.

[@ubeia4857]

@@WillOfMyD Make that several bad years.

[@annusrideviravindran6396]

@@ubeia4857 make it the entire life

[@silverprimus321boi9]

He means one bad day to snap and go psycho

[@Prettymami837]

Stop begging for likes

[@gageunruh3574]

Actually it was revealed that Arthur did NOT kill the neighbor. In a deleted scene its revealed that he didn't kill her and we see her watching the Murray's show. And the writer was asked this and he did say no he did not kill her.

[@7dfive105]

11:25 did you listen to this part?

[@occurredbison]

I will say, when people laugh at you, there's only one thing you could do to irritate them and that is to genuinely laugh harder than they are everytime they laugh at you. Which is why it makes his condition is so perfect

[@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access]

This dug up a deep childhood memory This one kid was taunting me during dodgeball. I was getting madder and madder and sloppier with my throes. Until he started just laughing. The laughing broke my rage. I got so gotdamn angry I ran across the line and pegged him in the stomach point blank Of course it was illegal. Of course I got in trouble. And of course it was really worth it

[@flowerpatchtoons1101]

@@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access lmao

[@pr_disaster2238]

I definitely wouldn’t say I was on Arthur’s side by the end of the film. In my opinion, he’s a perfect representation of the tragic hero. I didn’t hate him by the end. I felt bad for him; but I also found him terrifying. That bloody smile he put on while standing on the cop car at the end was bone-chilling; and his demeanor in the final scene sold the idea that this was not a man you’d want to be in the same room with. They really did a great job transforming him from a pitiful, sad man to the villain we all know. In the end, I couldn't possibly condone his actions (I don’t see how anyone can). I wouldn’t stand by him. I wouldn’t try to defend what he did, but I understand how he got to where he ended up, and I pity him for it.

[@wozamigamez592]

It exactly shows on thing, How Joker Was created and how Batman was created because of him.

[@jeffreytackett3922]

To be fair, most of the reason that the audience doesn't "turn against him", is because he is a character who has been developed for decades previously, and is known to be evil/insane from the outset. It's not like we are just meeting him, for the first time. Everyone knows, going in, that he's going to become the Joker of the previous movies, cartoons, and comic books. In essence, we are all against him already, but seeing how he becomes what he is, is satisfying. At least there's a reason for it, rather than just insanity. This is also the exact reason that I don't believe all of the "he imagined it all" theories. If everything was imagined, then why bother? It takes away from the depth of the character, and minimizes his struggle, entirely. If he's just insane, then nobody can identify with him. If he was pushed over the edge, we can all imagine it being possible. This would be like suddenly finding out that Superman was getting paid by the government, and wouldn't have helped if he didn't get his paycheck. It's a complete minimization of the character.

[@Dimumouto]

I can see where you're coming from, but all we've known of Joker before this movie was the insane clown prince of crime. But here, we see Arthur Fleck, not Joker (until the end at least). A lot of people like Joker because he's funny (another one of Filmentos videos on Tony Stark says something like you can be a likeable asshole as long as you're -funny-), despite the horrible things he's done, like rape Barbara Gordon or murdering one of the Robins. Or abusing Harley. But here, again, we don't see Joker, we see Arthur Fleck. And many people feel sympathy for the character because of their own personal experiences with similar, but not to the same extreme, situations. Everyone at points has been kicked like a dog and wanted to lash out, so seeing Arthur do so finally is cartharsis. You know what he's doing is wrong, but at the same time, can't help but feel he's justified in some way by doing so. Another example is the growth of Anakin Skywalker into Darth Vader. We know in the OT what he's become and who he is. You feel angry at the wanton destruction of Alderaan, wondering how could he just kill an ENTIRE PLANET without remorse. But in the PT, we see Anakin as a child and grows up to be a Jedi and falling in love with Padme. You KNOW what he's going to become, but in some cases, you can sympathize with ANAKIN for what he's done by the end (much more so when you look at the child abduction the Jedi do). But because it's ANAKIN and not DARTH VADER, there's a degree of separation. Same with this movie; we're not seeing Joker, we're seeing Arthur Fleck.

