Flip-Cock! The Winchester 1887 Shotgun

Episode 016
In which we explore the ENTIRE STORY of The Terminator's iconic WINCHESTER 1887 SHOTGUN from Terminator 2!
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00:00 Introduction
02:14 A Legend is Born!
04:42 The 1887 in T2
05:25 Modifications, pt 1
07:08 Terminating Myths: Guns N' Roses!
08:50 KABLOOIE! Sound Design
10:09 Load / ReLoad
11:18 Pocketful of Shells (Terminators On Parade)
12:31 FLIP-COCK!
15:12 Flip-Cocking for Dummies
17:25 Flip-Cocking Legends!
19:07 Back to T2
20:37 Come Again?
21:22 Weapons Training
22:44 The Props!
24:05 A Lasting Legacy
25:00 SHOTS FIRED: A Blast Tally!
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[@Tfor2show]

EPISODE NOTES: 🤫 There's a SECRET FREEZE FRAME hidden in this episode! It reveals the real reason for the long delay between releases... did you find it?? If so, keep it a secret! 😁 🎙 Please excuse the occasional poor audio quality, especially when I had my head turned toward the TV (away from the microphone). It was so bad that I actually re-dubbed a few shots (can you tell which ones?) This will be prevented in future episodes with the installation of additional microphones... jeez, this is an expensive hobby. 😅 Speaking of which, you can support the show by grabbing some cool merch at TeePublic.com/user/Tfor2show! Everything is up to 35% off for the next two weeks!

[@deadly_bite]

Damn! Didn't catch that one. All I noticed was the Siseckly Buniers! at the end of the section that DID NOT HAPPEN and News Host Casey's suspicious lack of pants. Hmm... 🤔

[@Tfor2show]

​@@deadly_bite Section that did not happen...? At the risk of my emotional welbeing I'm going to pretend I did not read that and assume that what you're saying isn't what I think you're saying. Siseckly Buniers to you! Wait, LACK OF PANTS?? THEY WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO SHOW THAT!! GOD DAMMIT!! 🤬

[@GazpachoTabletop]

I found the frame and I'm glad it wasn't something horrible that happened to you

[@Tfor2show]

@@GazpachoTabletop Oh thanks man! I'm glad you found it, but I feel bad that you were concerned... I didn't consider that it might worry anyone! Sorry about that. 😬

[@ThinkBIGBodybuilding]

Man the amount of work and creativity you put into this is next level! and with 1.5k subs, you must be pretty new to the platform? First time seeing you. I wish you the best of luck man and consider me subscribed. Also...congrats! (saw the frame)

[@geeksgamesandgears2369]

The 1887 was actually updated in 1901 with a stronger action and 2 piece lever (this is the design Chinese clones use) for smokeless powder. It was also only offered in 10 gauge to not compete with Winchester’s “new” 12 gauge 1897 pump action. I’ve heard 1901’s are what were actually used for filming. Also the 1887 can hold 7rds, this is done with a technique known as “ghost loading”. 5rds in the tube, 1 on the carrier and 1 in the chamber. Effectively 5+1+1. So the 7rds fired in the mall hallway before needing to reload is correct and not a trick of editing, again a instance of Cameron’s attention to detail.

[@Tfor2show]

Absolutely! Very nice! You really know your stuff. I touched on a few of these points in the original cut of this episode (particularly the updated 1901 and "ghost loading," or "hot loading," as I've often seen it called), but ended up cutting those scenes as this episode was just getting far too long, haha. I always struggle with what to include in these... There's the part of me that wants to be comprehensive as possible with each topic and not leave anything out, and then there's the part of me that wants to make these a little more easy to digest. Thanks for the terrific comment!

[@geeksgamesandgears2369]

@@Tfor2show your welcome! The 1887 is one of my favorite movie firearms and at least in clone form attainable for the average person lol. The T2 sawn off version has become a pop culture icon showing up in video games like MW2 and other film like Hot Fuzz and the Brendan Frazier Mummy (probably reusing one of the T2 prop guns). The 7rd capacity is really unique for such an antiquated design, most modern pump actions just get there with extension tubes. I’ve heard it stayed a favorite over the 1897 with stagecoach crews for this reason. Thanks for the reply!

[@Tfor2show]

@@geeksgamesandgears2369 Oh wow, I didn't realize the same sawn-off version was used in Hot Fuzz and The Mummy... I'll have to check those out!

[@Joe3pops]

I own a shortened to riot gun length 1901 of course it's smokeless 10 gauge. With Parker Bros. all brass 2 7/8 shotshell, I can handload eighteen, 00 buckshot pellets. That folks is twice the payload of a normal 12 gauge with only one trigger pull. Truth.

[@michaelb.42112]

The amazing part is that 99% of us film watchers have no idea what a shotgun should sound like, so to have those nerds go through all that trouble is awesome. James Cameron is THE man.

[@Tfor2show]

Hell yeah! 💥KABOOM!

[@tonowari]

just like jim you've mastered the art of rewatchability. i could watch any of the older or newer episodes and get something different out of them every time 😭

[@Tfor2show]

AH that's so great to hear!! It's honestly kinda hard for me to watch the older episodes because I feel like some of the editing and pacing is terrible. 😭 But I guess that just means I've grown as a video maker guy!

[@RakaiThwei]

I always considered this gun to be just as iconic as the Lightsaber from Star Wars and the M41A Pulse Rifle from Aliens. Also great to see this channel still be active after a year of silence! Welcome back!

[@Tfor2show]

Thank you so much for the warm welcome! I actually filmed this one over a year ago, but when I was about 65% finished with it, a big life change put the show on hold for awhile. But I'm thrilled to finally be back at it! Thanks again, man. And I agree - this shotgun is absolutely one of the most iconic weapons in movie history - mostly because of the way Arnold handles it so well!

[@shindukess]

I had a Winchester rifle toy that the stock broke off to where it was close enough to be like the 1887. I used to jam it between my Huffy bike frame and ride around my driveway. I'd pull out the toy, pretend to shoot the lock and ride my bike through stacked plastic milk crates. I clocked myself in the head many times flip cocking it. Fun simple memories as a kid.

[@Tfor2show]

Oh man, that's fantastic! Thanks so much for sharing those terrific memories. I just love hearing that sort of thing!

[@GazpachoTabletop]

Also I love the editing of this video. Love the sort of stacked footage of casey watching himself on the tv before we cut to it. Very postmodern

[@Tfor2show]

Ah, thank you! I'm really glad you liked that. That was an actual problem I had to solve when I learned about Arnold owning the "missing" prop shotgun: I wasn't sure how to work that into the episode. So this is what I came up with, and I'm happy with how it turned out!

[@TerminatorTheory]

The Terminator is NOTHING without his Winchester! And ofc his Longslide with laser sighting.. And his 12 gauge auto loader.. The Uzi 9mm.. *The AR-18, the M1911A1, the Gatling gun, the grenade launcher, the Phased Plasma Rifle in 40 Watt Range,* *Even himself. He is the weapon. Yea, we gotta carry a hydraulic press in our homes.*

[@Tfor2show]

Better safe than sorry!

[@80s90sGuy]

Great episode... I love how the empty, hot, shells bounce off Arnold's face as he's firing the gun into at T-1000 in the hallway scene. Badass.💪

[@Tfor2show]

Yeah! Same here! Well, the last one anyway... it's hard to tell if the others are actually bouncing off of him, or just coming up and falling down in front of his face (that's how most of them look to me). But the last one does seem to bounce off his cheek. I actually did bring this up in this episode, but the whole episode was just running way too long, so I decided to cut a few things, and that was one of them. 😕

[@khaleelurrahman248]

I've been waiting on this for a while but it was well worth it. Thank you for all the hard work you put into your videos as it is well recognized and appreciated. Details like the form of the original shotgun look with its OG stock, guard, and barrel along with the final shotgun shot are what make me enjoy the videos more than I already do which is *A LOT*. I love you guys so please take care of yourselves. *"Hasta la vista, babies."* ♥️😎🔥👍

[@Tfor2show]

What a terrific comment - thank you so much! I'm really glad you appreciate those details. Sometimes it takes a lot of work to get that stuff to look "just right," and I often think to myself, "man, is it worth it? Is anyone even going to notice?" So hearing that you notice and enjoy it really means a lot to me. 💙

[@brawlmaster7]

MAN WHAT an awesome episode! HAHAH, you've done a FANTASTIC job showcasing all sorts of goodies for the Winchester Model 1887 Shotgun! i actually had NO idea that it was still prevalent in SO many movies back then too! like the old westerns, and john wayne n all that, it's really interesting!! and the fact that james cameron wanted the terminator to USE the shotgun, even dating back to those older movies; is just.. EUGHH it's sucha cool detail man, i LOVE that so much hahah, i also REALLY love all the effort put behind the episodes too, like just going over each of the details of the movie & the scenes n such, i honestly had no idea that with the VHS copy you can see arnold putting the blue shells into the shotgun underneath his bike there, i always thought it was just regularly cut off for some reason LOL, but it's so cool to see more of that!! the other details about the guns & roses myth was pretty crazy! i actually thought for a long time it WAS the initial coincidence of arnold carrying the shotgun in the rose box there, and it kinda goes in tune with the myth, but seeing it debunked like that was really interesting & hilarious lmao, i was like WOAH i guess not! HAHA, kudos for that!! :D going over the sound design for the shotgun when james cameron layered it up to make it sound REALLY BOOMING was fantastic aswell, it really sells the visuals of the shotgun when the T-800 fires it in that closed corridor mall area there, i could imagine it actually sounding that loud too HAHAH, like DAMN that'd be crazy to hear! fantastic episode, EVERYTHING was written & explained to perfection, even a few of the edits had a REALLY good laugh from me aswell! like when you cut to your future self including the detail about arnold still having the shotgun, and then it shows the review happening in the backround lmfaoo that got me really good, you've got some superb editing skills!! :D Keep it up man!! T2 FOREVERRRRR!!!!!! P.S i also guessed around... 40 to 50 shots of the shotgun lmao.. i actually haven't watched it in FULL length in awhile, but i went back down to 20 or so but yea LOL

[@Tfor2show]

Wow, man! Thank you so much for the terrific comment! Since I don't do the show for money, it's comments like this that really help make it worth all the work that goes into the show. So thank you! I agree with you about how cool it is that the shotgun has roots in the old West, and how the flip-cock is an old Western movie trick... learning that was what inspired me to do this episode about the 1887! It was too cool not to share. I'm also glad you enjoyed some of the jokes! That stuff is so tricky sometimes, because I never know if it's something other people will find funny, or if I'm the only one. 😂 Not a bad guess on the shotgun shots! Some of the scenes are so wild and action-packed that it's really hard to keep track! Thanks again for the terrific comments! If you know any other Terminator fans, feel free to share this with them! 🔥👍🔥

[@stinson101]

Amazing stuff mate. So good to have you back!

