Fixing Devil Jin in Tekken 8

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@Oneshoe_IV Ай бұрын

Dang it! I should have never watched this video. All of these buffs make sense and now I want them

@HeyMomonia Ай бұрын

I thought the exact same Even with all those buffs i don't even think he'll be broken or top 5 or anything Just a viable character to play Now he feels so incomplete

@elegy8187 Ай бұрын

Big fan of these changes, especially buffing his pokes (love df1 being -3 and him having his old df1,2 back), giving Mourning Crow a mixup to catch people blocking, and making it easier to do WS3 out of crouch dash. Some other ideas I have are making df1,2 (the TK8 one, not the TK7 one you added back to the game) a natural combo, and buffing his 1+2. You highlight Devil Jin's need for a tracking mid that wallsplats and is safe on block, 1+2 does all of these except it is -12. I worry that making his bf2 a tracking move might make his poking too powerful in combination with the other changes

@nail_HK Ай бұрын

i like the cd1+2 change a LOT. also definitely give him a grab from mourning crow since they want to force him into that stance so much

@neke9045 Ай бұрын

I saw all these buffs in action and thought, wahoo they fixed him! 😢 Nice editing though bro, id take any of these buffs tbh 😂

@yasumivtuber Ай бұрын

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ woopsies! thank you for the feedback tho

@kab1r Ай бұрын

unlikely to implement half of these suggestions but we can hope I also would have liked his F4,3 to be changed to the last kick on 3,1,4

@felipedeandrade Ай бұрын

My god, the df1 mid extension feels so good

@hairitisbarbershop 25 күн бұрын

I like this so much! Great idea about his magic 4.

@uneasedghost3602 Күн бұрын

I like all these changes but it I were to not include 2, it’d have to be the magic 4 being a tailspin but should just be a bounding move, and the df1 should be about the same as heihachi’s df1 which is -5, so it’s incentivize what you brought up in the video a high mid mix on df1 extensions

@technothug8974 Ай бұрын

The unblockable grab heat smash removing all grey health would be awesome

@GoodnightWonderland Ай бұрын

Not the changes I've heard Dvj players request but I like these a lot, I think I'd enjoy seeing this in the game

@Joseph-xl8rl Ай бұрын

I hope the tekken developers see this ! Amazing video

@technothug8974 Ай бұрын

interesting imporvements, however I would say buffing a characters weaknesses is always a one way ticket to unoriginality and bland character archetypes (not to say all of your improvements were like that but a lot of them where). Devil jin needs buffed combo damage, a buffed hell sweep, and a buffed mixup (potentially by improving his oki back to the way it was with morning crow or buffing his iws2 to not screw immediately on launch), as these tend to be his strengths. Also potentially brining back devil jins old strong poking could be nice as he is very one dimensional right now. (definitely down for the old df2 option you mentioned) Please harada, give Devil Jin a triple electric combo starting option and buff Heavens Gate back to the way it was so you can delay it at the wall for more damage and it is an actually viable combo ender.

@yusuf0466 Ай бұрын

It really sucks to play with him but somehow I stay him loyal

@ibithfd6942 12 күн бұрын

Nah you deadass made him busted bro

@flavortownoutcast1719 Ай бұрын

Some good ideas. I would make bf23 wall splat since you risk your life for nothing. 1+2 having the old cancel to create more pressure. B1+2 being neutral instead of +1. Ff2 needs a range buff. More chip damage on MCR1. Reverse cd1 scaling change. Df2 on ch letting you choose between mcr22 and mcr1. And have cd1+2,1+2 make the opponent closer for better combos. Those are just my takes

@Mironderrr Ай бұрын

I don’t agree with B1+2. Why should it be neutral on block?

@flavortownoutcast1719 Ай бұрын

@@Mironderrr give a Mishima a move that’s neutral on block and forces crouch is very strong. As you get a lot of mileage from hit confirming 122. Currently b1+2 is -1 by making it neutral it gives devil jin a better mid that doesn’t overlook his overall design

@TemperedPuro Ай бұрын

Harada hire this guy

@somersaultinggiraffe1901 Ай бұрын

Nah cuz then they'll actually have a competent guy for balancing

@WRagnaW Ай бұрын

All what he need it's a good 14 frame mid attack.

