Final Fantasy 16 & Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth Get TERRIBLE News...

[@maravreloaded]

Who could guess it. PS5 JRPG exclusives for a console that DOESN'T SELL IN JAPAN.

[@eJacksong]

Contrary to Xbox... And I'm sure ff7 would have look so great on Switch...

[@alanramirogarcia2886]

​@@eJacksongYou mad about facts Sony fanboy?😂

[@jefftheindianchief8279]

@@eJacksong Make no mistake, everyone realizes the Switch's limitations, and Microsoft has mostly focused on western demographics throughout the years, but to blatantly ignore Sony's continual rejection of their Japanese roots is ignorance. PlayStation cannot maintain their reputation as an eastern developmental advocate when they push for senseless censorship of eastern games. That's how you end up pushing your audience away to mobile games like NIKKE.

[@eJacksong]

@@alanramirogarcia2886 lol What I am trying to say is : "the exclusivity is NOT the reason why the game had low sell in JAPAN"

[@eJacksong]

@@jefftheindianchief8279 "to blatantly ignore sony's continual rejection of their japanese roots is ignorance" => Where exactly did I say something like that ?

[@RuruLaRuru]

The Japanese players and people's who love jrpgs moved to pc and switch

[@PettyCrow-n9c]

FF7 Remake sold terribly on PC

[@RaspyCh]

@@PettyCrow-n9cthen the Japanese players moved away from ff7

[@Israeli_Prince]

​@@PettyCrow-n9c probably because we like 15 better even though 15 got a lot of hate.

[@mikesilver9285]

@@PettyCrow-n9c 1st exclusivity on ps4 for a year then it was an epic games launcher exclusive for a year after, which pissed off ppl, then came to steam (which the majority of pc gamers use) a year later (2022 btw). you think the hype of the game can last that long....... nope doesnt work that way. Plus the port to PC was horrid

[@loiedonn4192]

Nope. Jp moved to Switch and Mobile gaming. Pc in jp is still minority. Mobile gaming however rules in jp

[@wesh.8455]

Clearly the O.G. FF consumer base that loved and supported the series in the 90s and 00s has moved on, and the sales reflect that. FF fans these days are now playing Persona, SMT, Pokemon, Fire Emblem, Xenoblade, Zelda, and, like you mentioned, franchises such as Monster Hunter that were not huge back in the day but have blown up in popularity in more recent years. There's a LOT more competition for RPG gamers' play time these days than back when FF was THE RPG series to play.

[@ab-hv8qs]

Ever since FFX-2, Square hasn't made a FF game that wasn't heavily divided amongst fanbase with positive and negative opinions. That's 21 years. It's not surprising that fans moved on.

[@wicked-witch-of-the-west]

Uh we haven't moved on, we just wanted turn based. And not this hack and slash turd riddled mess they keep pumping out.

[@apoplexiamusic]

They are also playing reissues of the classics, i imagine. If the new games aren’t for us old school fans, at least we can play the classic titles (up to 12) on every console including Switch

[@countzero5150]

I'm one of those players. Since I was a little kid FF6(it was called 3 when I played it) and FF7 were easily my favorite games of all time. I can't speak for others as to why they moved on from the series but for me personally, I moved on because Squeenix seems to have lost the ability to tell a compelling story. All of my favorites in the series, 5,6,7,8,9, and even 10, had compelling and well written story driven narratives, set in unique and interesting worlds, with a cast of characters that were identifiable and well written that you grew attached to as the game progressed. As of late the series seems to have gone in a direction that is over produced and for lack of a better term, generic.

[@JustinStrife]

@@wicked-witch-of-the-west It has nothing to do with turn-based. Quit trying to act like you speak for the majority of FF fans.

[@dwight2310]

bring FF7 Rebirth to PC and ill buy it in a heartbeat.

[@thisGuy481]

Same, I'll snap buy it

[@lesliewalden2820]

Me too.

[@ehenningsen]

Same

[@donnyboi1990]

I already own it on ps5 and same...

[@shadowzzz0986]

Square had a passionately loyal fan base and it wasn't good enough for them so let the modern audience save them.

[@Xoulrath_]

This might be the bear comment that I've seen about this entire SquEnix drama and their games as of the last 10-15 years.

[@MysticMike]

The last couple games have been catering to modern audience. That is probably why it isn't doing as well as it's not catering to the loyal families. Seems like you guys got it reversed

[@Xoulrath_]

@@MysticMike uh, that's what the OP said, and what I agreed to.

[@wicked-witch-of-the-west]

Most fans wanted true turn based combat. ''YUH BUT MAHN, ITS OLD FASHUNED AND BORING'' oh because tekken 3 style combination attacks, and lord knows what else Rebirth combat features (I havent bought it nor will i, after the mess the first game was) is so much better with combo attacks! just bring in air strikes already and remote control cars, so you really can cater to 20 year old kids with adhd

[@JJ-dm3lt]

That's the issue...the modern audience that they tried to cater to...doesnt like the game LOL. Which is why the fired the guy that spent millions on a game that flopped.... FF7 rebirth flopped.... BOth are not fun..... One is a fighter game.... one is a series of mini games.... Modern audiences..... instead of the fan base.... you as others have stated have it back a$$wards.

[@jeremypowell7211]

This is not surprising to me. I am friends with Sony only people and they don't really play games like Final Fantasy

[@algee6005]

weird because ALL of my Sony only friends play Final Fantasy lol

[@Gamer-vs3xl]

​@@algee6005i had to convince them to play 💀

[@shadowzzz0986]

I and my gamer friends have PS5 and we used to love Final Fantasy but Square ruined it.

[@ilovecokeslurpees]

Western gamers don't really play them or JRPGs of any kind. They rather play boring games for braindead morons.