[@Tfor2show]

Thank you so much, Mr Stinson! It feels terrific to be back at it!

[@TommyT21993]

Great episode and love the production. Definitely deserves more credit!

[@Tfor2show]

Thank you so much, man! If you know any other Terminator-loving fans who you think might enjoy it, feel free to let them know! 🔥👍🔥

[@colonelklink8790]

this video is awesome every video gets better and better haha i still love the T2 rockem sockem episode haha strong work and can’t wait to see what u next !!!

[@Tfor2show]

Thank you so much, Colonel!! I'm so glad you liked it. AND I'm glad that you love the Final Battle fighting game episode! I think that's one of the most underrated ones, so it's great to hear some love for it.

[@aricohen616]

This video is so good. I was obsessed with T2 when I was a kid. Your high production value mixed with comedy and good clips is perfect!

[@Tfor2show]

Hey thank you so much! I'm so glad you enjoyed this. I was similarly obsessed with T2 as a kid, so this project has been a terrific amount of fun for me, and I have tons more episodes in the works. Thanks again for the kind words, and stay tuned! 🔥👍🏻🔥

[@smallblock412]

Awesome video guys!! 👍 Loaded with cool info.

[@Tfor2show]

Thanks a lot, man!! I'm thrilled you enjoyed it! I was starting to get worried that I was putting too much detail into it, but it seems like people are enjoying it, so that makes me happy. If you know any other Terminator-loving fans who you think might dig it too, feel free to let them know! 🔥👍🔥

[@3DSage]

As a super fan of T2, I really deeply enjoyed your entertaining video! :)

[@Tfor2show]

Oh that's terrific to hear! Thank you so much... I'm so glad you enjoyed it! If you haven't already seen them, you might also enjoy some of my other episodes. It's not just this video - my entire show is all about T2! 😎👍🏻 Thanks for watching, and thanks for the nice comment!

[@tonowari]

SOOOO GOOOOOOOD!!!! and that "what did he just say" clip was so wrong LMFAOOOOO 😭😭😭

[@Tfor2show]

HAHA, I was hoping someone would comment on that! 😂 I was pretty proud of that one.

[@TOFKAS01]

7:09 Imagine the Terminator going into a flower-shop..... "A bunch of these Albert-Georg-Pluta-Rosas with less dornes, only large ones, in a white box" "You know your roses..."

[@Tfor2show]

HAHA, holy shit, that's fantastic. 🤣 Best comment I've gotten all week!

[@madsthordsen599]

This Was so great thank you

[@Tfor2show]

You're welcome! This one took forever to make, but I'm really happy with how it turned out. And I'm so glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for the kind feedback, man! 🔥👍🏼🔥

[@aus_liam444]

Hey dude, I'm new to the channel, I just subscribed yesterday but can I just say I absolutely LOVE the content you're creating. I'm only 18 years old but I'm a HUGE T1 & T2 fan and I have been since I was 4 years old, I just love the first two Terminator films to death, they're my two most favourite films of all time that I hold very dearly to my heart and nothing will ever come close to replicating their greatness! T2 as a film means sooo much to me and has influenced me tremendously during my life. The pure love, passion and nostalgia I have for T2 is unlike anything else and I'm soooo pleased to finally come across your channel!! it honestly warms my heart to see someone like yourself who is even 10 times more passionate about T2 than I am, I adore your huge memorabilia and merchandise collection that you've got and all the "detailed files" you have about the film and it's production! Hey btw If I could please make a video request of sorts....in the future do you think you could do an in-depth review of all the home-media releases of T2 from VHS, Laserdisc, DVD, Blu-ray, all the way to 4K? And include some more "detailed files" on the various special features and hidden menu easter-egg content on the earlier releases such as the 1993 Pioneer Laserdisc box set, Ultimate Edition DVD, Extreme Edition DVD, and Skynet Edition Blu-ray?? I just find all the bonus content on DVD's and such really fascinating haha. I know it's a big request lol so don't feel pressured to get around to it, it's totally fine if you got other ideas trust me, I just thought it could make an interesting video for your already awesome channel which btw I love the presentation of your videos man, I love the whole vibe you've got going on and you've got a wicked personality and great sense of humour which has made me laugh many time already so it's honestly really refreshing to see. Keep up the amazing work man I'll make sure to spread the positive word of your channel!! 🙌🤙🥰

[@Tfor2show]

Oh wow, thank you so much for this terrific comment! So sorry for the late reply - I always reply to all comments, and I usually do it right away, but I got busy when I first saw this and just remembered today. Anyway, I very much appreciate the kind words! And I'm so glad you're enjoying the show. Honestly, that's the only thing that matters to me for this project - I don't care if I never make a nickel from it (and as much as I've spent to produce it, I'm sure I never will, haha) - all I care is that it's fun for me and it makes people happy. So welcome aboard! In regards to your request - yes, I certainly do plan to make an episode all about the various home media releases and various formats it's been released on! As far as I've seen so far from other collectors online, I may possibly have the most complete collection of T2 on different media formats in the world. So I'm definitely excited to share it some day in an episode! I'll also be doing some individual episodes dedicated to some of the different releases, like an in-depth look at the Ultimate Edition DVD from 2000, which is one of my favorites, because the amount of bonus content is INSANE. Anyway, thanks again for the very kind feedback - it totally makes my day, and it honestly keeps me inspired to keep making new content for the channel. Glad to have you aboard!! 🤘🤘

[@Krafty]

I lost it at "so anyway, the terminator starts blasting..." 🤣 what a well produced show you have here. Glad I checked in from Reddit!

[@Tfor2show]

HA, I'm so glad you enjoyed that line! From what I can tell, you're the first person to catch that one, so you made my day with this comment. 🤣 And thanks so much for checking out the show. Lots more to come! 🔥👍🏼🔥

[@Krafty]

@@Tfor2show haha no way? I mean to be fair, I've just finished the episode and there are so many more lines/jokes I could quote. I really enjoyed it and laughed a few times. You should be proud of what you've put together here, it's really fun, original and clever content. I look forward to more! "Can't let you take all the credit, son!" LOL Oh and I also have the right to brag that I caught the secret screenshot too!

[@Tfor2show]

@@Krafty Man, thanks so much for the kind words! I really appreciate that. This was just the boost I needed to continue working on the next episode. Thanks, man!

[@Krafty]

@@Tfor2show You're welcome! Yes please, get it finished, we're all waiting! I'll look forward to seeing it.

[@TardesdeNeon]

Welcome back!!! I´m so happy for you guys!! :D

[@Tfor2show]

Thank you! It's such a pleasure to be releasing new stuff again!

[@LukeAvedon]

This makes me want to watch T2 yet again.

[@Tfor2show]

I'll bring the snacks! Popcorn and peanut butter M&M's sound good?

[@TerminatorTheory]

*Watching T2 should be a daily routine*

[@khaleelurrahman248]

@@Tfor2show That'd be awesome but I myself prefer Moth Balls, Corn Syrup, and Ammonia.

[@Tfor2show]

@@khaleelurrahman248 What's for dinner?

[@khaleelurrahman248]

@@Tfor2show *"You want some of my fries?"*

[@brianruckel8354]

Another amazing episode, absolutely knocking it outta the park...

[@Tfor2show]

Thanks, Brian! I'm so glad you enjoyed this! This one was probably the most work yet of any of them yet (mostly from tracking down all those clips from movies and The Rifleman, plus some parts where my mic didn't work, and I had to re-dub parts... anyway, it was a mess, haha). So I'm really glad you liked it!

[@brianruckel8354]

@Tfor2: The Terminator 2 Show Your passion of the franchise shines thru and I'm sure everyone who watches can feel it as well..Keep up the outstanding work..Looking forward to many more. Can't wait for my shirts to arrive..

[@Tfor2show]

@@brianruckel8354 Thanks so much, man! And I hope you enjoy the shirts! I've bought quite a few shirts from TeePublic myself, and they usually turn out pretty nice. Thanks so much for supporting the show, man! That really means a lot to me. Edit: Also, if you feel like it, feel free to send me any photos you want yo share of yourself wearing your shirts when they arrive... I've been thinking about doing some more involvement with the friends of the show like yourself by showing pictures of people in their shirts whenever I plug the shirt store. No pressure though!

[@XanderFrederick]

Smooth move Baldwin @ 16:42 lmfao

[@Tfor2show]

DAMMIT! They were supposed to edit that out! 😖 Son of a bitch!! 😤

[@newbreedtv3833]

An Excellent in depth episode!

[@Tfor2show]

Hey, thanks, man!! I'm so glad you liked it! It feels great to finally have this one out.

[@yuritesticoff1141]

"there's that little sob" 🤣🤣 yessss. Nothing like laughing about X'n ooot co-workers in a cinematicly tasteful, lore respecting way

[@spacepunk2456]

Your videos are the Best! Absolutely Amazing and too Cool!!! Another Home Run; We thank you! 💥💀🔥

[@Tfor2show]

Thank you so much! I'm so glad you enjoyed this. This one ended up being way more work to finish than I expected it to be, but I'm really happy with how it turned out. If you know any other Terminator fans, feel free to share the show with them! 🔥👍🔥

[@spacepunk2456]

@@Tfor2show Yes Sir! I already have! Truly EPIC!!!!! 💥💀🔥

[@Tfor2show]

@@spacepunk2456 Awesome!! Thanks so much for the support, man! 🤜🏼🤛🏼

[@Chainsawhappy]

Brilliant work!

[@Tfor2show]

Thank you so much! I'm so glad you enjoyed this. Much more to come, so stay tuned! 😎👍

[@RetroReels]

Great episode!

