FLAT! But how do you fix a tubular?

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[@duraace]

I only use Continental Competition 25mm and rim tape custom made by 3M for a UCI Carbon wheel maker in New Zealand, which results in perfectly seated tubulars. The key is a bit of sealant. Simple punctures are self repair immediately. I bring a small pump to inflate soft tires after a puncture. They’re the same pressure when I get home. Most of my tires wear out.

[@bradchew7937]

I’m going to give this newer type rim tape a go, It seems to be very neat, nothing worse than getting mastic all over the rooms etc

[@rp6760]

No matter what cycling marketing BS likes to tell us. Tubbies have a ride quality of no equal 👌

[@PaulWhitcomb-ty6md]

Thanks. I rode with tubulars for my first summer in 2023. I have been somewhat apprehensive about my first flat. I do carry an extra tire, and thank you for showing how to get it a little smaller (it's in the same configuration that Panaracer sent it to me in, which is about 12" long, folded three times). I'm really enjoying the feel of the tubulars on my '63 Grubb. I run them at 130psi, and even tried 140. I was pleased but a little surprised to hear you say I don't need spoons. I think I put three layers of glue on, and am hoping I can get the tire off easily.

[@82vitt]

I haven't had a flat with my tubulars yet from the day I switched in February (touch wood, hope I am not tempting fate here). Only yesterday I did 170km on mostly rough to very rough UK roads. I used to carry a size 20 spare tyre in my jersey pocket, but recently on the last couple rides I ditched that and just carried a bottle of Tufo sealant specially formulated for tubular tyres. I think that 99% of the flats I have ever had with clinchers was due to either hitting a pot hole and the tyre bottoming out and the rim pinching the tube, or riding on courses in urban areas, when I commuted to work, where there was a high likelihood of lots of glass and metal debris on the surface, which I don't do now as I can work from home due to covid, and ride only in quiet rural locations. So, yeah, overall very happy with my decision to switch to tubulars.

[@michaelnrg11]

I have a pair of very light clincher aluminium wheels, thinking of buying a tubular rim set of 50mm because of the weight saving (1080gr) my only consern is the flats.. not about of what to do when flat, but the cost of the tyres, you have to pay double the size compare to clincher, (but as I'm thinking clincher tyre + latex tube could be the same) Also is the gluing thing,... Do you glue your tyres or use rim tape?

[@waynosfotos]

@@michaelnrg11 check out my linked video at the end of the video, I show how to install a tubular with tape. Glue is a bit of a pain, I won't lie. I would start with tape, once you get familiar, with fitting the tyre, then if you want try the glue try then. With glue you need to apply thin layers to the tyre and rim seperately and allow to dry, two or three coats, allow to dry inbetween. Then put on one wet coat and mount before it drys. Then leave over night before riding. Bit of a process. Tape is super easy, doesn't smell, and easier when replacing next tyre.

[@bradchew7937]

I’ve always use singles, and of course I just strap them underneath the seat and all is ticketyboo, I did prefer the old mastic which would stay pliable for a good while and then you’re able to relocate the spare tire on the rim and it will get you home without rolling off of course, anyway that was really informative and I enjoyed it. Brad

[@pigeonpoo1823]

The good thing is, to some extent, we currently have a choice between tubs, inners and tubeless. So, pick the one that suits you best. Unlike actual bicycles where there is, among the big manufacturers, no choice. (integrated) Disk or nothing.

[@dickieblench5001]

Giant and colnago offer rim

[@patrickparisienne1917]

Great one! I’ve just turned to tubular tyres, enjoying the ride quality👌 I folded my spare as shown, and it’s no bigger than a packable jacket in the jersey pocket. All I did different was to add sealant when I mounted the tyre, and it saved me on my first ride on a coarse chip country road, just kept pedalling. However I found that CO2 canisters freeze up the sealant and cause it to leak again until it thaws(10 sec or so). I just carry a small air pump now...👍🏽

[@waynosfotos]

Just be aware, I use to add sealant straight away too, but went away from that as the sealant (latex based) over time attacks the latex tubes. It takes 6 to 12 months. So now only put in when i flat.

