Flat Earthers can't sextant. They talk a lot but where are the results?

[@Wolfie6020]

Thanks to generous offers by others the prize amount is now over $4000 All we are seeing so far are excuses, deflections and insults. No prize for those.

[@volcanoimage]

Let's see if there are any takers. It is extremely difficult or should I say impossible to get any flat Earther to take a monetary challenge even if it is something as simple such as explaining a sunset or an eclipse.

[@ReValveiT_01]

Excellent. Now let's wait for the next triggered dishonest flerf to try and turn their failure to do this challenge back onto you.

[@Wolfie6020]

@@volcanoimage I offered Phuket Word $2000 to get video of the satellites eclipsing around the time of the Equinox. I even suggested he could ask the local Astronomy club to do it for him and I would accept that if he posted it on his channel. Crickets.

[@Alysm-Aviation]

@@Wolfie6020 I'd volunteer 10% of my donation to the pot to the first flatty to even attempt it, as long as they attempt each point of the challenge, right or wrong.

[@volcanoimage]

@@Wolfie6020 Phuket Word is a flat Earth grifter. He is a waste of time to even converse with. These jokers know exactly what they are doing and unfortunately some of their followers believe it. But the good news is that flat Earth is dying a slow death. You can see it in the sub numbers with many of the flat earth channels. Let's keep these challenges going.

[@WoodworkerDon]

It won't be long for Emma: "Dad, can I borrow the plane?" 😀

[@fabimre]

It's in her "genes". Nature or Nurture? Both I guess!

[@Sherwoody]

Of course you can use it. Just make sure you gas it up when you’re done.

[@mrxmry3264]

@@fabimre yeah, in Emma's case it's probably both.

[@youarewrongdevil1296]

and don't dip down the nose because you will crash if you do so...

[@delirium6109]

‘Dad, can I have a plane?’

[@Alysm-Aviation]

"kindly supplied by my sponsor" I *LOVE* how nonchalantly you said this.

[@FrenchCrow]

Indeed :D and they will buy it, no doubt.

[@whereswa11y]

I enjoy grabbing the leading edge of the floor covering. I see you too have a firm grip. Soon the snapping action and the rapid translation will happen.

[@gerardbryant4840]

I can feel the burn from here!

[@phillipkidd762]

@@whereswa11y What? Make that floor covering into a magical flying carpet. Wouldn't that make Michelle a pilot? He'd be at least as well qualified as a pilot after that as he is to use a sextant.

[@mrxmry3264]

... while showing the NASA logo on the mount :-)

[@pdxdragon7479]

4:32 *"If you can't produce results, anything you have to say about sextants is worthless."* With all respect Wolfie6020, I feel anybody offering themselves as laughingstocks in this dreary world is serving some purpose.

[@ReValveiT_01]

True, true.

[@zemoxian]

[insert laughing gif here]

[@TriggeredLimey]

Very good point. And it has been fun to laugh at them. But I feel like this has run its course now. They need to come up with something new for us to debunk or it'll just continue to get more boring.

[@globe24h86]

@@TriggeredLimey - Well now they think the sextant is the no. 1 flat earth proof. Before that they had the black swan. Next month it'll be some other crazy thing. Of course they are always wrong.

[@david_akerman]

@@globe24h86 It'd be fun to think up some new "100% flat earth proof" for them, drop it into some flerf video comments and see if they take the bait. Though they are amazingly good at finding actual globe proofs and thinking that those are flat earth proofs; the sextant is their best yet.

[@DDR248]

Flat Earth Rule #1: Deny EVERYTHING that is real and accept EVERYTHING that is fake.

[@tubedude54]

Back too many years ago for me to want to remember when I was in college (late 70's) I took a geodesy class. Everyone had to do a term paper on a subject from a list the professor gave out. He placed all our names in a 'hat' and drew them out and when your name was called you chose one of the topics. By the time my name was called all the 'good' topics were gone. So I selected "Determining position on the Earth by Occultations" since I was also an amateur astronomer. GPS was coming into being back then and all the topics related to GPS were gone so I did this one. It was a method that could produce good results of 20-30 feet accuracy. I proved in my paper that if you tied your sightings to a time signal graph with direct correlation to star intensity readings using photo cells to determine the 'exact' moment the occultation started you could get accurate calculated results to 3-5 feet. Which was as good as GPS results back then... I think I surprised the prof! Let's see if a flerf can do those! (Don't even ask me how to do it anymore... I swept all that knowledge into a storage room in the dark recesses of my mind LOL)

[@sissyfus6181]

Way Kool!!!

[@colinellicott9737]

This would fit perfectly within those mangled FLERF brains - the 'Occult Positioning System' ;)

[@RichWoods23]

@@colinellicott9737 OPS: Sacrifice a black cockerel to Lucifer and wait for the Dark Lord to dribble the coords into the bwainz.

[@osci08]

I predict crickets for the next 5 years just like your flight planning challenge Wolfie.

[@Wolfie6020]

No doubt at all.

[@bluemarblescience]

Spot on Wolfie. I think your bet is pretty safe. I've yet to see a single flat earther that appears to have any understanding of how a sextant works, let alone how to actually use one. Good luck flerfs - we're laughing at you as we await your response!

[@sissyfus6181]

"to have any understanding of how a sextant works" But thanks to you they have iron grasp of Cavendish.... Baby steps.....

[@Kestrel626]

@QED Does he hang out on Oakley's channel?

[@Kestrel626]

Not much hope of them using a sextant to navigate. Riley couldn't find Hoylake with GPS, then at a place he claimed was Hoylake he couldn't even work out which direction Blackpool was in & photographed a tower on a hill instead.

[@requiem4adream87]

@QED been having a bit of fun with him stringing him along to make more posts and feed the algorithm. He posted for 12 hours yesterday and first thing in the morning logged on to comment again. For some reason he reminds me of Gleem only without the walls of text of cherry picked quotes.

[@requiem4adream87]

@@DrEMichaelJones You burned bridges when you made those horrible comments about Wolfie's kid.

