Flex Wheeler On His Rivalry With Dorian Yates!

[@dewayneknight3211]

Props to Flex for recognizing the politics and not hating the player...

[@TheGreat-or3hp]

Its all about politics its a popularity contest

[@fightermma]

Yeah the racism was sickening but glad Flex recognised it.

[@rutheshelman2483]

Lol. I think flex imo had one of the best physiques and shape to ever get on stage. That being said Dorian wipes the floor standing next to him. He's lit. More muscular and better conditioned. Dorian from the back esp kills flex. Idk wth ur talking about

[@rutheshelman2483]

A hurt Dorian would still beat flex... Lol

[@breaks3085]

@@rutheshelman2483 NEVER flex murders dorian hes too aesthetic with better shape,

[@stephenthomas185]

Shawn was the only one that didn't like Dorian , Kevin got along well with Dorian to the point Dorian was giving him advice on back exercises..

[@memoresto3480]

Shawn didn’t like anyone.........PHD in whinging

[@Flexb123]

Hard to believe, Dorian was arrogant. Levrone was arrogant. Cormier got along with just about everyone so long they didn't know he was banging their girl.

[@mixalis6168]

Nobody liked Shawn !!

[@MarkMetternichPhotographyLLC]

Shawn and Dorian became good friends afterword. They were Warriors warring against each other.

[@bradclemm7308]

Shawn had a great physique....but he was a total asshole!!

[@hugster2000]

A perfect score doesn't mean you're perfect, it means all 5 judges put you in first place.

[@sigurdh.s8320]

Kort Latimore No

[@sigurdh.s8320]

Kort Latimore Ok, sorry. You’re right and the rest of the world is wrong

[@hugster2000]

Kort Latimore do more research then.

[@sigurdh.s8320]

Kort Latimore Ignorance is bliss😘

[@timjones7336]

Kort Latimore bro, just do yourself a favour and check. Go look at the IFBB’s website. Each judge ranks the competitors from 1 to x, and the total of all scores are added together. The lowest score wins.. “Perfect score” just means each judge ranked Dorian 1st

[@sharkman766]

That has got to be the most uncomfortable couch to hold an interview on, the poor guy looks like he's stuck on a lateral delt machine the whole time!

[@cdjxman]

Ha!

[@gullybop1695]

Haaaaaaaaa LOL!!

[@buck8ab]

LOL

[@deancrisp3596]

😂😂👍

[@andykader]

🤣🤣

[@alessandrobarile4130]

I disagree with Flex. Dorian was really a great poser despite the fact that he was more massive than guys like Shawn or Flex

[@firefx99]

No...there were other guys who were WAY better posers than Dorian and Flex was one of them. Also he is VERY on point.about the scoring....how in the hell does a cat get perfect scores...with damaged body parts? They were clearly altering the judging guidelines when Dorian got on that stage, Ole Dorian is going around saying Flex never beat him bcasue he didn;t WORk hard enough..and didn;t have a wining spirit. LOL A real Crock of S**T

[@johnlux6905]

Flex's genuine, open demeanor is inspiring. The man has been through some real sh!t and serious pain. I wish him all the happiness and success with the rest of his life. What a good soul. Flex, thank you for being you.

[@skullduggery3377]

yates' looked his best in 93'. there was no way wheeler or anyone else was even close.

[@stacyrowe2883]

He dwarfed Flex.

[@KainSwiss]

I couldn't agree more. Dorian's best look was 93' even 92 he looked great. Flex Wheeler was not at his best look in 93 but was still awesome to place 2nd.

[@jldp24]

Flex lost from the back in the legs..in 93.

[@mxz2024]

i dont like dorians structure. dorain by himself said thath flex on 100% woudl destroy him. but flex didnt train as hard as dorian. he didnt need to since he got that great structure

[@tonymontana9799]

I know I think he made that bit up 100% flex has a big head he's just acting

[@djpickleballplayer]

If Flex has the work ethic that Dorian had, he would be a multi-time Mr. Olympia.

[@MarkMetternichPhotographyLLC]

Yes!

[@SDA0271]

Kevin Levrone was well known to take several months off from training, then start back up 5-6 months before the Olympia. Imagine if he had trained all year round. He was big, but could have been bigger and better.

[@fireonshakedwnstreet]

That's exactly right!

