FIRST DRIVE: BMW M4 CSL - £128k, 542bhp Limited Edition Tested On Track | Top Gear Speed Week 2022

This isn’t just a top-of-the-range BMW. The company has only used ‘CSL’ three times in its entire history. The CSL badge matters, and it’s reserved for deeply special cars...
The last few hardcore M cars haven’t been deemed worthy, but now BMW says the time is right for the successor to the CSL dynasty. A road car, not a track car like the recent GTS models: this is supposed to be less about lap times, and more about thrills. A 50th anniversary birthday present to the M Division, and potentially a last hurrah for the M car as we know it, before electrification invades for good.
The figures are impressive: 542bhp from a 3.0-litre 6cyl turbo makes the M4 CSL capable of 0-60mph 3.7 sec with a top speed of 190mph. But how will it perform compared to CSLs of the past, and can it live up to the badge? Here's Ollie Marriage's first drive from Speed Week 2022: Top Gear magazine's performance car mega-test.
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[@giftfrez9166]

Dear Top Gear....can only Chris Harris review performance cars...him only..only him...

[@V5869]

I STRONGLY Agree!!!

[@hjkk.4681]

Or Tiff Needell

[@V5869]

@@hjkk.4681 Oh yes! Good Call!!!

[@TheXshot]

Agreed

[@MakkyTakiStoleYourBaki]

You forgot about him and also him has a nice personality

[@KoryoJK]

The guy berates the car in the 1st half and then on the 2nd half says it’s amazing and completely says the opposite on several points he made earlier. Need Chris Harris to do these types of reviews.

[@tshepofinger9713]

True

[@MrPlum1282]

As soon as I saw it was him. I clicked off. Chris Harris please..

[@fabio2634]

Well, he says it’s amazing on track and not on the road, so not a proper csl. Can’t say if I agree, but he seems coherent to me

[@gnerd07]

low IQ take. good car. just not befitting of the CSL badge

[@neilcam]

Oh come on. If you haven't learnt that this is absolutely standard Top Gear format (Harris included) by now then you've not been watching close enough. It's either first 50% total negative, second 50% creaming their jeans over how great it is, OR the exact reverse. Predictable as the sun rising most days.

[@BMWROYAL]

Does he not realize the m2 weighs almost the same as the m4

[@DiveshRSA]

This argument of his also baffled me. It’s almost like he didn’t do his research before arriving at his conclusion 🤔

[@mohamedhossam5195]

Ignorance. This is why no one respects TG anymore.

[@heamees4822]

@@DiveshRSA He's talking about the F87 of which BMW made 1 off CSL concept, not the upcoming M2

[@yissibiiyte]

He says the M2 is lighter and should have gotten the CSL treatment....while it weighs exactly the same as the M4 😅

[@Viperjet9]

Think he meant the previous gen F87 M2

[@ScullyD-ee9jk]

The M2 CS is basically a CSL, it’s at light as you can get the car and still make it road usable. Top gear didn’t think they did enough, they just hate BMW.

[@flavourinyourear]

@@Viperjet9 the previous gen also weighed the same as the pre gen M4

[@Misanoblue]

@@flavourinyourear 1525 kg with the stupid OPF . I just removed that stupid thing and added an Akra . Now the car is at 1490kg . M2 CS , Manual , ccb . If it had a lighter seats , and battery , it could easily be at 1430kg . Thats super light for a car made in 2020. Its not heavy.

[@lewishamilton9251]

@@Misanoblue can you pass the MOT?

[@jg23xe]

Crazy to think that the E46 CSL held its own against the GT3rs at the time. This isn’t even in the same league as the equivalent 911 now…

[@patrickf2386]

It actually offers more straight line speed for pretty much half the price of a new 911 GT3...

