Hollow Knight - Speedrunner vs. 5 Hunters, but there's a Traitor (AGAIN)

[@fireb0rn]

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[@dabgodsmt3358]

arthur: legends rise be looking kinda cool

[@thatfroggyguy]

Can you make a tutorial on how to play a hk manhunt with your friends?

[@Pancakes119]

Why don’t you talk in these videos? I think it would be more entertaining if you did

[@pizzafire6666]

@@Pancakes119 well it's hard to talk and focus on the game for some people and that's probably why, I personally like the silent runner

[@Doctor_Bleh]

A suggestion for encouraging hunters to out the imposter. Maybe they start with three masks and get a mask when the traitor is ousted. Or you have an extra mask while the traitor lives. Some sort of bonus that encourages the hunters to actually vote.

[@BlueSR]

a little bit of subterfuge, a little bit of sabotage.....

[@peytonerwin2883]

Blue how you comment the second the video comes out

[@KareemElm]

Ho did bro comment before the video even uploaded 💀🙏🏻

[@eva-m4j7c]

@@peytonerwin2883 the ping in the discord

[@munchyslime]

bruh

[@DaniilFrolov-f2n]

Did you win the game of Balatro on your second monitor tho?

[@Imperial_Squid]

43:14 "I mean whoever the imposter is they're playing pretty well" lmao Blue

[@obaid8323]

@@Imperial_Squid that's just the meme where Obama gives a medal to himself

[@hatyyy]

@obaid8323 exactly what i thought when i heard that lol

[@Kayta-Linda]

Every single traitor from now on has to do this joke at least once per game.

[@orca9281]

Blue was such an "aggressive" traitor I love it. Also I am noticing more Xenoblade background music recently and I am all here for it

[@fireb0rn]

Xenoblade music slaps! Thanks orca.

[@dim_sam3475]

Tiefseeorca reference??

[@mys3cretskill]

playing with a traitor makes this so much harder than it actually is, and that's already really hard. lol

[@seadog9201]

New video on April 1st: 5 player manhunt but everyone is an imposter.

[@QYXP]

Actually hilarious

[@BurntToast487]

Everyone is an imposter, but they think they're the only imposter

[@anwd8646]

Two traitors phone in at the same time and are instantly confused. The video then focuses on seeing if the “hunters” can see through the veil and realise that they’ve been had.

[@monkeyme]

That would be awesome but it has to be recorded preemptively by a lot or the hunters will suspect that its a troll

[@anwd8646]

@ By requesting it on April Fools? Just request for footage for vid to release in April, never possibly imply it could be an April fools video, and hopefully your friends aren’t that suspicious of because if they are there’s already relationship problems there.

[@koenbres]

Blue was sooooo amazing as traitor! Such a baller move to fake see the speedrunner that many times. Really fun game!

[@TheSkribeOfSirkles]

"Kinda kicked everyone's asses" hehe. nice. I appreciate your level of humility. 10/10.

[@PhantasticalPhiasco]

Thanks for having me again! Twice now I've trusted someone with my life and have been betrayed. Surely one day I'll rise forth from this pit of Blues.

[@Rayneworld]

You've done great in both tho! It was very entertaining.

[@sophialu7907]

Ah notice the capitalized “Blues” 😏 I caught that

[@RaynMason]

Clearly this means third time's the time you get to betray them all right?

[@kovexplay]

Blue did a really good job as the traitor, it was nice team work from both of you! The occasional povs popping up are once again a nice touch, makes it easier to track what other players are doing. Removing lifelines was seemingly a good move too, as was demomstrated hunters can still track the runner as long as they aren't completly getting tricked

[@bigbraveboop]

@@kovexplay agree, i wasnt a fan of the lifelines cause they felt a little unfair

[@SeaScorpion538]

Yeah the hunters seemed to do just fine without lifelines, usually a lever trigger or purchase gives away his position anyway

[@mr.fergustires2559]

@@bigbraveboop It heavily depends on the skill of the hunters. Some of the earlier vids without lifelines were rough because the hunters just couldn't track Fire since they lacked map and speedrun knowledge. Here it's fine because they all know the game very well.

[@andnekon]

"One day he'll use my footage" at 26:28 with the still footage in the corner is an underappriciated edit

[@Waasephi]

Thanks for having me on! Had a lot of fun with it, even if I was standing still for a while.