[@patrickparisienne1917]

@@waynosfotos thanks fir the heads up! My old Veloflex Extremes had sealant inside them, so as spares, do you recommend I wash the sealant out? My new tubs, Continental Giro’s I’m sure are butyl tubes ( they held pressure for over a week), so I assume they should be fine?

[@waynosfotos]

@@patrickparisienne1917 yes wash the sealant out, if they go flat ( and the bike is resting on them) or you fold them the sealant will stick them together inside. As that is what sealant is supposed to by design.

[@trekmadone1048]

@@waynosfotos so what do you so when you get home with the tubular you just added sealant after a puncture on a latex bases tubular? Will you continue to use it even though you metioned it does not like high pressure after a puncture on a latex tubular

[@cyclingadventure1804]

You're fantastic, bring back memories when I used tubulars in the 60's, waited to get home to unsewn, patch tube, re-sewn with curve needle - all repair ... Now I'm going back to them much easier these days. Love them Thanks

[@waynosfotos]

Yep and I still run them on every ride.

[@kujux800]

havent had tubular flat in 7 years, in 2021 5 flats on clincher already...................

[@AndrewBlucher]

As Hermione said "You're doing it wrong!"

[@AndrewBlucher]

"Tied up with a little leather strap" Aka a toe strap :-)

[@waynosfotos]

Yeps that is the one ☝️

[@sebastianm2381]

I carry sealant and one of those Tufo superlight tubulars in 22mm width. It's only about 200g, packs almost as small as a spare inner tube. I put it in a small saddlebag and have it under my seat and it's really only there to get me home in case sealant won't do the job.

[@waynosfotos]

Exactly

[@82vitt]

"packs almost as small as a spare inner tube" - That's a bit of a stretch, istn't it :). I too used to carry a size 21 Tufo and the smallest "package" I managed to squish it down to was 7 x 17cm, where as a spare tube can be rolled up to be as small as 5x5cm. So yeah, the Tufo could still fit into my jersey pocket, but it was quite chunky.

[@sebastianm2381]

@@82vitt Well a super light butyl inner tube certainly packs smaller. That's true. I'm comparing it with a Continental Race inner tube that comes in one of those small saddle bags with a zipper. And that one is just marginally smaller under my saddle compared with a Tufo S3 Lite tubular. I use a velcro strap to really do it up tightly.

[@dickieblench5001]

@@82vitt tufo pack tiny ultra light weight tub

[@dickieblench5001]

@@waynosfotos Do you pre glue your spare tub? Have you ever used a spare without glue? Thanks 👍

[@franzkohlack8336]

I needed that video 2015 when I switched over to clinchers back again :D haha. On to the next years...... thanks Wayno :)

[@markcarlton]

If you use quality tubulars and look after them properly they will wear out before they puncture. I know this from over 40 years of tubular riding. Everything else for serious road riding is an inferior compromise.

[@michaelnrg11]

The thing is that the weight you save from the tubular rims, you take it back with the extra tyre that you have to carry, I want so much to buy a tubular rim for all the pros but for me the downside is that you have to put your hand deep in the pocket for the price of the tyres that you have to buy, the cheapest tubular tyre is 20 euros and if you want performance you can spend 70 euros per tyre, for clinchers you can buy two 5000gp with 70 euros

[@waynosfotos]

Yeah but you can buy a number on special and get them at a reasonable price. I also argue, if you are riding premium bikes, then your bike is worth or devaluaing faster than any tyre prices. So only a small cost really relative to the overall cost of cycling.

[@dickieblench5001]

Carry a lightweight track tub. They fold up same size as an innertube

[@shannontrainer5857]

@@dickieblench5001 You do know there's no road debris on a wooden velodrome.

[@dickieblench5001]

@@shannontrainer5857 I ride through road debris all the time on tubs. Not yet had to use my track tub. Broken glass is the real danger but that's the same for all systems and it's usually so easy to see you can just ride around it.

