Can the Vatican reform its finances? | FT Film

[@mr.o8539]

"Can the Vatican reform its finances?" -some guy in 1120

[@in8187]

The Vatican is worth at least 2 trillion. Don't let this video fool you. They run the world.

[@anonUK]

Some guy 20 years after the Council of Nicaea was wondering the same thing. In the 11th century (so before 1120), St. Peter Damian had drawn up new rules about the priest-altarboy situation. There's nothing new under the sun.

[@barbarakloise6790]

So we all know the greed and corruption goes way way way back!

[@barbarakloise6790]

If they had nothing to hide why would they not hand over the books to the auditor General. Ok first clue!

[@WavyMcWaveFace]

Having people with no financial training managing money is going to run into problems sooner of later. Imagine your elderly relative being persuaded by fund manager/salesperson to invest in something like a structured investment. Not that different actually. A lot of people target wealthy old people.

[@6Oko6Demona6]

It's one thing to manage your own wealth, especially when you're just middle-class. Managing multiple billions worth of wealth is a whole new level. With that said I don't think it's just clerics who do that in the church, they're not really that stupid to delegate that task to untrained devotes. But it's still not what it should be :)

[@sanjayvaidya4925]

Centuries of experience up in smoke.

[@jessgatt5441]

The Vatican has known everything there has ever been know how to manage money since AD 300.

[@m-hayek1985]

@@6Oko6Demona6 is “financial training” is college, then you don’t know what your talking about.

[@m-hayek1985]

is “financial training” is college, then you don’t know what your talking about.

[@BoneyHead959]

Fantastic film FT. I've always been interested in the vatican's finances. This was a great watch.

[@aclark903]

But in the interests of full disclose, we need to know: is the producer of this film Catholic, Anglican, atheist? What?

[@in8187]

The Vatican is worth at least 2 trillion. Don't let this video fool you. They run the world.

[@avantelvsitania3359]

As the Pope said, the fact that these obscure issues are being investigated is a sign that the new mechanisms are working. The Church is seriously reforming it’s image.

[@50_Pence]

Dont be silly

[@kuyachamp7618]

They need a huge reform, the Vatican always forgets that they are a country and they need to have reforms.

[@vinnycorrado1407]

It’s way worse than that don’t be blind, as a good catholic you should never cloud your judgement and be ignorant to sin. acknowledge it and forgive them

[@vinnycorrado1407]

It’s way worse than that don’t be blind, as a good catholic you should never cloud your judgement and be ignorant to sin. acknowledge it and forgive them

[@vinnycorrado1407]

It’s way worse than that don’t be blind as a good catholic you should never cloud your judgement and be ignorant to sin. acknowledge it and forgive them

[@edge7375]

For such an institution, sourcing money is not much of an effort. Hence, they cannot feel how difficult it is for many to give their hard earned money to the church. Detached from such realities and without investment expertise, they become easy victims of criminals, both internal and external.

[@saidufofanah2210]

Bingo

[@Kitiwake]

Is money that important?

[@lavernethomasbey6822]

GODFATHER III

[@pl2464]

@@Kitiwake To them, it is.

[@Kitiwake]

@@pl2464 why is that?

[@saitamapunch8035]

Wow, what a great Minidocumentary! Not only the content is well made, the cinematography (especially the ending) is also excellent!

[@in8187]

The Vatican is worth at least 2 trillion. Don't let this video fool you. They run the world.

[@RobertojavierSilvaharth-ub3pz]

Yeah, they are not only into making money, the are also onto propaganda!!

[@davidbrown4540]

This is the exact plot of Godfather Part III. And that plot was based on the PREVIOUS Vatican financial scandal of the 80s, detailed in Gerald Posner's book "God's Bankers"

[@Sill1992]

Am I the only one wondering why the Vatican is investing money randomly instead of improving on the general well being of those in need?

[@carlabroderick5508]

The Vatican may receive funds for the purpose of endowment, in other words funds which are to be invested and through investment yield money which is used to help those in need. Bequests may come with instructions. On the other hand, what quantity of funds is invested versus used in charity could be one of the Vatican’s problems which Francis wishes to change. Most churches operate like businesses in the sense they may not own their own buildings, but these are mortgaged and those mortgages are paid from income produced by endowments.

[@NEPALESE.AMERICAN]

They are devil worshipping lizards in disguise.

