Five Scriptural Proofs that Baptism Saves

[@jordantsak7683]

1) Acts 2,28 2) Acts 22,16 3) Galatians 3,26-28 4) Romans 6,3-5 5) 1st Peter 3. Thank you, Jordan.

[@reformatorpoloniae]

* 1) Acts 2,38

[@Howhardisittofindausernamebruh]

Titus 3:5 is another good one

[@caseywilliams4086]

I'm a reformed baptist and I don't think I have replayed a section of a video as many times as I did for the last 2 minutes of this video. Excellent! I was inexplicably moved by your explanation of baptism at the end, thanks be to God. Don't know quiet what that means yet personally but I think you made excellent points and, as a previous person mentioned, you balanced the issue well that it is not a work but it is not merely a sign. I love how you tied in the "not a washing of dirt" verse in to make the concept more full and in line with the Solas. I have been enjoying Dr Gavin Ortlund's videos and that presented me with having to acknowledge that we reformed baptist tend to tear the beauty and power from the sacraments of Communion and Baptism. I appreciate your thoughts and insight. I am eager to learn more and get a better understanding of what blessing the Lord has for us in the sacraments. Thank you and God bless.

[@changedman6035]

Casey, I am going to warn you right now, baptismal regeneration is a damning heresy. Dr. Cooper has demonstrated himself to not be one of Christ's sheep, rather a wolf in sheep's clothing, a false prophet.

[@changedman6035]

@Michael Tesfaye By Lutheran theology I sincerely hope you don't mean baptismal regeneration.

[@changedman6035]

@Michael Tesfaye That is a false gospel.

[@SpotterVideo]

Which baptism saves? Old Covenant Baptism vs. New Covenant Baptism (water vs. Spirit) Water baptism was a part of the Old Covenant system of ritual washing. The Old Covenant priests had to wash before beginning their service in the temple. (Ex. 30:17-30) When Christ was water baptized by His cousin John in the Jordan River, He was under the Old Covenant system. He also only ate certain foods, and wore certain clothes, as prescribed by the 613 Old Covenant laws. Christ was water baptized by John and then received the Holy Spirit from heaven. The order is reversed in the New Covenant. A person receives the Holy Spirit upon conversion, and then believers often declare their conversion to their friends and family through a water baptism ceremony. Which baptism makes you a member of Christ’s Church? The New Covenant conversion process is described below. (Born-again) Eph 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, (A person must “hear” the Gospel, and “believe” the Gospel, and will then be “sealed” with the Holy Spirit.) Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (See Jer. 31:34 for the New Covenant promise, and 1 John 2:27 for the fulfillment) ============ Which baptism is a part of the salvation process, based on what the Bible says? What did Peter say below? Acts 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning. Acts 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. Based on Luke 3:16, and John 1:33, and Acts 11:15-16, the most important thing about the word "baptize" in the New Testament has nothing to do with water. The Holy Spirit is the master teacher promised to New Covenant believers in Jeremiah 31:34, and John 14:26, and is found fulfilled in Ephesians 1:13, and 1 John 2:27. Unfortunately, many modern Christians see water when they read the word "baptize" in the text. Based on the above, what is the one baptism of our faith found in the passage below? How many times is the word "Spirit" found in the passage, and how many times is the word "water" found in the passage? Eph 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, Eph 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, (See 1 Cor. 12:13) “baptize” KJV Mat_3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: Mar_1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (Water or Holy Spirit?, See Eph. 1-13.) Luk_3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire: Joh_1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; Joh_1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 1Co_1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. (See Eph. 4:1-5) Heb 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. (Old Covenant ----> New Covenant) How many people have been saved by the Old Covenant water baptism of John the Baptist? Who did John the Baptist say is the greatest Baptist that ever lived in Luke 3:16? What kind of New Covenant baptism comes from Christ? Hebrews 9:10 Old Covenant vs. New Covenant (CSB) They are physical regulations and only deal with food, drink, and various washings imposed until the time of the new order. (ESV) but deal only with food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation. (ESV+) but deal only with R5food and drink and R6various washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation. (Geneva) Which only stood in meates and drinkes, and diuers washings, and carnal rites, which were inioyned, vntill the time of reformation. (GW) These gifts and sacrifices were meant to be food, drink, and items used in various purification ceremonies. These ceremonies were required for the body until God would establish a new way of doing things. (KJV) Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. (KJV+) Which stood onlyG3440 inG1909 meatsG1033 andG2532 drinks,G4188 andG2532 diversG1313 washings,G909 andG2532 carnalG4561 ordinances,G1345 imposedG1945 on them untilG3360 the timeG2540 of reformation.G1357 (NKJV) concerned only with foods and drinks, various washings, and fleshly ordinances imposed until the time of reformation. (NLT) For that old system deals only with food and drink and various cleansing ceremonies-physical regulations that were in effect only until a better system could be established. (YLT) only in victuals, and drinks, and different baptisms, and fleshly ordinances-till the time of reformation imposed upon them .

[@carlopiedad6429]

@@changedman6035 if you think that it is work that you need to do like as if it contradicts Sola Fide which it doesn't.

[@TheJoeschmoe777]

I think the reason many oppose baptismal regeneration is because they think of it in such a works-based context that they consider it to be just a step in a larger formula for how to get saved apart from faith. Conversely, many non-Lutheran baptismal regenerationists love it because they think baptism is a "work" they have accomplished to earn God's favor. Lutheranism to me kinda takes the best of both views and makes sense of it

[@redroses9053]

Are you Lutheran

[@lornadoone8887]

Thank you for this clear presentation of how the early classical (ie, NT, Apostolic) Christian teaching on the nature and meaning of Christian baptism is reflected in the Scriptures. Of course, the early Christians did not believe in baptismal regeneration in a mechanical or arbitrary sense, but rather in the normative and real spiritual sense. They clearly taught there were exceptions to the norm-as for example with the early martyrs who died confessing Christ without opportunity for water baptism. These were considered saved via “baptism of blood”. I was Evangelical in a church that was theologically Baptist for over three decades, but joined the Eastern Orthodox Church over a decade ago when I discovered it retained the early Christian understandings and framework for interpreting the Bible. It has been marvelously grounding and has stabilized my faith and Christian experience solidly on the Rock of God’s Eternal Word, Jesus Christ Himself. It has provided a consistently more coherent framework for the interpretation and application of the Scriptures.

[@akimoetam1282]

Modern evangelicals: wait, baptism saves? Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholics, Oriental Orthodox, Lutherans, Anglicans, Presbyterians, Methodists, every church fathers ever to write about baptism, heck even some baptists: always has.

[@jotink1]

As a modern Evangelical what Mr Cooper totally missed in Gal 3 is the whole theme of the chapter regarding the law and faith. The batism Paul mentioned has nothing to do with water baptism. It is not baptismal regeneration I have a problem with it is the work of faith in Christ and how other traditions see the importance of it. Baptism can't save in isolation yet may I ask can faith in Christ save in isolation? Is Christ's sacrifice fully sufficient to save?

[@akimoetam1282]

@@jotink1 baptism = water unless stated otherwise.

[@jotink1]

@@akimoetam1282 This whole chapter has a clear context and it is glaring that Paul is speaking about the law and faith. It is baptism in Christ not water therefore a baptism of faith which produces the unity. Therefore no Jew or Greek slave or free. The context has nothing to do with water baptism so by that it is clearly stated.

[@Phill0old]

Nobody believes that baptism saves. Luther didn't even believe it. This is why he taught that infants can have faith. Luther taught that faith saves. Baptism without faith does nothing. The alternative case must be that faith is not necessary and that every baptised person is saved. Yet we have at least one biblical case of a baptised person who wasn't saved. We also have saved people who weren't baptised. So it isn't necessary or always effective but it saves? That's an odd understanding of salvation. It introduces more than one way to be saved. One can come to Christ, by faith, by believing or one can come by another person making you wet. If baptism saves now then assuredly circumcision saved previously, except that it didn't did it? Saved people were circumcised, Abraham, but circumcised people (Muslims say) aren't saved. Assuming that baptism must mean by or in or through water is anachronistic. John the Baptist used water, so we're all those wet people saved? If they were then that is a better offer of salvation than the gospel. Paul hardly baptised anyone and was grateful that he hadn't baptised certain people. Didn't he realise that baptism would have saved them? Why didn't Jesus teach that baptism saves? Didn't he know either? What was Jesus teaching Nicodemus in John 3 if not how a person is saved?

[@dmthighway]

@@Phill0old Even Augustine, in 'On Baptism' agrees: By all these considerations it is proved that the sacrament of baptism is one thing, the conversion of the heart another; but that man's salvation is made complete through the two together. Nor are we to suppose that, if one of these be wanting, it necessarily follows that the other is wanting also; because the sacrament may exist in the infant without the conversion of the heart; and this was found to be possible without the sacrament in the case of the thief, God in either case filling up what was involuntarily wanting. But when either of these requisites is wanting intentionally, then the man is responsible for the omission. And baptism may exist when the conversion of the heart is wanting; but, with respect to such conversion, it may indeed be found when baptism has not been received, but never when it has been despised. Nor can there be said in any way to be a turning of the heart to God when the sacrament of God is treated with contempt. Therefore we are right in censuring, anathematizing, abhorring, and abominating the perversity of heart shown by heretics; yet it does not follow that they have not the sacrament of the gospel, because they have not what makes it of avail. Wherefore, when they come to the true faith, and by penitence seek remission of their sins, we are not flattering or deceiving them, when we instruct them by heavenly discipline for the kingdom of heaven, correcting and reforming in them their errors and perverseness, to the intent that we may by no means do violence to what is sound in them, nor, because of man's fault, declare that anything which he may have in him from God is either valueless or faulty.

[@kdnemeth]

Mark 16:16 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

[@patriciareynolds2729]

churches/ preachers/people have their own interp. of the bible. I think salvation is a combination of these, with belief in Christ being the main with repentence next with baptism last as we embark on our new journey!

[@BlakeSmith-eg3yq]

While Paul or Peter don’t say anything about the baptism being symbolic; they also don’t say anything specifically about baptism being symbolic or literal in general. When the apostles say be baptized does it mean to be baptized by the Spirit or by water? We don’t know! We can only make assumptions. I would love to hear why we should be taking it literally using scripture.

[@critical_mass6453]

Noah had Faith to believe God and do what he said far before he was saved through the waters.

[@Solideogloria00]

True, but doesn’t contradict God’s truth that Baptism saves. Blessings

[@villarrealmarta6103]

If the problem is about the order of which process has to happen first, then we have no scriptural text to make a claim to. Jesus in the great commission says baptize and teach. In Acts it says believe and be baptized for the forgiveness of your sins. It’s not a matter of what the order is.

[@johngeverett]

Also Collossians 2:12 "Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead."

[@NicholasproclaimerofMessiah]

"Not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God through the resurrection of Jesus Christ". Maybe Paul didn't see it necessary to specify that "baptized into Christ" is a spiritual baptism, but at least Peter was very explicit about that fact.

[@fouroakscrafts7240]

Great video Dr Cooper! I’ve been a Baptist for a long time and recently became a Lutheran (maybe 3 years now). So, I’m still trying to get my head around this. You mention that we are saved through holy baptism which I can accept. But what makes it holy baptism and an effectual baptism? I don’t think you mean (for example) that we can arbitrarily drag a stranger off the street and sprinkle water on their head, say the right words and expect them to be saved - correct? The pattern found in scripture is a strong linkage between water baptism and repentance. It seems that when people repented in those days they were immediately baptized - no need to go through a new-members class first - LOL. They were baptized almost immediately. I can accept that God links His forgiveness with the water (although water isn’t absolutely necessary as seen by the thief on the cross) but God must have or is working on the person’s heart to give them faith - correct? Then fruit should eventually follow. If we can some how say that water is holy and has saving power, then why not put it in a squirt gun and start hosing people down on the street? But I don’t that is what you’re saying here - correct?

[@SpooonCar]

This is an excellent question, especially reading this as a Baptist, I really do wish he would answer, because I have been trying to understand this myself

[@SteelWalrus]

If I had to guess, it has to do with the faith and repentance of the baptized. As far as I know, those who are baptized had already expressed their desire for salvation. So to develop it further, perhaps salvation requires the active and conscious faith of the saved.

[@chrisjchu1291]

Hi all, Dr. Cooper actually addresses the question of whether dragging someone off the street and baptizing them against their will results in salvation in his discussion of resistable grace and how the Lutheran view does not really align with Ex Opere Operato in this video, particularly around the 15-25 minute marks kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6DVkHdvZt14kNEsi=wSUxUhn2i9jQdwg5

[@micahmatthew7104]

“There are three ways in which sins are forgiven: in baptism, in prayer, and in the greater humility of penance; yet God does not forgive sins except to the baptized” (Augustine, Sermons to Catechumens on the Creed 7:15 [A.D. 395]).

[@RestlessMonarch]

I'm not allowed to get water baptized.