[@fedogma8407]

I'd be willing to bet that they couldn't even make a single accurate measurement with a sextant of any celestial object. Also, I'm still waiting for that team of FE "sextant experts and celestial navigators" to finally give us the correct altitudes to the flat earth sun, moon, and Polaris.

[@MaxxMcGeePrivate]

What do you expect from people that can't tell how many meters are in a kilometer or what the angles are in an equilateral triangle. XD

[@AWZool]

"Apparent height" XD

[@tiobeto9015]

@@MaxxMcGeePrivate jezz… it really happened? I know one who says he’s IT scientist but doesn’t know how to use ms excel.

[@Mandelbrot_Set]

Have you ever seen a flat earther measure anything that wasn't inside with them? I haven't.

[@Mandelbrot_Set]

@@tiobeto9015 Nathan Oakley did not know how to convert from meters to kilometers. When given the method, he argued about it. He said something like, "You don't divide by a number to make something larger!"

[@mittelwelle_531_khz]

Congrats Wolfie - the set of requirements is very cleverly chosen.

[@Wolfie6020]

Easy if the Earth is actually Flat. Impossible if it isn't.

[@eileendover3938]

@@Wolfie6020 this is glorious. ‘No globe tools’ - it’s a killer.

[@ReValveiT_01]

@@Wolfie6020 I assume they aren't allowed to use 60nm per degree, as that clearly couldn't work with 'perspective' (what they claim)? Flerfspective, maybe, but not perspective.

[@Kromaatikse]

@@ReValveiT_01 They should take the tangent of the angle to the horizon, then divide the true altitude (in nm) of whatever celestial object they observed by it. This would give the distance over a flat earth's surface (in nm) to the ground position of that object. Three such observations to objects visible in completely different directions should give a "cocked hat" of overlapping radii. If it's reasonably high in the sky (say over 20 degrees above the horizon), refraction should be negligible - and if they say it isn't, they need to provide calculations of that refraction correction. Using globe formulae is pretty similar, except without the tangent - you actually take the angle from *overhead*, though you use the horizon as the reference and then invert arithmetically. This directly gives the distance (one arcminute = one nautical mile) from the ground position of the object at the moment of observation. All the rest of the calculation is working out what that ground position is (from the almanac and the current time), then resolving distances into coherent lines of position.

[@Sherwoody]

The hard part won’t be getting a sextant, there are hundreds available online, it’s understanding (reading) the instructions. They might even think that they have discovered they’re on two earth’s.

[@adventureswithdogs2251]

First! (Sorry, but everyone else does it...) And now, having claimed this small victory, I propose a new rule of (il)logic: modus sextantus. "I do not understand how sextants work, and I believe the Earth is flat. Therefore, sextants prove that the earth is flat".

[@Wolfie6020]

Great to see you. Thanks.

[@ComradeJehannum]

Damn you!!!! I thought I would have gotten here first.

[@awatt]

Congratulations 🥇

[@Sherwoody]

One happy meal coming up. 🍔🍟🥤

[@Sherwoody]

@@ComradeJehannum here’s your consolation prize. 🍕🍺

[@aznmutt15]

Its hilarious because they don't understand, without a map and coordinate system, the sextant is useless.

[@ReValveiT_01]

Mitchell could really use that money. I bet he's wishing he could do this.

[@Trevor_Austin]

He certainly could do with the money. Unfortunately his reasoning and priorities are well out of whack with reality. If he put as much effort into finding and keeping a job he wouldn’t be so short of cash. One of the easiest ways to go broke is to either get woke and/or jump on the flat Earth bandwagon.

[@Mandelbrot_Set]

Jake the flat-hole was employed as a performer in elder care facilities. I don't know why he assumed that he could could keep that job while refusing to be vaccinated. His recent feud with other flat earthers is rather amusing. Everyone is "exposing" everyone else.

[@OAlem]

Kindergarten has show and tell. Successful kids show their toy and tell you how it works. The under-achiever kid brings nothing to show, only tells the other kids their toys don't work.

[@profphilbell2075]

Wolfie, I reckon your money is safe. Calculating the complimentary angle alone will stump them

[@robertlafleur5179]

Math, flerfs kryptonite.

[@Mandelbrot_Set]

Flerfs are especially afraid of geometry. I would love to run into one of their conferences and shout, "I've got an isosceles triangle and I am not afraid to use it!"

[@Sherwoody]

@@Mandelbrot_Set that’s the equivalent of yelling “theatre” in a crowded fire.

[@TriggeredLimey]

Well, 10th Man apparently started studying sextants at the beginning of 2020. Almost 2 years later now. Wonder if he'll have the balls to respond. I doubt it though, because deep down he knows he's full of it. Great video and challenge, sir!

[@hireahitCA]

Only one ball needed, but unfortunately it has a radius of 6378KM so it looks flat from limited perspectives.

[@Trevor_Austin]

You could have stuck an extra few zeros on the prize as it is totally unclaimable. To my knowledge no flatty has ever made any astronomical observations. After all, they refer to planets and stars as ‘luminaries’ and regularly tell is they that as yet mankind doesn’t know what they are because ‘reasons’. So no astronomical almanac, no position, no prize. Your money is safe.

[@mysteryman9119]

On the comedy/documentary Flatearth film "Behind The Curve" some flattards made some measurements with a laser of some kind and (TWICE) accidentally proved that earth was in fact rotating. .but they ignored the results and pretended they were wrong.. .It was very funny👍🌏✔

[@SnaxDesAvions]

@@mysteryman9119 yes !! I remember they were saying "ho it's... interesting" lol. But in all honesty, I hope it opened their eyes. You know I feel that flat earthers just want to prove by themselves that the earth is round, with their means only, not being given to them like because they believe that NASA is evil, dark societies, shadows governments and all that stuff that govern the world, and if they manage to get the good answers by themselves, it will wipe all their misconceptions about the earth shape, and everything else possibly. But with their methods, they'll go there the hard way, with all the wrong answers first, to finally arrive at the good one? A but like that quote by Thomas Edison "I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." lol

[@honeychurchgipsy6]

@@SnaxDesAvions - I think there are some who will do as you suggest but unfortunately those who have the big YT channels - such as Jeranism and Bob Knodell most probably already know the earth is a globe but continue on because it makes them money. Apparently Jeranism has measured the distance to the ISS but still insists space isn't real: not sure what you can say to that.

