Finding 2 Stroke Motorcycles at Loomies Moto Cafe

[@ScratchyBaws]

Rode a DT50 (brand new) an RD125 and an RD250 back in the 80's. I actually preferred the kitted race tuned RD125 to the bigger 250 and the 125 was a stunning looking bike to look at back then.

[@wulbo399]

Great video there...Up here in the North East of Scotland we have regular meets, weather permitting, which was not this year !! We meet down the beach front and there are many a classic to be seen. It always amazes me what people have tucked away in their wee sheds...2 strokes are well and truly alive in and around Aberdeen...cheers..take care oot there...w

[@mototoki]

Great to hear! It is crazy what you find at these meets, I find stuff I've long forgotten about!!! Hope you guys are hanging in there with the storm 😬 Take care!

[@wulbo399]

@@mototoki yeah its all good here...a bit of bad flooding 40 miles down the road or so....and they've now just gritted the roads ...season over !!...take care pal...w

[@moto-hornet-750]

11:06 that's my ride and thanks again for spotting its a over flow on the filter as I just been the garage fuel next door just came across your channel Legend

[@mototoki]

Ahhh glad is wasn’t anything more serious! I did stop filming and leg it into the restaurant and holla it out. I was quite concerned! 😅

[@moto-hornet-750]

Legend

[@RedlineRossi]

Great Video!! Always had a soft spot for the NS400. Sounds epic at full chat.

[@mototoki]

It very was hidden behind the RG500 and RD500 back in the day, but a great bike!

[@brodwina]

Love your videos .. love two strokes

[@mototoki]

@@brodwina thank you!

[@brodwina]

@ didn’t realise how close you was! I’m just down the road! Does the TZR often play up ??

[@mototoki]

@@brodwina So many 2T southerners, awesome! It's good now, but that took 4 years of restoration and rebuild to get there!

[@brodwina]

@@mototoki I’d love to come to a meet and see the bikes! I’ve always wanted a tzr or similar! Never actually sat on one either

[@mototoki]

We did a Loomies meet with 5 TZR 3XVs in 2022! There’s normally one or two there, more at Box Hill in Surrey on sunny Sundays!

[@tessbushell5489]

Some nice old 2 strokes 👌🏻

[@paulbudford]

Takes me back. I loved my F2. Then had a TZR 250 2MA for years. I've spent far too much time a Loomies over the years. Though have not been for a couple of years.

[@morini500dave]

Took my 1971 Testi Champione there once,had an inquisitive crowd around it,reg'd as a 49cc but with a Polini 75cc big bore kit which propels it to just over 70mph! my only 2 stroke of the eleven bikes I own.I keep the Testi in my living room at the moment,there's a couple of vids of it on my youtube channel.

[@SteveTheBikingGrandad]

Nice video. I'm not too far from Loomies, but still haven't made it there yet! Not sure I'd risk going on my two stroke though - I'd have to go on my 650 , I think it would be too stressful riding from Salisbury to Loomies on my little 1984 Suzuki GP100 🤣

[@mototoki]

A36 and a GP100, what could possibly go wrong?! I kinda agree with you, jump on the 650 😃

[@SteveTheBikingGrandad]

@mototoki I'd have done it back in the 80s on my first GP100, when I was a teenager and at least three stone lighter. Nowadays I can only just about hit 55mph on the flat on the poor little thing, and that speed drops VERY quickly if there's even a slight incline. 🤣🤣 Still makes me grin every time I ride it though.... 😁

[@mototoki]

@@SteveTheBikingGrandad 55mph on some of those hills on the A36 would be pretty scary these days 😬

[@buxvan]

If my mates TS100 Old M Reg managed to get from Sutton Surrey along with my BSA B40 350 back in 1981 to Cornwall & back, with camping 🏕️ gear (900 odd miles) I’m sure your GP100 will make it to Loomies. Cheers 🍻

[@SteveTheBikingGrandad]

@@buxvan Ha yes, I'm sure it would make it. I mean, people ride around the world on Vespas and Honda Cubs - I'm just too old for that kind of stress now 😂😂

[@stevefry25]

That's my FZ600 at Loomies.....sweet. 😊

[@mototoki]

Really nice bike in original condition, loved it!