[@zzz66606]

Ive had a second tubular tire fail at the stem, unrepairable in that past few years

[@TobiMcTobeface]

Besides being the wayy it's always been done, what reasons are there for pre gluing rim and tyre prior to mounting? I didn't do this on a previously glued carbon rim using standard conti glue and the tyre cannot be moved even slightly. It has stuck better than any tape. I just don't understand why the extra processes that are traditionally practiced when gluing tyres

[@sccxvelo]

Thinking of running road tubular after CX season on my race alloy tubular wheelset when CX tubular comes off in late winter on v brake CX bike. The comfort factor on the local rough roads should be worth it. Still have to buy a clincher set for back up or for the wider 35-40mm tires for general mixed surface riding. The tubular wheels are lighter then clinchers but hassles are worth it for racing and road riding.

[@gadgetsandtechs8428]

Please make a video on tubular tyre puncture repair

[@waynosfotos]

If you mean unstitch them and repair. I must admit i have not had to much success doing it, have tried a number of times. Either I am no good at it or it needs expertise or I am to many thumbs. I have done repairs but only using sealant and a patch. I have done videos on this.

[@jamesmckenzie3532]

Had a guy running tubs and he flatted. Swapped tubs and headed home to get his other bike. He was using glue because tape wasn't reliable. Yep, the spare stayed on long enough to get him home. This issue was that we have people who use the shoulder of the road as a waste bin.

[@therainbowgulag.]

Sadly I'm old enough to remember when tubs were the norm. A right pain in the arse.

[@waynosfotos]

With tape, so easy now. 😊

[@trekmadone1048]

So what do you do when you get a puncture on a latex tubular so you can continue to use it with high pressure? Since latex does not like high pressure ? Do you replace it with a new one when you get home?

[@AidanP1]

Have you ever tried Vittoria Pit Stop? I’m a recent convert to tubulars, fortunately have not punctured yet but am carrying stans, pit stop and a spare to ensure I’ve got all bases converted though it’s maybe a bit excessive

[@waynosfotos]

Yes i have tried those products, but again they are pressurised and they can make a big mess. I find taking the valve out putting sealant in, valve back in, pump it up, spin it works best and easiest

[@lanceblack888]

I seem to recall a tub will stay on the wheel when inflated without glue for the purposes of getting home with care.

[@waynosfotos]

Yes it will, but just don't try and scrape the pedals 🤣

[@paulschulman8131]

Thanks for the jersey!

[@waynosfotos]

👍

[@mauricegulpers8804]

Which tubes can you recommand or do you use for training and touring?

[@harryspizzeria2501]

Can you put the sealant once you install tire on the rim? Or is it only in case you get a puncture on the road ? Thanks for your amazing videos, recently following all of them🙏🏽🚴🏽

[@waynosfotos]

I like to put it in when i get a puncture as the sealant over time hardens and attacks the tube if it is latex. It take about 6 to 12 months. I have just got a puncture and the sealant fixed it but it only holds around 60psi. This is the problem with all tyres using sealant. It doesn't like higher pressures.

[@trekmadone1048]

@@waynosfotos so adding latex sealant is not a permanent FIX? I'M I CORRECT? AFTER GETTING A PUNCTURE LATEX SEALANT JUST ALLOWS you to get home. Is there a sealant that will permanently seal tubular LATEX puncture?

[@lanceblack888]

I thought I’d do some preventative maintenance and tried to insert Joe’s yellow gel sealant into my rear tubular tyre. Problem! It won’t go in. I can get a small amount to go in, but it leaks out again almost immediately. It’s like I need a special low viscosity sealant for my tubular tyres. Normal sealant isn’t working! L

[@waynosfotos]

I use stans, easy to get in, but you must have a removable valve. Works a treat for 90% of punctures.

[@lanceblack888]

@@waynosfotos I removed the valve and the valve extension, but the sealant would not go in. I’ll try stans next time. The stuff I was using was quite viscous. Perhaps too stodgy.