[@BigMp5150]

David Jerome funny how I know Kenny but none of you,so how the fuck do you and the other three fan boys know Firsthand anything about his work ethic,you hear shit and believe it then recycle it like gossip girls,grow the fuck up

[@Yuneeqz]

M Petties lol stfu you’re full of shit

[@jhgosnell]

Doubt there was any racism....Haney won 8 in a row right before. Arnold beat Sergio due to lower bodyfat and overall size. Sergio won 3 in a row before Arnold.

[@preservationwealthmanageme3184]

@TheLusianPopa Arnold's arms looked better than Sergio's. His biceps peaks were much better. Triceps were about even. Arnold's chest looked better than Sergio's (as you pointed out). Arnold was in better condition than Sergio. Arnold's legs had much more separation than Sergio's had. Arnold was overall the superior bodybuilder.

[@preservationwealthmanageme3184]

@TheLusianPopa Sergio had no separation in any muscle group. I've never heard the lame excuse that he never flexed his legs. That is just beyond laughable. He had big arms, football biceps with no peak, a small waist with wide lats. His calves were average at best. Sergio's chest couldn't compare. His back, while thick had no detail nor did his legs, and who really judges a bodybuilding competition on forearms? Arnold had a better presentation, more charisma and always came in better condition than Sergio. After Arnold lost the first time, he improved to the point where he never lost to Sergio again. Again, proving Arnold was the better bodybuilder. Or, maybe Arnold won because Sergio didn't flex his legs...LMAO.

[@preservationwealthmanageme3184]

@TheLusianPopa I'm not a punk and I'm definitely not a kid, Sergio fanboy. Your arguments are old and worn out. Sergio worked a full time job? So did Ronnie Coleman. Argument debunked. Arnold was a business partner of Weider? No he wasn't. he was under contract with Weider and was paid a stipend to live on and to make himself available for magazine shoots. Franco was paid too. Argument debunked. Forearms are half the arms? Tell Flex Wheeler how important forearms are as his always sucked compared to the rest of his arms. Didn't hamper him did it? Least Priest had probably the best forearms ever in bodybuilding. Great bodybuilder but never won an Arnold Classic or an Olympia title. Argument debunked. Arnold may have been nervous on stage but you would never have known it. He had ten times the charisma of Sergio, who could barely even speak English, and he had ten times Sergio's intelligence. as evidence of him studying Sergio's weaknesses and capitalizing on them. Argument debunked royally. Blaming too much baby oil for looking smooth? Really? Was this Sergio's first rodeo? Stupid argument and debunked easily. Sergio's quads were not better than Arnold's. They were larger because Arnold was much taller. Arnold quads were more cut and the separation was not even close. Arnold's calves destroyed Sergio's calves. Argument debunked. Ask anyone who's objective and not a fanboy of either bodybuilder who had the better chest and most if not all will choose Arnold's. This isn't even debatable. Argument debunked. Arnold won 7 Olympias and Sergio won 3, not because of Weider, but because Arnold was the better overall bodybuilder. Arnold put bodybuilding and fitness on the map and in front the collective minds of the world. Nobody outside of bodybuilding even knew who Sergio Oliva was. Argument DEBUNKED. Time to turn in you Sergio Oliva fan club membership card. He was a great bodybuilder but he was not greater than the second best bodybuilder of all time, who happens to be Arnold.

[@preservationwealthmanageme3184]

@TheLusianPopa John Hansen is not the god of bodybuilding history. Sergio also worked as a cop in Chicago, genius. You're the one who brought up forearms and said "forearms are half the arm, son" Remember that stupid ass comment? Now you're trying to backpedal. A smart competitor studies the weaknesses of his completion and capitalizes on it. If Sergio didn't fix his weaknesses (which you say was just too much oil, LMAO) than he was idiot. Arnold wasn't and Arnold beat him after learning from his first and only loss to him. "Arnold wouldn't have won one Olympia in the 90's? Maybe. This is a straw man argument. You're only as good as your competition and Arnold crushed his. Sergio wouldn't have earned his pro card in any decade after the 1960's. Arnold's legs were better than Sergio's when you look at the whole leg including calves, which are part of the legs "son". "Arnold's calves were only good from the rear?" That is so stupid it doesn't even warrant a response. Arnold beats Sergio in the front double biceps, the mantis pose. the there-quarte twisting back pose, the side chest, and the back double biceps pose. Sergio beats Arnold in the front and back lat spread and the victory pose only. The most muscular is a toss up Imo. Sergio was nothing more than an undersized and less conditioned Big Ramy. Sorry fanboy. Time to take the Sergio posters down from your wall. Many who have come since his time have surpassed him in every way. FACTS!