[@Banditmanuk]

Brings back memories of riding my RD250LC back in 81. Wasn't that impressed by Loomies last time we called after doing the Santander ferry. So many 70s and 80s two strokes on show at last weekend's Stafford Classic.

[@mototoki]

Mate of mine went to Stafford, he sent me a video of TZ 750 blowing eardrums out 😅 I’ll put that one this list for next year, and Sammys in the New Forest

[@poc329]

One reason I never go to Loomies. Too small. Too packed 😢 50mph variable camera's all round it now. Can't be arsed. Do my own thing.

[@TheGreatestBeyonder]

I still go on the odd occasion, but what really sucks is their disgusting undercooked bacon 🥓 rolls or vile burger’s! 🤢

[@richardlejour2748]

And the foods rubbish

[@jamie-ol8dm]

And too many riders driving like absolute twats.

[@brittenv1000]

I'm with you . I don't live far but don't go near 272 anymore

[@kevinpollard1550]

Beautiful bikes .i had a 250 gamma i kh 250 .rd 350 torque induction and my fav 350 lc with stan stephens stage 2 tune it was a rocket ship

[@ChrisPatrick-q6k]

The speed cameras have made things much better.

[@buxvan]

I usually go to white-ways (Bury hill) loomies now & again, but it’s a bit small. May take my TS185ER there when I finally get the carb sorted.

[@mototoki]

That's a good route, yep. I haven't seen a TS185 for ages!

[@kevintaylor31]

Nice Rocket 3s there too.

[@mototoki]

Monsters!

[@daveyt4802]

MN USA here. Interesting to see the differences from here.

[@mototoki]

I know a few guys stateside who’ve imported TZR’s and of course the RZ is well known. Any featured here that never made the EPA?

[@woooster17]

It has been years since I last visited Loomies cafe.. Looks like a nice collection of lovely bikes.. Loved the KR-1S.. I had the pre S, KR-1 back in the early 90s.. followed by the purchase of a new RGV250P in 1993. Loved them both, but the KR-1 was the more psycho bike 😄 The RGV was better built though, far more refined. Would love to go to Loomies again, but it’s bit of a trot out for me these days.. I have various 1990s bikes that I’d love to take there! Safe rides mate 👍🏼

[@mototoki]

Yes, RGV is very refined, and well built and reliable too! Safe rides!

[@philtucker1224]

Wait till June when it’s warmer and go in your car. -I’m sure you’ll be glad you did! 🙏🏍️🇬🇧

[@yellowseven48]

Haven't been to loomies for years I'm sort of in between there and boxhill/newlands corner no cameras only 1 camera on the a29 but you have to keep an eye out for mobile ones

[@mototoki]

I'm going back to Box Hill next year, and it would be remiss of me to not also make a trip to Newlands. I can also go to Ace Cafe, now my RD has passed the ULEZ test!

[@yellowseven48]

@@mototoki the vintage Japanese motorcycle club have their annual (I think) meeting at boxhill it was in August some nice bikes a few two strokes there

[@mototoki]

@@yellowseven48 My mate Ron went to that this year (he's in the ULEZ video with his stunning '91 TZR 250 3XV). I'll certainly be there next year. I may have my TZR fixed by then too with some luck!

[@dwhxyz]

That's my mates NS400R. I was busy looking super cool on the 996. You might see my old RG500 race bike down there in the next month or two.

[@mototoki]

That'll be a treat. I owned an RG500 and it must be the best 2T that ever hit the dealerships. Really awesome bikes! Lucky fella!

[@dwhxyz]

@@mototoki To be honest a standard RG500 is not really all that - they are quite under powered (but quite straight forward to sort that out) along with questionable wheel/tire sizes and some very 80's suspension. If you look at the photo of mine (Brands pit lane) on my channel banner you'll see its quite different from the standard bike. I think there are still a few public videos of it being raced on my channel from many years ago when I was shockingly bad/slow on track (I'm much better now!lol). For many reasons its not turned a wheel since 2015. Will hopefully be back on the road within a month or two for some testing and then will use it on track again.

[@mototoki]

@@dwhxyz I guess it's like the RD. The older I get, the better they were! And of course in the 90's there wasn't the modern handling, brakes, suspension and tyres we have now!