[@e.ggamerguy5793]

@@patrickf2386 Thats just the GT3 when the GT3 RS is out CSL is DONE

[@Noise-Bomb]

@@patrickf2386 Yes but straight line speed is just nothing a gt3 rs owner would brag about ever. it's the 2.5G in the corner where it's at

[@napalmhotdog4365]

@@patrickf2386 it’s about 15 grand cheaper than a new GT3 and won’t offer that much more straight line speed. And straight line speed isn’t even remotely the point of the GT3, and in fact the CSL. This CSL is nothing compared to the current GT3

[@yeejay6396]

@@napalmhotdog4365 That's basically what Pat said but with less words...

[@mspeed2441]

I just built a regular 911, and a GT3 on the options order of the CSL: $148,000 for the 911, and $230,000 for the regular GT3. There's really no such thing as a non-purpose-built 911. Even the base 911 is designed as a pure sports car from the get-go. I'm frankly amazed that BMW can make a G20 do what the CSL does. Not matter how much $ they throw at it, it's a street car.

[@sakhilemahlalela1707]

I'm always skeptical of reviews where the journalist has opinions that are drastically different from those that other journalists seem to have. And it's odd that he goes on about the gearbox when BMW says its faster than the double clutch that was in the previous M4 GTS.. Maybe it's all in his head.

[@Chargerer]

BMW says many things but this 8speed simply doesnt downshift good enough and I know many people who thinks the same. For sports driving, previous DCT was much better.

[@danmayberry1185]

BMW used to do a few things, well. Now it does many things, with 50% success.

[@hadisidaoui5784]

On a dyno, the CSL actually makes 596 hp instead of 550 hp, & 720 Nm of Torque instead of 650.

[@chrissalimi8708]

Sooo nobody gonna talk about that loud blow off valve in the background !? 🤯

[@MurseTech64]

i4 M50 is faster. I'm struggling to see the point of this car.

[@TheG60528XiJinPing]

@@MurseTech64 The point of this car is very important, the actually of the car is completely eclipsed by the i4 M50. This needs to be much lighter. It's not even as light as the previous m4

[@jouhajohnny]

@@MurseTech64 yeah only on straight line for 0-100 then it loses and M4 CSL is way better at the track and for spirited driving…

[@BetriebAnin]

The lack of body roll is incredible for a heavy car like that.

[@theeric]

I love this M4 CSL. It's perfect 🖤🏁😎

[@khaledaborashed9392]

You never pleased either the 8 speed auto or DCT transmission were fitted. I think the BMW 8 speed is the best transmission out there.

[@chasemoneyy]

DCT is better in every way except for comfort driving on the road

[@khaledaborashed9392]

@@chasemoneyy And break down.

[@chasemoneyy]

@@khaledaborashed9392 ive had many bmw friends with 335is f80s etc and never has there been a problem with the dct. not sure where u got that from but dct is just as reliable, faster, and way more fun than any auto.

[@khaledaborashed9392]

@@chasemoneyy Well i am sure they are much more reliable than the VW group DTC transmission 😂

[@Chargerer]

Its perfect for 5 series diesel, not for M4. Previous DCT was much better.

[@TheG60528XiJinPing]

I want the 620r treatment to an m4. M4 GTS < M4 GT4 Just barely street legal, less than or close to 3300lbs, some sweet aero, now that would get my attention.

[@V5869]

DAMN, BETTER LOOK FOR A CHRIS HARRIS VIDEO!! Schizo Review Right Here!!!! It's not good enough TO --> We Loved it!! And ZF 8 speed in my 4 is damn good, I need a trust-worthy motor journalist's opinion instead of a team of writers that use a PRO vs CON list. I hate it when they talk shit about a vehicle then go on to say how much fun it was to drive. Independent Journalists are so much better

[@giftfrez9166]

For real..top gear need to assign Chris for performance cars

[@ndj4267]

@@giftfrez9166 Chris Harris did not like the ZF8 either, too slow compared to M-DCT of F8x.