[@preservationwealthmanageme3184]

@TheLusianPopa You're still babbling and rambling on about Sergio. What joke. Arnold was taller, bigger, had more control of his muscles on stage and hit shots that accentuated his strong points. The mantis pose, btw may not have been mandatory but so what? There were many poses that bodybuilders hit that weren't mandatory. Mentor hit this pose often, as did Boyer Coe. If Arnold lacked so much size in the lower body, why did he beat Sergio and everyone else and earn himself 7 Sandows? I'll tell you why...because he was the best bodybuilder of his era. Sergio wasn't after his loss to Arnold. Zane worked as a teacher during his competitive days and most of the other competitors also had full time jobs. Arnold kills Sergio in the front double biceps pose. He towered over him and his arms with those peaks were much more impressive than Sergio's long, football shaped biceps. "Arnold's calves were only better from the rear", you say? Last time I checked, from the rear is how they are flexed and judged. (one of you more moronic comments) Finally, to say Arnold was rendered "obsolete" is on par with you calves comment. Oh sorry...one more... ...saying anyone can diet and learn to pose properly, exposes you as someone who doesn't know or follow bodybuilding. This statement is not true. Not everyone can do both effectively. I could name a TON of bodybuilders who could not attain both conditioning nor grasp the nuances of proper posing.

[@AndrewStephens121]

He just said why he lost ''I didnt think I was going to win'' ''I was just happy to be there''

[@firefx99]

No...he just SAID...the judges gave Dorian perfect scores and his body was damaged. A LOT of those men complained about the discrepancies in the judging. You don;t go on that stage LOOKING like Flex did...come in second place and NOT deserve it. Utter bullshit

[@AuthenticSelfGrowth]

It sounds like he had/has self-esteem issues. If we had truly believed himself he would have won multiple Mr.Olympias. His talent was never in question

[@firefx99]

He came in 2nd place...and was placing in the sop of a LOT of those shows...Self esteem was clearly not a problem. He ALSO just reminded the interviewer...Doprian was given perfect scores even after he came in with a TORN bicep. LOL. That Bicep was clearly not in proportion with the other..some folks seemed to be okay PRETENDING they didn;t see it.

[@wheelerking8380]

When you hear Flex, Kevin, etc use the words "I can feel this guys presence next to me".....you know the Shadow was no joke

[@haraldblatand5362]

Yet somehow he sucked and was only winning because of politics according to the internet fanboys. 🙄

[@prithvirajmandora1448]

Shadow’s work ethic was unshakable

[@firefx99]

He wasn;t a joke but he had a lot of mass

[@timjones7336]

Dorian was a great poser - and acknowledged as such. Strong, powerful and demonstrated his physique extremely well. I think Flex is a bit delusional

[@KainSwiss]

When Dorian flexed things happened. He knew how to work his best poses. He had that grainy look. But also that scary menacing way of posing, almost like a Gladiator. Hell even the music got people pumped!

[@scottlosey4978]

Dorian has said many times that an integral part of his pre contest prep was to dedicate a significant amount of time flexing which, he has said, paid huge dividends because the other competitors gas out during the poses that he was conditioned to do.....his knock was that he rarely smiled

[@adamganjaman2275]

Yeah he seems major butthurt and everyone knows being black makes your physique look better hence the tanning oil all the white people use Dorian was bigger and better flex still looked amazing tho

[@haraldblatand5362]

@@scottlosey4978 It is a damn good thing that didn't use the fake pageant smile like the rest of the fools

[@haraldblatand5362]

Dorian had great symmetry for the first 3 years

[@rectbosun]

Dorian, was light years ahead in 1993...There was no contest.

[@Flexb123]

Really? Dorian was huge but Flex looked a shitload better. Not sure how many people would look at that AND SAY they wanna look like Dorian over Flex in that show. And that does say something.

[@booty121212]

@@Flexb123 exactly I never cared for that look Dorian ruined the sport period

[@micahclark24]

well he sorta admits to it he has said he knew the judging criteria and based everything he did around that in order to win he knew if he was the biggest and most condition he would win regardless of if he looked good

[@DarthMahlgus]

@@booty121212 Ruined the sport? lmaoooooooooo. "Damnit Dorian! You made the judges judge you too good, now the sports ruined". -_- Blame the judges not Dorian. Dorian bodybuilt, the judges are the one who put him on the pedistal.

