First Time Watching: The Amazing Spider-Man 2

[@TheAmazingWebhead]

So Harry’s assistant at 13:51 is actually a important character in Spider-Man lore named Felicia Hardy who is also a thief/vigilante named Black Cat who started off as a foe to Peter but soon became one of his main love interests. She & Peter have a on again off again Batman/Catwoman type of relationship. She’s actually my favorite love interest because I enjoy their dynamic. They have this chemistry that is sweet but also funny/playful. If Peter has a top 3 best girlfriends, most people would say MJ, Gwen, & Felicia. Unfortunate we never see her suited up as Black Cat in this movie but was meant to set up a spin off movie that never happen. Though if you watch some Spidey shows or games, you’ll probably see her there.

[@janeybun]

ohh awe so, at least for live action movies, we won't really be seeing a universe where Peter is with Felicia? Everyone is mentioning the comics and the shows so im very much tempted to get into those! It's amazing how much lore there are to these movies hahaha

[@mysticfish7997]

Apparently, in the new Spider-Man movies, we will see him with Felicia

[@GreenGoblin64]

11:56 So this version of the Goblin is kind of similar to the Ultimate Universe, where Norman doesn’t wear a suit but instead turns into a huge creature that looks like a mix of the Hulk and a Goblin. That happens because he tests the OZ Formula on himself, combining it with his own blood, Oz Formula was given to spiders which is how Peter got his powers, Oscorps attempt at trying to recreate the super soldier serum. In the film, though, it’s a degenerative disease created for the movie that gives the person a Goblin-like skin color and long nails. 17:33 This version of Electro is inspired by the Ultimate Universe, where Electro is fully covered in blue electricity. In the mainline comics, though, he's just a guy in a green and yellow suit with yellow electric powers. I was never a big fan of the blue Electro, but I absolutely love his theme in this film, and Jamie Foxx is great in the role. 18:37 The big white eyes on Spider-Man’s suit are a fun throwback to Ultimate Spider-Man, where he’s got those large white eyes. He’s also a bit shorter than your average Peter Parker, and while Andrew Garfield is taller, the big eyes definitely give off Ultimate Spider-Man vibes. Todd McFarlane’s Spider-Man from the '90s also had big white eyes, so I can totally see that as an influence too, especially since Ultimate Spider-Man came about a decade later in 2000. There’s also a “Project Venom” file on Harry’s computer, which hints that Venom might be a lab creation in this universe rather than an alien from space. In the Ultimate Universe, scientists Richard Parker and Eddie Brock Sr. worked together on a project to develop a way to heal humanity of disease and illness, creating a symbiotic bio-suit called "Project Venom." The project wasn’t completed until Peter and Eddie discovered it, taking over their fathers work leading to the Black Suit story-line in the Ultimate Universe, where Peter takes the suit, and later, Eddie becomes Venom. Peter was around 16 during this time while Eddie was a little older in college. It’s also worth mentioning that in the Ultimate Universe, Peter’s parents were scientists, which is also the case in this film. In the mainline comics, though, they were secret agents working under the CIA and later S.H.I.E.L.D. Both versions of the story involve their deaths in a plane crash, but the circumstances are different. In the Ultimate Universe, they were killed by Bolivar Trask, while in the mainline comics, it was by an agent of the Red Skull. A lot of inspiration from the Ultimate Universe can be seen in Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man. It makes sense, though, since the Ultimate Universe was a more "realistic" reimagining of the Marvel universe, which is what The Amazing Spider-Man was going for, especially after the success of The Dark Knight.