[@Tfor2show]

Thanks, man! Glad you liked it!

[@dagger6498]

Fascinating show! Just came across this going down a rabbit hole about a D&D character spinning his crossbow like this. I like your editing and showstyle. Might just stick around.

[@Tfor2show]

Oh cool! I'm so glad you like the show! It's been a lot of fun so far, and I have a ton of episodes in the works! Tell me more about this D&D character who flips his crossbow... Any chance there are clips online you could direct me to? I'd love to see it!

[@blytelyfe]

The shotgun blast scared the helloutta me then I died from laughing so hard🤣

[@Tfor2show]

HAHA, that's so great to hear! 🤣 I'm so glad you enjoyed that. Sometimes when I work these things into the show, they play in my head so many times, and the editing process can take so long that I end up watching it so many times, and I start to question whether or not it's still funny, haha. So I'm glad you liked it!

[@deadly_bite]

Wow, that was EPIC!!! The sheer amount of information...! No wonder this episode took so long to make! You pretty much got a PhD on the topic! That's what I call quality research 💯 There's so much to unpack here I don't think I can cover it all in one single comment, but I'm gonna try. James Cameron sure as hell knows his firearms, and that expertise is one of the billion things that make the Terminator films as legendary as they are. I'm far from being an expert myself, but I love learning nerdy stuff like this 🤓 I had never really stopped to think about the fact that Arnold spends a large chunk of the film firing a gun from the wild west, but now that I know, I can't get over how awesome that is. Now I can't stop thinking about the bartender losing what was possibly his grandpa's shotgun, and what the whole back story was; how and when it got all those modifications, and all that cool stuff. It kinda deserves a movie if its own, really. Would be awesome if somebody actually did that 🤠 I wasn't aware of the western influences in T2 either... I just never thought about it, really, but it makes so much sense. The whole Rifleman thing is really cute. Now I wonder... is that how Sarah and John Connor got their family name? Or is it just a coincidence? 🤔 Speaking of which, I have to admit I totally bought into the Guns N' Roses thing. You can consider that myth successfully busted... or 'terminated' 😆 It's still one hell of a funny coincidence, though. Now I wonder "She's not my mother, TODD" would sound with the Ramones playing in the background... 🤔 Sticking to the realm of sound, your deconstruction of the shotgun sound effect is absolutely mind-blowing. That's just another one of those things you never really stop to think about until you see them on this channel. It's amusing to think that it was somebody's job to sit down and come up with all that stuff. And, boy, they really nailed it. I had never really stopped to think about it, but that shotgun sound is such a quintessential element of T2. You probably could recognize it on a blind test. And now it's time to talk about the FLIP-COCK! (flip-cock, flip-cock, flip-cock)™. I can't believe you actually pulled it off! That was just... wow! 👏👏👏 I hope it didn't take as much bleeding as it did for Arnold 😬😆 Those attractive, shape-shifting liquid metal men from the future don't know what's coming to them! 😎 (I hope no Edward Furlong foreheads were harmed in the making of this video 🤕) I'm definitely choosing to believe that this is how Kurt Cobain died, and no-one can change my mind. The idea is just way too awesome. Considering what I've heard about the barrel of his shotgun being too long for him to pull the trigger with his finger, it might as well have been the case 😅 Anyway, I'm pretty sure I'm forgetting something, but I feel like this comment is already long enough. Thank you for this absolute beast of an episode. If you ask me, it was worth the wait. 'Siseckly Buniers to the max' doesn't quite encompass it. Chuck Connors would be proud 😉🤜🤛 PS. I can't believe I *almost* nailed the number of shots fired! 😲 My initial estimation was 25, based on how many times I recalled Uncle Bob reloading. I didn't think of the shot fired by the bartender, though. Damn! 😆

[@Tfor2show]

Hey Alissa!! I'm so glad you liked this! I was in the same boat as you when I first started studying up on this shotgun. The fact that it's an antique old-West shotgun that he's carrying around throughout the movie is so cool, and it really makes you look at things a little differently! Learning that was the first thing that made me say, "Oooh, I want to do a series of Weapon Profile episodes for the show!" I'll be doing others in time as well, like the minigun, the grenade launcher, the .45 longslide with laser sighting (just put the red dot where you want the bullet to go!), but honestly I doubt any of them will be 1/4 as long as this one, haha. This one just has so much more meat on the bone. In fact, I don't know why the hell I chose to start off the Weapon Profiles with this one, considering it'll probably be the biggest and longest, but I guess it just seemed like the most interesting to me, haha. Regarding a movie about Lloyd's/Uncle Bob's shotgun, that's actually an awesome idea! If nothing else, it would make for a cool mini comic book series! The story of what that old West shotgun went through for 100 years before it ended up in the hands of a cybernetic killing machine from the future. Regarding the Ramones, I was considering putting a little clip together where I dubbed some of the footage of John and Tim on the dirtbike with "I Wanna Be Sedated" playing in the background, but my first thought was that it was gonna kinda mess with the flow of the show, and my second thought was that I'd probably end up with copyright issues. So maybe I'll throw together a clip just for sharing on Instagram and Twitter and stuff one of these days, just for fun. Regarding the FLIP-COCK! (flip-cock, flip-cock, flip-cock)™ 😆 (Very nice, I appreciate that you included the echo! 😆) Believe it or not... what you saw here was NOT the first take. 😂 Some day if I ever do a Patreon thing, I'll be putting a lot of deleted scenes, bloopers, and outtakes from the show... and one of them will probably be about a five or ten minute video of all that went into trying to pull that off. You may have noticed that the barrel grazes my upper arm in that slow-mo shot... well, some of the takes were a lot worse than that. Let's just say that my upper arm was VERY sore (and a little bruised) the next day from an awful lot of direct hits. And... the shotgun didn't always function the way it was supposed to, either. 😂 But at least my forehead came out unscathed! I'm glad you appreciated my Kurt Cobain joke! 😂 If I remember right, I didn't write that one in the script; I came up with it while I was filming. I love Nirvana as much as the next guy, and I was worried that some people might think it was in poor taste, but... I just liked it way too much not to include it (and it's been almost 30 years.) Nice thinking on 25 shots! Color me impressed. I honestly thought my guess of 21 was way too high! Some of the action in the movie (like the elevator scene) is so intense and hectic that anyone who can count in their head how many times he fired off the shotgun, and get within one or two numbers, is very impressive! And to be honest, I'm glad you forgot about the shot that Lloyd the bartender fired off... that was my goal! 😆 Alissa, your comments alone are honestly such a HUGE part of what makes the work that goes into this show worth it for me! I can't tell you how much I appreciate your support and your words of encouragement! Thank you, thank you, thank you! 💙

[@deadly_bite]

@@Tfor2show Aww, you're too kind! 😚 If you had managed to pull the FLIP-COCK! (flip-cock, flip-cock, flip-cock)™ off on your first take, you might as well be the new John Wayne! 😆 Your achievement is just as impressive, though. A mini comic book series about the shotgun would be absolutely perfect! Let's just throw the idea out there, in case anyone's listening 😉

[@Tfor2show]

"The new John Wayne" would be a pretty cool moniker! But, to be honest... I'd rather be Chuck Connors. 🤠 Working on this episode honestly turned me into a big fan of The Rifleman. 😂

[@deadly_bite]

@@Tfor2show Cheers to that! 🍻

[@elontusk7565]

Yes my favourite channel is pumping out the content again 😎

[@Tfor2show]

AND IT ABSOLITELY WILL NOT STOP... EVER!! ...Until it runs out of ideas. 😆

[@bennett8687]

I saw this episode when it first came out and loved it, but it was legit a god-send when I needed to draw someone doin the flip-cock trick. Your demonstration was already extremely helpful but the number of shots you have of the gun from nearly every angle was also great! The videos of course also very entertaining and informative- love learning all these details

[@Tfor2show]

Oh wow, that's so great to hear! I'm so glad you're enjoying the show, and I'm glad you found this helpful. I'd love to see what you drew, if you ever feel like sharing it!

[@Z28L98]

Dude, what an episode. I remember being a kid thinking this was the coolest gun ever made. So much good info here. Thank you for covering this topic 👍

[@Tfor2show]

Thank you so much, man! I agree 100% - when I was a kid, nothing seemed cooler than Arnold flip-cocking that shotgun on his Harley! I'm so glad you enjoyed this. If you know any other Terminator-loving fans who you think might dig it too, feel free to let them know! 🔥👍🔥

[@FansofSomething]

Found the freeze frame! Yeah, once again, congrats on becoming a dad! Beautiful stuff. - E

[@Tfor2show]

Thanks, Edward!! I'm glad you found it!

[@simondudley5969]

10 secs in had to comment straight away.this ep is the best ever

[@Tfor2show]

Thanks, man!! I'm so glad you're digging the show! Got a lot more fun stuff planned down the road, so "stick around." 😎👍🏼

[@Isaacfess]

Man, once again you guys knock it out of the part with production value and great jokes! Such a badass weapon. T2 MythBusters yeah! Glad you got good-ole Danny boy working on the team, he's an internet legend. *DAMN!* That's some masterclass audio editing for the gunshot sound, as a sound editor that's awesome to see all the parts. Found the secret frame! Congratulations man, super happy for you! Wish you good luck in the future. My guess was 27, so close!

[@Tfor2show]

Hey, Isaac! Thanks so much for the great comment! I appreciate all the kind words and good feedback. I've been especially excited to hear from you on this one - I think Danny's voice is heard in this episode more than any other so far, and since you're the only person I know of who recognizes it, I was thinking about you every time I was working him into it, haha. Glad you enjoyed that! Glad you found the secret frame, too. Thanks for the great comment, man!

[@Isaacfess]

Thank you for being awesome!

[@Tfor2show]

Aw, shucks! 😊

[@alfordv1]

The last clunk against the head at the end of the montage :D *chefs kiss*

[@Tfor2show]

Haha, thank you! That was a last-minute idea as I was wrapping up the yearlong process of editing this episode. 😆 Glad you enjoyed that.

