Five Gamebreaking Spells in D&D 5e (and how to handle them)

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@DungeonDudes
@DungeonDudes 6 жыл бұрын
As always, the Dungeon Master is the final authority on how the rules work in play. This video is our opinion on ways DMs can make good rulings when these spells come up in play, not a handbook for players on how to abuse the rules. We're curious if there are other potentially "game-breaking" spells you'd like to see us discuss in future videos!
@davidmoseley1082
@davidmoseley1082 6 жыл бұрын
we won a fight against a dragon with the suggestion spell. What happened was we had a divinity wizard and the suggestion spell. We were fighting the dragon in the gold room and suggested the dragon dance and dont stop till the moon turned into cheese. We then used the divinity dice to make him fail the save. dancing all this time caused himt to suffer exhaustion while we took a long rest. This eliminated its ability to regain hitpoints while we healed up and used our last moments to set up our most powerful attacks and surround the dragon for a final one round kill.
@Jeanko06
@Jeanko06 6 жыл бұрын
Isn't a dragon intelligent enough to know that dancing till the moon turns into cheese is basically ordering it to die? Hence the suggestion breaking as a result? Or at the very least, the minute it got exausted it would realize how futile the command is at the very least. That being said: I love the mental image that popped into my head, and 'am planning to drop a scroll or book with the spell to see what my peeps come up with :D
@sometenrandom2740
@sometenrandom2740 6 жыл бұрын
Creation is one of the most unbalanced spells. At 5th level you could create a 5x5x5ft cube of gold, and drop it on something. Sure these things take setup but if you fly over the dragons lair, or a castle you get a 9th level meteor effect for a 5th and a 3rd level spell.
@OwainnAlexandros
@OwainnAlexandros 6 жыл бұрын
You mentioned you created a sort of a booklet that gave suggestions as to what creature your player can Poly into. Can you share any info on what you put into the book, or perhaps a link to a PDF of the booklet?
@supersmily5SS5
@supersmily5SS5 6 жыл бұрын
0:55 This is NOT true for 9th-level spells. Astral Projection, Power Word Heal, Shapechange, Storm of Vengeance, and Weird are all trash compared to the other 9th-level spells. AP is a more dangerous and tedious Plane Shift that only targets the Astral Plane and only exists to make the planar travel seemingly safer (With any good DM it's not since you can easily be ousted). PWH is a crappy version of Wish's healing power, which does take a toll but is still SO worth it compared to PWH. Shape needs no explanation, it's a worse Invulnerability since it's Concentration so anything powerful enough to use it against will invariably one-shot the spell (Unless playing by Nat 20 Save rules, in which case you'll generally have a 1/20 chance to take any real hit). Storm tries to be an army (Or rather, Navy) breaker by dealing a lot of damage to a large area, but making it balanced enough that it's ONLY viable for large groups of targets without being too powerful ultimately makes it be too small of a area to really threaten an end-game military force and too weak to deal worthwhile damage. Weird is simply a worse Psychic Scream. It has the potential to be better than Scream, but scream's initial damage is always more likely to trump Weird's damage over time except in truly lucky circumstances. Of course, if you think otherwise, I wouldn't be above seeing your opinions on the worst 9th-level spells and why.
@baconboyaussie1021
@baconboyaussie1021 6 жыл бұрын
My teacher in school is my DM. Last year my group fought a beholder at the end of the school year. At the beginning of this school year we forgot to level up. So my group then fought and Aboleth, I nearly died along with my other friends. After our victory with no deaths our DM let us level up 2 times since we didn’t level up after our Beholder fight. I took polymorph and the next day my DM hands me the stats and mini of a TREX.
@andrewpenn1145
@andrewpenn1145 5 жыл бұрын
So what happened next?
@twilightgardenspresentatio6384
@twilightgardenspresentatio6384 5 жыл бұрын
Chomp
@Ohillion
@Ohillion 5 жыл бұрын
Teacher of the year award!!!
@omixam1868
@omixam1868 5 жыл бұрын
That sounds like a great teacher
@baltsosser
@baltsosser 5 жыл бұрын
I love folks that are doing this at the school level. We need good creative minds to continue developing the wonderful stories we draw inspiration from.
@Charoy612
@Charoy612 5 жыл бұрын
I had a group pull a fast one on me with Suggestion against what was supposed to be a challenging bounty they were supposed to bring in. They'd worn themselves out against the peons in the area, thinking that they'd have to travel another day to catch up to the target- nope, the target was a clever ranger that had been waiting to ambush them. The Bard slaps suggestion down for the second time in the entire campaign. "Come sit by our fire and share in our beer and meat". Eight hours later the target realies he's been chilling with the party while they recover from what was supposed to be his advantage. Our Rogue even got the guy to teach him some trapping snares. I can't even be mad. It was some really clever quick thinking.
@garrettwade1294
@garrettwade1294 4 жыл бұрын
So, your party got a short rest? I assume they didn't start sleeping while he was just sitting there, and sleeping a requirement of a long rest. Either way, that was pretty clever.
@kittykat7654
@kittykat7654 4 жыл бұрын
Garrett Wade yea they might have at worst been fatigued but all their wounds would have recovered.
@robbiekoala5420
@robbiekoala5420 4 жыл бұрын
Garrett Wade The Bard could’ve told him to take a long rest It’s not like he’d immediately awake when the spell was up. And that way the party can also take a long rest
@ButsJeroen
@ButsJeroen 3 жыл бұрын
@@robbiekoala5420 Not the bard though. You're not gonna keep concentration while sleeping, not in my game anyway :P.
@robbiekoala5420
@robbiekoala5420 3 жыл бұрын
@@ButsJeroen my point was that the NPC isn't going to wake up just because the spell has run out, so the bard could have told them to go to sleep, and then the bard could have gone to sleep immediately after,
@thomasfuller1844
@thomasfuller1844 5 жыл бұрын
I always start Suggestion and any spells like that with the phrase "Would you kindly..." lol
@thomasjenkin26
@thomasjenkin26 4 жыл бұрын
one of the best, yet disturbing, phrases for any gamer.
@Lickicker
@Lickicker 4 жыл бұрын
i dont know if thats genius or evil, or both, atleast suggestion has more limitations on it than the situation in bioshock, im pretty sure it was to the point where atlas couldve said "would you kindly kill yourself" and bam game over
@thomasfuller1844
@thomasfuller1844 4 жыл бұрын
@@Lickicker True but it adds flavor and that's why I do it lol
@luketheredhead96402
@luketheredhead96402 4 жыл бұрын
Bioshock vibes
@rickkhemai1443
@rickkhemai1443 4 жыл бұрын
and like that every bioshock fan in the game session will know
@jonsimpson6240
@jonsimpson6240 5 жыл бұрын
"You want to go home and rethink your life." "I want to go home and rethink my life."
@DungeonDudes
@DungeonDudes 5 жыл бұрын
“8 hours later that man was arrested for selling death sticks on the same street corner” - George Lucas.... maybe..... probably not.
@saraneff6831
@saraneff6831 5 жыл бұрын
I do wanna know what he ended up thinking
@165hy9
@165hy9 3 жыл бұрын
Uses suggestion Yo dudes the empire is pretty chill maybe you could like join it or something
@Draeckon
@Draeckon 3 жыл бұрын
@@saraneff6831 Canonically, he really did rethink his life and become a more upstanding person.
@unevenelephant469
@unevenelephant469 3 жыл бұрын
@@Draeckon Before relapsing much later on IIRC.
@rhf340
@rhf340 5 жыл бұрын
During a battle with flying mounts, use polymorph to change your enemies mount into something that can't fly.
@aaronhumphrey2009
@aaronhumphrey2009 5 жыл бұрын
Like a Blue whale, with tiny little wings. Abserd
@owenpickles4486
@owenpickles4486 5 жыл бұрын
@@aaronhumphrey2009 Eyyyy.
@raymonholt69
@raymonholt69 4 жыл бұрын
If you reverse gravity on something flying outside does it shoot into space?
@josephmorse3089
@josephmorse3089 4 жыл бұрын
@@raymonholt69 No. Reverse Gravity has a "ceiling" in its area that affected items and creatures sort of bob up and down at if/when they reach it. It's kind of like filling the area with water and turning everything and everyone in it into corks.
@raymonholt69
@raymonholt69 4 жыл бұрын
@@josephmorse3089 what if you are flying up with enemies above you and continue going up? Does the area of effect move with you or do you move into it as you fly up?
@Lukiel666
@Lukiel666 6 жыл бұрын
Suggestion. "Go get so drunk you pass out." OK that one's out of the combat. My druid used to use conjure woodland beings after a hard day. "I go to my room and conjure woodland beings; 8 kittens. I'm taking a kitten break."
@kyubii972
@kyubii972 6 жыл бұрын
A truly fantastic use of conjuration magic
@RoderickEtheria
@RoderickEtheria 6 жыл бұрын
Um, actually, aren't the woodland beings supposed to be decided on by the DM, not the player, by the write-up?
@Lukiel666
@Lukiel666 6 жыл бұрын
Not rules as written. The beings decided by GM was a suggestion to curb abuse of the spell, it's not in the spell description. Summoning kittens hardly makes for an overly powerful application of the spell.
@happylittlemisery
@happylittlemisery 6 жыл бұрын
@@Lukiel666 I beg your pardon. Only thing remotely as OP as kittens are puppies.
@damanrando7608
@damanrando7608 6 жыл бұрын
My dwarf ranger could have used that kitten break a few weeks ago, fighting giant spiders, got bit by like 4 of them at once, dropped to negative.... 4 from permadeath... a rough night, he could have definitely done with that
@RX782GP03
@RX782GP03 6 жыл бұрын
player: i unshrink inside their head DM: okay, roll contested Con checks player: what?...okay 16 DM: 19 DM: describes how chicken mcnuggets are made
@kisame594
@kisame594 5 жыл бұрын
Shame they weren't a 3.5 Blood Magus prestige class. Bloodwalk is exactly what they were looking for. Complete Arcane p. 28-29
@Iverald
@Iverald 5 жыл бұрын
Just a suggestion: you don't really need to unshrink in the head. You just need to get to the brain tissue which is always soft and hack at it.
@Stuugie.
@Stuugie. 5 жыл бұрын
@@Iverald or be a circle of the moon druid, lobotomize the enemy with shocking grasp at higher levels
@jagoob
@jagoob 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly what I was thinking. If you transform from an ant to a person inside a skull assuming it takes one second from 0.0-0.2 seconds you probably are now 6 inches tall and have caused them to have a seizure while their brain is dislodged. From 0.2-0.4 seconds you are now a foot tall their brain is smashed as they die and your body is forced to ball up as it pressed on all sides against their skull. 0.4-0.6 seconds as your body is expanding to be 2ft while you are surrounded by their rigid skull immense pressure is felt in your entire being as you now wonder if their skull will burst before all your bones are broken and your organs turn to jelly. Contested con and if you fail almost every bone your body will snap against the pressure on failure you die instantly and success you will take 8d8 crushing damage from the pressure it took to accumulate. 0.6-0.8 seconds growing to 4 feet will cause their head to explode regardless and your previous save determines if you just come out a severely broken and traumatized man or a pile of red goop.