[@dwhxyz]

​@@mototoki Absolutely - brakes, suspension and tires were of their time! I do think the RG500 does have this reputation as a super fast/powerful two stroke when the reality is a totally standard one has ~75bhp (press bikes at the time were tuned to ~100bhp). RD500s are even worse with ~65bhp and weigh a metric ton!

[@flatcapcaferacer]

I'm curious is it usual for riders like the guy on the NSR 400 to ride in full leathers and knee sliders? I grew up on two strokes starting 1969 and was disappointed when they all but disappeared on the streets of the U.S.

[@mototoki]

Interesting observation. Back in the 80s I was riding on the road with boots, jeans and a black leather jacket despite having full leathers for my racing. Now I ride like the NS400R guy in full leathers on similar bikes! I don’t think it’s usual here. Most are still jeans and jackets! I know a few guys in the US who have imported and restored 2 strokes. They are not dead yet 👍

[@mototoki]

Yes! Geared up for action - TZR 250 3XV #2strokeengine #motorcycle #cleanair

[@mototoki]

For some reason KZbin web doesn't show the link for the video reply! kzbin.infoesvrl_uH3Yw

[@evilelf5967]

stinkwheels i have owned,casal 50cc,puch grand prix 50cc,suzuki ap50,yb100,gt185,rd 125,200,250 and a barcol tuned 400 (all air cooled),ar125..then onto kawas z series,nothin beats a 2 stroke,mad bad and simple to work on,man i miss those days.nowadays i ride a zzr12 and 14.

[@philtucker1224]

Is that The Waltham Chase Southampton way? (I’ve also got one near Maidenhead on my GPS)..

[@mototoki]

Yes, on the way to the A32!

[@ledzeproberts2111]

I miss my puch grand prix special, black jps colours

[@richardnorman1520]

Esso Super now has Ethanol in it. Since September 1st 2023.

[@mototoki]

I found that out after putting the video up and it's a shame, so I guess the rule is drain the carbs every winter - or you can get storage fuel from companies like Ango-American oil. R-SUR is also an alternative.

[@jamieholmes3182]

Loomies is fine , probably could do with a better quality sausage! As far as the surrounding roads it was only a matter of time before the locals got the hump of bikes flat out on open pipes every sunny day ! Not that I would do such a thing 😳

[@mototoki]

Keeping the speed & noise down in the residential bits is the hard part, I would imagine(!)

[@yellowseven48]

I had a blue 1987 tzr250 raced it with bemsee and the krc and used it on the road to in hindsight I should have kept it but you don't think of these things at the time and btw Esso is no longer ethanol free they have stated it's now a minimum of 5% ethanol

[@1geckobros63]

lol rd350 my first bike ❤❤❤ in yellow black just got 60 last month

[@mototoki]

Kenny Roberts 👍

[@CJRSBK]

For me best handling 250 2 stroke road production bike is the Aprilia Rs250 mk2 😊

[@mototoki]

Actually I said I would argue for the TZR but I haven't ridden an RS250, so you could be right!!

[@andrewewington8938]

How I miss my Marlboro RD 500LC and all the rest of my LC should never had sold them !!

[@mototoki]

Everyone I've met regrets selling 2Ts! Me included!

[@philtucker1224]

Do you still have to mix 16:1 ratio oil to petrol on these (fairly modern) two strokes?

[@mototoki]

That’s tricky to answer. On the TZR it alters the amount of oil dependent on rpm and throttle opening. It’s quite a cool system and avoids the high rpm / throttle close nip ups that are not uncommon at the end of the straight! I’m not sure what the ratio range it, I just keep the oil tank topped up!!!

[@mellowr1]

Nice F2. I have one too👍😎 Esso used to be the only fuel with no ethanol. Unfortunately from September it now contains ethanol I'm the synergy too. I was going to goto this but was busy but my mates went 👍

[@mototoki]

Anglo American Oil do a fuel called R-SUR (and also a storage fuel). Neither have ethanol and while it's too pricey to use day to day it may be an option and will be a good overwinter fuel if you don't drain the carbs. You can get it from Winchester Garden Machinery(!)

[@mellowr1]

@@mototoki I normally run Aspen 4 in all my bikes for storage over winter👍It's an Alkalyte fuel that also does not go off👍😎

[@mellowr1]

@@mototoki Ha Marv & Tim were who I was supposed to go with😃 Hope they mentioned about Intas 2 stroke night? get quite a few on a good evening. Come along next season👍😎

[@mototoki]

They didn't mention it, we really need to get them on the TZR WhatsApp and open that group up to more 2T's!