[@Megaswave12]

You smell

[@Imperial_Squid]

Just more time to spend playing Balatro

[@emppppppp]

@@Megaswave12 hi

[@T1nyRaccoon]

a while? lol that was 2/3rds of the video

[@Spiney09]

What the heck, just came from survivor, this was a crossover I should have seen coming but didn’t!

[@collector8502]

"I dont think he can do that without dash" as fire climbs back out of deepnest into fungal

[@quatopine7907]

Thanks for having me on one of these for the first time! Admittedly glad I wasn’t the traitor because that would have been sooo stressful

[@a_good_doggo]

Well played man. Going against fireborn alone takes immense skill that even i don't have :)

[@thepurplemudkip9998]

moving the hunter's pov to different sides of the screen depending on what the focus of the shot is was a genius move from the editor

[@SAmaryllis]

I burst out laughing seeing the UFO as the mongus cdash. I think Blue did really well, but also maybe called out seeing Fire when seeing him too often! It was hilarious when there were like 3 players on you and they all lost you :D

[@Air_Pilote]

I absolutely love this format. Please try it with Windette. His chaotic energy will make for some hilarious dialogue

[@Vide501]

windette might just be the most annoying person in the entire community

[@RhettBreinholt]

​@@Vide501 i mean....

[@Air_Pilote]

@ Personally I find him hilarious. His hollow knight videos where he tries to accomplish random things like get all nail upgrades have some of the funniest interactions with his twitch chat. I can understand if some people aren't too enchanted by his outwardly chaotic nature but I find it makes for some really funny moments

[@goldberg91]

@@Vide501 if u cant stand insulting chaos, sure. i personally find him really funny.

[@SoRePeSi]

Traitor Windette would be very funny, but we'd have to get lucky

[@Oteczek]

THE GOAT IS BACK Also, you should do a manhunt where everyone has the same skin and the hunters don’t know who the speedrunner is.

[@Rayneworld]

I think this would be fun for an April Fools day run but besides that be kind of frustrating. Just my opinion tho.

[@Oteczek]

@@RayneworldI guess, I though of this idea while in the middle of the video so I didn’t really think to deeply about it

[@Someone_you_may_know69]

56:57 The way I paused to look at how much time was left to see if he made it out with his 1 heart.....well played Fire, well played. My jaw was dropped.

[@ars-br1ms]

imo the traitor should be allowed to stag but others can't, it'd be a pretty cool reference to venting in among us

[@arjunbaweja7755]

That’s interesting if the mod doesn’t reveal he stags but at the same time there’s no point. My idea is that one time the traitor can toggle some sort of mode which reveals he’s the traitor but for a duration he can’t be voted and he’s really strong combat wise. As like a last ditch effort. But I don’t think that’s healthy tho

[@Remir_]

@@arjunbaweja7755Bad idea, it’s only going to be turned on when the traitor is about to get kicked

[@Cdawg_224]

@@arjunbaweja7755the traitor SHOULD have more responsibility in my opinion, perhaps a sabotage feature like disabling VC for 30s or other abilities

[@KaiTheMemeKing]

@@Cdawg_224 Oooh, that's a really cool idea. I hope they implement something like that in the future

[@laith8116]

@@Cdawg_224 yes, he does need more responsibility, because as Fire said, voting him out doesn't really do anything atm. He needs a buff

[@5nui_lovr]

the spoiler wall is so effective omg i had no idea. i love it!!!

[@monkeyme]

It had no affect on me since i had no clue how much time was left

[@toffeefeathers]

@@5nui_lovr yeah I totally worked on me too, I checked to see how much longer the vid was and thought he was safe. He died like 2 minutes later haha

[@ShycoWar]

Sadly, it didn't work on me. I have this subconscious habit of keeping in mind what time it'll be when a video I'm watching ends, so even without actually checking the timebar, I ended up realizing that (spoilers) . . . . . . . . "with roughly 15-20 minutes of video left and still no Dream Nail, I don't think he can possibly make it to the end at this point" :V

[@5nui_lovr]

@ShycoWar i didn't think he'd make it to the HK and win, but i liked being caught off guard on exactly how and when he lost the run!!

