FIRST TIME WATCHING The Expanse Season 1 Episode 4 "CQB" Reaction/Review

[@scottlescard6154]

"There is no sound in space..." They had wanted to do no sound in space, but found that found that the scene's didn't have the impact. It's one of the few tropes that they had to go with.

[@pssthpok]

Hey, the Donnager is big, but you would not notice its gravity field if you were floating near it in zero g. Ceres has a mass of about 10E19 tons, or about 1/6200 of Earth, and has a natural surface gravity of 1/340 of Earth's. The Donnager is 500m long and about 250,000 tons (says the Expanse wiki), so its gravity field is somewhat weaker than Ceres, even. You were right that some habitats can simulate gravity with spinning structures. Some asteroids (ex: Ceres, Eros) had tunnels drilled through them and were then spun up to create what some call 'spin gravity'. So aside from planetary gravity fields, and spinning structures, the most common way people experience weight in The Expanse is through 'thrust gravity', which is just a spaceship under thrust, pushing up against the soles of your feet as it CONSTANTLY ACCELERATES. When you see a ship with engines burning, it's accelerating (or decelerating, which is just a minus sign in front of your acceleration). So within that ship, the crew feels like they are experiencing gravity. The writers did make an assumption that 'space fusion drives' in the future were way more efficient than the non-existent ones that we have now, heh. So ships generally cruise along under some acceleration. I recall that 1/3 g is a common value, and is well tolerated by Earthers, Martians, and Belters. A direct effect of the above information is that Expanse ships are built like skyscrapers, 'down' is always towards the engines, and decks are all perpendicular to the direction of acceleration. They are NOT built like ocean liners, as are often depicted in other shows with 'magic gravity generators'. Expanse ships accelerate till they hit the half way point of their trip, flip, and decelerate the last half of the trip, providing a nice familiar gravity experience for their crew for the majority of the journey. The Donnager was accelerating all through the episode, providing thrust gravity for its crew, and incidentally allowing the show to be mostly filmed on Earth (as you said) without costing a ton of money. But at specific times, the main engines were off, and the ship's contents were in zero g. It's easier to see on re-watch, but they usually cut to an exterior shot of the ship starting up or shutting down its engines right before the transition happens. Gravity changes and transitions are literally a part of the set, and the plot, in a way. The first time the ship lost gravity was right before Shed was killed, the pilot said "the main drive is overloading, we have to shut it down", and then stuff happened, and then they powered it back up, and the bubble of blood above Shed's body fell to the floor. The other notable lapse of gravity was during the catwalk dash. Lopez told them to turn their mag boots off before they ran for the gunship, so they could run faster, and the ship was under acceleration at the time. But then, Murphy's law, and part way to the little ship, the big ship's drive cut out, and you get Naomi and Holden floating up off the catwalk. That whole set-up was so we could see how clever Holden hooked himself and Naomi together with a loose tether, kicked her upwards, so he would be pushed downward (Newton's third law). Once he hit the catwalk, he activated his grav boots, and reeled her in. They sure were lucky not to be hit by all those bullets flying around them, eh? The show does 'give in' sometimes to the demands of drama, or maybe expediency, but overall, it's head and shoulders above anything else I have ever seen in the SF domain. There are youtube interviews etc where they go over the music, lighting, cinematography, and other production-value stuff... but there might be spoilers in there, so, maybe later. Finally, about Shed, the lore has it that The Expanse was originally a tabletop RPG before it was a set of novels and then a video series. Unfortunately, the real-world guy who ran one of the party characters had to bow out of the game, so they wrote his character out of the story in a dramatic fashion.

[@catch-uppackets2664]

Very informative and well written! We’re loving the show so far.

[@kleingrrmpf]

Actually, it wasn't a table-top RPG it was an internet-based forum RPG, but that's basically the same ^^

[@detrix42]

Your reaction to Shed losing his head was enjoyable. Hold on to your seats. This show just gets better and better, episode to episode, season to season. The Expanse is now my all time favorite sci-fi TV series.

[@belinda35_77]

"Drives out" = no gravity. Gravity = acceleration or spin.

[@jamesholland5761]

Simple and informative! 😁

[@RocketToTheMoose]

"Up" in a ship in this show is toward the nose. "Down" is toward the engines. If the engines are on the ship is accelerating, then you have gravity. If they are off, the ship is coasting then you are in 0g. Think of the forces you feel when an elevator first starts moving up. That bit of extra heaviness is a feeling of gravity caused by the elevator's initial acceleration. On a ship in space, with no friction, that acceleration continues as long as the engines are on.

[@kaipoh265]

"Skyscraper" ship design is the norm in The Expanse. Lots of floors oriented so that the engines are "down."