[@janeybun]

ahhh thank you for sharing this info! Ngl kinda wanna get into ulitmate spider-man now haha

[@GreenGoblin64]

@@janeybun Ultimate Spider-Man is a fantastic introduction to the character. The whole Ultimate Universe was created to give new readers an easy entry point into a re-imagined Marvel Universe for the 21st century with no prior history, beginning with Ultimate Spider-Man #1 (2000). Ultimate Spider-Man is almost structured like a teen drama TV series. If you want to dive deeper into the mainline Spider-Man of Earth-616, I recommend Spider-Man: Life Story. This series explores Peter Parker's life in real-time, starting in the 1960s and moving through the decades into the 2010s, aging all the characters realistically. It covers all the iconic story-lines but just ages everyone in real time. Another excellent choice is Spider-Man: Blue. It’s an emotional story that delves into Peter Parker’s reflections on the loss of Gwen Stacy. It’s an amazing read and I high recommend.

[@janeybun]

@GreenGoblin64 Okay! I am currently looking into the comics on Amazon haha So I would first start off with the Ultimate Spider-Man right? and awee Spider-Man: Blue sounds so good I'll def look into it

[@GreenGoblin64]

@@janeybun Ultimate Spider-Man (2000 - 2014) is a great introduction, 100%. It begins with Ultimate Spider-Man #1 (2000), which kickstarted a whole new continuity, so no past reading is needed. It's like jumping into the MCU with Iron Man (2008) whole new continuity that grows with each new movies. Just a heads up, there’s also a new Ultimate imprint, including Ultimate Spider-Man (2024), which launched in January. This series establishes a whole new continuity that has roots in the original Ultimate Universe but is very much its own thing. It’s an amazing read, some of the best Spider-Man content in years, and I highly recommend it. For context, back in 2015, the Ultimate Universe was destroyed during Secret Wars (2015) when it collided with the Mainline Marvel Universe. In the aftermath, survivors of the Ultimate Universe, like Miles Morales and his family, were rewritten into the history of the Mainline Marvel Universe. Meanwhile, The Maker, a villain from the Ultimate Universe, also found his way into the Mainline Universe. In 2023, we got Ultimate Invasion, which followed The Maker’s attempt to recreate the Ultimate Universe. He stole plans from the Fantastic Four's Baxter Building, containing the history of every hero who existed on Earth-616 and then traveled to a parallel universe resembling Earth-616 (Mainline Universe) and manipulated key events, such as preventing the spider from biting Peter Parker, stopping the Fantastic Four’s fateful space launch, and ensuring Thor’s banishment from Asgard. Essentially, The Maker crafted a universe in his image, eliminating potential threats before they could rise. This Earth is known as Earth-6160. Ultimate Spider-Man takes place in this new universe, following a 30-something-year-old Peter Parker who is married to MJ and has two kids. In this reality, Peter never became Spider-Man, until now. The series explores an adult, married Peter Parker stepping into the role of Spider-Man, offering a fresh take on the character. There are also intriguing twists on other characters, like the Green Goblin, but I’ll avoid going into too much detail to avoid spoilers. Summed up: Ultimate Universe (Earth-1610) is the original Ultimate Universe that began with Ultimate Spider-Man #1 (2000) Ultimate Universe (Earth-6160) is the new Ultimate Universe that began with Ultimate Invasion (2023) but officially began with Ultimate Spider-Man #1 (2024) Both are great and offer something differant.

[@MrCoolAttitude]

I don't know why but I fking love that whole scene with Gwen falling off. Also I like how Peter and Harry's hairstyle from this movie is the reversed of the original spiderman series.

[@janeybun]

Yesss while it totally caught me off gaurd, it was an incredible scene. and OMG LOL i didn't even catch the reversed hairstyles thats great hahaha

[@reggiebrown9508]

Gwen dying like that in the comics is from Norman dropping Gwen from the Brooklyn Bridge not Harry. They gave a nod to it in the 1st Spider-Man when Norman dropped MJ off the bridge.

[@havok6280]

The death of Gwen Stacy was a seminal moment in comics. As soon as I saw the outfit Emma is wearing on the movie poster, I knew how this would end...😢

[@heitoroliveira5166]

I remember whem appeared a photo from the shooting. Everybody was crying even before the trailer release

[@Narutoanime16g]

Just compared to other superhero movies I like that this one just killed the love interest at the end cause most of the time the girl of the main hero is gonna get saved, I love the energy Andrew brings to spiderman and Peter like showing how chaotic his life is trying to be balancing everything between Harry and Gwen.