[@leeroyjenkins4456]

@@Dimumouto when did he rape barbera? Because if you are talking about the killing joke he just shot her and took off her clothes

[@tejotcoty8363]

@@Juniorgrimes you should get in touch with Chek House

[@Juniorgrimes]

@@tejotcoty8363 *idk who tf that is*

[@tejotcoty8363]

@@Juniorgrimes check house mall my balls are

[@mray4784]

We live in a society where we encourage clowns instead of helping them.

[@kubli365]

*cough* two-party system *cough*

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

M ray Unpopular Opinion: I think Heath Ledger would be a better example of how to make evil likable. And should evil really be made likable in the first place??

[@lonestarr1490]

@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 Heath Ledger's Joker was never made likable. He was made respectable and fearable. Everything else is just plain Stockholm syndrome.

[@amgm1996]

@@lonestarr1490 👏👏

[@mrboerger1620]

How a character is made likable by their personality also how does one get Stockholm syndrome because of a character

[@rummagingchaos]

joker was a masterpiece and i will never let anyone convince me otherwise

[@kingbr33zzy86]

but it wasnt

[@wozamigamez592]

@@kingbr33zzy86 How?

[@muhammadshemede5874]

@@kingbr33zzy86 how??

[@Rar830]

@@kingbr33zzy86 How??!

[@kingbr33zzy86]

it literally just wasn’t deep, it’s the fucking joker and they made it taxi driver 2.0

[@SnowyJakub]

I just saw one thing tht dismisses him killing his neighbor, when he walks out the door closes but he wasn't the one closing it, look at the scene

[@hookoffthejab1]

Could've been like where you give the door a flick behind you as you leave it. Doesn't matter though the director confirmed he didn't kill her

[@alexbattaglia8297]

true and as for the police sirens, I mean c'mon, it's New York lol

[@zadok23]

*Gotham

[@SnowyJakub]

@@zadok23 Gotham is based on New York

[@mariopantoja8259]

@@SnowyJakub it's based on New York and Chicago...I know where I'm at the sirens and lights are a regular..... squad cars, fire truck, ambulances go off regularly

[@christophergutierrez2137]

If the daughter of that neighbor ends up becoming Catwoman I´m gonna lose it

[@johannesschmid3500]

He didn't kill her. There's a deleted scene where she shows up again

[@aramfingal5180]

@@johannesschmid3500 so now deleted scenes are considered canon?

[@neetfeet35]

He did kill her. Remember the sirens and that's when he had his worse laughing fit. That was the descent into madness was complete.

[@TheDrizzle404]

@@aramfingal5180 Depends on if it was completely deleted, or if it was just removed from the theatrical release.

[@Nick-lb3qb]

I really love that the writers of the movie incorporated galastic epilepsy (laughing seizures) effectively, and in a way where it establishes Arthur as different early on in the movie, and not just as a ‘fun little quirk’.

[@Laufbursche4u]

There's one more victim: The last therapist.

[@philippecapelle8016]

She get what she fucking deserve

[@ChilapaOfTheAmazons]

Pretty sure *he didn't kill the neighbor.* It's not consistent with everything else that he does in the film. The movie shows plenty of murders, it doesn't show this one because it didn't happen.

[@LPempty]

“This movie is one that doesn’t have a plot” spends the entire vid explaining the plot

[@logix8969]

No, he spent the entire video talking about character development. Character development |= plot.

[@LPempty]

Doctor Logiq no he was talking about plot

[@Juggler4071]

@Austin Martín Hernández Yes. A movie does not need a plot. It's not a weakness if there isn't one. It's a weakness if there is *supposed* to be one and it's absent. But here there is no need for a plot as such - it's simply a character development. And that's hard to do without the crutch of a plot to hang the character development on. Phillips pulled it off superbly.