[@GeorgePenton-np9rh]

@@RestlessMonarch Why not?

[@Solideogloria00]

@@RestlessMonarch by whom? You haven’t been baptized?

[@GeorgePenton-np9rh]

For those who died before Jesus came, or those who believed and wanted to be baptized but who died before the Baptism could take place, the Catholic Church teaches that "baptism of desire" can suffice, provided that the person has repented of all his mortal sins and would have been baptized had he known it was what God wanted.

[@Jepajepu]

Acts 16: 31 And they said, BELIEVE on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

[@Say-Wha]

what does it say they do in the next couple verses

[@jonttu1960]

@@Say-Wha that came after they were saved.

[@rebelmadesaint3118]

@@jonttu1960 nope. How could his household be saved by his belief? “Saved” means baptism bud. The end of 1 Peter chapter 3. Baptism now doth also save you

[@beaulin5628]

@@lukasg9031 You got it right, friend. Thank you. The comments on this page not understanding that baptism FOLLOWS faith and repentance, never before that, or by itself without first believing the Gospel, are troubling.

[@David-cw7pd]

I read the proper distinction between law and gospel many years ago (and consider it the most important theolpgy book Ive ever read and agree with large sections of it), and one of the things I remember him (walther) saying is that people hate baptism saving because it makes salvation too easy, theres no works involved just be baptised and youre saved, and I remember thinking, if I even have to be baptised to be saved, it is more than my soul can bear for I am relying is nothing more than Jesus's mere promise, believe and be saved, and if I have to step into the water before that promise is sure, then my soul cannot bear it, it is asking too much of me to say I must do more than simply believe

[@craigjoyner9857]

Amen to this video. Jesus has made it so clear. It’s always been faith unto obedience, whether the New Testament or the old covenant. In this covenant, it’s faith unto obedience in water baptism for the remission of sins, to be receive the Holy Spirit and to be saved.

[@kimberleerivera4135]

If "water" saves - then why did JESUS have to die!? Because the Bible says there is NO FORGIVENESS without the SHEDDING BLOOD. The blood of lambs and boats could not take away sins --- Only The Blood Of The LORD JESUS CHRIST, The LAMB Of GOD, WHO Is The Propitiation For The Remission Of Sins! Glory To GOD!!!

[@kimberleerivera4135]

The Bible tells us that GOD laughs at the "traditions" of men.

[@craigjoyner9857]

Kimberlee Rivera, Old Testament Passover of exodus 12, is a foreshadowing of the Jesus Christ, the true Passover lamb. Moses gets the message from on high, preaches it to the people, the people believe (faith), the blood that is sufficient to provide provision for all is shed, the blood is applied to the doorposts (obedience in faith), those who applied the blood house is spared the wrath of god. Jesus Christ is just the same. There is no forgiveness of sin without blood shed of the lamb of god, but we apply that blood to our account when we are baptized into Christ. Galatians 3:26-27 KJV [26] For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. [27] For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. The blood of Jesus has to be applied. How do you think we apply the blood of Jesus?

[@rebelmadesaint3118]

@@craigjoyner9857 AMEN!!! Good on you brother! Teach the truth! Glory to our God and Savior Christ Jesus!!!!!

[@arcticfox2639]

Wrong!

[@fernandoperez8587]

There was no sinner's prayer, but baptism was the only mode of conversion for sinners.

[@pollyjetix2027]

and yet, the "sinner's prayer" is based on Scripture. God requires repentance, and He requires us to "call on the Name of the Lord." And He requires water baptism.

[@fernandoperez8587]

Sorta, but it has been give an unbiblical focus and importance over baptism. The early church, the biblical church didn't see the convert repent or say a prayer and then be baptized months if not years later. The whole repent and be baptized happened together and thats the way it should be.

[@pollyjetix2027]

@@fernandoperez8587 I agree completely.

[@davidortega357]

Sinners prayer was mans invention. to.make u religious. False salvation true salvation is found in the book of ACTS 2:38

[@douglasdde376]

Baptism saves, believing in Jesus saves, consuming his body and blood saves, Matt 25, lambs and goats those who do the will of the father will be saved, the word of God properly discerned by a teaching authority , thanks for your excellent presentation.

[@darewan8233]

No disrespect. honest question. how can gal. 3 be speaking of water baptism if Abraham himself was never water baptized? he is the example of salvation for new testament believers. yes?

[@felbertrante3125]

um baptism is a symbol of life changing but the only thing to receive salvation is to repent and become born again

[@vernramsey4676]

It seems to me that we receive the Holy Spirit in response to faith in the gospel message that He actually co-authored with the apostles. The presence of the Spirit in the believer is the seal of God’s ownership and the guarantee that we WILL inherit final, full salvation. Peter’s post-Pentecost sermon promised “. . . Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself” (esv.to/Acts2.38-39). It seems as though people have accepted this approach as the only option available for receiving the Spirit and becoming a child of God. This perplexes me because a short time later in Peter’s dealings with Cornelius, the Spirit is given BEFORE baptism. Certainly Peter’s sermon carries a promise that God will honor, but can we insist that everyone MUST go this route? The thief on the cross had no opportunity for baptism but went to Paradise that very day. I wonder if too much blood is spilled unnecessarily by genuine believers in this debate. Peter’s sermon seems comprehensive and covers all the bases so power to those who lean that way, but patience with other approaches seem in order. God WANTS us to be baptized and, at least for me, that’s enough apart from the various significant implications involved.

[@vernramsey4676]

Christian Kachare Christian, I have never thought of baptism as washing away my sins as scripture ( Heb 10:10-18) tells me that it was the blood of Jesus that did that, precisely speaking. Now two schools of thought on how we gain access into this status tend to see it as an either/or situation. Baptism is one instrument through which we gain access. Others are taught (and this is what Paul stresses) that we gain access through hearing about this foundational work of Christ and believing/trusting in it. Baptism should necessarily follow, but can we legitimately tie God’s hands and force this false dichotomy? In the Acts of the Apostles, God exercises His prerogative and works through both approaches. He will accept a believer whether he comes as Peter bade the Jews to in his post-Pentecost sermon or whether He draws people as Peter did when he preached to Cornelius. In either case, baptism was part of the package for a true believer. Baptism itself is not an either/or proposition. God has offered both ways of gaining access into salvation and we are free use either one.

[@rauldelarosa2768]

@Christian Kachare there's no proof all of the apostles were baptized, sure Paul we know he said he was, yet he says he has not come to baptize, so why emphasize that when he said we are saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus alone and not of works lest any man should boast, Paul further says that if you receive circumcision Christ is come of no benefit to you, nobody's saying to deny baptism, what the scriptures plainly teach is the thief on the cross never got dunked, he merely looked to Jesus Christ in faith and was saved, he never could obey in baptism, or righting the wrongs, or pay back society, yet he's in heaven.

[@rauldelarosa2768]

@Christian Kachare you're talking past people my guy.. I never said you should avoid baptism, nor did I deny being baptized.. In fact, I've been baptized 3 times last time I checked. 1st time as an infant in the church of Rome and that doesn't count, for one a baby can't repent.. 2. The bible is clear that salvation is by grace through faith in Christ Jesus alone and not of works lest any man should boast, Ephesians says that. In Galatians Paul chastised them, in fact calling them foolish for seeking to be justified by works.. It's clear, Jesus Christ himself told that thief that he was going to be saved. And that was the result of him merely looking to Christ by faith.. He had no way to undo the wrongs, or join the church or be baptized.. Baptismal regeneration is works salvation and heretical, it makes the testimony of a Christian invalid as it points to an external thing to save and adds to the finished work of Jesus Christ..

[@toots4jesus]

Excellent! Not many see this or care to see it. We must be baptized! Paul talks even more about it throughout the whole NT Jesus Himself says when telling Nicodemus about being born again, lest one be born of water and spirit he cannot enter the kingdom. John 3:5

[@pedjastanich4347]

Well done Jordan Cooper. Finally someone who has reason and knows how to read. Keep it up. Regards and prayers from New Zealand

[@vernramsey4676]

Dr. Cooper, I have thoroughly enjoyed your books and videos. I too learned to appreciate Theology and aspects of Philosophy through encounters with Reformed teaching though that came a number of years after I had become a Christian. You have helped me to to see the beauty of the Lutheran perspective a great deal. I appreciate also your candid admission about how Lutheran and Reformed believers often misquote or misconstrue one another’s teachings. I’ve spent the last four years studying Luther’s Works, the Book of Concord and especially Walther’s “The Proper Distinction Between Law and Gospel.” A lot of my own misconceptions have been cleared up as a result. You have given me a lot of food for thought and I pray God continues to bless both your pastoral scholarly ministries.

[@DrJordanBCooper]

Thanks for the encouragement!

[@caroldonaldson5936]

This is the clearest teaching I have heard on this subject and I know I'll listen again - thank you!🙏😇🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@yeyofamoelguerosalvaje6861]

we come to baptism to receive the grace of God. Baptism is a work God.

[@matthew_4665]

Just also wanted to point out that David Pawson, an English Credobaptist, wrote a book entitled "The Normal Christian Birth" in which he also makes the case for baptismal regeneration. A fascinating stance seen rarely ever among credobaptists. Which I totally agree with

[@matthew_4665]

And he was also in favor of the statement that "baptism saves"

[@richinHisKingdom]

Sir, baptism is an answer to God's call through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. A baby can't make that call.

[@bowlineastronomenov5507]

If Baptism saves then can a person be saved for just Baptizing them without faith? If this is true then we can just baptize every people here on earth without ever preaching the gospel then?

[@justinkemper8209]

I mean, you could try to do that…try to get everyone to go to church and be baptized in the name of the Father Son and Holy Ghost. That would work because it’s always the water and the word. Gods word is what makes the water “work” to save. It’s never just water alone.

[@ethancharles7918]

For every verse you mention I feel like I could mention 2 verses about salvation where baptism is not mentioned.

[@ethancharles7918]

@Bubba Bubba Sorry, let me say it differently. I honestly believe there are just too many scriptures that lay out salvation without baptism to conclude it's apart of it. If i can't be saved by trusting in Jesus, then I don't see how the scripture has any coherency.

[@rebelmadesaint3118]

@@ethancharles7918 to take specific parts of scripture and denying others is to take away from the word of God, and is to not teach the whole truth!! We are to combine everything! Not throw away some!!!

[@ethancharles7918]

@@rebelmadesaint3118 yessir I believe you. I believe that minority verses that appear to conflict with the majority of belief verses can be reconciled. I would throughout my life want to always be eliminating the contradictions in my beliefs.

[@rebelmadesaint3118]

@@ethancharles7918 amen! All scripture can be reconciled to itself with proper understanding

[@rebelmadesaint3118]

@@ethancharles7918 so have you eliminated the contradictions? The apostle Peter says baptism now saves you, I’d like to know if you’re still wrestling with that fact ❤️

[@approvedofGod]

The error that you Dr. Cooper and others commit is in not studying all of the New Testament doctrine of water baptism. Start with John the Baptist who was to prepare the "way of the Lord." All baptismal passages associated with John reveal something very clear. Water baptism is the "baptism of repentance for the remission of sins." Did you get that? Repentance precedes water baptism. All who were baptized had to repent before they were baptized. So when you come to Acts 2:38 it follows the same baptism of John; for repentance. Acts 2:38 starts with Repent and be baptized.

[@Mygoalwogel]

How does the Bible define repentance?

[@zarnoffa]

You either believe what the Bible says or you believe someone else’s reinterpretation of the Bible. Just accept the Bible’s plain words. Baptism saves. If that doesn’t make sense, your idea of being saved might need to be upgraded. Baptism saves because the Promise of God is there in the water given to you individually. It’s a personal Promise, not like someone on TV who pretends to speak to you individually, but is actually talking to a camera with no idea who is watching, but God really and truly is present and pronounces His Promise to you personally and individually in Baptism. His promises produce faith and faith saves us through Christ.

[@EdgeOfEntropy17]

The Bible says faith saves WITHOUT works. How do you explain this?

[@zarnoffa]

Nevermore77 Is reading the Bible a work? Is hearing a preacher preach the Gospel a work? Is a minister invoking the name of Jesus Christ over you a work? No. These aren’t works. These are the ways God directs His Word and healing into your life so you can have faith.

[@EdgeOfEntropy17]

@@zarnoffa Whoa, Does reading your Bible save you?

[@zarnoffa]

Nevermore77 “and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.” - 2 Timothy 3:15

[@EdgeOfEntropy17]

Not exactly what I asked, but here: John 5:39 "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me."

[@random-J]

One scripture to what baptism is. "Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead". It has to do with the old man dying with Christ and a new creation coming up with christ. Colossians:2:12

[@AZVIDE0Z]

Oy The comments from the baptists and "evangelicals" are cringe worthy To use the phrase: The Bible says Baptism now saves you. Read 1 Peter 3:21. GOD'S INSPIRED SCRIPTURES

[@brandonw.peebles4225]

Well my next question would be then what happens to Christians who aren't baptized when they die?

