Fishing Knot Lubrication | Does adding Knot Lube actually help? | Monofilament | Episode 1 of 3

[@teambreakpoint288]

Awesome informative video Warren, and indeed an age old question! Excellent job, title sequence, transitions and even the little labels on the cups! Lol. ;)

[@toitfishing]

Yeah the cups my wife helped me with, lol. Glad you enjoyed the content. Who would have thought Lypsyl could improve the Palomar knot that much. Tight lines.

[@isabelladutoit05]

I was wondering about this and am shocked by the results, very interesting...

[@toitfishing]

Glad you enjoyed it.

[@nrobertsaus]

Great results!

[@toitfishing]

Thank you ATeam-Dev, appreciate the feedback. It was interesting to see how different knots behave differently with various lubricants, and can actually improve there performance by a lot on certain knots.

"Episode 1 of 3" I am unable to find the other 2 episodes. Would you happen to have the link for it?

[@toitfishing]

Hi Ben, I have not had time to follow these up yet, so apologies for that. Tightlines

[@PeterRanieriII]

Hey, can't stop watching all your videos, I'm such a nerd for this stuff like you too :) So do you think the lubricant helps only during the cinching process to prevent damage by hand tightening or it is actually preventing some damage to the standing end during the pull test? I wonder because if it's helping the latter, this may not come into play after your knot has been rinsed and retrieved through the water from fishing.

[@toitfishing]

Hi Peter, this test would mainly check your initial statement. Basically does putting saliva or anything else protect your knot while cinching up. I tend to tighten all my knots with a pair of bars also, hand tightening allows for to many inconsistencies and slippage and movement. The equipment I am using is very sensitive to any change in the load. The slightest movement within a knot is very easily identifiable, with a dip in the load. As soon as you get this movement with any increase in load the knot typically fails, damage is done. Now on some knots like the Clinch knot movement does not always cause failure as the tag end might allow it some grace depending on the length of the tag as its a very forgiving knot but on the other hand is prone to slipping. So yes there may be some protection after the the dip in load(or knot movement) but it would be hard to give an exact amount as each knot moves and behaves differently. Tightlines and thx for this interesting question, might even try add this into future content, so thank you.

[@PeterRanieriII]

@@toitfishing thank you so much for the detailed and thorough response, I am learning so much from you and your videos. It is so fascinating how the movement within the knot is what typically causes the failure. I used to think movement was good and that it was absorbing load but didn’t realize damage occurs when this happens (except for possibly clinch knot as you mention here, but it still performed worse than the others). Hey by the way, how are you testing the actual breaking strength of the line vs the manufacturer’s marketed value? Does your machine just wrap the line at either end and pull?

[@toitfishing]

@@PeterRanieriII I will put up some testing showing the line to line testing following the Blood knot, it will show you how I test all the lines. Hoping to get the Blood knot up in the next day or two.

[@PeterRanieriII]

@@toitfishing awesome, looking forward to it 👍

[@anthonydeacon881]

I'm a little surprised you didn't test a product specifically 'designed' (well, marketed, at least) for knot lubrication. Fly fishers around the world will be familiar with the late George Gehrke's 'Gink' gel fly floatant and 'Xink' (sinkant). A less well-known product from the Gehrke line-up is 'Knot Perfect'. I've used it successfully for heavier guage monofilaments (nylon and fluorocarbon). As one might expect, it seems to allow the knot to snug down more easily. I've often wondered if something scentless (like Johnson's baby oil), or natural smelling (like vegetable oil), might work well.

[@toitfishing]

Thx for the feedback, I have a few more ideas for this series of videos, I was hoping exactly for comments like this Anthony, so thank you. I will be looking at Braid and Fluoro in the same line up and then was going to put it out to my subsribers as to their recommended “lube” for their knots, looking forward to this knot series already, thx for your time thinking this thru with a lot of detail. Tightlines.

[@anthonydeacon881]

@@toitfishing BTW, I'm originally from S.Africa myself. I'm also a metallurgist, so really interested in the technical stuff. 😉

[@toitfishing]

Nice, thank you for your support, and happy to add any ideas or feedback into future content, so thank you again for the above. Baie Dankie.

[@christophercook723]

KY gel works for me.

[@toitfishing]

HA Ha, that made me smile. Have a great day.

[@christophercook723]

@@toitfishing KY is water based but l have seen one aerosol for arseholes called back door! WD40 also do a silicone spray which protects things like car door rubbers . That rubbed on with a cloth might cut down the friction and can't as a lubricant! Might also be good for knots.

[@toitfishing]

Hi Chris, thanks for the heads up, most appreciated. I actually bought some of the Silicone stuff and the new PTFE spray. That stuff is so good, wow. I managed to get a really old pair of pliers my dad gave me years ago working like new, incredible. Tightlines

[@29957fred]

Niceeee

[@toitfishing]

Thx Micheal, Tightlines.

[@brianbrigg57]

One thing that bothers me a bit is that all of the knot tests I see online are performed dry and on lines that haven't been soaked in water for a time. I would imagine that the difference would be noticeable. It would also be interesting to see testing against shock loads rather than simply having a steadily increasing load.

[@toitfishing]

Hi Brian, that’s why testing parameters for testing any sample is really important. There is a bit more detail on my website if you are interested. You do raise a good point one of which would certainly improve knot strength, 100% lubrication tested knot test, basically tested fully submerged. This would be really hard to replicate without getting any water damage to testing gear. My best guess it would certainly add strength but again I cannot back that up. Shock loads would indeed be interesting, alas my machine would definitely be to slow to test that. All the tensile test machine I have ever used are typically have slow controlled movement due to the limitations of the load test cell. Tightlines, and thanks for your feedback.

[@ShorrockPaul]

what about soapy water ?

[@christophercook723]

What about WD50 SILICONE?

[@toitfishing]

Hi Christoper, never tried it before. Take care.

[@christophercook723]

WD 40 silicone . My fingers are too large for these devices.

[@toitfishing]

Tightlines and thx for watching.