[@janeybun]

Yess I agree! It's not the cliche happy ending and I actually liked this ending as well it definitely took me by surprise hahaha

[@reggiebrown9508]

The most comic accurate Spider-Man costume in all the Spider-Man live action movie's.

[@holika8265]

honestly i prefer this harry, he seems more charismatic and proactive character than from trilogy. his mental decay seems convincing to me and that in the end he plunges into complete madness because he feels completely abandoned by everyone and deceived by peter. although I agree that in the trilogy he was a more multi-faceted character

[@RyansChannel0203]

Hard agree.

[@Dany2001bro]

You have bad taste bud 😂🤡🤡🤡

[@holika8265]

@@Dany2001bro and what makes yours better, dude? 🤡

[@Dany2001bro]

@ grow up kid I myself was a dick rider on tasm movies saying it’s better than the trilogy until I grew up and realize it’s not

[@RyansChannel0203]

Literally no one asked, my guy.

[@LittleGalaxyBoy]

The Night Gwen Stacy Died (1973) also known as The Green Goblin's Last Stand heavily inspired the events surrounding the death of Gwen Stacy in this movie. In the comics Norman Osborn recovers from his amnesia and remembers everything from the Green Goblin to the fact that Peter is Spider-Man. Kind of like what happened with Harry in Spider-Man 3 (2007). The Green Goblin then abducts Gwen Stacy, luring Spider-Man to the top of the Brooklyn Bridge. Goblin and Spider-Man clash, and the Goblin throws Gwen off the bridge. Spider-Man manages to web her, as seen in the movie, but like in the film, she dies from the whiplash of the sudden stop. Peter then takes down Norman, and they fight until Norman is impaled on his own glider. This event happened in Spider-Man 1 as well, except they used MJ instead of Gwen and it was set onto of the Queensboro Bridge. This comic is regarded as one of the most pivotal Spider-Man stories outside of Peter's origin, and one of the most important comics of all time. It was one of the first instances of a major comic book character being killed off, and many people consider it the moment that ended the Silver Age of Comics and helped usher in the Bronze Age. The Silver Age of comics was heavily regulated by the Comics Code Authority, which was founded in 1954 in response to public outrage over violent comics. Many even held comic burning events where people would burn comic books. This is why comics in the 1950s were much more campy and colorful. For example, Batman went from gritty Noir inspired stories during the '40s to colorful wacky adventures by the '50s. By the mid-1970s, comics started moving away from these regulations, and by the 1980s, both DC and Marvel began exploring more mature and darker storytelling. The death of Gwen Stacy marked the beginning of this shift.

[@janeybun]

Woah, I really don't know much about comics so I'm curious to learn more. It's unfortunate that there were events held to burn those comics but its really cool learning how comics have changed overtime. The transition and the fact the shift began with Gwen Stacy's death is fascinating thank you so much for sharing this.

[@LittleGalaxyBoy]

@@janeybun There's a great documentary called Superheroes Decoded (2017). On youtube look up *Superheroes Decoded: Dismantling the Comics Code Authority(Season 1, Episode 1) | History* and you'll find a four minute video on the dismantling of the Comics Code Authority, narrated by Kevin Conroy the definitive Batman voice actor. There's also *Superheroes Decoded: The Death of Gwen Stacy* as well which gives into into this event just three minutes. All from this documentary.

[@TheAmazingWebhead]

Good video! This movie was seen as people’s least favorite Spider-Man movie due to studio interference on wanting to create/rush a cinematic universe with Spider-Man characters. That’s what the ending with Rhino was. Harry wanting to build a team was a reference to a super villain team called The Sinister Six who in the comics are villains of Spider-Man working together to get rid of him. Amazing Spider-Man 2 was suppose to set up a movie about them but due to the poor reception Amazing Spider-Man 2 had, they cancelled it. Unfortunately you now know Gwen’s fate. This was her fate in the comics. Gwen died in Spider-Man issue 121 (1973) during a battle between Peter & Green Goblin (who was Harry’s dad under the mask). Goblin threw Gwen off a bridge and Peter shot a web to catch her but it snapped her neck. Aside from Uncle Ben, Gwen’s death to this day haunts Peter blaming himself. However, Gwen’s death did have Peter & Mary Jane (who was Gwen’s friend) getting closer & eventually fell in love. MJ was gonna be introduced in the next Amazing Spider-Man but was cancelled.