[@Howhardisittofindausernamebruh]

The sacrements aren't mechanical, they are instruments of God's grace. God can save and condemn who he likes. Christ said that whoever loves him will keep his commandments. One of them is baptism. If a believer doesn't have an opportunity to be baptised, the Orthodox church does not believe God will condemn him. But if a believer is willingly disobedient to Christ, that's a different story

[@livingwater7580]

Acts 1 5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

[@timm439]

So Christ's saving work on the cross is not sufficient for salvation? It requires a human act of clergy? That's quite arrogant of you. "For it is by grace you have been saved through faith" (not baptism chosen by my parents) "...not by works, so that no [clergy] can boast". Eph 2:8-9

[@Mygoalwogel]

Define faith.

[@dreweverett5952]

1. You distort the Scriptures again. In order to understand Acts 2:38, one must listen to the good news that Peter preached before they asked what they should do. Peter clearly presented the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. You saw how they clearly felt guilt. Peter’s first answer was repent. We compare this to the reaction of John the immerser’s audience in Luke 3. They wanted to get immersed without turning from their sins. Turning from one’s sin must precede the entrance of the LORD, (Isaiah 40:3; Mark 1:1-3). The listeners to Peter’s message were already willing to believe the good news about Jesus being the Christ of Psalm 2 and Psalm 110. It should be noted that John’s immersion signified only turning from sin to God. The immersion that Peter was instructing signified repentance and saving faith. Though it looked the same as John’s immersion, it now took on a new meaning in that it showed a believer was identifying with the death and resurrection of Christ. Since Christ had not yet died for sins and rose from the dead in John’s immersing ministry days, it is clear that the new born again believer’s immersion stood for much more. This significant difference is shown in Acts 18:24-28 with Apollos’ incomplete knowledge until he was instructed and in Acts 19:1-6 the disciples Paul found to have been immersed “into John’s immersion” and so when they understood this, they all were immersed again in the name of the Lord Jesus. Also, just as John the immerser’s immersions stood “for” turning from sinning to God, in Acts 2:38 Peter pointed out that this new significance of immersion stood “for” the forgiveness of sins that being regenerated by the Holy Spirit produces in every true believer. 2. Acts 22:16- You connect the washing of sins with baptism, but the washing of sins is connected with “calling on the Name of the Lord.” (see Joel 2:32 and Rom.10:13 where “calling on the Name of the Lord” is necessary for salvation.) It is also helpful to study Acts 9:1-18 which gives us the original details of Paul’s regeneration as Paul is recounting it in Acts 22:16. You misinterpret the “washing of sins” with H20. Jesus taught us in John 7:37-39 that the Holy Spirit is that “water” that believers would receive when they are baptized in the Holy Spirit, “Jesus stood and cried out, saying, “If anyone is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink. He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’ But this He spoke of the Spirit whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.” We also are taught in Ephesians 5:25-27 “Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her. So that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless.” This unity of the Holy Spirit and the Word of God in cleansing the sins of us sinners is taught again in John 15:3 by the Lord Jesus when he said, “You are already clean because of the Word which I have spoken to you.” It takes belief in the Word of God to be cleansed by the Holy Spirit of our sins. 3. Galatians 3:26-28- You pass over v. 26 that says, “For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.”! Faith in Christ Jesus is what saves! This is what this whole chapter hammers home again and again; e.g. 3:2; “did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law or by hearing with faith?”; v.5, “He who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the law , or by hearing with faith?”; v.6, “Even so Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.”; v.7 “Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham.”; v.8 “The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “all the nations will be blessed in you.”; v.9 “So then those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer.”; v.11 “The righteous man shall live by faith.”; v.14 “In order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit though faith.”; v.22 “For the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.”; v.24 “The law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith.”. So at least twelve times in that short portion of Scripture the Holy Spirit emphasizes faith in Christ Jesus is the only thing that saves. Here is an erroneous view that you share with John Calvin and the Catholic Church. You all falsely interpret Galatians 3:27 as referring to water baptism. Verse 27 says, “For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.” This verse is speaking of the baptism of the Holy Spirit, not immersion in water. I Corinthians 12:13 says, “For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks , whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.” This is the way all are placed into the body of Christ, the church, by the Holy Spirit baptizing us into the body of Christ. You trivialize the view of this referring “to some Spirit baptism”. This ignores all the teaching about the doctrine of the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Look at Matthew 3:11 John the immerser predicted Jesus would baptize with the Holy Spirit; Mark 1:8 John the immerser said “I baptized you with water; but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”; Luke 3:16 he says again, “John answered and said to them all, ‘As for me, I baptize you with water, but One is coming who is mightier than I, and I am not fit to untie the thong of His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.”; John 1:33 John said of the Lord Jesus, “I did not recognize Him, but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, ‘He upon whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining upon Him, this is the One who baptizes in the Holy Spirit.” Then the Lord Jesus after His resurrection gathered his apostles together in Jerusalem in Acts 1:4-5 and we read, “Gathering them together, He commanded them not to leave Jerusalem, but to wait for what the Father had promised, which, He said you heard of from Me; for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” Of course this happened on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2 and the church was born with those first believers who were baptized by the Holy Spirit into the body of Christ which is the church. This is where the church was born. 4. Romans 6:3-5- All of your positions so far in this video are supported by your taking Scripture out of context, so let’s look at the two verses before v. 3 here and the two after. Verses 1-6, “What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ have been baptized into His death: therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. For it we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; for he who has died is freed from sin.“ This passage is speaking of the meaning of believer’s immersion. The key here is to note the simile used in verse 4, “that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.” When a believer is immersed under the water it symbolizes death of the old life, and when he is brought back up it symbolizes the new life in Christ. 5. I Peter 3:18-22- You miss the lesson of the water of the flood and Noah and his family, and the water of baptism. Noah and his family were saved because by faith they believed God and built and got into the ark. They were actually saved from the watery death of the flood. The water meant sure death to all who were not in the ark. The ark symbolizes the security in believing in Christ. The water of believer’s immersion also represents death. Just as all who were not in the ark drowned and died, anyone who is submerged in water with out being raised up will die as well. This is another point for immersion as the only acceptable mode of showing our old man died in the submersion under the water. Sprinkling baptism loses the symbolism and makes no sense in addition to no Scripture that ever teaches sprinkling for baptism. In verse 21 he points out that immersion does not remove dirt from the flesh. Dirt is translated as filth in the ASV, NKJV and KJV. So immersion does not actually teach washing at all, but “an appeal to God for a good conscience---through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.” For a believer to obey the Lord by turning from their sins to God, believing in Christ’s death and resurrection as the finished work done by Christ on their behalf, and submitting to Christ’s command to be immersed in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, (Matthew 28:19), as a testimony of their salvation by faith, that believer can have a good conscience they have obey the Lord Jesus Christ’s command.

[@gyngyslszl]

Man, that looks like a scriptural exegesis!

[@Juanrepublicnotion]

Peter explained.. this water symbolizes baptism that saves.. he did not say this water symbolizes another symbol which is baptism because you have been saved already according to faith-alone proponents.. did they even hear themselves how they sounded like a stretch to suit their doctrine? Kudos brother!

[@jordanb.4133]

Do you think it is possible for someone to be forgiven of sins, have their hearts cleansed, and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit before being baptized?

[@boicejr8380]

Yes that is literally what it means to be saved by grace not of works

[@Solideogloria00]

@@boicejr8380 I think you’re confusing categories. We are saved by Jesus’s work and baptism is a God’s work, not mans. That’s why the Bible says “baptism saves”.

[@beaulin5628]

The thief on the cross was saved by his FAITH alone. He had no time to be baptized.

[@SOWWHATAPOLOGETICS]

​@@Solideogloria00The Bible often times calls something what it signifies.

[@TheMendenhallen]

​@@beaulin5628 Triune Baptism was not established until after Jesus died, so that example is something of a moot point. Even if that wasn't the case, God can save whoever however he wants, but God's church is limited to what is given to us in the great commission.

[@charlie4christ536]

Not only this, but if the gospel was preached already to Abraham (Gal. 3:8), how could New Covenant baptism be part of the gospel and required for salvation (when it didn't exist)? Obviously Abraham never received Christian baptism and yet was declared righteous by faith in God and before circumcision (Rom. 4:3, 10) and Paul applies this same way of salvation to us believers today (Rom. 4:12, 16). If circumcision is the Covenantal sign in the Old Testament and baptism has replaced it as the New Covenant sign (see Col. 2:11-12), Romans 4 would prove Abraham and us Christians today can be justified and imputed as righteous APART from receiving the sign. Note Simon the Magician was baptized and yet never received the remission of sins (Acts 8). Baptism should never be used as a work. This already contradicts Solus Christus, Sola Gratia, and Sola Fide.

[@leeenk6932]

You are right, God does not need to baptize to save, because he is God. Yes Abraham was justified before, but then why did God say that after he established the covenant of circumcision that whoever would not get circumcised would be cut off? Abraham coulda said "but Lord im already justified." Right? Well so why did Abraham need circumcision? Because God said so. How could all be saved before the new covenant? Is not God, God? Can He not do whatever He wants? If Christ commanded baptism as the primary mode and sign into the church, then so be it. People always say baptism is a work, like its asking to move a mountain. How hard is it really to be baptized? Can a person who has no means of baptism be saved if he has somehow no way to be baptized, like the thief on the cross? Of course, again can God not do as he pleases? God is not bound by any law or restriction, but we are, and no im not preaching legalism or the law of moses, im saying be are bound by whatever God bounds us by or tells us. From my study of scripture, baptism is commanded, and always associated with the, rebirth, forgiveness of sins and receiving the Holy Spirit and is associated with circumcision spirituality. You're right that Abraham was justified before circumcision, but what would have happened if Abraham would have not been circumcised after God commanded him to do so? God gives us the free gift of salvation, but we have to be willing to walk up and grab it.

[@eliasg.2427]

BAPTISM IS NOT A WORK.

[@vernramsey4676]

Mark Anderson “He received the sign of circumcision as a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised” (Rom. 4:11a). This seems to be the answer to your question about what would have happened if Abraham had not been circumcised. How? Firstly, he was declared righteous because of faith. Circumcision was the seal or sign of it not the CAUSE. Abraham clearly obeyed the the requirement for circumcision as the act of a righteous person who desired to serve God not in order to become or acquire righteousness.

[@thefaithful4337]

Okay but demons and the devil himself believes Jesus was God's Son, yet they're in Hell.. faith alone doesn't save. Plus, Jesus Himself was baptized and flat out said to repent and be baptized in water. Why is it so hard to follow a simple command?

[@bradley8224]

I think this gentlemen needs to get a refund from his seminary, whatever one that may be. How on earth can you spend years in the Scripture and so poorly handle it?

[@thomascomerford9683]

@Phil Andrew HAHAHA nice.

[@BruceLee75750]

Poor Bradley😂 Study your scriptures much?

[@themessenger6232]

The thief on the cross died in the old covenant, thus he didn't need to be baptized.1 Peter 3:21"baptism doth also now save".Under the new covenant baptism saves now ; there was a time when baptism didn't save( old covenant).Lastly there was some believers in Acts 19:3-5 who were baptized unto John's baptism .Paul explained that John baptized with the baptism of repentance and pointed them to Christ Jesus.When they heard this they were re baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus......Baptism the proper way is necessary

[@markgoldsmith4209]

Actually, no he did not. Christ died before him. With His Blood shed, the New Covenant was in effect. Acts 2:38 is totally misunderstood by people because of the word for. COC and other churches believe the word "for" remission means in order to receive, yet we take aspirin for headaches, but not in order to receive one. It is clear from Romans 8 that when the Holy Spirit is in one, they are saved. Cornelius received the Holy Spirit before water baptism. The Spirit seals us Ephesians 4:30 to redemption. He seal those who are His, not unbelievers.

[@markgoldsmith4209]

@Asaph Vapor You are correct. Coc always say the thief was saved under the old Covenant, yet the book of Hebrews clearly teaches that nobody was saved under the law. Hebrews 9:15-16 clearly teaches those who were under the old were saved by the new Covenant.

[@hannahrea-campbell6904]

The Messenger Jesus was baptized 3 years before he died! That’s not true! Messenger.