[@MarkMetternichPhotographyLLC]

Flex looked way better and likely should have won the show. Dorian was big but more bloated and less aesthetic.

[@stevenewer1]

Pff ..lets get this straight .. in 1993 Dorian took the sport to another level ......flex hit the max of the previous level . In 93 yates unbeatable . In 94 flex was in a car crash in 95 he placed 8th or 9th in 96 he placed 5th or 6th in 97 he was fighting ninjas after a car jackiing lol didnt compete. In 98 dorian had retired after 6 olympia wins and wheeler had one sniff only ...93 but got destroyed by yates

[@Flexb123]

say what you will, but the 99 Arnold's version of Flex would beat any Dorian version. 93, Flex was smaller rookie and was the only Olympia he peaked for. But As said by Arnold, Flex's physique at that 99 Arnold show was the best he ever saw on stage. But you are right, Yates took Bodybuilding to a new level, but also was where bodybuilding starting going wrong and physiques got away from the shape and aesthetics into a weird looking freak show. Also, now that I think about it, It was Haney in '91 that took it there, Dorian just carried it on into a new era.

[@stevenewer1]

@@Flexb123 Dorian retired in 97 undefeated . Im talking about reality and fact not supposed fantasy match ups ....after someone retired, being a 6 x mr O unbeaten

[@phoenixrisin2269]

Flexb123 Flex could never beat an in shape Dorian! From the back, night and day!

[@britishbeefbritishbeef8738]

Wow definitely not a bodybuilding fan then.. Completely wrong on all dates

[@stevenewer1]

@@britishbeefbritishbeef8738 Who cares if im a bodybuilding fan to you or not u mug ?? llolol and if im wrong correct me on every single date mr superfan

[@p.c.h.6721]

Flex had the best looking body that has ever been in bodybuilding, just perfect balance, beautiful lines and a great personality.

[@lh9140]

Dorian never had to worry abt flex.

[@mikevaldez7684]

@William Leonard and monster size with great proportions

[@scarface7142]

William Leonard very true

[@dripllc5088]

That's his point. No matter how good he was, Yates had no need to worry. Didn't matter

[@WZ912]

RIGGED JUDGING.....like Arnold 1980

[@dj_m19]

@@WZ912 you people are something lmao. Delusional as they come. Flex was good 1 time, 1 event, 1 year when Yates ruled the sport and that was 1993 when Yates was at his absolute best. He destroyed Flex that year and nobody, and I mean NOBODY argues that Flex should've won in 1993. in 1994 he had a car accident, in 1995 he placed 8th, in 1996 he placed 4th and in 1997 he was fighting ninjas on the street so he couldn't compete. By 1998 Yates had retired. Where's the rigged judging? based on 1 competition? lol. As I've said, DELUSIONAL.

[@justinmorgan1306]

It's interesting for me to see that I share the same insecurities with my favorite bodybuilder of all time.

[@Maekiii]

Flex don't seem to know how the judging is done. 5 is the perfect score which means that all 5 judges put him at first place. 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 5. So you can have an injury but still get a perfect score if the judges see you as number one.

[@Flexb123]

No but he makes perfect sense. Dorian couldn't pose like Shawn or Flex. Not even close, no way he should have been even in top 5 with posing. Same with symmetry esp with a torn bicep. How do you get first in symmetry round when one arm is noticeably different than the other.

[@ScouserLegend]

@@Flexb123 Dorian actually explains why he won on JRE, he knows his weaknesses and maximizes his strength which was his back and conditioning

[@sigurdh.s8320]

ScouserLegend Watched the podcast myself. It’s nonsense, and Dorian is one of my favorite bodybuilders. He got destroyed in 1997, but still won

[@dj_m19]

@@Flexb123 Ronnie was the worst poser of anyone on stage year after year yet he kept destroying them because he was so ahead in physique development that it didn't matter. Yates was a much better poser than you give him credit for and his physique destroyed Flex's, Shawn's, Levrone's. No amount of good posing is gonna fix your physique.

[@genepitts4665]

I saw Flex in Okinawa at our base he was so massive. It is so hard to imagine him being the same size as me graduating from highschool. Now he makes me feel like a 200 lb baby. He is a big cool fella

[@charlescowan6121]

Flex is a humble down to earth guy, that's awesome! There's so much hate and trash talking anymore.

[@jcm730]

Time and wisdom has made Flex a gracious man

[@thadonis.]