[@havok6280]

My biggest complaint about this one is Sony was trying too hard to set up a cinematic universe. They laid the groundwork for a Sinister Six movie that never happened. In the comics, the Sinister Six is a team of Spider-Man's enemies. The original team was: Doctor Octopus (leader) Kraven the Hunter Mysterio Vulture Sandman Electro

[@Zombiesnyder13]

#IBlameAviArad

[@janeybun]

Ohh that's so unfortunate the Sinister Six movie didn't follow through :( this gives me another reason to check out the comics haha. omg wow I noticed that Kraven the Hunter has his own film coming out in two days would that be at all related?

[@havok6280]

​@janeybun yes. Because of their deal with Marvel, Sony has been trying to make movies with Spider-Man characters but without Spider-Man. That includes the Venom movies, Morbius, Madame Web, and Kraven the Hunter.

[@carlakse]

holidays are extra cozy when you watch movies with Janey ❤

[@janeybun]

Aweee 🥰🤍

[@lildballin86]

I saw this in a packed movie theatre and thought it wasn’t as bad. Electro falling in electric eels was a bit goofy and so w Rhino. Too bad we didn’t get the Black Cat (Felicia Hardy) just a tease to her character. She is similar to Catwoman. Just again the same where too many villains and Sony forcing their Sinister Six team up. Sadly I knew immediately of Gwen Stacy’s fate but Emma Stone and Andrew Garfield had tons more chemistry than Tobey and Kirsten as Peter and MJ ever had. I hope you will also watch both Spiderverse animated movies. Thanks again!

[@RyansChannel0203]

The secretly best Spider-Man movie! ❤

[@omen25901]

0:08 A lot of us are...ten years later. But just to keep in mind. Andrew Garfield is Amazing...he's Amazing for a reason.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

#IBlameAviArad

[@jfwalden2105]

Thanks for sharing and have a very happy holiday season! 🎄🎅🦌🎁🌨🥧

[@janeybun]

thank you, you as well!! ❤️🤍🎄✨

[@Loffels]

ive seen this movie like 15 times but i still sob when gwen dies :(

[@imjakedeason]

love the ending of gwen

[@SnakeJose]

I honestly think that the amazing spiderman 2 is underrated imo but the soundtrack is so good and the suit is chef kiss. It could’ve been better with better writing but soon u should watch the venom trilogy with tom hardy

[@jonmercano1138]

Felicia (Hardy)! She’s a significant character. She’s traditionally a thief who dresses in black and a white wig and goes by Black Cat. And she has the _hots_ for Spider Man. Not Peter, though, that’s a whole thing. The trailers showed that Sinister Six setup vault, and something that got removed was some kind of black blob, implying the symbiote that would lead to Venom. They replaced it with the Rhino suit. And here is what Gwen Stacy is most known for: dying. Not from this movie, from comics. Her death in the comics is one of the biggest things in comic book history, and she’s one of the few characters not brought back to life after dying. Fake outs, clones, alt universe counterparts, but never the actual Gwen. I’ve heard a couple times that there was an alternate idea for Gwen’s fate, but now I can’t find anything on it except from IMDb trivia. An earlier draft had her surviving, but critical, so Peter does an emergency transfusion with his blood that saves her but also gives her spider powers. She ends up becoming his partner in crime fighting called White Widow. •A Spider version of Gwen would actually appear in comics months after this movie. An alternate universe Gwen who got bit instead of Peter. Spider-Woman aka Ghost Spider, and colloquially Spider-Gwen. She’s become quite popular. I mentioned one infamous Avi Arad with Spider Man 3. Gwen’s death is another part of his infamy! Disney was looking to integrate Spider Man into the MCU, and Sony has always maintained a tight grip. So Avi’s brilliant idea to dissuade them was to get rid of the aspect of Andrew’s Spidey that people liked most: his relationship with Gwen. So let’s fast track her famous death! •Nowadays of course we do have Tom Holland Spidey in the MCU via a deal with Sony. May we see this guide you’re using? Yeah Max is most likely dead. Same mystery guy (The Gentleman) from the first movie 😬 No more TASM movies, it was just these two. Tom Holland’s your next Spidey, and that’s way down the line. But people have been wanting Andrew to have a third movie for a long time