[@Psyche721]

They are a large institution with limited ways to generate cash when required. When times are good, they make investments to grow their money. When times are bad, they sell their investments to keep themselves afloat. If they were to sell all assets to help the poor, then if times turned down, they would go bankrupt.

[@MikeTooleK9S]

All ethnic groups have a certain statistical occurrence of pastoral abuse but the Roman Catholic institution is a giant criminal gang now

[@nathanmorlonski1265]

@@Psyche721 They could only influence believers to help poors and that still counts in my opinion

[@Nikhil_George]

I really appreciate FT for this documentary..... I really enjoyed it and it was very informative

[@in8187]

The Vatican is worth at least 2 trillion. Don't let this video fool you. They run the world.

[@csanton3946]

The best thing to do is to setup a private entity independent of vatican and where the investors are the donors and the vatican only requests money to fund current expenses, that way we can minimize the vatican using the money for their personal and go directly to expenditure and put management expertise on the funds dedicated to the vaticans cause. Right now when an entity makes a donation to the vatican, they dont have a say on where it goes the moment the fund is received by the vaticna

[@ScheKitoff]

But Vatican would also like the control and independence from other entities. Thats why they are not transparent with authorities and has many times resolved issues internally -- may it be financial or moral issues.

[@cupcakemcsparklebutt9051]

Like

[@in8187]

The Vatican is worth at least 2 trillion. Don't let this video fool you. They run the world.

[@rdc2021]

The Vatican is a Nation, you wouldnt expect the US to set up an independent private entity to handle the USA's money, instead the Goverment sets up departments in charge of its finances. The Vatican also has its own financial department, its corrupt and needs cleaning but that is the only thing to be done. You cannot ask an independent soverign nation to surrender its finances to a private institution

[@emilysevastou5075]

The European Parliament must be involved!

[@ludovicoc7046]

Small wonder that Vatican finances played a huge role in the plot of Godfather Part III.

[@markwilson9210]

They are the godfather part 1 part 2 and part 3. They are the real mafia

[@in8187]

The Vatican is worth at least 2 trillion. Don't let this video fool you. They run the world.

[@fuckbankers]

In Europe the Vatican is immune from being sued for child abuse. They're saving a few bob there but then there's America and Canada.

[@mygoogle1594]

Roberto Calvi got to be a 'swinger'.

[@alainportant6412]

@@markwilson9210 they pulled me back in

[@pl4673]

The church spent $4B closing sexual assault related cases in 2019

[@danielt.3152]

That does not include selling real estate to cover the loses due to the pedophile priests

[@harishdavinci8290]

Insane

[@AJ-ox8xy]

Yep many of the top people there are all pedos and degenerates.

[@m-hayek1985]

@@danielt.3152 how about pedophile teachers who abuse 5 times higher than priests and clergy

[@fuckbankers]

Shockingly the european court has decided that people who have been abuse in Europe can't sue.

[@taqiyasir8086]

As a proud Roman Catholic this makes me very sad and my heart aches for my beloved Catholic Church. :(

[@kuyachamp7618]

@Villa Antulanga There's a huge difference between the sin of Pride and proud. That's the dumbest incoherent statement made possible by you lmao._.

[@johnford1043]

This is only scratches the surface.

[@cbinsyd]

Where there is power, there is the abuse of power - in every level. Dont be surprised that the Catholic Church is probably the largest abuser of its power.

[@davidesparza3637]

1000 years of corruption. Nothing holy or beloved about it.

[@mr.anderson2241]

@@davidesparza3637 1000 years if you’re just biased

[@ogukuo97]

Whataboutism is a weak argument, but seriously, the Vatican Bank is hardly the only one in need of some serious looking at, right? By definition, any bank based in London ought to have been given a close looking over.

[@juhakosonen4024]

"whataboutism is a weak argument but let me still use this opportunity to deflect blame from a nation state with vast amounts of wealth and political power. Look at the banks instead!"

[@josephbrennan370]

@@juhakosonen4024 🙏. Well said

[@the11382]

This isn't a bank, this is the Vatican. The pope is a religious leader, he should be held to a higher moral standard. Even the Bible holds priests and priest leaders to higher standards than the people.

[@gold9994]

@@the11382 No, we should treat the pope the same as the others, hence the other way around.