[@douglasalexander4348]

Best place is Herne Bay seafront on a Sunday. No cafe, plenty in the town 2 mins away, just loads of bikers having a chat. It was 2 for 1 takeaway coffee just opposite for bikers when I was there in the summer.

[@philtucker1224]

Yes also one of my favourite places, lots of Indians and Victory’s meet there too..

[@ChrisPatrick-q6k]

They're installing noise cameras

[@philtucker1224]

@@ChrisPatrick-q6k yes some inconsiderate bikers just want to ruin it for all of the others and often succeed. I read in MCN this week that they are now planning to ban the sale of straight through exhausts in the U.K.

[@ChrisPatrick-q6k]

@@philtucker1224They make too much noise.%95 of bikers are great, it's the 5% that ruin it for everyone else.

[@NunChukka]

Great vid, learning a bit about motorcycles. Still prefer my road bike though (not a peloton 😂)

[@mototoki]

I thought that comment might get me in trouble 😅 not the weather for two wheels of any power type now though, even in the sunny south!

[@MeYou-yz2yz]

Mmmm powervalve.❤

[@Ok28347]

I was there on that day with my 2000 Aprilia rs 50 haha got there later than you where there !

[@mototoki]

Rats! I do love the style of the Aprilias - and they did hang onto the 2T dream after the Japanese dropped it. Hope to see the bike another time!

[@Saxondog]

Never understood why Kawasaki didn't bring the KR1 350 over here. It would have sorted the other manufacturers attempts at producing the fastest Sub 500 two stroke.😅 I owned an S1C and S3 back in those happy days.

[@jamiedouglas125]

Great meeting place (apart from the new average speed cameras and noise cameras) but possibly the worst coffee of anywhere on the south coast 😂😂...Loomies is my local bike cafe but honestly, Ria's in Waltham Chase is far better as a cafe, cheaper and has a much bigger car park and all bikes are always welcome.

[@mototoki]

Agreed on the coffee! I'll take a trip to Ria's next year, thanks for the recommendation!

[@derekpang3578]

Wow these bikes were super light weight, not like the light weight bikes we have now. The Yamaha mt-07 as one of the most lightest bikes at 181kg fully feuled up.

[@mototoki]

This! Totally! Four stroke bikes are much heavier. My son's Bandit 600 weighs an absolute ton next to my 2Ts. Also, from about 2007, catalytic converters were starting to be required on bikes in the UK adding another 5-10kg. Riding a really lightweight bike is an experience that's not to be missed!

[@douglasalexander4348]

2 strokes also have crap tyres, crap suspension, crap handling crap brakes and drink fuel like no tomorrow. So how does that compare with your mt07, that will do 100mph all day without blinking.

[@davidchiarletti4648]

The powerband was savage with MICRONS on the rd350lc specially when tuned it was more brutal than the YPVS model ,but not as sporty looking great bikes !GATE13SW6CREW cfc

[@mototoki]

For sure! The LC was the beast for two stroke power bands! The YPVS tamed it 👍

[@theodavies8754]

I traded my RD500lc for an FZR1000 genesis in 1988. It's great to see them but I'm never going back.

[@davidchiarletti4648]

So glad I found this I LOVED my Honda mbx 125 LC 1984 PUT MICRON ON IT DONE THE REEDS JET HAD IT STAGE 2 TUNE ED BY STANS STEPHENS THEY WER ONE OF THE BEST IN THE DAYS DOWN IN SEVENOAKS HAD 95 MPH OUT OF IT LOVED IT THEN I WENT TO THE DADDY THE BADDEST BIKE OF THE 80S EARLY 90S THE RD350LC DONE EVERYTHING TO IT LIME THE HONDA WHAT A WEOPAN THEY WER GETTING STLOEN IN STH LONDON LIKE NO BUSINESS FRIDAY NIGHT'S AT CHELSEA BRIDGE POPPING WHEELIES THEN BOX HILL ON A SUNDAY AFTERNOON GREATVID !GATE13SW6CREW CFC

[@andrewoakley4957]

As mellowr1 said esso have announced to porsche club esso fuel card holders that it will no longer be ethanol free. I thought it's from November but guaranteed none for next year 😢😢. Oooo nsr400 😮😊

[@mototoki]

I guess we'll have to wait for Porches new synthetic fuel? Up til then there's options for £4/5 per ltr specialist fuels. Or..... AVGAS (not that I told you that)!! NSR400R, I agree!!