@RobertWF42
@RobertWF42 4 жыл бұрын
Lol But the other players can bring the remains of their post-polymorphed wizard back to the local high cleric to be resurrected, right?
@zeebashew
@zeebashew 6 жыл бұрын
Congrats guys! Killing it.
@DungeonDudes
@DungeonDudes 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@floofitea6358
@floofitea6358 6 жыл бұрын
Love your animations Zee. Have been a fan for a long time. :)
@TheStigma
@TheStigma 5 жыл бұрын
You too Zee! :DLove your work and watch it all since I discovered you :)
@mrknarf4438
@mrknarf4438 5 жыл бұрын
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@kingkalamari6689
@kingkalamari6689 5 жыл бұрын
My favorite instance of using Suggestion to cheese an encounter was when I was playing as a Fierna Tiefling (Who got a once per day use of Suggestion) in Curse of Strahd. After we'd ransacked Baba Lysaga's hut, she came back just as we were leaving with all of her stuff and started combat with us. When my turn came around I used Suggestion with the command "Uh...Strahd sent us...Go bother him!". She immediately took off for Strahd's castle to have some words with him and we beat feet as far away from that hut as possible. Strahd was very annoyed the next time we saw him...
@ripopol
@ripopol 4 жыл бұрын
Bit of a tip: I once rolled ridiculously high on my character (had 17,17,15,15,13,11). And decided to pick human. I could've obviously gone for regular human and round EVERYTHING upwards. but felt it was unsportsmanlike and just took variant and thought "let me just deliberately waste a feat on something that my barbarian will get 0 use out of". Took find familiar. Vaguely recalled a variant rule for familiars at the back of the Monster manual. Asked the DM, they said "ok" and we tied it into the backstory. I was now a foundling barbarian, raised by a tiny pixie who he managed to bring back from the dead through find familiar. Then the game started and it quickly turned out i'd accidentally made myself some kind of half-warlock with 2 turns in initiative. and while familiars cant attack, they can still cast spells. Pixies know 4th level spells. My level 1 barbarian, had by complete accident, in my attempt at self sabotague, gotten access to spells that would take a full caster 8 levels to get access to.
@Sirperfluous
@Sirperfluous 4 жыл бұрын
what variant rule are you referring to?
@Snowman831_
@Snowman831_ 4 жыл бұрын
Variant human, it's a little green text block on the human page, you get two ASI of choice, a feat, and I want to say a language
@alexbrown9622
@alexbrown9622 4 жыл бұрын
@@Sirperfluous The Imp, Quasit, and Pseudodragon all have "Variant: familiar" forms in the MM which state that they're technically obtainable, but SageAdvice said that they were included for NPC spellcasters. It wouldn't be outside of RAW for the DM to allow the players to earn the trust of a pseudodragon or an imp, but RAI they'd have to meet it in the wild and convince it to serve them. Pixies are not included in this and wouldn't be obtainable through the spell, so it instead seems he plead the case that the familiar is technically a spirit of the player's chosen type (in this case fay.) The fay spirit wouldn't be able to materialize as anything but the summoned beast, so the DM allowing it makes it homebrew.
@michaeldr6647
@michaeldr6647 4 жыл бұрын
With find familiar u summon a spirit that can take the form of a creature. So if choose your familiar to take the form of a cat, it gets the stats of a cat but it's not a cat. That's also why you can change its form and make it take the form of another creature. Although I like the idea of rp where you say your familiar takes the form of a cat and it's always a cat no matter what and I also like home rules that allows you to pick a form outside the specific options the spell gives you, I think what you describe is out of the rules of the spell based on its description.
@VeteranVandal
@VeteranVandal 3 жыл бұрын
If I was your DM I'd only allow it after a discussion with the rest of the table, tbh. And I'd probably argue for you to just take human...
@matthewmcmillin3070
@matthewmcmillin3070 6 жыл бұрын
I don't know guys, if my party was fighting a group of baddies and tried the flying T-rex thing I would have one of the baddies know the same spell and we'd have an epic 4v4 flying t-rex battle.
@cendresaphoenix1974
@cendresaphoenix1974 23 күн бұрын
As it should be
@xelloskaczor5051
@xelloskaczor5051 6 жыл бұрын
My favourite is "why dont you tell us all your plans, mr villain". ITS THEIR NATURE. THEY ALREADY WANT TO DO THIS
@Alhelir
@Alhelir 6 жыл бұрын
Get them to monologue, any super villain worthy of the title HAS to monologue, otherwise it’s not a real sociopath.
@lysander9957
@lysander9957 6 жыл бұрын
*Rolls Dice* He succeeds on the save, but decides to tell you anyway.
@funnyblog100
@funnyblog100 6 жыл бұрын
I would actually make it so my villain was never really there. He is so powerful he can just create an astral projection of himself to do the talking while he carries out his plans miles away. So while you are waiting for him to monologue about what his plans are he is already carrying out said plan while you waste time. If I ever start my own campaign and get into dming my villain is going to be a massive troll.
@xelloskaczor5051
@xelloskaczor5051 6 жыл бұрын
@@funnyblog100 if you ever start your own campaign make sure you do NOT create a powerful villain. its a huge newbie trap. Takes lots of experience and knowledge about both game and players to run that kind of game. I mean u sound like u never ran a campaign before, and its a trap many newbies fall for, so i thought i should say this. If im meddling too much, dont worry about it and do what you like. if i can propose sth else, give your smart but small time white collar villain a wand that lets him cast programmed illusion once per long rest and do it that way.
@funnyblog100
@funnyblog100 6 жыл бұрын
Well the powerful villain would not really show up till later. It would be his minions they would mostly be dealing with. That is until he actually has to get off his ass and come after the party. DND campaigns can last a year or more so it would make sense to have him as an endgame final boss. He is content to send his minions after the party and corrupt the land. His only policy would be don't make me come down there. He would be really powerful but he would be too lazy to do anything most of the time and leaves the mundane tasks to his minions. He is only letting the party progress or even get close to him because he finds their struggle entertaining and is setting them up to fall. So when he actually shows up it is fucking terrifying.
@iX1NS0MN14CXi
@iX1NS0MN14CXi 6 жыл бұрын
My favorite use of Suggestion was from my halfling enchanter. We we're traveling with the Red Wizards along the Sword Coast (HoTDQ). I had a small cart that my character Gob would sleep in. Right before bed, I'd spend an hour casting Glyph of Warding on the door handle, putting Suggestion in it. The trigger was if a creature is attempting to enter my cart with hostile intentions, then they would be suggested to walk back the way we came, for the next 8 hours. Walking overnight would cause exhaustion, and I'd be 16 hours away by the time they would wake up from their long rest.
@DungeonDudes
@DungeonDudes 6 жыл бұрын
That's a fantastic security system!
@SpaceTrump
@SpaceTrump 6 жыл бұрын
Niceeeeeeeeee
@cmckee42
@cmckee42 6 жыл бұрын
200 gp per night is a steep cost to sleep soundly, especially when Leomund's tiny hut costs no money, no spell slots and is better at ensuring a safe long rest.
@WarlordM
@WarlordM 6 жыл бұрын
@@cmckee42 correct
@thunderthunderstorms8828
@thunderthunderstorms8828 6 жыл бұрын
PinkCanoeDaVagoo nice trick but what about an illusion of a oger that sits around your cart
@i-am-your-conscience
@i-am-your-conscience 5 жыл бұрын
Combine Arcane Eye with the Feat Observant: "If you can see a creature’s mouth while it is speaking a language you understand, you can interpret what it’s saying by reading its lips."
@matthewtucker2103
@matthewtucker2103 5 жыл бұрын
"You look really thirsty. Here, drink this tea I brewed up. It'll make you feel better." - Wizard *Hands bad guy a potion of fireball." Also, don't use polymorph to unshrink inside of someone. Use a troll finger for that. Just burn or boil the rest of the troll in acid so it will regenerate from the finger. You really can renact that scene from all the Aliens movies.
@Sethoshini95
@Sethoshini95 6 жыл бұрын
"I polymorph back to my original size inside the enemy ear!" "You burst forward, breaking all of your bones while demolishing the opponent ear. He is now unable to hear from that ear. Make a new character"
@xerlius
@xerlius 4 жыл бұрын
Setho shini lolll
@bogdanban7823
@bogdanban7823 4 жыл бұрын
Just polymorph a horse into a slug, throw it in the air and release polymorph. Should get the job done.
@filipferencak2717
@filipferencak2717 4 жыл бұрын
I mean, if it shattered your bones, it would probably shatter their skull bones as well, killing them instantly.
@bleddynwolf8463
@bleddynwolf8463 3 жыл бұрын
physics wise, you would'nt die, that much force, you'd be fine, hurt, but fine. 6-8d10 maybe
@InternetMadnez
@InternetMadnez 3 жыл бұрын
He can't hear.... Your agony.
@MarvelX42
@MarvelX42 6 жыл бұрын
Just remember that any of these ways that the players try to use to "break the game" can just as easily be used by the NPCs.
@DungeonDudes
@DungeonDudes 6 жыл бұрын
This is very true, however, that doesn't necessarily make for a balanced situation. The balance between NPCs/ monsters and player characters is asymmetrical by design in D&D 5e, so there's certain powers that are totally acceptable when put in the hands of monsters, and certain tactics that are alright for the players to use due to the built-in assumption that most of the time the players should come out on top. However, when these are flipped around the results can be campaign-warping. When these spells are turned against the player characters, the results can be unfair, frustrating, or possibly even campaign-ending. As always, use your discretion, and if things get out of hand -- have a conversation about it as a group to decide what's fair at your table.
@MarvelX42
@MarvelX42 6 жыл бұрын
I didn't say that the players should be able to run roughshod in the game or that letting the NPCs do these things should be allowed. I am just saying that this is one of the reasons that this sort of stuff should be carefully thought out and controlled to not get out of hand. Also, yes the game is asymmetrical, but not in favor of the players. It is a huge dangerous world filled with all sorts of things that could and would easily kill the players characters. Even when the PCs reach level 20 and higher the gods may start to take notice of them and kill them. In other words wisdom and tactfulness are the players greatest strengths, or should be.
@MarvelX42
@MarvelX42 6 жыл бұрын
Also: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mneWonucn7yUlZI
@XoRandomGuyoX
@XoRandomGuyoX 6 жыл бұрын
NPCs may not even need that to break the game. Something as simple as a Sorcerer who ambushes the party while using Greater Invisibility and Subtle Spell metamagic can lay down ridiculous damage without the party having any indication of the source. Add in a second Sorcerer doing the same thing and now you've got 150-250 points of damage being thrown at the players before they realize anything is happening. The point of the game though, IMO, is not to kill the players in such a way but pressure them just enough that they scrape through at the last moment and feel great about it.
@PeteZam
@PeteZam 5 жыл бұрын
@@XoRandomGuyoX i dm like that. my goal isnt to wipe out the party, its to have a near wipe with the big combats. theres been many times where we had an epic battle that ended with 1 or 2 party members down, others severely injured, and they just barely squeak by. often times in those fights, if i played those enemies as i would my own PC, i could have wiped the party, but thats no fun for the party, nor is it fun for me. the only time i ever try to intentionally wipe someone out is when they are just being extremely stupid or careless. i wont let that slide, and thats a one way trip to a new character, lol.
