First ride in the Mercedes EQE 350 RWD ! How does the electric CLS / E-Class EV feel?

[@autogefuehl]

►Follow us on Instagram @autogefuehl and @thomas.letsgo ►Subscribe here: kzbin.info ►Check out the full Mercedes EQE briefing: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Zn7RnZtmot9msJY ►Compare the Mercedes EQS: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXzVf3aMiMmYnKM ►Compare the Tesla Model S: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZqmWhmZ-Z5p9jdE ►Compare the Porsche Taycan: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oqubk315nbaneaM 00:00 KZbin video streaming in the car 01:00 Is the EQE an electric E-Class or CLS? 04:21 Suspension details and comparison to the EQS 05:20 Acceleration EQE 350 RWD 06:26 Chassis details 07:52 Driving difference EQE vs EQS 12:03 Recuperation details 17:05 Best features? Rear-axle steering 19:03 Sound experiences 20:40 Adaptive ambient lighting 22:24 Rear-axle steering roundabout test 23:24 Do you need an EQS when you have the EQE? 25:50 Acceleration out of the corner in sport mode 28:09 Battery, efficiency, range - heat pump? 35:26 Charging 36:44 Seating comfort in AMG-Line seats #Mercedes #MercedesEQE #MercedesAMG Transparency note: Autogefühl videos are independent and free from editorial influence on opinion and rating. But since manufacturers enable us to do the reviews in the first place, for legal reasons this video is marked as _advertisement_.

[@georgejoseph3663]

ABSOLUTELY share the same view with Thomas the regen should have a pre-set and NOT Reset every time the Owner uses the car.. The head of the project should listen to their customers and to journalist who represents the users! Actively listening to these views will gain you more respect. Thank you Thomas for representing the common customer!! Plus it would be great if we could use the central screen for entertainment/ videos during charging rather than just on passenger screen..

[@autogefuehl]

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[@Kay_Emm_]

Yes absolutely! Even Honda offer you things to do while you're charging and they only have one fully electric car!

[@abraxastulammo9940]

Can't you use youtube or other video streaming via the builtin browser? How about mobile phone output/mirroring?

[@Kay_Emm_]

@@abraxastulammo9940 I believe Mercedes lets you watch KZbin via Web browser, but only using the passenger display

[@abraxastulammo9940]

@@Kay_Emm_ kzbin.info/www/bejne/inalmGSCqLuHedEm50s shows it on the main screen. Not every car has the passenger display.

[@ahmeteren4561]

It should definitely have an option to set your initial setup as you like. Just like in the case of memory seat preference…

[@jdmoney1000]

indeed

[@pivkan999]

this + there should also be an option to enable "true" one pedal driving

[@danielm9297]

Just like a Tesla

[@gerard3797]

Exactly just make it profile and key dependable.

[@BillB33525]

The one feature the Taycan is missing is keeping the last setting of the recuperation mode. My Audi etron keeps the inteligent recuperation on restart.

[@shiakas]

Mad respect to Thomas for bringing up the range issue during winter driving without a heat pump.

[@autogefuehl]

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[@updlate4756]

Yep, driving range is a huge issue for like 3-4 months of the year for the few people who take long trips in the winter and live in a cold climate. (No one in southern European regions, or the largest BEV markets in the US (California, Florida, Texas, Arizona, etc would need it) It'll add MILES!, even maybe 10s of miles of range, saving as many as 2-3 minutes to add back through DCFC. Hahah. Honestly, they could certainly make it an option, but because this is already a fairly low volume car, the economies of scale simply don't make sense. Tesla didn't even add one until they started putting it in literally every car they make, including the high volume cheaper cars. Mercedes would have to put it in every car in their lineup to make it worthwhile; but they're simply not making enough BEVs right now for it to ever be worth it. Is it a 'very' minor inconvenience on a long winter trip? Sure. Is it worth the expense and risk of it going bad... ala Tesla's heatpump issues?.... Ehhh.. probably not. It actually irks me a bit that Thomas was pestering him over this really minor and cost inefficient thing. What Thomas didn't mention is that the efficiency of the car was going to drop in the winter versus WLTP / EPA either way. The heat pump isn't gonna change that. It may mitigate SOME of the range loss, but how much exactly? Again, it's probably only in the 10-20 mile range.

[@updlate4756]

BTW, Thomas misquoted the range he got in the EQS. He said 220 miles in this video. In his last video he claimed 270 miles; confirming what Joerg claimed in this video about his own range tests during the winter. The heat pump would likely have very little impact on the vehicle's range.