[@dusty7084]

I really like the way you stopped people from looking ahead for the result, and it was a good opportunity to talk about how things are going behind the scenes, I hope you keep doing that

[@AlexKnauth]

(31:13) Excellent editing with the line of "if he was in City he'd be hitting levers" shown just as you were waiting outside Tram as a potential lever-confounder

[@YoshiFawful64]

40:35 That Husk was really determined to rat out your hiding spot

[@ElijahTackett-xn9wy]

@@YoshiFawful64 was so close

[@Mothuzad]

To encourage voting and make it matter, make voting impossible after the runner opens BET. The traitor can openly help the runner fight if they aren't voted out before then. Voting wrong makes things much worse, though. To make it happen earlier, give the runner some other bonus if they get N progression before M hunters have been voted out. Or compensate hunters for voting wrong. Could even just give hunters faster soul regen after each vote.

[@laith8116]

I think, to encourage voting, Fire will have to buff the traitor powerful enough where if they're NOT taken care of before BET it's a problem. Of course, if the traitor DOES end up in BET *with* Fire, then they'd team up against the hunters and that is pretty powerful already. Maybe he could add sabotages? like a sabotage the traitor will unlock once fire unlocks something in the run (like dreamers). Maybe the sabotages could include forcing the other hunters to spread out across areas, or pick up useless items before a time limit runs out.

[@The_carrot_man]

I really like how you left commentary at the end so you couldn't guess the video ended early, that resting grounds fight was really intense and since there was 20min left i was left at the edge of my seat to see what would happen. Something that might be fun is a room randomizer, it'll make everything a lot more chaotic though balancing it so it's not boring/overly random might be difficult. Either way love these video and can't wait for the next one!

[@nicjoy4407]

Room randomizers are way too hard to follow, someone would find him and there would be no way ti communicate it. Would be a fun April Fool's video though.

[@MatthewMorris6148]

1:04:35 One potential idea I just had for that is similar to the area lifelines that give the area you're in, but instead it's either 3 random areas where only one is correct (yes, they could potentially be across the map from each other), or to split the map into 3-5 larger sections that all cover multiple areas. That would give them some ideas about where you are, without outright revealing your location. One other idea: You know that mechanic in Room Randos, where you can choose a room on the map and it'll guide you there through the most efficient path? It would similar to that. Once every 5-10 minutes, an arrow would appear on the hunters screens, and it would point to the doorway that would give them the most efficient path to you. Only for that room though. But if they're spread out, they may be able to share information to more precisely pinpoint your location.

[@fireb0rn]

Oh yeah. I had a crazy minigame idea involving the arrows that are used by the map mod. It would be really cool I think, but also tricky to develop, so I've been leaning toward naming the areas of each player, but thought that wasn't ambiguous enough. Great idea to add a random area! I'll think about that one.

[@zacharysawcyn3066]

@@fireb0rnI had an idea for the social deduction part what if the imposter still loses but switches to helping the hunters so the results of the vote is either A: Incorrect -> lose the teammate you accused Or B: correct -> gain the imposter as a new teammate

[@amethyst_of_light]

@zacharysawcyn3066 i think this could be a good idea, however, it ruins a bit of the intensity, since by the time you'd vote someone out you'd probay immediately figure out if they were bad or not

[@carlsholm2990]

Really love the editing in this video. The split POV's are really good and helps you create an image of where everybody is. It's especially good at 38:34.

[@JoshTheValiant]

That Cron pursuit was INTENSE O_O Oddball Hunter concept: before the game starts, the Hunters choose a charm loadout, which unlocks progressively alongside speedrunner advancement. The hunters cannot duplicate charms between them, which should hopefully encourage the hunters adopting roles within their squad, kind of like the powers videos.

[@speenta4879]

@@JoshTheValiant I like this

[@georgelongcoal1117]

​@@JoshTheValiant Ohhh that's pretty interesting all things considered. no spells tho. Maybe the runner can ban a few (as well as the ones that are banned naturally for them)?

[@rollin340]

The call that jump that was deemed "not happening" at 27:41 after it was already done was hilarious. I'll never tire watching these videos.

[@Lucifer_Abysseum]

i have no idea why im so invested in all of those runs. Very fun to have all those moment where Blue fully lied and it worked, that was satisfying.

[@shacochan7711]

Here is a suggestion for traitor games like this. Fireborn can hear the traitors coms at all times. The traitor can speak in a blatant way that provides fireborn with valuable information. It could be repeating the hunters plans or stating their location in an obscure way. Speaking in such a way would be extremely sus and it would be interesting to see how the hunters create a manner of speech to avoid this suspicion.