[@ThoughtandMemory]

@@mysteryman9119 that was Bob knodel with the ring laser gyroscope “15°/Hr” #thanksbob and Jeranism with his perfectly thought out experiment using a water way to provide reference for the surface mounted boards with holes. That he found “interesting”.. Both channels subsequently deleted everything to do with both parts. Hysterical and immortalised forever on film.

[@mysteryman9119]

@@ThoughtandMemory yeah bob it was.. .not too bright is he?. .

[@nickmartin1688]

Emma sure is growing up fast. Its awesome to think kids today could grow to become astronauts and maybe make it to another planet.

[@hireahitCA]

Emma will master the sextant before any flat earthers do too, I’d wager. Literally, I’d wager money on this.

[@yellowlynx]

I will be learning the workings of a Sextant myself. It is a great tool to debunk Flat Earth.

[@petardrapsin8164]

You are absolutely right. They just read about sextant on Wikipedia and claim it's proof of the Flat Earth but they are not aware how stupid they are. They even don't know the difference between using sextant and using compass.

[@jagheterbanan]

I’m waiting for T Brown to show up claiming you can do it using distance speed and time 😂

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

He's already just posted a link to a Nathan video with no comment.

[@maxwellshammer5283]

So the Naval Almanac would be a globe tool, wouldn’t it?

[@globe24h86]

Yep, naval almanac, sight reduction tables, spherical trigonometry formulas, all of them globe tools. They have nothing except as Wolfie predicted: 1. Excuses. 2. Insults. 3. Deflections. 4. Crickets.

[@ComradeJehannum]

My guess will be "all the above". flurfs have no interest in actually PROVING the earth is flat.

[@The_Reality_Filter]

all they care about is selling merch much like the majority of FE debunkers...it's all about the $$$$$$

[@ComradeJehannum]

@@The_Reality_Filter Oh? Indicate ONE "fe debunker" who constantly begs for money? In fact, both Wolfie and Wally's channels aren't even monetised (correct Me if I'm wrong guys). You'll find most "fe debunkers" actually have DAY JOBS so the "$$$$$" have little to do with it.

[@EmersumBiggins]

If fwat erf became the majority opinion, they would abandon it, because they would no longer be “special”🙄

[@The_Reality_Filter]

@@ComradeJehannum I did say "most" which does not include wolfie, who clearly doesn't need to peddle sweat shop t-shirts on teespring.

[@ComradeJehannum]

@@The_Reality_Filter interesting that you failed to name one who does what you claim.

[@AuditingTheAbsurd]

Wonderful flerfs debunked by a child ❤ also no flerf will be able to complete the challenge infact they will run from it 😀

[@Wolfie6020]

That's the plan. Great to see you.

[@ComradeJehannum]

My kids, 6, 9 & 10, are amazed that there are "grown adults" that think the earth is flat.

[@AuditingTheAbsurd]

@@Wolfie6020 I just shouted out your challenge so the word gets out 😆

[@Wolfie6020]

@@AuditingTheAbsurd Awesome, thank you.

[@ReValveiT_01]

@@AuditingTheAbsurd I predict lots of bluster and subject changing.

I don't have any money to spare, but I'll throw my entire channel into the pot. I am about to make a video presenting "The Flat Earth Sextant" though, but I don't think it will work somehow...

[@africansinclair]

Nathan Oakley is convinced a sextant can only be used on a flat earth because it uses triangulation, therefore three straight lines. His misunderstanding is inspirational.

[@icansciencethat]

Make no mistake... Nathan Oakley knows the Earth is a globe. He's just dependent on his show for income. He knows sextants only work on globes. He's just doing an act.

[@africansinclair]

@@icansciencethat he does the act very well. Unfortunately, like trumpists, many fall for it

[@ReValveiT_01]

Slappy the Clown mustn't realise that his Lapdog, Creeping Warrior, said that Sextants don't work AT ALL.

[@africansinclair]

@@ReValveiT_01 globe 'facts' remain constant. Flat earth 'facts' depend on the narrative.

[@david_akerman]

@@ReValveiT_01 I wonder if Sleepy will cuddle up to Slappy's ear and whisper "perfect globe proof" ...

[@brianwilliams9605]

I have a Pan American 1937 Pan American bubble sextant and a 1932 royal navy nautical sextant with a 1938 RN nautical almanac. It is so much fun to play with them on a globe earth.

[@Wolfie6020]

Those sound great Brian. Collectors items for sure.

[@Sherwoody]

Funny thing about technology. These items are nearly a century old and still usable. My first TomTom lasted about 5 years.

[@Kromaatikse]

@@Sherwoody Yup, and a bubble sextant can even be used in hilly terrain where getting a good view of the horizon is impractical (but you can still see the sky).

[@BobtheScienceGuy]

Emma clearly knows more about sextants than any flat earther. Plus she has actually held one. Your challenge in intriguing and I worked through the first 4 steps hoping to get some geld. Then your 5th condition shot me down. I used globe math to find my location to 2 nm, but that disqualified me.

[@Wolfie6020]

Your videos on the topic are great Bob. You explain things so well a child could understand it. Unfortunately the average Flat Earther still cannot.