[@SaraSara-kr6sp]

heat pump uses about 5 times less electricity I believe? I dont think that ads up to 10-20miles?🤔

[@updlate4756]

​@@SaraSara-kr6sp 5x = Incorrect. Bjorn did a side by side test of a model 3 with PDC heater and one with a heatpump at 3C (37F). Link below. He found that the heat pump car used a third of the energy. The PDC model 3 also used single pane glass side windows, whereas the heat pump version has double paned front side windows that retain heat better. The EQS uses double paned side windows all around (AFAIK) and has better body insulation which should reduce heat losses. Bjorn claimed that the heat pump mod3 saved 15 wh/km. Say it's only 10 wh/km in the EQS due to windows and body insulation. At 563 km (350 miles) of max range, then 10 wh/km would cost the EQS 5.6 kWh or about 29 km (18 miles). ;-) kzbin.info/www/bejne/fYPYk3iAncRondU But that isn't all... Heat pumps have two big issues. They tend to be slower to heat spaces than PDC heaters... thus jumping into your luxury car in the winter and going may take more time to heat it up with a pump; not exactly luxurious... eh? Second, their efficiency drops the colder it gets, while the PDC heater essentially stays the same. Bjorn's test was at a mild (for the winter) 3C . What if it were -18C ( 0F) . Now the PDC heater may be as efficient as the heat pump, but also faster to heat the cabin. If Merc did add a heat pump, chances are they'd also need to add a PDC heater anyways just to heat up this large car fast enough for the luxury experience.

[@tasokatsionis]

'I bought the fricking car I decide' - love it Thomas!

[@autogefuehl]

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[@abraxastulammo9940]

OBD is your friend to configure presets with VW 😉

[@confucius3697]

Simply the best and most to the point phrase in automotive journalism! We love you Thomas

[@Kay_Emm_]

Saving the last driving mode should DEFINITELY be included in the settings! I understand Mercedes' POV on what the customer might want, but more and more with electric cars we are seeing manufacturers giving the customer a great deal of choice.

[@chriss8971]

Impressive knowledge and great presentation by Thomas as always. The guy from Mercedes (apologies for not being able to make out his name) was a great guest. Really interesting video.

[@autogefuehl]

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[@scirocco1964]

Yep totally agree. Great review. And all in English. Liked the guy from Merc. I'm a Audi fan but I have to say these new Mercedes are really nice. Very impressive,

[@mattiesmash]

You're exactly right. It is extremely rare that anyone else drives my vehicle. I should have the ability to select "start up in last mode".

[@mikeicee]

LOL the real reason even all Mercedes 2010/11 up "forget" drive mode is due to gaming the MPG regulations. Its literally written in the literature which markets have the forget feature.

[@mattiesmash]

@@mikeicee I can absolutely see that.

[@autogefuehl]

It’s good point but I still do not see the difference how the driving mode would affect the efficiency because recuperation is always active

[@ikgeignirengiu]

I really appreciate the effort you're taking to bring us all types of firsts and exclusives... Personally I'd love to see more design and engineering teams interviews and insights, even over Zoom!

[@anibalasubramaniam4153]

Great question to Mercedes about the recuperation mode on startup, Thomas! I would prefer my EQS have a recuperation setting in the drive select settings (Individual drive mode). That way it's not only apparent to the user and switchable, but also works for the currently logged in user, not a global setting.

[@autogefuehl]

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[@paramdeepdhaliwal9694]

Thanks Thomas u rock all the time the knowledge, simplicity, dedication, enthusiasm, energy make u stand out in the u tube crowd u have ur own identity hats off to u greetings from Toronto Canada 🇨🇦

[@autogefuehl]

🙏🙏🙏

[@OverlordActual]

Last driving mode please. PLEASE. Look I may never buy one of your cars but I would die a little inside if my Model 3 all of a sudden was like "yeah default settings every time, you have to redo all of your customization EVERY DRIVE. Please do a last drive settings. It really makes so much sense.

[@Theresnosequel]

Last Driving mode FTW. Link it to the driver profiles that also sets the position of the seat, mirrors, damping, favorite radio stations, dash cluster & infotainment design, temperature, fan speed, air distribution, artificial sound, height of trunk opening, Bluetooth link, driver assistance functions and level etc.

[@JoWyns]

I would appreciate the "last driving mode" option. I suggest to couple it to the finger-print reader ;-)

[@JoWyns]

btw, I recently ordered an EQS 350 business line (in Thomas' blue). I initially considered waiting for this (smaller) EQE, but the more practical trunk of the EQS in combination with pricing of the business line pulled me over the line. This review confirmed my choice, since both are technically very close to each other.

[@jefffarmer9200]

Connect last driving mode to the key the same way you connect mirror and seat settings. One pedal driving is a must.

[@OverlordActual]

12:50 This is the first time I've heard the manufacturer explain their line of thinking for why they don't want one pedal drive to bring you to a stop. And it makes sense to me. I've only done it once but I was stopped in my Tesla Model 3 and forgot to put it in park and rested my foot on the accelerator and started going. I quickly slammed back on the breaks of course. It's only happened once. I still love 1 pedal driving that brings you to a stop and think all EVs should have the option but nice to hear a reason why they wouldn't.

[@shiakas]

I think its just a matter of adapting to a new reality. Foot on the brake when stopped, foot on the accelerator when going. There is no torque converter wasting energy so why simulate its existence?