[@CamoLoTiProd]

Blue being both modest and patting himself on the back was hilarious. I would love to see this yet again. Hopefully I can play this with some friends one time or another

[@Rayneworld]

I love these! I think all the concerns you brought up were valid tho. I've never minded that players camp! I think it's fun if 1-2 camp and others chase, it just makes sense, so shocked to hear some people complain. Would love to see more traitor stuff! It's super fun. I was actually laughing out loud at this vid, something I don't think I've done watching any of your other SvH vids? The Uumuu section was just really funny, with 3 hunters deciding to do it, Blue being confused why, and then Phia being like "wait Uumuu isn't guarded anymore I have to go back why did we all leave" lol. I also like Phia's silent strat, it works well. And Blue was super entertaining the whole time ofc! And kudos to Waasephi for sticking out the camping!

[@collector8502]

The main problem i see with the camping is the number of people make it so they could have 2 people searching for fire, and 3 people camping all the objectives needed to progress. It just makes it a bit rougher for the runner. I will say, i dont really have that much of an issue with it, especially in a format with no lifelines.

[@madjazzer4272]

I really enjoyed this one! You and Blue did an excellent job of communicating. Not as much combat as usual but so much scheming and genuinely good hunter plays.

[@woepdiecat]

this was the most fun manhunt i've seen yet, blue and fire combo is insane. GG to everyone

[@SBimon155]

The extra section is a great addition, love it. Both as a spoilerwall and also just so we can hear some thoughts from you and the hunters. What could be nice would be some way to easily assign the respective skins to the player. Especially with the Amogus skins its a bit confusing. Something like displaying the name of the player in the top of their pov camera when it's shown or smt like that.

[@Some_Random_Artist3110]

We may only get a fireb0rn hollow knight manhunt video every once in a while but when we do it's worth it

[@jojeez]

You cant believe how much I needed that today. Thank you fireb0rn

[@fireb0rn]

take care!

[@yourmirage3597]

i actually love these types of videos and i keep rewatching old speedrunner vs hunter vids

[@kmbehrens14]

Kudos on the editing this episode! The mini-screens sliding around, the faded audio to simulate the cross-talk - a real pleasure to watch!

[@riskoflobsters]

58:17 Love the idea of exploring hand/brain speedrunner vs. hunters. I've seen a hilarious bingo variant where the brain only communicates with the hand through pictionary-style drawings - I think it would be a lot of fun to watch fire decipher those under pressure.

[@nicjoy4407]

Honestly this format has been one of my favorites! A layer of doubt among the hunters leads to some funny moments, and the cast all were pretty fun. I do like the idea proposed to disincentive staying in place, perhaps give the hunters faster lifelines but they show your location from 2-3 minutes ago. Friendly fire being on definitely makes this more exciting, however the fear of getting the vote wrong was massive, since then the traitor could openly kill people and it is just a 2v3. Perhaps you could allow more votes so the traitor still can't reveal. The idea of making the remaining hunters stronger after a vote, like perhaps faster soul gain is an interesting avenue to explore to encourage voting (just to clarify, they would gain this whether they vote right or wrong, and they won't know if they voted out the traitor until after the run)

[@bobthedragon3643]

48:30 The tone he used saying "What's that lever?" makes me feel like he's in a game show where you guess the lever

[@trickingzenith]

The teamwork pogo at 20:18 was insane, holy hell. What an incredible way to think on your feet

[@firexvii]

love the little text popups every now and then that show your thought process, really helps for someone like me who isnt very experienced

[@Powerofthewaaagh]

I deeply enjoy the post-game discussion and breakdown by Fire, as he talks not only about what happened in that game in particular, but also the structure and format and ways it could be tweaked going forward. The open acknowledgement that this is a living format that's actively being tweaked to make it more fun and interesting does so much to get me excited for future videos!

[@DokuDoki]

This was such a fun one omg. The longer you wait on dream nail the more difficult it gets to collect it, and to collect the dreamers afterwards, because your options for what you could be doing would be exhausted by then.

[@b1oodzy]

This was by far the best manhunt idea. Glad to live in an era with Hollow Knight + fireborn + among us?