[@richinHisKingdom]

The Bible doesn't say that the thief on the cross wasn't baptized. God has mercy on whom he chooses. He is Lord over the sabbath as well. Mark 1616 says go forth baptizing those that are baptized will be saved. Those who do not believe will be damned

[@SpotterVideo]

Which baptism? Old Covenant Baptism vs. New Covenant Baptism (water vs. Spirit) Water baptism was a part of the Old Covenant system of ritual washing. The Old Covenant priests had to wash before beginning their service in the temple. (Ex. 30:17-30) When Christ was water baptized by His cousin John in the Jordan River, He was under the Old Covenant system. He also only ate certain foods, and wore certain clothes, as prescribed by the 613 Old Covenant laws. Christ was water baptized by John and then the Holy Spirit came from heaven. (Acts 10:38) The order is reversed in the New Covenant. A person receives the Holy Spirit upon conversion, and then believers often declare their conversion to their friends and family through a water baptism ceremony. Which baptism makes you a member of Christ’s Church? The New Covenant conversion process is described below. (Born-again) Eph 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, (A person must “hear” the Gospel, and “believe” the Gospel, and will then be “sealed” with the Holy Spirit.) Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (See Jer. 31:34 for the New Covenant promise, and 1 John 2:27 for the fulfillment) ============ Which baptism is a part of the salvation process, based on what the Bible says? What did Peter say below? Acts 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning. Acts 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. Based on Luke 3:16, and John 1:33, and Acts 11:15-16, the most important thing about the word "baptize" in the New Testament has nothing to do with water. The Holy Spirit is the master teacher promised to New Covenant believers in Jeremiah 31:34, and John 14:26, and is found fulfilled in Ephesians 1:13, and 1 John 2:27. Unfortunately, many modern Christians see water/ every time they read the word "baptize" in the text. Based on the above, what is the one baptism of our faith found in the passage below? How many times is the word "Spirit" found in the passage, and how many times is the word "water" found in the passage? Eph 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, Eph 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, (See 1 Cor. 12:13) “baptize” KJV Mat_3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: Mar_1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (Water or Holy Spirit?, See Eph. 1-13.) Luk_3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire: Joh_1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; Joh_1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 1Co_1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. (See Eph. 4:1-5) Heb 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. (Old Covenant ----> New Covenant) How many people have been saved by the Old Covenant water baptism of John the Baptist? Who did John the Baptist say is the greatest Baptist that ever lived in Luke 3:16? What kind of New Covenant baptism comes from Christ? Hebrews 9:10 Old Covenant vs. New Covenant (ESV) but deal only with food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation. (Geneva) Which only stood in meates and drinkes, and diuers washings, and carnal rites, which were inioyned, vntill the time of reformation. (GW) These gifts and sacrifices were meant to be food, drink, and items used in various purification ceremonies. These ceremonies were required for the body until God would establish a new way of doing things. (KJV) Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. (KJV+) Which stood onlyG3440 inG1909 meatsG1033 andG2532 drinks,G4188 andG2532 diversG1313 washings,G909 andG2532 carnalG4561 ordinances,G1345 imposedG1945 on them untilG3360 the timeG2540 of reformation.G1357 (NKJV) concerned only with foods and drinks, various washings, and fleshly ordinances imposed until the time of reformation. (NLT) For that old system deals only with food and drink and various cleansing ceremonies-physical regulations that were in effect only until a better system could be established. (YLT) only in victuals, and drinks, and different baptisms, and fleshly ordinances-till the time of reformation imposed upon them .

[@beowulf.reborn]

10:03 "What saves us, is the promise that God has attached to that water." No, what saves us is the "appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ," this is why Baptism is always preceded by repentance and faith, we are Baptised into Christ's death through the Spirit as we "call on His name". The physical act of washing with water, like all works of obedience, serves as a testimony and witness to our faith, but it is the Grace of God that we receive through faith as we appeal to Him for a good conscience that saves us. By grace you have been saved through faith. Does Baptism save? Yes. But not through the physical washing of water, but through the faith that takes us to water in the first place.

[@vernramsey4676]

B E O W U L F This is such an interesting conversation between people who, as far as I can tell, take their faith seriously. Is this interaction about deciding the foundation of what saves us? If it is then my answer would be the death of Christ on the cross and the Father’s total satisfaction with it. Without that foundation the “faith to believe” and/or any sacrament that is used as an instrument for accessing this salvation seems useless.

[@kimberleerivera4135]

Glory To GOD!!! Thank you!

[@edwardphillips8796]

100% wrong . Getting wet or not getting wet will NOT determine If you go to hell or heaven . Jesus righteousness is imputed on those who by faith ask Jesus for forgiveness . Folks are lost in the doctrines of your church . Twisting scripture like Satan

[@beowulf.reborn]

@@edwardphillips8796 who are you replying to?

[@Skibidivm_Latrinae]

“WHAT ABOUT THE THIEF ON THE CROSS” 🤓☝️

[@jimwesterbeck6636]

that the process of salvation involves the following steps: In order, 1-5 One must be properly taught, and hear (Romans 10:14-17); One must believe or have faith (Hebrews 11:6, Mark 16:16); One must repent, which means turning from one's former lifestyle and choosing God's ways (Acts 17:30); One must confess belief that Jesus is the son of God (Acts 8:36-37); One must be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ (Acts 2:38); and One must live faithfully as a Christian (1 Peter 2:9).

[@hernani_neto]

Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, And brought them out, and said, Sirs, *what must I do to be saved?* And they said, *Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house* Acts 16:31

[@TheCalledOutOnes316]

Acts 16 31-33 Look at the Bible as a whole. They were baptized after hearing the Word. So they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” 32 Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. 33 And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their stripes. And immediately he and all his family were baptized.

[@robertnieten7259]

The Word " believe" in the original Greek of the N.T. can be a noun or a verb. The jailer and his family believed in Jesus Christ by repenting and being baptized.

[@beaulin5628]

Then Paul and Silas went to the jailer's home with him and PREACHED the gospel to his whole household who then believed in Jesus for salvation and were baptized because of their faith.

[@glenhowell6909]

Im ready for the second vid!

[@Jepajepu]

1 Joh 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the BLOOD of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from ALL sin.

[@kimberleerivera4135]

AMEN! Glory To GOD!!!

[@fishouttawtr]

I NEED THE HOLY SPIRIT TO TEACH ME, MY SIN IS SEPARATING ME FROM GOD!!! THERE ARE NOTHING BUT "FEEL GOOD" CHURCHES AROUND ME, EVEN MY LOCAL CHURCH OF CHRIST SEEMS LUKEWARM TO ME, I REALLY FEEL LOST AND UNABLE TO GROW WITHOUT TRUE BIBLICAL FELLOWSHIP!!!

[@firdeleafe6995]

Praying that God will guide you to a place where you can grow in fellowship with other Christians. Fear not. :)

[@toots4jesus]

Baptism is the death of self and coming out of the water alive into Christs resurrection life. Dead men don’t sin. So if we died to sin in the waters of baptism why would we then live in sin? People do not understand this but Paul tells us this also in Romans 6:1-8 pretty clear there as well

[@elkellenhabla]

If baptism regenerates why do we see people receiving the Holy Spirit without baptism in Acts? Also, why would an unregenerate person submit to baptism?

[@stephenbailey9969]

If baptism alone saved, then there would be no need for confirmation or anything else. Just get a faithful person to go around dunking other people, as Augustine suggested, and they would be saved regardless of the rest of their lives. Baptism is the public confession of a repentant turn to faith. It all goes together, as the earliest Christians knew. "For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved." (Romans 10:10) That doesn't mean that a person needs to get rebaptized if they were baptized as a baby, as long as the contrite heart and faith exist today. It all goes together.

[@shantylovers3607]

sus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, `You must be born again. ... So it is with everyone born of the Spirit." Hearing the gospel, believe it, repent, then Baptism takes place, then we receive the fullness of the Holy Spirit after baptism. When we are told to confess with our mouth that Jesus is Lord what it really means is that we declare Him as Lord, when we get baptised we declared Jesus as Lord, we made it known to the Christian crowd He is now master of our personal everyday life and choices and decisions, even our emotions and that we would live out His words. The two work together, you confess He is Lord and you get baptised. Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, `You must be born again. ... So it is with everyone born of the Spirit." Jesus was very specific and He said I tell you the TRUTH. The truth means there’s no false news in it and there’s nothing else anyone can say that can twist his message his about to pass, it’s fully true… unless your born of water (baptism) and the Spirit (receiving the Holy Spirit) you cannot enter Heaven. Period. It’s not about putting your hands on your chest and saying the sinners prayer, it’s about seeing that Christ died for you, being cut to the heart, immediately obeying and repenting and get baptised, then your continued to be taught the scriptures (matthews 28:18-20) and put it into practice. Baptism makes you know that you have made a commitment and a tie to Jesus. You have promised Him that you have understood His message, you are truly sorry and that u were ready to change, that’s why you count the cost of what it means to be a disciple before you get baptised. Cuz after baptism you can’t be enjoying the world again. You have to strive hard to continue the path of righteousness. Anytime I feel like I’m about to struggle with with celibacy and wanting to have a partner to touch, I’m reminded me that I decided to count the cost and made it known to the crowd and before God that in my everyday life Jesus will be Lord and that means Lord over my mind. My baptism reminds me of so much honestly, it helps to remember who I was in the past and where I am now and the fact I made a vow to God after my baptism. Baptism gives this sense of accountability and that’s what I really love about it cuz it reminds me don’t turn to that sin, don’t let the enemy come into ur mind, change your thought and make it obedient to Christ. Baptism holds us accountable. The sinners prayer doesn’t, anyone can say it and that same night go back to having sex, clubbing etc.

[@Mygoalwogel]

Celibacy is a martyrdom! Please check out Pr. Wolfmueller's KZbin study on the life of Issac. It just so strongly made me wish he had been my pastor when I was a burning teenager!

[@diedreb4611]

Yes...cleansed by the one who came in the earth of water and Spirit

[@devinlawson2208]

No Lutheran thinks just water cleans sins, it's plain water with God's Word.

[@prayunceasingly2029]

I would assume Lutherans believe it's not the water itself but what God does through the act of baptism that is effectual.

[@risskitt]

God uses His own creation to accomplish salvation for the world: a cross made of wood; the water of Baptism; and the bread and wine of the Eucharist.

[@Bob_Squared23]

Beautifully said

[@markw6745]

Dont forget mark 16:16, he who believes and is baptised will be saved, im praying that this truth will be restored to the body of christ in these last days

[@angelinebui2562]

"'He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned." I would consider the last part.

[@memowilliam9889]

And what happens to those that simply believe and are not baptized? Does Jesus tell them to piss off and send them to hell. - - - - Jesus made the comparison and contrast that to be born of the water is to be born of the flesh ie natural birth and to be born of the spirit is to be born again. - John 3: 5-6 The very confusion that Nicodemus had was regarding a natural birth occurring a 2nd time; a clarification of John’s water baptism was not at all being discussed. - John 3:4 Water baptism was very significant to the jews; they had performed centuries of ceremonial water cleansing on almost everything. They understood the significance and symbolism of it. Jesus never baptized anyone. - John 4:2 John proclaimed that Jesus would baptize with the spirit and with fire and not water. - Matthew 3:11 & Mark 1:8 Some of the disciples of Jesus were formerly disciples of John the “water baptizer”; they were jews and understood the Jewish ceremonial aspect of water baptism. Paul couldn’t remember the few jews that he had baptized, was glad it wasn’t any of those that he was writing to, and declared that Jesus had sent him not to baptize but to preach the gospel. - I Corinthians 1:14-17 One would think that if water baptism was SO important that it would have been a little clearer in God’s word. Peter declares that baptism saves, “not by cleansing of the filth of the flesh, but the response of a good conscience” ie someone that genuinely believes the gospel ... you know... “the good news” - I Peter 3:21 We are saved by grace through faith; - Ephesians 2:8-9 water baptism was a symbolic ceremonially process that got carried into the new covenant church. It’s not necessary for salvation and probably no longer applicable to any church. If Jesus was to baptize with the spirit and with fire ( Matt 3:11 & Mark 1:8) then he would have commissioned this to his disciples, not water baptism. Matthew 28:19 I don’t care if I water baptize another person. My hope is that my listeners respond in genuine repentance, faith in Jesus’s substitutionary death and are born again - baptized in the spirit

[@paulbrennan4163]

*FIVE BIBLICAL REASONS BIBLICALLY REFUTED!* 1. Acts 2:38. There are several things that we need to be conscious of when we read this passage. To start with, take note that what Peter did NOT tell the Jewish believers here is that if they neglected to get baptized they would not be saved, or even that they would not be forgiven. All he was doing was giving them an answer to the question they asked him, which was: "what _should_ we do?" Peter suggests that they "repent and be baptized". And why did Peter think it was important for them to be baptized in water (John's baptism) rather than in the Holy Spirt (Jesus baptism)? Well, one reason was because Peter did not fully understand the distinction between the two baptisms (that came later on - see Acts 11:16) Water baptism was all Peter knew at that time. He had just been baptized in the Spirit, but had no idea how to perform that baptism on anyone else. Another reason was because water baptism was relevant to the subject at hand. It was appropriate due to the fact that it symbolizes (yes it does!) the death of the old man and resurrection of the new. And we know that it is a symbolic act by what Peter himself acknowledged later on in his first epistle: "... and this water *_symbolizes_* baptism that now saves you also - not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand-with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him." (1 Peter 3:21) Water baptism _symbolizes_ what happens to us inwardly and spiritually when we are saved. And It would have served to promote a better conscience to these Jewish converts, but it is not the thing that actually saves us. 2. Acts 22:16. This too describes a symbolic act. Water does not wash away sins. 3. Galatians 3:26-38. The assumption here is that Paul was talking about water baptism, the argument being made that Paul "didn't speak of any other kind of baptism". That of course is a self-defeating argument since Paul didn't mention water baptism either. Paul on the other hand made it clear that he understood the distinction between John's baptism and Jesus baptism: "Paul said, “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied." (Acts 19:4-6) At some point in time Paul became aware of the difference between these two baptisms, gradually realizing that water baptism was NOT an essential part of the gospel: "I *thank God that I did not baptize any of you* except Crispus and Gaius, so no one can say that you were baptized in my name. (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don’t remember if I baptized anyone else.) For Christ *did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel"* (1 Corinthians 1:14-17) Obviously, Paul would never have said something like that if water baptism was an essential part of the gospel. 4. Romans 6:3-5. Another self-defeating argument. Apparanly Paul just says "baptism"... and somehow always means water baptism? 5. 1 Peter 3:18-22. As previously pointed out water baptism SYMBOLIZES what saves us. Read the verse carefully. It doesn't say that "water saves you", it says that "water symbolizes baptism that now saves you". The word "antityp" means to symbolize. And what it symbolizes is Jesus' baptism, not John's. Why would God be so obsessed with water baptism as to make salvation hinge on it? If John's baptism was necessary in order to be saved then it would clearly have to consider it a work - something we do in order to gain salvation. Jesus' baptism on the other hand was not a work - it isn't something that we do. It is something we receive .. though faith.