[@LeeCarlson]

"Sling-shot racing" is a Belter sport where the idea is to take a rocket with minimal engines (usually just maneuvering thrusters) and use the gravity-wells from planets/moons/dwarf planets to generate velocity going to the shortest trip times between two pre-selected targets.

[@busanbhoy2161]

Gravity - under thrust (pushed into floor)...no thrust - no gravity (mag boots)

[@guthixisdead]

I like to take it as, there is still sound in space, It’s just that there’s no medium for it to travel through. So when you hear stuff, it’s like you’re hearing the sound from on board, as if a mic is imbedded in the walls of the objects you see or are just hearing from the inside perspective of them. And yup, it’s for television… sometimes it just helps and is cool to have some sound. Although after watching the show For All Mankind where they interestingly usually go full silence in space scenes, it could be done. It has its own kind of suspense. Glad y’all are liking the show. If you like it now, hoo boy! You’ll love it later for sure.

[@snarflcat6187]

No Spoilers: The Turbulence was from that Gigantic Nuclear Explosion of the largest battleship in the Martian Navy self destructing. Remember all the turbulence and debris blasted out from an expanding sphere from the wreck of the Cant as well? Same concept. All the atmosphere and mass that used to be a battleship turns into expanding plasma. I also like that it contracted back into itself Just a bit at the end of the initial blast. Shipboard gravity. As has been mentioned, all ship gravity on Expanse is Thrust-Based. Simple physics. Acceleration equals gravity. Engines die, gravity stops. Of course constant thrust equals an ever increasing velocity...so math needs to be done. When they're half way to their destination they flip-n-burn to DEcelerate the rest of their flight... And, just like acceleration, DEceleration Also causes a gravity-like effect. Gravity goes wibbly-wobbly during the flip part. The rest of the flight, yr back to having gravity again.

[@ginganinjav5220]

Shipboard gravity, aka thrust gravity--"down" is the "back" of the ship, where the engines are located. (Just to put some more detail here) in the Expanse, most ships travel at a constant acceleration of 0.3 g (especially for martians and belters), though earthers may fly at 1 g. The way this works is that at the half-way point (roughly) of each journey, the ship "flips," turning it's engines towards the destination and then fires the engines at the same rate as previous, deaccelerating at the same rate as the accelerated, equating a similar force of thrust gravity within the ship. In this episode, when we saw scenes with 0g, it was always when the Donnager's engines were off, or disabled. The Martian interrogator (Lopez) activated his mag boots on the bridge early, because he was prepared for potential thrust loss should the engine's be disabled in the coming fight.

[@galadballcrusher8182]

not "all ship gravity" is thrust based...That mormon ship has enough mass and a rotating midle section to create rotational gravity even when ship isn't moving

[@snarflcat6187]

@@galadballcrusher8182 "That Mormon ship" has far less mass than Eros...which in turn has far less mass than Ceres...which has far less mass than Luna. It only has noticeable gravity (literally scientifically described as "fictional gravity" because its centrifugal based) when her drum is spinning. (Or when under thrust). Furthermore even then there is no real gravity (things not in.contact with the "floor" will STILL float, and the center of the ship is STILL zero-G). ((On a interesting side-note: one topic they avoid in The Expanse is how the 90 degree difference between the direction of thrust-gravity vs spin-gravity would be handled on the Nauvoo. I don't know if its covered in the books. The interior of the Command Deck seemed a bit spherical on the inside...so I wonder if it was designed to rotate 90 degrees to accommodate that?))

[@ginganinjav5220]

@@galadballcrusher8182 Spoilers for season 4 sorta? . . . . . That is true. The Edward Israel above Illus also had a centrifuge built in. The thing is, then you need to add a centrifuge system (as with the Nauvoo/Behemoth/Medina station), and that's quite complicated/expensive. Generally easier to ignore that and build for thrust gravity (why would you ever not want your ship under thrust while traveling?)

[@ginganinjav5220]

@@snarflcat6187 Spoilers . . . . . . The Nauvoo is laid out with the drum in the middle, which is the only part of the ship that has centerfuge-generated gravity. The rest of the ship (including the bridge and the reactor control) is laid out in-line with the engines as "down." We even directly see characters transition between these 2 sections of the ship when Holden, Naomi, and Drummer are attempting to take the Behemoth's reactor offline: They begin in the drum riding the elevator, get out, Holden tosses a grenade into the elevator, then the pass through a glass door into what appears to be a rotating hallway (actually, the drum they were in before was rotating, this hallway/shaft leads directly into engineering/reactor control). As soon as they enter the hallway, they free-float down into reactor control, having left the drum's spin gravity. Sorry for the mess of words lol

[@captainblood7146]

All Expanse ships are tower blocks, so being pushed forward by thrust you'll get your gravity. Fixed space stations work on rotation and large moons or astroids work on mass with some having rotation.

