Fitting Duratec, Zetec, ST170 into classic Fords Mk1 Mk2 Escorts

[@malcolmlane-ley2044]

How refreshing that you're not trying to emulate a hyped up presenter from across the pond with your intro, well done for being natural. Good video.

[@performanceclassics1986]

Malcolm Lane-Ley Thanks Malcolm 👍

[@performanceclassics1986]

Malcolm Lane-Ley Who was the Hyped Up presenter you were meaning Malcolm??

[@sgsjake3904]

Perfect timing on this video! I’m just starting to collect parts for my RWD Zetec swap!

[@RichieRouge206]

That engine looks like a baby Barra - that’s a damn fine engine. Great video fella

[@performanceclassics1986]

RichieT5 Thanks Richie 👍

[@jritchiejritchie2687]

Good strong Cumbrian accent.. Just subbed 👍

[@performanceclassics1986]

Jritchie Jritchie Thank You 👍

[@bigeein]

Just found your channel, this is awesome. Looking forward to following your journey

[@performanceclassics1986]

Bigeein Bigeein Thank you. I will try to keep the videos coming regularly 👍

[@WOLFCARMOTORS]

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[@gregdash8517]

Really insightful video. I owned an ST170 as my first car and loved it to bits so it's really interesting to see how these engines can re-used.

[@performanceclassics1986]

Greg Dash Thanks Gregg. The engines are very popular in many different applications these days. They are good, cheap power and very easy to modify and gain top power levels.

[@DRAGONCARMK1CARIBE]

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[@simonmenzies3142]

Would you mind sharing a rough cost of a classic ford to st170 conversion. With those throttle bodies. I’m interested in getting good mpg as well as power. Which I don’t think webbers will achieve. Just the conversion ignoring the price of the engine and gearbox. So once those are bought the price to then get that running in my mk1 escort. Which currently has a 1.3 Crossflow. Many thanks

[@performanceclassics1986]

@@simonmenzies3142 Without sitting down and working out every individual price, it would be a rough guess but you will need Throttle bodies, Engine management, an exhaust system, water rail, engine mounts, a sump, Flywheel and clutch. Using decent quality parts such as retro Ford, your probably looking at around £4000-£4500 but you could do it for cheaper using cheaper parts

[@simonmenzies3142]

@@performanceclassics1986 fantastic thanks for tbe reply. It now gives me a time frame in my mind of how long to come at this over. I’ll pick up tbe wngine and gearbox. Then start on the conversion parts list. Thank you👍🏻

[@Ben-Rogue]

Would love to cram one of these in a KA, but these motors are hard to come by in NZ. Can only seem to get the basic selection of Zetecs

[@performanceclassics1986]

They would be really good in a lightweight KA. They are readily available here in the UK but somebody else did say that they are very very rare in Australia Also. I think the ST engines are only common in England and America. Not sure why really.

[@ReverseGear]

The block looks similar to the split port Ford engine. And where some of the sensors are.

[@TomMcCanny]

Retro Ford should be sponsoring this 🙂

[@performanceclassics1986]

That would have been very nice 🤣

[@matts9717]

Out of curiosity how do you run the standard ECUs?

[@performanceclassics1986]

I honestly don’t know. I would imagine there will be a lot of wiring modifications to make in removing everything that’s no longer required from the Focus and adapting the wiring to suit the classic escort

[@farfartony751]

Very good video. Helpful to me looking at maybe a Caterham.

[@heartattack7230]

escort were a great car for update it i own during 1980s a good but you have service them every six months

[@kevinparker461]

I wish i was still into building engines, built a few early 1.6 crossflows a couple of decent 2.0 Pintos & two N.A Cosworth Pinto's, but too old & knackered to do any spannering these days. Shame because this looks an exciting project. I know of an early 60s Ford Anglebox that could do with this conversion.

[@performanceclassics1986]

kevin parker That time comes to us all one day Kevin. One day i will be too old to do what i do now. Its a shame, because so many skills are lost when talented people can no longer carry on.