[@pablocasas5906]

I have a friend who is a fan of PlayStation and wants to buy a PS5, but he has never played a Final Fantasy game and interested in playing one, he wasn't even aware that all mainline FF games are standalone and you don't have to play them all However, I have to mention that me and my friend are from Argentina and here, and in Latin America as a whole, Final Fantasy is not a particularly popular series, due to the fact that despite the PlayStation's popularity since the release of the original PSX, FF games, or RPGs in general weren't that popular, probably because they were never translated into Spanish. You could find a pirated copy of FFVII translated into European Spanish, but that translation was full of grammatical errors that made the story incomprehensible Square-Enix has tried to enter the Latin America market, they even dubbed Final Fantasy XVI into Neutral Spanish with a cast of popular VAs, but there's not a lot of interest for the series here

[@rng-mos2314]

Spider-man 2 sold over 10 million in under a year, RE4 remake sold almost as much as remake in 6 months as remake did in 7 years. FF is not a big deal anymore.

[@bobbyrivera2951]

That may be true

[@kennethyoung7457]

Square ran FF into the ground by not releasing 15 in peak condition. That game sold 5 million copies in one day if game came out complete it would have sold even more and increased FF reputation in the mainstream but instead it decreased it. If I'm being honest as a fan FF has been really mid lately no wonder they are not selling as many copies. We haven't had a certified classic since FFX on ps2. Even the remake of FF7 wasn't that great that just shows have far downhill Square has went. Best games Square has been involved in lately are Octopath Traveler and Triangle Strategy.

[@ericp631]

This is really what it is. After 10, ff lost it's golden status due to increased competition in the jrpg arena, the changing composition of console playerbases(Japan turned away from home consoles and towards Nintendo handhelds, leaving the PlayStation fanbase a very much western one that doesn't really like jrpgs,let alone ff), and 20 years of divisive titles

[@wicked-witch-of-the-west]

Or it's because most OG fans aren't buying this garbage. And expected turn based combat over hack and slash adhd fuelled spamming. I'm one of those OG fans.

[@sanane66543]

12 was good too 13 was when it all god downhill mate PUT SOME RESPECT ON FF12 THE GOAT​@@ericp631

[@javierdelgado3915]

Im just waiting for a PC release, im not shelling out $500+ to play FF7 rebirth. And 16 just came to PC

[@benjamincrew1949]

Deserved for continuing to pull this anti-consumer exclusive BS. Stop treating the PC community like an afterthought.

[@THXKXNG]

I blame Square for the short comings of FF16. The fans of FF had major issues with the game. The open world was kind of trash. The combat was mid. The side quest was trash. Square keeps trying to innovate FF to get new fans, but they’re losing the original fan base the more they stray from the formula.

[@teneleven2818]

Totally agree. They listened to the very vocal critics and not to their own sales numbers. I was wanting a turn based remake of FF 7 in on single game not over multiple parts. If they wanted a pure action game, they should have looked to Elden Ring because it’s also open world or Zelda BotW/TotK.

[@franciscor390]

Exactly! Fanboys refuse to accept this, but it is a fact, the world is extremely drab and there's barely any exploration to be had. Also the side quest are generally mediocre.

[@shadowzzz0986]

Square lost me after what they did to FFVII with that awful "remake"

[@ilovecokeslurpees]

FF never really had a formula. Every game had major gameplay innovations. FF16's problem was the combat was shallow as hell.

[@Xoulrath_]

​@@shadowzzz0986I've got a love/hate relationship with FFVIIRemake. I personally couldn't care less about the story, because I was turned off of the ridiculous nature of the OG story back in the day when I was still in my twenties. So they could have completely altered it and it wouldn't have bothered me personally. That said, I do understand some fans such as yourself being disappointed. It's like the whole "Did Greedo or Han shoot first BS." Anyway, I think that the combat system of FFVIIRemake is actually a great way to bridge the gap between real-time and turn-based combat in a way that would be pleasing to more people than not. It still needs plenty of fine-tuning in my opinion, but the groundwork has been laid. I'd love to see it continue to improve ans be used in other RPGs.

[@sanguinex]

Square could put FF on every console and that wouldn't make any difference, the FF fandom is divided, Square is never going to get the sale they want even if they go back to what FF used to be, the part of the fandom that wants OG FF back is not buying the new games or at least not on release or they are buying them second handed, and the people that likes the new direction that the franchise took are not going to buy a new classic style FF game, Square killed their best franchise

[@israelruiz8706]

Agreed. The only other place final fantasy would sell great is on a Nintendo platform and we know the switch or switch 2 most likely will not be able to handle a brand new final fantasy at the same time as it releases on Playstation.

[@shadowzzz0986]

🎯

[@Xoulrath_]

I have to strongly disagree with this line of thinking. The reality is that the FFVIIR line of games is probably the best bet to unite the fandom as a whole. It does need some tinkering to be the best version of itself, but the hybrid action/turn-based mechanics of those games is the potential catalyst that SquEnix needs to get back on top of the map with the FF series.

[@anabang1251]

+1 for Scarlet Nexus profile pic

[@shadowzzz0986]

@@Xoulrath_ Myself and all but one person of my family/friend group that loved the OG games hated the remake and stopped buying FF games after FFVII R.

[@houragents5490]

Yeah, and those Steam numbers were looking abysmal as well. Exclusivity is NOT the problem. The low quality of the games is.

[@ericp631]

It's not really quality, the games have extremely high production value. It's just final fantasy as a brand isn't what it used to be. They need to be realistic about what these games can do and budget accordingly.

[@phootaphan9166]

I can assure you, quality was not an issue with Rebirth. It's one of the best games I've played in a long time.

[@agamersinsanity]

Exclusivity IS the problem plus the PS5 is a mediocre console at best. The combat for 16 is kinda meh. I did try the demo and I wasn't really impressed by it.

[@pokemongo-up3rq]

The problem is they're making games more expensive at a time when people have less disposable income than ever due to inflation. I would have loved to play rebirth if I had an extra 70 bucks lying around. The problem is a lot of people dont.

[@JustinStrife]

When you factor inflation, games aren't more expensive now based on income, than they were 20-30 years ago. This argument is so tiring and done by people who don't understand how expensive games would be if they kept up with inflation.