[@Mygoalwogel]

This is not a refutation. This is verbose eisegesis.

[@paulbrennan4163]

@@Mygoalwogel Call it what you want. The claim made in this video is that there are 5 reasons that prove that water baptism is salvific. I refuted that claim. And I could just as easily say that the points made in the video are verbose eisegesis, can't I? So what exactly are _you_ trying to prove?

[@paulbrennan4163]

@@Mygoalwogel Oh...no response?? How surprising... I guess rather than post something significant related to the subject at hand... you were just rooting for your home team. You think my refutation was eisegesis. Well unlike you, I'm not rooting for anyone. I'm non-denominational, have no affiliation with anyone, was water baptized a few decades ago being completey immersed in water and appreciated the experiance entirely, and otherwise have no vested interested in either side of this debate. So why would I try to read anything into scripture? My only interest is in the truth, mr wise guy...

[@richinHisKingdom]

Baptism is not man's idea. It's God's idea through his grace.

[@markster136]

This is a good video for Reformation Day.

[@Golfinthefamily]

If baptism saves...then what about all of those infants who are baptized and then walk and live as if they don't know Christ?

[@Mygoalwogel]

If God saves, then what about those people, like King Saul, who absolutely had the Holy Spirit and then walked and lived as if they didn't know God? If Christ saves, then what about (John 6:66) "many of his disciples [who] went back, and walked no more with him."? If Faith saves, then what about those who joyfully believe (Luke 8:13) but then fall away through trials and temptations? What about Simon Magus who "believed" (Acts 8:13) but loved power more than Christ?

[@Golfinthefamily]

@@Mygoalwogel I take it you don't want to answer my question? So you are saying baptism saves, but only sometimes, ultimately depending on how much we try to keep believing? Who is responsible then for us being saved? Do we have ground to say we did anything then? When someone is saved in the New Testament: They are born again. They are baptized with the Holy Spirit. They are made a new creation. They have been crucified with Christ. They have been justified. They have been sealed by the spirit who is a guarantee...... all of these things are the gift of God...which are irrevocable.... (all scripture) ***Can someone be un-born again?*** Your appeal to the Old Testament with Saul is an interesting one. Saul was empowered by the Holy Spirit but also wasn't a New Testament believer under the new covenant... regarding disciples turning back...they weren't Christians just people in the crowd.

[@frederickanderson1860]

House of Cornelius Peter was amazed he received same holy Spirit as they did on Pentecost. Before water baptism. In acts chapter 7 l think simon the sorcerer was baptized in water ,yet he wanted the same authority as the disciples by Simony. The Samaritan woman believed jesus as the promised Messiah. Ethiopian believed that the scripture from Isaiah was about jesus,then he was baptized. Jesus said same he that believeth and is baptized is saved,he that believeth not is damned.

[@donhaddix3770]

Jesus was baptized by John (Matthew 3:13-17; Luke 3:21) and taught His disciples to baptize those who repented of their sins, believed in Him, and received salvation in His name (Acts 2:4, 38; 9:17-18; Matthew 28:19). Those who hold to believer’s baptism see it as an important initial act of obedience that a person makes after accepting Jesus as Lord-baptism is a public testimony of faith. And baptism by immersion clearly shows one’s identification with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection (see Acts 2:38-41; 16:29-34; and Romans 6:3-4). Pouring or sprinkling, the method used in infant baptism, fails to illustrate the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Jesus was baptized by John (Matthew 3:13-17; Luke 3:21) and taught His disciples to baptize those who repented of their sins, believed in Him, and received salvation in His name (Acts 2:4, 38; 9:17-18; Matthew 28:19). Those who hold to believer’s baptism see it as an important initial act of obedience that a person makes after accepting Jesus as Lord-baptism is a public testimony of faith. And baptism by immersion clearly shows one’s identification with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection (see Acts 2:38-41; 16:29-34; and Romans 6:3-4). Pouring or sprinkling, the method used in infant baptism, fails to illustrate the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

[@bobfree1226]

The moment you HEAR and BELIEVE in the Gospel, you are baptized by the Holy Spirit. Eph @ In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also ****after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise*****

[@pollyjetix2027]

Bob, I don't think you really read that verse. It says AFTER. not WHEN. Paul was speaking to the Ephesian church. So, let's check it out. Did the Ephesians receive the Holy Spirit the moment they believed in Christ? No. Look at Acts 19. Paul led them to correct understanding and faith in Christ. Then, they were baptized. They should have already gotten the Holy Spirit by that point, by your teaching. But Paul's doctrine was different from yours. He obviously did NOT believe they automatically got the Holy Spirit the moment they believed! Nor did he believe they automatically got the Holy Spirit as they were water baptized! Because AFTER Paul baptized them, THEN he laid his hands on them, and THEN they received the Holy Spirit. Your doctrine is not the doctrine of the Apostles. It's a doctrine of man.

[@rickpettey8822]

Bob Free: I am sorry but there is no such thing as a "baptism in the Holy Spirit" apart from the water and Word baptism referenced by Pastor Cooper. Your are misreading Matt. 3:10,11.

[@vernramsey4676]

polly jetix I saw your response here and took a look at the scriptures you referred to in Acts 19. It appears that the “disciples” Paul found were disciples of John who were baptized into John’s baptism. Now, I doubt that they were re-baptized but Johns ministry was a transitional one that pointed towards the messiah so I don’t know how that supports your or the other gentleman’s position. These people didn’t even know that there was a Holy Spirit. To me, it seems a different scenario or context from one where the gospel was made know and people received the Spirit through faith in it and were baptized. God gave His Spirit through faith in the gospel message and sometimes after baptism. Both ways are evidently acceptable to Him, but maybe in His grace, He allows either option.

[@vernramsey4676]

Rick Pettey Sir, that seems too dogmatic a position to me. Even Peter saw the Spirit fall on Cornelius and other gentiles after hearing him preach the gospel. Peter certainly didn’t tell them “no, you can’t receive the Holy Spirit until after you are baptized!” He later admitted at the Jerusalem Council “... after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, "Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us, and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith” (esv.to/Acts15.7-9). Peter would not have been so dishonest as to conveniently forget what happened when he preached to Cornelius. He probably had in mind both approaches God had used to give the Spirit and, to my mind, he implied an endorsement of both. I find it hard to demand baptism first before God gives His Spirit when He has been more conciliatory than our polarized positions hold to. He operates both ways. I DO believe that baptism is necessary because God requires it and a truly born-again believer, once convinced of God’s demand, will seek baptism as soon as it is possible. There are other important aspects of baptism besides receiving the Spirit but to address them would make this comment more verbose (and perhaps sleep-producing) than it’s been already.

[@rickpettey8822]

Vern Ramsey: Thank you sir for a irenic response. I am not saying that people do not/can not receive the Holy Spirit prior to a biblical and only, one, true baptism in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (Matt. 28:19,20; Eph. 4:5). What I am saying is that this teaching that while a "water" baptism is good/necessary/ok, etc., it is THE (caps are for emphasis, not screaming :) BAPTISM is the Baptism in the Holy Spirit as falsely deduced from Matt. 3:11. That is a complete twisting of the text as it utterly ignores the context (both immediate and large). If you would be interested in this subject you may contact me privately at: [e-mail]. This has been one of my more popular Bible studies as I have had requests for it from many people. This is a subject that I have studied in-depth as a Lutheran pastor who's brother is Pentecostal. If you wish to verify who I am you can look me up at the LCMS locater tab at www.lcms.org. I promise you, as I have to all whom I have sent this study that I will not contact you further unless you request it. Pax.

[@RealBobEvans]

Water baptism is not required for salvation. Look at any verse in the Bible that discusses salvation (John 3:16, John 1:12-13, John 5:24, Ephesians 2:8-9, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, etc.) and you will never see water baptism mentioned or even hinted at. The Bible is very clear that we are saved by faith in Christ alone, no works added. Look what Paul says in 1 Corinthians 1:14,17 "I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius... For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect." - 1 Corinthians 1:14,17 That would be a very cruel thing to say if water baptism saved people. Christ sent Paul to save people, right? So then why does Paul say he was sent to preach the gospel, not baptize people? We can see that Paul makes no connection between them. Look at Acts 8 and 10. We read in those chapters that the people who were baptized were already saved. Water baptism is always only for believers (i.e. those who are already saved). "And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God." - Acts 8:36-37 "While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word... Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?" - Acts 10:44,47 Those being baptized were already saved. The water baptism didn't save them, it just followed salvation. Salvation happens the moment we receive Jesus Christ as our Savior. At that moment we are indwelt with the Holy Spirit and sealed forever. "That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise" - Ephesians 1:12-13 For further proof water baptism isn't required for salvation, we need look no further than the thief on the cross next to Jesus in Luke 23:40-43. All the thief did was realize he was a sinner in need of salvation, and believe on Jesus Christ as the only one who could save him (i.e. repentance and faith). Jesus said "today shalt thou be with me in paradise" even though the thief was never water baptized.

[@Mygoalwogel]

Thief on the cross knew only what Jesus told him, but he believed it. You know what Jesus told you about baptism, but you don’t believe it. Matthew 3:15 Jesus insisted that even John's baptism was fitting for them to fulfill all righteousness. A servant is not greater than his Lord. Matthew 3:16 In baptism, the Father claims the Son. The Spirit rests on the Son. Matthew 21:25 Mere water baptism is a gift from Heaven. Matthew 28:19 Make disciples by baptizing in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit and by teaching. Mark 1:4 Mere water baptism repentance grants the forgiveness of sins. Mark 16:16 Baptized believers are saved, unbelievers condemned. Luke 7:29 Even water baptism is a public declaration that God is righteous. Luke 7:30 Rejecting even mere water baptism = rejecting God's purpose for you. John 1:31, 33 John knew beforehand that God would reveal the Christ through water baptism. Acts 2:38 Repentance and water baptism in the name of Jesus = forgiveness and the Spirit. Acts 2:39-41 3000 bachelors, virgins, wives, husbands, and children of all ages (family festival) *received forgiveness and the Spirit in water baptism.* The smallest can't have decided to repent in a mature way, but they were not excluded. Acts 8 Many early church Bible readers saw a distinction between the Spirit's invisible gift of repentance/forgiveness and the Spirit's visible gift of leadership/ordination. Philip the Evangelist could baptize but not bestow spiritual authority. Only the apostles could do that. Acts 10:47-48 Baptism in the name of Jesus is water baptism. Acts 22:16 *Baptism washes away sins.* Romans 6:3-5 *Water Baptism (Spirit baptism does **_not_** bury) is death to sin, death with Christ, newness of life in Christ, and resurrection with Christ.* 1 Corinthians 1:13 Baptism must not turn into hero worship, cliques, and factionalism. 1 Corinthians 12:13 Baptism is unity in the one Holy Spirit in Christ. 1 Corinthians 15:29 Even heretical baptism declares the resurrection of the dead. Galatians 3:27-28 Baptism clothes every member of the body of Christ in equality. Ephesians 3:5 There is one Spirit, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all. Ephesians 5:26 *Baptism sanctifies the Church because it is the washing of water with the word.* Colossians 2:11 Water Baptism is the Spiritual circumcision, the circumcision of Christ. Colossians 2:12 Christ was buried. You were buried with Christ *in water baptism.* God raised Christ from the dead. You believe God raised Christ from the dead. Therefore, God raised you with Christ *in baptism.* This is all *God’s powerful work.* Hebrews 6:1-2 *Baptism is a basic foundational teaching. You can't say you believe in Jesus while rejecting his basic teachings.* 1 Peter 3:20 Noah was saved by water, not from water. The flood waters washed away much evil. 1 Peter 3:21 Baptism now *saves you!* Baptism is assurance/demand of a good conscience before God through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. This verse summarizes all that has been said above.