[@LyLuLeCreative]

Very interesting. We learnt a lot on this episode. Our best part was the sound effect of the shot gun (you did a great job to find the sound !!!), the flip-cocking you did (👍) and ... the picture of you and you Dad (26:32) 16:14 : did Linda Hamilton signed the picture of her, behind you ? 24:08 !!!!! 😱🙈😂😂😂😂😂 Everything is perfect, as usual. We love it !!!!!!

[@Tfor2show]

Ha, I'm so glad you enjoyed that!! Thank you, ladies! This one ended up being way more work than I expected it to be when I started, but I'm very happy with how it turned out. Thank you for watching! Regarding the Linda Hamilton picture - it is indeed signed by her! But I didn't obtain the signature myself. I bought it on ebay. 😂 But it is hand-signed. I don't normally collect autographs, but I was excited to get this one! And it makes a terrific set decoration.

[@cobra.x666]

I absolutely love your videos my man. Great editing. I guessed 27 shots.. damn I was so close 😅

[@Tfor2show]

Hey, not bad at all! 💥BLAM! 💥BLAM! 💥BLAM! And thank you for the kind words! I'm so glad you're enjoying the show. I may not be able to get them made as frequently right now while my kid is young, but I still have a TON of episodes in the works!

[@cobra.x666]

@@Tfor2show That's okay buddy. Family is more important. I wish you and your loved ones all the best ❤️

[@Tfor2show]

@@cobra.x666 Thanks so much, man!

[@omartistry]

Your editing is superb.

[@Tfor2show]

Oh wow, thank you so much! I appreciate every single comment that I get, but comments like these really mean a lot to me, because the overall look and feel and flow of the show is what I stress over the most, haha. So thank you very much!

[@BalgaBear]

The Rifleman, the way Chuck does that spin, it's on par with the charisma of Bruce Campbell shoving a Chainsaw onto his stumpy wrist and pulling the cord with his chest rig.

[@Tfor2show]

Ha, wow, that's a terrific comparison! Hell yeah.

[@dr.burtgummerfan439]

Groovy!

[@herrcobblermachen]

Pops up in the resident evil games, was real happy to see it in the dlc for the remake =)

[@mattd03411]

good job on all of this

[@Tfor2show]

Thanks, man!!

[@mattd03411]

@@Tfor2show just so you know we in SoCal call it a wash and I used to cut through them all the time. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tujunga_Wash

[@Tfor2show]

Oh, interesting! Thanks so much for that info and perspective, man! I'm sure I'll be referencing those scenes many more times in various future episodes of the show, so I'll try to remember this when I do. I love that sorta stuff.

[@TerminatorFiles]

Additional detailed files that aren't mentioned in the show: - The shotgun hold 6 shells, but in some shots the Terminator shoots 7 times without ever having reloaded. - When the T-800 confronts the T-1000 for the first time, and shoots... the shells that come out of the shotgun, all hit bounce of his body and face. The flip-cock action ejects the shell along the direction of the gun, and since the T-800 shoots it right in front, the shells can only go one way. Slow-mo your footage and see them bounce! Thanks for the great episode!

[@Tfor2show]

Thanks, Vic! I'm so glad you enjoyed this episode. And thanks for the terrific comments! It's funny you mention these things, because I did discuss those points when I filmed the episode, but I deleted them for various reasons. 😬 - There's a trick with the 1887 called "hot loading," where you can have seven shells at the ready by loading 5 in the magazine tube, one on the ramp, and one up the pipe, which could explain how he was able to initially pump seven rounds into the T-1000 without reloading. But this episode was running way too long, and I needed to trim it down, so that was the first thing that made the cut... because I figured I could move it to a future episode of the show I'm considering doing some time called "Counting Shots," where we'll count how many shots are fired from the various weapons in the Terminator films, to see how realistically they're portrayed, and to tally up and see which weapons fired the most / least / etc. Should be a fun one! - The shells bouncing off his body and face I wrote in the script for this episode and was going to discuss it, but I ended up changing my mind. Not only because, as I mentioned, the episode was running way too long... but also because, in my opinion, I'm not so sure that they are all bouncing off of him. I know that's what a lot of people think, and they could be correct! But to me, a lot of them look like they just go up and come down right in front of his face, and because of the way the camera is lined up, it might just look like they're bouncing off of him. The last shell looks like it may very well have hit him in the face, but the rest... I'm not so sure. But that's just my opinion! I could be wrong. Regardless, I'm really glad you enjoyed this episode, man! Thanks again for the great comments!

[@fredford7642]

Hi! You have to have the better videos out yet. The information, comical mishaps, the break down of one of the best action movies out. Sincerely, I am a true fan of your videos and look forward to the next one.

[@Tfor2show]

Wow! Thank you so much for the wonderful comment, Fred. I really appreciate that, and I'll use it as inspiration to get back to work on the next episode soon! Have a great day, my friend!

[@BrokenSword1978]

super cool

[@Tfor2show]

Thank you! I'm so glad you enjoyed this! I've got a ton of similar episodes in the works, so feel free to subscribe and stick around for more fun. 😎👍🏼

[@christianzale505]

I first saw this shotgun in T2 but I came here because of Resident Evil 4 remake. Leon shreds innocent pitchfork wielding farmers with this thing and he does the badass T2 reload after each shot lol

[@Tfor2show]

Ha, really?? I'll have to check that out! Does he re-load it with a flip-cock? 😆

[@christianzale505]

@@Tfor2showyes he does. The game lets you modify the weapons reload speed but for that shotgun I purposely leave it only halfway modified so I can see the dope ass flip cock animation lol

[@80s90sGuy]

Another favorite movie of mine that features the lever action shotgun briefly is Ash from Evil Dead (Army of darkness) "The name's Ash...Housewares" "Shop smart. Shop S-mart." But he sort of forward flip clocks it... not a full 360⁰. Still looks cool thou.

[@Tfor2show]

Oh, cool! I'll have to check that out! Believe it or not, I've never seen any of the Evil Dead movies (yet). 😬 Don't yell at me. 😅 EDIT: Just watched the clip! What he does there is called a "swing cock," which is also pretty popular in old Western movies! That's actually another thing I mentioned in this episode (and I made a joke about how "swing cock" sounds easily mistaken for some sort of sexual maneuver), but I cut all of that out to cut down on runtime.

[@KaijuBiologist]

Actually, that's a Winchester 1892 saddle ring carbine with Trapper loop, not a shotgun. Check IMFDB.

[@dtnetlurker]

John Wayne was just about the same Hight as Chuck, but Chuck had very very long arms that were even longer than Wayne's. Wayne had his barrel shortened to 18.5 for most films and as short as 15/16 in a couple of his later films like True Grit. No matter how many times I watch him, It still blows my mind every time I see Conners spin cock a FULL LENGTH 20 INCH Carbine! I don't know if he ever met John Wayne, but I'd like to think he joked and said at least once: "Hey John . . . mine's longer!" Wayne: "Ok Pilgrim, now sling it while riding at breakneck speed on horseback while shooting a Colt with your other hand!"

[@Tfor2show]

HA, absolutely! I wonder if there are any photos of the two of them together. That would be pretty cool to see.

[@genetvideos]

Hey, this is great.

[@Tfor2show]

Hey, this comment is great! Sorry I didn't see it until now. Thanks for the kind words, and I'm so glad you're enjoying the show! I hope to be able to get to work on new episodes soon. 🤘🏻🤘🏻

[@csm101000]

what are great episode

[@Tfor2show]

Thanks a lot, man! If you know any other Terminator-loving fans who you think might enjoy it, feel free to let them know! This isn't a for-profit show; I just love sharing it with people. 🔥👍🔥

[@gruntspy44]

I've watched this about 11 times now

[@Tfor2show]

Oh wow, really?? That's awesome! I'm so glad you're enjoying this! Thank you so much for leaving this comment - it honestly makes my day. It's 5:40am here, and I just got up so that I could go out to the set and do some more work on the next episode before the family wakes up in a few hours, but I was hesitating because it's so cold out today... But thanks to this comment, I'm gonna get my ass out there and get to work. Thank you! 🔥👍🏼🔥

[@hyuflhyup7368]

i repeat watch this film at my 15yr old (1992) at my aunt & grandmother 🏠 house using Pioneer LaserDisk 👍 it's my favorite Arnold's action film 👍& i love it , include that 2 stroke vehicle & that awesome American's vehicle 👍👉

[@Tfor2show]

Oh cool, I've never had the chance to watch it on Laserdisc! However, I have a bunch of different versions of The Terminator and T2 on Laserdisc that I've acquired over the years, and... I recently acquired a Laserdisc player! I'm excited to try it out soon.

[@ryanhunter226]

8:03 Robert Patrick suggested that when John and his friend leave his house (She's not my mother Todd!) that Head Like A Hole by Nine Inch Nails (my favourite band) plays on their boombox as they speed off. Robert Patrick made this suggestion because his brother Richard Patrick of the band Filter, was in NIN at this point in time. In behind the scenes footage, during scanning Robert's body to study his movements, you see him wearing a NIN shirt. Also in another interview you see him wearing a NIN badge on his jacket. I think I remember him saying that during training for his runs, he would listen to Pretty Hate Machine. If only Head Like A Hole was used. NIN, particularly the Pretty Hate Machine and Broken (though this came out in 92) works perfectly with T2. They should have had a NIN sticker in the wall on John's room. He most certainly would've had Pretty Hate Machine in amongst his music.

[@Tfor2show]

Indeed! I remember thinking it was so cool when I first started noticing the NIN gear Patrick was wearing in the T2 behind-the-scenes stuff... and then when I started getting into Filter and looking at pictures of the band, and thinking, "Richard Patrick?" Man, he kinda looks like Robert Patrick..." and I wondered if there was a connection there, but it wasn't until some point after we got the internet that I got that confirmed for me. What a cool connection! Yeah man, Head Like A Hole would have made an AWESOME tune for John and Tim to be jamming to! Thankfully, You Could Be Mine was still a badass track in its own right and still doesn't sound "dated" by today's standards. But Head Like A Hole would have been something else, man! Imagine what it would have done for Trent Reznor's career at that time, too. I've always wanted to re-score Terminator 2 with all Nine Inch Nails music. Maybe some day I'll get around to that.