[@maxnoname7712]

Well that's fun :D

[@fireb0rn]

did i put the video in the playlist early again oops, well enjoy

[@Mega_Croissantamence]

44:03 EXTREMELY based music choice. good job, editor

[@wasyago]

i was just done rewatching all the other speedrunner vs hunter videos, and now youbupload a new one! this is a real treat! gread job dude

[@silksong37]

Dude huge props fire, having the names to show who was talking in the beginning was a HUGE improvement over the previous imposter video. I know it probably took monumental amounts of editing but it makes it so much easier to follow. Glad to see feedback being taken into consideration :))

[@nateeverett1646]

Never been this early. Love your videos fire! Idea for you, Speedrunner v Hunter, with an additional watcher, someone who knows where you are and can give cryptic hints to the hunters every 5-10 minutes. This can be a list of premade ones by you or them, almost riddles that could lead them to multiple places in the game, something like “nearing a place where danger rains” for city of tears or “walking along a path well trodden” could be Dirthmouth, could be forgotten crossroads, could even be a place where they’ve run into each other a lot.

[@azranova]

Love the vid! I always get really excited when I see one of these in my feed. Hopefully you keep doing these even when silksong one day comes out. The editing was, as always, incredible

[@jansova3866]

Lifelines could tell you only the biome where the hunter is or they could tell you what was the last pickup item, lever, spell, spell upgrade or nail art you got or bought. Maybe they could even chosse with one they want (the biome location or the last item) because they could get confused by the item where you could have picked it up and booked it to the other side of the map or get confused by the biome if you would be at the edge of one and just leaving. Also when I say biome I mean areas like greenpath, crossroads, city, water ways, the hive, etc.

[@teura5509]

At the end, during the postgame talk the issue that voting is of little consequence is mentioned. So, how about once a someone is voted out, no matter if it's the traitor or not, give the remaining hunters some kind of bonus. Vengeful spirit, as mentioned, might be good example. Why? This'd give hunters incentive to vote someone to get the bonus. But if they get it wrong, then the traitor is also free to use it against them. Also, these have been the best of the speedrunner vs hunters series so far.

[@RedTouch8]

I absolutely love the speed runner versus Hunter videos, but I have to say ever since switching from a time limit to steel soul, they have been a little lackluster and samey up until the point fire gets claw, no matter what the hunter gimmick is. Fighting fire doesn’t really get them anything that early since his only goal is to not die, and if the hunters do manage to kill him then it’s a short lackluster run that gets tacked onto a video with a longer run that is actually interesting, or I assume we never see it at all.

[@mattyloz1]

I agree, I get why he didn't want it to be time based to allow for more strategy but the videos are less interesting when he can just wait them out imo

[@fireb0rn]

the timer actually makes the games more similar as it more or less forces the any% route. the games being samey until claw being samey is kind of inevitable though, the game doesn't open up until you get vertical traversal

[@RedTouch8]

@@fireb0rn that makes sense about the timer. I also have the easy job pointing out an issue without having any idea how you could fix it XD I do think it would be worth trying to figure out something that doesn’t make the early fights lackluster, but doesn’t just… not start until claw? Maybe something like the upgrades the hunters get are on a timer instead of tied to you getting them? Would add some stakes, if you go faster you can outpace their upgrades gaining an advantage, but if they stall you long enough they get upgrades giving you a disadvantage?

[@superlagbro192]

​@@fireb0rn maybe you could try true ending runs, but you start with claw/dash?

[@calvindang7291]

I always thought the best solution to "earlygame is always samey" was "remove earlygame". Make the speedrunner start with claw (well, and hunters too, obviously), then this isn't a problem anymore.

[@spectre7195]

next time tell them there is a traitor even though there isnt

[@SoRePeSi]

Imagine the opposite: EVERYONE is traitor and has to pretend they're not, and the goal is for Fire to beat the game before they realize

[@TylerCole-dv6li]

It'd be cool if, as the hunters get better, you add longer death timers. Also, one way to discourage stacking on bosses could be to add freeze timers. So for dreamnails case, once acquiring it you could have a set time where the hunters have to wait. Might be convoluted. Could be worth a shot though.

[@Loaf2]

Hollow Knight: Speedrun Edition: Speedrunner vs. Hunter Edition: Speedrunner vs. 5 Hunters Edition: Among Us Edition

[@carlotta4th]

It definitely seems like traitor is better used informing the player where they are rather than lying and pretending he's somewhere he's not (that's too easy to catch).