[@RealBobEvans]

@@Mygoalwogel Either the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ washes away ALL our sins, and by receiving him as Savior, we are saved, or Christianity is like every other religion in that you have to do X, Y, and Z in order to please 'god' enough for him to let you into heaven by your own merits. I choose to believe the simple message of the gospel, which distinguishes Christianity from all other world religions. "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit" (1 Peter 3:18). "And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house" (Acts 16:31). "And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you ALL trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross" - Colossians 2:13-14 "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood" - Revelation 1:5 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God" - Romans 3:23-25 "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." - John 1:12-13

[@Mygoalwogel]

@@RealBobEvans False dichotomy fallacy

[@davidthompson5020]

@@Mygoalwogel I'd like to add to that also John 3:5

[@AlaskanMissions]

So God can't save a person without help? Someone is needed to baptize a person in water. I can do something that God can't do? I can save a person by baptizing them.

[@phillipGriffiths-vr7hz]

You confuse that baptism by which the Spirit engrafts the believe into the body of Christ with water baptism. The latter is symbolic of the former. Romans 6 is not speaking of water, but the Spirit's work. If it is speaking of water at all it is speaking of the the thing it symbolises. About Abraham the great example. He was neither baptised or circumcised when he believed, yet he too was regenerated. Not because of any external rite, but because of faith.

[@charles21137]

You literally have no proof that “baptism” in these passages aren’t referring to water baptism. In fact, the Bible implies the opposite, because every time the Bible says “baptism” it refers to water baptism, the Bible says “baptism by the Holy Spirit” when referring to spirit baptism. The Bible is not an inconsistent mess, it is coherent.

[@mistertrumpet5856]

Another powerful proof that Baptism saves is John 3:5 where our Lord says to Nicodemus, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. "

[@EdgeOfEntropy17]

Then He directly contradicts what you teach in verse 16.

[@mistertrumpet5856]

​@@EdgeOfEntropy17 No he doesn't.

[@EdgeOfEntropy17]

@@mistertrumpet5856 Great explanation. I am totally convinced of your argument.

[@mistertrumpet5856]

@@EdgeOfEntropy17 You're welcome.

[@eliasg.2427]

Nevermore77 BAPTISM IS NOT OUR WORK BUT THE WORK OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST PRAISE TO HIM FOREVER

[@alfreds.2335]

Quick question. If baptism saves then why did paul say " for Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel:" (1 cor 1:17) if baptism saves then wouldn't preaching the gospel with out baptizing be inadequate? Prior to this verse Paul says " i baptized the household of Stephanas:besides i know not whether i baptized any other." It doesn't seem to me paul saw baptism necessary for salvation if it was u would think paul would have baptized more. In my opinion this sounds close to a works based salvation maybe im wrong and maybe i have a incorrect understanding of your position.

[@DrJordanBCooper]

justandsinner.blogspot.com/2012/01/1-corinthians-110-17-and-baptismal.html

[@alfreds.2335]

Jordan Cooper thanks for responding. Just to be clear and to make sure i understand what your saying. Are u saying that the text actually implies the corinthians understood baptism was more than symbolic based off of v13?

[@fernandoperez8587]

Friend how were converts brought into the faith? Did they prayer a sinner's prayer or were they baptized? Don't these scriptures not show that God has made us promises concerning baptism.

[@charleskramer8995]

@Phil Andrew the easiest way to understand the passage is that many of the places where Paul preached actually already had Christian communities present. The existing community would have organized the baptism after Paul's preaching would have converted his hearer.

[@gerard1954]

The thief on the cross wasn’t baptized but Jesus promised he would be with him today in Paradise.

[@gerard1954]

@Empyreal 43 days before Pentecost

[@gerard1954]

@Empyreal all I know is Jesus told him that before the sun had set he would be with him in Paradise .

[@gerard1954]

@Empyreal John 1:33 Luke 3:16

[@gerard1954]

@Empyreal John 1:33 Luke 3:16 the baptism Jesus does is to be baptized with the Holy Ghost and with Fire . This is to be immersed with the Holy Ghost and let the Fire of and for the lord fill your heart. Water baptism is and out word sign to show an inward change it is not salvation . Salvation is believing in Jesus Christ death burial and resurrection for you personally that your sins may be forgiven . Holding on to this and him because your realization and experience of being baptized with the Holy Ghost coming into your life this is what saves you . And then the war of the spirit and flesh begin and will not end until the redemption when we shed this flesh and receive our incorruptible bodies. If your putting your trust in water baptism for your salvation you missed the meaning and put a work in place of grace .don’t get me wrong if you can make the arrangement to be water baptized by all means do it it’s simply obedience . I was born Catholic so I’m very familiar with religion and it’s interpretations when I came to Christ and he became real more real than the chair I was sitting on I said ok but I’m not gonna follow some religion he said that’s all I ever want is for you to be you for me . This blew my mind so Iv stuck with scripture because I also asked what do you want from me he said learn of me . I knew he meant read the Bible and take it to heart. Then when I came across what seemed to be contradiction knowing the Bible does not contradict itself only a lack of my understanding I would search out those things to find the meaning .

[@gerard1954]

@Empyreal then how do you get baptized by fire

[@jthomas196]

Baptism gets you wet. Baptism in itself doesn't save. It's like saying Grace saves. Grace doesn't save by itself. Grace you have been saved THROUGH FAITH. Baptism without individual FAITH is useless.

[@barfrockskin535]

Right on Jay Thomas. You nailed it.

[@pollyjetix2027]

Correction: Baptism as an *outward work* without *inward faith* only gets you wet. Both are required. Works without faith are useless. And faith without works cannot save. James 2:14 "He that believeth AND is baptized shall be saved." Mark 16:16. Look carefully at this verse: 1Peter 3:21 "The like figure whereunto even *baptism doth also now save us* (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:" That contained within the parentheses cannot negate that which is bold lettering. The noun is "baptism." The verb is "doth save." The Bible says "baptism doth save." The part that is in parentheses simply points out that it's not the water itself that does the work, apart from the inward work of God in the heart. Just as in the Old Testament the symbolic sacrifices of animals were required by God, and were the vehicle thru which covering of sin was effected, (but those sacrifices done apart from faith were ineffective...) Even so in the New Testament, the symbolic action of baptism is absolutely required by God, and is the vehicle thru which grace is administered to us.... (but the water of baptism, without the context of faith, is spiritually useless.) If we truly believe, we will want to obey God's commands. And God gives us commands to obey, to express our faith. Until faith is expressed in action, it cannot save. Read Hebrews 11. "By faith" all those people DID things. Faith requires action. That's why Mark 16:16 includes the action of baptism along with believing, as requirements to be saved. And the converse - "he that believeth not" - doesn't mention baptism. Because baptism without faith is meaningless. That's when baptism only makes you wet. If you don't believe.

[@MoonPhaze5]

Most likely, those who are unlearned are promoting the PAST counsel of God, John's baptism of repentance. This is willful ignorance and denial of the baptism and gift of the Holy Spirit; cheating themselves out of eternal life by trusting, not in JESUS, but in water.

[@boicejr8380]

Romans 10:9-10 Because if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in heart that God raised him from the dead u will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.

[@artbernal]

THIS SCRIPTURE DOES NOT NEGATE THE IMPORTANCE OF BEING BAPTIZED. AND YOU CAN'T USE SCRIPTURE AGAINST SCRIPTURE LOL. ACTS 2:37-40. SO READ THIS WITH ROMAN 10-9.

[@boicejr8380]

It it says beleive in your heart of hearts and confess with your mouth. For by grace you have been saved by faith and this is not your own doing it is the gift of God, not a result of works so that no one may boast. "While baptism with water was the expected symbol for conversion, it was not a criterion for salvation. Just like in 1 Peter 3 21 when u put all theses verses together u realize in their proper context baptism doesnt save u people who believe in baptism for salvation jump to this verse but clearly it says Baptism which corresponds to this now saves u not as a removal of dirt from the body but as a clear conscience, through the ressurection of Jesus Christ. So clearly baptism has no salvational credit because it doesnt wash away sins but gives u a clear conscience. When we see confess with ur mouth. Baptism is a perfect way to do that though u dont have to be baptized to confess. Back in the day MANY would say they believe the gospel but when it came down to it they wouldn't be baptized. So baptism saved them not from sin and death but as a clear conscience

[@andrewscotteames4718]

@@boicejr8380 Perhaps you ought to make your theology subject to what the text says instead of making the text subject to what your theology says? Ignoring the scriptures is not a valid interpretive method 😉 Baptism is a means of grace whereby God creates, sustains, and grows true justifying faith. It is the ordinary means of grace where by God creates in us true saving faith. We do not conjure up this faith on our own, such faith is counterfeit.

[@boicejr8380]

I understand why u think im reading into the text but to execute proper exegesis u have to read the entirety of the Bible with true context to come to proper doctrine. I am simply taking the whole of scripture and reconciling the verses together instead of taking a few verses out of context and making a whole doctrine out od that. Also a question how was the sinner on the cross justified if he was not baptized.

[@Liminalplace1]

Many scholars see that scripture in the context of baptism..as in the place one Confesses with the mouth "Jesus is Lord". The argument is that Paul saying this would have reminded the Roman church of what occurred in their baptism.

[@changedman6035]

Dr. Cooper, none of these texts support the heresy of baptismal regeneration. Not only must we believe in Sola Scriptura, but Tota Scriptura. Your heretical teaching of baptismal regeneration is in complete contradiction with Sola Gratia, Sola Fide, and Solus Cristus. Romans 4-5 the Apostle Paul gives his treatise on the doctrine of justification, before ever mentioning baptism, clearly teaching us that salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. You may believe baptismal regeneration is not mutually exclusive with Sola Fide because you claim that faith is given at a person's baptism, but Scripture completely denies such a claim.

[@ESchafer]

Watching with my boys in preparation of their baptism. Thanks for the video.

[@bibleisabsolutetruth7922]

Water did not and does not save Jesus he was Baptized Hello we are baptized for the same reason.Jesus baptized and John said Here he is who to follow.We get baptized when we already been saved by Jesus to say Here we are,we follow Jesus.Baptism is not the gospel no more then communion is the gospel.If you think it does then you are in a false gospel. You need to get truly saved . 1 John 1 8 - 10 Paul said he was not called to preach baptism but the gospel .Baptism is not the gospel .Faith alone saves through the blood of Jesus .Jesus spoke of the first birth being water of a woman .Second birth is the born again by his blood

[@rauldelarosa2768]

@FightPeople the only heresy I see is that water saves .. Only Jesus saves, repent of your sectarianism while you have time to.

[@rauldelarosa2768]

@FightPeople not of works lest any man should boast, stop boasting.. That's also the scriptures. Don't brow beat with one verse of scripture like a Jehovah's witness

[@rauldelarosa2768]

@FightPeople actually yes you do call him a liar, Paul says by grace through faith in Christ Jesus alone are you saved and not of works lest any man should boast, your carnal pride points to a basin of water, I point only to Jesus. Jesus also said you must be born again, Paul didn't come to baptize, but to preach the good news.. Your works salvation heresy is trash and can't save anybody. Repent of your sectarianism and idolatry of Luther while you have time to.

[@rauldelarosa2768]

@FightPeople actually faith witj works is valid faith but get your nose out of James and read Romans 3 and Galatians sometime, Ephesians 2, by grace you are saved. Nobody's advocating for a mental ascent to religion, yet you are seeking to earn your salvation. You can't. Again, repent...

[@michaelszczys8316]

The eight souls were saved by water by being in the ark and not drowned. The eight souls were also saved by water by the water cleansing the earth of the ' seed of the serpent ' that would have otherwise taken over completely and stopped the Messiah from coming.

[@wolverine114]

I grew up in the oneness church. Left that but ended up in a AoG church (still Pentecostal but trinitarian). Then came to the reformed understanding (but Baptist), and I must admit that infant baptism has been winning me over for some time.. My question is (I’m sure a very common one), if we believe we are saved by Grace (Sola Gratia and Sola Fide), but you also believe baptism saves.. how is that not faith + works? Thank you

[@Mygoalwogel]

I'll try to make the case carefully. Please don't take the format as condescending. P1: Col 2:11-12 is talking about the baptism that buries. P2: "Acts 1:5 Baptism" is nowhere in Scripture described as burying. C1: "Col 2 Baptism" is water baptism, which buries. P3: Col 2:11-12a says that water baptism is "circumcision made without hands." P4: Col 2:12 Lit. "With-Buried" indicates that just as Christ was dead when he was buried, so you were dead when you were baptised. C2: "Without hands" and "With-buried" hint that water baptism is not your work. P5: Col 2:12 The productive work of God raised Christ from the dead. P6: The productive work of God "With-raised" you from the dead through faith. C3: The productive work of God is the only active party mentioned. P7/C2: "Without hands" and "With-buried" hint that water baptism is not your work. P8/C3: The productive work of God is the only active party mentioned. C4: Baptism is a work of God. It is not the work of human hands, nor of the dead.

