FIRST DRIVE AFTER DELETE 5th Gen Cummins review (sound, fuel milage, power)

[@darkirondiesel]

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[@Nosweatinthearctic]

Would the delete kit work with 2024 model?

[@darkirondiesel]

No you would need the kit for the 2022-2024 Ram which requires a new ecm. Here is the link shrsl.com/4ke04

[@nagazinafireworks7594]

@@darkirondiesel Why so much for a 24 vs a 2019?

[@gibsonrocker17]

It's always great to see a Cummins the way it's supposed to be! Sounds great and I'm sure the owner will be super satisfied with the increased reliability and fuel mileage. I love that FCA is now sending out notices for the 67A recall for the PCM because of the fine against Cummins. I know most owners will absolutely be throwing that notice into the trash heap, where it belongs. Owners would be wise to never take their trucks back to the dealer at this point, because you know they'll perform that update while it's in for service and I'm sure it's really going to choke down the engine even more.

[@TreeFeller4Life]

I love this body style. It looks like a brand new version of the early 3rd gen trucks (02-05)

[@aaronsprague5158]

Couldn’t agree more

[@charlesemenaker7779]

While doing the delete it might also make sense to replace the grid heater (aka intake system) which is known to melt a bolt and drop into the intake. The pieces end up in the # 6 cylinder and catastropihic engine failure.

[@christiandulaney1638]

100% agree. Im a "shade tree" mechanic, not as good as this guy, but Im my circle, its pretty much required to address the grid heater.

[@andrewsolis2988]

I just looked into Diesel Dudes delete kit for my 24 F250. They're kit without stainless piping, without a tip and just downpipe back was pretty much $4500. The same kit at Elite Diesel WITH a full stainless exhaust turbo back and a 7" tip, same tuner, same EGR delete with bypass was $3800. Don't get ripped off peeps!

[@Recon-xm8vi]

2019 3500 6.7 HO, with Aisin trans. 44,000miles and guess what??? DEF Reservoir/Pump went out. $750 for parts and ??? for labor. "F" THAT! For under $2k - No more emissions repairs... Ever!

[@Carado5150]

That's cheap.

[@agreat8745]

I deleted my '21 2500 using your other videos as guides. Thank You!! It took me 3 days lol, but I'm old and I did it outside.

[@darkirondiesel]

Glad it helped!

[@EnduroTrails71]

I’ve got a 21 2500 and considering a delete. Which exhaust did you get? I’m concerned about the “drone “ people talk about and definitely don’t want that when pulling the camper. Thanks

[@agreat8745]

I'm not sure what happened, but I sent a long reply and it disappeared. I used a 4" full exhaust with muffler. There is minimal cabin noise, and only under load. Use the paddle shifter to find the sweet spot when you're towing and you're all set. @@EnduroTrails71

[@tonyboneize]

@@EnduroTrails71notice he didn’t reply

[@Fitter4life]

@@EnduroTrails71I’ve got a 16 6.7 with Flo pro 5” straight pipe. Definitely has drone at certain rpm’s. wouldn’t suggest for pulling. Don’t get my wrong I love it and get tons of smiles per gallon. But I’d recommend 4” with a muffler

[@dshudson]

I went from 16mpg to 24mpg on my 19 3500 dually with this kit

[@troymunsch8244]

Any trouble with the tuner?

[@dshudson]

@@troymunsch8244 zero issues

[@nickvickers2700]

Truck runs well on the tune??

[@omorin34]

Welcome to the team. I swapped out my gauge cluster for a gas one so I didn't see the stupid DEF gauge anymore. You can make $ on the switch, Diesel clusters go for more.

[@eddiewillers1]

But what about the tach? A gasser tach goes up to 8k, with a redline at 6k.

[@darkirondiesel]

Also interested in this

[@omorin34]

​@eddiewillers1 True. The tach works normally. Just a lot of unused space.

[@stgraves260]

Man my 2005 Cummins with 35” tires gets 28 mpg. If it had the 6spd auto or even that 8spd auto would be freaking awesome!!! Nice video.

[@lyledeckert365]

Pick up my 22 duramax tomorrow after its delete. I’m an old guy so I just got the 45hp upgrade that comes with the delete. But the have a tune that ties into the steering wheel buttons and shows on your dash screen.