[@HazardousChild]

Doesn’t CSL stand for Competition Sport Lightweight Where’d this guy get coupé from?

[@ametti000]

Honest review. But you can't take weight out of the M2 either. It's densest car in existence.

[@conormcgregor-rj5dk]

the m2 has back seats the m4 csl doesn’t

[@liberisempre]

BMW FROM 1988...ciao e liberi fino all'ultimo respiro ♾️

[@allensaunders449]

I would get a Z06 over this easy choice

[@Jinsun202]

Go buy one then.

[@ivanweapon1196]

Maybe he will . Why u sound mad bmw fangirl

[@ericship8383]

You couldn’t afford either that’s ok

[@ericship8383]

@@ivanweapon1196 the only one who’s mad is you lmao can’t afford neither car quit d riding

[@kennethporter992]

All three of you sound so childish

[@ertugrulbae46]

Yes the M3 CSL was comparable to the 911 GT3 at the time. But since then, Porsche gained about 50kg - 55kg of weight. While BMW gained about 240kg - a quarter of a tonne. Ofcourse it's no longer comparable. M3/M4 was forced to go down the autobahn blitzer road (no pun intended), as the competitors from Mercedes and Audi are in that straight line performance sector too. Hence why the M4 CSL has WAY more bhp than a 911 GT3 and even GT3 RS. its a tad under 600bhp on the dyno. Officially 543. While Porsche does 502bhp. With the RS doing 518bhp. To put into perspective..that's barely any more than previous gen C63 AMG. The 0-60 times reflect this too as the other Germans are around 3.3 - 3.5s. While porsche is around 3.9s. In other words it would kill the Porsche in a drag race as that's what it's supposed to do. Even supercars would have a run for their money as its older brother, the M5 is a literal super car killer. Porsche has the advantage on track. The current M4 CSL therefore isn't a downgrade. The M3 CSL was simply punching way above its weight as a family saloon car platform, competing with a sports car platform both on track and on the straight. But you can argue..for that reason, does it really deserve the "L" in CSL? No it doesn't. It should have been a "CS". The "L" was marketing tactics.

[@ertugrulbae46]

Limited production model, CSL badge.. Its an appreciating asset and a valuable investment

[@christianbolt5761]

Having a e46 M3, I still wish it was lighter, tighter, and faster. Seeing what they did with the M4 CSL, I’m in agreement with the review. Instead of the CSL I would buy an M4 Competition with x drive and modify that.

[@gansior4744]

second I hear Chirs Harris isnt doing the review, im closing the video- always

[@nahidrahman]

I thought CSL stood for Competition Sport Lightweight, at the top of the the hierarchy with CS (Competition Sport) and Competition below it? Although in the case of the M4, CSL stands for Marketing Exercise…

[@Misanoblue]

Lightweight is subjective i believe .. what was light 50 yrs ago ? 700-800kg ? What was light 20 yrs ago? 1400kgs ? Well , thats what light is in 2022.. much more tech , bigger cars , safer cars .. its subjective . But i get your point , i hoped they did a better job with that one tho..

[@silverathlon]

You are correct. It is Competition Sport Lightweight and not Coupe. Top Gear needs to do a bit more research before presenting.

[@diltd3989]

@@silverathlon e9 csl - the very first csl and a homologation car at that it stood for coupe sport lightweight

[@silverathlon]

@@diltd3989 correct but in this context it's competition.

[@chawenhalo0089]

Absolutely bang on! Ollie is 100% correcto-mundo: wrong car BMW. What is it with beemer being consistently way off the mark for the last 10 yes?! This M4 drives awesome, imagine what they could have done with the Z4 or M2?

[@e2rqey]

The whole company vision is split between the traditionalists and the electric vehicle people. The whole i series basically took significant resources from the more traditional BMW development and they still haven't unified on a company wide vision. They are going to be designing all their vehicles to support both ICE and electric power-trains. Which is probably going to be a disaster tbh.