[@paulbrennan4163]

@@MygoalwogelWater baptism doesn't save, and neither does Collossians2:11-12 say water baptism is circumcision... with or without human hands!. Let's look at what scripture says about John's baptism contra Jesus' baptism and try to sort out the confusion: *"I baptize you with water* for repentance. But after me comes one who is *_more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire._* (Matthew 3:11) So here we see these two baptisms. John's baptism, carried out in physical water by a physical man, and Jesus' baptism, with fire and Holy Spirit carried out by God. Despite this, everyone automatically assumes that it is Johns baptism, the one performed by the lesser of the two, that Jesus is referring to in Mark 16:16 which is being used as a proof text that water baptism saves. Why do we all make that assumption? And we even see in the very next verse (Mark 16:17) that the characeristics of those who are "saved and baptized" are driving out demons, speaking in tongues, being subject to snakes and poison without being harmed, and healing the sick - *ALL manifestations of the Holy Spirit!* The reason we assume that it is John's baptism Jesus was referring to was that water baptism was _still_ being practiced during Jesus ministry (although not by Jesus himslef), whereas Jesus baptism was _not_ being carried out (at least, not until _after_ his death and resurrection.) But why wasn't Jesus' baptism being practiced during his ministry? It is because whereas water was readily available at that time, the outpouring of the Spirit as a form of a baptism was _not_: "But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. *_Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you;_* but if I go, I will send him to you." (John 16:7) The Apostle Paul, who wrote Colossians 2:11-12, obviously knew about the distinction between the two baptisms: "Paul said, “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance. *He told the people to believe in the one coming AFTER him,* that is, in Jesus.” On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied." (Acts 19:4-6) At some point in time Paul became aware of the difference between these two baptisms, gradually realizing that water baptism was NOT an essential part of the gospel: "I *thank God that I did not baptize any of you* except Crispus and Gaius, so no one can say that you were baptized in my name. (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don’t remember if I baptized anyone else.) For Christ *did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel"* (1 Corinthians 1:14-17) Obviously, Paul would never have said something like that if water baptism was an essential part of the gospel. NOW let's look at Colossians 2:11-12! Obviously, just as Paul was referring to *circumcision* BY THE SPIRIT ... and NOT WITH "HUMAN HANDS" "circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit" (Romans 2:29) "circumcision not performed by human hands (Colossians 2), he was also speaking of *baptism* BY THE SPIRIT and NOT WITH HUMAN HANDS.

[@gabrielborlean367]

Thank you for Law & Gospel!

[@bibleisabsolutetruth7922]

Salvation is by faith alone not of yourself less you boast in what you did . Water did not save Jesus he was Baptized Hello we are baptized for the same reason.Jesus baptized and John said Here he is who to follow.We get baptized when we already been saved by Jesus to say Here we are,we follow Jesus.Baptism is not the gospel no more then communion is the gospel.If you think it does then you are in a false gospel. You need to get truly saved . 1 John 1 8 - 10 Paul said he was not called to preach baptism but the gospel .Baptism is not the gospel .

[@danephillips]

Baptism does not save anyone and doing it where Jesus did means nothing.That said why don't folks look at why Jesus got Baptized /? It is the key to understanding baptism.Jesus did not do to be saved.He did to show all in who he was in the Father .John said then here is who you are to follow.We get baptized to show who were are already in and following. Anyone who claim water saves them is lost in a false gospel.The water is the symbol of the flood of Noah.The water was the wrath of God against sin.Today one who is already saved by Jesus blood get baptized to show who they are in .The water Jesus told them is the nature birth of woman .The blood is the born again spiritual rebirth.Paul said I was not called to preach baptism but the gospel,.Folks stop following your church 's false gospel.Salvation is in faith alone in and through Jesus sacrifice Hebrew 10 made perfect already bu Jesus .

[@prayunceasingly2029]

@@bibleisabsolutetruth7922 Jesus didn't need salvation. He was baptized to fulfill righteousness.

[@prayunceasingly2029]

@@danephillips I assume Lutherans don't believe water by itself does anything but that they believe that the act of Baptism does something and that what is done in baptism is done by God not by the water. I may be wrong in that, someone correct me if I am.

[@danephillips]

@@prayunceasingly2029 they can believe whatever they want but getting wet has nothing to do with one getting saved . Lutherans sadly think it does . Same lie that Catholic Church loves. Both think baptism is required . Go to a Lutheran Church they will have a sign saying baptism saves . They even accept infant baptism to save .

[@jamesparker1063]

1. "cherry-picking" the Bible for verses on any subject, while IGNORING "opposing" passages is NEVER a wise course..... 2. IF water baptism actually/truly "saves", then we would expect to see clear examples of such, from N. T. Scripture, yet, what do we find? a) a dying man saved, with NO "water baptism" at all (Luke 23:33-43), who died, under the "New Covenant" (Heb. 9:16, 17; John 19:32-34); b) the book of Acts, which, WITH NO EXCEPTIONS, portrays sinners, as receiving salvation, BEFORE, water baptism (Acts 8:36-38 [Ethiopian eunuch]; Acts 10[Cornelius/household]; 16:30, 31 [Philippian jailor], etc.), thus being saved, WITHOUT water baptism.... and c ) a man, "water-baptized" by the Church, yet who received NO SALVATION at all (Simon Magus [Acts 8:9-24]).... 3. the lame, Lutheran, "water-baptism-is-not-a-work"/"water-baptism-is-God's-work" canard is merely a form of Lutheran "transubstantiation": a) at a water baptism, we see REAL, human people (candidate, minister, etc.); a REAL building/font; REAL water; a REAL minister, DOING THE BAPTIZING, yet, we are to believe that it is NOT the minister, it is God, "doing the baptizing"! and b) plain, old water, that IS "plain, old water", and will REMAIN SO, yet, SURPRISE!! It is now imbued with "the Word of God", and the "Spirit", even though the "accidents" of plain old water, remain"!! 4. the plain fact, is that NO outward, physical rite, can produce inward, spiritual change; circumcision did NOT accomplish that in Israel (Rom. 2:28,29), and water baptism does not accomplish such, in Christ's Church; as true circumcision is, "of the heart", so is true baptism, "of the heart", NOT of the "body" (2 Peter 3:21)....5. as Acts 8:36-38/Mark 16:16 make clear, water baptism is for "believers", thus: a) babies who are UNABLE to believe, are disqualified from receiving it; and b) those who are unbelievers, "of age", are also "disqualified", WHILE they remain unbelieving, yet proving again, that the Scriptural "ordo baptismus" is: i] salvation, received by simple "repentance/faith" (Mark 1:15; Acts 20:21), resulting in ii] Christ, "baptizing" the newly converted, into His "Body" (i.e. the Church), via His Spirit (1 Cor. 12:13), followed by iii] the baptism of such "disciples" in water, by the Church (Matt. 28:18-20), as a public testimony, to the world, and to the Church, that they have received Christ, by faith (see EVERY "salvation/baptism" narrative, in Acts)..6. this whole, "salvation-by-water" scheme, while pretending to be "Scriotural", is really (at it's heart) based upon the Romish fallacy, that a) the early Church was "perfectly correct" in all that it affirmed, and that b) God has "guided" His Church, so that it ever maintains, at all times, 100% accuracy, in ALL particulars; yet (as even Luther acknowledged) this had NOT been so, through the ages (see 1 Tim. 4:1-5); re water baptism, as actually and truly "saving"? On this, the early Church was mistaken (as they were, on many things, while waiting for God to fulfill His promise, to "send teachers" [Eph. 4:8-16]) as are all religious groups who hold to it, to this day, and it is NO surprise, that virtually ALL cults/isms hold to a form of "baptismal regeneration"....

[@godblessusall1018]

It’s a literal and physical reenactment of the gospel! It is the gospel of Jesus Christ done by an active faith! Why do people argue about this? Just get washed!! It’s easy. Every new convert was baptized. Jesus was baptized. Jesus commanded us to baptize. Why are people scared of baptism? Ultimately it’s how Jesus saves us without him being here in person saving us like the theory on the cross. Jesus removed his sins because he was there with him. After he died he said to get baptized to wash away sins to be saved because he isn’t here to directly do that anymore.

[@diedreb4611]

Where does Jesus command to get Baptized with water?

[@diedreb4611]

The Spirit coming on is to receive power....

[@richinHisKingdom]

2 Timothy 3:16.😊

[@yeremychauvin7253]

Yes your right .. john 3:5

[@onthego41]

Jesus preached more on believing. Did He short-changed other listeners when He just preached believe? John 3:16 "....whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life."

[@lukeemily6644]

Were Noah and his family saved by God or by the water?

[@pollyjetix2027]

Mark 16:16. "He who believes and is baptized shall be saved. But he who does not believe, shall be damned." Both belief and baptism are necessary for salvation. But if belief is absent, baptism is useless. That's why Peter qualified "baptism doth also now save us" in 1 Peter 3:21. He had to add *"(not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,)"* to make it agree with Mark 16:16. But the qualifier of the sentence cannot erase the noun and the verb. *"Baptism DOTH SAVE"*

[@timm439]

No, Peter said it saves because everyone in the early church got baptized after they repented and believed. It was unheard of to have an unbaptized believer. So it'd be like saying, "the car gets me to work", when the car is not necessary to get me there.. I'm the one doing the driving, and I could've chosen to walk. However, since it's extremely common to drive to work (just like believe + baptize) in the early church, Peter didn't need to explain that to his early church audience.

[@GeorgePenton-np9rh]

@@timm439 That's Tim's opinion, not the teaching of the Church. See 2 Peter 1:20 and Proverbs 3:5.

[@josephkuzara2609]

It is true that those who believe and are baptized are those who are saved but no where in the entirety of Old testament and New testament conditions to being condemned does it ever pair a ceremonial washing rite with Faith as the means of condemnation. Unbelief and not knowing God has always been that means because Faith that is authored and perfected by God is granted, gifted and sustained by Him alone is the set condition to glorify the Son. Mark 16:16 is the only passage to pair Faith and the priestly washing rite( as our appeal to God toward a good conscience within His priesthood) but to then point out that it is unbelief that condemns, if this washing rite into the priesthood was a set condition of Imputed Righteousness, then it would be contextually paired with faith and or individually as a means of condemnation if one fails to receive it. Sense scripture never teaches that we are condemned by not receiving water baptism then it is not a set requirement with faith to be Imputed Righteousness. Anyone who attempts to say otherwise has added on to scripture by reading into scripture a false condition. Even to those of the circumcision party who demanded that gentiles be circumcised of the flesh paired with faith to be saved, did the Jewish Apostles who opposed them even when already circumcised in the flesh, appealed to Abrahams faith as the means of our imputed Righteousness that was given by Faith + nothing.

[@GeorgePenton-np9rh]

@@josephkuzara2609 Joseph, you sure do a lot of twisting to get around the clear message of Mark 16:16, don't you? Jesus made it clear at Mark 16:16 that Baptism is necessary for salvation. Do you have faith in Jesus? Do you think that that faith will save you? Then have faith in the words Jesus spoke----Baptism is necessary for salvation.

[@josephkuzara2609]

@@GeorgePenton-np9rh if water baptism is a set requirement for being imputed Jesus' Righteousness , then show it scripturally paired with unbelief and or apart from unbelief contextually within the OT and NT as a means of condemnation if one does not (because of rejection) or can not(due to death or lack of believing priests in the region) receive the washing rite. Not twisting anything, just properly using exegesis to conclude what is plainly taught. As a set requirement ,we are imputed Jesus' Righteousness thus pardoned by what one is condemned by if they don't do. Sense the lack of water baptism is never taught to condemn us then it is not God's set requirement to be pardoned. But Faith is clearly taught to us as a means of imputed Righteousness and the means of condemnation if we don't come to Faith. Thus many have added another requirement as those of the judaizers that the Apostles opposed by appealing to Abrahams faith as the sole means of imputed Righteousness, thus pardon from sin. Mind you mark 16:16 does not pair the lack of Faith and baptism as a means of condemnation, only unbelief. So clearly Jesus is teaching that even if one is baptized yet does not believe , they are condemned. Because water baptism is not a set requirement to be pardoned only faith is. Otherwise Jesus would have paired both as the means of condemnation if one does not do so. Such reflects 1 Corinthians 1:17 of the thoughts of Paul as to why he said he was not sent to water baptize but preach the gospel. Being the instrument to which rebirths with the agency of the Spirit(James 1:18;1 Peter 1:23) and leads to the set requirement through granted(Philip 1:29) and gifted(eph 2:8) Faith (that is authored, perfected heb 12:2 and sustained 1 Corinth 1:8 by God) in it.