[@snarflcat6187]

Remember how LITTLE gravity the astronauts had while on the Moon? How they had to lope instead of walk bc the gravity was so low? And that even despite their heavy spacesuits. So, the Moon is 20% Earth mass, its one of the four largest non-planetary bodies in the Sol System. So imagine how much LESS gravity there would be on Eros or Ceres. A simple high-jump would see you in space. So everything smaller than Ganymede requires spin to bring them up to 1/3 G, which is Belter Standard. Sidenote: Tycho Inc got its start spinning up asteroids for habitation. That required them building giant engines, more powerful than ANY ship engines ever made... That's why the Mormons contracted them to build the Nauvoo, it would need engines that size.

[@TArnoldFerguson]

Okay, no yelling, but you do have to be careful about talking over the dialog. This show is incredibly detail-oriented - almost every line of dialog is important, if not in the immediate episode, then in later ones...even in later seasons. S1, S4, S5, and S6 (not yet released) have 10 episodes each. S2 and S3 have 13 episodes each. There is no artificial gravity. When the engines are on and the ships are accelerating, the thrust provides the "gravity." Remember in the first episode they did a "flip and burn." Ships accelerate for the first have of the trip, then flip and burn to decelerate for the second half.

[@Vaultboy-ke2jj]

Holden kicked Naomi because any action causes an equal and opposite reaction. So he went in the opposite direction allowing him to use his magboots and then pull Naomi back via tether

[@dapeach06]

They weren't exposed to the vacuum of space, there was a lot of air in that ship, and the air was evacuating at the actual speed that it would move, not the insane, inaccurate, speed and pressure that most movies portray depressurization as. And no, exposure to vacuum doesn't cause your body to rip apart or expand, our bodies are pretty sturdy, and if you dive down 10m into water and back up, you experience the same pressure change as going from atmosphere to vacuum (in reverse). There will be people exposed to vacuum in this show, and it portrays it as accurately as possible

[@squaddie67]

"Kid, she's talking about missiles" Nope. A big rock at the right velocity will definitely ruin your day.

[@billross7245]

They are very consistent showing when they are under thrust and producing gravity and when the engines cut out and they're on the float. They even subtley rock the camera from side to show zero g.

[@RocketToTheMoose]

A person won't explode or come apart if exposed to vacuum. Our internal pressure just isn't enough to do that. They would probably lose consciousness in some seconds, possibly suffer the bends from nitrogen bubbling out of the blood, and then die from lack of oxygen. Eventually they would freeze solid, but since vacuum is a perfect insulator, it would actually take a little while despite space being close to absolute zero.

[@catch-uppackets2664]

So you’re telling me Avenue 5 lied to me???

[@RocketToTheMoose]

@@catch-uppackets2664 Yep. You can go all the way back to 2001: A Space Odessey in 1968 to see it done right.

[@catch-uppackets2664]

What about the cowardly dude who gets spaced in Sunshine? That one seems pretty accurate, or does he still freeze too quickly

[@snarflcat6187]

This is true. Recent science has changed the Hollywood narrative. One thing, if holding your breath, your lungs might burst. Or if you already had a thorasic wound (such as a gunshot to the belly) your guts -might- vacuate your corpus.

[@RocketToTheMoose]

@@snarflcat6187 Not even that recent, as at least one person was accidentally exposed to vacuum in an Apollo spacesuit test and survived with minimal injury.

[@artboymoy]

Fun vid guys. This episode got me hooked. Pieces started falling together and lots of action and drama! DON'T TELL ME NOT TO ALL CAPS! YOU'RE NOT MY BOSS! :)

[@LordTelperion]

Hehehe, they have all these pictures of ships on the wall and they didn't know what "scuttle" means. ;) So young, so fresh! Love it! Sorry to be patronizing, love the reactions!

[@jamesholland5761]

Good reaction! The drug that the Martians took while interrogating Holden and crew was a focus drug. Try to remember there are no wasted lines or scenes in this show. There scene with Chrisjen and her grandson on the roof talking about shooting stars is very important. She said " I worry about people who throw rocks " Can't wait for the next one!

[@LeeCarlson]

Scuttle: 1: to cut a hole through the bottom, deck, or side of (a ship) specifically: to sink or attempt to sink by making holes through the bottom. 2: destroy, wreck also: scrap sense 2. scuttle.

[@DarkChaos87]

The only reason why there's technically no sound in space, is because the molecules that inhabit space, are so spread out that they can't vibrate and interact with each other to carry the sound waves like they do within an atmosphere. Sound is still emitted, but the only way to hear it, is to be right up against the object that's creating the sound. Although... I think they did a good job portraying the silence of space and keeping the sounds subtle and muffled, to give that feeling of a vast ocean of nothing.

[@snarflcat6187]

Shed turned into a ketchup packet in this ep. One that got stepped on.