@broche9631
@broche9631 6 жыл бұрын
I remember using phantasmal force on a vampire lord to make him see a sunrise. Needless to say he crawled around on the ground getting the crap stabbed out of him.
@domestic_sausage8643
@domestic_sausage8643 6 жыл бұрын
But the spell has no effect on undead. So you or your DM fucked up
@Razumen
@Razumen 6 жыл бұрын
@@domestic_sausage8643 Why not? It's a creature, which the spell specifically says it targets.
@jupperevie2542
@jupperevie2542 6 жыл бұрын
@@Razumen "This spell has no effect on undead or constructs. " It's in the description.
@Razumen
@Razumen 6 жыл бұрын
@@jupperevie2542 Strange, it wasn't mentioned on the site I was looking on, fail.
@nicksienerth6534
@nicksienerth6534 6 жыл бұрын
That is larger than a 10 foot cube, so you used it wrong.
@TuckerTheKobold
@TuckerTheKobold 4 жыл бұрын
I actually had a really interesting Suggestion story the other day. Succubus got caught after trying to sacrifice the local magic shop owner and we started getting our asses handed to us by her and her hellhound and imps. After failing a suggestion (she rolled a nat 18 on the save) and trying again *and* using inspiration to force her to reroll her nat 17 save, I managed to convince her to go back to her home plane, as she had nothing left to gain here (she thought the sacrifice was done). She did, and after stabilizing and saving the magic shop owner, we set a crazy trap outside the portal-mirror involving a bear trap, the snare spell, a duct-taped-to-the-wall +1 scythe (halberd stat block), and a few vials of holy water. She died instantly to the trap after the 8 hours of suggestion wore off... but then the big angry devil she brought with her stepped through because she obviously would bring friends since we pretty much ruined her whole plan. Ended up being a fun fight with the big demon, but suggestion was huge in letting us reset the fight and take out a key opponent to deal with later.
@RomGomLP
@RomGomLP Жыл бұрын
that is the most ridiculous trap and im all for it
@thepip3599
@thepip3599 11 ай бұрын
That reminds me of one time in dnd when one of our players made a trap that consisted of ball bearings at the top of a flight of stairs, an open bear trap at the bottom, and turning out the lights (we were being chased by a human guard without darkvision).
@SonJouten
@SonJouten 5 жыл бұрын
I use Phantasmal Force to create an illusion of the targets mother yelling at them.
@Cadwallon85
@Cadwallon85 4 жыл бұрын
That is mental I was literally thinking of doing this exact scenario, scrolled down and read your comment!
@Hazel-xl8in
@Hazel-xl8in 3 жыл бұрын
la chancla!
@specs6637
@specs6637 6 жыл бұрын
The way I dmed polymorph, and my player turned into a nat and flew inside the bad guys head: He grew back into himself, and exploded out the bad guys head. The catch? HE blew up as well. A mixture of blood, guts, and brains from BOTH of them splattered everywhere. He was mad and demanded to know why. I told him, it’s conceivable that you could do that. But think about the toll on your body? Your suddenly turning into a human inside a tight area, and so your body is being forced together. And thus, this causes your body to crush itself as it expands. Splattering both of you Side note to all the people who are upset that I killed a player, the party had multiple was to bring people back from the dead. Come on guys, our job is to make the story and game memorable. What’s more memorable? Being told “no”, or having things blow up in your face so badly that it leads to you being splattered all over the place? Boohoo, he died, he was mad at first but then later on was laughing about it. And you know what, that’s one of his favorite player stories to tell. I consider that, proof of my job being a success.
@Kratos_God_of_50_BMG
@Kratos_God_of_50_BMG 6 жыл бұрын
I had a PC who tried that, but he turned into mist instead of a nat. He had the same reaction as your PC when I made him roll system shock, and he failed.
@kyubii972
@kyubii972 6 жыл бұрын
Or Earwax.
@2MeterLP
@2MeterLP 6 жыл бұрын
I prevented this kind of nonsense by ruling that the smallest animal you can turn into is a mouse. Technically someone could still stuff that mouse someones gullet like a rodent grenade, but for that I have the universal DM code for "you will die if you do this" : "Are you sure?"
@illoney5663
@illoney5663 6 жыл бұрын
The only potential problem with this is the spell shapechange as that would allow you to change into something that is effectively indestructible and as such, cause this sort of effect. The problem here is that you effectively get as many uses as you want from power word kill from just one casting of another 9th level spell, along with all the other possibilities of shapechanger. Also, you could use this to turn one enemy into a cockroach(or something similar)have one PC grapple another foe and force it to eat its friend, then dispel the effect, killing both. It still has potentially devastating consequences. However, handling it the way you did was appropriate in my opinion. If a PC does something stupid without thinking through the consequences, making sure there are consequences is very important.
@BigMac8000
@BigMac8000 6 жыл бұрын
I would've rp'd out that 30 feet of movement for a gnat is probably nothing. They're in pitch dark, and have NO ability to navigate the hairs, various tunnels your ears go to (lungs, nose) and even a simple swallow motion might send them somewhere. Pretty hard to navigate in there, as gnats don't have the means to push apart flesh or end up someplace normal. It might end up blowing the flesh of an ear off but not be lethal, unless they successfully navigated down. That'd certainly be a medicine check as well as a perception check to not get turned around. But if you're comparing the mass of a human skull versus the mass of an person, the person might survive. I'd RP it out in reverse. Imagine you're a standing person, inside a room sized skull complete with brains. You can't see, hear. Now that room sized skull is getting smaller, and smaller, and smaller. They'd have to bend over when the enemy skulls ultimately meets theirs inside (top of player skull touches enemy skull, assuming they return to human form standing upright). The brain matter would give versus your skin, as brain matter isn't that tough, so you'd scramble his brains long before it killed you, but the trouble is the skull IS tough. Long story short, you're gonna be eating some brains unless you exhale. The pressure would force it down your throat as your lungs compressed and forced you to exhale. That skull won't give easily. Eating human brains can be lethal, so absolutely get a free disease out of it. Prion disease, otherwise known as kuru. Definitely a con saving throw or medicine check to know to exhale. Snapping the skull could be dangerous. As you are growing, if you don't tuck, you could end up bending over backwards or smashing your skill into theirs - bludgeoning damage in any event, with a dexterity saving throw. If you don't "push" when you do it and break through, you're basically hitting a bone wall at high speed. Managing a kick at that speed seems impossible, so I'm guessing a head trauma - I'd call that a critical hit against you for a total of 3d8 bludgeoning, and 2 points of exhaustion for a concussion. You basically headbutted the guy the WRONG way. Your legs would buckle and move, so your skull is the most likely thing to bash into them. Lastly I'd give them an acrobatics check to not land or take another 1d6. You're SMEARED with jumbled brain juice. Disadvantage. You won't know which way is up unless you have keen mind or planned it out in advance, but some problem when you're a gnat. But to each their own.
@mystic-malevolence
@mystic-malevolence 6 жыл бұрын
I once true polymorphed myself into a dragon for the purpose of fighting the tarrasque. I then stayed a dragon for the rest of the duration, effectively becoming a dragon forever. Dragons are cool.
@teknoguy2002
@teknoguy2002 5 жыл бұрын
Except dragons aren't beasts. Edited after replies: Somehow I managed to miss the True part of his post. Dyslexia is a terrible friend, lol. I have no idea what I read it as when I first saw it.
@haliyadimaano4213
@haliyadimaano4213 5 жыл бұрын
GB Games True Polymorph allows the transformation into any creature, so long as the creature’s CR is equal or lower than your current level. It doesn’t require the new form to be a Beast, but it is a 9th-level spell so the earliest any character can grab it is L17.
@SunLovinSolaire
@SunLovinSolaire 5 жыл бұрын
True Polymorph’d into a Death Tyrant. Barbarian grabbed me and essentially aimed me like a laser beam.
@teknoguy2002
@teknoguy2002 5 жыл бұрын
​@@haliyadimaano4213 Ack, somehow I missed the true bit. Dyslexia FTL.
@parheliaa
@parheliaa 4 жыл бұрын
@@SunLovinSolaire Holy shit! This is amazing :D Now I have to learn in-game what Death Tyrant is before 17th level Awesome!
@shannanray6576
@shannanray6576 5 жыл бұрын
"I polymorph him into a snail." Then puts the snail in a glass jar. Digs very deep hole and puts the jar at the bottom. Fills hole. Walks away.
@sebakat1993
@sebakat1993 5 жыл бұрын
decoy snail
@Elektrokardiogramm
@Elektrokardiogramm 4 жыл бұрын
@@sebakat1993 Not again
@nightflame69
@nightflame69 4 жыл бұрын
I have actually done this! 😂
@jordanlicht1601
@jordanlicht1601 3 жыл бұрын
Fill jar with salt lol
@harley8047
@harley8047 3 жыл бұрын
Turn Barbian into snail. Make a projectile out of them. Hit enemy. Walk away. -T. Snail Wizard.
@kazaklichborn3923
@kazaklichborn3923 5 жыл бұрын
13:13 Dealer: "You wanna buy some deathsticksss?" Obi-Wan-Kenobi: "You don't want to sell me deathsticks." Dealer: "I don't want to sell you deathsticks.." Obi-Wan-Kenobi: "You want to go home and rethink your life." Dealer: "I want to go home... and rethink my life."
@jordanlicht1601
@jordanlicht1601 3 жыл бұрын
He probably had no will save lol
@KingofAllThatIsMostlyBlue
@KingofAllThatIsMostlyBlue 3 жыл бұрын
@@jordanlicht1601 Wisdom save in 5e
@Thywolfthespian
@Thywolfthespian 2 жыл бұрын
I mean rethinking your life isn't a something that is unreasonable to ask, but doing it for 8 hours maybe has some pretty drastic effects even when the spell wares off
@L4g__
@L4g__ 2 жыл бұрын
In legends he actually did rethink his life and changed as a person.
@christopherfleetwood5252
@christopherfleetwood5252 Жыл бұрын
@@L4g__Into an arms dealer 😂
@Sorfallo
@Sorfallo 5 жыл бұрын
It is like a jedi mind trick, it can't make them rethink there entire life. I instantly saw the scene with death sticks. "You are going to go home and rethink your life."
@Hazel-xl8in
@Hazel-xl8in 4 жыл бұрын
it can make him go home and think about it, but that doesn’t mean he ever changed :D
@christopherfleetwood5252
@christopherfleetwood5252 Жыл бұрын
@@Hazel-xl8inActually he decided he wanted to become an Arms dealer instead 😂
@justinz9225
@justinz9225 6 жыл бұрын
A few things: - I would argue that suggesting someone walk north for 8 hours would seem strange and unreasonable. That's my personal ruling on that particular one. - I like the Arcane Eye usage, but after revealing the dungeon, I would then cover it up again after the Arcane Eye leaves. That way, the wizard has the information but has to rely on his memory to recreate it with the party in real-time. It might even be cool to have the rest of the party leave the room while you reveal the map, thereby forcing him to relay all the information from memory to the rest of the party. That's a great RP opportunity and I think most players would actually appreciate that element of realism.