[@DirectCurrent4u]

Super nice work Kyle! It sounds just like my 05 3rd gen with the 5inch exhaust. Really appreciate your knowledge and all your Cummins content!👍

[@darkirondiesel]

Thank you!

[@marrag1]

Emissions on a diesel truck should be illegal, periodt!

[@Justthemow]

The truth is the epa and the federal government want diesels to be less efficient also they should be able to run on peanut oil like they were intended but they (the government) won’t get their road taxes

[@killmeslowly0029]

Exactly!!

[@VernBigDaddy]

The carbon footprint of refining gasoline is so much worse than diesel fuel. Diesel should be exempt just on that positive alone.

[@ricknielsen3660]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@jedvaulten02]

Emissions on a gasoline vehicle should be illegal

[@Jinzle]

I have a 2015 4th gen with the 5 inch straight pipe, but it's a 6 speed, it sounds heavenly

[@jeremynoel3088]

I had a 15 Cummins w/6 speed tuned and deleted. It sounded amazing downshifting with the exhaust break on. I didn’t have to change my breaks until about 88K miles with downshifting myself.

[@Jinzle]

@@jeremynoel3088 man I fucking love the exhaust brake lol sounds so goddam mean, I love it! Hoping for the same luck about not doing the brakes, trucks about to roll 70,000 and I’ve owned it since 48,000 and brakes looked good last oil change!

[@barrymcaulkiner]

Great video, I’m fairly certain that anytime you switch tunes the trans does a Relearn and you have to drive it nice

[@Berto-1117]

You are correct

[@WhitchurchFishing1]

I got a half million on my 2019 ram 2500 and the transmission finally went out. Putting a Jasper in it now

[@timpindell8178]

2021 6.7, guess what the engine light is on for @ 50k miles? Yeah.... thanks for sharing this and the how-to.

[@havoc7415]

Hey man 1st off I love the content! Nobody is putting out quality videos about this sort of thing for 5th gen’s. And 2nd would you ever consider making a video tuning a 5th gen with the mm3 tuner? Specifically the 2019-2022

[@daveyjones369]

Thanks for changing the units for us Americans!!! WE APPRECIATE IT

[@darkirondiesel]

No problem, Canadians are too polite to complain so this way I get no hate comments haha

[@daveyjones369]

Lol 🤣 Canadians have such nice attitudes! For the most part at least! They are all so chill! Also, I was just having fun saying what I said, because I don't care if someone doesn't change things so that "Us Americans" can understand them..

[@MaxwellRigel]

Used your video to delete my buddys '21 worked perfectly great video

[@nagazinafireworks7594]

Looking for deleting a 2024 is that possible?

[@keith3925]

Thanks Kyle, I have learned a lot just watching your videos. I had a problem like your 2022 with the limp mode and being over 2 thousand miles from home. I used diesel dudes and will be finishing up tomorrow hope all goes well. Dependability is what I am after.

[@darkirondiesel]

Just keep it in a low tune and treat the truck nice and you should have very good reliability

[@daltonwingler]

I did mine witch is a 2015 ram the 5inch sounds nice but I just did the delete pipe witch is the 4 inch straight pipe and it sound super similar but with my budget I just did the 4 inch delete pipe but I am super happy with it

[@davidparizek6741]

Kyle, that truck sounds and looks amazing, great work 👍

[@darkirondiesel]

Thank you 👊🏻

[@BobBurt-e2m]

Can you please do a video on deleting a 2023 LZ0 3.0L Duramax? Or is it possible yet?

[@yettifn5304]

Definitely want to see the 2022 Cummins just bought the kit for mine, should be getting it between December 8-15

[@darkirondiesel]

Nice man! I’ll get a video as soon as possible

[@yettifn5304]

@@darkirondiesel I appreciate it! You earned a sub.

[@yettifn5304]

@@darkirondieselAre they still governed after you tune and delete them? I can’t get mine over 103mph just curious lol.

[@ChargerusPrime]

This is why I stayed with a 2001. (55 block.) NO egr, no bullshit. But my truck also has dual 4 inch stacks outta the bed and she's MINTY. Had 180k miles on her when I bought her.

[@workplaytv]

Sounds great man! How’s the weather out there! Ground still soft here in Nova Scotia

[@darkirondiesel]

Thanks man, ya it’s very mild. No snow yet, freezing at night but hovering around 0 during the day. It’s crazy.