[@autogefuehl]

Yeah it’s an interesting argument

[@fadocodecamp]

The first time I drove automatic, I slammed the brakes thinking it's a clutch - happened once, and once only (on the test drive actually). I got used to driving automatic in a day, never looked back. This looks like a one-time problem to me too, you get used to it, and you never look back.

[@abraxastulammo9940]

VW puts the car in park if you lift from the seat.

[@hfwilkesjr]

Thanks for a very informative and in depth review. We should definitely be able to tie the one pedal drive mode to the different keys of the vehicle. Rental cars should be able to put it into a more standard mode that doesn’t have the one pedal drive mode. Great vehicle, I’m looking forward to consider it in the future.

[@helmutnn]

Good that you asked so intense about OPD. It’s a pain that some Automakers (VW, Mercedes) advocate their customers about what they want. Real OPD with full control over maximum recuperation is a breeze, and every electric car should have the option (!) for the customer to choose this. I was astonished to notice that even in the maximal reku-mode in the ID.3 e.g. you only have around half of the available recuperation under your control on the throttle, but you have to use the break pedal to get the rest. This is awful and it is sad to see that so many new electric cars coming to the market have the same limitations again and again and that car manufacturers do not listen to their customers. BMW had OPD from day one in the BMW I3, in 2013!

[@abraxastulammo9940]

Yes, but you have the bigger half 😉 (0.19 G or so?)

[@wernerjacq]

The EQ capacitive distraction button… Has the same effect as looking at your smartphone while driving, do they realise that? I think for a safety first company like Mercedes it is mind-blowing.

[@WhatAndHow29]

We need to last setting to be retained and it could be based on derived profiles.

[@mikeicee]

It cant because the EPA MPG ratings... the car has to default to most efficient mode to avoid taxes.

[@autogefuehl]

Very interesting.

[@autogefuehl]

However I wonder how this can make such a difference, because recuperation is always active, no matter if you’re in a harder recuperation mode or if you use the brake yourself

[@flyboyflash3184]

As a M-B owner, definitely want “last mode” option vs “reset mode” only. Not many people drive my cars.

[@peterparsons5092]

Good discussion and questions Thomas. 1. Driver settings (including recuperation, seat position, etc) should be optionally saved, and available next time the same driver. The recuperation settings can be stored as part of saving the seat settings. 2. One pedal driving should be available. It is going to become the general technique in the future. I appreciate the comment about the driver exiting a stationary car without it being in Park, but the internal camera (or other sensor) could be used to automatically place a car in park if there is no driver present. Both of these can be optional settings, and they certainly don't have to wait for a mid-cycle refresh. The firmware could be pushed out to vehicles as soon as it is approved. As Thomas often says "Let's go!".

[@philipeklund4127]

Great interview and really impressed that Mercedes participates in such recordings. This is a true dream car to me!

[@autogefuehl]

Appreciated!

[@davids4696]

Very impressed with the car, especially the range when you compare with the BMW ix 40 and its poor efficiency. Agree that heat is a strange omission though but main criticism of the EQE is the tiny trunk! 430 litres not for families, when's the Kombi coming?!

Unfortunately they don't plan to make a kombi

[@updlate4756]

Comparing the efficiency of an iX 40, a mid-size SUV, to the EQE, a mid-size sedan doesn't exactly seem like apples to apples. ;)

[@marcelwieczorek6604]

This is the worst change in car design for me. A efficient station Wagen is no popular to the manufacture anymore. If you need storage space you need to buy an inefficient SUV or van.

[@davids4696]

@@updlate4756 yes you're right but I was referring to the MB man's comment on WLTP range being met. I tested ix in mixed driving and managed +/- 300 km out of 425 claimed

[@brunopeixoto949]

Last mode for driving mode and start and stop mode should be always a option. Even they need by regulatory laws to start at standard mode, the menu should give us a option to recover last mode of this settings.

[@thomastcrapper4100]

You should be able to choose the last driving mode.

[@harryszeto8292]

Honest and straight forward questions, love this.

[@autogefuehl]

👍👍

[@rzu7120]

I agree, you should have the option of staying in the last driving mode. If efficiency is king, why didn't they also use weight-saving aluminum in the EQE? Was it a matter of cost? BTW, I love one pedal driving!

[@Cloxxki]

How much weight could that save, though? Would alu require less or more additional sound deadening? EQS seems to be focused on highway efficiency. Some weight loss will not help too much there.

[@rzu7120]

@@Cloxxki They used aluminum in the EQS for greater efficiency, but not the EQE.

[@davidg8628]

@@rzu7120 Usually it will be more expensive to use aluminum compared to steel, thats probably the reason, to keep costs down.

[@abraxastulammo9940]

How does the weight compare to Model S?

[@updlate4756]

@@davidg8628 Not to mention potential future aluminum shortages and higher repair costs.