[@tjjones621]

Hey Bob, love your stuff. I know my FE map challenge is not worth the time of a real scientist. But, what do you think about my Flatafrica flight chart challenge.... taking 32 flight charts of Africa and just taping them together to make a single, flat and accurate flight chart of the whole continent? The reward is 10K which, like the map challenge, is a made up number because it will never be claimed. Best part... if laid on a curved surface, it works! All for the advancement of science and fighting disinfo! :)

[@outerlands3382]

@@tjjones621 no one has flown from Ushuaia to Cape Town direct ever game over its flat , now come on Wolfie what is that guys name with the gloves who completed your southern oceans challenge please , I'm not rubbing it in I want it for my next video because it's a1 flat earth proof and as you know that's all I have on my channel cheers

[@outerlands3382]

right Bob ? Bob knows about my proofs

[@Wolfie6020]

@@outerlands3382 What Southern Oceans challenge? No Flat Earther has ever completed one of my challenges. No it is not flat. Don't you understand how flight plans are calculated? If you want to prove the Earth is flat do either of these things. 1. Produce a real flight plan that works without relying on the Globe. Show the formula that works all over the Earth that is based on a Flat Earth. 2. Show us a physical model demonstrating every aspect of the Equatorial mount geometry. You will fail on both. Both would be easy if the Earth was flat. So why can't you do them?

[@71Hasler]

Technically the sextant is a globe tool. They will violate rule 5 before they start!! Lol. This is an amazing challenge. They'll never do it

[@lorditsprobingtime6668]

Ahh, the trick that'll bugger them: " Do not use any globe tools". That's it, game over right there since a sextant is a globe tool they're buggered from the start lol.

[@bdf2718]

A sextant is a tool for measuring angles and would measure angles equally well on a flat earth. Using those measured angles for celestial navigation works on a globe earth. On pizzaworld those angles aren't useful.

[@djtbone001a]

That's what I said. It's a trick question. If a sextant is a globe tool, flat earthers cannot use said tool to win $500.

[@donkinzett3961]

Ate they are stuffed now ,if they know how to use a sextant they have to admit the earth is round

[@AtheistRex]

You left out option 5: Not doing a damn thing and claiming victory anyway. Something about a chessboard and a pigeon comes to mind….

[@ReValveiT_01]

Yup, exactly what wpl did.

[@rysacroft]

No flerf that has ever gone to sea have ever been seen again. They could not navigate out of the harbour.

[@HelloWorld-fy1px]

That's a very interesting challenge. We know beforehand they'll fail if they attempt it. If they don't attempt it, they'll have failed with their argument.

[@richardbell7678]

That is the main reason for my flagging interest in flat earthers. All of their arguments collapse into "Everybody but me is a liar". I still enjoy the occasional thought experiment about what things would have to be true for the Earth to be flat, but I have grown tired of flat earth claims of everyone that contradicts them being liars.

[@flattenthecurve8623]

@@richardbell7678 So you’re pinned to the side of a pressurized, supersonic spinning water ball that’s in three elliptical orbits at ridiculous speeds and floating in an infinite vacuum? Globe Earth is a Ridiculous Religion Fool.

[@richardbell7678]

@@flattenthecurve8623 Yes. I am. However, the Earth is only rotating once per day, so the centripetal acceleration is much less than gravity, which is why we cannot feel it. The problem with the claim that there must be something to keep the air from escaping into space is that there is nothing keeping the air at sea level from expanding into the reduced air pressure at ten thousand feet. The fact that air pressure goes down with increasing altitude proves that there is no need for a dome to keep the air from escaping into space, as well as proof that gravity is real. I have seen, with my own eyes, clouds illuminated from below, by the Sun. I was once lucky enough to catch sight of birds being sunlit from below. On a flat earth, those sights are impossible.

[@flattenthecurve8623]

@@richardbell7678 So you’re moving faster than the speed of sound around a, yet you insist on defining speeds as revolutions per a given amount of time?? Sorry, but they’re two different things. Why is it there’s no wind? Do you know how gas behaves? You experience gas behavior every day, and gasses never move in lockstep with any ever. As far as your claim that the “pressure” is lower at higher altitudes and therefore it becomes a vacuum, well that’s just another ridiculous statement. Where did you get the pressure in the first place? This is a dynamic system. All gasses are created right here on earth and then mix. Water vapor rises up ⬆️ then condenses back to water and falls back to earth to start all over again. The sun warms other gasses that then rise and mix with cooler gasses to create high and low pressures. You need to achieve pressurized gas before you can have a dynamic system. Where’d you get the pressure in the first place? To be continued

[@flattenthecurve8623]

@@richardbell7678 How does a dynamic gas system prove gravity is really? Again, you need a finite space to achieve pressurized gas before you can have a dynamic system as proven by every gas law there is. And speaking of gravity, please elaborate. What kind of gravity are you talking about in the first place? It can’t be newton’s gravity because Einstein debunked all of newton’s laws, yes, all of newton’s laws are debunked. Look it up. Gravity is not a force. And as far as Einstein goes, everything he did on gravity is pure pseudoscience and self admitted. Just looked at the title pseudo is in the title. Einstein never did one experiment and even said he can’t prove the earth moves. That’s why he developed the transform equation. Sorry, everything can be explained by density and buoyancy. You can even do repeatable experiments to verify density and buoyancy. Things don’t always go down and that alone debunks gravity. As far as the sun’s rays illuminating the underside of clouds, how does that prove anything about your Globe Earth Religion? In your religion, the sun is 93,000,000 miles away. That’s ridiculous right off the bat. How can people be freezing in NY and swimming in Florida? Sorry, the sun just isn’t that far away. Besides, we’re taking about the earth aren’t we? The horizon destroys your Globe Earth Religion every day everywhere. Simply put, we see far too far. You need a geometric horizon that actually curves away from the observer. The fact of the matter is, the horizon rises up with altitude. It should be dropping and curving, but that simply doesn’t happen. As a matter of fact, your priests know this, and that’s why they always employ fisheye lenses. Your whole religion is nothing but cartoons and hoaxed moon landings which should be raining red flags 🚩 everywhere in your mind. If it doesn’t, then you’re either an idiot or just another religious zealot who’s thrown away your physics books so that you can kneel down at the altar of Globe Earth Religion.

