Finding an ABANDONED 67 Fairlane in a Local JUNKYARD! Why was this JUNKED?

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[@deimosphob]

2j fairlane

[@mattfarahsmillionmilelexus]

Pfft. Barra.

[@MrGixxer1300r]

@@mattfarahsmillionmilelexus that would be a good swap. The way the car is stripped it would make a great race car add a grill and tail lights. and start building

[@CoyoteFTW]

Why is this pinned

[@todddenio3200]

@@MrGixxer1300r it’d make a great street stomper too.

[@lancehigdon8683]

Won't you get the car and take it home and fix it up

[@aguyinnc2865]

The '66-'67 Fairlane was one of the best looking cars Ford ever made. Several of my friends had these when I was in high school. One was a factory XL four speed red with Cragar rims. Oh, for the good 'ol days!

[@salex5442]

Had a 67 500 XL Convertible with floor shift C4 automatic and Moss Green paint and Olive interior. Black fabric top on it with hydraulic folding into a well behind the back seat. Got my drivers license on that car back in 76. Hallicrafters HE-20-C CB radio (you needed crystals from Radio Shack to set the actual channels so the channel selector was in letters not numbers) and American flag waving on the 9 foot whip antenna. I still miss that car. 289 V8. You could also order them in a 302 back then. Sold new in 67 for 3,800 dollars. Less than 3,000 XL convertibles were made in 67. The 500 GT model was even rarer. The GT had a round ornament in the grille. The only visible difference between the 66 and 67 were different tail lights. 66 were sunken lenses like the Galaxies had and the 67 tail lights were outward lenses. So you look at the rear to tell which one you are looking at.

[@todddenio3200]

My uncle had one brand new with a 427 and a top loader

[@todddenio3200]

My uncle had one he bought brand new that had a 427 and a top loader 4 speed in it. It was a screw up on the assembly line or in shipping as he had ordered it with a 390 and had paid for it up front and didn’t even know it wasn’t a 390 until he stopped at my other uncles house to show it to him and popped the hood and it didn’t look right so my other uncle started looking at the paperwork and saw 427 on it. It was a nice bonus over what he had ordered. Unfortunately his brother-in-law borrowed it and totaled it out when it got away from him and rolled it

[@craig322]

My friend in high school (early 80's) had a Gold '67 Fairlane complete with factory bone stock 289 2 barrel. The car looked real good but was kind of a dog power wise.

[@robertclark9]

Aren’t they? My neighbor had a brand new 67 GT with an FE390 4spd. Blue with white guts, console, dash tach, rally wheels, and the stripe along the bottom. At 12yrs old I used to bug the kid for rides every day. It went like a scalded dog!

[@MrGixxer1300r]

That Fairlane is worth buying. It looks pretty rust free, it would be worth fixing

[@garykuhn1921]

I think he said in CA once they're scrapped they cant be road legal again.

[@chriscatarcio2983]

Bullshit.

[@emmittmatthews8636]

@@garykuhn1921 Friggen democrats...

[@sweaspurdoddd5466]

@@garykuhn1921 still should've snatched it. They don't deserve to die in a junkyard. Turn it into a race project or something.

[@ricardofierro7041]

@@emmittmatthews8636 WHAT do Democrats have to do with a car in a salvage yard ??? Please explain.

[@MrGreyZ]

That car is in such restorable condition - it hurts to see it there

[@frederickhairston3823]

Yes me as well

[@arthurlangford5861]

If I could find one this good, I'd take care of the body work, get a 347 crate motor, Tremec 5spd., Ford 8.8 or 9" rear axel and turn this into a vintage stock car replica for the street! I've always wanted to do that.

[@albertgaspar627]

the low deck Windsor is nice, but this year has room for a tall deck--that means 377 to 427 cid displacement without the weight of the FE--even header clearance against the shock towers. wish this was a "no kill" junkyard, even with the bondo in the fender and rust in the roof pillars it would be worth tooling around in

[@maxnichols1727]

Your salvage yard videos are always the greatest. After watching it I felt like washing dust off. 👍👍👍👍👍

[@craigbowley6783]

I'm a Mopar guy but all I know is those dodge Daytonas are actually starting to become quite collectable and they had a whopping 146hp 😁👍

[@jdedmnds1]

I would love to find one in this shape. Living in the rust belt, most of them are mostly rust by now. If they haven't been made into refrigerators or tool boxes.