[@whitewalker9622]

Wonderful to se Thomas, to the guys at Mercedes, I liked his answer "Everything is possible". I could be a part of a panel to bring forth a no nonsense bare bones electric model like the w123

[@amc182]

The car has a fingerprint sensor. So the settings can be saved in the profile, right?

[@aquissuk]

I really appreciate you challenged driving mode. I totally agree, if you drive the car, then go to the local shop for 5 minutes, then you want it to be the same when you jump back in.

[@autogefuehl]

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[@eyefiregaming]

I also share the same view with Thomas with the regen and it remembers the last time. It could be done by profile you create in the cars system.

[@dorist7280]

I truly value your review as the best. I am in California. I appreciated hearing details of the technical truth about EQE compared to the EQS. Many KZbin car reviewers do not know that. For example, 19-inch tires provide you more comfortable ride than 21-inch tires. Standard seats are comfier than AMG version seats. Not everyone desires a sportier ride. I love all about larger-size body EQS, but they are pricy for my budget. In this video, the front seat room is smaller and cozier than the EQS. Are the EQE body is narrower than the EQS?

[@Glomby]

I think the mercedes guy said the EQE is slightly shorter but not really narrower than the EQS.

[@autogefuehl]

Cheers!! Keep following! Hmm got ques about width, we ll try to find out

[@ZKITPO]

@@Glomby 30cm shorter I think-

[@tomeksZzzz]

Very professional as usual from Thomas. Why they do not manufacture 1 or 2 cars only? All look the same, quality and durability calculated anyway only for the leasing time and so on.

[@autogefuehl]

Thanks 🙏

[@DeeSock]

Demote the person who made no workaround for the setup-the-car-each-time-you-drive-it feature 16:33

[@sg222]

Wow Great Video 👍. Nice to see the debate with official Mercedes engineer. Funny he said we don't need heat pump and then later says heat is a major contribution for consumption at lower speeds 😃. Kind of contradicts himself. But great to see the discussion and criticism directly to them. Hats off Thomas 👍👍

[@Ramkumar-cn7cx]

Stupid. Heat is a major issue and need not be solved only through a heat pump. He didn't say the heat pump is the only way to make it efficient. Have you heard of PTC ?

[@autogefuehl]

Thanks m8!

[@francis5279]

I like it. The interior with the entertainment screen is wonderful.

[@siLox95]

Jörg Please implement the drive mode safe after shut down and re-entering the car! That’s a briliant idea from Thomas!

[@anthonycbrown1952]

While the technology is impressive, I think Mercedes missed the mark on the design details (interior / exterior). Technically competent - absolutely. Character and a signature Mercedes design for EVs - not so much. If one removed the badges, this car could be made by anyone. A mix of screens and hard controls for the interior is still preferred over the design ethos of 'the more screens the better'.

[@davids4696]

When compared with the BMW IX it is a thing of beauty

[@anthonycbrown1952]

@@davids4696 Agree

[@AOTanoos22]

@@davids4696 IMO the rear of the BMW iX is absolutely stunning. The only issue i have with the iX is the front huge fake grill. The EQE on the other hand is ugly from front to back, even the proportions are not right at all, you could still recognize the BMW when taking off the badge, but the EQE could be mistaken for a low end Kia without that Mercedes star.

[@davids4696]

@@AOTanoos22 yes agreed that it is the best side. Main problem is that this is not a family car either... 500 litres of trunk! What is it about German premium manufacturers and cargo space!

[@AOTanoos22]

@@davids4696 as an E-class wagon driver i was looking forward to upgrade to the EQE, but the joke of a trunk space and the limited rear passenger head room made me not. Will wait and see what BMW comes up with, else its gonna be a Model S if they finally bring the refreshed model to Europe.

[@Hiltsuk1]

Brilliant review Thomas did he mention the EQE SUV coupe 🙏🙏

[@autogefuehl]

Thanks 🙏 we ll keep u updated!

[@josephlam2072]

I like the EQS very much, the only reason I prefer EQE is the length of the vehicle if you are driver yourself. I have to reconsider the other alternative brand if there is no heat pump.

[@AOTanoos22]

Thomas really asked all the right questions. This is what we need, constructive criticism. Mercedes claiming the EQE/EQS do not need a heat pump is a fancy way of saying we don't have one yet. The part about the EQE having more steel than aluminum because it shares a plant structure with the C-class is very interesting and tells me that although the EQE is build on an EV platform, it still has compromises due to it being build in a factory shared with an ICE car. That explains why Mercedes EV's are so damn heavy, surely that will change with the next generations. The Mercedes Guy did a very good job of answering your questions and explaining the reason behind their decisions, although i don't believe some of these answers like the EQE not having a continuous fast back opening due to the rear head room...Tesla is doing it with the Model S and has more head room and a very good cd value of 0.208...all in all there are too many compromises in the EQE, i'd much rather wait for the next gen model, maybe they will unveil an estate/wagon version with it.

[@autogefuehl]

Appreciated!