[@td_kdname5197]

Wolfie's money is safe. They can't do maths.

[@ianobrien3248]

You'd think someone would say "Fine, send me the money. It's more than I will ever make peddling this nonsense."

[@therealzilch]

I predict that a flat Earther will get that $500 when you get your $100,000 from Flat Out Hero.

[@fromnorway643]

Will that happen _before_ or _after_ the Sun runs out of hydrogen in its core?

[@therealzilch]

@@fromnorway643 That's something I'm reluctant to predict. :)

[@stanislavblinov8454]

Heh, didn't take long at all for the deflections to commence.

[@Wolfie6020]

They are so predictable.

[@quikee9195]

Ohh noo.. I'm too qualified for this challenge. I'm not a flerf. :(

[@MrOttopants]

Man, Mitchell is gonna win this money easily. He's definitely got it all worked out already.

[@Wolfie6020]

I look forward to his entry. If he meets the challenge I will happily pay him. But I doubt he will even try.

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

Are you sure Mitchell even has a map?

[@izaomar8416]

You can keep your money Wolfie…because I think you’ll receive ‘cricket’ response from these flat earthers…

[@Sherwoody]

My prediction is that by the end of December they’ll circle back to the black swine and forget about sextants. Maybe they’ll move on to the sun board.

[@hartmutholzgraefe]

I'd bet that none of them even own a sextant. So far I have not seen any of them showing one in any of their videos.

[@Wolfie6020]

Exactly.

[@globe24h86]

To be fair you don't need to own one to understand how a sextant and celestial navigation work. The key word here is understand.

[@hartmutholzgraefe]

@@globe24h86 but on the other hand when you are trying to actually use one (on camera) it becomes obvious very auickly if you actually know what you are doing, or not at all ;)

[@0LoneTech]

@@hartmutholzgraefe Only to someone with a vague idea of how an instrument is used. Remember flerfs will be judging based on two criteria: 1) seems confident (usually conflated with loud and obstinate), and 2) says "the establishment" is lying. Results or reasoning don't even enter into it.

[@pdxdragon7479]

Have you tried reaching out to that Dutch pilot who's been grounded for her commitment to flat Earth? I'd love to be a fly on the wall for that conversation.

[@Trevor_Austin]

Lydia Ouwersloot is as bonkers as every other flat Earther but has a bigger income. Fortunately she will never fly again as she is medically (mentally) unfit. Her presentations show how little she knows about the form of the Earth, how gyroscopes work in general and specifically in the aircraft she flew. She only has use as a target for “point and laugh”. The criminal thing is she is still getting paid as a “pilot” due to agreements between KLM and the Dutch pilots’ union, the VNV. Her entry to the world of conspiracy was due to her son being diagnosed with autism after receiving his MMR shot. She put 2 and 2 together and came up with ‘Bullfrog’ as the answer and went downhill from there.

[@sophierobinson2738]

Trevor Austin Shame. Those people who pushed that mess about vaccines and autism should have been drawn and quartered. Bad enough that your child has such a challenge, then to fall into a conspiracy hole.

[@BlackburnBigdragon]

I don't know where they got this new thing with the misunderstanding of the sextant is. It's their new "Go-to argument". Who started the spreading of THIS one? And you're not going to get any entries, just like you didn't get any entries to your last contest.

[@Kestrel626]

I think it was one of Oakley's crew that spent about 6 months studying how it worked, after all that time he still didn't really know how to use one properly & declared it to be a globe earth killer.

[@speedy_brennan]

My first thought was it's impossible for them to calculate that without the math for a globe Earth and they don't even know it. Because its designed to work on a globe Earth.

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

I can hear it now, "Okay guys, let's collect this money. Step one, someone go get our map. Oh yea. Darn."

[@hartmutholzgraefe]

Would the failure at step #1 be that none of them actually seems to be in possession of a real sextant?

[@Cornwall1888]

If I was lost at sea with bob, Wally, Wolfie and mr sensible I know we’d have a location very quickly, QE, Brian, Nathan and Mitchell would be lost forever. I’d even let the flerfs use the globe method which actually works, they still wouldn’t have a clue

[@Sherwoody]

If you were in the flerf boat, jumping overboard would get you home quicker.

[@tjjones621]

The key is to not let the flerfs know... :)

[@colinellicott9737]

The story of the 'Essex' comes to mind with all those FLERF's at sea, so many parallels ;)

[@Justwantahover]

Absolutely LOVE IT when these loonies are also offering a prize for debunking them. They WILL be debunked and my bet is that they won't cough up and they will just come back with more excuses.

[@Wolfie6020]

I have answered two 1 Million dollar challenges and another $100,000 challenge. Not one of them paid. The first deleted the comments and blocked me The second deleted his comments and disappeared forever Flat Out Hero just kept moving the goal posts, finally admitting I had done it but didn't pay anyway.

[@volcanoimage]

@@Wolfie6020 I heard around that Flat Out Hero is a Poe

[@meeborggp9055]

Reminds me of the countless discussions I had with them about the nautical gyro compass. Flatearthers "debunking" working technology, you don't know if you should laugh about them or worry about mankind.

[@jonneexplorer]

Wokfie, I love how clearly Emma loves the science as much as you do. I had a question if you had any idea how to encourage more kids of around that age. I am a scout leader and I would love to do something with astronomy with them. These kids are 5 and 6 so it would have to be somewhat simple. We also cannot do one on one as you do with emma naturally, but any input you have would be appreciated.

[@Wolfie6020]

Hi Jonne, I think it helps that she literally grew up crawling around my telescopes and watching me work on drones, charging batteries and tweaking. She would sit there watching everything. I would let her touch the controllers and the eyepieces and she never felt like anything was "off limits" We make everything a fun game. Like learning the planets. Emma can find Jupiter by herself in the sky and from there knows Saturn also. Perhaps that is a great way to start with your kids. Maybe try to show the scale of the Solar System with a basketball and a few marbles. If you have access to a telescope looking at Saturn for the first time is something most people never forget. I remember Dad waking me up when I was young to excitedly show me Saturn through his telescope. I still see that image in my mind to this day. We never push her if she gets bored and has had enough for the day. I guess every child is different but an occasional reward helps. I told Emma when she got all the planets right three days in a row she would get.a pink donut so that was motivation enough. I could hear her practicing in her room at night.