[@jameslowry17]

@darkirondiesel You rock brother!!! Thanks for the video and content you put out

[@michaelblackwell8184]

I have a 2016 ram 3500 dually what should it cost for a new turbo and a full delete 4” exhaust no muffler. I’m in the lower 48. Love your channel thanks.

[@nickfraser6942]

Once again I love your work..

[@stephenpetri6271]

How long do oil changes last ? What else do you do in addition to oil changes ? Are fuel additives worth it ?, or is it just a waste of money .

[@Hydecreeklogging]

Have you done a delete with the muffler option? If so how much quieter? I don't like the drone with the straight exhuast

[@raymocandler]

Ppei has transmission tuning available for the aisin now. I installed it on my 3500 ho 2 weeks ago.

[@darkirondiesel]

Emissions on or off tuning?

[@stewie84]

Average MPG should be way better. On my stock ‘22 Ram 2500 HD, I’ve noticed the regen cycles burn enough fuel to bring down my average fuel economy.

[@rwelderby]

Awesome video on installation. Just ordered my kit. Getting tired of seeing the limpmode pop up. Just went with the delete pipe intead of the full 5" pipe. Also with muffler.

[@darkirondiesel]

That will work just fine!

[@bayonne]

How much does the 4" delete pipe with muffler quiet the truck down ?? I need to keep mine as quiet as possible.

[@TheProchargedmopar]

Awesome you did the MPGs. Thanks 👍💪. About what my 08 gets cleaned up.

[@jayroberts8297]

My 08 is at 13-14 😅 definitely need to get on deleting.

[@SUBI_PaT]

🔥🔥🔥🔥 AMERICA Kyle killing it as always loving the channel as always man I hit the diesel dudes up talked to cole dude is great and so very knowledgeable awesome stuff my dude.

[@darkirondiesel]

Dope man! Thanks for the love

[@SUBI_PaT]

@darkirondiesel no problem brother appreciate you and your channel my dude.

[@jlarkins82]

I own a 2020 2500 6.7 mega cab. emissions deleted at 50k and stage 3 ats 68 rfe was required at 70k. i haul a 40 ft 5th wheel across the country and through the rockies those 20k miles on 100 hp 150 hp tune. save for the trans after the emeissions delete and tune its the next week point. 16k installed. its a whole other animal after. takes a bit for the trans to learn the shift pints even with the co pilot trans tune you cant tune. holds a gear longer up and down and has an amazing tow mode and exhaust brake thatll stop a train. headbolts..banks intake setup and 5 inch exhaust with ats stage 2 turbo are next. 600 hp or so with 1300 ft lbs right now.

[@leechavero7770]

will be ordering a kit in a month or 2 for my 2019

[@WillyPanama]

Have you thought about using cetane booster to increase MPGs? Also, great videos

[@gadsdenconsulting7126]

Where can one find the power levels for eqch setting on this tune???

[@johnh8536]

Can’t wait for all my goodies to arrive!

[@lonestarcummins08]

What’s the most fuel efficient tune for a Cummins?

[@ifweweresmart]

Ever had Any problems with the hydraulic lifters since deleting?

[@Rhino5.0]

There’s a new tune for the DEF gauge

[@AndTodaysProjectIs]

Thanks so much for posting this video! Just picked up the kit for a 2017 3500 DRW LB but unfortunately I have the 3.42 rear end so I'm nervous about the transmission holding up. 100k miles on the truck pre-surgery. At 10:20 you start discussing the "easy rolling" into passing a vehicle. Is this basically all I can do to keep my transmission for as long as possible or are there other things I might be able to do to protect it? I do know the previous owner and he babied it as well (stock daily driver, 5k oil changes etc). I'm a feather foot myself and just want fuel economy and reliability out of this kit. Besides how can I best protect or baby the tranny question...with the EZ link what is my best tune going to be for hauling 5k lbs in the bed around flat lands and through mountains? It's a Lance 1172 slide-in truck bed camper and she is a big beast. On my order, Unfortuantely I did not receive my 4" muffler that I ordered...just two 4" straight pipe sections so I have to call TDD on Monday.