[@Arcessitor]

@@JustinStrife That assume people's wages immediately increase with inflation, and they don't.

[@JustinStrife]

@@Arcessitor Wages still have increased more, than the cost of games have. At least in the U.S.

[@SeventeenZero]

Nintendo Switch is the 2nd highest selling console of all time. Why make huge budget games for xbox, ps5, and pc when switch should be lead console and port up from there for the others.

[@pablocasas5906]

I've heard that making a huge game for the Switch would make the game look kind of unimpressive. Though I'm not so sure about that, while Monster Hunter Rise was obviously not as big as MH World, plenty of people who didn't own a Switch wanted to play it and Capcom later ported it to the PC where it sold quite well

[@calebnelson58]

Because nobody wants to play a FF that is dumb down to such a degree that it's playable on a Switch.

[@jarde1989]

@@calebnelson58 Well by these numbers… no body wants to play FF on a high end PS5 either buddy

[@Sur_GalaChad2189]

Xenoblade chronicles is the best RPG series of this generation and is highly regarded as so. And still only sold 2 million copies... Jrpgs are niche

[@pablocasas5906]

@@Sur_GalaChad2189 to be fair, the Xeno Series (that also includes Xenogears and Xenosaga) has always been relatively obscure and Xenoblade is a Nintendo exclusive game, the fact that it managed to sell over 2 million copies is impressive, and I don't think that the Xenoblade games' budgets are close to the ones for the mainline Final Fantasy games, or even some spin-offs like Strangers in Paradise

[@astrea555]

GoT-like tone and story is the last thing I've ever wanted out of Final Fantasy.

[@zacatkinson3926]

even though its most high fantasy is based on

[@Aries73]

Final Fantasy is no longer the top dog in the RPG space. Sega has Persona/SMT. Falcom has Ys/Legend of Heroes. Nintendo has Xenoblade Chronicles/Fire Emblem. RPG fans have far more popular options than in the past, and not necessarily on Playstation. Signing exclusivity deals with Sony stopped making sense with the release of the Switch, yet they continue this outdated mentality.

[@Tomatesaldeoignon]

Please don't talk about falcom because if there were this popular and successful they wouldn't count on nis to release their game in the west and piss on their players

[@keonhobgood1551]

Final fantasy just isn’t the same anymore they split their fanbase when they switched to action based g

[@DavidB-oz2oh]

@@keonhobgood1551I honestly don’t think sticking with the old turn base format would save them. I honestly think it’s just that people have moved on from the franchise. It isn’t the 90s/ early 2000s anymore. So many rpgs have come out since then. That’s not even counting all the indie games. People have so much choice now. Also, the negative view of AAA gaming doesn’t do much good favor for the franchise either. Do I agree with the others on this perception? No. But that’s how a lot of people feel.

[@JLudd]

@@keonhobgood1551suddenly going to turn based isn’t going to suddenly make these games must haves 😂 people have gone off them, I personally think it may be to do with the bad optimisation as both games looked horrible at 60fps but I think that’s a small reason why it’s died off. I think most people probably didn’t finish ff7 remake so didn’t want to jump to rebirth as it wouldn’t make sense.

[@gamekiller64]

I can’t see what they can change to pull a later audience. Both 16 and Rebirth were amazing but market is clearly saying they’re not that interested. Maybe if they try to downsize the games a bit it can at least help with the bottom line. I understand FF feels like they have to make the cutting edge with graphics. I feel the market cares less about how great a game looks. Maybe with lower tech and expectations these games can at least be more profitable

[@pablocasas5906]

The thing I'm worried about is that Square has spent almost 30 years making Final Fantasy games the most lavish and big-budgeted experiences, that I think it would be kind or impossible for the to downsize the technical quality of a future mainline title, it's not like Enix's Dragon Quest where they went from VIII releasing on the PS2, to IX releasing on the DS instead of the PS3 I've seen plenty of people saying that S-E should develop FF XVII for the Switch as the base, but I think S-E would rather develop a sort of Final Fantasy-like game, but not like those retro-inspired games like FF: Four Heroes of Light, Bravely Default/Second or Octopath Traveller, if the Switch 2 is probably gonna be more powerful than a PS4 Pro, they should at least make something akin to FF XV or VII Remake in terms of scope, but that would be expensive and time consuming even with current technology

[@Xoulrath_]

I can't agree with players not wanting a premium graphics experience. The entirety of the series has literally been founded upon that very premise.

[@gamekiller64]

@@Xoulrath_ True they pride themselves by pushing the technical limits of the genre since FF6. The problem is the market hasn’t respond the same way to FF like they did during the PS/PS2 era. They could stay on course and eventually die by the market or downsize to the point they can at least be profitable. I’ll miss them pushing graphics but I also want them to keep making games of different budgets since I still appreciate their smaller games

[@gamekiller64]

@@pablocasas5906 I think that would be possible if the FF games sold better. Due to those last of sales they’re focusing on larger games now. If it wasn’t for FF14 sales I wonder if we would have gotten so many smaller budget games this gen. I dread to see the state of SQ if the next FF14 expansion drop in sales

[@bombyo3634]

​@gamekiller64 16 pushed the limits of unoptimization. Nothing about that game pushed anything with 720p20. Game looked horrible I just love the music, boss, story. Every thing else was trash. But the resolution was the worse I seen in a next gen game

[@10k-Noodles]

Any charm FF once had has been lost. Go back to being the FF we all loved.

[@franciscor390]

They need a new Hironobu Sakaguchi. Someone with a vision.

[@shadowzzz0986]

​@@franciscor390Yes, someone with spirit.

[@wicked-witch-of-the-west]

Just stop this hack and slash garbage. There's no real skill or tactics. It's mind numbing.

[@FrankencteynGamingTV]

1. No DEI 2. Turn-Based Combat 3. Engaging Story They can make Octopath Traveler. They should be able to make FF feels like the OG, if they want, but they opted not to.

