Finally - Biceps in Armwrestling

[@Chingozpingoz]

You dont know how happy I am that you are still on youtube. Blessings and love from Bosnia❤❤❤

[@daniels2880]

@markus liebminger

[@andyg4929]

Hammer curls and reverse curls for the win!

[@lorenzobellistri8839]

You deserve way more visibility, I think it s rare finding someone so knowledgable in the sport that publics video too. Great job, cheers from Italy

[@Dmgolfer22]

Another good channel I found randomly is Arm Wrestling Secrets. A great archive of knowledge.

[@justaguyfromreddit]

Purtroppo ha commesso alcuni gravi errori anatomici in questo video

[@POOLWINNER-t8r]

​@@justaguyfromredditwhich?

[@adriangrigg4392]

I'm glad someone can finally give more insight about aspects of armwrestling that's not really talked about in detail

[@adamkucera9579]

Chris, as a beginner armwrestler I find your in-depth opinions invaluable and I'm thankful that you've chosen to keep putting out content. Cheers from Australia.

[@itstabularr]

bro i also live in australia and can't find anyone to armwrestle apart from my family and friends but no actual armwrestlers

[@denda2643]

This is so great, Chris. Good, that we have you. Appreciate you a lot. Happy new year and greetings from germany.

[@kylestyleLEGO]

@2:00 the “brac-attack” sucks as a beginner 😂 it’s good to know most of elbow flexion is from the brachialis and not just having huge biceps 💪🏼

[@posilna7944]

Glad you are still posting videos buddy!

[@ZackTheArmWrestler]

There’s a lot of valuable info in this video. Thanks teach 😊

[@nickd.7267]

Any isolated curls will do good. I do a lot of isolative workouts and it's massively boosted my abilities on the table.

[@Mr.McIntyre]

Brother! Happy holidays. These are so very good. Plz keep them coming. Happy new years to you and yours.🦾

[@samuelsmith6804]

This video is exactly right and what I also tell people. But there is an exception, on my right arm I Press, I train my bicep to initiate supination at the start to assist in cup and bring shoulder forward,but that’s still mostly about position and speed. However, the strength of the press comes almost entirely from using almost your whole body to drive your bicep into your forearm and training the ability to keep your hand inside your shoulder. If your bicep is small, your hand will touch your shoulder which is a foul. The bigger your bicep the further you will keep your hand away and the more you can drive into your own forearm. Your bicep needed to be pretty big for this to be effective because you aren’t fully supinated when pressing, sometimes you are even pronated, so you don’t get that big flex to make it really pop out. So if you press it’s worth training biceps, more for size than outright strength. On my left arm I don’t press. So don’t do any bicep exclusive work at all. I train back pressure and elbow flexion exclusively in neutral and pronated position. When I hook I want that elbow angle as tight as possible, giant bicep is counter productive. I can touch my shoulder easily on my left but can’t get close on right.

[@thedrew24]

KZbin algorithm boosting comment 💪 ... always giving me more to think about 🤔 thanx man!

[@colemurphy8964]

Very good video. You articulate topics very well. Well done 👍

[@heaz32]

This may be a philosophical anatomy debate, but I would say that the biceps and brachioradialis act more to stabalize the elbow synergistically rather than say that they are antagonists. This may be semantics, however considering they each also act to initiate elbow flexion, provide adaptability to forearm position, and coordinate movement lets me think about training in a slightly different manner. I think you very much get synergistic effects. I think most anatomists would agree that elbow flexion is still the primary movement of the biceps, while agreeing that the bieceps plays a primary role in supination. I'm not sure where you're getting that. I do agree that most guys aren't winning as a result of pure biceps strength.

[@snsdkbopper7819]

I pretty much agree with everything you said, I actually think that big hands & biceps are both overrated for arm wrestling.