[@kylehiggins447]

Hey Kyle. My gdp instructions show the purple wire in the middle. Did your wire orientation work. My switch doesn't feel like its working

[@lucasmancini7415]

Great info. Along with the installation video prior to this one. Thanks!

[@darkirondiesel]

Thanks!

[@GripItNRipIt82]

Has anyone had any 68rfe issues after this kit was installed?

[@mrh0wler353]

Three more mods! Easy; install a Banks Pedal Monster. Hard; get rid of the grid heater. Not too bad; install a stainless two tube from one intake horn (low bucks).

[@TheIncredibleHoosier]

Awesome job my friend! 🤙

[@sickmansgas483]

So if I have an 07 6.7 Cummins, I’d I’ve to drive it kinda easy if I switch from an Eco tune to performance or race tune to let the transmission remap??

[@Bubba_MB]

I'm going to delete my 21 cummins. My question is with all the emissions shit. And the heat. After I delete can I put a baffle muffler on it? After removing dpf. The heat from regular muffler should not be an issue? And I don't care about the hp gain i wana save my 68 and I dont want smoke. Do they have lesser tunes ??

[@noahdiaz6911]

Do I need trans works or head studs when using more hp??

[@aladin_ko]

Where can I find delete kit and tune for Ram 2023 Ecodiesel ?

[@stephenadkinson2486]

I did that to mine but I might have to put a muffler on mine. With the camper or tractor as a load it can get a little loud

[@justinschuler3252]

How do you pass emissions once you delete?

[@DustinHalbrooks]

You don't.

[@svitozar8618]

What to do: 1. Pass emissions. 2. Delete your diesel. What not to do: 1. Delete your diesel. 2. Pass emissions.

[@mikefrench3800]

Didn't know you could legally delete these engines! I would love to do it

[@moderndayhawaiian8214]

Badass!! I got that exact truck gonna get my kit from those guys too 🤙🏽

[@darkirondiesel]

Sweet man! Use my link if you can, I get a little commission

[@davidpruittmusic]

Question : I have deleted my 2021 the same, but curious about the pedal monster? I haven't thought about the throttle response as being an issue, but from.what I've read, these things make a night and day difference. Have you used these, and would you recommend?

[@juliovalencia256]

Pedal monster is what it sounds like it’a monster , the throttle response is like if it’s deleted and it has various settings

[@davidpruittmusic]

@@juliovalencia256 yeah, I've heard good things. I just wasn't sure if it's a valuable upgrade to a truck that's already deleted. Would you say it's worth it?

[@Diesel1974]

It's like a whole different truck

[@stepheniavarone9836]

Hello how is the trans shifting is the truck shift flareing?

[@wakmstakmdan8314]

I have the same truck….and wanted to delete it (as mpg are main concern). My mileage is as good or better than your results, not sure why but may hold off for now. As for sound…I could care less what others hear or think.

[@darkirondiesel]

Where I live most people delete to increase reliability. It’s pretty typical to have a emission system component fail every winter, with lengthy downtimes. Hell, the dealerships where I live tell the customers to just delete their trucks.

[@wakmstakmdan8314]

@@darkirondiesel prior to the 2019 ram , I had a 2009 which was awesome, no freaking def, more reliable, better mileage and even though they SAY the 2019 has more torch….bs! I Boat weighs 10,000 pounds and I get 9.5 mpg now and 13 with other truck. I do appreciate your videos, well done, I wish I had some of your mechanical skills

[@23cummins68rfe]

is it worth deleting your truck when new an void warranty or wait till truck is passed a certain milage like 50k km or more ?

[@piperdoug428]

Yeah i had a brand new def pump take a dump and my exhaust brake turbo ate crap at 120,000 km

[@WongGame727]

My 21 is deleted with the trans tune. I was told my 86RFE won’t hold together very long with hard pulls. Any thoughts??

[@brettstevens420]

do you have an update on this kit, is it all working well still?

[@darkirondiesel]

Yup still working great

[@brettstevens420]

@@darkirondiesel would you be interested in taking an all expenses paid trip to Vegas?

[@nomadbiker4040]

You have the stock downpipe? A 5 inch turboback is a lot louder

[@edfarley4560]

certainly makes my old 2006 3500 worth a fortune! Thank you Ram and government for fking up the new Ram

[@charlesalag7]

have you done a trans tune on this yet?