[@in8187]

The Vatican is worth at least 2 trillion. Don't let this video fool you. They run the world.

[@iparipaitegianiparipaitegi4643]

When a huge institution’s finances are managed by cleric amateurs, everything can occur. It’s time for specialists to be appointed.

[@tweisbek2]

The problem is that the Catholic Church is made up of men who at best are clueless and stubborn, and at worst they are all always running a large number of scams to grift money for themselves and their network of allies. Pope Francis is in the minority insofar as he deeply believes in a "church that is poor" and heavily concerned with social and economic injustice; but unlike Francis most high ranking priests are from rich families ane have privileged backgrounds. They deeply believe that the world should stay as unequal as it currently is and that change should always be in the absolute fringes and as little as possible

[@zeitgeistx5239]

Lol that’s by design, the Vatican bank was at one point banned by the US government for money laundering for drug dealers.

[@herzkine]

Yeah sure like trump and maddof :-D

[@kuyachamp7618]

@@tweisbek2 Agreed, as a Catholic myself, the intention of the Church is good but those who govern the church not specifically the pope but the clergy are awfully corrupt. The Vatican must soon realize that they are not just handling a religion, they are handling a country with international status, and they need to appoint people who have professional backgrounds on certain aspects of the Church and the Vatican as a whole. The Roman Catholic Church is the largest Catholic dominion within the Catholic spectrum, they are a giant institution that literally needs a country for it to organize everything because unlike before they don't hold power over other nations' governments anymore. So, they need the Vatican as a nation for them to operate overseas, what they forgot is that a country is susceptible to corruption no matter the state's ideology or beliefs.

[@leonelantonio6512]

This institution was never benevolent since created !!! To be honest this is the times for them cause their not torturing, starting crusades , stealing lands in name of god , there’s no inquisition etc . And their starting to talk about the corruption inside the church !!! This institution since foundation was always for the big important families history can proof that !!!!

[@jrgq]

First of all, should the Vatican be an institution with focus on profit? The 350 millions they invested should be use to help people that don’t have something to eat.

[@Anti-socialSocialClub]

They are much smarter than you think ...and actually thats how proper charities work. They don't give away the donations to the needy, they invest the donations and give the interest to the needy. The donations continue to make money for hundreds of years and that way there will always be more money going to he needy....smart right

[@doom2avatar]

@@Anti-socialSocialClub hahahhahahha!!!!!

[@e1ay3dme12]

This is just as much a hit piece as it is factually accurate or inaccurate. It's no mistake that this piece is coming out at this time in history. What is a church, religion in modernity? How is it connected to the other scandals? Who has been paying for those other scandals?

[@josephbrennan370]

@@Anti-socialSocialClub effective altruism

[@justinallen2408]

@@josephbrennan370 yeah but it's not altruism because none of that money is actually used for charity they just say it's used for it whilst they "invest" or more accurately "pocket" said moneys.

[@dee-jay45]

The vatican should just have their money in a global index fund like the ACWI. No need for individual money managers, little opportunity for corruption and mismanagement.

[@VivaLegolastef90]

That does not work for large asset holders. The disruption on markets would be strong. At some point you are "forced" to venture into alternative asset classes or at least do not simply purchase a publicly traded instrument en masse.

[@Jvksiew]

it'll be bigger than most funds' AUM , it won't work

[@MoAli-wm4of]

@@Jvksiew exactly this would influence the overall fund and market way too much to.not have it split into multiple asset.types ... They should collab with the Italian finance Dept ..as long as it's not against the Catholic rules etc

[@in8187]

The Vatican is worth at least 2 trillion. Don't let this video fool you. They run the world.

[@hey.sanoop]

Mormon Church in the US is so rich that they can end both food scarcity and homelessness in the country and still left $47 billion 😱

[@ogukuo97]

@Just a mustard seed Don't know about the Mormons, but the Catholics are doing just that, helping to alleviate hunger and homelessness, all over the world and for the past centuries.

[@kuyachamp7618]

@Just a mustard seed Who do you think they do it for? Napoleon?

[@gregorjerman973]

@Just a mustard seed Do mormons do it as well in the Name of Jesus Christ? who is not a polygamist Polytheistic being>?

[@bigmanjoe3603]

That's $1 for The Vatican lmao

[@the11382]

Food scarcity is a problem of supply chains. Homelessness is a problem of maintenance(who is going to maintain all of those homes?).