[@caribarts01]

don’t know if this is a hot take, but I kinda hope that they stick with the action ATB system they have with the FF7R trilogy. I think aside from current PS exclusivity, one of the reasons as to why FF has fallen out of favor is cuz after X, its gameplay formulas have become super inconsistent and there hasn’t been a ton of room to really grow or improve upon any of said formulas since they change so frequently. FF7 Remake still sold pretty well (probably cuz there were a lot of PS4s in the wild by the time it released) and if you make the series fully multiplatform and continue to build upon and tweak this formula, I really think it could work well

[@wicked-witch-of-the-west]

Mate, FF14 sucked. Actioned based. FF7 remake sucked. Actioned Based. FF16 sucked. Action based.

[@wicked-witch-of-the-west]

do you see the pattern developing here? or are you just plain stupid

[@10k-Noodles]

Switch 2 will be the home of FF, DQ, Xenoblade, and Persona. Sony is finished in the Japanese market. Buh bye 👋

[@kongyiu]

Well, they should go multi-platform on day one. Nobody is going to wait more than a year to buy a full price game.

[@andrewjmp3494]

That will make no difference at all.

[@kerijizo]

What did they expect..?ps5 user base is still low,a lot of people still play ps4 and not ps4 ver for vii rebirth,they split the fanbased by making latest full action, many of people who like jrpg mostly go to nintendo and pc etc2. I think square enix should abandoned the full HD high budget and focus more on the artstyle and keep the budget in check.

[@Wileytiger-el6pu]

Square Enix is a very mid company. Their games aren’t groundbreaking like they used to be .

[@rawaali8451]

😂

[@sanane66543]

ff7 rebirth for sure is groundbreaking do its just proof you havnt played it.... still waiting for rhem pc port do to replay it in 4k 60fps unlike weak ps5 that xant even do that

[@Cheff-oc4wu]

​@@sanane66543no one bought it.

[@agamersinsanity]

@@Cheff-oc4wu FF7 Rebirth sold 2 million copies.

[@0okaze]

OJ, they’re saying the contrary: the games were not profitable at all, that’s what an operation loss means.

[@azure5584]

At least they acknowledged how idiotic exclusivity is in gaming and hopefully stand by their words and move away from it. Just the XVI's release and FFVII Rebirth's release on PC should give them lots of money back, lol.

[@starryk79]

What hooked me to Final Fantasy was the Story that was told. If the story didn't work I lost interest. Storys like the ones of FF 7, 8 and 10 are hard to match. And of course the soundtrack of Nobuo Uetmatsu. I am not sure what hinders the sales of FF 7 Rebirth, maybe the people that loved the original FF 7 are too old now and at least some lost interest or have no time for video games anymore.. Just guessing here. It could also be that Rebirth is for PS 5 while Remake was also for PS4 and is also on Steam. In my case that is the reason as i don't have a PS5.

[@jasongarfitt1147]

not having a PS5 and it not being on steam is my reason for not buying rebirth

[@JustinStrife]

8's story was not that good.

[@5h0ckblock]

Honestly I think the biggest issue is just that this didn't launch on everything at the same time. Now its finally dropping on steam but is competing with other highly anticipated games for this AND next month. Depending on what you own, you have to choose between a year old game or a brand new Zelda, CoD, Sonic, DBZ, and others in a short time frame.

[@mizukisnow2392]

The main thing is that gamers nowdays have a lot of choice nowdays and there a lot of competition from both the console side and the mobile rpg gacha side . gamers nowdays can alway play mobile rpg gacha market game such as wuthering waves , genshin impact , honkai StarRail and many other games that has better graphics , skills and character design. For those who prefer console, there is ys series , Persona, SMT, Pokemon, Fire Emblem, Xenoblade, Zelda, trail series and monster hunter.

[@PoPo-qp8zq]

FF is just not what it used to be sadly, and being a ps5 exclusive just make it worse

[@Sir_Psych]

I'll be supporting them when they come to Switch 2

[@TGDLeefa]

Who would have thought alienating their old FF players would lead to lower sales....I havent bought a FF game since 13 cause they went action combat and started to lose the "soul" of the FF games.

[@zaythleon5847]

I gotta say I wanted both 16 and ff7 rebirth but I'm not interested in a ps5 so hopefully they come to switch 2

[@Sir_Psych]

Same. Ff7 rebirth looks amazing and fixed alot of the gripes I had with remake. 16 looks fun too for an action game. I don't think it should have the 16 title and should have been treated as a side game.

[@PoyoPoyomfs]

At 16 fps xd

[@maravreloaded]

Who could guess it?

[@bonnieluav]

Need to go back to turn base.

[@wicked-witch-of-the-west]

Finally.

[@wicked-witch-of-the-west]

Someone with a bit of sense. That probably didn't first play FF7 on a PS4 digital download in 2007

[@marcosgalfre431]

no fu... way

[@ericv5435]

Turn based is so boring

[@wicked-witch-of-the-west]

@@ericv5435 Not according to recent sales ;]

[@JWBR84]

It's kinda weird how some people equate stating facts = hating something or that the thing is bad. It's like they never heard of a movie/book/music album being great, but not selling well for a million different reasons.

[@muaythaiforever7893]

Makes you wonder if Microsoft is right about not keeping exclusives on their platform? The gaming market may have no other choice but to change if it wants to survive

[@ryh2638]

It's going to be a while before we see the results of them pivoting to multiplatform for Final Fantasy but I think their issues goes beyond the timed exclusivity with Sony. They need to do better at bringing new players into the fold. I think their target of the "oh wow look at the graphics" crowd is clearly diminishing returns.

[@darthjeff1633]

I hate this BS. This is misleading about the quality of these games. The problem is console exclusivity, especially when ps5 is only now becoming more accessible. This is a problem with logistics not the games.

[@luism8130]

Remake and Rebirth on Switch 2 will save that dying franchise.

[@Xoulrath_]

It isn't a dying franchise. It still sells. But of course it will sell less on a single console.