[@danielruiz8259]

@@logix8969 You can say that this movie is a character driven movie

[@ngawurbanged9462]

@@logix8969 the plot is arthur's character development

[@thaghost3260]

Notice how after Arthur kills Randall, he lets Gary go because he never did anything bad to him. Gary was the only person who actually cared about Arthur’s well being and because of that, he was spared. Always treat people with kindness and respect, because it may quite literally save your life in some situations

[@tramrant]

13:48 that's just your interpretation of the scene, for me and as i can see for most viewers he's breaking down cause he realizes he finally lost it, there's no girlfriend, he's no hope and noone, police flashlights could be from her(neighbour) actually calling the police, after all her home was just invaded and she felt threatened in a way. The implication of him killing her is just what you personally chose to see and believe, neither actor or director intended the scene this way, so there's no problem for most viewers, who interpreted it as director intended, with still sympathizing with the 'hero'.

[@DraculaCronqvist]

I'd really struggle to call the Joker in that movie evil. He's a tortured victim who finally lashed out against the true evils of society.

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

Yeah but people won't allow their morals to be questioned. Too much school from too early an age. This film tried its best, and for some even succeeded, but 80% of the audience, Filmento included, still don't understand it or society.

[@DraculaCronqvist]

@@TheStraightestWhitest Very true.

[@BygoneT]

Definitely is evil. The alternative is that you just the need to be the victim of _whatever_ , and you have a free license to do what you want. It's unacceptable to simply forgive, or look the other way from people's crimes and mistakes, just because they're in distress.

[@BygoneT]

@@TheStraightestWhitest The hell does even "Understand society" mean? Are you implying there is one objective society with a univocal slogan or meaning, or expectation?

[@DraculaCronqvist]

@@BygoneT It really depends on the degree of victimization. To categorically dismiss it like you do is another kind of evil.

[@Coleees]

It’s confirmed by the director that he didn’t kill her

[@Kevin000]

Byler Barton in the original script her story was merged with an imaginary cat he kept seeing. The director merge the two making him fantasying about her instead of the cat. So , the shots about them we saw it was supposed to be real to arthur.

[@Theyungcity23]

Does it matter? The Joker is all about killing and mutilating every citizen of Gotham for the fun of it. We know he tries to kill her later on.

[@solid9981]

@@Theyungcity23 how do we?

[@k1z4cz3k]

@@Theyungcity23 No. We doesn't.

[@Theyungcity23]

@@solid9981 because he is the Joker. And again why does it matter? We see that he kills the totally innocent psychiatrist at the end.

[@aliyahabrahams]

Arthur never told anyone to kill Wayne. But even if he did, the audience was also turned against Wayne at this point.

[@UnderscoreJohs]

“He doesn’t kill her, definitively,” Phillips said. “As the filmmaker and the writer I am saying he doesn’t kill her.” Todd phillips on whether arthur killed his neighbor

[@deceptivelysmallman]

too ambiguous edit: it needs to be tattooed on his forehead otherwise i cant tell

[@XOSteveXO]

@@vashsunglasses That's because they want to use the narrative that everyone one who gets killed deserves it. Hence "You get what you fucking deserve". I personally think he killed her.

[@gJonii]

@@XOSteveXO there's nothing in the movie suggesting he did. I did notice that they left it open what exactly happened between the two when the reality and fantasy collided, so it seems a plausible enough headcanon to think joker killed her, but it would go against his character and has nothing to support it. It's just wild speculation

[@scorpioniski1801]

@@vashsunglasses but he killed psychiatrist at the end out of camera. We don't see it, only hints like bloody footprints.

[@gJonii]

@@camiloj.obreque3597 Still, they did absolutely nothing to even hint that the neighbour was killed. People seem to be confused since the neighbour, rightfully, was scared for their life as a strange man was in their apartment, but we as the audience were told exactly why that happened and how it had nothing to do with Joker wanting to or trying to kill her.

[@ManicallyMetal]

The score of the movie was incredible and helped made scenes what they are. They picked the perfect people for the soundtrack.

[@sayx]

Are we sure this is Filmento? I don't recall him ever escaping the clutches of his dark twin Moviemento.