[@awesomebase]

Couldn't MB just confirm the user on entering the vehicle (i.e. through key fob or on screen or by phone BT connection) and then have a setting where they can decide for themselves what defaults they want incorporated on entry? That would be good... that way if one person wants things to continue the way they were they can do so, and if another driver wants things reset each time they can do so as well.

[@lennartschoonaert3830]

Coming to a complete stop and being in drive is not an issue for safety, the moment you open the door it goes to park. That’s already the case in many other cars.

[@autogefuehl]

Good point

[@RogerM88]

Don't get all the hype about the one pedal driving. Is it so hard to use the foot to press the brake pedal? In my opinion, the one pedal driving could be more prone to an incident for people not used to the feature. I would prefer steering wheel pedals to regulate the level regenerative breaking.

[@ContrarianDC_KAF]

LOL

[@Cloxxki]

Normally I'd agree but in 2022 and spending so much on a car, if you stop pushing the go pedal, it's not a lot to ask for it to slow down to a halt. If only, for safety.

[@benjaminsmith2287]

I like to coast in my car and not have the brake likes always come on unless I hit the brake pedal. I dislike driving behind a car that always seems to be braking and that may show in a one-pedal drive car more than one that can coast. Otherwise, one-pedal driving is OK. I'm not that used to it but driving cars that have it, I got used to it while driving them.

[@RogerM88]

@@benjaminsmith2287 yes, but with the pedals behind the steering wheel you can regulate the amount of regenerative braking. Besides Mercedes-Benz many other Automakers are doing this way.

[@b286guy]

Not quite sure about the exterior, but that interior is just gorgeous 😍

[@TheDanishSpaceman]

Nice vid! :) The reduced turning circle feature is nice! However, no heat pump needed?! Mercedes, come on, where is your integrity! Also the automated driving is exclusive to EQS and even then it cannot measure up to the same feature in Tesla, where ALL models have it. The German car makers need to improve fast, otherwise Tesla and China will make them change, in a way not to be desired I think 😅

[@autogefuehl]

Thanks keep tuning in ☺️

[@abraxastulammo9940]

No heatpump means 28 kWh/100 km consumption around town - yeah why not...

[@VonMaximo]

When will the prices be made available?

[@ZarlockGE]

Great exploration of the EQE and its features. And concerning your question, yes, definitively offer an option to keep last mode for recuperation and other driving settings. I love the intelligent recuperation mode and am disappointed to hear that this has to be activated after every start. I kind of understand the problem of different users, but that is most likely the exception for cars which are not rentals or part of a business carpool. And also, for different users there is this by now old concept of different settings attached to different keys - so you can keep one setting when I start the car with my key, and another setting when my wife does it with her key. The solution for that problem is certainly within reach, I would be glad if Mercedes used it in the EQE.

[@autogefuehl]

👌

[@hankmoody7521]

Great video, Thomas! One note on the winter efficiency. The problem with high consumption might not be due to cabin heating, but constant battery conditioning at low ambient temperature. Green NCAP tested the ID.3 last year and found it to be highly inefficient at -7°C in contrast to competitors. This might be a common topic with German brands now. Tesla, since introducing its Octovalve, is actively using the battery heat to heat up the cabin in winter and not conditioning the battery to 20°C+. On the other hand, you really have to teach people to actively preheating the battery by routing the car to a charging station. Otherwise you get horrible charging rates.. Not sure what the premium standard will be in the future.

[@autogefuehl]

Thanks 🙏 Yes that surely plays a big role as well

[@autogefuehl]

So it’s just that Tesla leaves their batteries Cooler ?

[@TheDanishSpaceman]

@@autogefuehl Yes, while driving, but has a more intelligent system where batteries pre-conditions when routing to fast chargers (not only Tesla's own super chargers). This is the premium way to do it. The Octovalve system and the intelligent thermodynamics in the Teslas is something the German car makers need to address, if they need to compete on winter efficiency and Teslas weigh less as well (because of better design and perhaps compromising comfort a bit), this is a positive contributor to efficiency all year round. Tesla is a better EV design by a mile and not standing still.

[@abraxastulammo9940]

@@autogefuehl No, Kia/Hyundai likes their batteries cool in winter, too 😜

[@abraxastulammo9940]

Did greenNCAP retest the model year 22 from july 2021 where the behaviour seems to be fixed?

[@bitkahuna]

about retaining individual settings for drivers, it's clear the car has to identify who is driving the car. if it's the owner for example, no reason it couldn't go to individual settings every time the driver gets in, but if a 'stranger' gets in, it probably should go to a default.

[@edgarzamudio5987]

What suction cubs do you use for your cameras

[@chillmeister]

Last driving mode please

[@sethsmith34]

MB please allow us as owners to select a preferred setting on all for your autos. It could be connected to the user profile.

[@moglaiparata]

Just like the AMG line there should be a Maybach interior line for the individuals who would want extra comfort. Not just for EQ models but for the C-Class and up.