[@sleepingwarrior4618]

This isn't science Jonne. It's astronomy based observation. There is no valid science that can be done with a sextant as there isn't anything valid with telescopes. To think it is is merely pseudoscience I'm afraid.

[@wkjacobs3893]

@@sleepingwarrior4618 So you accept the challenge?

[@paulv2479]

@@sleepingwarrior4618 - says a flat earther! Hilarious. I expect the irony is lost on you sleepy. Thanks for the laughs as always.

[@mittelwelle_531_khz]

@@paulv2479 So we already can check the "deflection" box on Wolfie's little bingo sheet of predictions. I think "insults" will follow next.

[@reidflemingworldstoughestm1394]

Flerfs have found something that fits their narrative better than applying the logic: applying the fallacy.

[@questex4340]

So Wolfie. What are you going to buy Emma with the USD500 that will not be won by by FE (I love condition 5 :-)

[@maldaley235]

I've said this on several posted videos, instead of them finding their location with a sextant, take them out to the outback and get them to find their way to safety.

[@sophierobinson2738]

Same. In case there's no outback. a Kansas wheat field would probably do as well.

[@maldaley235]

@@sophierobinson2738 Either way, we all know what the outcome will be.

[@Kualinar]

The crickets will die from boredom before any flatard could provide any actual result.

[@Mandelbrot_Set]

It is clear that you are begging the question, Wolfie. That is why flat earthers cannot find their location. They say that about everything.

[@Cyber_Cowboy]

I was about to identify as a flat earther for the extent of this contest. Right up until you said no globe tools. But all you flatters good luck with that 👍😜

[@dogwalker666]

@Q Branch that's the killer question.

[@dogwalker666]

I was thinking I can do that right up till the no globe tools part 😥

[@ReinoGoo]

@Q Branch Or for two flat surfaces at an angle.

[@Kromaatikse]

I think some of us should try it anyway, *specifically* ignoring Rule 5, just to show flerfers how it's done, and why their excuses don't hold water any better than a flat disc does.

[@theturtlemoves3014]

You are not thinking like a flerfer... you simply use the tools anyway, and then claim that they are really flat earth tools that have been misappropriated by the globe side

[@naturalphilosophy9649]

I can't believe you are still doing this. 😌 Haven't checked in for a couple of years.

[@Wolfie6020]

Only occasionally now. Just for a bit of fun. Flat Earth is dying regardless of what I do.

[@yottaforce]

I'll raise with another 500 USD

[@Alysm-Aviation]

So we're up to 2k.

[@Alysm-Aviation]

2.5 with Q Branch.

[@OzFPVflyer]

You'll be part of history (KZbin flat earth debunked forever) if someone try's and fails by following the rules, would instantly prove a sextant cant work on a flat earth and shows it can only be a globe. Well done.

[@ReValveiT_01]

@@DrEMichaelJones We call them 'tangents', and they've worked just fine for several centuries, thanks. Good luck with getting the sextant to work in the Flatopian Pet-pen. Rooting for you!

[@sendintheclowns7305]

I'll match the $500 AND reimburse the winning flerf *DOUBLE* what they paid for the sextant they purchased for the challenge. This way they can't whine about having to buy one as we all know that none of them have even been in the same room as a sextant.

[@SirJohn1406]

Isn’t a sextant kind of a Globe tool itself? :)

[@davidkeller6156]

I predict Emma will be debating flat earthers and winning when she’s six.

[@billob4285]

Wolfie6020 you should have made this challenge a little harder, have FE use only a protractor, drinking straw and a weight. (evil) lol

[@misterocain]

A couple of points. 1. They're so called Black Swan clearly demonstrated tat they do not understand Modus Tollens. 2. Re step #3, wouldn't they need a map for that?

[@awatt]

I agree. However much I look at that picture I can't see a swan, black or otherwise.

[@misterocain]

@@awatt Not only can you not see a swan but also you can't see a level or even flat sea. Strange how flerfs don't notice that. As for your other question please direct all enquiries to a chap called Sting.

[@c.augustin]

They only need a map if they try to "translate" the position calculations into a location on the map - I thought the numbers itself would be fine? But right, to show the position on a map, they would need one! They might not even know what the numbers of a geolocation actually mean …

[@Sherwoody]

@@awatt it’s actually a white swan. The oil rigs are leaking and the swans are merely dirty.

[@DAllan-lz3lg]

The deafening silence of FE non-replies…. I’d like to see the angry swearing Scotsman with his basket ball deal with this one. Great video, as always Wolfe.

[@petergaskin1811]

A very well thought out challenge. Not a loop-hole in sight. Waiting...

[@VHMMP]

My old CPL Navigation instructor was a navigator with Qantas back when they used a sextant on board for long distance navigation. I wonder what the flerfs would say about sextants being used on aircraft? (Wolfie you may even know him - Len Sales.)

[@Wolfie6020]

I know Len, Was that at Sydney TAFE? I had Pat Watson for my ATPL Flight planning and years later flew the citations with him with the Police.

[@VHMMP]

@@Wolfie6020 yes that was at Sydney TAFE in the Broadway 1984. And Pat Watson for ATPL. I was a director at Schoies when Pat was the CFI and we got on famously. He liked my Queenair. I have a sextant and really should learn how to use it.

[@Wolfie6020]

@@VHMMP I was there at Broadway for the last term of 83 for my CPL theory and then over at BrookVale first term 84 for the SCPL. I did skip class once to watch the "Right Stuff" at Hoyts on George St.

[@VHMMP]

@@Wolfie6020 I was exactly a year after you. Second half of 84 at Broadway and started SCPL in first half 85 but then first half 88 at Brookvale with Bill to finish off my SCPL. Then off to ATC training beginning 89.

