Fix It Again, Tony! (FIAT No-Crank w/Keith: Super Saturday Special)

After Super Saturday, Keith DeFazio of @NewLevelAuto joins me for a mobile diag before heading home.
It's a beached baby whale 2012 Fiat 500 "MultiAir" that one day decided not to start.
After getting towed to two different shops, now it doesn't even CRANK!!
Let's get out the fancy toys and see why this little Fiat is dead in the water...
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[@atikovi1]

On any Multiair engine that's been sitting more than a few weeks, you will have to crank it a good 60 seconds at a time (in 15 second increments to save the starter and battery) in order to pump up the valve train with oil and get the valves to function. That's why it sounded like no compression when you first cranked it.

[@throttlebottle5906]

"Multierror engine" sounds more fitting..

[@thebiggerman6975]

Why do they even bother with crap like that,just another pita seems to me

[@froggy0162]

@@thebiggerman6975 because it’s a genius system that gives amazing amounts of valve control to the ECU. Huge performance and economy for a 1.4.

[@adamtrombino106]

@@froggy0162 More stuff to break...I think that's what you meant to say ;)

[@froggy0162]

@@adamtrombino106 Not really. An extra set of solenoids, but one less camshaft and no dephasers. Probably a lower part count than a standard modern 16 valve head.

[@TheOriginalDaveJ]

Ivan, you just can't help yourself can you? I thought Keith was doing this job? I hope he's still speaking to you 🤣

[@GroundedDiagnostics]

nice to see Keith out in the field again. miss your videos has it really been 2 years.

[@bernardaflores1720]

Glad to see the 2 amigos working together. Boy, boy Keith does have lots of toy scanners!

[@bernardaflores1720]

@@John-wz3iu Must be real nice!

[@bertblue9683]

I've been watching you over a year now and truly impressed with your skills and still don't imagine too many techs doing it to this level. You're setting the new standard.

[@JBlake-moon-shdo]

Keith you have been sorely missed working like this. I really hope you take up a little weekend side hobby of doing cars. At any rate great seeing you again.

[@electrolineservicegreece8267]

Thanks Ivan an Keith. 5 volt ref ? 99% you check it off camera. Plz Kieth we would like to see you more often. Wish you the best guyz !!!

[@lvsqcsl]

Keith has a VERY good command of his automotive knowledge. When you started to operate the starter the first thing that came to mind was the engine has no compression for whatever reason. (Jumped time, valve train problem?) Immediately, Keith says the Multi-Air system is causing that and it sounds like a good engine. IIRC Charles Chips were made in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. Great video!

[@jeremyah78]

My thought about Keith too! My first impression of that roll over was, “oooh! That ain’t good!” And then Keith pipes in with the knowledge!

[@troybelding3816]

In Houston, we used to have Charles Chips, where they delivered to your house. HUGE metal cans of potato chips. My folks still have one of the cans at home. (It's from the 70's)

[@lvsqcsl]

@@troybelding3816 I still have our metal can from the '70's. I buy Charles Chips at Cracker Barrel in bags and dump them in the can. I have a co-worker that drove a Charles Chips truck back-in-the-day and had him taste them. He said they tasted the same. I think they are made in New Jersey now.

[@troybelding3816]

@@lvsqcsl I'll have to check a local Cracker Barrel and see if they sell them down here in the Houston area. Thanks for the info!

[@lvsqcsl]

@@troybelding3816 They have a website, you can order them online. I wouldn't recommend it, though because they get damaged. I got some once that was nothing but dust and crumbs.

[@jdtractorman7445]

Nice diagnosis. I'll admit I was worried when you sent power to the starter and the motor sounded like it was freewheeling, then Keith explained why, makes sense. I think Keith is getting the "itch" to start vehicle diagnosing in the field again.

[@charleshenshaw9099]

It's great to see you and Keith out fixing autos.

[@mmichaeldonavon]

Really enjoyed this TWO-PRONGED ATTACK by you and Keith. What I just witnessed was TWO giant technicians working together ON THE SAME LEVEL. Doesn't get any better than this.

[@sblagg527]

How could you comprehend anything with them constantly talking over each other? Reminded me of those god awful garage repair shop shows on Velocity

[@mmichaeldonavon]

@@sblagg527527 Sorry, I didn't see it that way. Yes, there were ideas and suggestions flying here and there - but it was totally understandable. I had no difficulty in following the "flow" of ideas and possible solutions. Doing the work they do requires a bit of "mental multitasking." Yes, they were continually introducing different test equipment - it worked well, IMHO. They were constantly asking each other: "Are we looking for a power or a ground" - should that bias voltage be that elevated," and on and on. Reminded me when I was working aircraft Avionics problems on large airplanes. Several techs with SEVERAL binders of wiring diagrams discussing this and that. Yes, it was "busy" then also. But this free flow of ideas is what allowed the problem to be solved. Thanks for your comments.