[@carlwedderkopp4710]

the color 🤩

[@leighandrews8863]

So many things wrong in this review its unbelievable. The CSL engine is based on the GT4 engine not the standard road car, the head is different and is 3D printed because of the complexity of the oil and water ways. The wheels, exhaust, and seats are bespoke to the CSL and can't be ordered for the standard M3/4. The £300 heritage badges, includes the wheels, bonnet and boot. The traction control has 10 settings, and 5 of these are pro settings not available in the standard car. I do agree the DCT would have been nice, but even that would need better gear changes as the M2 Comp I had the DCT had its issues.

[@jasoniannone9675]

Remember when light cars were light? More Evora, T.50, and Speirling and fewer monsters covered in "light" badges. All these manufacturers doing Ronnie Coleman impressions need to get with the program. Imagine the 1600KG M4 CSL in an actual light spec.

[@STAG162]

did they put a mic down near the gearbox, or is that the normal *thud* sound for every upshift (in the cabin)? I can imagine if it were being driven as a "road car first", it'd get fairly tiresome.

[@V5869]

BMW's ZF give a little FART on Up-Shifts in Sport+ mode

[@888mf4]

I have owned an E30 M3 Sport Evo and an E46 CSL and both were exciting to drive and very LIGHT. This new M4 CSL is too heavy to wear that CSL badge. Why didn't they bring out an M2 CSL?

[@blacktalonsport1262]

I've always felt like the G82 is too big of a car to be a coupe. Love the size a G80 though. F82 was the best size for an M4 in my opinion.

[@Sir-Kay]

It's more powerful and got loads of torque, ever since the E90 gen, BMW lost me with the body, I'm still feeling the engines though.

[@fredc9655]

Current M4 and M2 are both too heavy to deserve the CSL badge, should let CSL be a standalone model.

[@Deann-187]

, . This must be the cut up clip surely , Chris would given the serial number on the axles and All that good stuff

[@leolopez626]

The new M2 is built on the same platform as the M3/M4 and weighs practically the same did he do any research 😂

[@Misanoblue]

Obviously he meant the first generation M2 , since at the time of filming this video , the G87 M2 wasnt even released.

[@lewishamilton9251]

@@Misanoblue when was this filmed

[@leolopez626]

@@Misanoblue they did what they could with that platform with the M2CS which was the pinnacle of that platform imo

[@jaysaw6472]

looking sick

[@lebassdesign4850]

And I’m being sick 🤮

[@ilya4759]

Why is there an identity question? It is clearly a track focused M4 designed to boost the M4 badge. The Germans don't expect you to order one unless you were looking to modify your standard M4 anyways.

[@kwiki1988]

You are saying that it has Cup 2 Rs, but on video is 4Ss

[@Revheadrev]

You can see the moment Ollie gets the CSL - and it’s once he starts ragging the daylights out of it.

[@mikelyon5595]

The review might be better if you don't constantly berate the car at the beginning of said review! I'm not a fanboy. I don't like what they've done to the grill. But I know it's a capable car!

[@kyle_advance]

For the price, I can buy an M2 competition, remove the backseat, then add a roll cage if I wanted, better suspension, brakes, more power, and still be under what the M4 CSL would cost.

[@jamesclery9809]

Owned an E46 CSL. Was light, and benefits over the standard car were engine mods and intake in carbon etc. don’t see the CSL is reborn here. Devalues the CSL moniker I feel.

[@casey2732]

The last proper M4s were F82 M4CS and GTS, wonderfully looking, DCT and weight around 1500kg, CSL is all about the power and it's heavy like a bus. Can't see anything special about this car with exception of price of course 😂 Great review!

[@THELOF1]

I agree it’s too heavy. They didn’t go far enough on the weight reduction. Why no option for carbon fiber wheels? Light weight glass. Carbon fiber drive shaft. M4 GTS door cards etc.