[@flyboyflash3184]

Maybe you could ask EQE Manager, US EQE launch timing and EQE SUV launch timing. MBUSA advised to ask dealer, dealer advised they have no such info?

[@boenill]

Yes of course! I also want the opportunity to choose to activate the last driving mode setting!!!🙂👍🏻 Come on Mercedes...

[@whitelotus_zero]

Superb car. And 💯agree with your guest, I don’t think people are that interested in fake sounds and probably enjoy the silence most. The only other sound I would honestly appreciate is good horse and carriage simulation 😉👌🏻

[@MICHGO1]

THANK GOODNESS FOR CC. IT SOUNDS LIKE MERCEDES IS TRYING HARD TO CONFUSE THE CONSUMER. IT'S CALLED "E" MORE COMPARABLE TO THE CLS?

[@Harrythehun]

MB should apply driver profiles as Tesla for settings. If you lend it to someone you apply “guest settings “

[@blueeyesguy8072]

Das Herumgeiere vom Mercedestypen bei kritischen Fragen ist nicht zum Aushalten! Und diese dreiste Lüge, dass er im Winter ohne Wärmepumpe keine negativen Erfahrungen gemacht hat., ist lächerlich! SELBSTVERSTÄNDLICH ist es unter aller Sau, dass Mercedes keine Wärmepumpe verbaut und JA, die Leistung bricht extrem ein, wenn man zusätzlich zur Fahrt noch einen warmen Innenraum möchte. (Siehe eines der letzten Videos vom Carmaniac mit dem EQS, auch der bestätigt das!)

[@mikewestwood567]

34:30. I didn’t understand the conversation about warming up the car and having to wear a jacket. Surely you would just preheat the car remotely whilst it is plugged in charging so there wouldn’t me any impact on warm up consumption as it would be mains powered until you start driving.

[@abraxastulammo9940]

Not everyone has a plug.

[@autogefuehl]

Not everyone can have it plugged in indeed

[@sebvv5219]

Good question about the heat pump, Thomas. I remember when Telsa was asked about this, bc they didn't have one for a long time either, they replied by claiming a heat pump would be less efficient and even refered to test that should confirm this. In the aforementioned test the heat pump system was indeed less efficient, but this was likely only the case bc of the extremely low ambient temperatur(~ -50°C) at which said test was conducted. tl:dr: I don't believe Mercedes and Tesla. They are probably making excuses for cutting costs and keeping the complexity and weight low. Under normal conditions were heating is used (-25°C ~ 15°C) a heat pump is more efficient and indeed needed in order to achieve the effiency claimed by Tesla and Mercedes.

[@Ramkumar-cn7cx]

For your information. Heat pump is already used in all models of EQA

[@sebvv5219]

@@Ramkumar-cn7cx Right, but how does that help EQS end EQE drivers?

[@Ramkumar-cn7cx]

Because you said they are making excuses yo cut costs and keep the complexity low. If that's the case, they wouldn't have used it in EQA too

[@sebvv5219]

@@Ramkumar-cn7cx Maybe. What are the profit margins on an EQA? What are the profit margins on an EQE/EQS?

[@Ramkumar-cn7cx]

@@sebvv5219 am not a product manager.

[@masterrazvan]

Sault, the new Mercedes EQE FIRST RIDE is very cool and incredible!

[@shakesnbake]

Thomas/Autogefühl always with the exclusives 👍🏽👍🏽 #BestCarChannel Do you think they'd do an estate/shooting break version of the EQE?

[@autogefuehl]

Thanks 🙏 they surely wont

[@Ramkumar-cn7cx]

@@autogefuehl it's funny how you say they won't instead of they aren't. Are you so sure that they wouldn't want to do in the future as well. You are underestimating a brand constantly Thomas. We don't like this.

[@bengals098558]

I don't live in a cold weather state, I hate the cold lol...would no heat pump be a problem? Not sure of the exact function of a heat pump.

[@jokertv2596]

Why use the last active settings? Just save the settings to profiles…

[@cerivista]

It should have an option to set your initial setup as you like.

[@rucamorim]

Last driving mode activated: definitely!

[@ObserverDingue]

Last driving mode & heat pump options, yes please Mercedes ✅ I think the last driving mode is basically an essential - a car must surely be customisable by a private purchaser rather than priority being given to rental or fleet purchasers. Leave it to the rental manager to reset a car to defaults between customers rather than limiting what a private purchaser can choose. Just have a short-cut option "return to default mode" for when a second driver hops in (or for the rental manager). Another option: stored driver preferences for 2 or even 3 identities. When the driver's phone, already set up with the car, pairs with the car upon opening/entering the car it could be set by choice to default to last driving mode for that person - a typical situation for a couple & you could include seat, steering wheel, Hvac & home screen short-cut settings with this. Also include a manual switch over in the settings too for when "John & Mary" swap driving on a long trip, so the car can simply be told by pressing a button on the home screen who is driving (John, Mary or default) and adjust everything to that driver's stored preferences. Facial recognition?? Nein! Keep it simple and allow the human to be in charge. Make a heat pump part of a winter package that can be purchased by those whose lifestyle and/or location means they wish to prioritise winter long distance driving (+ washer nozzles for cameras, heated wiper nozzles, heated radar cover, headlight washers, battery pre-heating etc. BMW already include most of this, see Bjørn Nyland's thermal camera Geilo winter tests in Norway). For most people, even in locations with hard winters, long trips are the exception in daily life. So for daily use with overnight home charging the reduced range without a heat pump will not be relevant (you can still do 350kms+ in EQS/E). Great review, especially the interaction with the top Mercedes guy who also related his personal driving experiences.