[@mikeburdi3464]

Keith seems like such a very chill, humble dude, who possesses a wealth of automotive knowledge. A great person to know.

[@chrisfreemesser5707]

Good to see Keith out in the field getting his hands dirty again. The way you and Eric O. have waxed poetic about his amazing diag skills over the years makes me think this is where he really wants to be

[@woppini]

Thanks for the crank portion, thought for sure blown timing chain. Never would have thought it was ECM controlling the valves. Learn something new every day

[@casemotube]

Hey, I’m retired from bending wrenches on electric forklifts, and over three decades, I’ve done my fair share of circuit testing to say the least. That being said, I’d simply like to complement the process of diagnosing that you use, and your procedures for hunting hots and grounds is spotless. Great work on every step! 🫵🏼👍🏼⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

[@toddw.9845]

Nice to see Keith again on a video , what sets him apart from most is he never gets caught up in the brand of the car aka chevy , ford, fiat thing he just follows the facts and diagnoses the issue.

[@jamesmachalik9924]

Always a pleasure to watch two masters at work..

[@johnwhan7288]

So cool watching 2 of the best playing around. Unstoppable

[@robertdavis6708]

I use to watch Keit working the Staten Island repair shops. When he showed up with his Dunkin Donut coffee, he acted like, ho hum, just another day to discover troubles that other could not. And man was he swift. He wasn't afraid to tear into wiring harnesses, thinking it was on a Easter egg hunt. But I'm glad he got out of that SH and found a great school for his kid. Nice job on this video fellas.

[@ofalejandro12]

man when you said man against car i like that it feels so good just cracking your coconut trying to figure out whats the problem with the car what im trying to say is there's nothing better than do what you enjoy to do while making money thats the best and i keep watching your videos always learn something from even if is just a little bit issssss goood man thanks for sharing that knowledge

[@gfccbgjxvhd874]

Salut, Les gars vous former un duo de choc. Je suis content 😁 de vous voir ensemble, pour résoudre une panne compliqué "mais pas pour vous" 😂. J'espère vous revoir très bientôt pour un nouveau challenge 👍

[@mikechiodetti4482]

Nice to see Keith out and about. Good luck with that ECM.

[@RipCityBassWorks]

Keith collab videos are always epic. You guys sure saved Tony at the dealership a lot of diagnostic time.

[@gijsvanoene8423]

In most pre 2018 Fiat's the BCM holds the coding for all the modules in the car. Simply pug in a new module and it wil code it self with the data from the BCM. After that preform a proxi alignment an it should work.

[@stevepalmer4072]

Great work Ivan. Brilliant to see Keith out with you.

[@jerryking2418]

Great job guys. Thanks for sharing.

[@TOM2RN]

Company was called Magnetti Marelli until a few years ago. A Japanese company bought them out and shortened it to Marelli. They had a plant here in NC in Sanford. Closed it in 2001 due downturn in the economy and moved operation to Mexico. Plant was opened in 1976 in Sanford. Cheaper labor costs won out.

[@satamanschmidt3428]

Great to see that Keith is alive and well. I can't see him flying a desk for that much longer before Keith's Midnight Diagnostic Services is back in business. You can take the boy out of Stanton Island but you can't take the Stanton Island out of the boy.

[@sblagg527]

STATEN Island, not "Stanton." 🙄

[@troybelding3816]

@@sblagg527 - Tripadvisor says it's Stanton :) They talk about the Stanton Island Ferry.

[@thadmachia9873]

Another awesome diagnostic!

[@roxanneabbott8424]

Wow, seeing you two together, awesome!!

[@michaelkane732]

two great minds at work!!

[@EDP1]

thats an amazing service you give to people .

[@unclemarksdiyauto]

Nice to see everybody's friend, Keith. I am sure the two of you had a blast working on a few cars together.

[@willemstreutgers1154]

As always love the way Ivan and "king"Keith are thinking.

[@kyletuttle9064]

Great diag guys always enjoy and learn from you two

[@stevemazzarella7212]

You guys are awesome!! Thanks for that video

[@glenharper3136]

It was GREAT to see Keith. Nice video Ivan.

[@basshunter428]

Great to see the "LEGEND" hunting down gremlins again! Happy Holidays, Keith! Great video, Ivan! 👍

[@THEDRAGONBOOSTER8]

Great video .Nice to see Keith out in the sun..