[@DanSme1]

As a retired CPA/Auditor/Finance/Banking professional (35yrs) and former Roman Catholic (first 20 years, nearly 73 now) I found the video interesting but not surprising. Large religious organizations are poorly run and often incorrigible the world over. The lack of adequate financial controls even extend to local churches. The roots of the Vatican’s corruptions are nearly two millennia old.

[@aclark903]

Time to go back to Church: full audits of our sins take place on the Day of Judgement.

[@in8187]

The Vatican is worth at least 2 trillion. Don't let this video fool you. They run the world.

[@aclark903]

@@in8187 How does the Vatican 'run' Asia? Most of Asia isn't even Catholic!

[@in8187]

@@aclark903 there is so much I can tell you upon this subject brother it's ridiculous. First of all, why is it that everytime the world's religious leaders get together the pope is always in the center? Second why did Biden say that he was speaking to Putin and Xi Jiping recently because they are coming into an agreement to make an autocracy? Third why is it that some of the popes wear Templar crosses on their outfits?

[@aclark903]

@@in8187 It's not a sin to wear a cross..

[@lester8430]

If the Vatican could reform finances as well as they could reform a trasero then I think no one would be poor. Thanks for the reporting.

[@luismanuelpotencianonorato9672]

Señor genio como le hará usted? Si los países pobres y sus gobiernos corruptos?

[@graham1034]

Would like the hear more details about the London property transaction specifically. How did they purchase a property that subsequently doubled in value and end up losing money on it?

[@TheRealSpeedWolf]

That it's simple someone is stealing in the coffers which they was trying to take care of by bringing in outside help but because of very old customs anything that try to reform that will affect their livelihood that they benefits from hundreds of years. which can undermine the whole existence of the Roman Catholic Church which serve no purpose in today's society and the last thing they want is people asking more question in regards to that. such as them enriching themselves from people that have very little means as well as the cover-up of sexual abuse of children. Is already difficult to see the difference between an organized criminal group and their Institution. in fact, judging by history they go side by side.

[@rosecolouredglasses]

The price increased before the Vatican paid for it. In 2012 the bldg was valued at 130m GBP, in 2014 when the Vatican paid for the bldg, it cost 200m GBP.

[@m-hayek1985]

@@TheRealSpeedWolf public school teachers do 5 time more abuse than clergy

[@taylordyer4087]

@@m-hayek1985what does that have to do with this comment? You seem lost lol

[@novemberalpha6023]

"It seems in today's world the power to absolve debt is greater than the power of forgiveness....... 600 million dollars"

[@ScheKitoff]

Or more as the liability has not been sold yet

[@novemberalpha6023]

@@ScheKitoff it was a dialog from Godfather 3

[@raczstar]

"Don't overestimate the power of forgiveness."

[@Invictus357]

And this is why Cardinal Pell was got rid of, because he was getting too close to the truth.

[@hordeslayer5223]

He was getting a little too close to choir boys based on their testimony.

[@Invictus357]

@@hordeslayer5223 If you look AT the evidence, he would never have had the time for any of what he was accused of. And the fact there were so many people in that area of the church, at the time it supposedly happened, completely ruled out, even the possibility of such an action. Considering it was his first mass as a Bishop, he had a person with him (not a couple of Choir boys), to help with vestments. And even his accuser said in the end, that he was coerced into bringing the charges. The testimony was from one, the other had passed away before any accusations were brought. I’m not a fan of the Catholic Church, but I am a fan of justice.

[@hildaelson4203]

As a Catholic, I’m in full support of exposing these wolves in sheep’s clothing. Jesus could always say ‘I told you so.’ It’s time to purge the Church of all the scums, be it financial, sexual or political issues.

[@albertfinney1328]

Whatever you think it's been like, brace yourself, it's much worse. It will come as a dreadful shock to so many. I truly feel for you all.

[@samsimm]

Can these people be trusted with such a huge amount of money? I always have doubts in these people who claim to be God's people. There is no transparency at all. Poor people donating money to the Church. I just can't imagine all this garbage. It's like during Martin Luther's time about selling indulgences that led to the protestant reformation. I understand that the Catholic Church has 2 trillions in their own bank. How could all this money with no proper respective experts manage it. I have no faith in the Catholic Church.