[@jarde1989]

⁠@@Xoulrath_ It sells less with every entry It’s in a death spiral

[@pablocasas5906]

If Switch 2's hardware specs are at least a bit more powerful than a PS4 Pro, I think Square-Enix could port FFVII Remake, but I'm not so sure about Rebirth, especially since it seems the game has some issues running on the base PS5. It could take S-E some time to downport FFVII Rebirth to the Switch 2, like how Virtuos' port of NieR: Automata for the Switch came out 6 years after the game originally came out on PS4 and XBox One

[@Xoulrath_]

@@jarde1989 and yet it still makes money. Weird.

[@ericp631]

I highly doubt it. Final fantasy not being on Nintendo consoles other than old ports/rereleases for the past 30 years means Nintendo fans have no attachment to final fantasy, if the sort of person owns a switch 2 and was in the mood for a jrpg they are way more likely to grab the latest fire emblem or xenoblade or half a dozen others before final fantasy even pops into their minds. The next dq or bravely default game will have higher switch 2 sales numbers than any ff game on the platform (maybe even combined).

[@cronoesify]

Bros im here to tell you that i loved both and bought both at full price. You are the problem. Not me. You.

[@dominush4056]

It’s a little bit of column A and B: making a new FF title PS5 exclusive is dumb unless Sony bought you which they haven’t…yet and yes people are tired of FF games being action games. You can innovate turn based in so many creative ways. They choose action because I don’t know- Promise you, remake FF6 for example exactly how it is and people will buy it. Make it like where Terra has to do 60 hits on a boss and it’s like what are we doing here…

[@eli2955]

The problem with Square Enix is wasting money 💰 on games like Forspoken and Babylon Fall, Exclusivity and going somewhat woke doing business with DEI companies like Sweet Baby Inc. They have to go back to no politics and no hidden agendas. Just Excellent Storylines and Game Play. FF14 and FF4-10 was their best. Also they should bring back Hironobu Sakaguchi. Then they’ll be back at their Triple AAA Excellence.

[@flipyapd2321]

Baldurs Gate 3 was full of DEI

[@Dpac1000]

Don't forget current ff14 was re-made as the original one was a complete failure of FF standards, It started at original FF14, followed by the worse FF game 15, now 16 a hot mess, story designed for "adults" but gameplay designed for "babies" Im playing 16 now, and just playing the game feels like a chore, gameplay so boring I take control just to click on a map/walk down a narrow path or use same combo on all enemies, what was they thinking.

[@eli2955]

@@Dpac1000 That’s a good analysis. They might be trying too hard to stay relevant. They are probably forgetting the keys to Final Fantasy greatness. Storyline, Gameplay and Graphics. Not just Storyline and Graphics.

[@marcusclark1339]

@@flipyapd2321 it was an still isn't great just over hype drowned out complaints its still an avoid despite high praise

[@agamersinsanity]

@@Dpac1000 FF14 was a copy pasta mess. Yoshi-P apologized and said they would do better.

[@deiradinn]

They should've released the games on PC, Xbox, Epic, and whatever else on day 1. Square Enix lost so much on PlayStation exclusivity. Glad that's over because FFXVI was amazing for me, Rebirth... not so much.

[@LifeWillChange]

I was waiting for Oj to make a video about this report from Square 🍿

[@UsernameInvalid48]

Squares just dumb with their expectations. Millions of copys is not bad lol. What a weird narrative people weave

[@Cloud-dt6xb]

Once upon a time it would've made sense to be a playstion only company. But these days things are much different Sony continues to make very stupid decisions that has resulted in big consequences with the Ps5 being muuuch less popluar compared to the ps4. Meanwhile Nintendo's got their priorties straight and their relationship's with third party developers is so much better than it ever has been. Multiplatform is the smart move for them right now, especially when pretty much every final fantasy game can be played on Switch now.

[@Wynntersenk6017]

I play the ff7r trilogy on ps5, but I agree they shouldn’t be exclusive day one

[@Ranechannel77]

Putting more games on switch, and Switch 2 should help, Japan plays consoles less than the US, the games could be shorter with less filler also. Fun factor is one thing the games are missing.Make the games somewhat shorter but better, and at a better price.

[@calvinmatthews1527]

I don't know about everyone else but if I had a PS5, I would buy these games. Square Enix clearly put a lot of effort & passion into these Final Fantasy games. It'd be a shame for them to flop like this in the long run. Come on, let's support our favorite franchises.

[@bombyo3634]

You wouldn't because the games aren't worth buying. Ff16 is good and I love it but if it was 59.99 then it would be worth

[@Roxas-dr8om]

Nope. Turn based erectile dysfunction one tricks hate pressing consecutive buttons in their combat sadly. So they're not gonna support and complain.

[@wicked-witch-of-the-west]

@@Roxas-dr8om Incorrect. I bought Part 1, knowing it would absolutely suck. And i was fed a load of hack and slash garbage as expected. Us OG fans aren't buying part 2 off the back of that. Something you nu-age boys are going to have to swallow.

[@wicked-witch-of-the-west]

@@Roxas-dr8om In short. Give us the game we wanted. Or F*CK OFF.

[@Roxas-dr8om]

@@wicked-witch-of-the-west welp, your missing out and being left behind turn based one trick. Sounds like you and those OG "fans" are completely posers if you can't handle consecutive button presses in ff games.

[@arnoldschwarzenegger2659]

I:m painting broad strokes here, but PC gamers dont actually beat games. They find their comfort game and stick with it for 5,000 hours. Most benchmark games to see if their PC can run a game, then drop it as soon as they get bored. I know it won:t happen, but put ff16 on the switch and it will sell. Now or soon is actually the time for Nintendo to release a beefy Switch 2.

[@JJ-dm3lt]

When you put out trash games..... expect trash results..... When you turn yoru franchise from RPGS/JRPGS to EVERYTHING BUT THOSE. MOSTLY FIGHTERS.... no idea why you would be suffering a loss..... NONE.