[@Sherwoody]

I’ve been in an old Lancaster bomber that has a dome specifically for celestial navigation.

[@pentallica893]

They don't need to prove what they say is true. To them the burden is on us to show them evidence they'll accept that proves they're wrong. Good luck with that.

[@M2M-matt]

Let's see what Mitch does with this.

[@Alysm-Aviation]

One month later. Any entries yet?

[@AztroNut66]

I will be shocked if a flat earther manages to plot 3 LOP's (oops, hope I didn't give too much away :0)

[@tussk.]

So easy a child can use it. Not an adult though, apparently.

[@phillipkidd762]

What makes you think there is anything adult about flerfs?

[@tussk.]

@@phillipkidd762 the fact that 99% of them are welfare claimants.

[@onerimeuse]

Strange comment, but your soft panning on the equatorial mount was so nice and subtle. Just a casual observation from someone learning to make videos.

[@SyntheToonz]

I'm waiting for them to insult the intelligence of sextants for not doing what was demanded of it.

[@Slave1969]

Ahhh love your sense of humour Wolfie. Great vid and laugh. Go on Mitchel, show us how its done, on a flat earth that is!

[@STEMforlife1776]

Here’s the problem. None of them actually owns a sextant.

[@Wolfie6020]

That speaks volumes in itself.

[@_bodgie]

I predict there will be a lot of silence.

[@judybassett9390]

Point 1 will eliminate almost all flat earth challengers. If someone does obtain one, I hope they understand the filters before sighting at the sun.

[@OzFPVflyer]

Im heading over to Mitchells channel with my popcorn and read all the comments from his followers begging Mitchell to show Wolfie up by proving the sextant is the number one flat earth proof and do this challenge. After all, he's convinced them he knows exactly how a sextant works and that it can only work on a flat earth, you know... triangles and stuff.

[@Forest_Fifer]

He's gonna need H for that

[@Sherwoody]

@@Forest_Fifer more like Preparation H

[@MaryAnnNytowl]

So, did they all pick up the sextant idea when Bob the Science Guy/ResearchFlatMoon (Dr. Bob!) started talking about and explaining the use of the sextant a couple of months ago? It seems like a remarkably similar time period between the two, to me.

[@Wolfie6020]

Yes I believe Bob's video was the catalyst to their sudden interest.

[@fepeerreview3150]

1:0 Yup, I've been wondering WHEN one of them is actually going to show us a video of themselves using one, taking a measurement, and then calculating their position based on it. Dr. Bob did it many months ago, using 2 different sextants and getting his position within a few miles. As the saying goes in the USA, put up or shut up. I'm not sure if that translates into Aussie-speak. Also, isn't a sextant just a tool for measuring an angle? Couldn't you use any appropriate angle measuring tool to make the same measurement, consultant with the Almanac and get the same result?

[@bobsurface908]

But then you'd have to find a way to convert it to coordinates...which is impossible on a flat earth. Primarily of course because the coordinates themselves are projections on a globe. Of course, a MANLY Flerfer would not only find their position without using globe tools/calcs... They'd navigate with one blind on a boat. I'd pay good money for a flerfer to attempt a 500 to 1000 mile trip - or just any two destinations a couple hundred miles apart if in the Mediterranean, as long as they navigate without any visual cues. Hell, I'd help them dive for their belongings on the boat afterwards, if they like.

[@ReinoGoo]

@Bob Surface The coordinates is the zenith angles on the globe. You use the horizon to get the zenith angle on the horizon, so you can measure the angle from that.

[@groundhoglife]

Oh but the flat earthers have their trusty P900 cameras to prove you wrong 🙈🤣

[@Sherwoody]

Funny thing is most can’t even focus one.

[@groundhoglife]

@@Sherwoody haha like when they show an out of focus star and claim it’s in the dome 🙈😂

[@rayp6410]

supplied by you're sponsor haha,love it

[@requiem4adream87]

Mike Jones has filled a comment thread with 500 comments that all show he is too afraid and unable to complete Wolfie's Challenge. He probably won't even comment to this post because he is too afraid.

[@ReValveiT_01]

He's wounded right now. Give him time :)

[@Mandelbrot_Set]

Ask him what the equator is. He has no clue.

[@osci08]

Yep, throughout that thread, The predictions were 100% proven. Deflection lying nu-uh ec, ect.

[@ReValveiT_01]

@@osci08 Just another flerf bursting with bluster and bullshit.

[@ReValveiT_01]

Mike is now desperately deleting his own comments so he can squeeze in the last word! What an immature little bellend.

[@khalid_ba]

It is amazing that the sextant and oceanic navigation with it were built on a foundation of a spheric earth, with one nautical mile being 1 arc minute on its surface (~1800 meters?). Until fairly recently, all navy officers and merchant marines studied this in details, and many books were written to teach the technique. Yet we now have idiots dismissing this centuries old knowledge ...

[@Wolfie6020]

Their claims are comical. I don't waste time playing their word games. I ask for results. They never deliver which renders anything they say on the topic worthless.

[@khalid_ba]

@@Wolfie6020 Another thing is the lunar eclipse a week ago. How does that work in their model?

[@RichWoods23]

@@khalid_ba In their model, God plonks his big hairy arse on the sky and wriggles.

[@khalid_ba]

@Q Branch The more important question is : if the model that most flatearthers think is right has the moon rotate below the sun to account for solar eclipses, how does that model account for a lunar eclipse when the moon is ALWAYS between the earth and the sun? Some of them claim 'invisible celestial bodies' cause it. Yeah, right ... How much has humanity regressed ..

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

@@khalid_ba The problem with your question is to assume they have any interest in finding the truth. It's not about creating a working model. It's about trying to discredit the one we have. That's part of the con. You can't have it end, so you must never attempt to actually resolve anything. Sad thing is, the suckers who feed them money agree. They don't want the trip to end either because then they won't feel special.