Um, I think he may be playing that card here. Has he even heard of Lee Haney? The guy who won 8 in a row before Dorian. Or Coleman? Who won 8 in a row after.

[@supremeamine2382]

@hehe cutlers stomach was usually pretty flat he was in great shape

[@firefx99]

Playing WHAT card? Robby Robinson was VERY outspoken about the racial issues in the sport AND with WEIDER.. They were there but just becasue these men still pressed forward doing what they loved dosn't mean it wasn't happening. It really surprises me. when people who do NOT experience this Phenomenon or MAGICAL CARD...call it a card. There is no card. You can;t TELL someone who is in it...they are playing. Whats the prize? Some more BS?

[@dripllc5088]

As humble as this guy is, people find a way to find fault. Amazing

[@EGF813]

Flex doesn't realize that judging is not based on a "perfect scores". They judge it by positions. If there are 7 judges, high and low are thrown out. the other five judges felt Dorian was first, therefore giving him a 1, 1 x 5= 5 points (per round) Whoever placed second would have been given 2 or 3 depending on the how the judges see that person. They see the number 1 as a perfect score when it's just the position they are in. I don't know how Flex Wheeler doesn't know this.

[@chardy7071]

The first time I saw Flex wheeler on the magazine, I was stunned. Balance proportion and just good amount of muscle.

[@colonelbuendias]

This guy seems to be one hell of a man to have a beer with.

[@soybean70]

There was no rivalry Just a beat down

[@anthonylodge7516]

hahahaha

[@WZ912]

@@anthonylodge7516 dick

[@WZ912]

rigged

[@seanscanlon9067]

4:04 as a Briton, it sounds so funny to me to hear someone use the word wanker in an American accent.

[@Ghoulies]

True. I wonder if he knows what it really means. Other than it being a British put-down / swear word.

[@davidgraham2673]

, Some words are just too good not to use. Wanker is one of them. Still sounds better when y'all say it though.

[@loco79PL]

@Ghoulies could you please explain this second meaning? You mean a person that masturbates? Im polish but Im really curious, I heard a lot Britishmen using that word so if you could explain, I would be greatful, take care man

[@belingonza318]

Flex was a class act. To bad about his accidents and his career. 2021

[@chris8534]

Gee he seems like a great guy. I think most people would kill to have a friend like that

[@Iceman-xe7jo]

Everyone talks down about Dorian onstage but when you actually see them lined up next to him you can see why he won. The muscle hardness, maturity, and density. Sure there were other guys more aesthetically pleasing but his overall package outshined everyone onstage.

[@praveenpande4786]

Totally agree, he was more than just a sum of his bodyparts.......a master of the mandatory poses And lest anyone forgets or thinks otherwise, a back development that is unrivaled till today, to beat Dorian onstage you had to literally display a better back development than him.

[@TheCho-k4m]

Sorry Flex but Dorian was clearly superior in those early battles. The later ones granted he had clear issues but everything else was absolutely monstrous. He should not have been getting all 5's on his last couple of wins but none of the other competitors were deserving of 5's either. It was very close and as you said, Dorian's presence probably carried him at the end.

[@alexreid4131]

This Scottish guy pre inter webs bought a VHS tape of the Olympia to see Flex get second to Yates. So awesome to actually be able to hear his perspective years later.

[@acerimmer7557]

Come on Flex and fellow fans. Let's not fall into the trap of race baiting. I'm white and Flex 93 is my favourite physique although there is no way he beat Dorian that year. As to racism in bodybuilding? What reason do we give for Haney ×8. Did racism make them place Coleman above Flex? 2001 Coleman over Cutler, really? But I'm not whining over it. The Olympia has been won 54 times since conception, 25 by a white man (if you class Bannout as white) and 29 by a black man. Agreed there have been some shockers in the judging over the years but not due to race. I love Flex and the sport but dont agree with this nor do the stats. Peace.

[@Flexb123]

There is a supposed fact that certain bodybuilding Mags sold a lot better with white men on them then black. Also why they used to throw females on them a lot. If Flex was white with that physique, he probably would have been more successful (sad as that is) ITs like boxing and the great white hope.

[@jgamez5023]

@Anton Hallergren I don't even address idiots with logic anymore, I just ignore them.....

[@adambennett1193]

@@Flexb123 oh bs, why do they put tan on then? flex should have put skin paling cream on

[@Flexb123]

@@adambennett1193 Cause a TAN shows definition better. Some of the lighter skin black dudes tan also BTW or use tanning creams. I used to know a lot of the top pro's mid to late 2000s and I think it was Darrem that told me tans before a show. Why some of them have a reddish look.