[@jasongarfitt1147]

PS1 and PS2 sales tactics don't work in the modern day. Back then we had a bigger proportion of disposable income, consoles were more dominant in the market as Steam etc. wasn't as established. steam sales definitely weren't a thing and they are also competing with video streaming and older games more. With the jumps from PS1>PS2>PS3 you were seeing huge jumps in graphics and performance. Going from PS3>PS4>PS5 it is much less noticible so people are playing older games on the older consoles longer. I liked the FFVII remake and am waiting for the PC release for rebirth. FF15 looked meh but FF16 looks a lot more promising but my game backlock is so full I'm in no rush to pick it up straight away.

[@RIELSG]

I blame changing the story and multiple releases

[@bombyo3634]

They tried to be greedy and im glad this happened. They swore they can draw it out and it backfired.

[@RIELSG]

@@bombyo3634 it's going to be worse for part 3

[@JustinStrife]

The main story hasn't changed though. You people really don't know what you're talking about.

[@pietrozavattaro2323]

It’s the same just expanded, plus it’s a sequel not a remake

[@ModeKaioken]

People waiting to buy this on steam and they wonder why they got no sale. Now not only will I wait for it to come on steam but now Ill even wait for it to go on sale because the hype for this is long done and I dont mind waiting it out now. I did the same for the first remake. When ever you decide to support pc users I will support you with my money unless you wait to long then you better hope im still interested. What I wont do is buy a console or use epic just because you want me to.

[@FionatheFiend]

I was ready to buy FF16 last year but when I found out it was only for PS5 I did not bother. To me, that game is not on the same level of greatness as Horizon Forbidden West or Ghost of Tsushima. Those games motivated me upgrade my PC and I'm still playing them today. Now that FF16 just came out for PC, I'm still not convinced it's worth a buy. I'm going to replay Cyberpunk 2077 first and finish it completely then I'll reassess FF16 after that time. Diablo 4 expansion is also coming out, I think I'll play that one first then reassess FF16... maybe I'll never play FF16 ever.

[@musicacc2728]

Not terrible... Its just a lesson about useless ps exclusivity. Need multiplatform

[@BroHazeman]

Just release Final Fantasy 17 on Switch 2 and please NO DEI INVOLVEMENT !!!

[@pablocasas5906]

But are we sure that the Switch 2 will able to run Final Fantasy VII Rebirth at a decent resolution and framerate, I mean, the game seems to have trouble running on the base PS5 and now they're trying to argue that the game is a reason why people show buy a PS5 Pro. We also don't know if the exclusivity deal between Square-Enix and Sony is still at play, a port of FFVII Rebirth could arrive 5 years after the release of the Switch 2, just like how NieR: Automata was ported to the original Switch 6 years after it originally came out on PS4 and Xbox One, and most people say S-E did because the NieR: Automata anime adaptation was coming soon, just like how SEGA finally decided to relase a Yakuza game on the Switch due to the fact that a Yakuza live-action show will premiere on Prime Video or Guilty Gear: Strive is also coming to the Switch because there's a Guilty Gear anime on the works

[@fauzanwidjaja8134]

if i am Square Enix..i will release my games on as many platform (ps, xbox, nintendo & pc) as i can..so many player on many platform can play the game..and as long as many games sold, i have enough money to make next games..

[@UntangledKnots]

Am I the only one who just wants a really good story and good characters? Hope and Snow almost made me quit the series. It feels like they are trying everything other than FF7 or FF10 level storytelling. Nier is my FF now. Give me an Emil or a Kaine or an existential tragedy or a story told from multiple angles.

[@50shadesofgreen34]

FF XVI is the dullest games in the series so far, they reduced combat to mashing a single button, removed party building, elements have no real effect in combat and are purely visual, side characters are boring and have no real story, and the boss fights are extremely stupid....

[@doom-detox]

Any FF from 1-10 was an absolute must play, they've stumbled ever since then. Whats weird is they're treating their smaller IPs better.

[@JustinStrife]

I wouldn't say FFVIII was must play. The story was pretty bad.

[@ericv5435]

I really liked rebirth. Hopefully this doesn't hurt the chances of part 3 being released.

[@Vartazian360]

Yeah i will cry. Loved rebirth man it was so good. Square just needs to release these games on all platforms at once and cut the exclusivity crap.

[@derekosgood3230]

I think releasing it in 3 parts was the biggest mistake. It was completely unnecessary and probably stupid expensive. I did like rebirth. I loved FF16 as well. I still feel they're gonna release part 3. Hopefully it sells well.

[@Vartazian360]

@@derekosgood3230 I do agree though because only people who completed FF7R will probably play FF7R2, and more still, only people who beat FF7R2 will likely play FF7R3. They are seperate games but not really. Its one giant story, and so most people who come across FF7R3 in a store are not going to purchase simply because they will think: Well I need to play Part 1 and 2 first and thats too much money / investment so its a no buy.

[@derekosgood3230]

@@Vartazian360 Exactly, it's just too much of an investment and time-consuming as well. So not only will people need to be willing to buy all 3, you need people willing to put the time into all 3, and that's just a lot. All they needed to do was put that time and effort into one complete experience. It would have been better for the fans and for them, I believe. And it is sad because playing through both I can tell they put a lot of love and effort into these games.

[@agamersinsanity]

It won't they are determined to finish it.

[@Eddie2P]

they are going to have to go hd2d from now on

[@Xfushion2]

I don't think folk understand how crippling the PS5 exclusivity deal actually was. The PS5 doesn't even has half of the user-base of the PS4, which is the reason of why Sony themselves don't really support their own current-gen console with _true_ exclusive games, because if they did they would be limiting themselves to a much smaller market that the previous on they had, that's why they port their “exclusives” to PC and even in some cases still deploy to the PS4: to make up for the audience they lost. Meanwhile Square decided to make their two most anticipated titles exclusive to a console whose owner doesn't even fully supports and unironically tough they would have the same profit margins as they did with multiplafrom titles like XV or XIII. That was the long and short of their poor commercial performance. FFXVI and Rebirth not being turn based games wasn't a major factor, not when ever since FFXI the series hasn't put a game in that style (or even the classic ATB one) and has make bank regardless, hell the most successful game in not only the series but Square's track record (financially speaking) is FFXIV which uses real-time gameplay. Lastly my hot-take is that the _classic_ row-turn/ATB combat doesn't cut it anymore, not when games like Divinity, Baldur's Gate or Wrath of the Righteous exist. If they do want to make a turn based FF they should _inspire_ themselves by cRPGs or bring back the Tactics sub-series back (preferably that last one).