[@homiefizzle5260]

Um... Those were the first M4s 😂😂 so yes it would be the last M4s as well.

[@joelg34]

I own an M4 CS in San Marino Blue with all the toys inc CC Brakes, and I wouldn't swap it for one of these.

[@Gaming_kids699]

We need Chris to review this car the guy who reviewed it did not do justice he complained about the weight and then said it's not the weight it's the front-end grip, look we know the car is heavy but even a normal m4 which is heavier is having enough power to deal with the weight even the suspension is amazing and incase you don't want to take my word for it watch Chris harris review of the m3

[@markonastov8918]

This does not deserve the CSL badge.

[@e.ggamerguy5793]

True, ugliest car to revive a great name

[@oftengone]

TG I appreciate the honesty in this

[@ESWATzero]

You don’t need to listen this guy review, just watch this car and enjoy

[@gp9112]

BMW M4 GTS is with no doubt BMW’s Ultimate track car!!

[@bengriffin5146]

2:00 dude the m2 is as heavy as the m4. Some journalism there huh

[@arnsteinholm7372]

Take it to Nurburgring so we can see your skills there with this machine .... should go under 7 min. on a lap I guess with a skilled driver - and with a proper wing wow you can absolutely go under 7 min

[@peterbennpan7288]

Would love to be a car journalist but I cannot drive & talk at the same time........🤣

[@bmwonlooker]

*Dream car* 😇💙

[@TheG60528XiJinPing]

Dream better

[@Devin.Kurant]

We will never see the weight savings the previous M models possessed. With heavy dual clutch systems and clunky driver assisted firmware it's technically impossible until a new lightweight carbon graphene matrix composite is used.

[@onoolapoabodunde]

This car is handsome

[@nkosiphilempofu3798]

I can’t wait for this to go down in value so I can just look on auto trader how much it costs hoping I can afford it but knowing I can’t

[@abanfi01]

As good as it is beautiful

[@markziff7234]

Still hate that front end!

[@ChazM535i]

Doesn't seem to know if he's reviewing an M3 or and M4.

[@mohamedhossam5195]

I'm sorry but the first half of this review doesn't make any sense and has nothing to do with the truth. The CSL on the road feels completely different to an M4C. It feels more urgent and lighter. I'm not sure if the reviewer drove an M4C recently.

[@robbyk5266]

Someone didn't do thier research for this video..... The C stands for competition not coupe!! So that would suggest Track first road second, which is straight from the press release .... They also neglected to mention it's pumping 70hp and 100NM more than the standard m4, and that he 100kg weight loss is compared to the m4 competition, not the standard m4. He also says M3 twice in his comparison comments, which is poor editting.

[@abdullahbinmadhi8306]

sry for that money i would take lotus emira, and have some extra cash to modify if desired

[@nicolagaldi1442]

Bmw Power 🔥

[@G82_M]

Everyon hates the ZF over the DCT. I wonder why the M4 GT3 uses the ZF gearbox 🤔

[@ndj4267]

Because BMW wanted to justify that cost cutting measure. Racers complain about the new gearbox constantly, go search M240R Sachs performance zf8, watch their vids.

[@faizelwaggie1230]

I think it can battle a STD GT3 hand down..... Lets wait on the GTS to take the battle to the next level

[@gobinduppal4429]

There won’t be a gts.

[@poizonfreak9967]

I thought it was Club Sport not Coupe Sport.

[@EDGEDAZZA]

Worst thing about the old CSL is that its an auto... and they do it again!

[@SLO722]

It's impossible to fit a DCT into the transmission tunnel without widening it and having the most of the engine hung far in front of the front axle.

[@EDGEDAZZA]

@@SLO722 should be a manual

[@ndj4267]

@@SLO722 Total BS. F10 M5, F8x M2/3/4 all had M-DCT. Stop spreading misinformation.

[@SLO722]

@@ndj4267 I’m talking about the current M cars. They all have a 8-speed automatic gearbox.