[@scottdorfler2551]

I think a lot more people would love the Expanse if they would watch through episode 4. I loved the show from episode 1, but I was hooked after CQB!!!

[@billross7245]

The Donnager's crew's last words. "This ain't no video game." For the Martian flag ship the crew was green with just simulator training. Captain Yeow's main experience was against Belter pirates in basically rickety rust buckets. After this, the MCRN should rethink their personnel experience level and tactics. Leaving your Flagship unprotected without support was just insane in any scenario.

[@ginganinjav5220]

I mean technically they had a Corvette class Frigate for support. I always wonder how the fight would have gone down should the Tachi have engaged the stealth ships with the Donnager. Considering that the Donny took out 4/6 of the Stealths before they were boarded, and the other 2 went down when the Donny was scuttled, could the Tachi's added pdc defences have meant that the Donnager could have held out better? My take is that the Donnager would have taken less damage from the torpedos, but once in railgun range the Tachi (not expecting railguns on enemies that small) would have be destroyed very quickly. Also, yes, unsupported Donnager (not deploying the Tachi) was bad tactics, but keep in mind that at this state in the show's timeline, there has never been a capital ship vs capital ship fight. Ever. And the Donnager class of battleship is known to be the most terrifying warship ever created. Accepted knowledge was that nothing, *nothing* could stand up to it. So yes, Mars was overconfident, but perhaps, given the events of the show's universe, not unduly so. (Also, in the expanse, accepted science is that it's more efficient to have less larger ships than more smaller ships, simply for a resources standpoint, including for reaction mass, and therefore the military (and civilian corporations) build less but bigger.

[@billross7245]

@@ginganinjav5220It's similar to aircraft carriers which have fighter and bomber jets but the carrier is always protected by other warships. I'd be surprised If that changes in the future. Even with the jamming, even Tycho station saw that there was trouble, so where were the other Martian ships?

[@ginganinjav5220]

@@billross7245 In fairness, they were, I assume, on their way. The UNN had a battleship on route, ETA 2 days when shit started going down. Space is FUCKING HUGE.

[@Irfan87]

Cant wait for them to get to the space battles. Arguably the best and most realistic ones around.

[@billross7245]

There is no sound in space, but remember, there is also no music in space. As a director once said, sounds in space come from the same place as the music.

[@PhilMasters]

I gather that CQB (Close-Quarters Battle) is a term commonly used in military and police training in our world. It’s about shoot-outs at close range.

[@LeeCarlson]

As long as you don't hold your breath, human skin is actually a pretty fine grade of leather (think of a football) so you won't burst. However, you only have the oxygen in your bloodstream to feed your brain, and as such you have between 60 and 90 seconds before you pass out, and brain damage will ensue. Also, if you are in a vacuum, you won't "freeze" until the last of your core heat radiates out of your body, though liquids like saliva, tears, etc. will "boil" away due to the lack of pressure.

[@Vaultboy-ke2jj]

You will pass out much quicker than 60 to 90 seconds. It’s actually 15 to 30

[@LeeCarlson]

@@Vaultboy-ke2jj It depends on the level of oxygenation in your bloodstream.

[@Vaultboy-ke2jj]

@@LeeCarlson that it does, but a normal person who has breathed out (and we both know what episode that is) will only have the oxygen in their blood. The guy who had the accident in the 60s passed out within 15 seconds and he hadn’t exhaled

[@LeeCarlson]

@@Vaultboy-ke2jj, he did not "intentionally" exhale. However, pressure being what it is, his lungs emptied (and were damaged). Keep in mind that after three hundred years of evolutionary pressures people like the Belters will have developed bodies that process oxygen more efficiently once it is in the bloodstream.

[@Vaultboy-ke2jj]

@@LeeCarlson he? It’s a woman… the episode “Oyedeng” There hasn’t been 300 years of evolution. We know it has been 137 years since the creation of the Epstein drive which allowed for the settlement of the belt. That’s not long enough

[@davidf5097]

CQB = cold quart of beer

[@pUTPOCKETRY]

I'm not gonna yell, but I'm yelling in my heart.

[@Yesquire0]

That guy's name is easy to remember (now): He's "Headless Shed". The binder glued to cover the rail gun slug hole has a name on the cover "MCRN Emergency Procedures Manual".

[@Awol991]

Alas poor Shed. He lost his head and now is dead.

[@artboymoy]

Shed's dead, baby. Shed's dead.

[@snarflcat6187]

@@artboymoy All The Upvotes. (From someone who DOES have a pot-belly.)

[@billross7245]

And a hundred years later, with a good scope, you can still see Shed's head speeding into the big empty.