[@lorenzobellistri8839]

Well, that s pretty much what Chris said in the video, biceps won t be the decisive factor to make you win matches most of the time

[@michaelcook6483]

Larratt doesnt think sidepressure and bicep are important. But thats because his bíceps and chest were super developed from when he was a hook puller

[@jacobneuman6161]

Top notch video !!!

[@Jordy_Sal]

I believe anybody who hasn't been in a deep hook says you don't need bicep strength

[@ChrisDrummondAW]

I’ve been in plenty. Todd Hutchings and John Brzenk have been in even more. It’s rarely the difference maker.

[@Jordy_Sal]

@ChrisDrummondAW oh man I didn't think you'd reply lol. But my view on it is the short head and supenation are extremely tied in together. Anytime I've been in a hook I 100% can feel it in my bicep (the short head). It's a muscle that a part of my personal connection runs directly through.

[@ChrisDrummondAW]

I would say you should examine your hook mechanics, then. It’s not like it’s impossible to have the pressure there or anything but it’s inefficient and ultimately weaker than properly using your wrist, back and shoulder.

[@jacobneuman6161]

You only need biceps when you lose pronation , which means you just need more pronation not more bicep

[@ChinGozBasedtheIII]

2 Questions my friend: How often should I fail an exercise on max effort day? Are 4 different exercises for max effort days enough for a beginner?

[@ChrisDrummondAW]

How often? You find a weight you fail on every max effort day. No, 4 movements is not enough I’d say. Try rotating between 8 max effort vectors over 2 months.

[@bradprovik453]

If I work up to a weight and fail on ME day, I always rest 2-3 and try one more time. Second failure and that's a wrap for max on that exercise and move on to volume work. Rotate 8 exercises. 6 months of conjugate and have seen small consistent gains in lifts I'm sure had not moved in a year or more.

[@Chingozpingoz]

​@@ChrisDrummondAW sorry i meant for example: i have a side pressure vector i reach my max effort lift and then i reach a weight i fail. How often should i now repeat the lift with the same weight i just failed.

[@rodneydongerfield5378]

haven't even seen the vid yet but I already know it's blasphemy

[@360ArtandCraft.]

Thanks 👍 , Man you have knowledge. So Which is the best exercise for strong elbow flection ❤❤❤

[@R4EL]

So for biceps specifically, is it better to do static lifts and holds at 90° rather than partial curls and just replace the partials with fom like strict curls?

[@jorancardon7125]

If you ever decide to start coaching i definitely wanna get coached by you

[@ChrisDrummondAW]

I don’t do it anymore. Maybe I will again one day but things will be different than they were.

[@mohgraal8069]

@@ChrisDrummondAW Sorry for my intrusion, but may I know what will be different if you comeback? I was interested to be coached/mentored but unfortunately you have discontinued your coaching services

[@ChrisDrummondAW]

Fewer people, more experienced athletes, and probably higher prices. I’ll be more selective about who I train, basically. I may expand my Future Champions KZbin membership materials to fit a wider array of athletes but as far as private coaching it gets a little old doing the same thing over and over with every new guy who wants to train conjugate. If you want a taste of what it’s like, my Future Champions KZbin membership level gives you a lot of what I do but without the one-on-one interaction. I even guide how to make adjustments but obviously am not doing customization for members.

[@jorancardon7125]

@ChrisDrummondAW coaching or no coaching you give allot of information on your channel and i stil learn allot from you thanks to you i placed 6 place on my first ever tournament and i want to thank you for all your work you put in to help us

[@Alrat115]

Bro, one question - about biceps When i looked at Denis sparrings, for me, its looked like he supinate his arm by biceps and with keeping tenshion in this biceps, he is locking in half-wrist curl and half-pronation, after that He Just keep this strong position with his structure, which works like a wave cutter. Am i wrong? His biceps always looks like it has a lot of tenshion within, all big and shreddered as opponent tries to attack. Its looks like Dennis supinate through open fingers (little finger basicly) and only after that adds wrist and pronation (+lats that most important in this style, like one hand chin-ups). Only in this manner i can save biceps tenshion like Dennis.