[@jdedmnds1]

Whoever put this into a junkyard needs beat.

[@davidrose2382]

Youd take the whole car surely mate,send it to australia, we'd give you good money

[@bennetfox]

I went to the Pick-n-Pull with some friends a couple weeks ago to get some parts and I came across a 1974 Ford F200 extended cab truck as well as a 1963 Ford F200 with a homemade tow bed built on the back! They were both in good shape and I couldn't believe they were in the junkyard!

[@rockinrobinrockinrobin5613]

That car would be going home with me. It's well worth restoring. That foot gas pedal was same as the one I had on my 64 Galaxie 500 I had year's ago.

[@rayeplin3733]

Darn shame a classic like that gets scraped

[@jcc777]

Had a 66 Cyclone GT with a 390, ran like a diesel train. Went from 70-90 as easily as 20-50.

[@afraid2crashrc]

A diesel train?

[@jcc777]

@@afraid2crashrc yes, tons of torque. And it smoked till I did a valve job lol

[@philhunt3908]

It would be fun to see that car come to life again and the Daytona does come just as you see it the Fairlane now that's just sad to see left for junk

[@jamessmith4656]

Very nice I am 62 years old I had a cherry 67 when I was 17 they are nice rides 😀

[@raym3036]

"Rat Rod Bob's builds" needs that car!

[@Ellenslife851]

Nobody just abandoned a fair lane inside A salvage Yard without a reason either it was in a fender bender and get some major beyond repair damage or the engine blew up or it was a marriage dispute. Perhaps they were getting a divorce and that was the only thing of true value that he had and she took it thinking she could sell it for a lot of money and ended up getting whatever she could at the salvage yard and he’s probably watching this right now bawling his eyes out knowing his prize Possession is being parted out And there’s nothing he can do because he couldn’t afford to buy the car back living in an apartment with a dead end job eating TV dinners probably

[@broncomcbane6382]

Owner died. Family gave the car away to a charity or "we haul junk cars" tow service

[@Ellenslife851]

@@broncomcbane6382 Make sense that’s most likely probably what happened because they had no clue on what to do with the car and just wanted to get rid of it because nobody in the family wanted it. Which is kind of a shame because if that was my dad’s or my grandfathers car or my mom’s old car I would probably want to hang onto it specially if it was my grandmothers old car as well

[@broncomcbane6382]

@@Ellenslife851 it happens every day, man. The old man dies, no one wants the car, they call a service, two weeks later its in the junkyard. I see it all the time. Last time it was a beautiful dark red 1980 Cadillac Sedan DeVille, complete. The whole car in great shape sitting on the junkyard.

[@Ellenslife851]

@@broncomcbane6382 that just saddens me

[@Ellenslife851]

@@broncomcbane6382 🙁😮😦🙁😲😞😔☹️😟😣🥺😭😢

[@OtisENGINEuity]

What a waste.. my favorite year, love the stacked headlights and the semi-fastback look.. same with the 65/6 Galaxie. That was probably someone's pride and joy and they died and the family wanted nothing to do with it and sent it off to be crushed instead of putting in the effort to sell it to someone that'd love it... sadly it happens all the time. Those rims were like $1800 back when I was in high school.. Billet Specialties you saw them in all the Street Rodder/Hot Rod Magazine etc in about 2000-2004. My 69 Ranchero GT that was my first car had air shocks on it.. they didn't really help when I brought the Cleveland, FMX, and a welder home from Yuba City.. that front end was floating so bad we couldn't do more than 45 down the highway and that was still scary. You talking about little British cars.. there's a 64 Austin FX4 (little black cab) for sale in Davis for $750.. I want it so bad.. that thing would be SICK with a 302/5 spd and good suspension.. but they were FWD stock.. V6 swap could be a thing too, I know how fast those can go.. (150 in a 99 Olds :D)

[@todddenio3200]

Up here in the rust belt of Minnesota a lot of car guys would not only pay big bucks for that Fairlane, but to give a bit more incentive for the deal to be made, some of them would throw in their first born and their wife for a couple of weeks because up here that car would have been rusted away half way up the side but would still run perfectly. Engines here can last 250K to 300K if maintained…. Even cars from the 50’s and 60’s.