[@HTH88]

Great review. Someone that opens up about the pros and cons! Agree BMW should have applied the CSL formula to the M2. Missed this opportunity with the F87. Can’t apply this to the G87 M2 considering it looks like Lego and it’s heritage starts in Mexico 🇲🇽 😅

[@rogeranderson1744]

more than the average man can afford - well done

[@homiefizzle5260]

It's not made for the average man, that's the point... Get a corolla if you want an every man's car

[@rogeranderson1744]

@@homiefizzle5260 well thanks for that in-depth insight

[@kwakka636]

Or women , remember we are in a politically correct era now tutt tutt 😂

[@jean_mora]

Do a head to head against the alfa romeo GTA

[@gp9112]

There is no replacement for the BMW M GTS till now

[@sirwal5076]

Will be interesting how many people can afford a £128k m4 aka 500 whatever bhp

[@jamesmksmith]

ZF box is why I'll probably never go another M car (have an M2 Comp atm). Drove the new G Series M4 Comp - the box is uneventful, boring.

[@Slingsshootingandcamping]

Can we please have someone decent to review this please

[@porscherain]

Thank you Top Gear for remaining objective and calling a pig a pig. BOOO BMW

[@cbarronie2361]

Too big, too heavy & too expensive! Just becoming silly limited edition trinkets/investment opportunities for the mega rich.

[@funnychannelq8209]

It would be better if u had bring a GR86

[@skullft7731]

I imagine the reason for giving the new M4 the CSL treatment was to up the appeal of the whole package. Make some people forgive how ugly it is because it’s shape now holds the latest legendary CSL badge.

[@Schmitzelhaus]

Yep, all you gotta do these days is to heavily limit production artificially and people will pay ANY price for it and store them away to make even more money with it. These aren´t cars for true car enthusiasts and they were never meant to be. They´re basically just art collectibles at this point.

[@imperator6253]

Give me amg clk black series

[@pirdah1336]

Its a good buy. Add all the carbon fiber to a GT3. Add 100K market adjustment and this will seem like a bargain. Its will also holds its value and likely appreciate better then GT3 due to very limited numbers. Sorry the haters know they have no access to this car. This was a bad biased review. I guess Top gear doesn’t care about comprehensive reviews now.

[@robertroccii7117]

Amazing good looking car but too heavy for the Racetrack. I think an Porsche GT4RS or GT3RS is better for Trackies. The BMW M4 CSL is mor the GT. For the German Autobahn you have the Power and a wonderful Body from the Car. Dreamcar for me.

[@floridamankyle5461]

The CSL is not extreme enough, it's too slow, too MEH, it needs more power (550hp), it needs less weight (-300kg) but keep the looks, it needs to be on par with a Porsche 992 GT3.

[@jouhajohnny]

CSL actually haves just under 600hp when dynoed

[@aaaaachew]

I remember an interview BMW’s head of m gave about 5 years ago when he left for Kia, saying BMW have shifted Ms focus from engineering to marketing because they had cut the engineering division and increased the marketing division. This could be the result of that.

[@DnyBy811]

Is it just me or does anyone else hear this weird “thump/thud” sound when he shifts gears?

[@DanRedBullRacing]

1:31 don't you mean regular M4. 🙄🙄🙄

[@999catz]

precisely m2 Csl would have made more sense.

[@serickson7094]

Can you afford one?