[@Malcarper]

Great video...... Ivan and Keith, trying to outsmart each other, with their tech knowledge and scan tools.

[@themechanic6117]

Thanks for bringing us along! The amount of scanners on display is crazy lol

[@awakenotwoke1973]

Found In A Tip! I actually started my time at a stealership with Fiat, Renault, Peugeot, Hyundai, and Mazda.

[@fixitnowmowers8065]

Ivan's SUZUKI TO THE RESCUE !

[@TheMajorLeagueGinger]

I have a 2012 Fiat 500 with 140k miles on it, regular maintenance and it's still running well enough :] I did my belt and water pump at 120k and recently got the trans drained and filled. It's never left me stranded surprisingly

[@jackrichiedei]

I wait for your videos . LOVE THEM. I'm an old points , plugs and condenser guy. Rice rockets and rock climbing for the pump . Always liked the tracking down of problems . The challenge and satisfaction of completing a job stoked me. I wish I had stayed with it . Thanks for sharing and teaching us all the right way to diagnose . Are you getting into E V repair ?

[@patriot2164]

Hey Keith ! Good Seeing you back with Ivan !

[@williamwhite9767]

Two geniuses at work!

[@powayimports4175]

Never knew about the intake valves causing no compression sound. That’s so helpful to know!! Ty!

[@JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT]

Good to see you and Keith working side by side (usually he hanged in the background). Great diagnostic on a not-so-easy little car. Too bad it wasn't a NPR, to make it perfect :-)

[@arthurfricchione8119]

Ivan great to see Keith back in the field. Greatly missed. Final diagnosis is engine computer. Interesting to see if one can be located and programmed in todays world. Thanks again to both of you for sharing 👍

[@two6s722]

good to see you, Keith😀

[@petepeabody8905]

keith good to see you both at work

[@zx8401ztv]

Nice to see keith having time away from teaching, hands on is always good. You bounce your/keith's thoughts and catch the faults faster :-D Handy to have more than one diagnostic computer, different style of programing can show more, or just show things in a better way. Dam i'm stating the obvious again lol.

[@ginuwine11]

Great diagnosis, and good to see Keith out. I enjoyed his channel and your ride alongs together a few years back. I liked the group pic, I see my “Pico Essentials” instructor, Brian Mann! Ya’ have a good Thanksgiving holiday and stay blessed!

[@stevenkerwin4041]

Brian Mann doesn't get enough credit from the algorithm. Always have to search for his content.

[@weldingjunkie]

Good to see Keith out in the field again. Are you sure he wanted to touch that Zues lol 😂 looks like you guys had a good time

[@jimmartin9440]

Always the best!

[@scientist100]

The matco scan tool is just like the launch lol

[@elcheapo5302]

Nice to see Keith in a video again! Really miss his NLA videos.

[@jeffjankiewicz5100]

Good to see Keith out in the field again, nice change of pace for him. Keith sure has a lot of toys. RIP Fiat ECM. Thanks Ivan, very interesting.

[@sixertogo]

glad to see keith again!!!!

[@TheShop10]

Holy crap, It's the Chuck Norris of Diagnosticians. That sure is an elusive fellow.

[@jonathanclark7155]

Man love your videos. I can watch this all day. Where did you get your training? Self taught? Im a L1 master Tech at a Firestone in Texas. 6 years of experience and this is where i strive to be one day! So motivational

[@donaldisrael7147]

A lot of Magneti Morelli on my old Alfss too.

[@chriscochran8079]

Love you guys busting each other’s balls 😂

[@v8motors.]

The best scanners are Keith & Ivan.👍

[@PaulysAuto]

Always fun to see Keith back on car...awesome video Ivan, thanks for the video and training gentlemen. Have a wonderful weekend.

[@SuperM1687]

Two Legends!!!

[@salahabdulselam556]

ivaaaaaan i don't know how i missed this vid , getting hyped up ... could you please make a playlist of videos of you and keith doin things together , we would love it

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Way ahead of you... See "Staten Island Express" 🙂👍

[@salahabdulselam556]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics :D ivan yeah i've seen them all but keith is not always there :D thankyooo for the awesome sorting of playlists tho kudos from Ethiopia

[@rysacroft]

It's nice to see Keith again.Long time no see!

[@ADVANCEDLEVELAUTO]

Good to see "The Legend" back in action! Great video. I freaked out a little bit hearing the way that engine cranked 😂Btw maybe a good idea to check the 5 volt refs.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Hey how are you doing Eric! Nice to see you in the comments! Happy Thanksgiving bro :)

[@floro7130]

I would also like to see the result (replacing the ecu and starting it) .... because I wonder if it is not the electromotor of the hydraulic pump of the gearbox that is short-circuited and the ecu has nothing broken (if the gearbox is robotic)

[@randischwarz5072]

Ivan, you forgot one thing bout this vehicle...it makes a great boat anchor.