[@mikejunior4384]

Great video!! Thinking about doing a Zetec on a Westfield so really appreciate all the info I got from your video. Somebody know where I can find RetroFord parts in Europe (besides from UK) ?

[@performanceclassics1986]

No problem at all. Pleased to help 👍 Possibly give retro Ford a call and see if they have any European contacts for you.

[@tonybilco1317]

Great video thank you for sharing your knowledge...love the escort

[@performanceclassics1986]

Tony bilco Thanks Tony

[@nickwhitney1534]

Subscribed.👍

[@performanceclassics1986]

Nick Whitney Thank you 👍

[@chriswalker9850]

Great video, enjoyed that. looking forward to the next one & seeing this beauty finished 👍👌👌

[@performanceclassics1986]

Chris Walker Thanks Chris. Much appreciated

[@tonyaylott4114]

Craig your on a roll mate, great video as usual, keep up the good work 👍👍

[@performanceclassics1986]

Tony Aylott thanks Tony. I didnt think this video was any good and almost didn’t upload it but it seams to have got a lot of views 🤷‍♀️

[@TheShintothechin]

Brilliant video, one of the best and most helpful I’ve seen. Where are you based?

[@performanceclassics1986]

Thanks 👍 I’m based near Whitehaven in Cumbria

[@danieleltis7972]

Just found your KZbin channel and I’ve a mk2 escort with a st170 in on bike carbs, I really want to do something different with the engine as I feel it just hasn’t got the power, I looked into the throttle bodies and I just can’t justify another £2,250 on throttle bodies 🥺

[@performanceclassics1986]

Daniel Eltis I agree Daniel. Its going to break my heart to spend such money on something so small. Its a lot of money and i do understand exactly where your coming from.

[@GWAYGWAY1]

It is the problem of the electronics for the injection etc that baffles me, who can work it out for you?

[@performanceclassics1986]

Graham Dawes When your fitting them into another car from the original, the standard ford engine management is very often thrown away and you then buy a kit specific to that particular engine such as an Omex system, motorsport electronics system etc. These come with a fully labeled wiring loom telling you what each individual cable is for eg what sensor each plug fits. You can also request that the engine control unit comes with a base map which is good enough to get the car running and then a rolling road test station can fine tune the map for ignition and fuelling to ensure the car runs as smoothly as the ford engine management but they are capable of bigger power gains than with the standard engine management. Both Retro ford and motorsport electronics do a bespoke kit for the ST170 and they also cover other engines such as the Zetec, Duratec, pinto, Xflow, cosworth etc.

[@marty3469]

ST170 focus are mega rare here in Australia,(225 units) so finding a motor is more rare ! I've installed the normal blacktop Zetec in a few escorts and keep the Zetec 2.0 flywheel and clutch which has the same spline as mk2 Escort. Water rail is home made as is the sump ( I modified a tin 1600 Kent sump on one conversion)and engine mounts due to cost of importing from UK we live too far away lol. Just subbed BTW 👍

[@performanceclassics1986]

Marty they are readily available over here for not a lot of money. I wasn’t aware that they were so rare in Australia. I think they are quite common in America too. I can understand that shipping costs would make it too expensive to ship over. Its real nice to see that the mk1 and 2 escorts are so popular even as far away as Australia. Its a country i would love to visit some day.

[@marty3469]

@@performanceclassics1986 you are correct America has them named SVT Focus . Australian ST170s were all Imperial Blue 3dr with our own design spoiler kit (I used to own one when new) . Aus is very easy going place to visit , you will enjoy the car culture here as well , plenty of old Fords still about too.

[@performanceclassics1986]

Marty yeah its been no1 on my places to visit for ages. My boss has family in Aus and he visits regularly and his brother in law has Harley Davidsons and they go for trips out around Aus. I think it is a place i would like from what ive heard. I like your policies too. If you want to live in Australia, you must bring some skill level needed. Thats superb. Im definitely going to visit one day.

[@marty3469]

@@performanceclassics1986 when you visit you'll probably apply for permanent residency lol .