@balazszsigmond826
@balazszsigmond826 5 жыл бұрын
Sometimes you play a character that has a higher intelligence score that you yourself meaning possess a better memory than you It is fairly unreal to expect player to describe a visual experience he have been told in a verbal manner, especially while sitting at the table, excited and nervous about the adventure at hand. So to help sad character remember is crucial to retain your suggested role-playing elements
@xthebumpx
@xthebumpx 5 жыл бұрын
That's when the Arcane Eye caster takes the feat giving the character perfect recall
@MmeHyraelle
@MmeHyraelle 5 жыл бұрын
When i heard arcane eye i tough immediatly of drawing out the map you see. Like a second nature.
@elathiaskade7311
@elathiaskade7311 4 жыл бұрын
I need to visit my dying sister who lives 8 miles north of town... like cooking, all you need is a little spice
@flarenova6286
@flarenova6286 4 жыл бұрын
Keen mind will solve the memory issue
@hazezero689
@hazezero689 6 жыл бұрын
Conjure Animals, using 8 Elks. With their Charge ability (2d6) combined with the Ram attack (1d6+3) against a single target. Thats a potential of 24d6+24 damage if all the Elks hit, (which some will not) and most likely the target is knocked prone, for a 3rd level spell. They obey verbal commands issues by you on their own Initiative no action required by you. This specific attack/spell combo has become known as the Jumaniji Stampede in more than one of my campaigns
@brighamrichins3
@brighamrichins3 6 жыл бұрын
I was running a one shot and included an encounter involving a stampede of giant elk runing by, and gave my players 2-3 rounds to climb trees or run out of the way. I had 2 players decide to charge the elk. one was a totem barbarian, the other on a camel. The one on the camel got hit first, the camel died, the pc nearly died. next was a raging barbarian that reckless attacked, so all attacks had advantage. easily dealt over 100 damage and if he weren't raging would have died. (probably shouldv'e had each attack land on their own and count up failed death saves...but didn't want to take 15 minutes to add that up, so I rolled all damage at once). Suffice to say...any campaign i run will now have a horde of elk at one point or another.
@over18irish
@over18irish 6 жыл бұрын
A player at my table did this recently! Almost single handedly defeated a miniboss.
@adriannelson4214
@adriannelson4214 6 жыл бұрын
Or 8 Giant Poisonous Snakes: +4 to hit, 1d4+4 piercing damage and 3d6 poison (DC 11 Con save for half on success), adds up to a potential 8d4+32 (max 64) piercing damage and 24d6 (max 144) poison damage. Not a fun way to go.
@Ceadus34
@Ceadus34 6 жыл бұрын
2 dire wolves... pack tactics and knocking prone... deff my fav thing to do as a level 6 druid. Was the skill allowing me to stand my ground by myself against a giant underground serpent while the rest of my group was engaged in a different room away from me. Among other fights, conjure animals was my go-to spell to save my group's asses.
@torinsmith9867
@torinsmith9867 6 жыл бұрын
The DM chooses what animals show up. I summon cr 1/4 creatures! Okay, eight kitten show up.
@S0lstickan
@S0lstickan 6 жыл бұрын
I remember one time when we were running over a field with some rocks and sporadic trees (kinda like when the hobbits are hunted by that white orc Azog on the horses and wolves, except less trees, more open). Our druid was shifted into a crow and told to kaw once for things of notice, and kaw 2 times for danger. Suddenly the crow kawed twice, so we quickly looked around, and a fast angry gryphon slammed into the side of a horse one of us was riding on (the dragonborn sorcerer who spent the entire combat trying to get his stuck leg out from under the horse but failed until the end of the battle). While we fought the gryphon on the ground the druid crow was skydiving towards us to help. Eventually the gryphon got a bit hurt, turned around and slapped me to the ground with it's wing and used the ground and me as a sprinting board to lead into the air to get airborne. Suddenly the gryphon and the crow was on collision course. Now... if they were to collide.. what damage would the tiny crow to towards the lion sized gryphon, not much, but it kept diving straight towards the gryphon. Right before colliding they started to go through the books looking for casting times and stuff. Suddenly the crow in midair turned into a huge brown bear seconds before slamming into the VERY confused gryphon. They tumbled around in the air, the bear managed to get ontop, and they slammed into the group. Our DM just shut the book and said "I'm not even going to count damage for that... the gryphon is feathers and paste now... On top of the crushed gryphon sat the bear on it's but, smiling and grunting happily. We laughed for a good 15 minutes before we could get on playing from there. :P Excellent creativity with midair wildshape. :P
@JoshSweetvale
@JoshSweetvale 5 жыл бұрын
That's literally what WoW druids did since they got Raven form in Burning Crusade. Bear form is instant, and charging negates fall damage, so it's a more ludicrous pvp opener than stealth! Bear falling out of the sky!
@eldardrakeson
@eldardrakeson 5 жыл бұрын
@@JoshSweetvale does that make them... drop bears?
@JoshSweetvale
@JoshSweetvale 5 жыл бұрын
@@eldardrakeson That's literally what the tactic is called. That and 'rawrbombing'
@eldardrakeson
@eldardrakeson 5 жыл бұрын
@@JoshSweetvale I've been out of wow for so long... rawrbombing.. awesome!
@zwitshr
@zwitshr 5 жыл бұрын
They invented the theory of ant-man crawling up thanos' butt
@mollymcallister1671
@mollymcallister1671 5 жыл бұрын
Best use of Polymorph I've seen was in an encounter where the group was on the sidelines of a major battle just trying to provide support. The wizard polymorphed into an eagle to scout the battlefield and found the enemy general's tent and spotted the enemy general out in the open watching the battlefield... without his helmet on. ....then the wizard landed on his head, and polymorphed into a rot grub. The look on the DM's face as he tore-up the general's NPC sheet was priceless.
@okumabear
@okumabear 6 жыл бұрын
A great idea for Phantasm use. Give the illusion of a wall that would grant full cover to a ranged enemy. They'll naturally try to use it as cover, but of course it doesn't grant them any and now their back is to you. They should grant advantage on any ranged attacks against that creature, IMO.
@TerrariaGolem
@TerrariaGolem 5 жыл бұрын
Great Idea
@captaincoolcat8957
@captaincoolcat8957 5 жыл бұрын
Thats not op! Its also so smart! Thank you for this idea!
@MrMbrydges94
@MrMbrydges94 4 жыл бұрын
I was thinking a wall but all around them as it’s a 10’ cube. So they’d have nowhere to go
@torjones1701
@torjones1701 6 жыл бұрын
I've always been a fan of the suggestion: "I've already paid."
@TheCrazyCapMaster
@TheCrazyCapMaster 4 жыл бұрын
Torrey Jones BRILLIANT 🤣 never pay for anything again
@NotYourAverageNothing
@NotYourAverageNothing 4 жыл бұрын
Torrey Jones That’s not a course of action.
@torjones1701
@torjones1701 4 жыл бұрын
@@NotYourAverageNothing Yeah? Then rephrase what I typed in 2 seconds more than a year ago so that it *IS* a course of action that you might use at a gaming table. I'm pretty sure that if your particular DM wanted to be that specific in how the spell worked, they can point out how it needs to be stated that way and ask you to rephrase it so that it's compliant. It also makes a difference if what is being said is being said in character or out of character. Since I'm not playing a character at the moment, I'm speaking out of character and about intentions and concepts that the characters wouldn't have a clue about and would say in a very-in-game-world way. I've been playing D&D since 2e, nearly 25 years. I can honestly say that in all that time, it's never been a problem, either for me as the DM, or for other DMs with me as the player. It's entirely possible that none of us noticed that the spell has always required a course of action, rather than just giving them the idea.
@gustavotriqui
@gustavotriqui 4 жыл бұрын
@@NotYourAverageNothing "Give me the excess change of what I have already paid" makes it even better." You don't have to pay AND you get a few spare coins.
@NotYourAverageNothing
@NotYourAverageNothing 4 жыл бұрын
gustavo iglesias Would "Give me *all* of your money" be unreasonable?
@nathandeppisch6674
@nathandeppisch6674 6 жыл бұрын
Favorite use of suggestion - my warlock was a professor so he would hand an opponent a stack of paper and a quill and tell them to write a paper on a random subject (mostly a review on their terrible life choices)
@schwarzerritter5724
@schwarzerritter5724 6 жыл бұрын
If I understand Suggestion right, it makes somebody think he had an idea, basically Inception. For it makes somebody you interrogate think his comrades sold him out. That way he is more likely to tell you what you want to know.
@jamesmerkel1932
@jamesmerkel1932 5 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite suggestion uses was in a campaign I was running. The player tagged an enemy soldier with the suggestion that their weapon was too blunt and they needed to go home to sharpen it.
@dragon2067
@dragon2067 5 жыл бұрын
@@jamesmerkel1932 Did that against a wizard. He had missed on a spell and I told him he needs to study his spells. He went to a corner and opened his book and started studying.
@bonthebunnycat667
@bonthebunnycat667 5 жыл бұрын
@@dragon2067 LMAO
@FredRedFrred
@FredRedFrred 4 жыл бұрын
THAT was the funniest comment here. Thanks.
@xersys
@xersys 4 жыл бұрын
" i want to turn in to an ant, clime in to their head and explode out" Okay, but you're going to take just as much damage as the enemy. He's being exploded, and you're being crushed.
@Zotesoap
@Zotesoap 4 жыл бұрын
the ultimate sacrifice. My party whom I hate every one of, I do this for you
@StrayVagabond
@StrayVagabond 9 ай бұрын
Also ants are very slow. Even if I allow you to keep your characters intelligence for the purpose of executing this plan, you're a tiny ant. You gotta crawl over there, up their body, and into them. Hope they don't move before you get there.
@ethanpeterson5640
@ethanpeterson5640 5 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure with the "going into someone and enlarging" tactic, this is where Newton's... one of the laws... applies. The player would take the same damage, as far as I'm concerned.
@eamartig
@eamartig 4 жыл бұрын
Any action has an equal and opposite reaction
@lexkek5625
@lexkek5625 4 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure Newton's law is irrelevant when magic is a thing
@firstnamelastname7298
@firstnamelastname7298 4 жыл бұрын
they could just throw a rock and boom flying boulder plus catapult or if they throw a ball bearing and do all that they could cast heat metal too
@conventionrejection946
@conventionrejection946 4 жыл бұрын
@@lexkek5625 Maybe limited, not irrelevant. Or spells would not be bounded by AOEs, Distances, etc. Most magic bends Newton, typically for under a minute, and then Newton flexes back. Some spells however fully manifest Newtonian irrelevance, hence the Lex Kek Rule.
@Hazel-xl8in
@Hazel-xl8in 4 жыл бұрын
@@conventionrejection946 like true polymorph!