[@Yesquire0]

@@billross7245 In the spirit of the scientific accuracy that is the hallmark of this fine show, I must note that the large, high velocity tungsten railgun slug would have obliterated Shed's head. I don't think anybody has ever conducted a scientific study of the effect such a slug would have on a human head, although Kim Jong Un has conducted ongoing studies of the effect of anti-aircraft machine guns on the human body, albeit not under the sort of controlled scientific standards that could be expected to yield meaningful data on the subject. But I think it is still safe to say that nothing but lots of itty-bitty pieces of Shed's head are now travelling through the reaches of fictional outer space trailing that slug and glowing pink in the light of Sol until they leave the solar system.

[@RaoulKunz1]

Okay, gravity... the all and everything influencing factor in The Expanse (and in real space that is). First the ships: they have thrust gravity and that's it, if the vessel is not under thrust, there's no gravity naturally and so ships are build like skyscrapers, they are "sideways" relative to the direction of travel. Put differently they always go "up" ;). Tycho station and some others you'll later see of course can't accelerate otherwise they'd go *somewhere* , which is not the point of *station* of course, so there's the classic rotational gravity, remember *2001* ? Then there's how you go from *a* to *b* in space: You accelerate in direction of *b* from your start at *a* , then go on the float without acceleration, saves fuel, even with *Epstein drives* (more on that in the series later) and go half the way to *b* then turn the vessel around and decelerate to your aim (that is: fly backwards slowing down) so you come to zero acceleration relative to your aim and voila, you're there (minus parking manoeuvres with the vectored thrust). Now if you have to stop on the way, you have to turn the vessel around and do a breaking acceleration (EP01 when everyone gets drugged up) until you reach 0 and then accelerate towards your point aim and *then* stop, relative to target (remember nothing ever ever stands still in space, just relative to other objects) - costs time and time is money... Now imagine having to keep al these things in mind while in *combat* , need to manoeuvre, people shooting at you (more on that later) and you have opened a whole new can of worms. And here's a thing about combat: there's the minor fact that once you reach a certain proximity to your target you won't be able to dodge railgun rounds any-more because it's *too short a time* to do so and even closer in in chemically accelerated rounds (read: normal machine guns) will also get to you too fast to avoid... For the same reasons torpedoes and missiles are useless once you're in *CQB* because they can't accelerate fast enough without some distance to do so to avoid the point defence guns (which are brutal weapons at close distance against anything anyway, not just for PD use, the Martian ones go through a thousand rounds of 30mm tungsten cored bullets in a minute...and even a minor light frigate sports 5 of those...). It's all a very complicated, complex and absolutely beautiful ballet of destruction, intuition, ballistics, brute force and mathematics^^. It's not the Star Trek way of fighting it out at spitting distance with phewphew and zapp... Best regards Raoul G. Kunz

[@TomCarrell1]

All the comments on thrust gravity are correct. You will also notice that in most all normal circumstances ships are under thrust -- either to speed up or slow down. Otherwise, it would take even longer to get around the solar system "on the float."

[@TomBagwell]

Interesting reaction! Just a few comments. "Belters are long-limbed". In general, but it's hard to find that many actors that fit, so they show the occasional Belter who matches that description. Miller's a belter, but not particularly tall. You only have gravity on a spinning station or a ship under thrust. No ship has enough mass for noticeable gravity. If the ship loses thrust, it loses gravity. That's when they use magboots. Slingshotters usually plot their orbits to pass really close to planets like Jupiter or Saturn in order to build up really high velocity. An extreme sport. It might involve Jovian moons or the gas giants themselves. Bizi got too close to Saturn and burned up.

[@TehIdiotOne]

Amos is awesome, but i'm not sure i'd describe him as having a heart of hold ;)

[@mehlev]

I'm really loving these reactions (I love this show so much), and your pretty far along in the series so I'm sure you've realized this by now .. but don't try to think you're smarter than the science in this show lol it's a losing battle. PS this is not meant to read mean - when I first watched this show, I'd eyeroll at some things. Then I started googling the rationale behind certain scenes and I gained a huge respect for the effort that went into this show. Can't wait to see your journey moving forward!!

[@elroysez8333]

In this show, sound in space was a conscious choice by the producers. The Expanse sticks to real space realism wherever possible and tried space sequences without sound and found it lacked the drama they were looking for. So, they relented and added it for dramatic effect.

[@catch-uppackets2664]

We figured as much, but we had to get our nerd credit by noticing that it isn’t technically accurate ;)

[@syngyne]

@@catch-uppackets2664 When asked where the sound in space is coming from, one of the authors replied that the sound comes from the same place the background music does.

[@pamelahofman1785]

@@syngyne That's so funny! Thanks for mentioning it!