[@janeybun]

I can ask the person who emailed it to me to see if they are okay with sharing it. I think they've been working on the guide to share it on reddit or somewhere for noobs like me haha. I love that everyone has been providing me so much info, I'm so interested in the lore tho that I might actually consider getting into the shows and comics hahaha I would love to learn more about Felicia Hardy and her role. For the alternate universe, would this be Into the Spider-verse movie? I don't quite remember much of the film but i do remember her as spider-gwen. and do you think if Spider-Man was integrated into the MCU it would be as good or even better than it currently is?

[@jonmercano1138]

@ Spider Gwen didn’t originate from the spider verse movies, but they have helped make her mainstream. She’s also been getting put into some newer cartoons, I think most prominently in like a young kids cartoon Tom Holland is the Spider Man of the MCU. It’s been good. Don’t wanna spoil anything

[@jonmercano1138]

@@janeybun Follow up question, guide wise. Was that person someone you know? Or are you open to guides from anyone? Because I’d like to offer a guide for Star Wars. Not right now, whenever you get to it

[@janeybun]

@@jonmercano1138 Nah it was just a viewer who emailed me and they said I can private message you the guide if you want to see it! Theyre still making tweaks so that why they dont want it public yet. And omg yeah I would love a guide for Star Wars, thank you!! :3

[@jonmercano1138]

@@janeybun Cool. Just let me know when and how to send it

[@mysticfish7997]

Your voice calms me lol

[@delvinnx2]

Dope reaction, Naa in right fam this movie was extra good 🔥

[@Bruce-Wayne-101]

It’s awsome you’ve seen the Toby Maguire trilogy and the 2 Andrew Garfield movies, Janey you should watch Spider-Man: No Way Home to finish of the Spider-Man movies.

[@janeybun]

Yess! I have it on my watchlist so I will be definitely watching it sometime soon :3

[@spacemaster13]

💜💜

[@janeybun]

💗💗💗

[@ninjetti9898]

Oh now you are just spoiling us with all this spiderman goodness 🙂, I am starting to feel guilty for not getting you a Christmas present.......yet 😀.

[@janeybun]

omg nooo haha your support is more than enough!! ❤️

[@tjskeyblade]

I really spider-Man commentary amazing Spider-Man 2🥰😁🎅

[@Zombiesnyder13]

AVI ARAD has ruined so far... * Borderlands * Venom: The Last Dance * Daredevil (2003) * The Punisher (2004) * Elektra (2005) * Fantastic Four (2005) * X-Men: The Last Stand * Spider-Man 3 * Bratz (2007) * Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance * The Amazing Spider-Man 2 * Ghost in the Shell (2017) * Venom: Let There Be Carnage * Uncharted (2022) * Morbius And now he's gonna ruin... * Kraven the Hunter * Legend of Zelda * Naruto As long as Arad lives, there's no hope

[@janeybun]

He did Bratz!?! 😧 as a child I loved this movie, I’ll have to do a rewatch to spot all the flaws smh

[@My_Rules_0]

Now real start mcu with iron man ❤❤❤❤

[@janeybun]

WOOOOOOO

[@Zombiesnyder13]

#IBlameAviArad

[@jarekvelchek802]

We get the whole thing alright!