@Zthewise
@Zthewise 6 жыл бұрын
Suggestion is powerful, but don't forget Mass Suggestion. I convinced a group of guards to simply go home instead of fighting us. My party was weak from combat after retrieving a mcguffin for a noble and long story short he ended up double crossing us and sent a group of elite guards to 'arrest' us. So before combat started, I addressed the guards with this simple suggestion, "If you don't want to be here, go home." Fight won with no bloodshed. Which is good because if we did fight them it would ruin our reputation in the city we were in.
@brifox
@brifox 6 жыл бұрын
Mass suggestion is arguably one of the best spells in the game for its level. Instant effect, virtually no component cost, potentially incapacitate up to 12 creatures and no concentration required?
@brifox
@brifox 6 жыл бұрын
@@caiawlodarski5339 In virtually every campaign I've played in, components have been ignored unless there's a specific cost to the component listed (such as all of the raising dead spells or Simulacrum).
@arcadiusrex215
@arcadiusrex215 6 жыл бұрын
Everyone looks at Suggestion and Mass Suggestion, but IMO, Command is more powerful than either of them. It has 4 advantages: No Limitation on how reasonable it is, only whether it will cause harm or not. No arcane babble is included, the spell only requires a singular word. No components other than that word. It's a level one spell with upcasting potential. I've used this spell to great effect. Got a big bad guy you dont want to fight? Command him to Surrender or Disarm. Need to make a Deception check? Command them to Believe. Need them to accept your proposal? Command them to Accept, etc. etc. Its disadvantages are as follows, but I think in comparison they're fairly minor: Only one word commands. No self-harming commands. It only lasts for one round. But one round isn't much of a disadvantage when you trap someone with a command like surrender, believe or agree.
@browncoatkevin
@browncoatkevin 6 жыл бұрын
Components can be used to flavor the spellcasting actions, as most components aren't worth enough coin to need to roleplay repeated purchases of. It's up to personal choice, and it can work well either way.
@Vanity3_
@Vanity3_ 6 жыл бұрын
Zthewise help misclick
@MannyBrum
@MannyBrum 6 жыл бұрын
A good rule of thumb with suggestion is "is it something the creature would do if a trusted best friend asked them to?" (ignoring the particular personality of the creature).
@MythicalPhoebe
@MythicalPhoebe 6 жыл бұрын
thanks for the shopping list, guys.
@betalars
@betalars 4 жыл бұрын
My favorite usage of phantasmal force: a bard convinced a dragon mother, that morged her dead baby, that her baby was in fact still there. That's the only time me as a dungeon master actually needed to make a five minute break to think about what to do next. In the end I just made the dragon lady ignore the adventures and curl up around her percieved baby. Then the adventurers argued until the spell ended and had to fight a really enraged bronze dragon. Needless to say they got killed and saw the "bad ending" of that oneshot. Because that dragon was actually good and they doomed the whole town by weakening her in combat. (I wouldn't do a TPK in a campaign, but at the final boss of a oneshot I think it's okay...)
@nicholaslong2763
@nicholaslong2763 5 жыл бұрын
Arcane eye is even more broken because I think Warlocks can get an invocation that lets them cast it at will.
@ocwkuro
@ocwkuro 6 жыл бұрын
"I suggest you go home and rethink your life" - My bard, to a giant. Her home wasn't on the same continent. 8 hour duration. She was setting sail for home by the time she snapped out of it. That's a lot of hitpoints removed from combat for a low cost. Mass Suggestion is even more fun.
@bogdanban7823
@bogdanban7823 4 жыл бұрын
And no concentration at mass suggestion.
@BullyDogg
@BullyDogg 5 жыл бұрын
I wanna say thxs. I haven't played since second edition and after watching a few of y'alls vids, I have decided to take up some 5th edition
@MrNemitri
@MrNemitri 4 жыл бұрын
Start every suggestion with "I heard a rumor" 🤣
@RicardoMoralesMassin
@RicardoMoralesMassin 4 жыл бұрын
EXACTLY what I thought! you got it
@IYPITWL
@IYPITWL 4 жыл бұрын
Boys?!
@alexbrown9622
@alexbrown9622 4 жыл бұрын
@@IYPITWL Umbrella Academy
@adamlabelle6199
@adamlabelle6199 6 жыл бұрын
I can't get over the image of Polymorphing the big bad of the campaign into a frog and yeet'ing him off a cliff. Splat.
@HmmWelp
@HmmWelp 6 жыл бұрын
Puntable marmot?
@dirkbaldorad3634
@dirkbaldorad3634 6 жыл бұрын
The frog may die and the bbeg is now out of your range.
@goatmeal5241
@goatmeal5241 6 жыл бұрын
@@dirkbaldorad3634 The idea would be to have enough overkill that the damage carry-over to the real form would kill the real form.
@Oddmanoutre
@Oddmanoutre 6 жыл бұрын
@@HiddenRealm Punt the frog/marmot off the cliff, then push a boulder down after it. What? It's the bbeg, by Phelcart!
@alanschaub147
@alanschaub147 6 жыл бұрын
Lemming! They are suicidally inclined to jump off cliffs, anyway.
@hunterbrandt7800
@hunterbrandt7800 6 жыл бұрын
Suggestion: "Here, hold this for me until I get back. It's enchanted though, so don't open it." Gives a barrel of gunpowder or oil Moves away and casts fireball
@SgtTeddybear66
@SgtTeddybear66 4 жыл бұрын
I'm stealing this when I get the chance. 😂
@charlest.4723
@charlest.4723 4 жыл бұрын
nah nah fireball is too much of a waste, use scorching ray and it's 3 chances to hit as well
@abelsampaio389
@abelsampaio389 6 жыл бұрын
My favorite Suggestion is to tell a character to doff his armor. If it's wearing heavy armor, that's 100 rounds to do. During that time, he must spend his action every turn doing just that. And after it's done, well, he no longer is wearing armor, and if he wants it back, that's another 10 minutes of putting armor on. Saying "Here, let me hold that for you" and disarming your enemy. Telling a henchmen to introduce the party to the boss saying "We're here to meet your boss, we have an appointment. Can you bring us to him?", and then watch as this minion tranquilizes everyone in the compound going like "It's fine guys! They have an appointment."
@rodjacksonx
@rodjacksonx 6 жыл бұрын
I'm... going to have to make use of that one.
@keithroy7884
@keithroy7884 6 жыл бұрын
Seems kind of against the nature of a professional guard who practically lives in armor, to remove armor while on duty, especially if there are known hostiles in the area.
@jackiechan715
@jackiechan715 6 жыл бұрын
Keith Roy "Relax, guy, it's the end of your shift. Go ahead and take that heavy armor off so you can relax."
@keithroy7884
@keithroy7884 6 жыл бұрын
@@jackiechan715 Perhaps, if you had presented yourselves as plausible replacements, so that onlooking troops would not see the obvious deception and intervene. A lot of players don't plan for these situations, and expect to walk up in a hostile manner, openly cast a spell influencing one guy, and have everyone go along with it. Only the most fearful guard in a tyrannical force, who won't take any action without a direct order from his superior, will stand by and watch some obviously suspicious character come up and do something like that without reacting. If there is no plan to appear reasonably plausible outside the spell use, no one will buy it, and if no effort to conceal the casting, shouts and crossbow bolts will be likely reactions. As mentioned, the idea of "We are harmless travelers, or 'We are not the droids you are looking for,'" is subtle and believable, as opposed to "Stop looking for anyone and go home", lol.
@jackiechan715
@jackiechan715 6 жыл бұрын
Keith Roy I agree that many people don't seem to properly plan ahead, but for those that do, this stuff can be extremely useful.
@Khether0001
@Khether0001 4 жыл бұрын
Not only polymorph allows you to enter the enemy, charisma does as well!
@TerrariaGolem
@TerrariaGolem 5 жыл бұрын
Me: *Polymorphs into TREX* DM: The Orc Warrior looks tasty Me: But us he the tastiest? DM: That would be your halfling rogue... Me: *CHOMP*
@VestedUTuber
@VestedUTuber 4 жыл бұрын
"The transformation lasts for the duration, or until the target drops to 0 hit points or dies. The new form can be any beast whose challenge rating is equal to or less than the target's (or the target's level, if it doesn't have a challenge rating). The target's game statistics, including mental ability scores, are replaced by the statistics of the chosen beast. _It retains its alignment and personality."_ Sounds like you really hated that halfling rogue...
@JellyWafflesOG
@JellyWafflesOG 6 жыл бұрын
Re the arcane eye part: my take away is that, once again, doors are the true BBEG of the entire D&D multiverse.
@petenell5807
@petenell5807 4 жыл бұрын
Flock of Familiars > Arcane Eye
@morphman86
@morphman86 6 жыл бұрын
Phantasmal Force is usually called the Looney Toons Spell, for its common use as a cartoonish diversion. Run from your enemy, one party member quickly hides the party using whatever skill they have while the wizard casts Phantasmal Force, creating the image of a dark opening in the wall in front, then watch as the enemy runs head first into a solid wall.
@ChristnThms
@ChristnThms 6 жыл бұрын
A couple of honorable mentions I'd like to add... Anytime damage doesn't have a way to be avoided, it can be game breaking. Not necessarily bad, but generating unintended consequences. Green Flame Blade: you have to roll a melee attack against your target. But the adjacent target takes damage with no way to avoid it. You wanna wear down the BBEG with the ultra high AC? GFB can do it, using his minions against him. Cloud of Daggers: it's only a 5ft cube, but anything in it takes damage. Period. No save. So you can cast it, drag an enemy to it, grapple them there, and every round they take damage no matter what. Again, useful for opponents that are hard to hit. Spike Growth: again, no save damage. If you aren't present when it is cast, you don't even get a chance to know there's anything wrong with the ground. When you try to move across it, it is difficult terrain, and you take damage for every square you move. No save. Just eat it. This is a real killer against an enemy that must close to melee range to hurt you, while you have ranged alternatives. Lastly, the lowly Fog Cloud... aka Darkness. Everyone loves the Darkness spell, but read up on the "heavily obscured" condition. That's what Darkness does. Except that Fog Cloud does it with a level 1 slot, for a full hour. So you get the area denial benefit for longer, at a lower cost.
@normal6483
@normal6483 6 жыл бұрын
Fog Cloud for this purpose is good, and probably better than Darkness in general since fewer creatures can see through it. But a Warlock with Darkness basically has Greater Invisibility at low level, making them the best combatant around. It's a super good ability to take advantage of.
@ChristnThms
@ChristnThms 6 жыл бұрын
The Darkness/Devil'sSight combo is undoubtedly one of the strongest in the game... if you're the WL. It really messes up the rest of the party, which is one of the reasons that WLs are more popular in chat forums than in real games. But, none of this actually has anything to do with the Fog Cloud spell. If anything, it underscores how powerful it is. If you're up against opponents that can see through magical darkness, Fog Cloud still works. It's a lvl 1 spell that accomplishes most of what a lvl 2 spell does, but more reliably and for longer.
@TheGruspastej
@TheGruspastej 6 жыл бұрын
Any ranged combatant greatly benefit from darkness compared to fog. An archer in darkness can freely attack those outside it to no consequence while they can't reliably attack back. It is also mobile and not effected by stiff winds.