[@Iceman-xe7jo]

I’m white and I blame the black race for Haney and Ronnie beating Dorian and Cutler all those years. This is racism! 🤣

[@jackcaven9614]

"You've got great genetics" and he took that as a slur ... victims to the end !

[@shawnthegr8]

i bet he could make you a victim

[@ProtaJ]

Are you dumb?

[@timwalker-taylor6010]

That's really unfair. He prefaces that anecdote by saying "in my ignorance" and that it's "embarrassing" to admit he thought it was a slur. That's called humility in my book.

[@Bruss813]

Most can see it as a slight to their hard work. Basically saying its God given and you didnt do anything to deserve it.

[@petertaylor9432]

@@Bruss813 That applies to other sports a lot more than in bodybuilding. In professional bodybuilding (in which everyone is on steroids) talking about someone having good genetics typically refers to them having naturally good aesthetic skeletal structure and muscle insertions

[@detonator2112]

Flex was great in 1993 but there's no way in hell he "won that show". Just ridiculous. Dorian was absolutely unbeatable that year and even Coleman 1998 wasn't that good. Maybe Nasser should have won 1997 but all other Dorian's Sandow's are legit. All other claims are just sour grapes.

[@patrickblackwell777]

Dorian was an amazing poser actually. He was really good at showcasing his strengths and hiding his weaknesses. The only pose that really suffered from the biceps tear was the FDB. He was that good at hiding it otherwise. It wasn't until 97 that he really went to hell. No way he should have won that one.

[@nicholaschase768]

A lot of politics but Dorian had that Arnold mindset where he would own the stage. He walked around it quiet and calmly but you felt like he was the guy. It was his house. He gave off an energy of dominance while the other guys just looked like happy buff dudes. I don’t want to sound ignorant but after watching a few shows there’s certainly politics in play but the mind games were set in motion way before any of them got up there.

[@bobroberts7029]

@@breaks3085 you're seeing things that aren't there

[@JohnSmith-gr8jc]

The most honest

[@steeveclair8137]

you read M&F and Flex and you get a bias on these guys' personalities. Then when you meet them in real life, they are completely different. Met Flex at the Olympia years later when he was part of a supplement company. Super nice. Met Dorian (and Cormier) outside of Spearmint Rhino and he was funny! My one take away from a 6x Mr Olympia has nothing to do with his physique but his personality!!

[@ethanbrunt7755]

Flex wheeler: the best bodybuilding genetics ever.

[@HardbrasH1]

Its hard to be Wheeler, you know, to be a man who was late and not ready every time, but yeah, its life

[@Marc-vh6on]

Flex was the best bodybuilder ever and he is such nice person......all the best for him 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@jonathanhill8691]

flex using the term wanker is priceless

[@RiobDell-jb8tq]

Flex has got to be the best mr olympia that was never crowned , the last of the classics full stop

[@bblack2015ab]

Flex is a great and humble person.

[@connorclarke1218]

The level of disrespect Flex has here towards Dorian is dissapointing. Coleman and Ray feel the same way. I can’t help but chalk it down to them being jealous that they didn’t win. Dorian was so much bigger and with more condition, an excellent poser, with torn muscles that only really became a problem in 97’. How can you say Dorian from 92-96 doesn’t smoke anyone that’s ever competed. That was the peak of muscular development. Now we just see blown up soft muscle. Even Ronnie had soft muscle in 2003 but so many people call that the greatest physique 😂 Not even the pros know anything about their own sport.

[@dru713281]

Always have an audience vote as well.....perfect scores come from imperfect judges.

[@hannanaegeli8289]

I like Flex. Gentleman.

[@SummersSnaps]

Sergio was just being nice. No one thought Flex shoulda won '93, that was one of the most insane packages ever bought to the stage. But after the bicep injury, this highlighted a problem with the current judging criteria, it allowed someone to have a flaw and not be punished severely enough. There is no way he should be walking away with perfect scores because simply put his front double bicep was never gonna trump any of the guys with non bicep tears every again. It's not a front thigh, calves and lat flare pose, its a friggin' front double bicep pose. Not saying DY didn't deserve some of those Sandow's but I think 6 was too many, he prolly shoulda won about 4. They still have not fixed the judging mess, and here we see the 2023 Arnold Classic Nick Walker controversy loss as evidence. Whereas before DY was winning because of the mandatory poses (he wins the majority), now we have an athlete who clearly was winning the majority of the mandatories now not winning the competition overall.