[@adembroski]

As long as we're explaining the science... One of the things they actually do get wrong in this show is Ceres Station. Ceres Station is basically an inverted pyramid dig into the surface of Ceres. The dwarf planet was "spun up" using huge rockets in order to overcome it's natural gravity and replace it with spin gravity, and the inhabitants are standing on what you'd think of as the ceiling, their feet facing the surface of Ceres, their heads toward the core. This is why the airlocks are on the floor. In truth this is highly inaccurate because enough centripetal force to overcome the gravity of a body would naturally tear it apart.

[@LeeCarlson]

As they said last episode, the MCRN Donnager is the Flagship of Mars' Jupiter Fleet.

[@LeeCarlson]

The rounds being fired by all of the combatants are frangible, designed for penetrating fabric (like Belter spacesuits) not heavier material (Martian armor/ship's hulls/etc.), unlike the 15mm tungsten rounds that are fired by a ship's Point Defense Cannons.

[@Yesquire0]

You are a stop light. It turns green. You tromp on the gas pedal because you are young and stupid. The acceleration pushes you back in your seat. You are on The Donager. The engines kick on. You are standing on a deck which is oriented perpendicular to the thrust of the engine. The acceleration continues while the engine continue to create and apply force. Your feet are pinned to the floor by thrust gravity. When the ship is not under acceleration (engine stops), you will tend to float off the floor if you happened to be pushing against the floor at the time to defeat the thrust gravity and run. "CQB" is an acronym for "Close Quarter Battle".

[@rodentnolastname6612]

The drug was "focus drugs", space Adderall. Heightens awareness to read subtle body language.

[@Thleepricon]

Great reaction, and good discussion! excited to follow you guys on the amazing journey 'The Expanse' offers.

[@ryanhampson673]

If we are going full realism here, when the rail gun projectile shot through the compartment it would have killed everyone in it..The sheer velocity of the round would have created a shockwave and superheated the air inside that room, basically liquifying everyone inside....It's how sabot anti tank rounds work in a way...A small very fast dart punches a hole and in a confined space the pressure wave from the round splats anything inside...But still The Expanse is my favorite show.

[@davidf5097]

Scuttle is a nautical term where a captain sinks his own ship to prevent it falling into the hands of pirates or other enemies. A suicide move.

[@catch-uppackets2664]

Makes sense; I inferred that was the meaning from the events of the episode. My only previous context for it is from playing Twilight Imperium

[@artboymoy]

Obviously they have never seen The Hunt for Red October. That's where I first heard the term. I recommend it as a reaction video if you want more content.

[@snarflcat6187]

@@catch-uppackets2664 OK You guys just leveled up for being TI players. Have you tried v4? Shaves off a good hr of playtime. I design boardgames. Maybe you'd like to playtest my super complex fantasy intrigue-builder when I have PT copies?

[@catch-uppackets2664]

​@@snarflcat6187 Haven't tried v4, we have our same trusty v3 set that we've had forever. We haven't played for a while and only did once or twice a year, it's hard to find time for that game. I'm not sure Nate's ever played it but I have a group of buddies who very much enjoy a good game of TI.

[@ericc.6255]

The episode that hooked me! You have to read the books…Amazing

[@bejanked]

Shout out for the Outer Wilds shirt!

[@artboymoy]

What is your cat's name? I keep thinking it's a small cow with it's pattern. It's adorable.

[@catch-uppackets2664]

His name is Angus for that very reason! And yes I know it’s a Holstein pattern and Angus cows are all black, but Holstein is not a good name for a cat :)

[@Awol991]

No shields. Not silly, the shields can't hold drama. Just holes in the hull.

[@galadballcrusher8182]

plus more realistic

[@GlassCurtain]

As far as gravity, every time they were weightless on the Donni they showed shots of the ships main drives shutting down. The acceleration of the main drives gives them artificial gravity. Each time you see the crew in zero g is when they have to cut the engines during the battle. That's when they have to use their mag boots.

[@scottdorfler2551]

Not to mention we're introduced to the Roci in this episode

[@Reedstilt]

Regarding Jonathan Banks, I'm just going to point out that he's the only notable member of the Canterbury crew who didn't get a name. Even in the subtitles and credits, he's only referred to as "XO / Executive Officer", the rank that Holden inherits from him.

[@rodentnolastname6612]

May not have been a meteor shower, could be normal shuttle traffic re-entering earth's atmosphere.

[@ezrawyrd9275]

We've already got quite a bit of trash in orbit today, I figure in a couple of hundred years there'd be enough junk up there that stuff would be constantly burning up on reentry

[@LeeCarlson]

The gravity provided by the ships under drive is (usually) that of Mars, which humans have no trouble with and Belters can tolerate. Higher levels of thrust produce heavier gravity. Notice that you see microgravity affecting characters when the ship's drive is shut off.

[@arkadyfolkner]

Lopez was an interesting character, he also knew when he ordered max burn that he wouldn't survive thar high g burn with his extensive injuries

[@catch-uppackets2664]

Did Lopez die? I did not see that.