[@BigWheel.]

That tracker looks exactly like the one my grandmother had when I was like 4. What a blast from the past.

[@cogboy302]

You never know what will turn up in a junkyard (scrapyard/breakers in the UK). A father & son in Northern Ireland found an ex-works Metro 6R4 Group B rally car in a breakers years ago. Fortunately it's been fully restored and is now worth about £250,000.

[@soldierboyggy6122]

This is pretty cool to see. I just pulled that motor like a week ago.

[@christopherreynolds8873]

I love the junkyard trip videos.

[@jiggsh54]

I had ‘67 while a teenager. I broke the shift collar 3 times racing. Had to chain the motor to the frame, broken motor mounts. Had a hell of amount of torque.

[@chrissytaylor5690]

That's a shame! That car is pretty solid and would be worth buying for the right price. You can't find any 60's Fords out here on the East Coast that aren't complete rust buckets! 🤦‍♀️ I swear some of the stuff people just throw away completely blows my mind!

[@killshot2333]

I got one four door 67 Ford Fairlane 500 great car

[@chrissytaylor5690]

@@killshot2333 they are definitely neat!!! Always loved at that stacked headlight design! My friend had a 68 AMC Ambassador SST that looked strikingly similar to the Fairlane in the front end. People used to pull up beside us all the time asking us if it was a Ford Fairlane! 😆

[@killshot2333]

@@chrissytaylor5690 yes I've seen them they are similar I bet they was alot of thumbs up

[@gr8fulpn]

My cousin had a Austin-American back in the late ‘70’s, such a cool little car. Had enough leg room that you could fit in it without a problem. Factory interior in that Daytona, friend had one, in those early ‘80’s that little car was a ripper compared to other cars.

[@whitelisst4941]

Love the junkyard videos

[@littlecabinknives8954]

You have alot of really cool cars. I am really wanting to see this new 1 that you have worked on for 2 years.

[@jamesmcknight6440]

That car is worth buying the whole car, don't let it get junked

[@ekd1985]

That’s not possible, hopefully they let it sit around so as many parts can be taken of as possible.

[@1978ranger]

Hurts, my dream car sitting there

[@tompaciga7386]

Always enjoy the salvage yard videos

[@tompaciga7386]

This is it

[@ProjectRescues]

Its in really nice shape. I'd save the quarters off it too as well as the fenders and doors.

[@tobiasbostwick9002]

Wow! I had a '66 XL 500 2dr HT, 390 car. Manual steering and brakes, FMX auto. In our local junkyard, Bigfoot Auto Salvage because the owner was 6'9" and sported a size 21 foot so naturally, was barefooted always. Anyway there was a '68 Galaxie Alabama Hwy Patrol car with an Police Interceptor 428 and C-6 that had come to FL for reasons unknown and got T-Boned while there. For $300 and several weekends of labor, this high school boy got the Galaxie and enough f-100 9 inch with Trac-lok and bigger brake goodies to whip up a formidable teenaged streeter. I loved that thing. 🥲

[@chrissytaylor5690]

It's still got those old Hi-Jacker Air shocks! Lol! I had those and extended leaf spring shackles on my 71 AMC Javelin! Gives it that wicked '70s stance! 😆 All that Fairlane needs is a set of wide keystone mags to make the look complete!!!

[@shannonschneider8413]

1275 in an aussie spec mini moke,now you're talking,super fun,had a 1100 engine in a 850 equipped van,so easy to build,everything interchanges,so jelly of that moke there

[@jonathanmiddleton1141]

How in the WORLD do you see a 67 Fairlane in that good of shape, and NOT buy it?!!!!! My mind is Blown!!!

[@jaysonescoe5799]

Reminds me of mine. Only was white/ red interior!! Oh I wished I had it now….such is life!!

[@justinraystyles3537]

I'm a GM man but I do love those 66 and 67 ford fairlanes!! I have a 67 farlane!!

[@tompreciado863]

Many years ago, I was able to buy a 61 complete corvair from pick your parts. It was considered salvage and had to go get it inspected in order to register it.

[@jackb1000]

Luv the junkyard videos!

[@victorrobinson9116]

If I had the cash I would buy the whole thing from the junkyard even if they wanted $1,000 I would pay it!