[@kenllacer]

I guess if you've been collecting generous amounts of 'donations' for 2 thousand years from Kings and Peasants you would have built up an impressive collection of gold, real estate, and precious art. Losing a few billion is irrelevant.

[@erics3886]

Ken I believe the Catholic church is the largest real estate owner in the world.

[@236715238221]

Every country got plenty of catholic churches and there could be money going to and fro to buy lands for building churches and collect back money perennially from the investment made!

[@karmabiteshard1846]

They are the richest religion in the world...since the beginning of time..

[@mygoogle1594]

Asset-Rich, but currently (relatively) cash-poor.

[@augustinefaithdefender]

Pope Francis is not just a Peacemaker with nations of the world, he is making things right in the Vatican, he is a gift from God! Pray for the Pope!

[@MisterTutor2010]

It's a miracle he hasn't been poisoned.

[@zidorovichburblyatya2862]

Amen!

[@zidorovichburblyatya2862]

@@MisterTutor2010 Because he serving the poor with his heart.

[@richardshiggins704]

No wrongdoing all round ! Three Our Fathers , three Hail Marys and a Gloria , Amen .

[@hasanchoudhury5401]

Most of the religious organizations are elaborate extraction systems for the ordinary people in all of various religious populations. Money economy politics and governance has been designed for the same extractions from the people.

[@stanlywlodykajimenez9885]

Fascinating, but pls make the title cards longer than 8 seconds

[@ladyhonor822]

GOD BLESS YOU SIR ❣️

[@bobteo813]

I dont think so....Cardinal Pell tried but ended up in jail...later was release...but then theres the code of silence...

[@TRDPaul]

So they make a loss of £100 million and they decide to take it out of money intended to be given to the needy. Why not sell of some of their ridiculous assets?

[@HAIDAYY]

Anybody interested in Vatican's finance shenanigans find the book God's Bankers by Gerald Posner. This video barely scratched the surface.

[@vingsnes_ep8671]

Excellent report. Looking forward to the next chapter.

[@kennethhurley422]

Kind of strange for holy men to be living in splendor when they preach modesty.

[@m-hayek1985]

Vatican apartments are a 3.5 star hotel at best. It’s not as luxurious as you think.

[@kennethhurley422]

@@m-hayek1985 You know .... what are the other aspects of their lives like? How do they travel? What do they consume?

[@kennethhurley422]

@@m-hayek1985 If the church is having money problems they should do simple things like fire their current "help" and hire new help. Maybe sell off the treasures in the vatican vaults. Or settling stupid lawsuits. I guarantee there's a lot of embezzling and frivolous spending as in every gigantic organization.

[@m-hayek1985]

@@kennethhurley422 I find it funny how people think clergy live in luxury. Perhaps some Protestant maga church pastors do but the average income of a priest is a 30k pension per year. No salary but a pension form the church. For a bishop it’s around 60k. Some very top positions 100k full max.

[@albertfinney1328]

That's rich, the vatican calling out ANYONE.

[@gold9994]

This is why I never donated any money to church anymore, I gave my money to people in needs (nursing home ot orphanage). Also, I usually gave them in form of foods, clothings, or rennovation money. I don't give money in the form of real money.

[@asdfghjk8876]

The money collected after service would go to the local parish and not the Vatican

[@karmabiteshard1846]

U sure? I thought theres somesort of royalty to be paid to vatican

[@gold9994]

@@asdfghjk8876 Guess what, I don't really care. Church has received much money from other people. I'm gonna use my money to help people that are truly in need. I'm paranoid about giving my money to an unknown entity (church is known, but not transparent enough).

[@gold9994]

@Allah prays to Jesus yes, mine. But i don't publicize it. If i'm giving to the church, that's a large sum of money, that it's not possible to give it anonymously.

[@gold9994]

@Allah prays to Jesus Yes, whatever. Not putting my oney to those corrupt pastors that have a mercedes benz.

[@TheMrFishnDucks]

Very informative video. Please do more of this long form content. Keep up the good work.

[@selimbennouir6238]

the Pope agreed to implement policies without my approval and this is why he needs to review this decision otherwise he knows the outcome, compromising would be beneficial to everyone while if you insist to control the entire project isn’t a wise decision

[@taylordyer4087]

I’m confused… what is your authority that suggests the Pope should receive your approval for these policies?