[@nathanwimsatt9438]

I previously had a 5th gen gasser 2500 Loved that truck, as it was a daily driver. Mostly city type driving with occasional highway. I have been thinking about getting back into a 5th gen Ram 2500, but was looking at these diesels because they can be had used for a decent price. Obviously a full delete is the way to go, but does the delete make the truck a bit more reliable of a daily, non highway, little towing driver?

[@darkirondiesel]

Ya I would say the delete makes them more reliable as long as you don’t install a really high hp tune and bag drive it

[@nathanwimsatt9438]

@@darkirondiesel I definitely would be doing any high HP tune, etc.. Only reason I would want to diesel over the gasser is fuel economy and longevity. I have just always read that doing shorter drives without many long highway driving hurts the diesel engine. But then again, I dont think we talking deleted and tuned trucks. So I was curious if that was more the fault of the emissions trash systems that are on the trucks

[@jodymarz2768]

What do you think about deleting a 2020 International MV 607SBA 6.7ISB WITH VGT. its a Nexus 35 ft RV build.

[@nolanparish5018]

What are your shift points after deleting? To me after deleting it seems to shift early unless I make it run up to 2,000 ish RPMs. At lower speeds it’s still trying to get into 6th gear as fast as it can without (to me) the appropriate RPMs. It seems like it’s shifting passed off speed and not RPMs. Would another relearn help and just start and stop as much as possible and try to keep it at lower speeds? Thanks for the help

[@CraigOgamus]

You broke your truck good job

[@dominicfisher2649]

How are the tunes from them? Do they work pretty decent? Thinking about getting them. Do they do trans tuning?

[@darkirondiesel]

Tunes are great, and yes If you have the 68rfe it comes with trans tuning.

[@destnotknown]

Looking for some 3rd gen ecodiesel love if it exist.

[@MrPatrickdanysh]

Keep em coming. Do you have a video for a 2018 cummins?

[@darkirondiesel]

Coming next weekend! Turn on notifications so you don’t miss it 👊🏻

[@danieldaubman289]

Is there a way with the ez lynk instead of having the def gauge empty you can have it read full?

[@darkirondiesel]

You would have to contact the tuning company (in this case GDP) and ask if they can write you new tunes that make it read full instead of empty. They should be able to as far as I know.

[@Ladder11-xf2dz]

There is not. I have the same truck with the same kit. I asked there tech line that question.

[@scottchristensen9718]

It would be nice if the def gauge showed what position the switch was on. Empty for 1, 1/4 for 2, etc...

[@Dynarider91]

The Tunes on the Raceme Ultra has the DEF gage read full.

[@brettnorthamflyingn9474]

What about All the fines impounds and expenses to put it back stock?

[@darkirondiesel]

Don’t do it if you live in an area where it’s illegal and that does emission testing

[@DeterminedBeast]

i enjoyed this video, subbed

[@darkirondiesel]

Thanks buddy

[@highspeedhayden]

How much was the total cost for everything done in this video?

[@darkirondiesel]

Link is in description man, just that kit and nothing else

[@coryburt16]

the tuning on that doesn't take care of def guage/warning light? i just deleted my 19 cummins with the kit from dirty diesel customs. i just did the single tune on the efi live tuner rather than the multiple with selector knob but the tune has my def level at 100% so no dash lights on. having that on would drive ne nuts lol

[@darkirondiesel]

There’s no dash lights on what are you talking about?

[@coryburt16]

@@darkirondiesel my bad, just went back and looked. may have mistaken the light showing exhaust brake on with the low def light

[@jjarredondo6130]

I straight piped my 96 ram 6bt and instant power gain😅

[@Gotdam]

love the videos... hows the drone with a full 5 in pipe? I have a g56 with a 5in and 30 in resonator. Thinking of just going full straight pipeski

[@nomadbiker4040]

A lot of drone around 1800-2200 rpm

[@jessejames8843]

So I'm definitely thinking about deleting my 2020 Ram 2500 this coming Monday due to the Def service See Dealer light coming up twice on me while on a family road trip off the grid, definitely not cool

[@jessejames8843]

Will deleting avoid the truck going into limp, thanks in advance Lots of good advice brother

[@darkirondiesel]

Yes and even if the truck goes in limp mode as soon as you tune it with this tuner it will erase the codes and take it out of limp mode.