[@marcusclark1339]

classic style works fine still, liking the others more doesn't mean its better than older style thing about those games is mechanical complexity isn't for everyone nor should it become like those losing its identity even more

[@urielcalderon9639]

They should have left it on PS4 would have bolstered unit sales as many people were turned off by PS5

[@mokurai8233]

I finished FF XVI on the PS5, but going forward I am waiting for the PC releases. I don't want to experience the games at 30-40 FPS. I am waiting patiently for FF VII Rebirth.

[@gamblerfls]

People who played FF7 Remake on PC don't want to play on Playstation anymore. Since there this delay of exclusivity, the game obviously does not sell.

[@ehenningsen]

Im an OG final fantasy player dating all the way back to PS1. The only game i couldn't get into was FFXIII. Not that it was bad, but i couldn't get into it. The series is very well done today

[@whatistime5768]

I love FF16 more than rebirth. Love the route they are going with this. Def better dialogue and my Clive voice acting is absolutely amazing. The rates M is a must. They def need to spread this game to other platforms.

[@TaintedDarkBlade]

Fans want the complete FF7 Remake experience. Waiting multiple years between each part is killing it. Once the 3rd part of FF7 releases, I suspect the sales will pick up for Remake & Rebirth so the game can be played in full.

[@agamersinsanity]

It's impossible to make a huge game like that in 6-7 years without having to cut corners.

[@Kakashi20xd6]

I fully intend to buy 16 on PC. It just that I’ve waited this long, I can hold out a few more months to see if there will be a winter sale discount.

[@fellaette]

Waiting for rebirth to come to PC. I hope it happens

[@fmlitzchristian]

Final Fantasy desperately needs to launch on Steam day one from now on. By the time it comes to Steam the hype is already died down people watched gameplays or got spoiled for the games and don't wanna play them.

[@Francescofilmmaker]

You remember when they were angry about final fantasy being a ‘jrpg’ They’re basically saying that they aren’t made for their own people and then expecting it to sell well in Japan. They need to stop trying to be western and go with what they really are…..

[@gabrieldevoogel6225]

Why can’t they just go back to making actual turn based RPG’s to keep the dnd inspiration that got them popular to begin with, the future aesthetic and fantasy can mix too, just make a good game, market it well, and don’t pidgin hold your market

[@gamechuk]

I would have bought both day 1 if they were on Xbox 😮

[@bombyo3634]

The only problem is that we are rare. I'd have brought it too but most people on xbox don't buy games it's all gamepass. However that ff game with zack had so many comments on reviews that you can tell people on xbox want ff7. I told someone that and they didn't believe me. I'm thinking of selling my xsx and getting a pc since Sony is being money hungry

[@michaelbaker7021]

Square's CEO to the board, "Sorry but we have thrown all your good money away chasing rabbits down holes."

[@solonepeon5805]

Did they at least catch the baby rabbits?

[@OnyxKami]

I could care less what Square Enix does in the future. As long as I have my FF 7 trilogy, my adult childhood is complete.

[@ehenningsen]

I played FFXV on the PS4, the last console i owned. Im at the start of a PC play with 4k textures and reshade - looks way better.

[@Giggles_iJest]

I mean if they dropped the Playstation exclusivity from day1...

[@mannifinalsummer4544]

Honestly, FFXVI and FF7R&R just aren't blowing us players away anymore. The old FF titles were popular for their awesome story, for being innovative. But with all the other titles out there it's getting harder and harder to stand out. SE was always my biggest favorite but in the last years and months they failed to deliver. XVI was pretty good but the sudden change from "we're saving the world and everyone on it" to "we are treated like slaves and lost so many innocents on the way" kinda drove me mad 😅 I really love the game but my saviour complex has a hard time playing it xD FF7 was a desaster, I didn't enjoy it at all. Imo it's all pretty on the outside but everything except the battle mechs are awful. I will probably not waste anymore money on 7-3 again and I'm not missing anything. And then they even busted XIV with DT... I'm so disappointed with SE at the moment. I really hope they'll get on track soon or else this franchise will die 😢

[@Astrojammer]

This is sad, rebirth is such an amazing game, hopefully they bring it to PC soon and maybe switch 2 if that's at all a possibility. I held off on 16 as soon as i heard it would eventually come to PC, excited to now play it.

[@TheKozary]

needed turn based and not be 3 parts. Losing progress between parts sucks.

[@futurewolfjackson1628]

70$ just to play the dlc (played ps5)and i still have to get mods for cutscene speed and fov...its a hard buy

[@MrVentus1012]

They really should’ve just made the ff7 remake in one go.

[@solonepeon5805]

Exactly, but they wanted to squeeze a lot of $$$ from their fans by breaking it up.

[@wicked-witch-of-the-west]

*and turn based

[@derekosgood3230]

Yeah. 3 parts is stupid. Games take way too long to develop for all of that.

[@JustinStrife]

@@wicked-witch-of-the-west Give up on turn-based. It's never coming back to Final Fantasy.

[@onimusha222000]

still not sure FF7 rebirth without ps4 version has impact the sale number. Personally, I would like to see FF8 remake but the FF7 is not doing good in the future, FF8 will be no chance to remake

[@kennethreyes2804]

Honestly whats the point of console like playstation when theres a laptop or pc everything should be on pc , laptop , or handheld console

[@eddycraig4212]

They should have made them available on Xbox I would have for sure brought them

[@HadeTheReal]

I don't get it. The new FF games are good, why are people hating on them.