[@samwojek6628]

14:15 You could connect a multimeter on current measuring mode in series with Your “fuse” setup to see how many amps it takes or even easier…get DC clamp meter. Good job anyway👍

[@AP9311]

Is great video to see Keith on here Anna helping and figuring it out the issues with that fiat 500, lol. That car should go junk yard. Lol. Too many gremlins lol. Great video, Ivan!

[@bluejayoutpost9170]

As soon as you said I may just hold the camera I just knew better lol. Everyone in the comments your cool too. Nice read! sure miss Keith~way to go Happy travels home and Happy Thanksgiving

[@NoName-yr1jv]

Great video 👍

[@michael9515]

Magnetti Marelli does standardised electronics for motoGP. All bikes same ECU-s from them. So they are really big 👌

[@craiggoodwin9704]

I think you two are having too much fun! We are too! Hope you have a Happy Thanksgiving. Don't eat too much! (Ha!) Thanks for Sharing!

[@stigonutube]

Heya Keith and Ivan, Keith brings da big guns diag tools LOL thinktool pros held it's own Though..Good diag thorough checks of the basics powers and grounds+relays

[@jamieharris74]

I had a 2013 Fiat 500 in 2015. Battery went bad, and jumping the car multiple times knocked the PCM out. Waited weeks for one to get shipped from Italy. Fortunately it was still under warranty-and there was still a relatively local dealer.

[@danman9017]

great video tks

[@caduceus33]

I recall from many, many months ago that Keith was planning to begin working on cars on the side. So I guess that did not happen?

[@xerxes456]

It would be a dream to have 2 of you on my driveway to diagnose a car

[@markrup6369]

Did you make sure the ASD relay was good? Could you manually energize the ASD relay and provide power to the three fuses??

[@user-ke4qc3ki2b]

You havent tested the relay control wire for continuity or I didnt saw it? I've seen a lot of euro cars with same problem and a lot of the times is broken control wire of the relay which powers up the ecm. Also you could have put power to those fuses (manually energize the relay) and test if there is communication with the ecm right?

[@Netherlands031]

I don't get the diagnosis - there was a big short, ECM and TCM not communicating, then we checked powers and grounds, conclusion: new engine computer? Why didn't we check for the location of the short, with a current clamp?

[@ADDAUTOMOBILESERVICES]

Miss the legend

[@robbflynn4325]

Great diagnosis, Keith seems a bit rusty but 2 years is a long time to be out of the game. I may need you to look at my son's 2003 Accord, it's running rough. Will be traveling up from Florida next week back home to Everett, hope I can fix but if not will be in contact- I assume you'll be free on Thanksgiving Day ? 🦃 😉 😂.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Keith never gets rusty 😉

[@huntnfishnuts5880]

A lot of the newer mopar electronics are made by magneti, solid diag, 👍

[@arielatom03]

I was waiting for you to manually turn on the asd relay with the ecm plugged in and see if maybe com was restored.

[@kostelectronics]

Hey Ivan, what about the 5V Reference? maybe it's shorted?!

[@DarrelllCampbelll]

I see all the nice snanners but is there a scanner out there that can flash/program models with OEM software or do you have to have a subscription or buy the OEM software and use a laptop and some kind of MDI2 interface to program modules?

[@mandymoo7406]

got to say it was all pointing to a standard earthing issue at first but then it wasnt,when i worked on fiats i found quite a few suffered from water ingress of the body computers and back then they were actually in the car

[@aleskyfinis1025]

Try to do more diagnosing the Keith that’s great

[@davidk7324]

"I don't know who buys one of these in automatic." Maybe the owner standing next to you?😁

[@ojmbvids]

That snap-on diag tool seems way too underpowered for the software. The thinktool looks much more responsive.

[@erik_dk842]

Overpriced like most of their stuff

[@scientist100]

Not even a topology map which is crucial for on the glance diagnosis.

[@shamessun]

Thank you pin hollow . Thank you kieth

[@billziegmond4943]

WOW I thought Keith was turning into Howard Hughes becoming a recluse. Wish I could have been their.

[@FixItPhillip]

Is it possible that the 5v reference signal could be shorted causing the pcm to have no com? I know on toyotas that happens, pcm goes into a no com state when 5v ref is shorted to ground. What do you think brotha

[@MrMaxeemum]

I had forgot about the multi-air system, I would have written the engine off with it sounding like that. OOOOPS