[@arkadyfolkner]

@@catch-uppackets2664 'it would have been nice to have seen an ocean on Mars'

[@dennistomsen5822]

@@arkadyfolkner Slightly spoilery, man 😉

[@rodentnolastname6612]

No "artificial gravity". You get pseudo gravity by accelerating the ship a 1g or you spin a big wheel or barrel for centrifugal force.

[@snarflcat6187]

Not just 1G. ANY G. Usually 1/3 G is Ship Standard. At 1G Naomi and possibly Alex would quickly develop cardiac problems.

[@rodentnolastname6612]

@@snarflcat6187 yeah Belters would tend to push between 1/10 and 1/3 g. Otherwise they'll gel couch, juice up for a hard, short burn at 2-3g then coast "on the float" for most of the journey.

[@scottdorfler2551]

The fusion torch engines on the Expanse are capable of constant acceleration. If a ship accelerated at 9.8 meters per second sqaured it would be indistinguishable from Earth gravity. The ships in the Expanse are like buildings. Think of it as putting engines under a skyscraper. This makes far more sense than most sci-fi where the decks run from bridge to engines.

[@dennistomsen5822]

38:49 Spot on 😁

[@johnjungkook2721]

They don't have artificial gravity - it's thrust gravity, so that's why they start floating when the ship powers down

[@bobriemersma]

I've read the books and I don't get the hype. They are almost a rough draft for the show, where things were cleaned up a lot. And I'm speaking as one who normally prefers books over their screen adaptations.

[@LeeCarlson]

Because of living where they do (inside a fragile bubble floating in space), Belters treat life as cheap, and when you have the opportunity to make a butt-load of money by surviving, you go for it.

[@LeeCarlson]

Remember that when Havelock left Miller when the riot started he was headed down to check on his friend, the Belter sex worker, and Miller is just jaded enough NOT to call him to check up on him.

[@IanM92]

Idk if you were being sarcastic, but Amos threatened to throw Holden into space in episode 2 and said the only reason he didn’t is because Naomi wouldn’t like it. He definitely doesn’t have a heart of gold.

[@snarflcat6187]

... POSSIBLE LIGHT SPOILER ... Amos DOES...only where children are involved. And possibly Best Friends In The Whole World.

[@axlm.808]

No force shield, no artificial gravity, just this good old Newton Big ships and stations (like Tycho) can generate rotationnal gravity by making turn at least a part of them. Other crafts use thrust to produce gravity. Those ships are organized like buildings, with the mains thrusters at the "bottom" During the escape, Holden and Naomi experience loss of gravity as the engines cut down. Holden tethered Naomi and kicked her up gor him to go down, reach the catwalk and pull her back at him Also, Bizi Betiko (the real one) died because he tried to go to close to Jupiter in order to gain maximum acceleration and slingshot himself to the next target Gravity is a bitch, it can save you or kill you depending pof the situation As for Havelock, he survived because the rod stayed in his chest, managing to keep the blood inside by maintaining pressure on the wound No magic, just hard science (for now...)

[@Vaultboy-ke2jj]

All ship drives in the show are blue, it’s the extremely hot plasma burning, nothing to do with the blue thing from the very beginning

[@busanbhoy2161]

Sligshoter was going for record around Jovian moons - i assume bets are time and success related?

[@LeeCarlson]

The space battles only get better. And Shed's head was removed by the 30mm tungsten round from a railgun.

[@Wicketor]

yes this is how physics works

[@8301TheJMan]

Love your reaction guys!

[@markwood6056]

We see a reason why Holden and not Naomi is better Command personal. Naomi is insanely smart, and a extremely gifted engineer. But at this point she would think save herself, and she would leave everyone. Holden (outside of the initial shock of the Cant's destruction) is about how do we save the group. Amos might try and go back for Namoi but hat would be it. Alex is unknown at this point.

[@emwungarand]

It's good that y'all ask questions but you're talking over dialogue that is explaining something else that you're going to miss and have to ask more questions about minutes later.

[@adembroski]

Yes. Chrisjen. Very tricky :p

[@LeeCarlson]

The human brain uses sound cues to inform us that things are going past really fast. Otherwise, the series pays strict homage to there being no sound-conducting medium in space which is why spacesuit chatter sounds hollow, particularly when the radios are turned off and the characters are touching helmets to talk to one another.

[@DrEsky914]

The books are fabulous and I have read most of them several times. The TV series does amazing justice to the books but the books also have a lot of detail in them about the physics of space and culture of the Belt.

[@rodentnolastname6612]

Something subtle that destroying The Canterbury and decapitation Shed. It removes plot armor from the cast. Adds real tension. Our plucky heros may not make it safe in the end.