[@deceptivelysmallman]

no this is patrick

[@themoreyouknow7418]

Maybe it’s Maybelline

[@Captain_Draco]

Arthur's 6th kill wasn't the neighbour, it was the social worker. Like you said, he had no reason to kill the neighbour, it was his own head that lead him on. The police lights are an implication that an unstable neighbour was just in her house during a breakdown and made her uncomfortable.

[@pariya5103]

I don’t think i ever loved a villain that much , his change breaks my heart even more cuz he was abused to the point he finally crossed the line

[@victorpavan6946]

Last time I was this early, Filmento wasn't invited to events like a Marvelous Scene

[@themadtitan7603]

Lol same.

[@jammygamer8961]

While i wasn't against him in this film and i understood why he did what he did i still didn't like him as a person i just felt bad for him. As a villain i still like him tho

[@korliyon2283]

I was shivering during the whole movie when I first watched it. I was barely able to eat popcorn. As much as this film might be viewed as controversial by some people, it did what not enough movies do: Make a deep emotional impact on the audience.

[@ekthor27]

Read all the comments and realized that "we live in a society..." That's too much man.

[@LeoStaley]

Joker in this film wasn't evil. He was sick. Evil deserves punishment. Sickness deserves compassion and treatment. He was sick the way John Nash in A Beautiful Mind was sick. It drives you to beleive things, and feel things that are irrational, and can even make you violent. Arthur lost his connection and to reality because he was mentally ill. He was legally insane, and could never be held legally responsible for his actions because he wasn't in his right mind. This is fundamentally different from Heath Ledger's joker, who was clearly in his right mind, and aware of his actions.

[@Theyungcity23]

Leo Staley Its the same character though. A tremendous of the Batman universe is that even with mental illness we still can fight and we still ultimately have a choice. Everything that Joker has wring with him mentally Batman has as well.

[@javieremoya]

I'd agree for you if it weren't for one thing...what do you call the murder of his coworker in his apartment? We as viewers understand why but that murder scene wasnt insanity, that was arthur WILLINGLY choosing to murder 1 and leave the other. After he shot Murray, he laughs...but not uncontrollably, it's a genuine purposeful laugh. He may be ill in some spots, but it shows he's very much in control of most of his behaviors minus the laugh

[@LeoStaley]

@@javieremoya Both murders occurred WELL after he had been completely off his medications. He had already completely lost touch with reality. It's a classic psychotic break. Pay attention to his behavior toward Gary after he murdered Randall. It takes a while for Arthur to realize Gary is afraid of him, and he seems almost surprised by it, and makes light of it, as if he thinks it's silly for Gary to be afraid of him. He does that jump scare at him because he genuinely thinks that now is a time for joking fun, that Gary should laugh with him. Those are not the thoughts and behaviors of someone in his right mind. He's off his meds, and deep into a psychotic break. In the interview, he shows no awareness that what he did, or was about to do, was wrong, or unexpected, at all. He behaves and speaks as if he believes his actions are what any normal person would do or have done. The laughter tells you nothing; it's literally what he does when he feels any strong emotion.

[@FuzzyNinja21]

Yeah I agree. A good defense lawyer could get this Joker off on an insanity plea. Conversely, Ledger’s Joker made very calculated and premeditated moves. He looked angry when the mob called him crazy, and he was repeatedly portrayed as a psychotic terrorist who did what he did because he wanted to watch the world burn.

[@MrEdium]

THE DIRECTOR HAS SAID THAT THE JOKER DID NOT KILL HIS NEIGHBOR.

[@stedyedy23]

I never got the impression he killed his neighbour, don't know where he got this lol

[@ruebenaragon493]

@@stedyedy23 everyone assumes he did because after he leaves her apartment there's sirens approaching and they infer it's for the neighbor. Seems like a bit of a stretch to me

[@Filmento]

@@ruebenaragon493 Interesting. Then what do you think that shot of the sirens is there for?

[@ruebenaragon493]

@@Filmento big fan. I always assumed sirens are fairly common in Gotham, especially with the city going to crap. Or it could have been the neighbor calling? Considering someone did break into her home

[@miscellaneous9506]

Filmento Why would he kill her? He’s only killed people that wronged him, it would be completely out of character... Especially considering he thought of her as a love interest. You’re really going to make that leap that he actually killed her?