[@autogefuehl]

Thanks! Even more details in the next few days on our channel!

[@thomassoderqvist4666]

Was about to start convincing my wife that we should chsnge our EQC for an EQE untill I heard you say it didn't have a heat pump. Initially I was told my EQC have a heat pump but then someone informed me it has something very similar. Living in the northern part of Seeden I can't say I can complain on my EQC from that point of view. Does the EQE have a dimilar solution to the EQC? As always an excellent video! Thank you!

[@Ramkumar-cn7cx]

Yes. It does have PTCs which are similar to solving the heating issues. Should be the same like EQS or EQC. Shouldn't be a problem at all. Anyway, instead of trusting the media like Autogefuehl which are inclined to one particular brand(like Thomas preferring Audi and bashing Mercedes for being China specific brand and I would even call him out racist for such comments), go for individual test drive after market launch.

[@thomassoderqvist4666]

@@Ramkumar-cn7cx I know which comment you are refering to and I disagree with Thomas there. The reason why the EQS is designed the way it is, is to achieve as low a drag coefficient as possible. Not on any bias to a specific market. But I definitely don't think that there is any reason to call him a racist based on this. As a matter of fact I think it is very unlikely that an infividual that advocates so strongly for "animal free" interiors for cars, could be racist. You shouldn't spread that kind of comments!

[@autogefuehl]

Cheers thomas!

[@autogefuehl]

I said the EQS is designed for the Chinese market. This was even confirmed by designers in personal talks. Of course aerodynamics is a key thing here but the design language is also majorly focussing on China - because its the biggest market, cant blame them. But you could stop blaming me with false accusations!

[@Karberg1]

Is there gonna be a EQE or EQC Estate? or is it only gonna be sedan only?

[@autogefuehl]

Sedan

[@Marre480]

What a monstruosity. Looks lika a soviet concept Moskvich Istra 2144 from 1985. Incredible someone receiving a salary after drawing this wurstel on wheels.

[@eirik500]

Of course the owner should be able to set his default driving mode at start up! Lacking this is a no-go for for me. "factory reset at each park..."

[@WNL2013]

Yh never understood this … have to restart ur driving mode everytime

[@TosinSalisu]

Very interesting how it is positioned by Mercedes, in the future it seems this will be completely replace the ICE E-Class & CLS

[@RobertPuklin]

Great critical (and apparently uncomfortable) questions asked by Thomas! That leads to better products for us consumers. Not a fan of a big hidden battery buffer, that misleadingly leads to better charging curve (because always charging to 90%). Give us the option to use full capacity.

[@autogefuehl]

Cheers!

[@P.Galore]

Very impressive how quiet the EQE interior is,,,,,Would buy a Mercedes EV over anything Tesla makes.

[@TheDanishSpaceman]

You better get it fast then and suffer when it comes to efficiency and lack of life cycle improvements and much better software, because Mercedes has not scaled their EV production to the level of Tesla and hasn't got a good enough EV design yet... but the quietness you get in the Merc :) You think my ears are damaged by now as I have driven Teslas since 2015? ;-)

[@minpark4139]

I vote for “last driving mode”

[@vipolo]

Head of the EqE team holding the wheel so wrong and talking about safety all the time. Man hold the wheel correctly 😎😱

[@QuietStormX]

Nice Ride & Review ;-D

[@autogefuehl]

👍

[@joshmatlock1020]

Will this come to the USA?

[@autogefuehl]

Yes

[@mortenjohansen4193]

Last driver mode please!

[@tomtierney5848]

Why is Mercedes now pushing the EQE350 when it is failing to deliver the EQS, surely they should focus on meeting customer orders for existing product before selling the new products.👎😠

[@abraxastulammo9940]

It is made in a different factory (Bremen) and has a different battery manufacturer (Farasis).

[@anibalasubramaniam4153]

Mercedes, if you're reading these comments please please please consider having an official forum or group for EQ(S and E) adopters to provide feedback and disseminate information. Other manufacturers use VIN to gatekeep it for owners only. I LOVE my EQS 450+ and am keen to engage with other owners and Mercedes-Benz itself. Thanks in advance! 🙏

[@autogefuehl]

Here in our general we always have a lot of car owners of the respective vehicles, so feel free to use our comments section also for that 😊

[@anibalasubramaniam4153]

@@autogefuehl Will do! I was looking for a way to play videos on the co-driver display, until I saw you use the browser for it! Such a great channel - your review of the EQS is what made me go for it! Keep up the great work! :)

[@oleksandrmirza]

Cool vid, thanks for sharing your eqe experience.