@ChristnThms
@ChristnThms 6 жыл бұрын
Ummm, there are only a couple ways to see in magical Darkness. None of them are natural, and none of them are available to a class with the Archery style. So to say that Darkness benefits archers is patently false. It is possible to see through Darkness and wield a bow, but to do that you're MCing a caster to gain that specific feature, which could then be used for any sort of attack.
@TheGruspastej
@TheGruspastej 6 жыл бұрын
@@ChristnThms Archer was just an example. The claim was for any ranged combatant. Including wizards etc. But even excluding that, darkness is even more powerful if used for someone else or even a group of ranged combatants.
@ramoncorrea5716
@ramoncorrea5716 5 жыл бұрын
Suggestion: Arcane babble: Lalouche V. Britiania commands you... Command: go take a walk until sunrise
@kenthehobo
@kenthehobo 4 жыл бұрын
When they try the alien maneuver, I just tell them that whatever damage they deal, is also dealt to them. That way the get dealt the amount of full HP of the creature they kill.
@TheOneNotTheOnly
@TheOneNotTheOnly Жыл бұрын
That’s pretty much what I’d say. That transition between forms would easily be a vulnerable state so yeah you’d take damage too. Make them roll a few death saves with disadvantage because their body was so mangled.
@rodjacksonx
@rodjacksonx 6 жыл бұрын
And you have links to jump to each specific discussed spell in the video! Along with a text reference! Awesome!
@DungeonDudes
@DungeonDudes 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, we heard the feedback about including these, so we are working hard to make sure we have links and page references in place going forward. Hopefully we get the chance to go back over our old videos and add the same!
@robertshelton1760
@robertshelton1760 6 жыл бұрын
Suggestion: 'you want to go home and rethink your life'
@jonathanbauer2988
@jonathanbauer2988 5 жыл бұрын
literally when they said you cant tell someone to do that I was thinking of the staw wars scene where obi-wan tells the dude in the bar to go and rethink his life xD
@XanderHarris1023
@XanderHarris1023 5 жыл бұрын
“You don’t want any death sticks.”
@thuirthiawindsong
@thuirthiawindsong 4 жыл бұрын
I believe I’ve read that that guy went home, rethought his life, and decided he liked dealing death sticks.
@jakobalspaugh3101
@jakobalspaugh3101 4 жыл бұрын
Technically you could have them rethink their life however you can't tell them to decide a certain way
@eckroattheeckroat4246
@eckroattheeckroat4246 6 жыл бұрын
I really struggle with "make the course of action sound reasonable" in Suggestion. It it reasonable for the giant who's been set to guard this passage to "let us pass and forget we were here"? Can one ever 'forget' on cue? If you're already in combat is it reasonable to have the evil guard captain to "order your men to stand down, and draw us a map to the treasure vault" as you've suggested? ' Reasonable' is a frustratingly subjective term.
@DungeonDudes
@DungeonDudes 6 жыл бұрын
Totally agree. I think that's why you get two sentences. If you say to the giant "I'm here to deliver an important message to your leader, let me pass." Well, that sounds pretty reasonable. The "forget we were here" part doesn't work: the creature can't do willingly. "Order your men to stand down, and draw us a map" is might be a double-barrelled request. I'd rule it's one or the other in that case.
@Jpteryx
@Jpteryx 6 жыл бұрын
The way I decide whether something's "reasonable" is, could the creature have given a third party an explanation for why it followed the suggestion, other than "a wizard made me do it?" The giant can't and wouldn't just decide to forget something, so that's not a reasonable suggestion. If you're attacking the evil guards, I can't think of any reason their captain could reasonably let you go steal their treasure. But I would have allowed the Suggestion of "order your men to stand down so we can go bring you some treasure and all leave this castle much richer." (The character making this suggestion doesn't have to keep their word to the captain, of course!)
@thevirtueoflove3935
@thevirtueoflove3935 6 жыл бұрын
@@Jpteryx A wizard did it!
@FishoD
@FishoD 6 жыл бұрын
You cannot willingly forget. Think of what is reasonable by process of elimination. If there is another spell that does what you're trying to do with this spell, then it is quite possible your spell cannot do what you want it to do. Because forgetting about an event -> That's literally what modify memory spell is for... That player tried to combine two spells in to one....
@RWAdventures_
@RWAdventures_ 6 жыл бұрын
The way we handle suggestion is that we equate the spell to a forced success on a very hard persuasion. So you can do things with it that you could potentially do with persuasion if your persuasion roll could go to let's say 30.
@lynxng7445
@lynxng7445 5 жыл бұрын
For the Polymorph into enemy, I'd say that it's very difficult to do mid-combat (enemies won't sit still and willingly let insects enter them), the polymorphed also takes the HP of the tiny form and is thus easy to kill/stop. DM can just say that the enemy sneezed at the right time and expel player 10ft away. Additionally, if you transform back to full form from inside an enemy body, the DM can rule that the player ALSO takes tremendous damage in the process. Maybe even character death. That will stop most players from trying.
@klasodeth
@klasodeth 3 жыл бұрын
Nobody's going to pay attention to a tiny bug when a half dozen people are trying to murder them with an assortment of weapons and attacks. Also, you can't sneeze out your ear. That said, applying equal damage to both creatures is a sensible approach and is what we do in the game I'm playing in. Basically, whichever creature has less HP dies, and that HP total is done as damage to the other creature. It adds a very tricky risk-versus-reward dynamic that prevents it from being a go-to attack. Even when the attack succeeds, you may find yourself with so few HP that other enemies can easily take you down. At the very least, you probably won't have enough HP to try a second time.
@moredetonation3755
@moredetonation3755 5 жыл бұрын
DM: bans the T-Rex Wizard: *becomes the mighty Ozaru*
@notatroll7128
@notatroll7128 5 жыл бұрын
Breaks into castle and steals wife
@thisguy7561
@thisguy7561 6 жыл бұрын
Something you forgot to mention for the first two spells was that they require Concentration. So players can't cast other Concentration spells without dropping the first one and damage forces con saves to keep them. I mean, Suggestion lasting 8 hours means no other Concentration spells for a good portion of the day. And if the player is hurt in an encounter an hour later and fails their con save, Suggestion will end.
@DungeonDudes
@DungeonDudes 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent point
@vadaritis
@vadaritis 6 жыл бұрын
A gem i discovered recently is Dragons Breath, which is a second lvl spell. It seems like a pretty mediocre spell on first look, but one of the options is 3d6 poison damage in a 15ft cone. If your a necromancer, toss it on a zombie after the other ones have grappled your enemies, and that last zombie is suddenly a lot more dangerous, cause it breaks down the action economy. (edit) Forgot to mention that all undead are immune to poison damage. That little Cr1/4 zombie that had a poor chance of doing 1d6+1 (only +3 to hit), is now pumping out 3d6 (save for half) in an AoE, AND it doesn't require you to use your action or bonus action (except the two bonus actions to get this going because of casting time and directing zombies.) because Animate Dead says the zombies will keep doing the last order you gave them if a new order isn't given. If you don't even want to worry about the concentration and have an hour of prep, glyph of warding with the spell glyph, and suddenly your doing all this with only a 2nd and 3rd level spell slots. My players are not gonna be happy >:) Bonus Spell: Heat Metal, if cast on someones armor, is guaranteed damage, cause the con save to drop it, doesn't matter if it takes 10min to take off your plate armor.
@vadaritis
@vadaritis 6 жыл бұрын
That's actually quite brilliant. Cause you your familiar only needs to be within 100ft of you to cast Dragons Breath on it, cause you can use the familiar to deliver touch spells if it is within that distance. I was sure the familiar couldn't do that, but i double checked and it works, thank you for that. >:) Now my players should be wary of local fauna as well.
@vadaritis
@vadaritis 6 жыл бұрын
That's my point exactly, i was merely pointing out the range limitation for you to cast the spell through your familiar to buff itself with the breath weapon. Specifically the familiar cannot attack, but activating a spell effect is something separate. As my groups dm, i would point it out to my spellcasters if they are having trouble, but only after this next session, as they fight a lowlevel spellcaster.
@dracoargentum9783
@dracoargentum9783 6 жыл бұрын
Sorry to rain on your parade of zombies vomiting poison over everything, but zombies are immune to the Poisoned Condition, not poison damage.
@vadaritis
@vadaritis 6 жыл бұрын
In the section directly under the stats in the 5e MM pg.316 it states Damage Immunities: Poison, Condition Immunities Poisoned. So we are both right.
@cicerobully
@cicerobully 6 жыл бұрын
I can see someone using heat metal on a person in full plate armor. The DM saying "The soldier's armor slowly begins to glow a bright yellow as his armor heats up. All you can hear are his blood curdleing screams as he realizes that he is getting cooked alive. The smell of burning flesh fills the air and he finally dies. You got 20xp and a lump of gold that used to be his coins."
@neokoga
@neokoga 5 жыл бұрын
My favorite Polymorph moment was when a friend turned an escaping enemy goblin, who had just stolen a key from the party, into a slug and then picked him up and put him in his handy haversack. After a short rest he pulled the suffocated goblin corpse out of the sack and retrieved the key lol
@kingkalamari6689
@kingkalamari6689 5 жыл бұрын
One other spell that I feel can be really problematic from a DM's perspective is Reincarnate, not for its use to revive dead PCs and hirelings, but because of how it can change how the DM needs to handle NPCs in the narrative. Reincarnate has a similar time restriction for how long the target has to have been dead for as Ressurection, but is available several levels earlier. The justification for this seems to be that the randomized nature of what the target gets brought back as makes it a much less useful option for bringing PCs back from the dead, but this doesn't take into account the way this spell can be used to circumvent certain other narrative challenges when used on dead NPCs. The fact that it can bring back any dead creature, even ones that have suffered catastrophic damage, means that DMs are no longer able to present certain narrative scenarios to the party such as them being called on to solve a recent murder (Just reincarnate the victim and have them give their side of the story), or having an enemy threaten their allies (While it'll suck if we fail to save them, we do have that severed finger Jimmy the Mobster mailed to us an hour ago to reincarnate them with). While it's not necessarily game breaking, it heavily changes the way the GM needs to run the game a bit earlier than I think was probably intended.
@XMaster340
@XMaster340 2 жыл бұрын
I think that's why the phrase "If the target's soul isn't free or willing to do so, the spell fails." With a bit of creative thinking, a DM can come up with quite a few reasons why either one might be the case. You are generally right though. The DM has to consider this case.
@QrazyQuarian
@QrazyQuarian Жыл бұрын
@@XMaster340 I recently had to resort to that ruling when my party tried doing exactly this to a rock gnome that was trying to bring the Stone of Golorr to the party in Dragon Heist. I simply stated, "He is perfectly content in the afterlife and doesn't want to come back to mortality." Pretty simple explanation I give to players who get too comfy with reviving and reincarnating creatures willy-nilly.
@Faradars1
@Faradars1 Жыл бұрын
Its completly fine, not game breaking
@westmichiganangler5419
@westmichiganangler5419 Жыл бұрын
One way I dealt with this problem is to change how cultures deal with the thought of reviving a dead person. The culture the party was in at level 4 felt that bringing a soul back to the body was making a mockery of the gods and offensive to the god of the dead. They had to seek help from a very shady cult that followed the god of death rather than the god of the dead in order to bring back a dead PC. This cultist wanted them to assist in the assassination of a prince in exchange since the party was broke. Caused a very interesting moral schism in the party. Of course, they could've just traveled to the next cultural and political region where the outlook on revival is far different, but they didnt persue that thread of information I gave on a religion check.