[@performanceclassics1986]

Marty yes the way things are going over here i bet it would be tempting 🤣

[@ShaneDD80]

I am doing up a mk1 in Australia 🇦🇺 thanks mate helps me heaps going with same setup

[@performanceclassics1986]

Really pleased it helps Shane 👍 I heard that the ST170 engines are very rare in Australia. Sounds like you’ve done really well to find one 😎

[@tomthompson7400]

very informative video , well done ,, That shell behind the engine is stunning.

[@performanceclassics1986]

tom thompson Thanks Tom. It took me over 4 years to rebuild that body shell from a complete Wreck. Paintwork is the only part of the build that i haven’t done myself.

[@tomthompson7400]

@@performanceclassics1986 stunning , totally stunning.

[@performanceclassics1986]

tom thompson Thank You 👍

[@billywhizz98]

Hi I am a newbie to your channel and found this to be a good informative video I will be following with interest

[@performanceclassics1986]

william walker Thanks William. If i had known this video would be so popular i would have included more specific detail than i did. Thanks very much for the comment 👍

[@MiniPerformance]

If you need a hand with first start on the Omex and Tb's give me a shout.

[@performanceclassics1986]

Mini Performance Thanks Richard. Appreciate that. I knew you had a lot of experience with Omex as i know Bumblebee has the omex ECU on the Dash. It will probably be early nxt year id say but you will be far more clued up than me with the software side of things 👍

[@MiniPerformance]

@@performanceclassics1986 yep ran an omex 200 on the five ports, then a 600 on the 8 port then rewired it to a dta s60 pro unit.

[@jameswilson8820]

Did you have the engine rebuilt to standard spec or ported head and cams

[@performanceclassics1986]

Its completely standard James. The head is standard too. The only upgrades ive done are ARP rod bolts, Lightened flywheel, vernier exhaust pulley and obviously it will run throttle bodies, omex management and a decent exhaust. Hoping for as close to 200bhp as possible 🤞

[@1961kickboxer]

Would the lightened flywheel decrease torque.

[@performanceclassics1986]

Steve Arnold No it Doesn’t decrease torque but it does decrease inertia as there is less weight in the flywheel.

[@pauljackson6593]

Think that is a good choice . Never rated the Pinto

[@performanceclassics1986]

Paul Jackson I do like the pinto for originality especially but i wanted something super reliable and refined to use more often than i do with my highly modified mini 🤣. That wouldnt be hard many would say 😜

[@maizetina]

Go look at Harris engines see what they do with pintos...

[@performanceclassics1986]

David Jenkins Love the Harris engines. The sound they make alone is outstanding. You can always tell when a car has a harris motor going down the strip. Very distinctive sound. Id have 1 if money was no issue.

[@pauljackson6593]

@@maizetina agreed but I don’t rate the standard pinto. Or was it just that I had a bad example ?

[@craigorford9932]

The Escort is going to look well when done.I am thinking again to buy another mk2 rs2000 custom.

[@performanceclassics1986]

Go for it Craig. Im sure you wouldn’t regret it. They are a very very nice car.

[@Микола-ф8э]

Respect from 🇺🇦Ukraine🇺🇦

[@performanceclassics1986]

Микола Thank you. Real Nice to see videos being watched so far away 😲 👍

[@coreykosoris6730]

Question,do you have any knowledge on the 2.5 duratecs? In planning on buying another ford fusion with a manual and the 2.5,trying to modify a fusion,many thanks

[@performanceclassics1986]

Corey Kosoris Hello, thanks for your comment. Unfortunately i haven’t had any experience with the Duratecs. I know they are an alloy block, have chain driven cams rather than belt driven and from what ive heard they are capable of producing big power when the engine internals are upgraded. Ive heard they are a bit more expensive to build / upgrade than the zetec motors because they are obviously more modern. Other than that, I’m sorry i cant really be of any further help with the Duratec motors.

[@coreykosoris6730]

@@performanceclassics1986 no problem the reply is appreciated,just want to have a 300hp fusion at some point,its appreciated

[@oiltec3369]

Good video pal , keep them coming , cheer's

[@performanceclassics1986]

Oil Tec Thankyou. Will do 👍

[@thegreenbean5891]

Very informative. Subbed and liked.