[@blancasonora714]

There's a difference between secret and privacy.

[@augustinefaithdefender]

I hope that there is no crazy and stupid conspiracy theories about the Catholic Church in this comment section! Keep it sane everyone and stop bearing false witness against us!

[@wstevenson4913]

Only an idiot or a con artist could "lose" money on this London property deal. My money is on the conman

[@trinaedwards8182]

They are dripping in the blood of the saints,never forget that

[@speaklifegardenhomesteadpe8783]

💯 The protest is never over. God bless the martyrs.

[@qhuizatlantis8484]

I wonder how rich the Vatican is, 5 Trillion? Or more?

[@franceleeparis37]

Guess you want some of that … right..? Well God may not think so..😏

[@qhuizatlantis8484]

@@franceleeparis37 Im not as low like you who wants stolen riches. Bagag nawng papansin

[@antoniofranco6230]

Certainly much more than that; take into account this institution have been around way before the founding of the USA.

[@herzkine]

@@antoniofranco6230 i think the churches alone are a nearly immeasurable wealth

[@wilkinlow]

The money is another thing, but imagining having total control over millions of people minds. That is scary

[@Gunslinger65]

Thank you!

[@pietrodeveloper]

the music at the end... lmao

[@ritawing1064]

Rather a hackneyed choice, I thought.

[@oneone8318]

How about the Vatican giving all money back to the people?

[@basichistory]

Interesting video well done FT

[@hiddenfromhistory100]

"My kingdom is not of this world" - "You cannot serve God and Mammon" - Jesus

[@ltaproductions7989]

"That money was just resting in my account..."

[@kenknight5983]

That would be an ecumenical matter

[@asoulalignedhowgodhealshis6682]

Fascinating how easy they can cut ties when their money is involved... how about the innocence of children?

[@BranislavOsif]

Very interesting story. I am not surprised.

[@gregoryhamblett9071]

You know when he said! About not whom you know! But what what you know about them, it's a pit of vipers..

[@TracyW-me8br]

For the last several years, probably 7-8 years, my husband and I have stopped all tithing except to our local parish and it’s specific needs like insurance, building maintenance, parish charities, and local charities. We only tithe when we have good faith on where the money will go. Not one penny to anything Francis could possibly end up having his paws on.

[@AJ-ox8xy]

Yes excellent, that's what is required to drive these demons from the Church and expose their outside funny money from evil sources.

[@adisons3965]

If we can pressure countries to be transparent why can’t we pressure them 🤷‍♂️

[@danremenyi1179]

I imagine that the Vatican can absorbe a £100 million lost without breaking a sweat.

[@michaelheliotis5279]

Probably, but Francis is rather notoriously frugal and takes Church funds rather seriously as he appreciates more than most the sacrifices that people endure to provide those funds. It might be pennies for the Church, but for many of the parishoners who donated them, those were the only pennies they had. If his career in Argentina is anything to go by, caring for and properly disposing of those donations is not a duty that Francis takes lightly.

[@GrimYak]

Yes and if it was a different pope this wouldn’t have been a scandal. But Francis is trying to reform the vatican in image and finances. He is ruffling some feathers

[@fuckbankers]

There are a lot of sexual abuse cases to settle .

[@彭鹏-g5h]

Thank you FT❤️

[@sajithchannadathu7902]

The Italians were running their cool side show until the argentine came and stating poking his nose in things. then it got steamy

[@Rumptertumskin79]

wow. Great dramatic music to go with it, too!

[@centurione6489]

Pope John Paul I had this as a priority. See what happened next … The coincidences ...

[@ElisaPalumbo-iq3kk]

Gli animali selvatici sono davvero incredibili! Osservarli nei loro habitat naturali rivela la bellezza e la complessità degli ecosistemi. Dalla maestosità di un'aquila in volo alle giocose buffonate di una famiglia di lontre, ogni specie gioca un ruolo cruciale nel mantenimento dell'equilibrio. È un promemoria dell’importanza della conservazione e della protezione di queste magnifiche creature per le generazioni future

[@hazyb91]

So complicated that I’m none the wiser after watching this video lol

[@Truthseeker371]

Shroders Banking Group in UK manage the Vatican finance. At least it's one of the fund managers. Why don't media question the fund managers?

[@kobbiemelo2203]

I feel like I just watched a documentary about a fortune 500 company and not a church.