@gusak22
@gusak22 5 жыл бұрын
We should note that pixies can also cast phantasmal force. imagine 8 different phantasmal forces in effect at a time.
@shallowsins64
@shallowsins64 6 жыл бұрын
Never knew these spells where problems but the ways you dudes dealt with it seems almost common sense now good job
@jamesoakes4842
@jamesoakes4842 6 жыл бұрын
Glyph of Warding. You haven't lived until you've used prep time and some money, given that there's not much use for gold in 5e, to cast 50 spells in one turn and blow up the BBEG.
@doranshroud6802
@doranshroud6802 6 жыл бұрын
So in our campaign, my level 7 Arcane Trickster used detect thoughts on a guy to determine whether or not we could trust him to take us into the city. While I was doing this, another member of the party asked him about the city and caused the guy to draw up a mental map of the city and the areas he'd been to, including the guards' patrol routes as he often smuggled things past them. This mainly worked because our barbarian was an old soldier and had already asked these questions while I had cast the spell out of earshot thanks to a neat Nat 20 stealth roll. We basically circumvented the need for the NPC to make a saving throw against my spell DC because of this and the DM was happy because he thought we'd be wondering the town for hours before we'd find a map to get around.
@thunderthunderstorms8828
@thunderthunderstorms8828 6 жыл бұрын
Wow I’m impressed
@shadowshedinja6124
@shadowshedinja6124 6 жыл бұрын
I thought part of the spell is that the target is aware their mind is being probed
@brighamrichins3
@brighamrichins3 6 жыл бұрын
only if they dig deeper and the target passes an int (might be wis) check
@fatalityin1
@fatalityin1 5 жыл бұрын
Stealth by rule just means a person doesn't know where you are located. And going into stealth requires you to not be once noticed or in eyesight. Also stealth breaks instantly, if you have to verbalise anything within sound range (compare it to creatures noticing if you draw a bow string). Nice move, but your DM wouldn't have been forced to accept your spell, because the interrogated defo recognized you casting arcane words on him.
@3liony
@3liony 4 жыл бұрын
It depends on how your DM calls it but calm emotions can be an incredible utility. I once calm-emotions-ed the bbeg of a oneshot and the party tied him up to the mast of a sinking ship because that's not technically an attack.
@TBoring
@TBoring 5 жыл бұрын
Arcane Eye+ Comprehend Languages + Observant feat= No secret conversations
@neog8029
@neog8029 5 жыл бұрын
Just become the Eye of Sauron.
@l0ker507
@l0ker507 6 жыл бұрын
Many things that let you pass through creatures say that if you end your turn in their space, you take force damage; you could use that in the polymorph-example.
@fishworshipper
@fishworshipper 5 жыл бұрын
Eh, on the flip side because those spells *specify* that you take Force damage it's reasonable to assume that things that don't specify that you take Force damage simply don't deal Force damage.
@patrick2231
@patrick2231 6 жыл бұрын
Phantasmal force...i gotta argue on that one. the "spells do what they say they do" rule applies, but it never specifies that it is created in a point in space. it does however, say it creates stimuli. this, in a very loose way, can be used to justify the phantasm moving, as the definition of a stimulus could indeed include visual stimuli created through movement.
@DungeonDudes
@DungeonDudes 6 жыл бұрын
I see what you mean. I've read the spell description over and over, and it's really hard to figure out what the intent is behind it. I don't think it's a *huge* problem if the illusion can move, if it has clearly programmed instructions on how to move -- since again, you can't control the phantasm directly once it's created. In fact, the caster can't even see the phantasm, since it exists only in the mind of the target creature!
@goose6752
@goose6752 6 жыл бұрын
The phantasm is created in the mind of the target. It should act in a way consistent with how the target believes it should act. An ogre will pursue it, a pool of acid stays put, chains binding its wings remain in place.
@patrick2231
@patrick2231 6 жыл бұрын
the chains ones is an interesting dinamic. for instance, the bridge example makes a creature try to walk across a bridge, but the bridge isn't there and thus they fail to do that. will chains act in a similar manner, even if they are "attacking" the creature? It was an interesting topic. for one, if the chains can do damage shouldn't they be able to trip or restrain a creature? 2, if they can then why doesn't the bridge interact in a similar way? if the chains cannot trip or restrain a person, as they are indeed illusions, would it simply mean the creature "acts" as if it is tripped or restrained,but not suffer from the actual affect of being prone/restrained?
@goose6752
@goose6752 6 жыл бұрын
There are 3 kinds of illusions. 1) Sensory: essentially, holograms, loudspeakers; they have a real world non-tangible presence. Minor Illusion, Silent Image, Major Image, Mirror Image.... 2) Phantasms: exist only in the minds of the target. Phantasmal Force, Phantasmal Killer... 3) Shadow Magic: A sensory illusion with some degree of tangibility. Phantom Steed, Shadow Blade, Illusory Dragon (Xanathar's)... Some spells draw from more than one of the sub-categories, Mirage Arcane. Arguably, if an illusion is capable of dealing psychic damage, it is at least partially phantasmagorical in nature. Chains: the target believes itself to be bound, so will fold it's wings and/or twist them into awkward position, rendering itself incapable of flight (potentially, it could make an escape check vs. the spells DC; but that's DM interpretation, not how the spell is written). And they could squeeze like a python for psychic damage. Prone: the target would believe it had been tripped, so would most likely throw itself to the ground; but even if the DM decided it didn't actually fall prone and was still standing from the perspective of observers, it would still act as if it were prone, i.e. had its movement restricted by full body contact with the ground (half move, disadvantage on attacks, granting advantage to melee attacks, but not gaining disadvantage vs. ranged attacks, since it wasn't actually prone.) Bridge: non-tangible illusion, gravity, sudden stop, bludgeoning damage. If the chasm were also part of the illusion, the damage would be psychic, and the 1d6 is actually appropriate because of the 10'x10' limitation of the spell. Another consequence of the size limitation, is that you will never bind a creature bigger than large. Rendering a target restrained and blind isn't quite as powerful as paralyzing them (hold person), but allowing this spell to cause those effects makes this spell more utile because of its greater range of target-ability. Sadly, you can't increase the damage caused or multi-target by casting with a higher level slot. Hold Monster is only 5th level and multi-targets when up cast and targets everything. Phantasmal Force should probably be a 3rd level spell if allowed to blind and restrain, but if it only does it's 1d6, then really its only a 1st level.
@brighamrichins3
@brighamrichins3 6 жыл бұрын
i love phantasmal force. that being said, it seems like the spell would suggest that if theres an illusion of chains attached to it, it would feel the chains, might even takes some damage moving away from where chains were, but once moved, either through voluntary (trying to throw themselves at the end of the chains) or forceably (thunderwave) , it'd come to the conclusion it slipped out of said chains (or some other reasonable explanation).
@alanschaub147
@alanschaub147 6 жыл бұрын
I want to use Phantasmal Force to make a door seem like a Mimic. That sounds really fun! 🚪
@entropyzero5588
@entropyzero5588 6 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't that just mean that it… looks like a door?
@alanschaub147
@alanschaub147 6 жыл бұрын
Entropy Zero: Let me explain the setup. A wizard casts Glyph of Warding on the door to his study. He stores the spell Phantasmal Force, with the condition that the first person who touches the door other than him will believe that he has been grappled by a Mimic that was pretending to be a door. Everyone else will see the party member stick to a regular door, screaming about a Mimic. They will not be able to convince them it is not real, without the person succeeding on an Intelligence (Investigation) Check. Meanwhile, the Wizard has time to prepare for the intruders or make an escape.
@entropyzero5588
@entropyzero5588 6 жыл бұрын
@@alanschaub147That has the same problem as every other way to try to physically restrain a creature with Phantasmal Force: They will use their action to try to escape the grapple and succeed, rationalizing in their mind that they are stronger than the mimic/ they broke the restraints/ etc.
@alanschaub147
@alanschaub147 6 жыл бұрын
Entropy Zero: I see your point. According to Sage Advice, it would be up to the DM. www.sageadvice.eu/2017/05/30/can-a-creature-under-the-effects-of-phantasmal-force-be-restrained-by-it/
@JoshSweetvale
@JoshSweetvale 5 жыл бұрын
Phantasmal Force: Augmented Reality. Band around the eyes that projects reality as normally seen. Edit at your leisure.
@brittanynugent1604
@brittanynugent1604 4 жыл бұрын
Probably my favorite use of suggestion has been to use the word obey. I was a new DM and didn't realize just how powerful one of my encounters were against my group of level fours and one of my players asked to do this in order to have the enemies stand down and negotiate.
@Elanchana
@Elanchana 5 жыл бұрын
Fun story: After I watched this video for the first time, I decided to give my newly-leveled up bard Phantasmal Force and Hypnotic Pattern to see what would come out of it. This also happened to be the week of the final boss battle in one of my game store campaigns. Sooooo... Before the boss showed up, there were maybe 8 flying rafts full of zombies heading toward the town to take out our backup defenses. I threw a Hypnotic Pattern onto the one in front, making it stop for a moment and cause a huge pile-up behind it. Cue lots of falling zombies. Then there was the boss battle itself, against a buffed-up ancient dragon. Our goal wasn’t actually to kill it, but to keep it occupied while a few party members set up a black hole machine that would not only destroy it but prevent any sort of lich-like resurrection. When those party members succeeded, the dragon saw the black hole forming and, understandably, freaked out. My little bard got an idea: Why not use Phantasmal Force to create a forced-perspective image in front of the black hole, making it look like it wasn’t there? The DM ruled that this would require a performance check... no problem, I have expertise and nailed the roll. But the big surprise was the dragon failing the saving throw, ignoring legendary resistance, and falling for it. Yep, I fooled an ancient dragon plus with an imaginary painting.
@MysteriousPrize
@MysteriousPrize 6 жыл бұрын
I'd also make a consideration for Healing Spirit. RAW, it heals your entire adventuring party for 10d6 (average of 35) for the cost of a level 2 spell and 1 minute of everyone's time. Compare that to the other more efficient healing spells; Prayer of Healing heals 6 people for a average of 14 (assuming 20 wis) and has a 10-minute cast time. Aura of Vitality heals an average of 70 HP, which for a party of 4 is 17.5, and is a 3rd level spell. This doesn't even get into how broken you can make Healing Spirit using the RAW. Add one level of Life Cleric and now it's 10d6 + 40. Have characters form a grapple chain to drag other characters through the healing spirit on their own turn (the spell's wording says: when you or a creature you can see moves into the spirit's space for the first time on a turn or starts its turn there), now it's 20d6, or 20d6 + 80 with one level of Life Cleric.