[@performanceclassics1986]

The GreenBean Thanks very much👍

[@vjacck9686]

nice group of parts craig, when you send the rocker cover off, just make sure you don’t need to modify the breather port as they can come in contact with the bulkhead

[@performanceclassics1986]

v JaccK Thanks very much for the comment. Yeah i do need to cut that pipe back and blank it off. I wanted to get it welded up but they say Magnesium is really tricky to weld.

[@vjacck9686]

Performance Classics, no problem, just something i notice as i made that mistake.. drilled the side and fitted a bulkhead JIC fitting so i could run a pipe straight to the catch can, and yes your right about the welding thought i’d let know before you paid it to get repainted,

[@performanceclassics1986]

v JaccK Thanks again. Appreciate it. I must make sure i get that done asap.

[@scottykilmer1094]

Those Zetec engines are really long lasting engines!

[@performanceclassics1986]

Scotty Kilmer 👍 ive seen them take a lot of hard thrashing and stand up to it no problem. The Engineer who checked the engine over to make sure all components were in good order said that they will easily manage 250K miles which is really good to know also. Gone are the days of old where engines needed a rebuild towards the 100k mile point 👍

[@MOTORSPORT401]

This is going to be a very nice car

[@performanceclassics1986]

Thanks very much 👍

[@longkeithdiablo8812]

Great video, great project car 👍😎

[@performanceclassics1986]

longkeith diablo Thank You 👍much appreciated

[@robertrohu8249]

Nice video easy listening

[@performanceclassics1986]

Robert Rohu Thanks Robert. Much appreciated 👍

[@timj41]

Would the ST170 engine run a far higher compression ratio ?

[@performanceclassics1986]

timj41 No im not aware of the compression being any different to a black top zetec but the pistons and Rods are much higher quality. I think the pistons are forged. The cylinder head flows much better too + variable valve timing. A combination of them is where the additional power comes from as far as I’m aware.

[@davecooke914]

Great video really enjoyed listing to you bet you can't wait see engine seating in escort good luck with rebuild

[@performanceclassics1986]

Dave Cooke pleased you liked it as i was in 2 minds about putting it up as i wasnt sure it was very good. Thanks for the comment.

[@davecooke914]

@@performanceclassics1986 yer was great keep up great work escort look amazing when it's complete look forward to NX video

[@performanceclassics1986]

Dave Cooke I will be putting up another video next sunday which shows a lot of footage of building up the engine from how it currently looks. 👍

[@dizzy_cap_car_show]

That’s a cracking break down of the engine! Thanks dude! Subscribed and watching more content!

[@performanceclassics1986]

Thanks very much 👍

[@df9834]

Motor looks well Craig 👌👌

[@performanceclassics1986]

D F Thanks very much. It actually looks better now with more parts fitted. Il put out another video next Sunday 👍

[@danieldaniel43]

Why don’t u ever use the rs 2000 engines from a 1992

[@performanceclassics1986]

Daniel Daniel Thats a very good question and one that im not sure about. I know they were 150 bhp standard so good starting power but ive never seen it done in a classic Ford. Very good question. Id like to know the answer myself

[@psych0puppy657]

they use almost the same bottom end at the sierra/granada 2.0 dohc engine, so is an easy swap, but there is the issue of the thermostat and im sure its a different shape to the zetec one so needs some form of adapter making, plus tuning the dohc/rs 2000 isnt easy. zetec gives more power for less money.

[@performanceclassics1986]

Psych0 Puppy Psych0 Puppy Thanks for that bit of info. I had heard they were difficult to tune also. Every-days a school day 👍

[@christophernewman5027]

Yep, good stuff. Subbed. 😊

[@performanceclassics1986]

Christopher Newman Thanks Chris 👍

[@nudgerss]

Transverse and longitudinal are the words you’re looking for.