[@MerolaC]

Not gonna brag about the freeze frame... but I found it, lol. Congrats, man! Life can be good at times! Now, to finish the episode. Edit: I thought 23 times that it was fired. Excellent as always, Casey. Loved every second of this episode. Also FINALLY learned who Chuck Connors was. And about the audio quality, I didn't notice a thing, I was way too entertained for that.

[@Tfor2show]

YES, I'm glad you found the freeze frame! You're the only one that I know of this far! Glad it was you. Damn good guess on the shotgun firings! And I honestly thought I was guessing a little high, haha. Glad you now know who Chuck Connors is! Honestly, the Rifleman is a pretty cool show. Watching so many episodes to find all those clips gave me an honest appreciation for the show.

[@Tfor2show]

Oh, AND... I'm so glad you didn't notice the audio quality issues! That honestly makes me feel a lot less disappointed about that. Thanks!

[@MerolaC]

@@Tfor2show Hahaha Thank you! I did a recap of the film in my head. I gotta admit, i had to do one too many recounts :P Yes, the The Rifleman show looks amazing. I gotta source it and watch it.

[@MerolaC]

@@Tfor2show Yeah, I even rewatched the parts where you said there were audio issues, this time with headphones, and while it did diviate a little from the good pars, it's still far from bad to be noticeable! So, don't worry, you did Excellent.

[@Pigness7]

Found the freeze frame, Congratulations!

[@Tfor2show]

Thanks, man! What a coincidence that you made this comment today - my second daughter was actually born just last night! 😆

[@Pigness7]

@@Tfor2show Congratulations again!

[@Tfor2show]

@@Pigness7 Haha, thanks again! 😎👍🏻

[@AvaricioDues]

I found the secret freeze frame, after sever attempt; I caught something moving fast and I had to slow the video down a lot, then time the pause; so yeah. Found it, very cute and congratulations

[@Tfor2show]

Ha, that's awesome!! I think I'll be putting one in every episode now, just for fun... People seem to enjoy it. 😄 Thanks for watching, and thank you for the comment!

[@bunsonhoneydew9099]

You are hilarious!

[@Tfor2show]

@@bunsonhoneydew9099 Haha, thank you! I'm so glad you enjoy my stupid brand of amateur comedy. 😅 I never know whether other people are going to find my nonsense funny or not. Thanks so much for watching the show! I hope to be working on some new episodes soon. 🔥👍🏻🔥

[@aus_liam444]

Great... And now I need to buy a Winchester 1887 shotgun right away

[@Tfor2show]

DO IT! 💥BLAM! 💥BLAM! 😎

[@oldcalango]

Fun fact. The gohst rider also uses a winchester 1887 and also rides a harley davidson in the first movie

[@Tfor2show]

Oh wow, I had no idea he used an 1887! I'll have to check that out. Thanks! I don't suppose he ever does a flip-cock with it, does he?

[@dr.burtgummerfan439]

Are the Gremlins movies the only ones that Dick Miller survives?😂

[@Tfor2show]

HAHA, holy shit, you might be right! 😆

[@nicksquillace5125]

First off I love your show man me and you share the same exact love for this film I first saw it when i was about 5 years old and it absolutely stuck with me, it is hands down the best film ever made period!! So quick question is the gun your using in this video real or is it the bb gun type? So I actually bought the real deal shotgun and bought the pistol grip so it was more movie accurate! Also I own the original 1991 movie theater banner hit me up man I'd love to show ya!

[@Tfor2show]

Hey, Nick! Thanks so much for the kind words, and I'm so glad your enjoying the show! It's been so much fun for me to make, and I have a TON of episodes in the works! Regarding my shotgun - this is actually an airsoft version (shh, don't tell anyone, haha). That's cool that you got a real one! Is yours the one recently released by Chippewa? Or is it a different manufacturer? And yeah, I'd love to see your banner! If you want, post it somewhere like Instagram or Twitter and tag @Tfor2show so I see it. Or you can just email me a picture of it - [e-mail] Looking forward to hearing from you!

[@alexstoyo7850]

I would love to see a video on the Terminator's M79 Grenade Launcher. The sound it makes as he loads it and cocks it is quite iconic in of itself too.

[@Tfor2show]

Absolutely! I'll definitely be doing an episode all about the M79 one of these days. Should be a fun one! 💥

[@alexstoyo7850]

​@@Tfor2showPerfect 😃 I think I found out that the Chook noise that happens is the noise of it actually firing or pulling the trigger.

[@Tfor2show]

@@alexstoyo7850 Yeah, you're right about the sounds of the M79 being pretty iconic. Sometimes in Vietnam it was referred to as a "blooper" for the sorta "bloop" sound it makes. 😂

[@DTreatz]

What is the background song used from 2:00 on? That western one?

[@Tfor2show]

You have good taste! That's "Tumbleweed Texas" by Chris Haugen, from the free KZbin Audio Library. I LOVE that track! 🌵kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3WVY4usa9OGrJYsi=EgpaCGbDOC9jl7fo

[@smittys05gto]

The shotgun shells came free with the purchase of long stem roses.

[@Tfor2show]

HAHA, that's the best explanation I've heard yet!

[@BrowncoatNerd]

Why did it take me a year to come across this! Great video!

[@Tfor2show]

Thanks, man! The whole channel is dedicated to The Terminator and T2. If you love those movies, stick around. 😎👍🏻 I have a TON of episodes in the works, including more weapon profiles like this one! Can't wait to cover the M79 grenade launcher! 🤘🏻

[@BrowncoatNerd]

@@Tfor2show I’m tempted to get a folding stock for my Remington 870 to make a clone of the one Sarah used.

[@Tfor2show]

Hell yeah! That would be rad!

[@BrowncoatNerd]

@@Tfor2show problem is those stocks are expensive if you can find one and apparently the most uncomfortable stock to use on a 12 gauge. But if I find one I don’t think I’ll be able to say no.

[@Tfor2show]

@@BrowncoatNerd Yep, I think that would be one of those situations where fashion wins over function, haha.

[@usernamedkjahstill5003]

Sound editing is done later so if it was the hallway that has a gun in roses. And a scene that would change from the script then yes the Guns and Roses reference is a part of an Easter egg

[@Tfor2show]

I guess I'm not sure what you mean. What I'm saying is that people always claim that this was an INTENTIONAL reference to Guns N' Roses. My point is that the Terminator was scripted to smuggle his gun in a rose box before they ever even considered using Guns N' Roses for the soundtrack, and even regardless of that, James Cameron absolutely would not write a scene like that just so he could make a clever play on words in reference to the name of a band whose song played in a completely different scene of the movie. Arnold suggested they get Guns N' Roses, while Robert Patrick thought they should get Nine Inch Nails. And I can guarantee you that Schwarzenegger's reason for suggesting Guns N' Roses wasn't because he thought it would be a clever reference to the mall scene... he wanted them because they were a hot band. I do agree that it's a fun coincidence. But that's really all it is. It's just a coincidence. And being a complete coincidence means doesn't meet the definition of an Easter egg, because an Easter egg is an INTENTIONAL hidden reference for fans to find and enjoy. And this was absolutely not intentional.

[@usernamedkjahstill5003]

1. the script was typed up with a song 2. The movie was filmed 3. Voice over, Sound fx and score are added post products. 4. Guns and Roses replaces original song. 5. Scene comes before gun in roses reveal No such thing as coincidences. Especially when James Cameron is so meticulous about sound and music and small details. It's an easter egg an INTENTIONAL one. Cheers

[@mjpetty7]

I guess 27! UPDATE: Wow, I was very close. 25 isn't so bad. If we include Battle Across Time, how many times does he fire it?

[@Tfor2show]

Oooh, I hadn't thought about that! Some day when I do an episode on Battle Across Time, we'll have to do a companion montage! Good idea.

[@adiamond563]

will there be more style of vids like this? with guns

[@Tfor2show]

Absolutely! In time I plan to cover all of the major weapons from The Terminator and T2. I'm especially excited to get into the M79 grenade launcher! It's just taken me a bit longer to get episodes made lately, as my wife and I had our first kid a little over a year ago, and it's taken up an awful lot of my time. But I've been getting back into the swing of things and should have the next episode out soon!

[@user-wc8hg5lv6t]

In the 1960’S I had the rifleman toy gun and my arm was too short to flip cock it! Damn! Living high in Texas🤠🇺🇸

[@Tfor2show]

Oh wow, that's terrific! I've seen pictures of the Rifleman toy gun while researching this episode - looks like such a fun toy! Thanks for sharing that memory.

[@fmagalhaes1521]

@Tfor2. You can get the big blast hole with 00 buck too.

[@Tfor2show]

@@fmagalhaes1521 Interesting! I assume that's only if you're close enough (like in the mall corridor scene) that they don't have time to spread out?

[@Spikeland]

I have the same Terminator 2 Battel Damaged figure I lost the gun and front of the T-800 a long time ago.... but thanks to eBay I have the front part back now just have to find the gun lol BTW the gun was shot 26 times in movie... wish I was more but uncle Bob did swear not to kill anyone.... though where did the gun go after they got the other guns before they went to cyberdyne

[@Tfor2show]

That Battle Damage Terminator is a terrific figure! Definitely one of my favorites as a kid (and now!) As far as where the shotgun went... my best guess is that he left it behind at Enrique's place out in the desert!

[@ryanglitch8826]

26 times if you count the barkeep. 25 in arnolds hands.

[@Tfor2show]

Ooh, very nice! You must have thought about this before! 💥BLAM!

[@-captain-cosplay]

Fun fact: the cigar bikers character is called Robert pantelli

[@Tfor2show]

Hey, you know your stuff, man! Very nice! You might like this other episode of mine, which is ALL about Robert Pantelli and the actor who played him: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iaOpfGuGdseHsK8

[@Luccimatic]

It never occurred to me that the bartender was scratching his head not only wondering how that all just happened but how he was gonna explain to everyone that a random clean cut naked guy just walked in and took clothes, boots, a motorcycle AND his granddaddy’s shotgun with his bare hands.

[@Tfor2show]

Hell yeah! What a trip. He looked so genuinely perplexed and confused at the whole bizarre situation.

[@Luccimatic]

@@Tfor2show i can imagine the look on his face as he walked back inside realizing that his regulars were watching out the windows while it all happened.