@DungeonDudes
@DungeonDudes 6 жыл бұрын
Healing Spirit offers a solve for the rare case where one or more party members are really beat up after an encounter, but will fail their objectives/ get attacked if they take a rest, and someone will likely die if they try to take on another battle. It solves that problem with a single 2nd level spell slot and a minute of the player's time. Except in that scenario, isn't it better for the players to take a short rest, or retreat for a long rest? It's a lot of healing, but in practical terms the use case seems relatively narrow. I suppose there's an argument to be made that solving that issue should "cost more" than a 2nd level spell slot, though.
@MysteriousPrize
@MysteriousPrize 6 жыл бұрын
Some good points! My view, though, is that if the players in my party were beat up enough and didn't have enough time to rest or they would fail their objective, then they fail their objective and the story moves on. There doesn't need to be a magic fix all that lets players always win; sometimes they make judgement errors, and those errors have repercussions that should not be able to be solved by 1 minute of time and a single 2nd level spell. There's another issue I forgot to bring up, and that's class identity. This spell, as written, completely invalidates the healer-focused Life Cleric entirely. It means that a Moon Druid or Ranger with a Wis of 13 is a better healer than a Life domain Cleric with a Wis of 20.
@FredRedFrred
@FredRedFrred 4 жыл бұрын
@@MysteriousPrize Nope--makes for a poor story, imagine trying to sell tickets to a movie that went that way. GFL.
@JohnDoe-dj3xh
@JohnDoe-dj3xh 4 жыл бұрын
one of my favorite encounters was when our party encountered a green dragon. this was our first dragon and we had a major issue and half of us got dropped in the first action by its breath weapon. it then flew 60 feet up. our druid polymorphed it into a fish to make it hit the ground, damage carried over and it was prone. hideous laughter and a brabarian later, we killed our first dragon
@spluff5
@spluff5 3 жыл бұрын
In regards to Polymorph, "Turn him into a snail and hurl him off a cliff" has become a running joke with my group.
@duckshallrule6937
@duckshallrule6937 5 жыл бұрын
My favorite experience for phantasmal force is a spinning weightless cube of opaque goo. In order to stand/walk you use 3 senses - sight, inner ear, and proprioception(your ability to feel your shifting weight through your muscles). Opacity blinds you, spinning throws off your inner ear, and being weightless inside a cube of goo means you have no reference point for proprioception. Anyone who fails their wisdom save will flop around on the ground unable to stand for the duration.
@danielmcgillis270
@danielmcgillis270 5 жыл бұрын
If you polymorph into a giant ape in my game you imedety.find a damsel and climb a tall bulding
@NColinCorfixsen
@NColinCorfixsen 6 жыл бұрын
The polymorph spell can be better when combined with the spell Rary's Telepathic Bond. You could cast the spell before turning your allies into an cat, and still have the psychic link carry over. So now you've got a otherwise seemingly harmless cat, that could wanderer around a town, or a camp, without generally expecting to be attack on sight. And the player who's the cat, can relay everything they see or hear to the others. And of course communicate with the others.
@AlleluiaElizabeth
@AlleluiaElizabeth 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but with cat intelligence, right?
@sadariuswolf
@sadariuswolf 6 жыл бұрын
You two are just another example of Canada's beautiful people. Just tell me lore and explain game mechanics to me all night, please.
@dayalasingh5853
@dayalasingh5853 5 жыл бұрын
They're Canadian? Great.
@DaDunge
@DaDunge 4 жыл бұрын
13:30 He did however say "You don't want to sell me deathsticks... You want to go home and rethink your life"
@juicethedrip1256
@juicethedrip1256 4 жыл бұрын
“Not necessarily something that’s gonna get them to reevaluate their entire life” Obi-Wan: You want to go home and rethink your life haha.
@sibylstar
@sibylstar 3 жыл бұрын
In a one shot, a player cast Suggestion on the final boss. "Go far away" was the suggestion. I failed the save, by one point. The final boss went far away. And yes, it completely stopped the final boss fight. But the glee and happiness of the player, who had been trying to use that spell in various campaigns for years without it working (the bad guy always made the save), was worth it. He was playing a little kobold, and hadn't had much to do all session, but in that moment he felt so powerful.
@bankasai3120
@bankasai3120 5 жыл бұрын
Suggestion:Ask the villain to write an essay on the ways his plan can be thwarted.
@RocRolDis
@RocRolDis 5 жыл бұрын
I would try to summon the most evil, aggressive and uncaring creature to ever live... A FLOCK OF GEESE!
@devandeilkes3015
@devandeilkes3015 5 жыл бұрын
So having two wizards or a wizard and a bard or a two headed wizard who can both use and action can use a spell combination of phantasmal force and suggestion to completely break the realm let’s say Phantasmal force is cast on an enemy and say you put a moat of lava around the enemy Now say they use the suggestion You now have a great fear of lava and can feel the heat from the most you see. Or Phantasmal force- the ground crumbles around the enemy leaving the enemy on one coloumn of land Suggestion- you are now inhabilitatingly afraid of heights and falling. Both of these would alow you to take out enemy’s extremely easily. If pulled off correctly.
@Tentacl
@Tentacl 3 жыл бұрын
24:25 I'd prefer to assume polymorph makes it possible BUT both creatures, both the player and the victim, are exposed to the same molecular stress through sheer compression due to Newton's third law - action and reaction. In other words, yeah, you can become a living bomb that will expand inside a monster, but you'll be crushed and die too. You might add that polymorth only affects living creatures, so once the player dies the target stop receiving damage, ultimately limiting the suicide attack damage to the player HP or something along those lines...
@HaydenX
@HaydenX 4 жыл бұрын
My favorite polymorph in 3.5 (back when it was willing subjects/self only) to use on myself was one that wasn't specifically listed in the MM, but one that no DM I ever worked with ever had a problem with: an ordinary, average Common Starling. I always talked to the DM before suggesting an animal outside of documentation...but since it's one of the ten most common birds in the real world, and possesses essentially no unique talents, there was never a problem. It's commonality, and low desire for edibility, combined with hardly any human animosity toward (unlike pigeons, crows, or seagulls) made it my favorite scout transformation. It was special precisely because there is absolutely nothing special about it.
@alecprofozich459
@alecprofozich459 4 жыл бұрын
Obi. Episode two. “You will go home and rethink your life.” Victim. “I will go home and rethink my life.”
@saldiven2009
@saldiven2009 6 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite suggestions in combat was something like, "Oh, my; it appears you've forgotten something very important. You should go home and get it." Doesn't kill anyone (player or opponent), but a failed save effectively removes the target from that combat. As for polymorph, I once had a mad wizard (not evil...just not all there) who liked to sneak around the city at night and polymorph stray cats into dinosaurs, and then leave them to their own devices.
@justanotherglorpsdaymornin5097
@justanotherglorpsdaymornin5097 4 жыл бұрын
Did he ever cast it on not stray cats? Imagine being a peasant and finding a T-Rex scratching your door and then seeing your cat's collar on it. What would you do? Would this make a great plot hook at the start of the campaign if the bbeg had turned your cat permanantly into a frog or something?
@enliltheprince
@enliltheprince 6 жыл бұрын
Someone draw 8 flying t-rex'es please
@charleswilliams861
@charleswilliams861 4 жыл бұрын
Keep everything coming. I’m about to be playing a Druid in my next campaign and all your videos have made sure that I know everything and more. Keep it rolling!!!!
@RainaThrownAway
@RainaThrownAway 3 жыл бұрын
My bard uses polymorph mostly to smuggle her very scary looking pet into places by turning him into a mouse. And when she needs to change him back... the mouse gets spiked.
@Psymofu
@Psymofu 6 жыл бұрын
@Dungeon Dudes Arcane Eye is accessible for Warlocks too. Just have a look on the eldritch invocation 'Visions of Distant Realms' on page 111 in PHB. :) Even polymorph is accessible for Warlocks when using 'Sculptor of Flesh' invocation, page 111 in PHB again. In my DND group we discuss if the character would have been able to know the beast somehow to polymorph into. If the character might not be able to know a beast then he/she is not able to polymorph into that beast.
@DungeonDudes
@DungeonDudes 6 жыл бұрын
Nice catch
@burakc9673
@burakc9673 6 жыл бұрын
Absolutely amazingly done! I loved everything about this video! Please do one on the limitations and potential uses of the infamous "WISH Spell" the most game breaking of all .... Dun dun duuuunnnn
@thassalantekreskel5742
@thassalantekreskel5742 5 жыл бұрын
Man, polymorph has changed. I remember when it could turn almost any creature into just about anything. Plus, if the target failed their save, they would be stuck for life, and forget their prior existence. This was totally game breaking. Wizard creates a device that contains a copy of their memories, casts polymorph on themselves to become a dragon, intentionally fails their save, then picks up the magic gizmo. Poof, dragon-wizard, possibly a much younger one than before polymorphing.
@jackcassidy7317
@jackcassidy7317 Жыл бұрын
I’m re-watching all of my liked videos starting from the beginning and I’m now about halfway through. This is one of the first videos I watched when I first got introduced to DND and your content helped me learn to love the game. I’ve hosted many sessions and I’ve played in many campaign. Thank you for the great hobby.
@DungeonDudes
@DungeonDudes Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@baltsosser
@baltsosser 5 жыл бұрын
I'm looking at an Arcane Trickster. My thought process was simple. "I see you are walking funny in those boots. I'd suggest you walk north to the next town to get a pair that fits you better." Use Sleight of Hand to hide the hand movement to make it easier to pass off as nothing unusual. One way to get rid of a guard with no sound to alert anyone else.
@tavernmancer
@tavernmancer 6 жыл бұрын
Fly + Polymorph Fly about a hundred feet or so over the thing or things that you don't like and polymoprh yourself into a blue whale.......splat.
@leodouskyron5671
@leodouskyron5671 6 жыл бұрын
tavernmancer such a funny and nice idea but with two different issues... Falling damage to you (you can’t avoid) And the creature can see you and gets a save to get out of the way (some DMs May ac but these seems very savish)
@tavernmancer
@tavernmancer 6 жыл бұрын
@@leodouskyron5671 I'm not worried about the falling damage, anything that doesn't go over the new forms HP max is free damage. Sure the target has a chance to get out of the way if they see it coming but if it works it's going to be hilarious.
@alphapolimeris
@alphapolimeris 6 жыл бұрын
Fall damage isn't proportionnal to weight. It's quadratic. An ant can drop 500 meters and occur no damage. A bull falling 10 meters would die instantly. Mind you, this also means that the combination allows you to infiltrate VERY easily: fly and drop as an ant. That is, if you don't use the polymorph rules limiting mass and size variations, especially design to prevent polymorph abuses. But that would also invalidate the T-rex thing so I guess these rules are out of favour.
@tavernmancer
@tavernmancer 6 жыл бұрын
@@alphapolimeris given real world physics I agree but we're talking fantasy roleplaying physics. Rules as written say falling damage is 1d6 per 10 feet capping at 20d6. I don't think there are official being fallen on damage rule though. I think it's a silly idea that really should lead to the death of everyone involved but it would be funny as hell and hopefully be one of those game moments the players still talk about years later.
@Kratos_God_of_50_BMG
@Kratos_God_of_50_BMG 6 жыл бұрын
Soooo cheesy, you should have just polymorphed into an anvil, or an overused idea that weighs heavily on the minds of all who consider it!
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