[@joergbeigang]

Good vid, mate. Let's keep the tubulars alive! What about a video that's going a little further. Thinking of opening a tub and fix the inner tube, or what I only read about so far and never did it myself is opening the tub, pulling out the inner tube and replacing it with a new latex Tube, that's being clued together.

[@waynosfotos]

I did try this a number of times. Bought the kit and attempted to repair. The problem i had was i couldn't get all the bulge out (not so i couldn't feel it when riding) so i have to admit i was un successful in repairing them.

[@paulflory3532]

I had success repairing punctured tubulars. Was racing on a shoestring, so I used repaired tubulars for training (never in races!). The bike shop would save punctured tubs from customer bikes for me, and I picked ones that were not badly holed or sliced to do surgery on. I vaguely recall making patches from pieces of latex inner tubes from unsalvageable tubs, and gluing them on with vulcanizing cement. I used a "Speedy Stitcher Sewing Awl" (still available on Amazon!) to sew the tire back together where I had cut the stitches. If it ended up with a bump in it, I just threw it out: hadn't cost me anything other than time. But if I were doing it now I'd definitely try sealant instead!

[@iMadrid11]

Does the Stan's DART plug tool work with tubulars? It's advertised as tubeless tire repair tool to plug large tire punctures.

[@waynosfotos]

Not familiar with that product so can't comment.

[@andyeunson270]

I think not. The plug relies on a single wall of a relatively robust tire casing. I don’t think you could plug through a casing into a soft pliable tube. Compounding the repair is the fact that a flat tube within a tubular won’t be pressing against the casing so the plug couldn’t reach it. If that makes sense?

[@tobycolin6271]

@@andyeunson270 no darts and worms don’t work with tubs. But tubs don’t suffer as badly from knicks as tubless tyres do. I don’t use tubeless any more as the frequency of punctures was far higher than tubs or tubes tyres. In fact I’ve got a tubed gatorskins that has cuts all over it and not one flint has penetrated the tube. I know this because the tube got muc off sealent in it and there is no sign of a seal. If this tyre had been tubeless I would have had at least 4 roadside punctures. My mates all run tubeless and they have far more punctures and reseals than I do. We had one ride where 8 of us rode past a cut hedge there was 3 tubeless riders spraying sealent all around before eventually sealing at around 30psi, I rode through with no drama on tubes my other mates had no drama 2 on tubs , 2 on tubes and 1 on tubeless we must have been lucky.

[@jamessawyers3734]

This might seem a stupid question, but how much tyre sealant do you need to use, how do you know you’ve inserted enough, and does it matter what brand of sealant you use?

[@waynosfotos]

30 to 60 ml

[@jamessawyers3734]

@@waynosfotos thanks!

[@Mesofs9]

Would sealant work with clinchers? I have a tubeless ready set of yoeleowith Continentals on them. But they were so difficult to get on the rim im actually scared for punctures on the road 😯

[@jamesmckenzie3532]

I'm running 5000TLs and actually put a a fastening screw through them. The key is to refresh your sealant about every other month. I've put all sorts of thorns through them and we have the most evil thing called goat heads and they don't bother the tyre.

[@glennoc8585]

That's a big thing to carry though😦

[@davidburgess741]

Been there, done that. Never again!

[@seanwatson8831]

Could you put stans sealant in pre race/ride to prevent punctures?? Would that work??

[@waynosfotos]

I did a more recent video on adding the sealant when you get a flat on the side of the road. Yes you can run the sealant in the tyre as with tubeless. But over time the stans does attack the latex tube as stans is latex as well. It does take 6 to 12 months though.

[@lachyarrighi1797]

Hey Wayno, how much Stans do you throw down the valve? Cheers mate

[@waynosfotos]

Between 30 to 60ml depending on the size of the tyre

[@onimurateru]

I use slime tire sealant for a long time.It's work very well.