[@edt689]

Cool there able to tune it as well 👍 .Got my tuning from Raceme Canada on my 19 ram HO and there tuning is good too.after tuning I notice Def fluid guage says its full reading and still was able to tune it after the latest update after the dealer swap my cp4 to cp3 but you have to let them know if ur truck has latest software update .but be aware only raceme Canada is legit . The one from somewhere from Europe I've been hearing some negative things about them

[@be.exploring]

Going through the different tunes on the SOTF, should you let the aisin trasnmission re learn/ adjust for a while as well or can you freely change between tunes and get into power without hurting anything?

[@darkirondiesel]

Always better to let it relearn a bit but most guys don’t. The main thing is ease into the throttle, never punch it wide open, that’s a tranny killer

[@boompa8267]

I think you said you had a 2019. Did you do anything with the CP4? I am thinking about a CP3 upgrade, and I am trying to find out information about the S&S CP3 conversion but am unsure what exactly has to be tuned once swapped. Any thoughts? Love your brevity and tech know how.

[@jman71890]

Get it replaced per the recall

[@johnmcardle5967]

I call it RED tune... reliability, efficiency, and durability that's all you need.

[@kilroywashere9678]

I just tuned my 07 6.7, totally different truck.

[@timdaniels3238]

Very well done video!!! Thank you

[@zachgixxer]

What tunes are you running on this truck?

[@JoneZz423]

Do a 2021+ 6.7 power stroke next!

[@darkirondiesel]

I’ll get one in the shop

[@nicknemeth3929]

I’m looking at a 5th gen 3500 single wheel but not sure which transmission. Will the aisen trans ever be tune able ?

[@darkirondiesel]

Yes I think In the future it will be tuneable.

[@austinsaltsman-gl6zv]

I’ve got a 21 ram 3500 HO w/Aisin. Do they have a tune for this tranny? If not can I still delete or will there be issues?

[@JoshuaWilliams-i1j]

Does the exhaust brake stay on when you shut the truck off and turn it back on?

[@darkirondiesel]

Yes

[@tkswift197]

Kyle, thanks for all the info. I’m running a 2017 6.7 in Ontario and just had my first DEF service scare. Cured with a recall software update. I’m after reliability only. I tow a 35ft boat twice a year and my Harley trailer down south in the winter. Empty the rest of the time. I’m running 37’s so I didn’t lift and mod the truck to worry about MPG, don’t care about that. So my question’s are…will full delete affect my trucks overall reliability? Is there a kit that leaves it “looking stock”? Is there a Diesel shop in Southern Ontario that you recommend to do the delete mod for me? I could do it but I’m semi retired and lazy now. Once again thanks for your time.

[@frogger2011ify]

I would delete personally in Canada unless you are willing to freeze every morning. The EGR only runs when the engine is below 60c you shouldn't bring your rpm over 2k until your engine is over 60c. The delete doesn't really add power. The tune does that and it does lessen the exhaust back Pressure removing the scr however the new emission systems have there flaws worked out pretty well so they don't really restrict it that much. Then the other issue is if you have a 2500 which has the 68rfe the worst tranny in existence then you are asking for trouble by upping the power if that was your concern a 3500 high output is the truck you want. Personally I think 800ftlb is a ton of torque. Pulled my 40 foot long destination unit from Ottawa to northern Alberta with no problems

[@matthewua1]

Mahalo for sharing! I have a 2019 and considering deleting it. 🤙🏼🤙🏼

[@legacyfirst]

I have a 2021 and the same diesel dudes kit….but I live in the states so it’s just sitting here and I’m still debating if I want to install it….😕

[@thiccjafar3000]

How long did it take for you to receive everything after you bought it?

[@legacyfirst]

@@thiccjafar3000 not long, maybe 10 days or so

[@tonyboneize]

Dumb question alert but I’m curious: Can you add the peddle commander to that ezlynk?

[@darkirondiesel]

Yeah you could but once you program the truck with the ez lynk you probably won’t want the pedal commander anyways because the ez lynk tunes will increase throttle sensitivity.

[@darkirondiesel]

Also that’s not a dumb question at all

[@tonyboneize]

@@darkirondieselso the EZ Lynk is basically the same as peddle commander?