[@Tfor2show]

@@Luccimatic Just think about the conversations they were all having after he left. I suppose they started by figuring out how to help their buddy who was pinned to the table.

[@Terminator103t]

The Terminator fires 22 shots with the Winchester shotgun in Terminator 2 Judgment Day

[@Tfor2show]

Nice! One more than me - and I thought I was guessing high!

[@gruntspy44]

I wishbthere were more episodes

[@Tfor2show]

There will be, my man! I promise. 😎👍🏼 The only reason they're not coming out faster is because my wife and I had our first kid a little over a year ago, and it's kept me super busy and made it hard to find as much time to work on the show, which honestly takes a ton of time to put together. But I assure you that I still work on the show almost every day... Except it's only for maybe a few minutes at a time now instead of for like 8 or 10 hours at a time, haha. And believe it or not, I'm actually working on it right now as I type this! Lately I've been getting up at like 4:30 or 5:00 in the morning so that I can work on it before the rest of the family wakes up, haha. Hope to have the next episode finished soon! 🤞

[@Courier-Six]

*Edit* To clairfy: the 1887 used in this film as an actual prop is a 12 gauge. All those that have gone to auction were 12 gauges. That being said, they were labeled in the script as a a 10 gauge and represent a 1901 since they are seen using smokeless ammo. The reason they could get away with using 1887's only rated for black powder was because they were firing blanks which produces much less pressure than live shells. This might also explain why the shotgun didn't produce enough of a punch for Cameron since the blanks they would have been using may have been extremely light even for blanks. So, with 25 rounds fired by the T101 and one by the Bartender, that also provides another interesting detail. Ammo today, especially defense or hunting ammo like Slugs or Buckshot are sold in 5 packs. Back when this film was produced, you could get 25 rounds boxes easily. I don't think the Terminator left the 1887 behind because of the weapons cache alone. I think he was also low on ammo for it. The shotgun was likely in 10 gauge, and 10 gauge ammo is hard to find now with the internet, let alone in 1997. If he managed to get a box of 25 shells or had enough cash to pick up 25 shells, he would have burned up his ammo reserve. If the bartender kept the shotgun loaded with six or seven rounds, that means Arnold would only have 5 rounds left with the gun that were loaded in it. Once they got to the weapons cache, Enrique probably kept the shotgun since it is a good holdout gun and could get more ammo for it. James Cameron either by coincidence or pure attention to detail managed to make it so the Terminator pretty much ran out of ammo and had to abandon his shotgun. While he isn't sentimental, I don't think he would have left a useful gun no matter how old behind him unless he reasonably believed he wouldn't be able to find more ammo for it going forward.

[@Tfor2show]

Wow, this is a terrific comment! Really interesting info and insight - thank you very much! If I ever do a follow-up episode, I might have to quote you on this, because you make some very good points. Thank you for watching and commenting! I love getting comments like this.

[@Courier-Six]

​@Tfor2show I'd love to see a follow up episode on Sarah Connor and her Remington 870 since it has pretty much become a series staple with the Sarah Connor Chronicles, Terminator Resistance, and Terminator Three all referencing or including one after T2 and it basically became Sarah Connors Trademark.

[@Tfor2show]

Absolutely! In time I plan to do episodes covering each of the main weapon used in The Terminator and T2. 🤘🏻

[@Courier-Six]

​@Tfor2show I look forward to it. As an Army Vet and a bit of a Firearms nut, I would love to help in any way I can. Also, I was marathon watching the original Terminator Series, it suddenly clicked on me that we never see a Terminator using currency. He busts a phone open to give John a Quarter, but otherwise he robs the Alamo store in T1. He robs the biker bar in T2, and robs the Gas Station in T3. We never see him purchase anything. Thinking on that, I realize the Terminator likely may have just stopped off at a closed Gun Store, broken in, and stole whatever ammo he had. Especially with gun store security and storage laws being much looser in the 90's

[@Tfor2show]

Oh yeah, I never considered that! Interesting stuff!

[@esk8er900]

Considering how Arnie always fires in bursts of 5 I’m gonna say 36 shots

[@Tfor2show]

Not bad! I like your logic! 💥BLAM!

[@ZM256.]

Hey, it's been a while. I watched this video when you first uploaded it but I now have the time to write my thoughts about it. I loved learning more about this gun that was used for T2, especially how far back the revolving gun has been seen in older movies. I only knew of its uses in the movies "Stagecoach" & "True Grit". It makes me wonder how the idea of a revolving gun first popped up to use in a movie. Was it a movie idea or had it been a thing in real life beforehand? 7:01 I didn't know that the gun was originally going to be placed on that part of the motorcycle. Perhaps when they tried to put it in that part of the cycle it could not fit in so they decided to see where else it could and it ended up where it is now in the movie. The edit to show how the gun would have looked like in its original placement was also done well with the way it blends in that shot. 8:22 I wasn't aware that even the idea of concealing the gun in a box of roses was something that came from another movie. Thinking about it now this also makes me question how the Terminator even acquired a box of roses in the first place. Did he just take them from a flower shop just like how he got his clothes and motorcycle? 8:57 This segment explaining the sound design was informative. I knew that the shooting sound effects had to have been done in post production but I didn't know that it was a combination of other sounds. How did you get all the sounds isolated? 13:20 This edit of Arnold wearing a luchador mask looks so funny. The goofy smile and the fact that it’s the mask from the "Nacho Libre" movie makes it even funnier. 18:35 I didn't know about "The Rifleman" or that James Cameron had said that it was the direct inspiration to use the spinning gun for T2. Those clips of the show looked cool. James even mentions The Rifleman at 21:37 23:23 This was a pretty creative way to show an update and still keep it in line with the presentation style of a television show that these videos have. In summary, another great and informative episode. I learned a lot from watching this. Also love the continuous use of Tourettes Guy voice clips. The influence of older western genre media and using it in a sci-fi film does make for an interesting contrast. Speaking of influence, have you ever heard of the rumors that James Cameron was allegedly inspired/influenced by the 1988 manga series called “Parasyte” for T2? Here's a part of a video where they mention this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fJ3Ll3l8o5yorZY This probably stems from the characters of that series having body parts that can turn into bladed weapons just like the T-1000 is able to do.

[@ZM256.]

P.S. I found the hidden frame. I'm not going to say where exactly it is as it’s supposed to be a secret but it was around the segment where you demonstrated the gun flip. Congratulations! I hope you show them the first 2 movies as soon as you feel they are the appropriate age to watch them. If uploads slow down again I will completely understand as you now have much more important priorities in real life now.

[@Tfor2show]

Wow, what a terrific comment! I'll do my best to respond to all of your terrific points: • To my knowledge, Stagecoach was the first time a flipcock was ever shown in a movie. • Regarding the shotgun's placement on the motorcycle, my thought is that they probably changed it from the scripted version for two reasons. The first is that it simply looked cooler where he put it in the movie, and pulling it out from that spot or putting it back throughout the early parts of the movie (like in the flood canal) made for a smoother, cool-looking action on Arnold's part... whereas inserting it between the clutch and brake cables across the handlebars would be a bit more awkward, and probably not as quick and smooth. My second thought is that it's simply a bit more concealed where he placed it. Driving through Los Angeles on a sunny day, or driving through the gates of Pescadero Hospital, wouldn't have been as discrete/casual if he had a big ol' shotgun across the handlebars. Also, thanks so much on the compliment on how that edit looked! I'm really glad you appreciated that, because I spent way too much time on it, haha. Probably took a good hour or two to get that looking right, with the movement of the motorcycle and the highway lights moving by and everything. • Good question on how he acquired the rose box! I hadn't thought about that... 🤔 Come to think of it, when we see him pull into the mall parking lot, do we see the rose box on him or on the bike? • Regarding the sound design of the shotgun, and the isolated sound effects, I actually got that from a bonus feature on one of the DVDs! • I'm glad you enjoyed the shot of Arnold in the lucha mask, haha. That was fun to throw in there. I plan to make LOTS more use of that smiling clip in the future! 😆 • Glad you enjoyed those shots from The Rifleman! That was one of the most time-consuming parts of this episode... downloading all of those old John Wayne movies, AND dozens and dozens of episodes of The Rifleman... and then going through all of those movies and shows to find all of the flip-cocks, and then clipping them all out, and then adding the text at the bottom of the screen with the title / release date / production company / movie poster / etc... I probably spent around 20-30 hours on that alone. There are a lot more flip-cocks from The Rifleman that I didn't show, as well as another John Wayne movie that I originally mentioned, but edited it out to cut down on the runtime on this episode. So one of these days I'm going to release a short compilation video on KZbin of nothing but flip-cocks from John Wayne, Chuck Connors, Arnold Schwarzenegger... and more! • It's such a small thing compared to all this other stuff, but I'm SO glad you enjoyed the Tourette's Guy clips, haha! I've been waiting to hear from you on this one, because you're one of only two people who have recognized his voice when I've used it, so now whenever I'm inserting him into the show, I think of you. 😁 • Regarding "Parasyte" possibly inspiring Cameron - I actually have heard about this! A few years ago I made a few notes about that in my master "Tfor2 Episode Topics" document for a future episode so I wouldn't forget, but I haven't really dug too deep into it yet, so thank you for the link! • Regarding the hidden frame - I'm glad you found it! I think I might occasionally hide these in the show. Seems like a fun little extra, especially for those people who watch episodes more than once. And yes sir, I will DEFINITELY be showing my daughter these films when she's old enough! I'm going to do everything I can to preserve Arnold's "hero twist" in T2 for her so that I can see (and maybe film) her reaction when he says "Get down!" Regarding episode pacing now that I have a kid - I actually plan to cut back significantly on runtime for awhile. My original plan for the show was to NEVER have an episode over ten minutes... but now I've had several that have gotten close to thirty minutes! 😆 So for the time being, I'm going to start focusing on simpler topics that will not require such long episodes. The quality will be the same - I'll quit the show altogether before I'll sacrifice quality. But the episodes will be a bit simpler and shorter, which will make it easier for me to find time to keep doing these while the kid is little... AND it should make it easier for me to release episodes more than once per year, haha. Thanks for all of that fantastic feedback, man! I love it when people leave good comments like this - it really makes all the work that goes into the show worth it!

[@ZM256.]