[@ab-hv8qs]

If two statement logically clash, then the chances are that one of the statement is false. In this case new FF games being good is probably false statement.

[@HadeTheReal]

@@ab-hv8qs Nah 16 and Rebirth are goated. And have great stories and characters.

[@GodofGoblins]

​@HadeTheReal so just because a game is good, doesn't mean it will sell well. Alan wake 2 is a very good game, it won awards and everything. And...it didn't even make profit. Meanwhile supermarket simulator prints money. Sit there and tell me that's a higher quality game than Alan wake 2. Lmao A games quality isn'teverything. And ff16 I'm sorry, but it's a very divisive game. People either love it or hate it. Full on action game will split the final fantasy Fandom, it is what it is. Rebirth is objectively a great game. But, remake was aaverage at best, and many fans wanted the exact same ff7 game but with better graphics. Instead, we got a sequel and different battle mechanics.OK, i like it but again, that will divide the Fandom. They keep splitting there audience, and that's on them.

[@pablocasas5906]

I've seen tons of people praising Final Fantasy VII Rebirth, many are confident that it could win this year's GOTY. There's a certain sector of the fanbase that didn't like the changes or that would like for FF to return to turn-based gameplay, but it seems the recent FF games have been well received by critics and audiences. It is a completely different issue that the games aren't attracting new players

[@GodofGoblins]

@@pablocasas5906 correct. the game is objectively high quality, and it will likely win awards. that doesnt mean it is a financial success or it will please everybody. Far from it. I love Rebirth, but the remake series is a very divisive series. It is what it is. The quality of the game isnt the issue

[@mikerude5073]

It's 1/3rd of a game, and the episodic nature ruins it. Even after part 3 releases, most people don't want to play it. It still is ruined as a singular experience, start to finish, by the gear and ability resets that the player would have to deal with, twice, during a full playthrough.

[@s7aceman127]

FF7 Remake failed becos it was advertised as a "Remake", instead we get a Reboot which no one was asking for. Fans felt cheated after playing Remake and is not interested in following the story into Rebrith, hence poor in sales for Rebirth.

[@wicked-witch-of-the-west]

Part 1 was linear. Zero exploration as expected. The materia system felt lacklustre and boring as sin. Summons were a waste of time, added nothing. And the gameplay was hack and slash. All style no substance - I'm not buying part 2, but i'll wager it's more of the same rubbish

[@PrincessZelda2020]

No, it failed because 1 Final Fantasy was never a big franchise, and 2 the game was originally exclusive to 1 platform.

[@s7aceman127]

@@wicked-witch-of-the-west i see you reasoning, for me Rebirth is Remake I wanted except for the story which was garbage

[@s7aceman127]

​@@PrincessZelda2020 FF is not a big franschise? It's just not as big anymore. Exclusivity is not the issue becos by that logic, Spiderman 2 would not have sold 10 mil since it is exclusive too. Nobody is interested to follow the story into Rebirth after the disappointment in Remake.

[@wicked-witch-of-the-west]

​@@s7aceman127​All of it, was garbage

[@tdkgilgamesh]

What you mean gatekeeping for Sony is coming back to bite them in the butt.... Scandalous

[@melissaschnaare9308]

I have been a final fantasy fan since the OG nintendo days its been my favorite series butcas of late i really dont connectvwith tge games the same way that i used to. The stories justcarent that good anymore. Nit when yiu have fantastic stories in other games like xenoblade 3 that story was so good and i connected wih it. Current FF stories its really just going through the motions i think and that is whats guetibg the series in my opinion.

[@solonepeon5805]

XC1 is deep to my heart, followed by the rest.

[@Jun123]

Sounds like Square Enix expected the territories outside of Japan to sell.

[@pablocasas5906]

Which is actually kind of hard, especially in regions where Final Fantasy isn't that well-known. For example, Final Fantasy XVI has a Neutral Spanish dub made in Mexico, it's the first Final Fantasy game dubbed into Spanish, but the FF series isn't very well known in Latin America, despite the fact that the PlayStation line of consoles have been very popular in the region since the late '90s, mostly because FF games weren't translated into Spanish (unless you lived in Spain), and for a plot-driven game with lots of texts, not being able to understand it was a death sentence for it relevance. Even Nintendo games received translations in Neutral Spanish and Portuguese since 2007. Square-Enix should have tried to raise some awareness for the Final Fantasy series in other regions ages ago

[@Ben-oh8rk]

The games never needed super graphics they had story and heart but it's lost.

[@MyDeeroc]

Just because it didn't sell to expectations doesn't mean it isn't Awesome

[@TheMarshallayoung]

Ff 16 was by far a way better game than ff13 and ff15 and those sold well and everyone hated both, that is proof the pirce is the biggest issue like i said in a previous comment, lower the damn price so people can afford new games

[@Ender424]

I loved FFXVI story but gameplay got stale. I think if it had a few characters in the party to play not just Clive it would have been much more enjoyable. I didn't beat it but I did watch rest of the story beats on YT. Also despite being it's own story newcomers probably wouldn't appreciate little things like how this was the first time the crystals were depicted as a bad entity or how neat that every nations has one of the famous summons as a nuclear deterrent. At this point I feel like the MMO is pretty much the go-to Final Fantasy experience more than any new title will likely ever be.

[@ArthurCosta00]

I have played on xbox for several years now. I’ve just finished building my pc and bought ff7 remake last Friday. I’m planning to buy ff16 right after I finish ff7. So yes, just break the exclusivity with Sony and it’ll sell bro. At least put it day one on pc.

[@masamune2984]

My man: I’m a game designer/systems developer IN the industry. Don’t EVER say people think/misunderstand SE’s projections. SE is ENTIRELY unrealistic, and always have been. (Remember when they thought the Tomb Raider reboot was going to be the highest selling game of all time?) You need to consolidate your thoughts into concise, thoughtful statements with more research, friend. Right now your videos come off as just flailing. I’m sorry. I wish you the best improvement and success in the future.