[@bronzechicken1030]

Spoilers!! Absolutely LOVED the commentary and the spoiler blocker time you added on, it’s something I wish was in more because I hate being able to see when it’ll end - also, the discussion after was really cool! Love hearing the behind the scenes and ideas etc

[@Kaaladin]

So glad to see this series is still happening! I've recently started practicing for Any% and I'm loving this content!

[@ericminion2442]

I was just rewatching old vs videos because I was craving a new one. Thanks for consistently putting out great content!

[@Netsuki]

Yay! Another Speedrunner vs Hunters video! I wonder if raising quality of mobile games is caused by how great Genshin Impact is and how successful it became. Because Genshin is AAA-tier mobile game and I'm not joking. I don't know how good that King Arthur game is, but I can definitely say that Genshin is worth playing. And today I actually met a Holllow Knight fan while in co-op. They were happy that I noticed their name with Hollow Knight reference. I always love how they underestimate you. "He can't be in Deepnest". Or dubbing exiting Deepnest impossible. Even if they ackowledged that there might be a way out, haha. I also love these videos exactly because of that. Fire is unpredictable. He can either do something normal or something crazy. I remember one time someone said that "it's fire, he might have been able to do that". I don't remember exactly what it was, but I think it was getting to Deepnest VERY early in the game. You actually didn't go to Deepnest that time, but that person was right. You are THAT unpredictable. You could have done something so crazy. and you did crazy stuff many times. Yeah, Blue was too sus. He should have been more careful. Like he always went that he spotted you and lost immediatelly or something like this. While he wasn't voted out, they probably had hard suspicions against him already and if someone innitiated a vote against him, I could see most Hunters would vote hit out actually. Camping is okay, tbh. They are here to GUARD the locations. It's their job. Chasing isn't always best strategy. And I actually had a thoguth. One Hunter was in Greenpath and was hidden behind something. And I thought that if you get here and they spotted you, one of the strategy could be that they STAY HIDDEN and alert other Hunters so YOU DON'T KNOW they've spotted you and that strategy could lead for an ambush that you couldn't predict. But if instead that a hidden player chased you, that would alert you that THEY KNOW your location. Keeping your position from the other team is something best thing to do, even if chasing a Speedrunner might sound optimal at the first glance. Of course, adding Traitor to the equation might change the outcome, but it's ultimately battle of information and deception. That's the point of the whole thing. Also baiting opponent(s) is also good strategy. You baited them in one location so they think you go here or there, but went somewhere else. The same thing can be done by Hunters. They might bait you into thinking they are guarding something, but ambushing you when you try to escape. For example one player would go to Hornet, but other players would wait in the Greenpath entrance. That would lead you to think that they are guarding the boss, while they are ambushing you somewhere else. Of course, that's extremely hard to pull off, especially with a Traitor in the team. But I'm speaking in general. Because SvH is more than just Amogus mode. Ultimately what matters is who can deceive other team better. Or who can obtain better information and ambush or escape. Yeah, I actually noticed that you had a white screen and got hit there at the same time from other person's perspective. But again, balancing the gameplay is impossible. You are trying to balance the main Speedrunner vs Hunters mode for years. How many lifelines? How often? Can you get killed? Is the penalty of getting killed ending the game or just deducing the time. Do you have any timer or not. And so much more. And this is Speedrunner vs Hunters with Amogus mode, that you just played twice. It's hard to balance everything out. You would realistically need hundreds of matches played to have a good data and still wouldn't be able to balance everything perfectly. It will never be perfect, but it's always fun to watch. But if you overbalance something to one side, then that side can be too OP, but if you neglect to balance it, then the other side might have it too easy. Still, in most cases you were the winner. And your recent loses were your own fault. Or would I say... because the mode is quite hard and pressurizing, you got a bad decision at the end and that's got you killed. It's not that you played bad, it was great game as a whole. You deceived them so well. But you probably were under rpessure of obtaining the Dreamnail finally, that you had to go there in the end. And that was your doom. Tbh, I think removal of pickup limits would be great. I really enjoyed all these matches when you went from location A to B to C, picked up all three Nail Arts and they were in terror. Because that added to the unpredictability. Where could you have gone to. And instead of guarding few spots, they would have to consider you doing something crazy. I mentioned in one of the above paragraphs that I loved when you were so unpredictable, that they couldn't know what you would have been doing. That's the best part of this videos. So if you remove pikcup limits, it would be great. Getting Dashmaster would give you better movement ability. And if I recal correctly, you actually used this charm in one or few SvH videos. I really love the unpredictability, that's why I think pickup limits is not something I like. But also imagine giving some buffs to Hunters for certain pickups. What, if you get the three Nail Arts, they could chose one Nail art to use as well? Or it could be predetermined Great Slash. And something like this. And yeah, I know it would be hard to balance out. But that's just some random idea I had. Lifelines could give information about the area you are in. Not sure how would that work, but if it's possible through some mod, it could have replaced Hunter's map that instead of showing the map with your location, it could say the name of the area you are in in the chat. Like it says when you hit a lever or pickup a grub. Or maype instead of chat message it would just mark that location on the map itself, like lighting it up for example. Either way could be interesting. I also had another idea. What about lifeline for Speedrunner? Like the classic "check the map for the location of Speederunner" but reversing the roles now. That could be one lifetime per game, otherwise it would be too OP. After all, it's not exciting if Speedrunner can just avoid the Hunters all the time, without any pressure or consequences. Oh. I would love to see fire as a Hunter. This would be extremely confusing, I would probably still subconsciously think you are the Speedrunner. That would be a fresh air for the series, especially that they know your crazy tricks. But they would have to adjust it for the new Speedrunner. Mentality of a person is what made them make a decision. And that could be interesting. If you were a Hunter, trying to kill a Speedrunner with your team, this would definitely be fun to watch. Btw, changing some rules to adjust to the hunter, like less penalty or something. You said people didn't make it through Greenpath, but what if you buffed them a little or nerfed Hunters. Or gave them 3 lives. Or give them longer headstart, but at the same time two Hunters would start at the same time, instead of just one. And they would always leave the beginning in pairs, unless there is only one Hunter left. So e.g. 3 minute headstart, first two Hunters leave, then after 1 more minute another two leave etc. In this game, Hunters were actually quite unlucky. Because they just missed you most of the times. Some of the times were thanks to your deception and Blue's help, but other times, they chased you and lost quickly. So if they were more persistent and lucky with the chases, you could be in a pickle many times. Lmao, they wanted to hit Blue to fall into Abyss, but he stopped on the platform. That was so funny.