[@BalHatase]

great syntholnetics with this one

[@mothersuperior7942]

They got so blinded to Dorian's mass they didn't care to notice the uneven biceps, which was a crime to Flex...who had perfect shape

[@BM-of6dg]

Fair play to flex... respect man

[@LENNY127]

Wow , very humble .... not that my opinion counts worth shit , but I always thought Flex had the best physique period of any bodybuilder ever . To carry that amount of muscle and have the lines to me is very much in a class of his own

[@paulkersey6283]

Dorian’s back won him the 97 Olympia....

nasser's back lost him the 97 Olympia* He was faring more than well until they turned around. Instant 0-2 for Nasser in the back poses

[@sergeylee4902]

I think the main misconception is that during posing round judges don't judge your posing. They judge your physique still. That's what Steve Weinberger said - one of the main judges. As the result now we have shittiest posing routines on stage. Thanks to the guys like Steve. Why should I put effort on posing routine if I can just have the greatest physique. I like Dorians spirit and determination. But I agree with Flex - Olympia is the perfect physique - so with thorn biceps or triceps you can't have perfect physique

[@abdouldmml]

For the front upper body I think he beats Yates but legs and back are where compertions are won and Yates had that down

[@michael2305]

Kinda makes me sad how some of these guys are portrayed by the media. When you listen to them in a real conversation talking about their true lives, they are really interesting individuals with very interesting stories After all we're all human I guess...

[@GM-fx2jo]

Always a big fan of this guy....would have been good if he could have won one Mr O.......great physique

[@infiniteflight9553]

I met Serg too! You were better than both dudes who beat you...

[@1catmilkdrinker]

Let me get this straight, Dorian who as known for having shit arms and perfect everything else tore his bicep and made it a fraction smaller so that cancels out the rest of his Olympian physique 😂😂😂

[@powerhouse5007]

I see what you did there fan boy!

[@haraldblatand5362]

@@powerhouse5007 What did he do?

[@haraldblatand5362]

Shit arms is a pretty hilariously inaccurate description. Yates doesn't have a peak on his bicep. That's it. It's hardly shit. His arms were good overall. Forearms and triceps were great looking.

[@bornready6436]

Long live the Late Great Flex Wheeler 🙏

[@Splitscreen83]

Completely disagree about the posing. Dorians posing was really strong. Not the silly shit the other guys did, like posing to an R&B love song.... 🙄

[@HofiAgilAghov]

Flex is a gentleman

[@longislandairgunner1600]

Flex could never put on the ripped heavy muscle. He was a lightweight up against Dorian.

[@covek4048]

I see people in the comments saying if Flex trained more often, if he was more disciplined he would’ve beaten Dorian. Listen, Flex was better as he was! He was better than Dorian and the mass monsters, he was better than Zane and the aestethics crowd, he was the best of all time! Even Arnold said Flex was the best he ever saw, period. Dorian and Ronnie took Mr. Olympia in a bad direction! I fully believe the best guys never won Mr. O because of Dorian. There must have been five other guys that should have won at least one.

[@harryhirsch8527]

a kind dude

[@bobHAYES21]

Sound like a great man

[@David.lovesU]

Nobody ever had cavs like Dorian

[@markheywood8236]

In 92 and 93 Dorian smoked em. Bigger. Grainier, Drier. More imposing. And he posed great. He may not have been graceful but his posing was dynamic and effective. Even in 94....he had just torn his bicep...but the rest of his physique was perfect. Same in 95. In 96 maybe Shawn Ray edged him, but it was real real close, couldnt call it a robbery. In. 97 he had a really bad injury which clearly derailed his prep, the fact is he shouldn't have been near the top three in 97, but the organisers knew he had a career ending injury and gave it to him. 96 Maybe. 97 Definitely....but Flex and all the others are delusional if they think Dorian didn't beat 'em fair and square for at least four years.

[@johnwesley3885]

This is when bodybuilding was unkind to itself. It's a serious indictment that Sean, Kevin, and Flex are all without a single Olympia win while Yates has Six.

[@zigzzagz5732]

I disagree.

[@plumbbob3778]

IF...Flex trained like Dorian or Kobe... There'd be no argument. Flex was the closest thing there was to cartoonish perfection. ZERO weak points. Just soft glutes cause he didn't have the work ethic to fully cultivate God's gift to him.