[@timgargac2766]

I would love to even see this attempted live.

[@cmbrown3817]

This is a poe detector. Mitchel might try though, not knowing point 5 protects Wolfie's $500 better than the bank.

[@Sherwoody]

Mitch doesn’t have two nickels to rub together to buy one. I’m suspicious he shoots his videos at the beach for the public wifi.

[@sthurston2]

Sextants on a flat Earth use what exactly? I haven't seen a good explanation. The horizon rises to eye level so will they ignore the dip angle correction? What about correction for refraction of the sight line to the object? Will they ignore refraction for a flat Earth? Will they use the GP tables from the Nautical Almanac? What about correcting for exact time of observation? Do the Moon, Planets, Sun and other stars really rotate at a steady 15 degrees per hour? How about that Zenith angle times 60 Nautical Miles business. Will that be ignored as well as it makes a mockery of perspective and triangles? From what I've seen Mitchell from Australia come out with it appears to be: 1. Take the angle between the star and the horizon; 2. Calculate angle at object by subtracting the altitude from 90; 3. Get your distance from the star's GP by multplying the angle at the object by 60 Nautical Miles. I didn't spot any mention of using the correction tables but he has to be using the Nautical Almanac, 15 degrees per hour & an accurate watch to get the GP surely? Is that allowable or does that count as stipulating the globe already? After all Zenith angle times 60 Nautical Miles gives you the R value.

[@brainlessspudlogic4875]

Bit of a catch 22, if you use the current nautical almanac you admit the Earth is a sphere..

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

Plus they're going to need a map.

[@osci08]

@@NinjaMonkeyPrime Plus they're going to need 'C' & 'H' for what ever almanac they may use.

[@Sheesha87]

Great challenge! We all know it will never be claimed. I haven't even seen a sextant in any flerfs possession.

[@doranku]

Wolfie's mansion necessitates a sextant for navigation between rooms!

[@problemchild1976]

It’s their latest catchphrase If the black swan was any good they’d have just continued to use that. At least we get a break from the “sphere edge horizon no R”

[@marvinmartinsYT]

I asked Mitch to use the sextant to go somewhere. Now blocked lol.

[@Wolfie6020]

No surprise there. He blocks when you corner him.

[@marvinmartinsYT]

@@Wolfie6020 I didn’t even get a second comment in. Blocked in minutes.

[@Mandelbrot_Set]

Then he whines about how the globers won't come over to play.

[@parajacks4]

There are no flat earth ocean navigators.

[@therealzilch]

You're forgetting all the armchair navigators.

[@AuditingTheAbsurd]

Hey Wolfie, just wondering if you are still happy to raise awareness of the service dogs video? I think were are close to 80k subs who have helped out and Conspiracy Catz is working on a unique video for his audience on top.

[@LocalMaple]

3:52 Wait. So if the Sextant is a tool for a globe…

[@slysparkane808]

I'll put another $300 on it..

[@Kestrel626]

I notice good old Phuket word is now a celestial navigation expert. Anyone not blocked by him should make him aware there's a challenge out there for master navigators.

[@osci08]

I just left a comment on that video pointing out he's going to need to 'H' of the sun to calculate distance if he uses the sun, lets see how long it lasts.

[@Kestrel626]

@@osci08 He blocked me years ago for very politely correcting him on the theory of flight.

[@Wolfie6020]

I actually offered it to him personally first before making this video. He is too afraid to even respond these days.

[@Kestrel626]

@@Wolfie6020 I had almost forgotten about him & went to his channel to see if he was still active.

[@Danikar]

Nick reminds me a lot of Lennie from Of Mice and Men. He seems like a genuinely nice man, especially compared to a lot of other flat earthers, but lacks the cognitive ability to understand a lot of simple concepts.

[@Mikes1800]

I copied word for word your challenge and posted it to the comments on his video. It lasted there about 30 seconds before deletion.

[@Wolfie6020]

Thanks, that confirms he knows he can't do it. Poor Mitchell. We just took his favourite toy away.

[@Wolfie6020]

@Q Branch The amazing part is he doesn't realise what message it sends by deleting comments. He must live a very sheltered life.

[@Wolfie6020]

@Q Branch Oh nice. the AZ-GTi is such a neat mount. Have you downloaded the satellite tracking software from the Skywatcher site? They just updated it but removed the custom Previsat program embedded. I have a copy if you ever need it.

[@Wolfie6020]

@Q Branch On this page I use this firmware. skywatcher.com/download/software/motor-control-firmware/ Firmware: AZGTi Mount, Right Arm, AZ/EQ Dual Mode, Version 3.37 Here is the satellite tracker (last item on this page). Pretty useless without Previsat so I don't know why they removed it - perhaps temporarily skywatcher.com/download/software/motor-control-firmware/

[@Wolfie6020]

@Q Branch Fabulous. It will be great.

[@Wolfie6020]

So there have been a number of offers to add to the prize for this challenge. The amount is now over $4000. So far all I see are excuses, insults and deflections... as predicted. What are you waiting for Flat Earthers?

[@Wolfie6020]

@Q Branch Exactly, Year after year the average Flat Earther learns nothing. Meanwhile the debunkers have identified the common weaknesses in Flat Earthers and can checkmate them easily.

[@Wolfie6020]

@@jasonmatthers4911 So still hiding behind excuses? We all know you can't do it. If you could your method would be worth more than any prize money offered here.

[@Kestrel626]

@@Wolfie6020 you should phone Mitchell just to make sure he knows there's some easy money available to a flat earth sextant expert. They have this globe earth killer but not one of them has a video using a sextant & demonstrating their proof of a flat earth.

[@ReValveiT_01]

Amazing how prediction works so well on the globe, isn't it?

[@ReValveiT_01]

@@Wolfie6020 Jason Matthers is 'navigate48' , a banned member from this channel.

[@John.0z]

A perfect challenge Wolfie. I am expecting a lot of hot air, and no success.

[@heatshield]

gmorning, sir and tiny genius.