[@glichjthebicycle384]

tbh I don't think the neighbour ever actually existed. It could be a hallucination of him channeling his need to have a nice person in his live.

[@magiv4205]

Great analysis, though I have two small things that could be pointed out: 1. It's never made 100% clear, but I think Penny actually IS Arthur's mother. Towards the end, there is a moment where Arthur looks at a photo of his younger mother, and turns it around to see "Love your smile - T.W." There is no reason Thomas would write this unless he was lying, set her up and faked the adoption papers. Arthur then scrunches up the photo and throws it away, meaning that at this point, it doesn't matter to him anymore whether she actually was his mother or not. But in retrospect, this makes the whole thing with Penny even more fucked up. And the fact that she didn't stand up for even her own son but was instead complicit shows her narcissism very well. She used to be complimented for her smile, so that's what she wanted her son to be. She doesn't really love Arthur for the person he is, but for the person she wishes him to be. 2. I believe the seventh person he killed was actually the therapist, not the neighbor. Apart from what Todd said, the door forcefully closed on its own, Arthur didn't touch it. Also, she didn't do anything to deserve punishment from him, until the very end where she even wanted to help him. The breakdown could very well be caused by Arthur realizing he was now utterly alone after scaring her away too. And Police/Ambulance sirens are a common occurence in Gotham. The therapist he kills at the very end, on the other hand, would be the first person that didn't deserve it, the first person he killed for kicks. This was at the point where he had already become the Joker, so it didn't matter anymore, she was just a casualty of one of his escapes/escape attempts. But your theory makes sense too. In any case, much of the movie was purposefully left ambiguous, and your analysis holds up well with your interpretation of the events. Amazing video as always!

[@SouthernSkeptic]

Yes, I agree. TW is Arthur's dad and he used his power to cover it up and create the adoption/abuse story..

[@magiv4205]

@@SouthernSkeptic I don't think the abuse was faked. I just think the adoption part, and maybe parts of her disorders were. After all, Penny aswell as Arthur were beat up badly as we see in the flashbacks, and the head injury Arthur recieved was the catalyst for his disorder. Plus, Penny does exhibit several clear signs of narcissism so we can't trust her account fully either.

[@SouthernSkeptic]

Yeah, that's kinda' what I meant. I meant that I think TW is his dad and he used his power to create the adoption story. He may have very well still been abused.

[@outlawstarjoseph8064]

Man gets attacked Man defends himself *OMG THATS EVIL*

[@coldstuff9784]

I don't think ruthlessly chasing down and repeatedly shooting an injured guy can be considered self defense. Or smothering a bed ridden old woman. Or a tv host who just disagreed with Arthur's rants. Or the psychiatrist who wanted to help.

[@mertarican5456]

@@coldstuff9784 yep or some good ol HEAD BASH untill the man dies

[@noahwilld4069]

Killing the first two. Self defense. The last guy, I wanted him to get away but Athur tracked him down and killed him. It makes sense that he acted out of anger and heat of the moment, but obviously he wasnt going to let him get away.

[@prasannahraman2230]

He embraces evil by the end so... I guess he wants to be evil?

[@coldstuff9784]

@CrawlSpace You need help.

[@calebyates4895]

I’ve always had a joker obsession, so this movie just kinda helped me to enjoy the joker as a character and a person. Making the best villain in the dcu even more deep

[@terellchapman8737]

6:50 him fighting back wasn’t evil like you said it was justified. Also no where in the movie did they imply that the lady and her child had died. The ambulance stormed *by* as in passing the building.

[@terellchapman8737]

@The Sans ???

[@clintonlewis2547]

Amazing movie, fantastic story telling. It’s a wonderful thing to see a movie that is dedicated to story over special effects. Fantastic break down as well. He didn’t kill her, they have come out and cleared it up officially.

[@dirt_dert_durt]

1: Arthur could just be reeling from the rejection of someone he thought to be much closer than reality would attest. 2: The police lights could just be her calling the cops on an intruder after the fact

[@bobbing3778]

He didn't kill his neighbor. That was confirmed by Todd Phillips himself.