[@theunknown5415]

Bruv how much time did you spend on this? Its a damn essay

[@Netsuki]

@@theunknown5415 It's not an essay. It's just few sentences. It's sad that people react that way when you comment more than two sentences. It says a lot about society today. I used to write few times as much for a ~20 minute episode of a Let's play. But then I decided to just ignore some stuff and not comment on exactly everything. That's really not that much text. And it took me few minutes max to write all these. And the last few paragraphs were taking the dialogue from the end of the video, about balancing, new ideas and stuff. It's probably 2 book pages worth of text at best. Are two pages of the book that much?

[@JamesSDO]

I almost quit halfway through the first video with how often certain people were calling out the traitor over nonsense, so I'm glad this one has been much better with accussations. (So far at least). I don't know what it is, but things like that have always infuriated me, lol.

[@felipebr13pr44]

57:00 - 57:09 thats actually genius, the timeline is always spoiling lmao.

[@daanroggeveen1103]

Omg yes!! Finally I've been waiting so long! I love your content especially the multiplayer challenge videos! Please never stop making them.

[@SoRePeSi]

"Is anyone at sanctum?" "I don't think so, but I'd go resting grounds" "Ok." * cuts to sanctum * The extra section was very clever, when they all converged at seer I checked the time and thought "huh, wonder how he'll get out of that one." Turns out he didn't lmao Also I have to say Blue was being VERY risky with all those lies. The first encounter would've denounced him instantly.

[@Clammychow]

44:20 W calamity mod music also i love the post game commentary/spoiler wall

[@henryst-1]

oh yeah hand brain is a great idea. if you’re nervous about finding bingo players who are too good lmk, I’m good at rando bingo but I have a LOT to learn about vanilla bingy

[@fireb0rn]

noted! thanks for the offer henry

[@bigfategg_4554]

Very entertaining video again fire!! I think on the topic of this game type, it might be interesting to have a game where there is another player on your team, but the hunters are able to kill them and will have to do the waiting period. That way, there is a player on your team who is collecting information and should avoid dying but there is tons of strategy and deception. The only issue that could arise would probably be putting the video together, but I think it would be a unique game type! Again, really enjoyed this video!!