[@davidhughes4728]

I have a 1966 Ford Fairlane GT with 427 in it love the video man keep up the good work

[@Yungbull820]

I can’t wait to see the finish product

[@michaelcuff3418]

Yea! I'd love to see you guys in a Lemons race! For sure!

[@dusty1268]

Upsetting the mini truckers disrespecting those wheels 🤣

[@nothanks81]

Shame to see that parted out. Does that yard not sell full cars?

[@davidhughes4728]

I have a 1966 Fairlane 427 I built it myself 700 horsepower 9-in running gear I also had the 428 Super Cobra but I really love the video love to see old school cars it is a lot of fun to go in junk yards and get all parts so I love the video man keep up the good work

[@barneyrubble4801]

Craig, you should make one of your Galaxies right hand drive. I did it for a 69 Camaro that was being shipped overseas for this car builder I worked for. You definitely have the skills. The hardest part was cutting the dash up and making it look stock on the right. It's unique and people will break there necks. You need a rack for RH drive. To bad you couldn't save that Fairlane, sad to see it get crushed.✌

[@Mercmad]

It's easier than fitting a rack. Just buy Australian ZC and ZD Fairlane and falcon Parts ,firewall,steering box etc.

[@barneyrubble4801]

@@MaxGiganteum Not sure what you are trying to say, could you explain pls.

[@barneyrubble4801]

@@MaxGiganteum Thanks, I don't have a clue if you could buy an old RH drive Galaxy and have it imported to U.S. I would think that would be pretty pricey but again no clue. 👍 I just know when we shipped the RH drive Camaro overseas we could not ship the whole complete car. We had to ship it in pieces to different addresses, LS engine, aftermarket chassis, and body, then everything would go to one place for assembly. It was sketchy but something with the laws. ✌

[@indyjones3287]

Ah, the 2.2 Turbo Daytona... I had the Chrysler Laser version. The interior was factory. Should be an air bulb, in right side of drivers sest, to pump up the lumbar. Shifter linkage likes to pop off if you drive it hard. Head gaskets go easily, if you don't cool it well after running hard.

[@olikat8]

To fix them right- Cometic MLS headgasket, APR hardware, full head job. I had a 2.5 turbo Caravan with a ton of junkyard/common sense parts "Mixed & matched" to make a fun old, cheap Turbo Mopar that was handy as all get-out. I got mine to 308+K miles

[@michaelmclaughlin6]

I had a 66 fairlane 2dr post in high school. It was so easy to work on. 289 with cruise o matic c4. Bought it for 300.00 drove it for 3 yrs and sold it for 500.00

[@scottjays360s.johnson2]

My first car was a 68 Fairlane 2 dr, Maroon with white vinyl top and interior. ET slotted mags and BF Goodrich tires. Paid 100 bucks for it. The stories I could tell about that car. That car taught me how to wrench. Got it cheap bc of a broken motor mount that made it dangerous to drive. Motor would tilt and away she went all by herself. We survived some crazy launches.

[@scottburns4515]

Alot will enterchange with 66/67 fairlane but those headlight buckets are 67 only and 66 only if your using 66 grill and headlight bezels. Same for 67. Front valance and bumpers and hood will swap. Would be cool to see a 66/67 build. We got alot in common with the f100s and fairlane as I have both as well.

[@Dave_Boyer]

A long time friend of mine had a Shelby Daytona, back in the 80’s, man that thing would fly! Those Trackers use to be everywhere in the 90’s.

[@jamessalter676]

I remember back around 84 when I was a kid when those Daytonas was new. That was definitely all factory. My mom bought the turbo Omni that had the same wheels and I wanted her to get the Daytona. She ended up taking the car back for some reason. I believe Carroll Shelby had something to do with those cars.

[@robis40]

I think Shelby just lent his name to a few Chrysler products from that era. They were mass produced not like the Mustangs of the 60s.

[@christopherthompson5785]

Lee Iococa called Shelby to come out of car retirement to help him at Chrysler. Iococa and Shelby was the reason for the team up in the 60’s at Ford. GLH Omni and Daytona were worked on by Shelby but not to the extent he worked with ford. Shelby tuned on the engines but his name would be on it. I think the turbos were all on him. I’m not one hundred percent sure. Shelby’s Chrysler days were very short. The Dakota is what people want with the Shelby name. Even though the fairings flew off.