[@autogefuehl]

🙏🙏

[@jeromem75]

Yes, last driving mode is a great feature. Looking forward for the eqe SUV version to replace my gle. Great video as usual and thank you for pushing back.

[@autogefuehl]

Thanks 🙏

[@johnrobson7367]

Personal settings could be set by use of a mobile phone used as a key as done by other manufacturers

[@pedroalmeida4652]

Regarding keeping driving mode (e.g. auto recuperation, but also other) settings, once the car has - I believe - fingerprint recognition, it would be very easy to associate each setting to a specific driver, with preset settings for non-identified drivers, and even restrain some key settings' memorisation to one or two drivers that would be identified in e.g. the Mercedes Me Portal as "Car Managers" or "Owners" or whatever. Really no big deal, I hope Mercedes will implement this through an OTA update very soon. Looking forward to the real test!

[@Glomby]

The EQE and EQS both have fingerprint scanners and i think even face recognition. So really strange why they don't implement these settings already, maybe they can add this with a software update.

[@dharminnaik5473]

I HATE that they made the EQA a flipping SUV. I mean an entry point EQ is what the brand was crying out for! These cars are SO large for a company car… Although absolutely LOVE the adjustable integrated headrests!!! Little things but omg the non-adjustable headrests drive me insane!!! 🤣🤷‍♂️

[@abraxastulammo9940]

The EQA concept was so beautiful and had good specs, final car is boring and rather expensive.

[@dharminnaik5473]

@@abraxastulammo9940 completely agree! It’s like a worse version of the GLA… The boot is the size of my CLA coupe’s?!?! Ridiculous homage to everything that is to hate about electric cars.

[@bitkahuna]

great discussion, great car, winning.

[@Z4YD]

Please review the Audi a6 55 tfsi e avant PHEV.

[@thelifeofbatteries2603]

The fact it doesn't stop with 1 pedal removes it from my shopping list. He said you could get out with it in drive, well how about dropping into park if the door is opened. I'll stick with Tesla until other brands stop doing this.

[@fanimej]

Not that i can afford a eqe or eqs at this time but no heat pump really bothers me. My ev kia has heat pump and I wouldnt buy a car without it. The Mercedes guy of course Cant say anything bad about the brand or car but he must understand that not all people live in warm places and saying that they rather have range than heat and telling people its a "choice" if you decide to be cold in your almost 200 000 euro car, its not very good PR in my opinion. Thanks to Thomas for asking the question.

[@Cloxxki]

Merc did a half effort. Imagine EQS with a Korean battery of same size. 300 kW charging, heat pump...it would just be SO much better than Merc's supposed best effort. NOT COOL that a car less than half the price is just way better with such crucial specs. It's not like it's a party mode like Model 3 that a typical driver in that price range doesn't need.

[@autogefuehl]

Cheers!

[@abraxastulammo9940]

@@Cloxxki You are describing the A6 etron? 😉

[@Cloxxki]

@@abraxastulammo9940 Does that one exist? Let's see whether they can at least give is a better batter than the years old Taycan/GT. Their original etron actually didn't suck so much, due to flat charging curve. Super thirsty, though.

[@abraxastulammo9940]

@@Cloxxki Yes, the async motor means efficiency is only achieved in higher speeds, so together with the weight and big SUV shape is a bit unfortunate combination. Carwow had just got some interesting results in spirited driving compared to EQC and iX. In an investor presentation last summer Audi hinted at 30 % better efficiency with an etron technical update which should give up to date range numbers.

[@pujarajat]

I wish they would do more user research, rather than taking that I know best attitude. I agree with you Thomas.. I’d prefer to be able to set the mode as a perm setting. I’d bought a Merc, but now I will not until Merc changes their way of thinking about all these. Similarly their view to not include Self-driving on EQE.. they aren’t trying to give the best to each customer. This is completely the opposite of Tesla thinking.

[@martinsvensson6884]

If you want to reset everything on every start up for some "safety reasons" then at least put a button where everything is easily reactivated again.. Wtih a 1 button push. Let it show up on the touch screen when you sit in the car. If you select nothing then it goes to default. If you select a personal setting then it adjusts everything. Else its at least fortunate then that the seats dont also reset to "default" position every time....

[@yvesalepin3486]

You do very interesting and good videos Thomas!

[@autogefuehl]

Thanks please recommend 😊

[@shadytawfik2632]

We should be able to enable the last driving mode.

[@dragospahontu]

I know it looks bad, but the design is very functional since it has the lowest drag coeficient.

[@zkBE]

You should have asked are they planning an estate/shooting brake version ;)

[@jtrace1711]

Hyperscreen is awesome!!!