[@Clubber81]

They should have given it a party trick. An airbox, a unique driving mode, special exhaust etc. Something unique to the CSL. This looks like a M3 csl wannabe, lazy effort parts bin M car. And to sacrifice the CSL badge for this is a missed opportunity

[@lewishamilton9251]

why are these so heavy

[@bri1042]

Why is the Mustang GT 350 or Mach 1 so heavy? Why are the RS5 and the C63S (v8 version) so heavy? Because cars have all gotten heavy with safety requirements, equipment choices, and size. Few cars in the 188 to 192 inch length range are particularly light. Nothing added to a car platform is free of a weight penalty,

[@mikeh.748]

Well said. What hasn't grown in weight and size? Think of this for a minute.......take a M4 CSL, GT350, and a M2 CS. What's the smallest, lightest car of the group? Easy, an M2CS. What has the slowest Nurburgring lap time? An M2CS. And what has the fastest. We all know the answer to this. I owned 2 GT350's. I own a M2CS currently. They are both very capable cars. But if I didn't know any better, I'd say this too big, too heavy of a BMW M4 CSL is laughing at them both with its middle finger up. A 7:15 or 7:20 isn't slow that's for sure. And a CSL here in the states is probably a whole lot easier to get your hands on compared to a GT3 or ZO6 too! 😂 I'm sorry folks. I'll take an Alpine White one pls. P.S. don't think I don't miss those GT350's. I do.

[@mikeh.748]

Oh and btw.......1625 kg = 3580 lbs. That's not heavy nowadays. That's M2 Comp weight. That's more then 200 lbs lighter then a GT350. Way more power then the M2Comp. Way more torque then both. That has to count for something.

[@lewishamilton9251]

@@mikeh.748 my relatively old family car weighs 1170kg wet

[@KC_24s]

He kept calling it an M3 the whole time 😂

[@e.ggamerguy5793]

Tbh this should still be the M3 the 4 door M3 should become the M4 agree?

[@falcongamer5867]

@@e.ggamerguy5793 i agree, just like the RS5 is the sedan version of the RS4 and RS7 the sedan of the RS6

[@ak_9936]

@@e.ggamerguy5793 that proper m3 you mentioned is now in the history...

[@pmtilbury6596]

Only Clarkson or Hammond could have done this justice

[@mraaron6277]

If you had £128k you had to spend on one car what you get?

[@tmjeff1220]

His argument makes no sense 🤦🏾‍♂️.

[@andybanks3042]

No idea what’s going on with BMW these days?! Just like Ford - dropping the Fiesta (which is a mistake) BMW are just whacking a CSL badge on a car which doesn’t suit the name. As he says the M2 would be epic in CSL guise. Strange decisions being made in the car world 🤔🤷🏻

[@septopus3516]

With 120k, I'll get something I can look back at as I walk away...🤢🤮

[@didonasikanjanganlewatiiklan]

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[@wesa101mapena9]

👌

[@priztucker]

You can tell its a great car but the Host is just nit picking.

[@ashproctor577]

So basically ignore what Ive just said in the first 4.39 mins of this video the car is fantastic, ok.

[@GalvatronTypeR]

I really do not understand auto journalists. Let me explain. I own a GT-R (4,000 lbs.) and a Mini Cooper (2,800). I have driven both during driving violent rainstorms with heavy crosswinds. Guess which car felt safer and more stable on the road? Guess which one felt safer when I was driving with lorries and other heavy trucks around me? Also I’ve driven a Lotus Elise and it was the most unsafe car I’ve ever driven. It felt slight and insubstantial especially at speed on the highway. So I don’t get how auto journalists are so laser focused on low weight when outside of a track, that makes no difference. For the everyday driver, weight is underrated. No they do not want 5,000 lbs. urban tanks but most drivers want a substantial car with a safe amount of weight for everyday driving. Oh and most drivers do not want Cup 2 tires that cannot grip in rain and must be replaced every 1,000 miles. Most drivers will never visit a racetrack and most owners of this new CSL will drive it on the weekends to show off on Rodeo Drive or keep it as a garage queen to flip and resell in 10-20 years. Oh and the appalling nostrils on this car are still horrifically ugly.

[@jamviator]

Since when is a CSL supposed to be a good road car? It's made for the track. The E46 CSL didn't even have A/C. You admit that this car is good on track so just say it's good and stop trying to invent criticism.