[@fuckbankers]

It's a big business

[@1TheNews]

The estimated net worth of Pope Francis is $2.5 million. Isn't Pope Francis supposed to be a servant of the Church? Why is a servant of the Church a millionaire?

[@papi8659]

Fascinating

[@Eye_of_a_Texan]

Archbishop Vigano started pealing back this curtain years ago, and is being chased around the world because he knows too much and is honest to a fault.

[@leonaarnaud4229]

The most powerful and dangerous cartel in the world!

[@Actanonverba01]

Yet Another Reason, I'm happy I am athiest.

[@_Dovar_]

Financial corruption is the last problem they have...

[@herzkine]

Vatikan has to come clean sonehow with whatever financial sin is holding them down for over 50 years now.

[@steelman86]

When i was in the dome of St. Peters, one could walk around from one side to the other. On one side was the public toward the river. I noticed people walking around in rags, pushing home made carts by hand, buildings with tile roofs collapsing and in need of repair, beggars on the streets. On the Vatican City side, there were lush manicured gardens with fountains and water falls, palm trees by the scores, blooming flowers everywhere, paved streets, people walking around in flowing white and red robes, a Cadillac Limousine driving toward the building and I thought to myself, how is this fair that on one side of this magnificent building there is such wealth and beauty and on the other side people are living in squalor and poverty, yet they give what little they have to help support the church!! It just didn't seem fair to me!!! This was back in the late 60's, has anything changed? Maybe this is how Donald tRUMP learned how to screw over AMERICAN BANKS and the IRS and the American tax paying public? Sounds very familiar from what is now coming to light in dozens of law suits and investigations against tRUMP.,!!!

[@cr1ticl_th1nk3r8]

John Chapter 14 Verse 6: I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man cometh unto the father(God) but by me" No popes, no priests, no cardinals. Anyone can speak to Jesus. Jesus lives in ALL OF OUR HEARTS.

[@fettywap1738]

Ahhhh London. This is the most London thing ever 🤣

[@willleahy6958]

That money was only resting in my account- Rev Fr Ted Crilly PP

[@nofool9621]

What do you expect from a church that sold salvation and hid the word(Bible) from the common people.

[@GaryHField]

If the Protestant Reformation didn't happen, than the Holy Scriptures would still be at the hands of clerics and nuns. Common people would still have no access to it.

[@greenstarpharmacy964]

Mark 8:36 36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

[@thornil2231]

“Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool.”

[@bobdowney6974]

Quote source ?

[@thornil2231]

@@bobdowney6974 2 Voltaire or mark Twain... so it would be Voltaire (you know the guy who was Benjamin Franklin's sponsor in the masonic lodge)

[@johnday6392]

Didn't someone called Luther have something to say about people like these a few years ago?

[@shawnporter5109]

True and he was correct. Mind you, Martin Luther had several knocks against him too.

[@johnnyyen3007]

Of course they could, and should. The catholic church is a business, as are other relgions. If they accept donations from believers in cash or credit card each and every church should give the donor a receipt for the amount and declare this income to the tax offices. As it stands they operate totally under the radar like mafias!

[@kuyachamp7618]

That's not how it works, the income the church receives is purely indulgences or in basic words charity. The church doesn't have a fixed income because it's NOT a business. It's like requesting a charity organization to declare their fixed income when there's no need for them to declare one at all because they're not a business. But if you were to sum the property value of the Church then you might get a glimpse of how extremely wealthy the Church is. No one has calculated the property value yet, you might be the first.

[@m-hayek1985]

Churches are non profit

[@PuffOfSmoke]

This will drag on and on and the people suspected of committing the said crime is still in office. No wonder the independent auditor was forced to resign. Just like all the molestation scandals that rock their church, this will also be swept under the rug in a few years. And no accountability will happen in the end.

[@mbizozo6271]

This just proves how accurate The Young Pope was.

[@Yotrek]

The names of asset ownership needs to be transparent. The public should know the investors in a building or movie they are watching.

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[@josepabellana]

The fact that the investments in the Athena fund and the London property were advised by Credit Suisse, now in 2024 makes a lot of sense.

[@alexbaxter3730]

Sell some of the paintings you have and its solved. The Vatican isn't exactly made of peanuts.