@@Tfor2show Since you were so kind as to provide your response in an organized, bullet point fashion I will answer to your responses in a similar manner. 1) Seeing Stagecoach when it was new must have impressed audiences when they first saw that gun flip. 2) I did realize that having the gun in front where the clutch and brake cables are wouldn’t be a great idea after I posted my comment. It would literally stick out in public and would draw attention to him which is not something the Terminator would want. As for the edit, I will always compliment whenever I see an edit of yours that I think deserves it. I appreciate the additional insight you have provided in regards to the edit that you even accounted for the highway lights moving by as well. 3) I just looked back at a clip of him arriving at the mall parking lot again and he does not have a rose box with him at that moment. Perhaps there was a floral shop within the mall. Maybe the biker had money either within his jacket or pants pockets so the Terminator could buy the flowers because if he stole it then they probably would have reported him to mall security or something like that and it would just draw attention to him in that situation. I have put too much time into thinking about these scenarios 😆 4) It's pretty cool that the isolated sound effects were provided as a DVD bonus feature. That’s one of the things as to why I still prefer physical media like DVDs and Blu-Rays since they include all this extra content, like behind the scenes footage, that would be missed out on if the movie was just viewed from streaming services. 5) That part with Arnold attempting to smile was so funny. I wonder how you will use that part in the future. I feel like Terminator Genisys took that one joke with the awkward smile and just decided to overdo it by making it sort of a running joke in that film. Terminator 2 managed to blend humor in a way that didn’t feel forced especially since it’s an action oriented film. The way Arnold played off everything seriously and straight faced as a robot made some of his scenes rather humorous. Some examples of this are when he keeps asking why to John’s responses like he was a kid, when John asks if he has a quarter for the payphone and he just breaks it so lots of quarters come out, and after John orders him not to kill anyone so when they meet a security guard at the front of the mental hospital he shoots their knees and just says “He’ll live”. 6) I commend the many hours it must have taken you to comb through all that footage just so you can get the instances where they flip the gun. All the information you provided along with the footage like the title, release date, production company, and posters made for a better and more informative presentation. I would look forward to seeing all the other instances of the flip-cock if you ever make that compilation. It just looks so satisfying to see whenever anyone does it. 7) I’m surprised that there’s not that many people who recognize Tourettes Guy, which is a shame because their videos are so funny. Knowing that I’m only one of two people who recognize his voice from these videos makes me feel kind of proud in a way and also flattered you're thinking of me whenever you add in his voice clips. It is like our own inside joke. By the way, I went back to rewatch that YTMND you made of Tourettes Guy just for the sake of it and I still think your edits were pretty good. 8) It’s good to know that you are aware of that alleged “Parasyte” inspiration. I mean James Cameron was even accused by Harlan Ellison of taking some plot points from Ellison’s “Soldier” episode they wrote for the show “The Outer Limits” for the beginning segment of The Terminator which resulted in a whole legal settlement. James Cameron has also shown he is into anime/manga since he created the TV show “Dark Angel” which was influenced from “Battle Angel Alita”. Cameron had wanted to do a movie on Alita for the longest time since the 2000s and finally a movie on it was released in 2019 where he ultimately ended up being one of the producers on it. I find it interesting you have a master document for future episode topics. I think that’s a good way to write down which topics you would like to discuss for the channel. I’m not sure you could make a dedicated video about "Parasyte" though since there really isn’t much to talk about in general. There's just some rumors and I think that’s pretty much it. Perhaps you could also show a side by side comparison of the characters from “Parasyte” with the T-1000. I suppose you can work it into another video as a side note in some way or just make a KZbin Short on it, I don't really know 🤷‍♂

[@ZM256.]

@@Tfor2show 9) It was fun trying to keep an eye out on the hidden frame. It was like a video game easter egg. If it’s alright to ask, what age do you think would be appropriate for her to watch this movie? If you don’t want to answer for privacy reasons then I will completely understand. I mean if you're going to preserve the hero twist of Arnold for this movie (which I think is a great idea for you to do) then that must mean you will also show her the first movie where he was the villain? I think the first movie with its violence and even nudity is not something you would be fine with showing her until she is much older. I mean for me my parents were pretty lax at letting me watch content that I shouldn’t have when I was a kid. On that note I still do find it amusing that Terminator 2 was marketed towards kids with action figures and other merchandising. The 90s sure were a different time. Unfortunately, I don’t remember the exact age I watched the first and second movies. I think I was around the age of 13. Going into them I was already somewhat aware of Arnold being the good guy for T2 from seeing images of the second film online. Pop culture seems to reference more from Arnold's iteration of the T2 Terminator and his rendition of the line “Come with me if you want to live”. Watching the first movie and hearing that the line was originally said by Kyle Reese was surprising and seeing Arnold as the killer instead was an interesting experience. I would love to see her reaction to that moment of the hero twist if you ever do film it, along with her reactions to the rest of the movie. I love seeing reaction videos of people watching this movie especially if they don’t know about that hero twist. As for episode pacing, I say shorter length but more frequent uploads would be just as fine. If you maintain the same high quality production that would be great as well. You know what they say, quality over quantity. It has taken a lot of time for me to write back as I had much to say. Thanks for responding. I appreciate that you always do so. Happy New Year! I hope you also had a joyous Christmas.

[@Tfor2show]

​@@ZM256. I like your numbering format, so I'm going to follow that for the points I have a response to... makes more sense for keeping things organized and easier to follow. 4) Agreed 100% about the benefits of physical media! If it's a film you really love, those bonus features are usually worth it. And streaming doesn't yet come close to the truly immersive experience of a good 4K setup with a high-quality physical disc, in my opinion. 5) Yeah, I definitely plan to make a lot of use of that "smile" scene in the future, haha. And I agree, the way they abused that concept in Genisys was terrible. The way my brother put it: they basically turned the Terminator into the "funny dog sidekick" character. 6) I'm glad you appreciate the time it took to find and clip out and assemble all those flip-cocks! That honestly was a HUGE part of the time it took for this episode.... even though it only accounted for about sixty seconds of the episode, haha. And yes, I'll definitely be making that compilation one of these days! I just have a few more flip-cocks that I know of from some other films and shows that I need to track down... 7) THIS IS THE SECOND TIME... I'VE BEEN FUCKED... BY DAIRY QUEEN! Regarding showing these films to my kid... I definitely plan to show her the original first, and then T2. As far as her age... it'll just depend on when she seems mature enough to handle it, AND old enough to truly grasp it. All I know is that I first saw T2 in second grade, so... I'm guessing maybe somewhere around there? But we'll see as she grows up. It's cool to hear about your experience with seeing T2 first, and then the original! I always love hearing stuff like that. Thanks as always for the terrific reply! I always enjoy reading these. Hope you had a wonderful holiday season!

[@merlinwilliams9286]

More interesting is magazine capacity. How many times does he shoot w/o a reload? BTW Tube mag holds 5 rounds. You can get 6 in the gun, but loading that 6th requires a cocking step and a 1 shell reload.

[@Tfor2show]

Thanks for the great comment! While making this episode, I was pleasantly surprised to see that he never shoots more than six rounds without reloading! James Cameron is a stickler for details. I originally did discuss the "hot loading" technique you described here, but the episode was getting to long, so I made the tough decision to trim that out to keep things from dragging on too much.

[@blafhoest]

I'm gonna go with 30 shots. Turns out there were fewer shots than that. Wasn't that far off, though. Good episode, worth the wait. And congratulations. That shotgun scene is so good. The minigun got outclassed by a shotgun when it comes to coolness factor. Can't flip-cock a minigun or make the reload look cool, all you can do is stand in the window and go _brrrrrrrr_ . Not cool enough to dedicate an entire Tfor2 episode to it. Funnily enough, I was thinking the same thing about the gun as I did about the tow truck. I thought it would be bigger. I mean, Arnold is a massive dude so I would've expected the gun to look bigger in your hands. It doesn't. 12:11 is way off topic but there's something that bugs me. If T-1000 is liquid metal, why does he let Uncle Bob smash him through walls instead of going into liquid mode and avoid or lessen the impact? And you know, he could go in any direction to grab Uncle Bob from behind or pull his legs from under him. I get T-1000 is metal and doesn't feel pain but still, he's liquid metal. He's Uncle Blob, not Colossus from the the X-Men. Also, I misread Gary Rydstrom as Gary Strydom. Wow! If you don't get it, nevermind.

[@Tfor2show]

Thank you for the kind words, man! I'm so glad you enjoyed this one. I totally agree on coolness factor. The minigun is quite a sight to behold, but the shotgun has so many more cool things going for it. I'll still do an episode on the minigun some day, and there will be some cool things to talk about, but I bet it'll end up being about 1/4 as long as this one was, because there's just not near as much meat on the bone. You're right about the size of the gun being smaller than it looks on screen. I kinda felt the same way when I first got mine. Especially the little sawed-off grip. And regarding your thoughts on the T-1000 getting thrown through wals - wow! I never thought of that, but you're right! If he went into defense mode by just sort of turning into a blob whenever the Terminator tried throwing him around, Uncle Bob would be screwed! I supposed it would be like some of the tricks he pulled during the steel mill fight, but worse. That's some cool stuff to think about!