[@deceptivelysmallman]

@Black Ninja interpretation is vital to watching movies

[@7dfive105]

Are you saying that Filmento said "Definitely, Arthur killed Sophie, without a doubt. If you say he didnt you have problems." He said for the sake of argument, did you hear it?

[@hannahmarie7486]

This movie is so mind blowing, I find myself loving this movie even more. I question why I find myself liking Arthur and I’m glad you can explain it so well! Thanks for making this video.

[@MalabarTheGreat]

😉 🔥

[@christianjoseph6502]

Its interesting that you think he killed his neighbor, I didnt view it that way when I watched the movie. I thought the point of the scene was to show that their relationship was a lie

[@TH3F4LC0Nx]

Joker is the best story told from a villain's perspective since Paradise Lost.

[@cyberwaste]

I'd say labeling that character as evil is too simplistic.

[@dancingdroid]

He is sad efter leaving his neighbor because he understood that the one good thing about his life was not real. And that's when he snaps and goes off the rails willingly.

[@madkabal]

In the scene when he pulls out his gun, he murders one guy. The other two were self defense, he crossed the line when he shot the man retreating in the back, and chased him down and killed him on the street.

[@TheAstroG]

"He kills seven people, which is a lot for a hero" * laughs of Deadpool*

[@SpaseGoast]

5:20 There is nothing evil about defending yourself with a gun against 3 scumbags attacking you unprovoked. This version of the Joker isn't evil at all. He was a man who was mentally unstable, but found mental clarity and was cured. In his mental clarity he decided to play by the rules of the rich and powerful. He didn't incite people to riot. The media took his act of self defense on the subway as a political statement, because the media couldn't fathom that the men in business suits could be aggressors. The media then injected their own guesses for why Arthur did what he did, and fanned the flames for ratings. Kinda funny how it parodies real life.

[@blvvlb6830]

I think he is a bad guy because the murder Murry was not self defense of a result of physical abuse, and Murry was a human being with a life he lived and was taken way. His mother is also murder but less unjust. I believe the story is from the perspective of The Joker as he is trying to minipulate you into thinking of him as a good guy. He tries to make him being jumped, and abused as a child a reason for 7 murders. 7 whole lives ended because he was treated the same way and thousands of people who haven't committed murder. He is a bad guy

[@k1ming]

I thought the last one killed was psychology at the end of the movie

[@supercidalb5031]

I loved the laughing medical condition bc at first I thought it was based off an actual condition (PBA). With all the research they did into anti-psychotic meds I wouldn’t be surprised if they did base it from PBA. It’s perfect.

[@magiv4205]

It is PBA they are portraying. Joaquin even rigorously studied videos of patients to get the laughter just right.

[@gogyoq]

The three great jokers Heath Ledger's Joker Pheonix's Joker Mark Hamil's Joker

[@xoxo1274]

Don't forget Jack Nicholson

[@shadmanhasan4205]

I think Nicholson as the intermediate between the Goofy Incarnate and the Psychopathic Incarnate ... from a clownish villain to the few reasons (Besides Pennywise) why we're scared of clowns

[@mimilopmemes7915]

Cameron Monoghan is my favorite Joker

[@Kyroro97]

In other circumstances I would have agreed with you but the director said that Arthur never killed that woman, other than that, brilliant video as always

[@lonestarr1490]

What the director says is irrelevant, if it's not in the movie.

[@alexbennet4195]

Lone Starr: Neither is Joker killing his neighbour.

[@devilcwesker5980]

FILMETO the Actor, and director haved said directly in interviews saying he dint kill the neighbor.

[@jeffreytackett3922]

Either he killed her, or Todd Phillips is an idiot for including the scene. If it doesn't establish any type of redemption for Arthur, then it must be establishing further evil. If it doesn't do either of those two things, at that point in the film, then it's a completely useless and irrelevant scene. He either killed her, or Todd is a moron that wasted our time with irrelevant nonsense. There is no other option, at that point in the character development.