[@charlesmartel7626]

No

[@fuckbankers]

Many believe that during World War II priests and Vatican insiders knew about Nazi concentration camps that housed and killed Jews, but they remained silent and worked with and helped Nazis and their sympathizers to bank and hide millions of dollars, valuable art, and antiques. Scholars and lawyers have long felt that during World War II, the Vatican Bank profiteered from money laundering; selling stolen Nazi loot; and buying and selling Jewish refugees’ insurance policies after they were killed in death camps. In order to benefit the church, its leaders use suppressive measures to bypass, ignore, or tolerate Nazi crimes.

[@okcepeninatule-iz8os]

Amen Papa prega per noi

[@ashishpatel350]

too busy playing with kids. cost alot of money to run a human trafficking operation. even if you dont pay any taxes.

[@helenafactome]

In the year 2000, Church pardoned the debt of all catholic institutions around the world. We cannot imagine how much was it, as most do social work and most countries have huge numbers of poor people who need support on daily basis... many friers live in total poverty, though the buildings are magnificent, that's what I know that happens in my country. Some people give them support, but they hand it all to the poor - there's no way to take them out of that choice of living in poverty.

[@jacktaylor5937]

The answer is: no they can't. It's theire neverending sin! They have always been in troubles with money handling. Donating money to the clergy is not the same thing as donating directly to the poors.

[@tradergirljam]

Religion is a business...I don't understand some of the comments here.

[@paulocraice]

Totally! I’m a Jew and and I always beg to separate Israel and the Jewish faith. Sad, it’s a place to political interests, nothing to do with a place for us.

[@Austin8thGenTexan]

Too many hands and fingers dipping into a really large pie... 🥧🥧🥧

[@Dinolobe376]

Thats a joke, the church has never been accountable for anything

[@vincentperratore4395]

Those demons in human form will continue to have money as long as idiots continue to give them money! To all, I say this, DON'T GIVE THEM A PENNY, EVER AGAIN!

[@jesusiscomingsoon879]

Why does all catholic assets need to be turned over by sept 30th??

[@leanderbarreto6523]

Isn't leichtenstein also an absolute monarchy

[@oliversissonphone6143]

Debatable. Wikipedia says it's a semi-constitutional monarchy and "Liechtenstein has moved towards expanding the power of the monarch: the Prince of Liechtenstein was given expanded powers after a referendum amending the Constitution of Liechtenstein in 2003, which led the BBC to describe the prince as an "absolute monarch again"." So I guess it's open to interpretation.

[@AdmiralBonetoPick]

Clicking the "Translate this comment into English" option translates your comment to: "So isn't light stone an absolute monarchy" 😁

[@americameinyourmouth9964]

The Prince has the power to dissolve parliament and call for and veto referendums. Effectively the Prince can use the voters to pass laws he likes. I thought the same thing but as the other commenter said its a “semi-constitutional monarchy”.

[@zoraidacolonia2096]

Thank you Pope for helping us, i thank the Lord Jesus the Christ for He is the forgiveness of sin.

[@pawelkaszkowiak]

how about a church reform to stop enabling predatory behavior on little children first? then I'll believe it can reform it's finances too

[@AdmiralBonetoPick]

The Catholic Church should really allow its priests to marry. Until it does, it is always going to disproportionately attract the wrong sort.

[@avantelvsitania3359]

The Church *has* carried a lot of reforms on that issue. It’s taken very seriously. Pope Francis has been very important in cleaning the image of the Church.

[@maximuscalistopontifice1042]

​@@AdmiralBonetoPick If you do that you will have married man being predators. The problem with sexual abuses is no bigger than the simplicity of man not following what they should/do preach.

[@terminusadquem6981]

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[@ritawing1064]

@@avantelvsitania3359 it's not the image that needs cleaning, it's the reality.

[@michaelwolf7886]

Very good documentary.

[@ikm64]

Can the Catholic Church reform its finances? Wrong question...rather than worrying about its financial bankruptcy. How about working on its moral bankruptcy...at least then it would have a purpose.

[@AJ-ox8xy]

Exactly, they have financial issues because the moral rot they have allowed into their walls and hearts. We must first replace those people with good hearts and minds or those people with moral rot will need to purge themselves and change. Although at this point trying to rebuild trust is going to be a lifetime mission.

[@veronicadave1450]

The Vatican is such an intriguing place. Full of mystery and Wonder.