[@blafhoest]

​@@Tfor2show I've had decades to think about the T-1000 thing and I could write a very long story about my working theories. I'll give you the shortest version I've come up with, though. The T-1000 chose not to liquefy in that situation. You're welcome! Realistically speaking, I would assume it would've been quite costly and time consuming to add more T-1000 special effects to the movie. To be honest, the movie doesn't need it. It gives us enough to show that the T-1000 is a dangerous and powerful opponent while still leaving a lot open to the imagination. I have some time to spare so let me share another fairly realistic theory. I'm not a Terminator buff in that I know where everything happens on the timeline, down to production dates of different models. My starting point is that the T-1000 from the movie is a relatively new model, say, first or second generation. A nanomorph mimetic poly-alloy Terminator is a complicated thing. The T-1000 doesn't have traditional components like a power cell or central processing unit. Each nanite must have its own power cell and programmed to form their own neural net. Early models are going to have limitations and problems that get ironed out with each generation. Also, I would imagine every T-1000 is a bit slow shortly after activation. After all, the AI needs experience to learn and improve its performance. It has already been established Skynet can send Terminators back in time and since there are no cities filled with people to mimic in their timeline, the past provides a perfect sandbox to test and evaluate the T-1000. And wouldn't you know it, it just so happens a rogue T-800 is walking around in the past, providing a worthy opponent in terms of power and strength for a proper field test. This T-1000 failing to stop the Connors wouldn't be a huge issue as they can eventually send another back in time. Perhaps this T-1000 isn't even the first Skynet sent back. Previous T-1000s may have been destroyed during time travel. Or they were damaged during time travel and suffered critical malfunctions and deactivated before locating their target. When T-1000 is shot with the shotgun, it is slow to restore its form. This could be due to the nanites needing time to assess the damage and initiate repairs. Not to mention that it must cost a lot of energy to maintain its current shape, let alone transform or reform while on the move. Millions if not billions of nanites moving around while still remaining linked and keeping the neural net intact, that's a lot of moving parts. It can't predict, assess, liquefy and reform fast enough in that situation. Not yet. This also explains why T-1000 is slowed down considerably when it passes through the security gates at Pescadero because it can't liquefy and reform in an instant. Or why it doesn't immediately reabsorb the part it lost at 25:58 as it cannot cling onto the car, dodge the shots _and_ reabsorb the missing part. It has to prioritise one over the other. Oh and the AI learning I mentioned before also fits the rest of the film. If I recall correctly, T-1000 starts off slow with his abilities, simple actions that slowly get more complicated. Towards the end it uses its abilities more often and in quicker succession, at some point even letting a pipe pass through its body during a fight. This suggests that it has already begun improving its performance. I love thinking about these things.

[@warpartyattheoutpost4987]

... alright, pausing to try to remember how many times this boomstick boomed is making everyone almost as impatient as waiting to see your next video... The answer is 42. It's always 42.

[@Tfor2show]

Forty-two, pew-pew-pew!! 💥💥💥

[@warpartyattheoutpost4987]

@@Tfor2show... speaking of 42, Thursday is Towel Day.

[@Tfor2show]

@@warpartyattheoutpost4987 Just had to Google that. 😄 I've always wanted to read that book! I'll have to move it up on my to-read list.

[@TheArtalex]

I say 7 Times!

[@Tfor2show]

Ah, a more conservative guess! Very nice.

[@liamnevilleviolist1809]

6:25 when I saw you pull the trigger I was hoping "don't accidentally fire, hopefully you've gone through multiple safety checks!" Then I realised, maybe it's just a prop rifle. I might've missed something - is it a replica (and so not a working Winchester)?

[@Tfor2show]

It's actually an airsoft replica! Whenever it goes off, I use sound effects and visual effects to sell the illusion. 😊

[@liamnevilleviolist1809]

@@Tfor2show Thanks for letting me know, because, I thought it looked in GREAT condition for such a genuine/actual-firing shotgun! So the airsoft company sells it as specifically a "Terminator 2 Winchester" replica? Your editing is great, no need to ever worry about that part! I enjoy your content :)

[@Tfor2show]

@@liamnevilleviolist1809 Thanks so much for the kind words, man! I really appreciate that. Comments like this are honestly what helps keep me going on this show, so thank you. Regarding the shotgun - it's been a while since I bought it, but from what I can recall, yeah, it's actually branded as a Terminator 2 1887 airsoft gun. I can't remember if they actually used the Winchester name on the box, but I'm pretty sure they use the Terminator 2 name on The box. Again, it's been awhile since I got it. They were only made and sold in Japan as far as I'm aware. Sorry for the hazy answer; I'm not a big expert on airsoft rifles. I only bought it for this episode of the show, and for having fun another episodes, haha. I also got an airsoft M79 grenade launcher for when we do the episode on that weapon some day. 😄

[@Ashismohapatra278]

Winchester Model 1887 AKA Rose Box Gun

[@Tfor2show]

Yes sir! The one and only.

[@ernielight]

Woah! Then in Terminator Genisys, what’s Sarah Conner listening to on her boom box? I Wanna be Sedated! I’m sure that was done on purpose! I would’ve never known the song was in the original script if you didn’t point that out.

[@Tfor2show]

Oh wow, really? I honestly don't even remember that! I only saw that movie once. I'll have to check that out again! I'd be surprised if that wasn't a nod to the original script. Nice catch! Thanks for pointing that out!

[@ernielight]

@@Tfor2show yes! She’s listening to the song in the scene right before John Conner finds their secret hiding spot outside of the Golden Gate Bridge. We just helped each other!

[@Tfor2show]

Very interesting! I'd love to know if that was just a coincidence, or if the person who suggested that was intentionally referencing the T2 script. Wonder if we'll ever find out. If you ever find out, let me know!

[@ernielight]

@@Tfor2show when you see the scene and hear the song…which actually happens TWICE in Genisys, you’ll appreciate the fact that they chose that song for a reason. I just wish they kept fans in the loop. But it IS fun to find it out amongst ourselves

[@michaelmay5453]

From that distance in such a material buckshot would also just leave a single hole, it takes distance for it to scatter. Even on a very short barrel sawed off dual barrel 8 gauge that would be the result (I know this from experience).

[@Tfor2show]

Oh yeah, that's a very fair point! I hadn't thought of that. Thank you! Though now that I think about it, I'm still pretty confident he's using slugs, because when he's firing at the Freightliner down in the flood canal during that chase scene, there are single holes blown into the side of the cab from the shotgun blasts. Surely from that distance they would have a little scatter to them, right?

[@michaelmay5453]

@@Tfor2show You're right, there would have been several holes on sheet metal had it been buckshot. I absolutely agree with you on that and on sheet metal it could be just a few feet away and it would still make multiple holes because that material doesn't shape a wound channel and the penetration of each pellet would be obvious. Only a sabot round would do that kind of damage to sheet metal.

[@Tfor2show]

@@michaelmay5453 Oh okay, that makes sense! Very interesting stuff! Thanks, man.

[@michaelmay5453]

@@Tfor2show You are most welcome. You were right on this and I hadn't considered the other shots so thank you for bringing that up. :)

[@derekferreira4200]

I would say 46 times that gun was shot off

[@Tfor2show]

Good guess, my man! 💥BLAM! 💥BLAM! 💥BLAM!

[@brandolfor]

My wife and I watch this show together now 😁😁 date night!

[@Tfor2show]

Ha, that's awesome! 😄 I'm so glad to hear that. New show slogan: Tfor2: The Show That Brings Couples Together! 😆

[@Loganeinsmann1993]

They were playing Guns N Roses in the movie jackass

[@Tfor2show]

What an insightful and well-worded argument. You sure showed me! Case closed.

[@BalgaBear]

My 7 year old son didn't think it was very cool when I did it. That makes me sad that so many things I got to experience that were AWESOME and COOL are just simply boring to young people today...

[@bengaffergutteridge4545]

I think 17 times

[@Tfor2show]

Not bad! 💥 BLAM! 💥BLAM! 💥BLAM!

[@seb2223]

I just want to note the 1887 is a little more finicky on the reloading just because you have to manually push the lifter down which sometimes wants to lift up while you are reloading. you can also do a double shell reload by loading 2 rounds at once which will have one round rest on the lifter and one rest on top of the other. If you orient the gun right it should load the top round making a quick reload. The one he uses in this video looks like an airsoft production which has a slightly different design.

[@Tfor2show]

Ah, yes indeed! Mine is an airsoft version. You have a good eye! I was waiting for someone to catch that! 😆 I had originally scripted a section talking about the "hot loading" technique you're describing, but the runtime was just getting way too long (my original goal for this show was to have episodes run 5-8 minutes max!), so I decided to trim a few things. Thanks for the terrific comment!

[@seb2223]

@@Tfor2show thank you. The 1887 is my favorite shotgun, I love mine to death and I appreciate the brief history section you gave cause I find many people still don't know about this gun's existence. It's one of the more forgotten shotguns that did have somewhat of an impact.

[@Tfor2show]

@@seb2223 Oh wow, to hear from someone who actually owns one is really cool! I'm so glad you enjoyed this. Thanks for the kind words, man! So does yours have any modifications like the one in T2, or is it still all intact?

[@seb2223]

@@Tfor2show yeah I actually went through the process to modify mine with a grip that I had to handshape and refinish along with getting a custom loop actually made for it. I did try to find a manufacturer that makes a rose box that looks almost identical to the one in T2, but I had a hard time finding that so I ended up converting a old violin case I found into a case for it

[@Tfor2show]

@@seb2223 Oh wow, that sounds fantastic! Would you be comfortable sharing photos of your shotgun and custom case? If so, I'd love to see it! You can email them to [e-mail] if you want to.

[@merlinwilliams9286]

He doesn’t need to have a hand free to steer, he had to hold the throttle twisted or the bike would stop. He could steer with either hand.

[@Tfor2show]

Exactly. 🙂 That was my point - he has to steer the bike with one hand at all times, so he has to cycle rounds single-handedly via flip-cocking.

[@merlinwilliams9286]

Nope, you are still missing it. If he used his left to steer and right for the gun, the bike would stop. In order to control the bike, he HAD to use the right hand for steering AND the throttle. He could only use the left for the gun. Which still leaves you in a bind, because you need the left hand on the clutch to shift gears. And he shoves the gun on the right side of the bike to "holster" it, but the right hand needs to twist the throttle. If he takes the right hand off the grip/throttle to grab the gun, it won't just coast, it will slow down immediately and drastically and he would need to immediately transfer the gun to his left hand. He'd have been better off with the cross handle bar idea or putting it down the back of his jacket.

[@Tfor2show]

@@merlinwilliams9286 All great points! Thanks for the great comment. My main point in the video was really simply that the flip-cock technique wasn't used merely to show off or look cool for the movie; it was because he didn't have two free hands to cycle rounds, so he had to cycle rounds single-handedly via the flip-cock.

[@tonycheeseburger6492]

Ok idk if it was a gag or not but if you were being serious, I need to know where you heard the info about the Kurt Cobain segment of the episode. Cause I’m pretty sure that is not right. Even the weapon that he used in the accident wasn’t even a model 1887.

[@Tfor2show]

That's just what I heard. 🤷‍♂️ Just kidding. It was just a bad joke I threw in there.