[@mickchaganis6607]

What pressure will sealant take? I've put it in my 25c Maxxis tubulars and got it in my 25c tubes, I run around 85psi as I'm 95kg. One of my classic steel bikes has 23c as this is the maximum size that will fit the but I'm around 100psi on these. I've bought Conti tubes as they have removable cores but wondering am I wasting my time on smaller tyres, will it just squirt out all over.

[@waynosfotos]

It depends on the flat, i can hold full pressure, but sometimes it will only hold a lower pressure like 40 - 60psi. But almost always will get you home.

[@mickchaganis6607]

@@waynosfotos yeh that's what I want, to be able to get home, was wondering if I put sealant in my 23c at 100psi and I got a puncture would it sqirt out until the pressure drops to maybe 60psi then get me home. Tell you what Wayno, a video on Jersey sizing would be great, ffs XL hanging off me, large like a tightly packed sausage, variation between brands is silly. I'm a bigger bloke, lift weights, work in construction, maybe not cyclist shape but I enjoy building bikes and riding so want to look the part. 😁

[@waynosfotos]

@@mickchaganis6607 okay, good point, i did include the specific measurements for my jerseys in my description for this reason. The jereys i get are on the smaller size for the sizing. Probably not everyone is interested in jersey sizing a a video topic but maybe i can fit it in at the end of a video somewhere. Also thinking of getting some gillets made, as in Australia they are not common in shops. Let me know what you think? Cheers for the feedback.

[@waynosfotos]

@@mickchaganis6607 as to sealant, no will not squirt out at 100psi, only while sealing, but this is the same with tubeless. The problem i have found is it seals, you then start riding again and after a few day it drops pressure and will not consistently hold the higher pressure. Sometimes you have to retire the tyre. But it is not that common, most times it seals and all good. If it is a prick puncture, it seal everytime.

[@mickchaganis6607]

@@waynosfotos yeh not a full video but a mention, I bought a Madison Jersey and had to send it back, so so small, bought same size from German supermarket Aldi to last me while I could find something decent, massive. Not everyone that loves cycling is cyclist shape, I did my first TT two weeks ago and you had the fast guys who 'fitted the mould'...... and the other 75 percent..... All shapes and sizes.

[@lanceblack888]

Did you put glue on that spare tyre?

[@waynosfotos]

I don't use glue anymore, just tape.

[@lanceblack888]

@@waynosfotos me too. Tape is great. Just wondering why you folded the spare tyre so carefully? Thought you might have prepared it with tape or glue. Of course glue would dry up in a few hours, so I guess I answered my own question!

[@waynosfotos]

It can be folded very small like this if you get all the air out. Plus it is tradition 😁👍

[@lanceblack888]

@@waynosfotos I have one in my saddle bag. Hope I never have to use it because ripping off a glued tyre and fitting a new one will not be fun miles from anywhere. Hopefully my sealant will save me the bother. Thanks again!

[@waynosfotos]

@@lanceblack888 no Man it is easy. You take your wheel off. Rock the tyre on the rim opposite the valve till the glue breaks. Then just rip the tyre off. Now stretch the new spare (can pre glue it and fold as i have shown in my vid) on to the wheel. Pump up slightly, straighten, then pump up fully. Refit tyre and your on your way. Just take it easy as the tyre is not properly fitted. Works a treat.

[@rickp6007]

Looking for rim brake tubular wheels. Any recommendations y'all?

[@waynosfotos]

Yeah most are normally pretty decent as they where only made for high end rims. There is no budget tubulars released in the last ten to twenty years. So you are pretty safe.

[@dickieblench5001]

Dura ace C50👍

[@seanwatson8831]

Would the sealant work if you have a deep rim wheel ??

[@waynosfotos]

Yeah, why not?

[@seanwatson8831]

@@waynosfotos just wondering if it would get through with the extension valve off?? I'm a newbie with tubular tyres

[@waynosfotos]

@@seanwatson8831 yes it works i run extensions all the time. But don't use the ones that you need to keep the valve open and has a open end. Use the one that extends the valve out to the end.