[@madkippz1029]

I found your channel last week and every manhunt I've watched was amazing and this one is absolute peak

[@Demonecro]

The editing on this is fantastic! Always love watching these hunts

[@Thayenh]

I love the end game thoughts and comments ! Honestly a really interesting segment of the whole challenge, loved to hear the insight on everything.

[@CthulhuMasta]

Only about halfway through the video, this has probably been the most entertaining speedrunner vs hunters so far. Great video, amazing traitor antics from blue, love seeing early claw.

[@twild2750]

Love the editing on this, it makes everything so clear ❤

[@Snail_Lord75]

This is the first new fireborn vid that has come out since I started watching him so that’s cool

[@MeLikezToast]

This was great to watch. Crazy how knowledgeable yall are

[@xavierfirefly2382]

I love watching these no matter the outcome they're always so much fun. If you want to add VS/Fireball or whatever to hunters maybe consider granting soul only from making room transitions or only being able to use the spell after going through a certain number of transitions. I don't know how hard that would be to code but it might help encourage movement from hunters so they don't end up staying in one place for too long. And then maybe rather than hints for hunters, you could setup something to allow the traitor to more directly help confuse others/alert the speedrunner. Perhaps you could add something that lets them pickup fake items or interact with levers that don't exist? Or make it so that transitions have markers for rooms with people in them? Not really sure. Thanks for the laughs and tense moments!

[@codybrown7959]

I never watched Hollow Knight before yoir initial Imposter video, but after seeing that one I was hooked. Needless to say, I was thrilled when I saw that you uploaded a second one! Thank you!

[@elaynedorthenel2810]

I love the traitor format, and I loved how proactive Blue was. Great video, very entertaining.

[@unhingeDoor]

very fun as always! I feel like the traitor info might actually make it a little harder at times because knowing an area is a little harder than it should be without full knowledge might make the hunter a little gun shy, when normally you poke and prod and get a fuller picture of what risks to take.

[@Strawberr1Milkshake]

hahaha I actually really appreciate you adding in a buffer area so people can't spoil themselves!! I've a really bad habit of checking the timeline (even though part of the fun is not being sure??? smh my head idk why im like this) so it's awesome to have that barrier there. Plus it's just really nice to hear your own thoughts on the run, instead of JUST the group reaction!

[@montybowman6245]

i love the insight at the end aswell as the anti spoiler thing where you didnt put it into the timeline PLEASE do more of these (or post the other runs where the hunters played as the speedrunner on like a second channel or smth)

[@momsaccount4033]

I love that fire credits the music. Not sure if he does this for all of his videos but I greatly appreciate it here

[@enigmaanonymous7161]

Don't know if you will see this, but you could make the lifelines an arrow that points towards your location. Like, if you are in fungal wastes and the hunter that uses the lifeline is in greenpath, it will be pointing in your direction relative to the hunter that used it. It could also be given to all the hunters so that they could try and triangulate your position, or you could only give it to one of the hunters so that way they would have to discuss who should use it. There is also the option of including a distance from the hunter to you, but that is something that may be a bit too strong.

[@MagicianVVVV]

Unironically, giving all the hunters 'tasks' might be a pretty good idea, something like three bosses to beat or specific pickups to 'grab', and if they haven't done all their tasks when they kill fire then he doesn't lose and respawns instead. It forces the hunters to go to specific parts of the map and lowers the stacks in the early game

[@flockofwingeddoors]

that was an INCREDIBLE video. The best one so far. Every time the traitor did a big swing I was on the edge of my seat. Dream Nail is such a crazy bottleneck

[@meecal]

The editing on these videos get better and better! I'll look forward to the next one!

[@ReflexRune]

This was a really entertaining video, and solid music choices too!

[@FallenVessel-HK]

It feels like you are watching a movie when you are watching fireb0rns sppedrunner vs hunters

[@Clammychow]

58:49 skurry collab?

[@LegoGeneralGrievousiscoolio]

The editing in this one was really good, definitely one of my all time fav

[@jemmerl]

I hope you do more of these!! Theyre sooo much fun to watch

[@somethingnormal9630]

by far my favorite “hollow knight speed runner vs hunter” variant so far, would love to see more of it in the future!

[@daviddavidsson6243]

Please do more traitor games! They’re so fire 😂

[@AngieJoy28]

Traitor hunt is by far my favorite of your SRvH videos! The suspicion and sabotage is so much fun.

[@vorpal_exe]

I'm loving this new format honestly, is very engaging and fun to watch