[@Ravenbones]

6:30 When my wife saw him kill the defenseless guy she said "Good Job Arthur." In a real praising tone.

[@nelsongallegos6899]

They've actually come out and said the neighbor is alive, great video!!

[@onnixcarmichele3911]

The film doesn’t have a “weak” or “nonexistent” plot. How did you come to those conclusions at all? There is a large difference between a plot being weak, and a plot being simplistic.

[@Juggler4071]

I think you misunderstand. There is no *need* for a plot in this movie. It's not plot-driven. So he's not saying that it's weak, it's just that the movie is about something other than the events of a standard plot. It's about a character developing and changing. And to do that without hanging his development onto a plot is impressive work. Quite a few people seems to have responded to that 'plot' line from Filmento because they think he's criticising their movie. But I really don't think he meant it as a criticism.

[@starcrafter13terran]

@@Juggler4071 "Plot refers to the sequence of events inside a story where each event affects the next through the principle of cause-and-effect." How again does this movie not have a plot?

[@thesurvivorssanctuary6561]

@@starcrafter13terran When Filmento says "plot" he's actually talking about a larger meta-world progression pushed by multple characters. "Plot" would be like: "the greater story", but here: "the greater story" is just Arthur's decent into Joker. It's all mostly character development, and it has the loose plot progression of the riots in the background. You'll notice how only Arthur, Murray, and Wayne move the riots progression, how none of the other character's actions affect another outside of their storyline(outside of Arthur's development), and how the riots are mainly an expression of Arthur's decent. It has a plot technically, but it's a question of: "character, or worldbuilding plot?" (GoT would be like the Antithesis to this movie's idea of plot. GoT has a concrete world where EVERY little action snowballs and affects EVERY other character. LOTS of worldbuilding!)

[@olivia_zzzz]

i love how the media and the news didn’t like this movie because they thought it was too violent and there were to many deaths, and yet they praise the avengers movies when in pretty much every scene at least one innocent person dies. maybe it’s because in this movie it felt more realistic and personal, but it’s still so ironic

[@mar10ssj1]

"There are some men that cannot bought, bullied, or reasoned with. There are some men that just want to watch the world burn."

[@reasonedalibis2071]

The movie may try to show that there is no such thing as evil. While the reasons of why somebody make suffer somebody else on purpose may be subtle, they still exist. The concept of evil project an idea that suppose that the "bad" intentions of someone appears like magic. We often make correlations with very general ideas in face of complex phenomenas, with ideas like madness or evil. It's incomplete, not precise and even dangerous because it keeps us from finding real and adapted solutions to real problems.

[@reasonedalibis2071]

@The Sans it's dumb if you don't explain yourself.

[@reasonedalibis2071]

When we apply the concept of evil to intimately understand human nature, we tend to bias ourselves. It's not that it exists no people or situation near of what the concept of evil describes. I'm saying that evil is a concept that is likely to ignore a important part of phenomena in human nature.

[@ashuranero5721]

Facts

[@ashuranero5721]

@R a n g e r Good and Evila re just subjective artificial constructs that can blind one to possible solutions for problems

[@progunjack5556]

So you mean that killing 6 millions people can be justified?

[@MikeVestering]

Yeaah Joker is awesome and so is filmento!

[@James-lh3sn]

Well actually the director confirmed he didn’t kill his neighbor so ya

[@jeffreytackett3922]

Either he killed her, or Todd Phillips is an idiot for including the scene. If it doesn't establish any type of redemption for Arthur, then it must be establishing further evil. If it doesn't do either of those two things, at that point in the film, then it's a completely useless and irrelevant scene. He either killed her, or Todd is a moron that wasted our time with irrelevant nonsense. There is no other option, at that point in the character development.

[@SteCollects]

I never even thought about him killing the last person.

[@Thesilverninja]

Well dang, this analysis makes me want to see the movie even more now!