[@BRUTUSz]

Like the Year when Jay Cutler and Viktor Martinez had a clash. Jay won but people had Viktor on top. its not Jay`s fault but their people who have the upper control.

[@krocketti9491]

That’s sad bro you felt that way

[@colinluby5950]

I do agree that perfect scores for obvious symmetry discrepancies and mega bellies is whack. Flex reminds me of Michael Jackson. Wonder if he sings

[@_Only_Zuul]

lol😄 i don't think i've ever heard an american say the word "wanker".. we say that word a lot here in australia.. and "cunt"😂🤣😂

[@dimitardimitrov5366]

Wow, I didn’t know that Flex , besides having a great physique is also a great gentleman

[@MedamineSlasla-su6mv]

Flex is the most perfect physique in bodybuilding history

[@wheelerking8380]

In this interview Flex looks like a shaved head mix of Jermaine/Tito Jackson

[@Jammydodger69]

Dorian just looked way better than Flex.. there is no debate.

[@mmkt9487]

Did flex just use the word “wanker” ? At around the 4:07 minute mark?

[@iamcorneliu1097]

hate the game not the player

[@berndblabla4249]

Yates tore His biceps and got good Scores and flex had all his synthol and got good Placements 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@sweetXXXenloe]

I doubt anyone said because you're black you wont do great.. heard of, hmmm, Lee Haney? 🤔

[@kevinkenny8739]

Love flex!

[@johnnyesponge9218]

Its not really a rivalry if one person dominates

[@joqqy8497]

Flex was good, but never near Dorian.

[@kkkm4431]

He had better symmetry but that was pretty much it. But he's still one of the best ever.

[@themusic6808]

Even Dorian in the years since has sort of admitted his last couple Olympia wins were given to him on credit. 1993 though between him and Flex that’s a true toss up.

[@lukeskywalker1574]

Boybuilding competitions are so rigged, right from local competitions to the Mr O, thats why ppl with injuries get to win, theres simply no other fact or reason for that to happen. Thats the reason why Ive never competed, Ive seen so much wrong doing at BB comps whilst sat in the audience its untrue.

[@haraldblatand5362]

In how many poses does the judges give out scores for the best biceps?

[@TypicallyUniqueOfficial]

The best competitor to not win an Olympia? I think so.

[@jawanpantin493]

Flex is the greatest best shape ever

[@thapelomaraisane8705]

I hear everyone talking abou Flex's lackluster work ethic. Here's my question though. Exactly what aspect of his physique would improve if he worked just a little harder? Size? Leanness? Symmetry?

[@haraldblatand5362]

Conditioning!!! Stop using synthol would also be great addition.

[@breaks3085]

@Lucien , flex looked way better. you aint talking about dorian had no abs crap muscle insertions blocky waist , 0 aesthetics, just freaky conditioning an mass,

[@breaks3085]

@Lucien my question to you who's physique would you rather have

[@breaks3085]

@Lucien if you dont have the roundness of the muscles an shape you won't look impressive, aint nobody said i want a physique like Dorian yates, but many aspire to look like flex,

[@breaks3085]

@Lucien your a Joker, none of dorian muscle groups look impressive, his bicep shape looks average has short triceps, blocky waist, good lats & calves with size & muscularity, I'm not tearing him down cos he's a good bb, but clearly overrated, an u talk crap, who wouldn't want a small waist or an aesthetic shape,

[@MajorTom6]

Why the racism comment? The 8 Mr Olympias before Dorian were won by a black guy, as were the 8 Olympias after Dorian. Put the card away please.......

[@MajorTom6]

@@Momoa786 Exactly

[@ChampChamp2024]

@@Momoa786don’t know you that’s the code, when a white man wins it’s by racism.

[@j.dieason7527]

Flex is a good dude

[@Ithielios]

Crazy but I've had that same responds in the gym and assumed dudes was gay and stopped going. 🤣🤣🤣 The folly of youth 🤣🤣🤣

[@velagalavamsikrishnareddy1680]

Did he just say 98 pounds after high school ?

[@anthonylodge7516]

look at his pre workout pics, he was tiny literally a 98 pound weakling

[@stevewise1656]

Plus Dorian was the first Mr. Olympia I can recall having the bubble gut.

[@plumbbob3778]

Flex had zero self confidence early on. I couldn't imagine flaring my lats in the mirror and looking like he did and not being an overconfident beast.

[@fightermma]

Get Flex again