[@ItzNickyJ]

Somebody somewhere is geeking over them alloys. I have some rims kinda like those and hate them lmao. Got them with my 78 malibu classic 4 door. Looks like a hot wheel with them on it. Big in the lowered truck community.

[@patrioticaussiesams8581]

We got Only 4 doors in Australia dam I wouldn't leave that yard with out the Fairlane.. be sweet to build it as a period 60s pro sticker look. 390 Stroker FE big block

[@craigmeyers8793]

No fill. Was a 390 4 speed.how do we contact?

[@1968fairlane]

Soooo I'm just guessing but got a feeling you scooped up that 67 fairlane 500 from your 2020 ig story? Nice!

[@williamdouglass7864]

I once pulled a 1966 hemi Dodge Charger out of a junkyard they actually sold it to me I paid them a $1000 for and ended up restoring it

[@bigdubb_t9563]

I'd buy that dude!, It's pretty tidy and would be a great daily!!

[@seanwright6049]

I was thinking the same thing when you first saw this thing. I saw it online at the oceanside pick and pull and was thinking how did this thing end up in there.

[@winstonlandymore4154]

MAKE a NASCAR Replica and use it as a track car. Or sell it as a track car. I built one about 10 years ago and it was easy to do and unlike a restoration , you get rid of most of the unneeded parts. You can sell the unused parts and make your money back Track/race cars don't need a title to sell.

[@johnsarian_cu]

I'm a vote for watching the Austin or MG or whatever it is revived. Just to see the wreck less driving that I'm sure fo!lows LOL. Those are fun and nimble even if slow.

[@davidbower6019]

That mustang is a rare find. The prob with these parts yards is that the parts you look for are GONE before you even know the car is there. The hood i wanted was gone, car was there only 2 days!

[@eddiespagetti8395]

I had 67 fairlane. 289 headers and .big cam when I was 17. I never got it going on road. It had serious blow by and motor was damaged and I did not have funds to get it going good. It started and ran rough and was full of Bondo . I paid 500 buck for it. In 1990 my neighbor gave me 2000 cash for it. I love these fairlanes . Good luck finding one now

[@tmuny1380]

This is such a unique situation ! Can you imagine finding a abandoned car in a junkyard ?!

[@rscamarolover]

Sad to see that old Ford there someone should have stopped the car from being actually junked but that old rustyg10 van was posted on a few van sites at an auction and nobody went to bid, I was not able to go I'd have bought the van and used her for storage

[@shameless5868]

Galaxy and Fairlane have NO sheet metal in common. Fairlane is a mid size, Galaxy is a full size. If you do go to put Fairlane sheet metal on a Galaxy make a video. I want to see you do it.

[@olikat8]

That Daytona? Probably had the next gen "Tuff Wheel" with the horn button with the Pentastar, it's Saginaw-sourced column that fits a ton of Mopars and GM. I have one in my '76 Valiant sedan, had one in my '85 Gran Fury cop car (it was an Arson Investigator car in Seattle- it was perfect) straight bolt-in in both cases. The interior? Stock. Was a cross between houndstooth and Porsche "Pasha" seat cloth design

[@bobbyv5143]

I did a little search and that interior in the Daytona is a factory setup.

[@johnoneal1999]

That Daytona is Shelby designed & those seats may be Recaros like from the Indy foxes

[@richterknives]

My First car was a white 67 Fairlane! Best looking Ford ever made in my opinion

[@kevinwright1551]

Vary awesome indeed. Keep up the great work. Okay.

[@kmnremtp]

Yeah, get the go kart running!

[@mattneaderhiser4658]

It’s sad to see that Daytona. That thing is rad!

[@ryanmac8283]

Damn that’s a find.

[@jimarruda9788]

Joe dirt, Joe dirt, Joe dirt ! Cool haircut dude!

[@patrickkennedy2533]

with this car id either go resto mod nascar theme or just straight up street racer

[@jamiyaziya4680]

I knew his hair was good luck 😂

[@Nobody-sk3hw]

Back in the day I wasn't driving but I saw one of those Dodge Daytona's kick ass on a Corvette craziest thing I ever saw

[@davidjohnmiller4849]

You said Fairlane’ Galaxies and Torino’s .... all the same ? The Galaxy was its entire life span from 1959 into the 1970’s a FULL-FRAME body on frame design ... the Fairlane ( in the mid to late 60’s ) was derived from the Mustang , which was derived from a 1962 Falcon , and yes the Torino up until 1971 .... was a UNIT-BODY design .... Fairlane and Galaxy don’t share any thing body ( design ) related .