[@CamillaDrakenborg]

One thing I find funny with reactioners & the spike in the chest scene is that most always goes it seems unlikely or Sure jan! but when looking at other action movies or shows people can fall from tall buildings only to jump up & run & people say nothing lol There are tons of stories & photos of people that survived similar, even one that got one trough its head for ex so its funny how in a show that kinda thrives of realism, is one of those that gets the "unlikely" scenario :) Just an observation

[@Vaultboy-ke2jj]

The lights in the helmets is purely just for tv, would be a terrible idea in reality

[@EvilAnomaly]

No desire to read the books here. I'm sure they're great but I enjoy visually seeing what the story is all about along with the great acting and music that just can't be achieved in a book.

[@CodyTaylor115]

It's definitely a different experience but the show is ending in season 6 and there are still 3 more books after that. That said the ending of the show will still be pretty good if not leaving a few threads. But those last three boooks man on man i cant recommend them enough!! Well the first two at least the 9th book releases at the end of the year

[@AzkuulaKtaktu]

Thrust gravity, yall.

[@bobriemersma]

You guys would have been a little more up to speed if you had watched "The Last Ship" first. It's a sort of "Star Trek on the high seas" TV series.

[@catch-uppackets2664]

Never heard of that before! I’ll take a look

[@LeeCarlson]

Her name is Chrisjen Avarsarela.

[@CodyTaylor115]

As for the books the show is going to be ending in season 6 and there will be three more books that aren't covered by the show so you will be hard pressed to not dive into them after you finish the show of course :) as for not liking to read audiobooks are a great resource in that regard :) highly recommend

[@catch-uppackets2664]

I listen to audiobooks, currently 75% of the way through The Three Body Problem and I like it a lot

[@vorpalrobot]

"maximum burn" Lopez ordered his own death. At those g's all his guts came out that hole.

[@AzkuulaKtaktu]

As adaptations go, The Expanse is extremely faithful, though the plot does cut some corners. The books serve to embellish setting and character to a show-watcher, as well as explain some of the physics at play.

[@TehIdiotOne]

Season 1, Season 4 and 5 have 10 episodes, while Season 2 and 3 have 13 episodes.

[@chancefurlong372]

I hate nothing more than the hyper logisticists who watch for gotcha moments. Hyper focus on technicalities in my experience is most of the time a compensation for a lesser understanding of narrative psychology and a sense of EQ deficiency in general.

[@Psycorde]

Zero G Neckblood

[@sallyshipwreck4315]

Havelock Havelock Havelock!

[@cptwhite]

"I worry about people who throw rocks".........

[@catch-uppackets2664]

This comment feels like it’s treading towards spoiler territory? Please be careful :)

[@snarflcat6187]

@@catch-uppackets2664 Ill stick up for cptwhite. Its nothing mote than a comment from Avasarala you already heard. As to why it got brought up? It was only to let you know in no uncertain terms that everything in this show is said for a reason.

[@rijlqanturis625]

Good god the constant nitpicking of the science is getting old. It's a TV show guys. Liberties are taken.

[@Metro498]

The Indian women is the queen earth or (s1-s3) Deputy Undersecretary of the United Nations Her Excellency, Chrisjen Avasarala. Played by Shohreh Aghdashloo. Remember her words on the roof. “I worry about people who throw rocks.” Nearly every word spoken in this has important information as the story arc move forward. Now, you guys are hooked. You just don’t know it yet. Keep watching.

[@LeeCarlson]

Chrisjen Avarsarela recognizes that it is possible Belters or Martians might use thrusters to throw asteroids like the "dinosaur killer" at Earth.

[@murciadoxial8056]

Also, on a craziness scale of 1 to 10 you guys aren't even at a 0.5 in this show... buckle up.

[@paullytle3014]

Had to stop watching. You 2 sure know how to bring down the joy factor of that episode.

[@Kennia1998]

"i worry about people who throw rocks" remember that line

[@frodomolecule779]

Stop telling people you read the comments, when you clearly don't.. Otherwise you would known exactly what that drug was!

[@catch-uppackets2664]

I monitor all the comments, Nate doesn’t see as many of them but does see some. And we watched this episode before we had posted episode 3 and a bajillion people had told us what the focus drug is. The tone of your comment came off a little hostile, not sure if that was intended. Thanks for watching!

[@CodyTaylor115]

Man you should know the drill when it comes to reactions they usually watch an episode or more before releasing the video you comment on. Unbunch your panties and enjoy the reaction lol

[@belinda35_77]

Hahaha I love your username and avi!!

[@ezrawyrd9275]

@@catch-uppackets2664 a lot of expanse fans are a bit lacking in social graces. It's rarely malicious, but is occasionally obnoxious

[@dennistomsen5822]

@@ezrawyrd9275 Huh?