[@performanceclassics1986]

nudgerss 👍 I was aware of the correct terminology but i just thought it might be easier to understand if i just explained the basic layout. I suppose if i had used the correct terms, then it would have sounded more professional. When i look back on this video, theres a lot of things i could have done better had i known how popular it would have been 👍

[@nudgerss]

@@performanceclassics1986 nowt wrong with it mate. It's the first one of yours I've watched. Funnily enough I have a vauxhall powered Mini and a mk2 Escort.

[@performanceclassics1986]

nudgerss 👍 Thanks. we have similar car taste. They are both great fun but both becoming more and more expensive aren’t they.

[@nudgerss]

@@performanceclassics1986 yes but at least the Minis aren't quite at crazy Ford prices yet. They'll get there though as they become rarer.

[@performanceclassics1986]

nudgerss The guy who runs our mini club Richard Allen (Richspec) has a vauxhall powered mini too which is basically a track car. He has some good videos on here of his large mini collection 😎

[@baronvonteuchter1412]

What made you decide to use a zetec instead of a duratec? Cheers

[@performanceclassics1986]

Baron von Teuchter They are Cheaper to get hold of as they’ve been around longer. The ST170 is also 170bhp standard theoretically which is good starting power for not a lot of ££££ If money was no object id have a BDA or a Harris built Pinto but due to the very high prices of all things classic ford, i had to save money somewhere.

[@baronvonteuchter1412]

Performance Classics Thanks, it’s an interesting one. You can get a duratec from a fiesta st for

[@baronvonteuchter1412]

Performance Classics money no object I’d go for a Millington I think! 😅👍

[@performanceclassics1986]

Baron von Teuchter Yes absolutely. The millington diamond engines are the best of the best. I think theres currently more available for the Zetecs in terms of bolt on conversion parts etc. Have you seen Gordon Murrays escort buid?? Retro power built it and its Duratec cosworth power. The build is outstanding like everything retro power do always is.

[@baronvonteuchter1412]

Performance Classics yeah it’s amazing! What a machine.

[@finchy2002]

Great informative vid buddy

[@performanceclassics1986]

finchy2002 Thank you. Its difficult to know how much detail to include.

[@finchy2002]

To be fair it’s better to watch vids from someone who is like ourselves we can all relate to it I’m building a 100e was going ze tec but changed to a red top pritty similar but the sump is proving harder to find 👍

[@performanceclassics1986]

finchy2002 Its all a learning curve isnt it. Theres a lot of clever people out there who produce some fantastic parts to make our lives easier.

[@bobthesnobscotland2821]

Cheers 🥃

[@glennpowell3444]

Good stuff and glad I stumbled on this as an old Piñto fan. Must admit still remain an 8 valve fan of non interference heads .Endless hours of fun playing with cam timing as I remember with a mk3 Capri many moons ago. Hate ECU and sensor setups and prefer a carb. Cheers and look out for your progress.Len.

[@performanceclassics1986]

Glenn Powell i completely understand where your coming from Glenn. To be honnest i should really be fitting it with a pinto on carbs and for many years i preferred a carb set up too. It wasnt until i built my twin cam mini turbo on mappable ignition, that i really appreciated how easy it is watching somebody set up all the parameters to exact tolerances just by changing figures on a screen. Thanks very much for your comment 👍

[@glennpowell3444]

@@performanceclassics1986 Thank you for your reply.I am in my 50,s so I guess all my early tinkering days leave me a bit biased. But as you said in your video I hate and distrust electronics. The Vauxhall echotech twin cams could have been decent lumps but killed by sensors and engine management stuff.The old 8 valvers were golden for tuning although not as strong as a Pinto. I will keep an eye on your project though as I am still a petrol head at heart.Cheers!

[@performanceclassics1986]

Glenn Powell Yeah im not very good with computers so i leave all the mapping down to a guy whom has set up a few of my engines now with very good results. Hes superb at the re mapping and i just watch and admire what he can do. I will try to keep the videos coming 👍

[@glennpowell3444]

@@performanceclassics1986 Fair play.

[@jimclarke1108]

Short Barra ))