[@andrewoakley4957]

@@mototoki Ha ha, I hadn't thought of that! I'll just have to make friends with someone at RNAS Yeovilton 🤫🤭. One day I'll get the KH250 restored...

[@matwom]

Hi mate , so is this supreme plus E5 ethanol free then ?? Iv been using v-power in my 2 stroke bikes , is this stuff better then ??

[@mototoki]

Esso (apart from a couple of areas) is ethanol free according to their website. I believe V-Power is too, but as it's not advertised by Shell as such, it may be a bit random. Actually I just checked Esso and they have taken down the statement, so I guess V-power is the only gamble? Here's what it did say - "The majority of unleaded 95 Octane petrol sold in the UK contains up to 5% ethanol as required under the Government’s Renewable Transport Fuels Obligation (RTFO). There is currently no requirement for renewable fuel (such as ethanol) to be present in super unleaded (97 and 99 grade petrol). Esso super unleaded petrol (Synergy Supreme+ Unleaded 97 and Synergy Supreme+ 99 ) is ethanol free (except in Devon, Cornwall, the Teesside area and Scotland). We would therefore advise anyone who has concerns about the presence of ethanol in petrol to use Synergy Supreme+ - providing they do not fill up in Devon or Cornwall, the Teesside area or Scotland."

[@matwom]

@@mototoki Hi guys , after spending all weekend researching and even talking to staff at the garage I’m convinced that the Esso Synergy Supreme+ Unleaded 97 and Synergy Supreme+ 99 are definitely not ethanol free in uk and you cannot get ethanol free anywhere in the uk out the pump at any petrol stations at this point in time !!

[@mototoki]

@@matwom I’m convinced you’re right. This is “progressive” like Apple nerfing batteries on older devices 😖

[@kevinpollard1550]

❤

[@dd-yg3cx]

hi. I have an rd the same as yours and the right hand crank seal is leaking . gear box oil is being burnt. do you no anyone who can fix it and what it would cost. I'm in the midlands. thanks

[@mototoki]

First I wouldn't run it, because gearbox oil is the least issue here, it can also suck in air which can make the bike run real lean & seize :( The work is quite a lot, probably north of £500, many guys do this themselves and involves splitting the cases. If you don't fancy that jump on rdlccrazy or pure2strokespirit.net/forums/index.php or 2T biker forum and they might know of somewhere near you. I'd recommend 2T Engineering in Oxfordshire, but that's a bit too far. Good luck with the bike, they are worth keeping alive!

[@dd-yg3cx]

thanks ill give them a ring. its done 28k maybe a full re build .

[@derekpang3578]

No wonder the royal Enfield are selling like hot cakes. All the roads in the UK which were national have been reduced to 50mph and with speed limits like 20mph in some places you can't use the power. So I suppose that bikes with 40bhp makes more sense. Oh well might as well get a 125

[@512460]

Loool damn and I just bought a liter bike.

[@jsmith8219]

Bishy Bike! 🎉

[@yodaedwards5225]

Hope you didn't get nicked by the average speed cameras - you looked to be just over the limit

[@mototoki]

Loads of average speed cameras around Loomies. I should be ok. There's always a margin in the old speedometers. New digital ones actually add on 5%, there's a whole confusing section in my Ducati manual about that. There's also rumours of having "noise" cameras on the A272, not sure how that's going.

[@volt8684]

@@mototokithey are on trial in uk but no one knows where

[@volt8684]

Remember me and my mates racing our 250s mine a t250 hustler, others gt250, rd 250 and one mate on a ducati 4 stroke single. Would out handle our bikes but not as quick acceleration but faster top speed

[@mototoki]

@@volt8684 Hopefully they'll get added to Google maps!

[@yodaedwards5225]

​@@mototokiI hope you're right. Once you know where they are, all you've got to do is pull over and wait a while before you pass the second one. It's worked for me so far

[@davemonday5381]

Strimmer s.

[@davidchiarletti4648]

Love ya bike just seeing it makes me 😊😊!GATE13SW6CREW c.f.c