[@wreckcelsior]

I never got the sense that he killed his neighbour... I felt his emotional reaction was because of his mother's death, regardless of the monster she was, their would still be emotion, and the sense of being alone would be uncomfortable enough to trigger his condition. The police sirens, to me, were a re-enforcement of the news broadcasts reporting a city in turmoil. I did, however, like how you used the (implied) neighbour's killing as an example of show vs. tell. Since you pointed it out, I realized that it could just be one of the movie's tiny weaknesses of clarity. cheers F.

[@Juggler4071]

Why a weakness of clarity? Given that we know there is an unreliable narrator, it's not a problem to be deliberately ambiguous (occasionally). And despite Phillips being unambiguous afterwards, that is a very deliberately ambiguous cut they chose to use. It's not a weakness to leave people wondering when we are dealing with events perceived through the prism of a broken mind.

[@wreckcelsior]

@@Juggler4071 I do not disagree with anything you said; I can't. You say it's okay to be occasionaly ambiguous, I say it could be a tiny weakness of clarity. I don't see the difference between those two statements. 'Ambiguous' means vague, as does 'weakness of clarity'.. both mean 'unclear'. cheers.

[@jeffreytackett3922]

So then what was the point of the scene? It didn't provide any redemption for Arthur, so if it didn't establish any further evil, then it was what ... a complete waste of time? It is either redeeming, or damning. The only other explanation is useless and irrelevant.

[@lucy-anne9594]

Was honestly surprised by this film. It's constructed and presented so delicately. Truly a masterpiece.

[@whitemagus2000]

Kingpin in Netflix Daredevil series was also good about being a villain that we care about.

[@andik.4235]

But Kingpin in Daredevil worked in another way. It was established as person, carrying a big trauma from his childhood arround. And that was the reason for him to go on war with society. And he was way more intelligent than After Fleck which allwoed him to do his evil stuff in a very effctive way without pulling the trigger by himself to often. But yeah, that is one of the few villans that actually work beyond the normally established reasons.

[@nerdtalk1246]

We see and hear cops throughout the movie. Its Gotham

[@vapelordsasuke5445]

I love the way you articulate yourself and paint pictures using perfect analogies and metaphors as you do.

[@schnek8927]

5:50 - ”... but the reason that never happens here is because...” ... is because it isn’t an evil act... Look, the joker absolutely is the bad guy, but he is a bad guy created by other bad guys... That’s the whole point. If those characters accidentally (or intentionally) killed him (or even just permanently injured him) they wouldn’t really give a shit, so it is only fair for him to do the same. Thinking otherwise is selfish, egotistical, ignorant and childish. The reason good people don’t sympathize with the ”bullies” is because they don’t deserve it... No matter how horrible your day has been, taking it out on people who have nothing to do with it is evil, plain and simple.

[@boogerz2000]

I'm surprised with Filmento's very detailed and nuanced approach, he didn't catch that Arthur's killings escalate from moral to more and more immoral. 1. Since 3 on 1 is potential loss of life in use of force, he was morally justified in defending his life by shooting the first 2 wayne employees. Going after the third shows the first nudge towards immorality because the guy was running away. 2. The 4th killing of his mother is another step in the immoral direction because of what she allowed/did to him in his youth and how it shaped his life. 3. The 5th killing of the coworker that set him up to be fired is the next step on the ladder to immorality because while Randall was an asshole, he never assaulted or harmed Arthur physically. 4. The 6th killing of Murray goes further down the road of immorality because all he did was make fun of Arthur. 5. The implied 7th killing of the therapist at the end of the movie shows full blown psychopathy has taken place because the therapist didn't do or say anything at all to prompt it. The pattern before this point escalated because Arthur felt they "deserved it". The therapist in no way deserves it, and this is the point where Joker no longer cares about whether someone deserves it or not, he'll do what he wants. 6. Because of this rather obvious escalation, he didn't kill his neighbor. Regardless of Phillips' comments outside the movie, it would be out of place and not make any sense in the framework of the movie itself. He just realized their relationship was a hallucinated fantasy. However, at the end of the movie when he no longer cares about having a reason to kill, it is possible that if he ever came across the neighbor again, he is capable of killing her now.

[@Johnjohn99998]

I love that his laughing is an uncontrollable obstacle that causes conflict on the train