@zurgias Ай бұрын

Cool video

@mothman566 Ай бұрын

interesting buffs, but I would change df 2 to the one he got in the story the same jin got, he has 5 ways to go mc already, with fiendish rend he would have an easier way to use ewgf, just liike the other mishimas, he's the only one who has no ewgf simplification, reina and kaz have pewgf and jin has df2

@yasumivtuber Ай бұрын

d/f+2 into ewgf, hellsweep, or +6 running 3 would be an interesting change that dates back to Tekken 5, and yeah, he kinda needs an easy ewgf doesn't he, especially now that I'm pretty sure heihachi has 1 as well

@mothman566 Ай бұрын

@@yasumivtuber it would make him fun too, his biggest problem is that they made him revolve around mc, a quite mediocre stance, and not very fun to have 6 different ways to go in that stance, df2 is also quite useless too, but getting fiendish rend would make him much more fun, and another thing I would do for mc and his heat, is make mc 3 a power crush, it wouldn't break thr game anyways cause mc isn't immune from lows especially mc 3, or make it a low, so mc becomes an actual 50/50, and then give him stpry mode moves for heat, like 1 1 1, and angel Jin swords, 1 1 1 is already balanced by the inconsistency of 1 1's tracking and it's bad range, and the swords would serve as high damage/High knockback back panic moves, it would be enough to balance them by making the vertical sword have 0 tracking and the horizontal one a high, and those buffs would still make him suck but at least they're kinda the bare minimum, the rest of the buffs depend on wether they want to keep him a gimmick or get him back as an all rounder, something the devs don't even know judging by the nerfs and they're statements, in general he needs new or technically old lows and some buffs on the ones he already got, he is the good highs and lows Mishima afterall, and then better frames (he is so minus and unsafe that you can't build any pressure, and lose your turn no matter what you do) give him back his old pokes and old df1 2 mid and overall speed and range on his tools if they actually want to make him an all rounder again, or give him back his old 50/50s like samsara, very weird that things that would've complimented his gimmicks were removed from Tekken 8, he doesn't even have three ring circus and upper.

@PermaAzure Ай бұрын

sick as video!

@CringePerformer Ай бұрын

Great video, hope that something will be realised by Tekken team (pls)

@Mokidekey Ай бұрын

It feels like they wanted the direction of this character to be less Raw neutral and slow play like in T7 and more explosiveness which is quite boring IMO.

@GodKingIssei Ай бұрын

I'd also add faster recovery off flying, 1+2 being able to be cancelled, 1+4 with low sweep option like he had in t7, and improve tracking on some of his moves. But i do agree with your changes, especially with 4 being tailspin and finally giving him tornado..

@yasumivtuber Ай бұрын

-Erm, I don't really know what you mean with the 1st one -1+2 being cancelled would be nice, but I believe that move also needs a knockback buff, like in t7 -1+4 Low Sweep would be fine, as long as, the sweep doesn't combo because I feel like if both option launched, it would be kinda frustrating to play against -On god, how come all of his fundamental moves are steppable to both sides -Wow thank you, I thought the 4 changes would have been too much

@GodKingIssei Ай бұрын

@@yasumivtuber What i mean is that when you fly from downed, even if you decide to not press anything, recovery is absolutely insane, to a point it makes no difference between pressing something and get launched if they duck or block, or just not do anything while Flying, as they can run through entire screen and launch you anyway..

@GodKingIssei Ай бұрын

@@yasumivtuber Also, they should fix D1+2 laser, and UF4, it happens multiple times where guys step literally into my foot and still don't get hit, like ghosts..

@hubbles117 Ай бұрын

I agree with a lot of the changes, however I feel like this isn't really a direction that Devil jin should go. He's been a much more neutral bully character as an inverse to jin's turtle style (at least in older games). To focus around the bully with long range pokes, I don't really feel like he should get much non-commital frame advantage on block (eg. the b+1+2 change you proposed), moreso pushback while having better tools in neutral, like a safer demon paw with more pushback, a longer range non heat engager normal hit knockdown uf+4 (my ideal knockdown would kinda be like steve f+1+2, 2 but rotated ~90* counter-clockwise at +3 untechable). But I feel like he DOES need better pokes, and instead of twin lancer, maybe changing tsunami kicks so then df+1 doesn't feel like a do-everything poke, and with df+4,4 reducing the recovery of the second hit by 5 frames for +1 hit -10 block, this way it is a delayable mid mid 13f poke string that, while not safe, is safe enough that people will fear it allowing df+4,4 to be a useful move and a compliment to df+1 without being insignificant. I really do like the changes to his lows that you proposed, however I DESPISE the idea of giving him a "hellsweep" out of stance, this game has too much stance rushdown and there are better ways to apply a block based mixup out of stance, and to compliment the lasers removing grey health, maybe make his MRN1+2 an extremely high chip damage high (15-ish), with like +1 on block (again pushback), that does a wall rebound on block to give wall utility to MRN. Another change that would be similar would be increasing the chip damage of his electric to something like 7 instead of 4, this allows for a longer range, safer and more stressful neutral matchup against dvj. He has been an always slightly out of reach twist on the mishima style which makes since as he is supposed to be t3 jin KAZAMA, a style based around using your opponents frustration to make them run into your parries, evasion, and counter hit tools. And having him dominate spacing without much insentive to be in kissing distance with your opponent, would satisfy his mishima and kazama roots while keeping him relatively unique in T8. Also buff his sidestep and backdash for these neutral situations :)