[@ChrisDrummondAW]

Sure there’s tension in his biceps.

[@xcskiing_universe]

What about triceps? How much does it help in comparison to the biceps?

[@ChrisDrummondAW]

They're basically used for stabilization but aren't meaningful force developers, even in a press. If you have a tricep tear or something you'll have a hard time doing anything but far outside moves but you can have weak triceps and still armwrestle pretty well.

[@xcskiing_universe]

@@ChrisDrummondAW What you're saying seems to be right. Devon has zero triceps thickness, but thanks to his rise-cup-roll, it's impossible to get through his hand. I believe the local cross sectional area on the relevant muscles is what matters. for ex. Devon has a crazy thick pronator muscle. He is maybe skinny overall, but he has the necessary muscle volume in the parts of the arm where it really matters. In addition to that, he is neurologically maximized. I also noticed Denis (in recent times) having zero triceps, but he still seems to be up there.

[@ArmwrestlingShowcase]

Wow you just made me realize that I armwrestle incorrectly. I over supinate when I hook and give up my pronation. Chris, can you watch this short video and tell me what else I need to make a priority. My evaluation is: pronation through hand, rising, cupping. kzbin.infoZTNWk6p-A5I?si=khOEflSbmBJSQa3S

[@ChrisDrummondAW]

You kind of hold on when you shouldn't which got you caught in round 1 and possibly round 3, didn't see the strap setup. But round 2 you had a good position but instead of dragging and adding ulnar deviation to cut down on his pronation you were basically trying to armwrestle him with just your biceps which, while strong enough to get a few stops, gave you no attacking options.

[@ArmwrestlingShowcase]

Thank you for the review Chris!

[@Dmgolfer22]

I get pain on the bottom outer side of the bicep. Is that distal bicep tendon or brachialradials?

[@ChrisDrummondAW]

Not sure just from that description. Does it ever hurt during a hammer or reverse curl?

[@justaguyfromreddit]

You are wrong on this one chris. The bicep shows activation in ANY position, even when pronated. And studies shows that ESPECIALLY during eccentrics, there is notable activation, aka, very important for armwrestling

[@jacobneuman6161]

Show us the studies please

[@justaguyfromreddit]

​@@jacobneuman6161due to some reason the comments with the links keps getting eliminated, interesting.... I quote "When the arm gets above 90 degrees whether the hand is palms up or down or in a neutral position the bicep is fully activated to elicit further upward movement."

[@justaguyfromreddit]

​@@jacobneuman6161to sum it up, once you get close enough the bicep activates no matter what, and in the eccentric it is the same. So at any moment the opponents attack or puts pressure, you are indeed using the bicep just as much as the brachialis

[@ChrisDrummondAW]

If you’re referring to anything depending on EMG then you should understand that even high electrical activity in a muscle group is not indicative of meaningful force development. For example, biceps are highly active in the bench press according to EMG but we all know the biceps aren’t lifting the weight. Yes, there’s a contribution to elbow flexion. No, it’s not as strong as the brachialis which has a deeper insertion and a larger cross section. Nobody is deleting your comments, Martino.

[@justaguyfromreddit]

​@@ChrisDrummondAWI never accused you to delete my comments, it is just youtube doing youthbe things

[@MISTER_DREY.]

Before your next practice burnout your biceps using weights then get on the table see what happens.

[@ChrisDrummondAW]

try only burning out your biceps without burning out your brachialis and/or brachioradialis. I've never had sore biceps no matter how much armwrestling I've done but I'm not basing my whole philosophy here on anecdotes.

[@MISTER_DREY.]

@@ChrisDrummondAW I'm less than a year into armwrestling and everything is sore.😅 but I know I don't use my biceps by choice but get turned in and my team is good about not blasting so it's not used in competition but during practice it can get worked.

[@datodato9526]

What is down pressure and what does it do in hook?