[@rusty_claw]

Thank You

[@brettmagnuson8318]

If you are concluding that baptism saves in the new covenant, are you also asserting that circumcision saved in the old covenant?

[@charleskramer8995]

The Old Covenant was not salvific in the same way as the New. But circumcision incorporated the Jewish male child into the Old Covenant just as baptism incorporates us into the New.

[@OC3707]

Not once did you claim that faith in Christ is necessary for salvation. You seem to be saying that baptism alone saves.

[@pastorart1974]

Can you please be a bit more specific? ELCA & LCMS for example are very different. So which Lutheran group are you a part of. I am a Sola Scriptura Lutheran, by the way.

[@DrJordanBCooper]

AALC. We're small, but conservative. We are in fellowship with the LCMS.

[@carlalfieri8058]

pastorart1974 The thief on the cross didnt need to be baptized becuse Jesus had not been taken up yet. So up to this point like all the other believers/ diciples he simply needed to have/ show faith to be saved, which he did.

[@bibleisabsolutetruth7922]

Water did not save Jesus he was Baptized Hello we are baptized for the same reason.Jesus baptized and John said Here he is who to follow.We get baptized when we already been saved by Jesus to say Here we are,we follow Jesus.Baptism is not the gospel no more then communion is the gospel.If you think it does then you are in a false gospel. You need to get truly saved . 1 John 1 8 - 10 Paul said he was not called to preach baptism but the gospel .Baptism is not the gospel .Faith alone saves through the blood of Jesus .Jesus spoke of the first birth being water of a woman .Second birth is the born again by his blood

[@danephillips]

Baptism does not save anyone and doing it where Jesus did means nothing.That said why don't folks look at why Jesus got Baptized /? It is the key to understanding baptism.Jesus did not do to be saved.He did to show all in who he was in the Father .John said then here is who you are to follow.We get baptized to show who were are already in and following. Anyone who claim water saves them is lost in a false gospel.The water is the symbol of the flood of Noah.The water was the wrath of God against sin.Today one who is already saved by Jesus blood get baptized to show who they are in .The water Jesus told them is the nature birth of woman .The blood is the born again spiritual rebirth.Paul said I was not called to preach baptism but the gospel,.Folks stop following your church 's false gospel.Salvation is in faith alone in and through Jesus sacrifice Hebrew 10 made perfect already bu Jesus.

[@raykidder906]

I do not believe the repentant thief on the cross was necessarily unbaptized or that he gave us a teaching that baptism is unnecessary for salvation. This is because Matthew 3:5-6 tells of multitudes having been baptized by John. Are there any verses that suggest this repentant thief was outside of the scope of those baptized by John? In addition, Romans 6 tells of the meaning and purposes of baptism. By being crucified with Christ, this repentant thief was demonstrating what baptism accomplishes. Water baptism appears a lot easier than a literal crucifixion with Christ.Galatians 2:20 teaches that St. Paul had been crucified with Christ. Was this accomplished by a faith apart from water baptism? If so, why does Romans 6 teach of how faith associated with the reception of baptism causes one to partake in Christ's death and resurrection experience? Did St. Paul teach of a faith apart from water baptism that enables one to experience a death and resurrection with Christ? If so, where?

[@danielpenn1734]

Baptism, water does not save you. Holy spirit Baptism saves you. John the Baptist said he baptized with water, but one coming after me will baptize you in the holy spirit. The man on the cross was not baptized. Nope, your wrong. All bet you are a catholic

[@wessmith3960]

You’re* & I’ll

[@bobbyrice2858]

10000000% correct.

[@diegodimaria5970]

Hello Dr. Jordan, I am a believer from Germany, so please excuse if I make some grammar mistakes. If Water Baptism saves, how you respond to Mark 16:15 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. The damnation part comes in, in the second part of the verse and Baptism isn't even mentioned. I agree, as a Baptist, that a person who knows that she is supposed to be baptised and doesn't do it, is sinning, but I think the verse in Mark's Gospel (and also other verses) makes it very clear, that Baptism isn't required for salvation. Also I think you should examine the grammar of Acts 2:38. Greetings from Germany and may the Lord Jesus bless you.

[@charleskramer8995]

It is rather simple. For an adult, a precondition of baptism is faith. So in order to be baptized, an adult would have to believe. The Church would never baptize an adult non-believer. So the formula looks like this: Belief + baptism = salvation Non-belief + no baptism = no salvation.

[@sreed7637]

Jesus himself proved that baptism wasn't necessary beloved children (although baptism shows your dedication to the Lord you should not worry if you dont have it) see Luke 23:39-43 One of the criminals who hung there heaped abuse on Him. “Are You not the Christ?” he said. “Save Yourself and us!” But the other one rebuked him, saying, “Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same judgment? We are punished justly, for we are receiving what our actions deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.” Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when You come into Your kingdom!” and Jesus said to him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.[Jesus' own words are proof]” also let us not forget Exodus 33:19 and the LORD said, "I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the LORD, in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion and Roman's 9:15 For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."

[@JerryBroome-h6i]

When you say your physical action of being baptized in water saves you, that goes against everything Jesus died for. Important to be baptized as an outward show of death burial resurrection, it show obedience but will not save you. Only one way to the Father in Heaven, Jesus Christ. If physical baptism saves you, the thief on cross next to Jesus would not have been saved. That goes against Jesus also.

[@j.sethfrazer]

“Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the Word,” ‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:25-26‬ It’s water and WORD, NOT water and faith. Luther is perfectly correct to say that, “...my faith does not make baptism, but receives it. Now, baptism does not become invalid even though wrongly received or employed; since it is not bound to our faith, but to the Word.”

[@aleguitarra]

Why Paul said that God didn't sent him to baptize?

[@Mygoalwogel]

Why did Paul say: Acts 22:16 *Baptism washes away sins.* Romans 6:3-5 *Water Baptism (Spirit baptism does **_not_** bury) is death to sin, death with Christ, newness of life in Christ, and resurrection with Christ.* 1 Corinthians 1:13 Baptism must not turn into hero worship, cliques, and factionalism. 1 Corinthians 12:13 Baptism is unity in the one Holy Spirit in Christ. 1 Corinthians 15:29 Even heretical baptism declares the resurrection of the dead. Galatians 3:27-28 Baptism clothes every member of the body of Christ in equality. Ephesians 3:5 There is one Spirit, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all. Ephesians 5:26 *Baptism sanctifies the Church because it is the washing of water with the word.* Colossians 2:11 Water Baptism is the Spiritual circumcision, the circumcision of Christ. Colossians 2:12 Christ was buried. You were buried with Christ *in water baptism.* God raised Christ from the dead. You believe God raised Christ from the dead. Therefore, God raised you with Christ *in baptism.* This is all *God’s powerful work.* ?

[@aleguitarra]

@@Mygoalwogel thanks! I know the verses, but why Paul didn't baptize if it's essential to salvation?

[@Mygoalwogel]

@@aleguitarra First of all, we should note that Paul’s comment about “not being sent to baptize” immediately follows his list of people in Corinth whom he had baptized (1 Cor. 1:14-16). Naming off the people he’d baptized (including those he doesn’t remember) would be a strange way for Paul to say “baptism doesn’t matter at all.” Moreover, rather than being a boast, this list is intended to minimize the importance of exactly who baptized those in the Corinthian church. Rather than baptism being a contest between Christians regarding which “celebrity preacher” performed the rite, it is instead an act of obedience and sign of the gospel message. Paul is minimizing the performative, “celebrity” aspect of baptism, not the act of baptism. The wider context supports this as well. Verses 18-25, which arguably introduce the main theme of the letter, are one extended contrast of Jewish and Greco-Roman folly on the one hand and divine wisdom on the other. And that particular contrast leads Paul to combat the contentious factions that have arisen between different groups in the church, divided by who led them to Christ. Rather than the person who evangelized them, it’s the message of the gospel, centered on the person and work of Jesus, that really matters. He’s not saying “Baptism doesn’t matter,” but instead, “Who baptized you doesn’t matter."

[@aleguitarra]

@@Mygoalwogel thanks, baptism is important. The question is, can a person be saved without baptism? Is in baptism that a person is cleaned?

[@Mygoalwogel]

@@aleguitarra Are you one of those people who constantly changes the topic rather than obey the Scripture? I answered your question about Paul above. I also answered what Scripture says baptism does in my first reply to you. The Bible plainly teaches that baptism washes away sins and sanctifies the Church, and that God buries you and resurrects you in His Name in baptism.

[@lornaz1975]

Dr. Cooper is this a typical Lutheran position on baptism or your own understanding? Also, if one comes to faith and dies before baptism is he lost or not? I am more reformed in my understanding so this is a little new to me. I have done some study on the Church of Christ who hold to baptismal regeneration so I have had exposure to it but I don't fully understand.

[@charleskramer8995]

The position of Christians before the Reformation was that a Christian who desired baptism but was prevented from being baptized by death before baptism could be accomplished could be saved by the desire for baptism. But that was a narrow exception which did not apply to someone who simply postponed baptism.

[@robertdelisle7309]

Wasn’t it the Ark that save Noah and his family from the judgement of waters? The ark is a type for Christ. The waters were the judgement of God.

[@soundimpact4633]

Raised Lutheran. Wisconsin synod... the strictest of the synods. Studied. But I finally took my beliefs back to the Bible without man's teaching, and I no longer believe in infant baptism and I believe that it is something that holds people back from true repentance. Jesus himself a sinless man was immersed as an adult because it was the right thing to do. I was immersed as an adult. There's nothing wrong with infant dedication. But infant baptism for the remission of sins is not biblical. Martin Luther did wonderful things leaving the Catholic church but he did not leave far enough. He held on to far too many Catholic beliefs.

[@alastairhopkins245]

Jesus said to the man on the cross next to him "today you will be with me in paradise". (Luke Chapter 23 Verse 43). Had this man been water baptized??? Water baptism happens because someone has been saved. Water baptism doesn't save. The recent coronation happened because Charles is now the King. The coronation didn't make Charles the King. Charles became the King when his mother - Queen Elizabeth the Second - died. A coronation for William or George would be nonsense as neither of them are King.

[@Mygoalwogel]

Thief on the cross knew only what Jesus told him, but he believed it. You know what Jesus told you about baptism, but you don’t believe it. Matthew 3:15 Jesus insisted that even John's baptism was fitting for them to fulfill all righteousness. A servant is not greater than his Lord. Matthew 3:16 In baptism, the Father claims the Son. The Spirit rests on the Son. Matthew 21:25 Mere water baptism is a gift from Heaven. Matthew 28:19 Make disciples by baptizing in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit and by teaching. Mark 1:4 Mere water baptism repentance grants the forgiveness of sins. Mark 16:16 Baptized believers are saved, unbelievers condemned. Luke 7:29 Even water baptism is a public declaration that God is righteous. Luke 7:30 Rejecting even mere water baptism = rejecting God's purpose for you. John 1:31, 33 John knew beforehand that God would reveal the Christ through water baptism. Acts 2:38 Repentance and water baptism in the name of Jesus = forgiveness and the Spirit. Acts 2:39-41 3000 bachelors, virgins, wives, husbands, and children of all ages (family festival) *received forgiveness and the Spirit in water baptism.* The smallest can't have decided to repent in a mature way, but they were not excluded. Acts 8 Many early church Bible readers saw a distinction between the Spirit's invisible gift of repentance/forgiveness and the Spirit's visible gift of leadership/ordination. Philip the Evangelist could baptize but not bestow spiritual authority. Only the apostles could do that. Acts 10:47-48 Baptism in the name of Jesus is water baptism. Acts 22:16 *Baptism washes away sins.* Romans 6:3-5 *Water Baptism (Spirit baptism does **_not_** bury) is death to sin, death with Christ, newness of life in Christ, and resurrection with Christ.* 1 Corinthians 1:13 Baptism must not turn into hero worship, cliques, and factionalism. 1 Corinthians 12:13 Baptism is unity in the one Holy Spirit in Christ. 1 Corinthians 15:29 Even heretical baptism declares the resurrection of the dead. Galatians 3:27-28 Baptism clothes every member of the body of Christ in equality. Ephesians 3:5 There is one Spirit, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all. Ephesians 5:26 *Baptism sanctifies the Church because it is the washing of water with the word.* Colossians 2:11 Water Baptism is the Spiritual circumcision, the circumcision of Christ. Colossians 2:12 Christ was buried. You were buried with Christ *in water baptism.* God raised Christ from the dead. You believe God raised Christ from the dead. Therefore, God raised you with Christ *in baptism.* This is all *God’s powerful work.* Hebrews 6:1-2 *Baptism is a basic foundational teaching. You can't say you believe in Jesus while rejecting his basic teachings.* 1 Peter 3:20 Noah was saved by water, not from water. The flood waters washed away much evil. 1 Peter 3:21 Baptism now *saves you!* Baptism is assurance/demand of a good conscience before God through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. This verse summarizes all that has been said above.