[@tombryant1104]

All of Ford's compact, intermediate and pony cars share many mechanical parts. None have relationship to Galaxie. Actually the '67 Mustang borrowed heavily from larger '66 Fairlane, were first of this chassis to get a production line big block. Yeah the '64 Thunderbolt was first but those were outsourced to Dearborn Steel Tubing. The '66-'70 Falcons share same basic chassis as Fairlane/Torino. I once swapped a 351 from '69 Torino GT into '67 Falcon, everything interchanged.

[@robertclark9]

Man that is a solid car! That baby would make a crazy nice street rod. Drop an FE 390 with a C6 in there and a nine inch rear end and you’re stylin!

[@diegosilang4823]

The sad part is this car have less rust holes than my 68 Supreme 😭

[@josephdougherty2399]

My oldest boy I bought a Shelby Daytona with the 2.2 Mitsubishi.... It was such a POS... When it died he worked on it for a couple days ....when he couldn't figure it out I went over to look it over... That POS Mitsubishi had a distributor that drove off a gear in the center of the crank.... When I was checking it out I pulled the cap and had him crank it...It cranked...but no rotor movement.. initially I thought it sheared a roll pin on the gear on the distributor shaft....NOPE.... The phuquing crank was two piece keyed together on the distributor drive gear....the crank sheared in 2

[@josephdougherty2399]

Craig, I shit you not...in 1980 I bought a beautiful Florida 67 Fairlane GT 390 hipo 4 speed (I live in Michigan) for only $400... Like a dumb ass I never looked under it. It was a coastal car obviously.. it ran beautiful.... But when I drove it home it was all over the road. "No worries" I thought, "front end must be shot"..... Dude,. I got that phuquer home and got it in the air....the sub frame rails were rotted ...the fronts were separated from floors and ready to break from firewall, in the rear the shackles we're ready to punch into the trunk. No repop stuff then. It was honestly worth it. The 390 hipo went into a F100

[@tjcollins9318]

get it running !!!!!!!!!!

[@robertironside3166]

Can you get and keep this Fairlane?? Huh? Just... ya man... such a cool project to follow the Galaxie fleet! :-))

[@daxconfusion4404]

Totally do a revival on the lemans car!!

[@garysells4259]

In Washington you can get a salvage title. Fix it And go through the Dot and get a title

[@carlstephens1532]

I had a 67 Fairlane ,made it a super nice drag car on the street ,with a 302 4speed ,eventually a 460 auto made it in but it broke the "frame " in the front near the door hinges, I ended up selling it to a close friend who repaired the damage and rust ,,, the repair was good but the "frame" broke again , he sold it to a drag racer up north ,,he put the body on a pro race car, the floor and unibody were too weak to use . Those cars rust where you don't want ..

[@jasonmyers3847]

I think you should have bought the whole car. It would have been worth saving. You can buy the missing parts new. '67 was the last good year.

[@dominicbrinas5466]

I wish you were able to save the fairlane. Not too many of them in SD county that I’ve seen

[@indicasativa8542]

I would’ve bought The Who;em car. Good find👍

[@filmart430]

What is the location of the junk yard?

[@sweettee3647]

Yes they did have a king Cobra that was like a 77 or 78. And also the air shocks on the Fairlane was a really common thing in the 70s and early 80s.

[@bobbynunley3418]

That's what you usually find in a barn or behind someone house been sitting 30 years not in a junk yard

[@joeychaseable]

Is that a LKQ Yard? Are you able to buy the car from them? Answered around 12min & 40Sec mark...

[@shannonschneider8413]

Checkout aussie built ZA/ZD Fairlanes,same sheet metal as this,but we never got two door versions

[@edmondpecotjr.8888]

Dude that's the exact same kinda cobra from Charlie's Angels that Farrah Fawcett used to drive

[@kennethchapman9564]

I had a 67 Fairlane GTA with a built 428cj in it. Being that it was a South Carolina car was extremely clean. Sold it in early nineties.

[@MustangGuy6501]

Dang I wish I was there my mustang NEEDS that carburetor